1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Untangling Prayer Podcast. I'm Rachel Wojo, and 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 2: each week we unravel life's notts through prayer. Here you'll 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: find practical wisdom and prayer encouragement to guide you through 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: life's hardest seasons. Join me as we untangle life's messes together, 6 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: one prayer at a time. Welcome to the Untangling Prayer 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 2: Podcast with Rachel Wojo, and I'm so glad that you 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: join me today. I have a special guest. And normally 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: I tell you that my special guests are my friends, 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: but that is not quite the case with the special guest. 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: I am honored today to have HDTV's Jenny Mars joining 12 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: me today. And Jenny and I have a connection really 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: through her show. I watched fixered a Fabulis several years ago, 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: and I just remember there being so much light and 15 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: love and joy and what Dave and Jenny do and 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 2: the way they transform houses into homes, and I just thought, man, 17 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: they must know Jesus. So when her new book published 18 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: this year, Trust God, Love People this fall, I could 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: not wait to get my hands on it and I 20 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: preordered it and I just read it in three evenings. 21 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 2: It's so precious So, Jenny, thank you for being with 22 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: me today and would you just share a little bit 23 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: of who you are and what you do. I described 24 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: it from my side of the world, but I'm sure 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: you can give everyone a better idea. 26 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, that was perfect. Thank you. 27 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for having me, Thanks for reaching out. 28 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: I'm glad you liked the book. 29 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: Hi. My name's Jenny. 30 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: I live in Arkansas in the northwest corner of Arkansas 31 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: with my husband Dave and our five kids, and we 32 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: have a blue By farm here and next to our 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: property that we have, it's a U pick farm where 34 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 3: we donate the proceeds. We have a trade school in 35 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: Zimbabwe and so the proceeds from our farm benefit the 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 3: school there. We have the HDTV show we just are 37 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 3: about to finish filming, hopefully in a couple of weeks 38 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 3: mid December. I'm not sure when this airs, but we're 39 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: about to finish filming season seven of our show. We 40 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: filmed with it. I can't remember exactly where it fell 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: on the line, but somewhere in this season was our 42 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: one hundredth episode, and this season will air. We'll start 43 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 3: airing on December second, so it comes on Tuesday nights. 44 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: On HGTV at eight I think seventh Central. So we'll 45 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: have the new season. We'll start airing December. Second. 46 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: I just launched my book last month. 47 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: It was a really that was just a fun process 48 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 3: to write down, just stories of God's faithfulness in our 49 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 3: family and in my life. And it's been the biggest 50 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: gift of it has been my kids reading it. And 51 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 3: my daughter Charlotte said it's the best book she's ever read. 52 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: And you know, and she said, even if you weren't 53 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: my mom, it would still be the best book I've 54 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 3: ever read. 55 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, so that was the best compliment 56 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: I could get. Yeah, that is so precious. 57 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: Don't you love our kids. I have a little note 58 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 2: from one of my girls that said, Mom, you are 59 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: the best author ever, the best. I mean it. It's 60 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: like she was trying to convince me, thank you. 61 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: That is so sweet, so sweet. 62 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: I got to chapter seven in your book and the 63 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: title of the chapter was bold Prayer, and I was 64 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 2: just like, oh, man, what a story. Would you share 65 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: just a little bit of that story so that our 66 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: listeners can get an idea of how much prayer really 67 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 2: means to you? 68 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: Sure that that chapter is about the prayer. 69 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: We were in the process of adopting our daughter Sylvie 70 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: from the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and I just 71 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 3: felt the Lord land my heart at a specific time frame, 72 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: and I thought that that meant that she was going 73 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: to be coming home at that time, because we were 74 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: having it was just anybody who has adopted internationally understands 75 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 3: that it is not a easy process. There's a lot 76 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 3: of unknowns, a lot of delays, a lot of it's 77 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: just kind of a mess. It's hard, hard, hard. It's 78 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 3: also just a spiritual battle, I think more than anything, 79 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: and that goes for adoption in general. But I had 80 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: this time frame on my mind and I thought she 81 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: was coming home. I kept telling our adoption agency. I 82 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 3: was like, she's coming home in June, and they said 83 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 3: that's impossible because we had all these steps to fall. 84 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: You had to go to court, you had to do 85 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: all these things. And I was like, Okay, well, what 86 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 3: can happen. It can happen, and then right before you know, 87 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: when we got to one of the steps, basically it 88 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: was impossible. 89 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: It would never there was no way it could happen. 90 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: And she was still living in her orphanage at the time, 91 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: which we later visited after she was legal. At that point, 92 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 3: she was not legally our daughter. We were still in process. 93 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 3: When she was legally our daughter, we visited that orphanage 94 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: that she had lived in, and the conditions. 