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Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Eron Mullan Show. Whereever you are around the world.

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Speaker 1: It is wonderful as always to have your company. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for choosing to spend some of your

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Speaker 1: very valuable moments here with us.

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Speaker 2: We are very.

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Speaker 1: Grateful, looking forward to a big show. It is a

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Speaker 1: big show. We're covering two big issues.

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Speaker 2: Terrorism.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a problem that is global, it's ever present,

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Speaker 1: and it seems to be getting significantly worse.

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Speaker 2: In some ways.

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Speaker 1: I've got a guy called David craig On who knows

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Speaker 1: this space as well as anyone. Off the back of

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Speaker 1: the Bondai massacre, huge Australia's worst terrorism attack ever, he says,

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Speaker 1: this will happen again, Not this could happen again, Not

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Speaker 1: this might happen again, This will happen again, terrifying. He

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Speaker 1: talked about the failings at government, the failings of the leader.

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Speaker 1: And he's not a political commentator. He doesn't lean one

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Speaker 1: way or the other. He's just giving his absolute, honest

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Speaker 1: opinion as someone who has worked with multiple Prime ministers

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Speaker 1: in this space. He's scathing when it comes to Anthony

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Speaker 1: Albinezi He also explains why a raw commission is needed

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Speaker 1: and for those who may not be from Australia, our

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Speaker 1: global audience, this will help you understand why this matters

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Speaker 1: so much more than just a token investigation that has

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Speaker 1: been announced.

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Speaker 2: This will get to the core of the issue.

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Speaker 1: So really interesting chat with him, Slightly unsettling.

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Speaker 2: But must listen, must watch.

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Speaker 1: I've then got Andrew feelin on our China expert, and

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Speaker 1: he is phenomenal in this space. I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to him about reaction in the wake of Venezuela and

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Speaker 1: what has occurred there, not just when it comes to oil,

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Speaker 1: but China generally.

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Speaker 2: How Jijiping would view this.

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Speaker 1: This is embarrassing for him. That's not to be contested.

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Speaker 1: This was humiliating for Jijingping and his little axis of

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Speaker 1: evil buddies. He's not someone who can protect you from

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Speaker 1: America and that is now very very obvious. What does

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Speaker 1: this mean for his desire to take back Taiwan. There

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Speaker 1: are so many things that play here that need to

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Speaker 1: I also side notes, spent last night watching his New

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Speaker 1: Year's speech. This is Jijingping's I kept having to go back.

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Speaker 1: It was only about ten minutes, obviously in Chinese, but

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Speaker 1: had various English translations. If you weren't already worried about

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Speaker 1: the threat that China poses to the rest of the world.

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Speaker 2: You should be.

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Speaker 1: I was very, very a pre existing warrior in this space,

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Speaker 1: as you all know. I talk about it fairly often.

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Speaker 1: I'm tenfold that now having watched this ten minute speech.

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Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about it with Andrew, but

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Speaker 1: lines with in the reunification is unstoppable. He's not even

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Speaker 1: being subtle with what he wants. He talks about the

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Speaker 1: rallying of the troops, of the army, of the people.

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Speaker 1: They're building towards something big. And in the wake of

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Speaker 1: what's just occurred in Venezuela, when we look at what

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Speaker 1: some other countries who who might have all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden not feel as secure as they once did. Does

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Speaker 1: he suddenly go wait, Do I go quicker? If the

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Speaker 1: now kind of all in on just ensuring that space

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Speaker 1: is free from this kind of wishing US harm influence,

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Speaker 1: does that mean that Jijingping and co get free reign.

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Speaker 1: On the other side, there are so many things to

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Speaker 1: get through before we do very quickly. Meghan Kelly's response

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Speaker 1: to the Maduro taking and his wife, of course, now

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Speaker 2: Shock me.

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Speaker 1: I could have written that script for you two months ago.

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Speaker 1: There is nothing that surprises me about her reaction. She

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Speaker 1: has a real dig at Fox News. She says they're cheerleading.

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Speaker 1: She says when she was at Fox, she would have

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Speaker 1: cheerleaded too. I mean that, for starters, is pretty telling

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Speaker 1: to be honest, even when you're at a major network,

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Speaker 2: Credibility at all.

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Speaker 1: But that aside, she has a real go at Fox

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Speaker 1: News for cheerleading.

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Speaker 2: What occurred.

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Speaker 1: If something horrific had occurred and they all went, this

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Speaker 1: that's valid criticism.

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Speaker 2: What occurred was phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: It was like a miracle. It's like a Hollywood blockbuster.

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Speaker 1: What is there not to cheer You want them to

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Speaker 2: Why they got the bad guy a bad guy. They

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Speaker 2: had a warrant for a bad guy who's responsible for

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Speaker 2: the deaths and suffering of millions of people.

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Speaker 1: And they didn't lose a life, not one American life lost.

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Speaker 2: That is worthy of bloody cheerleading.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the downside here, and it ain't

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Speaker 1: a rack. Those comparisons are silly. Yes, we must heed

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Speaker 1: and learn the lessons of the past, but this is

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Speaker 1: entirely different. And because America has learned lessons from the past,

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Speaker 1: that's why this is entirely different. This is done in

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Speaker 1: a different way. So sorry, I get the cheerleading because

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Speaker 1: it's bloody awesome. What the Americans did to Maduro is

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Speaker 1: bloody awesome. And not just for Americans, mind you, not

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Speaker 1: just for Venezuelans, ninety nine point nine percent of whom

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Speaker 1: are ecstatic over the moon, celebrating, cheering, just like those

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Speaker 1: on Fox News, Meghan. But for the rest of the world,

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Speaker 1: nobody wins when this scumbag is in place or in power. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I lie, you know who wins Megan. When he's in

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Speaker 1: a position of power, and I'm talking about Maduro, Jijingping

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Speaker 1: of China, Putin in Russia, the Iranian Islamic regime, they win.

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Speaker 1: All the countries in North Korea, all the countries who

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Speaker 1: wish to do us harm win when.

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Speaker 2: He's in power.

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Speaker 1: So celebrate away. Fox News Channel willgi Woogi Woogi, because

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Speaker 1: it is worth celebrating. And she got some idiotic guest

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Speaker 1: on who said, what did he say? Let me read

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Speaker 2: Probably play it for you. We are a we're a

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Speaker 2: TV show. Play it. Let me just tell you something.

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Speaker 3: When I was at Fox News, which was a long time,

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Speaker 3: fourteen years, I would have known exactly what to do

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Speaker 3: in the wake of Trump's attack in Venezuela, his retrieval,

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Speaker 3: shall we say, to put it in mild terms of

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Speaker 3: Nicholas madurol I would have known that I was supposed

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Speaker 3: to cheerlead it.

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Speaker 2: And I turned on Fox.

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Speaker 3: News yesterday and I'm sorry, but it was like watching

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Speaker 2: There was nothing skeptical.

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Speaker 3: It was all raw ra cheerleading.

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's go, and that's fine.

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Speaker 3: I love our military as much as anyone, and I

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Speaker 3: believe in President Trump, but there are serious reasons to

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Speaker 3: just exercise a note of caution before we just get

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Speaker 3: on the raw raw train.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: I have done that enough times in my career as

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Speaker 3: know I'm going to stay on the yellow light for this.

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Speaker 2: I'm not in the green light territory.

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Speaker 3: I'm not in the red light territory either, but I

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Speaker 4: The reason why I object to this is, first of all,

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Speaker 4: I don't think we have the right to regime change

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Speaker 4: foreign countries. We don't accept foreign countries interfering in the

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Speaker 4: our national law, you know, states being equal, states having rights,

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Speaker 4: we know the right to go and overthrow a foreign

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Speaker 4: in particular, it's obvious why we've been doing it. I mean, Trump's,

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Speaker 4: to his credit, has been very clear about this. It's

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Speaker 4: going to take their oil under the so called Donroe doctrine.

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Speaker 4: And I don't grant any state the right to do that.

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Speaker 2: So old, mate, Aaron, this fraud.

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Speaker 1: We don't have the right to go and overthrow a

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Speaker 1: I don't disagree every word you said there is correct.

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Speaker 1: On the issue is they weren't a foreign government. He's

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Speaker 1: an impostor. He's illegally there. He wasn't elected or put

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Speaker 1: because they just don't really like him. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: I just don't get a good feeling, you know.

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Speaker 1: I just I find him hard work. I don't like

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Speaker 1: his clothes or he's tasting music, so pulling. No, he

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Speaker 1: is responsible for the deaths of Americans and will be

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Speaker 1: responsible for plenty more if not removed, let alone the

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Speaker 1: going to be shamed for celebrating something that is amazing.

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Speaker 1: And the oil thing, oh the oil. They just want

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Speaker 1: the oil. They're just I don't care take it, America.

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Speaker 5: You know what.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather you have that oil than Jijingping, or than

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Speaker 1: the Ayatollah in Iran or Putin. Sorry, go for gold

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Speaker 2: I don't care you have it, so they don't.

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Speaker 1: And on that note, I'd now like to introduce my guest,

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Speaker 1: Andrew Felin, who is going to talk, probably in a

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Speaker 1: more intellectually stimulating way about the impact on China. Andrew Felin,

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Speaker 1: so great to have you back on again. My audience

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Speaker 1: absolutely loved you last time, so thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: for a take two.

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Speaker 5: It's great to be back with your own Happy New Year.

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year to you too.

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Speaker 1: What a weekend I mean, Maduro, I say completely out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere, but I think we're starting to learn that

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Speaker 1: when Trump says something, he means it. What I want

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Speaker 1: to know from you is what does what happened over

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Speaker 1: the weekend with Venezuela mean for a country like China.

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Speaker 1: What's the bigger picture here in terms of oil impact, economy, terror,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a lot going on, and this has been

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Speaker 6: building up for quite some time. And most interestingly, Chijinping's

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Speaker 6: the timing is incredible and it's a huge loss of

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Speaker 5: He would be absolutely enrage, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 6: But this has been building up, as I mentioned, for

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Speaker 6: quite some time, no doubt, the US has been preparing

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Speaker 6: this operation clandestinely for quite some time, and by all accounts,

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Speaker 6: it's been executed flawlessly. Venezuela is essentially a failed state.