95 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: Were just awful, Yeah, just as like the worst you 96 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: can imagine. 97 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: And we knew she wasn't being fed, We knew there 98 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 3: weren't adults there regularly. The kids basically took care of 99 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 3: themselves all those things. She was sick, very sick, and 100 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: so I just kept praying she had to get home, 101 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: because from day to day at that point we didn't know. 102 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, we were fearful for her life. And 103 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 3: so one night I felt I was you know, I'd 104 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 3: been praying, praying, praying this, and one night I just 105 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 3: felt this sense of gripping fear. In the night, I 106 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 3: woke up and I just I don't even know how 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: it's to describe it, but it was a spiritual battle 108 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: and I felt somebody like holding my neck and I 109 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: woke up and I was like, I couldn't breathe and 110 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: just just started praying. And then I checked my phone 111 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: and right in the moment that I had woken up, 112 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 3: I had a message from one of our Congolese friends. 113 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: Her name's Laura, and she was able to convince Sylvie's 114 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: birth or Sylvie's sorry, Sylvie's orphanage director, that she would 115 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 3: be able to foster Sylvie. So she was able to 116 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 3: get her out of the orphanage. And it was a 117 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: huge it was very much a spiritual battle because the 118 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: orphanage director did not want her to go because that 119 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 3: meant she would be losing the money that was coming 120 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 3: with her every month, even though we would we said, 121 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 3: we'll still send the money. 122 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: We don't care about that. We just want her out 123 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: where she's safe. 124 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 3: And so she was able to go and live with 125 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: lar And for the next year she lived with Laura, 126 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: and so we knew she was safe, and we knew 127 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: she was being fed and cared for as much as possible. 128 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 3: I mean, Laura ended up taking in about I don't 129 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: know about I think I can't even remember now. She 130 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: had six kids arown, and then she took in maybe 131 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: ten to fourteen more kids. So anyway, was the Lord 132 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: answered that prayer in a way that I hadn't expected. 133 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: And it wasn't that she. 134 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: Was in my home, but she was in Laura's home 135 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: and I could call her and FaceTime her all the time. 136 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 3: We could send her gifts, we could visit her, all 137 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: of the things that we were wanting to do that 138 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: we weren't able to do when she was in the orphanage. 139 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: So it was an answer to that prayer in a 140 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: way that I wasn't expecting. 141 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes when God doesn't answer the way we 142 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 2: want him to, it's hard to see those positives, right 143 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: because you want to stop your foot and go. But 144 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: I wanted her home, and I've been through that so 145 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: many times in my own life. Your subtitle of your 146 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: book is about open handed faith, and I just wanted 147 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: you to share a little bit about what living with 148 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:12,559 Speaker 2: open hands means to you, especially when it's hard, because 149 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 2: your your stories throughout this book really show that open 150 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 2: handed faith. 151 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. I Yeah. 152 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: We actually went back and forth a lot on the 153 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: subtitle with my editor. I really wanted it to be 154 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 3: living with open handed faith, and she was like, I just. 155 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: Don't know if that's really clear. People will know what 156 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: that means. 157 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: So I'm glad that you brought that up because I'm like, okay, 158 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: good it did. It resonated, But it's really the idea 159 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 3: of releasing control and surrendering to God's plans because at 160 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 3: the end of the day, his plans are better than 161 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: our plans. And I don't do it perfectly. I'm always 162 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: trying to plan. I'm sitting here today's office day. I'm 163 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: sitting here with the calendar, trying to corral my scheduled, 164 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 3: Dave schedule, and our five kids schedules, and it's chaos, 165 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: and I'm trying to to, you know, manipulate all the plans, 166 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 3: the plans. But it's the idea of saying, okay, even 167 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: in this day, like, Lord, I have so much to 168 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: get done, But what show me what the priorities are. 169 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: Show me what is not a priority, what I can 170 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: push away off my plate, even if it's just for now. 171 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 3: Really approaching everything we do in life from an eternal perspective, 172 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 3: and I think when we do that, we can find 173 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: not just the big things, but the little things, like 174 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: if we really do pray to surrender our time to 175 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: the Lord, that he will show us even just you know, 176 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: we'll be walking down the street and we can get 177 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 3: you know, someone will stop us to talk to us. 178 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 3: And if we aren't really aware, we can miss those 179 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: really sweet moments. 180 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: I can't. 181 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many little moments I'm sure we've 182 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 3: all experienced that we're like, oh, I'm so glad I 183 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 3: made time for that. I didn't have the time for that, 184 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: but I made the margin for that. Whatever that experience 185 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 3: was to happen, and whether it, you know, was a 186 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 3: benefit to me or to that person, regardless, it's just 187 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: the idea of really surrendering our plans, our control each 188 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: of our days, our big plans and our little plans. 