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Speaker 6: Seven or eight million people have left the country. In

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Speaker 6: that regard, it's not dissimilar to what we've seen in

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Speaker 6: I would say is similar is this sort of friendship

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Speaker 6: between Beijing and these authoritarian, sort of narco states with

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Speaker 6: horrendous human rights records. You know, interestingly, Bashar al Assad

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Speaker 6: was fated in Beijing with the red carpet treatment, and

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Speaker 6: since the collapse of that regime, we've seen the conditions,

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Speaker 6: factories making Captagon, which are basically meth pills. It's not

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Speaker 6: dissimilar to what we're seeing now in Venezuela in those respects. Furthermore,

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Speaker 6: I would say the US nationals a bunch of things

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Speaker 1: People's lives are at stake, that we're fighting evil essentially.

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Speaker 2: It is China. As you know, good and well. Talk

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: The other aspect is that if China made continuous in roads,

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Speaker 5: They don't pict to.

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Speaker 6: Have worked terribly well in this, but you know, there's

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Speaker 1: They tell me about both, because I haven't been on

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Speaker 6: Every time they do a major exercise around Taiwan, it's

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Speaker 5: I'm struggling.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my neighbors and next doorer from Tehran, a lovely couple.

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Speaker 5: We're good friends.

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Speaker 6: And you know, Emoji informs me that the rial has

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Speaker 6: It's not going to be too cool to go out

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Speaker 6: You know, Beijing express outrage and shock about what happened

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Speaker 2: Of it, I mean shock me, same as putin.

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Speaker 6: Exactly interfering, you know, in the sovereign countries. It's course

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Speaker 1: Every second of every minute of every hour of every day,

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's no way that eton would have been

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Speaker 5: They're interfering all over the world.

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Speaker 1: They don't even I mean, it's ludicrous to even think

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Speaker 6: The funny thing is it's it's there for everybody to

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Speaker 6: You know, it's like a patient going into an emergency

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Speaker 1: and what the thread is. Otherwise you're going to struggle

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Speaker 1: to convince him that we need to increase, you know,

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Speaker 1: spending on defense and that you know, people need to

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Speaker 1: be somewhat aware because at the moment, I feel like

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Speaker 1: Australia is fat, dumb and happy.

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Speaker 2: We watch things on the news that make.

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Speaker 6: Us maps on Sunday night. I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 6: mean this is why I'm a fan of Elbridge Colby,

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Speaker 6: because he says, look, you know, call me naive, but

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Speaker 6: I believe people respond to truth and fat and so on,

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Speaker 6: and I'm the same.

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Speaker 2: He's a China hawk. Well no, he's just telling us

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Speaker 2: the truth about the Chinese.

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Speaker 5: Your own country sovereignty.

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Speaker 6: I mean, one of the things she Jinpink talked about

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Speaker 6: in his New Year's Eve address was China's national power

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Speaker 6: and the only Western leader that's talking about national powers.

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Speaker 5: Is Donald J.

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Speaker 1: Trump, Absolutely, and so they don't hide it. It's the

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Speaker 1: same as a Wilsom brotherhood. They put in writing their

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Speaker 1: plan to go within, infiltrate within education, colleges, schools, social media, online,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing and destroy from within, and Western nations

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Speaker 1: are only now.

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Speaker 2: Going Yeah they might. Maybe we should not welcome them

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Speaker 2: all in.

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Speaker 6: There are politicians on both sides, and I had a

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Speaker 6: meeting with one very recently who's quite aware of these

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Speaker 6: things but doesn't.

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Speaker 5: Want to talk about them. That's off of it.

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Speaker 6: And I'm bipartisan on this, you know. I had a

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Speaker 6: great discussion with the Senator Rafkatoni, the Labor Senator. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: who's a great guy. So I want to get the

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Speaker 6: word out because it's in the national interest.

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Speaker 2: And if you.

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Speaker 6: Compare the current situation to Australia pre World War Two,

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think most people in Australia have never

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Speaker 6: heard of Essington Lewis, who every school kid in Australia

476
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Speaker 6: should have because the guy orchestrated this industrial renaissance out

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Speaker 6: of nothing. We went from not having an aircraft industry

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Speaker 6: to making multiple different aircraft models within the space a

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Speaker 6: short period of time we had factories making munitions and

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Speaker 6: rifles and all these things.

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Speaker 2: But that might make them like our country and feel

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Speaker 2: pride rather than think we're racist and hate ourselves.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's outrageous, and you're quite right about calling out

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Speaker 6: Islamism extreme Islam.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: I remember when I moved from Hong Kong to the

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Speaker 6: UK ninety seven, Tony Blair had just been elected, just

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Speaker 6: defeated John Major, and I remember hearing all this stuff

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Speaker 6: that emams from these mosques. Bearing in mind this is

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Speaker 6: four years before nine to eleven, and I couldn't believe

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Speaker 6: what they were saying. I couldn't believe it was tolerated.

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Speaker 6: This is way back then, and since October seven, twenty three,

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Speaker 6: the kind of stuff that people have been saying here.

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Speaker 6: You know, how can that be tolerated and why is

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Speaker 6: this called out?

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Speaker 1: Well, in most Arab nations it's not tolerated. You can't

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Speaker 1: even hold up a terrorist flag ahmas flag half the

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Speaker 1: places in the Middle East. Indonesia under Widodo did the

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Speaker 1: most phenomenal job in eradicating Islamic extremism. They're the world's

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Speaker 1: largest Islamic nation. They don't think it's racist or Islamophobic

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Speaker 1: to tackle a huge issue that they know hurts them

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Speaker 1: more than anyone else.

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Speaker 6: Founding concept in there called panchasilla, which is about respecting

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Speaker 6: the established religion. Christianity is one of them, you know

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Speaker 6: very well because your dad's background, and I spent a

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Speaker 6: lot of time in Indonesia and I've been made very

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Speaker 6: welcome in mosques and.

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Speaker 5: So on in Indonesia.

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Speaker 6: The other example I would use, which we ought to

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Speaker 6: be following, is Singapore for a couple of reasons, and

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Speaker 6: I've never heard Singapore mentioned in any of this discourse

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Speaker 6: in Australia, but to me, they're the gold stand it

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Speaker 6: because they have a significant Muslim population. I think the

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Speaker 6: new Prime Minister, Lawrence Wong has been doing an outstanding

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Speaker 6: job at dealing with this.

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Speaker 5: And there's a traditional Singapore.

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Speaker 6: Singapore understands this all too well because they understand the

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Speaker 6: consequences and the damage of you know, ethnic and religious

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Speaker 6: sectarianism and the strife that it can bring, so they

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Speaker 6: don't tolerate it. In I think it was about twenty

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Speaker 6: sixteen seventeen, there was a Nimam from India who had

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Speaker 6: to go at Christians and Jews in his sermon he

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Speaker 6: was charged, he was he had to apologize publicly, he

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Speaker 6: had to pay fine, and he was deported.

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Speaker 5: And since then, yeah.

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Speaker 6: There was another example in Bangladesh who did the same

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Speaker 6: and they don't tolerate it.

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Speaker 2: Your tolerance.

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Speaker 1: But it's the same, as I said, Egypt, where the

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Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood started. Not a country that's particularly sympathetic to

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Speaker 1: the Jews, I give you the not. Their president's not

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Speaker 1: a big fan of you know, they still.

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Speaker 2: Have beanned the Muslim Brotherhood.

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Speaker 1: Why do we in the West think that we know

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Speaker 1: better than the countries that are at the cold face

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Speaker 1: of this issue.

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Speaker 2: It's insanity, like so much that.

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Speaker 6: This is just just to if I could segue for

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Speaker 6: a second on a similar theme, eron you know, I

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Speaker 6: recently had the good fortune of spending eight days in

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Speaker 6: Sydney in the New South Wales central coast.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: I went up there to do a big ocean swim,

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Speaker 6: the Bronte to Bondi swim, which is about a two

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Speaker 6: and a half k open water swim. Conditions were perfect

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Speaker 6: the two days before the swim. On the swim, they

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Speaker 6: were atrocious. Swim that I stayed with an old friend

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Speaker 6: of mine in his family, a Jewish family for a

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Speaker 6: couple of days in Bronze, and you know, was privileged

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Speaker 6: enough to have Shabbat dinner with them and their son

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Speaker 6: read the prayer pre dinner in Hebrew.

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Speaker 5: I wore a kipper, you know.

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Speaker 6: And the next day I was training at Bondi, swimming

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Speaker 6: up and down, and my friend's son was on a

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Speaker 6: paddle board, was with the Bondai nippers for our overseas audience,

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Speaker 6: that is, young kids that train.

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Speaker 5: To be life savers.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 6: So I stopped mid Bondi and sort of egged young

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Speaker 6: Jake go on, you know, go Jake. And the following

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Speaker 6: day he qualified for his next level in learning to

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Speaker 6: be a lifesaver to preserve and save lives at an

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Speaker 6: iconic Sydney kind of Australian location. For those of you overseas,

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Speaker 6: the beach is an integral part of Australian culture and

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Speaker 6: it certainly is for me as a surfer and open

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Speaker 6: water swimmer and so on. And so you know, I

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Speaker 6: flew back to Melbourne the morning of the massacre and

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Speaker 6: I was having dinner with a friend when the news.

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Speaker 5: Broke and I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

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Speaker 6: But fast forward the response from the federal government has

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Speaker 6: been woeful and lamentable, and I'm not super comfortable with

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Speaker 6: the idea of this inquiry being led by Dennis Richardson either.

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Speaker 6: I think his form on China has been underwhelming. His

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Speaker 6: attitude on the Port of Darwin deal has been we

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Speaker 6: can nationalize at any time, you know, and so on.

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Speaker 6: And I was in Darwin not that long ago, and

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Speaker 6: was down at the Port of Darwin. And China has

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Speaker 6: a history of moving when the timing is right, so

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Speaker 6: it might sit on an asset for a while, and

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Speaker 6: the real estate deal at the Royal Minton in London

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Speaker 6: is an example of that, and then.

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Speaker 5: It moves when it when it's when when the when they.

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Speaker 2: Have favorable aren't the Chinese exactly right?

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Speaker 6: But then the other thing I learned recently about Dennis

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Speaker 6: Richardson was he was on the bord of the Canberra

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Speaker 6: Raiders rugby league team, and in that time he orchestrated

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Speaker 6: the sponsorship of the Raiders.

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Speaker 5: By Huawei and Huiwei.

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Speaker 6: Huawei is the digital cornerstone of China's Belton Road. It's

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Speaker 6: the communications on the stone of their global plan. So

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Speaker 6: I'm uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: I know this, this is so random that you just

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 2: And I haven't thought about this in such a long time.