189 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 190 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: I think the subtitle stories of My open Handed Faith 191 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: invokes a curiosity like what does that really mean? So 192 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: then it makes you want to dive into when you 193 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: think about when I think about the subtitle, I think, well, 194 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: a lot of times we just want to hold on 195 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: and clench our fists around whatever it is that God 196 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: is doing, or the way we see our own lives, 197 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: or the way we want the future to go, or 198 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: you know, X, y Z, whatever it is, and just 199 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: releasing that and having an open palm, I think evokes 200 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: a lot of curiosity and a lot of intrigue with 201 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: how God just had There's a mystery about him that 202 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 2: we will never fully understand. But when we embrace what 203 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 2: we do, know what we can trust in this character. 204 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: It's a beautiful thing, and you're in Dave's life and 205 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: the stories that you share in this book really reflect that, 206 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: and it's super sweet. That's why I devoured it in 207 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: three evenings. 208 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking. 209 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 2: About one part of your title is trust God and 210 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 2: love people. And loving people can be really hard and exhausting. 211 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: And then how do you say how do you know 212 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: when to say yes and when to say no? I mean, 213 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: you're talking about your own family and your own timing 214 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: right now, So I just thought I would ask, how 215 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: do you balanceing yes to people without losing yourself or 216 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: your family and the process? 217 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, oh yeah. 218 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 3: As I get older and as the kids get older, 219 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 3: I have a lot of boundaries in our time and 220 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: our schedule. Even you know, when we're creating our production calendar, 221 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 3: it's very much built around our kids' schedule and things 222 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 3: that our kids have going on, and we make sure 223 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: to create time for us for vacation and to visit 224 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 3: family and all of those things. We have to build 225 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: those in because those are like the most important foundational 226 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 3: layer of our schedule. And I think that loving people 227 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: doesn't mean that you're available to everyone. You have to 228 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: protect your own resource of energy and time, like it's 229 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 3: just a reality. It doesn't mean saying yes to every 230 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: invitation or everything you have. There's a lot of things 231 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 3: that I have to say no to, even though they're 232 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: really good things and I would love to do them, 233 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: or I'd love to go and you know, go to 234 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: this event and do this or whatever. But I don't 235 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 3: have the bandwidth for all of it. And I think 236 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 3: that's okay. I think it's the discerning what to say 237 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: yes to and what not to. And I think for us, 238 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: for our family, we have just sort of like our 239 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: family values, things that are important to Like Sundays are 240 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: for church. We actually the way we have our church 241 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 3: set up on the fifth Sunday of the month, if 242 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: there is a fifth Sunday, we don't have church service. 243 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: We just have a rest day. 244 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 3: So we stay home and we sleep in and everybody 245 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: just kind of does go for a walk or whatever 246 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: that looks like. So it's been really that's kind of 247 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,599 Speaker 3: a extra little Sabbath built in. But Sunday is the 248 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: day of like trying really to rest, not working. And then, 249 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: like I said, the kids' activities and all of that 250 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: are the foundation things that I say. 251 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: Sorry, that's first and foremost in terms. 252 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 3: Of the other kind of piece of that is that 253 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,479 Speaker 3: loving people means really having. 254 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: Relationships with people. 255 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 3: It's not It's something that's really important to Dave and 256 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 3: I is for our kids to really be exposed to 257 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: all sorts of people, all sorts of cultures, different beliefs, 258 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 3: different lifestyles, all of that. I mean, just making sure 259 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 3: that we're not just staying in our bubble, which can 260 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: be really easy to do. And for us that means 261 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: we really do have, like people around their table from 262 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: all over the world, or that really look different or 263 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: believe different, or act different or whatever that looks like. 264 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 3: We have them over for dinner. And we have friends 265 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: that you wouldn't like. They don't necessarily line up with 266 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 3: our beliefs and all of the things. But that's okay 267 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, it's not our 268 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: responsibility to decide what's right and what's wrong. We're just 269 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: supposed to love. Yes, we can point to people, you know, 270 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 3: obviously we were called to holiness and we were called 271 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: to you know, if there's something someone's doing, like if 272 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: somebody did something really really bad. I would tell them, no, 273 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: we don't do that. But really, I don't feel like 274 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: it's my job to judge them. I just can love them, 275 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 3: and I can show them what the love of Jesus 276 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: looks like, and then I can plan to see but 277 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: God has to do the rest. I'm not in charge 278 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: of someone else's salvation. And I think that is a 279 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 3: bit of a freedom as well, because it gives you 280 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: an opportunity to sit with people like Jesus did that 281 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: are different from you, and you