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Speaker 2: But I'm a Raiders fan, and obviously I was the

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Speaker 2: first woman to host, you know, the footy show and

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Speaker 2: to do a whole heap of different things. I was

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Speaker 2: in sport for fifteen years and I was.

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Speaker 1: Asked to join the Raiders board, which the network I

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Speaker 1: was working for at the time wouldn't let me. I

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Speaker 1: was then asked to be an ambassador for Huawei through

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. But then it got to the stage where

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Speaker 1: we just started to went once I looked into it

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Speaker 1: a little bit and I was, you know, got ten

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Speaker 1: years younger and certainly didn't have the type of knowledge

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Speaker 1: I have in this space now. But there was already

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Speaker 1: kind of things that were uncomfortable and I looked at

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Speaker 1: it all and it was a very I mean, it

609
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Speaker 1: was a hefty financial deal that at that time in

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Speaker 1: my life would have helped immensely.

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Speaker 2: But I ended up saying, it's just it's just not

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Speaker 2: worth it.

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Speaker 1: It's too risky, it's too high risk, you know, So

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Speaker 1: thank you for reminding me that. But I was then

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Speaker 1: part of that whole that was because of the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: so they wanted me to be a face of it

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Speaker 1: as well as a cammeber Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Right, so they go.

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Speaker 1: But that was Dennis right of course it was Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: that is so interesting, so interesting. Thank you as always

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Speaker 1: for shedding light. But before I let you go, how

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Speaker 1: does it play out from here? Do you think does

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Speaker 1: China does Jijingping need to do something? I mean, everyone

624
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Speaker 1: in the world is just looking at Donald Trump and

625
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: going he is the man, Like does that annoy Jijing Ping?

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Speaker 2: Does that you know?

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Speaker 1: Or does he not care about that kind of the

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Speaker 1: egotistical side of it? Does he think, now do I

629
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Speaker 1: need to do something that hits back a little bit?

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Speaker 2: Like what's his next play?

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Speaker 6: It's a massive loss of face for Hijinping in China.

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Speaker 6: And you know, the extraction of Maduro is the number

633
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Speaker 6: one trending item on weiboor, which is the Chinese version

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Speaker 6: of Twitter.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of discussion.

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Speaker 6: There's been some discussion under the table about gee I

637
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Speaker 6: wish they could come and distract. Who's nickname among the

638
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 6: chattering restless classes in China and there's a lot of them,

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Speaker 6: is actually Hijin Pig I didn't say that.

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Speaker 5: They said that, jeevus.

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Speaker 1: Some of the memes in this space, even the ones

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Speaker 1: put out by the White House himself, I actually.

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Speaker 6: Can't, right, But China can't match US military power in

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Speaker 6: its own hemisphere. The Taiwan strakes a different ballgame because

645
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 6: it's it's you know, it's China's, China's backyard. So there's

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Speaker 6: a question, and the clock is ticking now because of

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Speaker 6: this new military aid package. Getting that in place, getting

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Speaker 6: people trained, getting it operational is going to take time.

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Speaker 6: So the question is does this mean that Chijinping is

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Speaker 6: more likely to move on Taiwan in that, you know,

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Speaker 6: maybe earlier than we anticipated.

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Speaker 1: We've had predictions, haven't we as early as next year

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Speaker 1: by some people. The point you make about losing face,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just thinking this throughout laud now is really valid,

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Speaker 1: like every point you make. But if Jijingping was as

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Speaker 1: powerful as he probably thought he was, and as intimidating,

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Speaker 1: and you know, had as much clout, the US wouldn't

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Speaker 1: risk kind of interfering in things that he values, or

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Speaker 1: relationships he values, or countries that he needs or is using.

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Speaker 2: He would see this.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't he very significantly as that's a real smack in

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Speaker 1: the face to me, and a real you know, you

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Speaker 1: don't intimidate us, you don't scare us. You're not big

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Speaker 1: and important enough for us to have thought, oh we

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Speaker 1: bet not. It might piss off Sheijing pink.

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Speaker 2: That's really not thought.

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Speaker 6: He's thinking the US is back in a big way.

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Speaker 5: And they're up for the Biden.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, can you imagine if Kamala Harrison one,

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Speaker 6: where we'd be would have been game over for the

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Speaker 6: free will imagine?

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Speaker 2: Horrific?

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Speaker 1: Andrew Fhillin, thank you so so much, as always, you're brilliant,

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it and.

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Speaker 5: Great thanks Siya.

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Speaker 1: Fascinating, isn't it? And so much more to happen as days, weeks,

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Speaker 1: months go by.

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Speaker 2: Of course, we'll keep you all across it here.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to turn not just to Australia though

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Speaker 1: my guest is from Australia and we're talking about in

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Speaker 1: the wake of what happened in Bondai, but this issue

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Speaker 1: of governments failing their people when it comes to tackling terrorism,

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Speaker 1: it's universal in so many countries.

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Speaker 2: You look at the UK, you look at Europe.

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Speaker 1: This is a chilling conversation, but again, we cannot confront

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Speaker 1: an evil we refuse to understand. Get your heads out

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Speaker 1: of the sand, understand the threat, understand the risk, so

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Speaker 1: you can then be part of the masses pushing for

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Speaker 1: it to be fixed.

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Speaker 2: Doctor David Craig, thank you so.

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Speaker 1: Very much for joining me here on the Aaron Mullin Show,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for your service not just to the

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Speaker 1: country of Australia, but more broadly to the world. And

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Speaker 1: that's not an exaggeration. When you work in counter terrorism,

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Speaker 1: you are serving the world.

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Speaker 7: Thanks Aaron.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of people doing the same thing. I'm

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Speaker 8: fortunate to be one of them.

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Speaker 1: You said in the wake of the Bondi mass shooting,

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Speaker 1: which was a there's worse terrorist attack in history. This

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Speaker 1: will happen again, and that gives me chills.

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Speaker 2: Now I know why. Why do you say it will

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Speaker 2: happen again.

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Speaker 8: I am confident that this will happen again on Australian

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Speaker 8: soil because of the inaction of government that we are

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Speaker 8: not facing the threat of radical Islamic thinking or anti

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Speaker 8: Semitism front on. We have been too polite, too tolerant

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Speaker 8: of those within tolerance. We need to have a harder

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Speaker 8: line in the law enforcement and political space to deal

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Speaker 8: with these issues, because this is just getting worse erin

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Speaker 8: We have more terrorists now in Australia than any time

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Speaker 8: previously in our history.

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Speaker 7: We are at.

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Speaker 8: Risk of serious harm in the future if we don't

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Speaker 8: rethink things.

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Speaker 1: What have you made of Anthony Albernezi's response, not just

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Speaker 1: to what happened in Bondai and where I think about

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Speaker 1: two weeks post that, maybe three weeks post that, and

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Speaker 1: also his response in the wake of October seven and

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Speaker 1: the demise we saw in this country less you know,

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Speaker 1: than a day later with what happened outside the Opera

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Speaker 1: House and this just decay and rot we've seen ever since.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of his direct response and the

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Speaker 1: response since October seven.

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Speaker 8: I just want to make it clear, and I'm not

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Speaker 8: a political supporter of any party.

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Speaker 7: I just support what's right for Australia.

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Speaker 8: That's all I really care about is our citizens and

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Speaker 8: our country. And I have to say, and I've served

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Speaker 8: directly with a number of prime ministers as a bodyguard

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Speaker 8: to a number of them and in very close proximity

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Speaker 8: many occasions, and Anthony Albanezi is extremely disappointing.

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Speaker 7: I say that he has, through a.

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Speaker 8: Lack of action, emboldened this radical Islamic and anti Semitic

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Speaker 8: thinking to take home as a popular policy within the

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Speaker 8: social environment in Australia. And that he's inaction after the

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Speaker 8: abomination that happened on the Opera House steps, that when

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Speaker 8: the anti Jewish slogans were being chanted because there was

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Speaker 8: no law enforcement action taken, because a law enforcement were

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Speaker 8: looking at every possible technical reason that they had to

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Speaker 8: tick every single box before they made a step, because

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Speaker 8: they don't want to upset these people.

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Speaker 1: It's insane, isn't it that we should care more about

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Speaker 1: the feelings of certain people than the lives of others.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, it's if a mosque has been attacked or interfered

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Speaker 8: within the last couple of years, there's a very quick

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Speaker 8: and rapid law enforcement response to declare it as a

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Speaker 8: terrorist incident.

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Speaker 7: And that's great. I applaud that. But the same should

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Speaker 7: happen when something happens at a synagogue or Jewish school,

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Speaker 7: but there's not because they don't want to upset these

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Speaker 7: radical thinkers, radical Islamic thinkers, because they might get angry.

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Speaker 7: That's not the work.

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Speaker 8: What we're doing here is just appeasing the aggressor, and

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Speaker 8: the aggressor is getting more aggressive.

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Speaker 1: You're so right in that we don't want to anger them,

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Speaker 1: but they're already angry. Listen to what they're saying, watch

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. They're already angry. You're wasting your time

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Speaker 1: trying to appease Islamic radical believers. They are not our friends.

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Speaker 1: They are not our friends. What do you think needs

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Speaker 1: to happen or a Royal commission. There is a growing loud,

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Speaker 1: really credible group of people who are not Jewish, who

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Speaker 1: are now putting immense pressure on the government. Business leaders,

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Speaker 1: sporting types, even former and current labor members are saying

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Speaker 1: to the Prime Minister, enough is enough, We need to

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Speaker 1: do this now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's very true.

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Speaker 8: Eron, I personally have been a Royal Commission investigator for

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Speaker 8: two years in New South Wales, know how effective they

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Speaker 8: are on a state basis, and we need a federal

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Speaker 8: Royal commission.

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Speaker 7: It's only a federal.

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Speaker 8: Royal Commission that can will be able to subpoena afp

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Speaker 8: azo commonwealth ministers and look at what ministerial powers were used,

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Speaker 8: what information was given and what action or what inaction

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Speaker 8: was taken by ministers and senior bureaucrats. At the moment,

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Speaker 8: I have no confidence that the Commonwealth government has any

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Speaker 8: impartiality to examine itself on its own failings.

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Speaker 1: So you need when it comes to a royal commission,

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Speaker 1: and you're really qualified to answer this. A lot of people,

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Speaker 1: particularly in my overseas audience, may not understand the difference

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Speaker 1: and why this matters so much in a succinct easy

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Speaker 1: to understand. Why can you explain why a Royal commission

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Speaker 1: is required here and not some kind of internal investigation.

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Speaker 8: Sure, the internal investigation that's been proposed at the moment

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Speaker 8: has no actual powers. It relies on cooperation and look,

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Speaker 8: that's just an inter government report. What we want here

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Speaker 8: is a royal commission. A Royal Commission has powers to

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Speaker 8: subpoena Commonwealth, state and territory members, members of the public,

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Speaker 8: members of the government, members of law enforcement. You don't

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Speaker 8: have a right to not appear and give evidence. If

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Speaker 8: you give evidence falsely, then you will be held in

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Speaker 8: contempt and there's precedents for jail. If you refuse to

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Speaker 8: answer questions, you will be in contempt and there is

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Speaker 8: a precedence that you will be jailed until you give

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Speaker 8: evidence it's the most powerful tool Australia has to get

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Speaker 8: to the very bottom of what went on.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't give people the right to silence.

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Speaker 8: That's all out the window because this isn't about a

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Speaker 8: criminal prosecution. This is about finding out what went wrong,

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Speaker 8: who made mistakes, and how we fix it so never

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Speaker 8: happens in the future. And if we don't have that

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Speaker 8: Royal Commission, Commonwealth Royal Commission in Australia, just watch this

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Speaker 8: space because unfortunately, people are going to get hurt in

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Speaker 8: the future and it's most likely going to be the

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Speaker 8: Jewish community again.

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Speaker 1: David Craig, I wish you had better news, but your

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Speaker 1: voice matters so so much. Thank you for using it.

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Speaker 1: I know how much courage it takes, particularly in this space.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for fighting on behalf of all Australians, including

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Speaker 1: Muslim Australians who just want to live in peace and

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Speaker 1: contribute to this country. All Australians from all different walks

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Speaker 1: of life who don't believe in that murderous jihadists terror

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Speaker 1: are with you and we thank you.

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Speaker 7: Yep, thank you.

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Speaker 8: Eron and I worked with very good Muslim investigators tracking

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Speaker 8: terrorists in Southeast Asia and when I was in Afghanistan,

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Speaker 8: very honorable Muslim people. This isn't about them, this is

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Speaker 8: about the other spectrum. They're the ones we have no

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Speaker 8: tolerance for.

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Speaker 1: No. I agree entirely, and I talk about this a lot. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Indonesia. Dad was at the embassy there,

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Speaker 1: so I speak the language fluently of the world's largest

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Speaker 1: Islamic nation.

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Speaker 2: And the irony is, and I go to Indonesia a lot.

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Speaker 2: The irony is.

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Speaker 1: They hate Islamic extremism more than anyone else. And you

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Speaker 1: look at what we dodo. The Indonesian president did, the

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Speaker 1: previous president. He all but eradicated the terrorist element of

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Speaker 1: Islamic extremism in his country with tough measures. They started,

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Speaker 1: you know, double pronged with just no tolerance at all,

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Speaker 1: really tough punishments combined with the indoctrination aspect of getting

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Speaker 1: kids young and getting.

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Speaker 2: It out of them.

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Speaker 1: So I sit here in Australia and I think Indonesia,

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Speaker 1: the biggest Muslim country in the world, is very public

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Speaker 1: and unapologetic about eradicating this extremism.

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Speaker 2: Why are we sitting.

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Speaker 1: Here going, oh, we don't want to offend. Who are

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Speaker 1: you offending? The terrorists?

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Speaker 2: That's it. Everyone else wants it gone.

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Speaker 7: That's exactly right.

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Speaker 8: Every Muslim government and organization won't accept these people, and

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Speaker 8: they stamp it out.

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Speaker 7: But we are too woke to do anything about it.

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Speaker 7: We don't want to upset them.

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Speaker 2: Sanity doctor.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your expertise, thank you for your fight,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll get you back on the show.

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Speaker 7: Soon anytime eron. Thank you very much much.

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Speaker 2: We'll wait and see.

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Speaker 1: There are some rumors that the Australian Prime Minister in

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Speaker 1: my backflip and announce a royal commission. Of course, will

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Speaker 1: bring it to you. If it happens, it is desperately needed.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for staying with us for two

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Speaker 1: big interviews. I've now got some fan feedback for you.

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Speaker 1: And as I always say, even if you hate me

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Speaker 1: and you write abuse, you're still a fan. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. Mind you, we get less and less of

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Speaker 1: that and just a lot of love, which is really

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Speaker 1: quite special, very special.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, let's have look.

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Speaker 1: This is off the back of Ben Habib, the leader

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Speaker 1: of Advance UK.

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Speaker 2: Moven says, great interview. I've now subscribed.

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Speaker 1: Ben Habib is a very smart man in his brain

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Speaker 1: and how he dresses the perfect English gentleman.

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Speaker 2: Ben for number ten, what about how I dress? But

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Speaker 2: I don't look like the.

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Speaker 1: Perfect English gentleman. See, you can't win with women when

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Speaker 1: you don't comment on what I wear.

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Speaker 2: I'm offended. When you do.

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Speaker 1: Comment on what I wear, I am rancid and I

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Speaker 1: will destroy you.

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Speaker 2: So there you go. You cannot win.

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Speaker 1: Lots of great interview, great interview, Thank you for having Ben.

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Speaker 1: Jim says, excellent exchange erin and Ben quality, integrity and

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Speaker 1: natural humility evident from start to finish.

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Speaker 2: It was worth watching from start to finish. Very impressive.

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Speaker 2: Love that. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Jenny says, best one so far. I have so much

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Speaker 1: faith in Ben to deliver. Oh bless you. Oh gosh,

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Speaker 1: here's a lot of really positive feedback. Lynn says, I've

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Speaker 1: just man your side eron as I follow Ben Habib.

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Speaker 1: I'm a true blue patriotic Aussie born and bred. All

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Speaker 1: I can say is that your beautiful dad would be

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Speaker 1: very proud of you. Don't make me cry, Lynn, You're beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Adrian says, thanks for highlighting Ben

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Speaker 1: Habib and advance you can your show really help him

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Speaker 1: getting his message across and thank you for making me

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Speaker 1: smile every time you say the word nob. Okay, Adrian,

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Speaker 1: this is just for you. Nob nob nob You're welcome.

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Speaker 1: My mother will hate that, but just as long as

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Speaker 1: you are happy, Adrian. Now I want to go into

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Speaker 1: yesterday's episode. Make sure you have a look at this

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Speaker 1: as well. This is off the back of Maduro being caught.

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Speaker 1: We had a federal judge from America, Roy Altman.

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Speaker 2: Who is so impressive.

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Speaker 1: I think he's one of the youngest who ever become

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Speaker 1: a federal judge in America. Venezuelan born so much feedback

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Speaker 1: about this.

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00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: He was super powerful. And then we also had Andrew

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Speaker 2: Galilly talk about Iran.

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Speaker 1: Liz says thoroughly enjoyed the interviews. Made me a bit

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Speaker 1: teary in some spots.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: Very informative, real and honest. That's what we always try

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Speaker 1: and do. Stride says, wow, that was a really good show.

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Speaker 2: Kip it coming.

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Speaker 1: Aaron loved it. Lots of compliments, guys, we really appreciate that. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: you can always be very honest with us, I promise.

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00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,760
Speaker 1: Antoinette says, love you work. You're doing an amazing job

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Speaker 1: of reporting the truth. Unlike the mainstream media. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for your fantastic guess you're fast becoming my favorite journalist.

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Speaker 1: Bless you. Rich says, what a beautiful and meaningful personal story.

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Speaker 1: We were privileged and listening to it from our Florida

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Speaker 1: Federal US District Court judge, the Honorable Roy Altman. Fantastic guests. Oh,

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Speaker 1: bless you, Aaron, You're getting better and better.

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Speaker 2: Stop it.

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Speaker 1: I'm an Australian citizen. This is from Sonic was born

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Speaker 1: and lived in South Africa. Love your passion, guys, so

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Speaker 1: much love. If anyone wants to just send me mean

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Speaker 1: stuff just because it's funny or entertaining, you can feel free.

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Speaker 2: Oh here we go.

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Speaker 1: Mahmad says, it's such a light to US Iranians because

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Speaker 1: you speak the truth, don't whitewash evil.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I love it.

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Speaker 1: I think this stuff is so important, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's so important that we continue to highlight what is

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Speaker 1: happening in these places and link it back to why

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Speaker 1: it matters.

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Speaker 2: I would care regardless because.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely feel very passionate about the plight of people.

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Speaker 2: I love this space. I'm highly engaged in it.

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Speaker 1: But for people who are not what I really want

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Speaker 1: to do is be able to show the every day Australian,

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Speaker 1: the everyday American, the everyday europe wherever you are around

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Speaker 1: the world, in Singapore and Malaysia, it doesn't matter why

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Speaker 1: you should care about the plight of the Iranian people,

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00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: why what happens in Venezuela does impact your day to

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Speaker 1: day life. And that's what we try and do here

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Speaker 1: on the Aeron Molincher. You guys have made me feel

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Speaker 1: all warm and fuzzy reading all those I often I

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Speaker 1: scroll down and generally there's kind of you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's hundreds, sometimes thousands of comments, but generally kind of

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Speaker 1: interspersed within there's some negative ones and I can, you know,

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Speaker 1: throw them in and show you that I'm humble and

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Speaker 1: my ego is not getting out of control. But there's

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Speaker 1: really none that I can kind of see here.

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Speaker 2: Like none, like none.

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Speaker 1: Like Seriously, I'm looking right now, I'm trying to find

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Speaker 1: something that is mean, and there's not.

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Speaker 2: You guys, thank you. I love you very very very

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Speaker 2: very various.

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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to just pastime I can try and see,

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Speaker 1: oh I think you did when you were gagging and coughing,

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Speaker 1: Oh after saying he said he was not guilty, so

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Speaker 1: that's not even an insult. They enjoyed my gagging and

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Speaker 1: my coughing. I love you guys, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We have a cracking weekend episode with Sid Rosenberg coming up.

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Speaker 1: Sid is I mean, let's just call him the number

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Speaker 1: one talk show host in the world. Donald Trump says

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Speaker 1: he's the best at what he does. Donald Trump loves him.

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Speaker 1: He loves Donald Trump. He gets emotional in this chat,

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Speaker 1: really emotional. I'm talking tears. It's a really special conversation.

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Speaker 1: He's also scathing when it comes to a certain candidate

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Speaker 1: for the New York mayoral election that he says let

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Speaker 1: him down, hasn't spoken to him since.

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Speaker 2: Really interesting chat. Can I wait for that? Love you all?

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Speaker 1: That will come on the weekend, then move back on Monday,

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Speaker 1: six am, eight