don't feel like, oh 282 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 3: my gosh, I have to convert them like that's I 283 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: think we have sort of this American way of thinking 284 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: of Christianity that we're like, we have to, you know, 285 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: go evangelize, and I don't. I think you can love 286 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: someone and show them Jesus through your actions and through 287 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: the way that you create relationship and get to know 288 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: one another. And we've had so many just fruitful, amazing 289 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: conversations with friends around the world. I mean, we've sat 290 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: around tables in so many different places with people that 291 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 3: we've created deep relationships with who have asked us like, wait, 292 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: like who is this Jesus, Like what is this light 293 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: that you guys have like they've asked these questions. We've 294 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: had these really really rich, spiritual conversations with people that 295 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 3: have had been scarred by you know, religion or family 296 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: or trauma from past experiences. And so I think that 297 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: idea of relationship is really important. And it doesn't mean 298 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 3: again that you have to say yes to everybody and 299 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: every everything, but really building relationships and sitting around a 300 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 3: table because everything, I just feel our world is so 301 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: divisive and if you're behind a computer screen all day 302 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: trying to convince someone of something you're not going to, 303 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 3: but have them over for dinner and you guys get 304 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 3: to know each other and acts and find out you 305 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 3: know each other's stories, and I think stories are so important. 306 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: So that to me is a way of really loving 307 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: people well. 308 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: And what you just described as really the life that 309 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 2: Jesus lived when he was here, eating meals with people 310 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: and sitting around the table with them and telling stories. 311 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 2: Whether it was personally or in a small group setting 312 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: or a larger setting, he told stories. So I think 313 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: that again is a reflection of your book and what 314 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: you shared in it. I wondered if Dave helps you. 315 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 2: I think this is a maybe the last more personal 316 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: question I'll ask you, but how do you and Dave 317 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 2: help each other maintain those boundaries around? You know where 318 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 2: you go, what you do, how you spend your time, 319 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: and you know even the loving people part. Because it 320 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 2: can be hard to choose when to have someone in 321 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: your home, when not to, when to involve your children, 322 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: and when not to. So how do you help yourselves 323 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: between each other keep that boundary and recognize when to 324 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: and when not to. 325 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I think we just do a really good 326 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 3: job of if one of us. I can think of 327 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 3: an example. A couple of weeks ago, Davi had scheduled 328 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 3: we have a new pastor that came. We have a 329 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 3: very small little church in our burn, and it's we're like, 330 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 3: we didn't even mean to start a church, and we 331 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 3: started a church on accent, but now we had our 332 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 3: friend was our pastor, and he's like, I need to retire. 333 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 3: So we had we actually hired someone, which feels like 334 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 3: a big big deal and we're like, oh gosh, I 335 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 3: think we're really a church. But anyway, he and his 336 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 3: family moved here and Dave, you know, we were trying 337 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 3: to coordinate. Our schedules have been really, really crazy. The 338 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 3: past couple months, and we were trying to coordinate a 339 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 3: night to have them over for dinner, and Dave coordinated 340 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: with him like, okay, great, it's on the calendar. Well, 341 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 3: then my grandma passed away and there was like a 342 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 3: slew of things that happened, and I was just that day. 343 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: It was on a Tuesday, they were coming over and 344 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: I was just so exhausted. I was like, Dave, we 345 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: have to cancel. I can't do it. I have nothing. 346 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 3: I have nothing left. I literally can't do it. And 347 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 3: he's like, well, we can't. Let's just it's okay, just. 348 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: Have them over. 349 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 3: And normally, if I really was like I feel like 350 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: normally he'd say okay, let's cancel. I don't know why 351 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 3: he didn't on that particular day, but he just said, no, 352 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 3: let's just have them over. 353 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: And you know, I was like okay. 354 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 3: And they got there and we just had like the 355 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 3: most awesome dinner. Our kids got along, like had so 356 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 3: much fun, and we got to have this. Really it 357 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: was such a vulnerable time together because I was just exhausted. 358 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: It wasn't like I'm putting on like oh ghostess face. 359 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 3: I was like, hey, guys, I'm so tired, I've been 360 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,479 Speaker 3: crying all day. Welcome to our hot mess press, you know. 361 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 3: And I think sometimes that's actually the better scenario for 362 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 3: someone coming on. Not that you want to come over 363 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: to someone's mess, but you're like, oh, okay, I'm not 364 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 3: the only one. 365 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: They're not perfect. I'm not perfect. Let's just talk about 366 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: it and let's support one another. 367 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: And we ended up having this wonderful evening and great conversation, 368 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: and it really ended up feeling my soul and my 369 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 3: bucket in a way that I hadn't expected because I 370 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: was just so depleted at that moment. So there's things 371 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 3: like that that happen where there are times where it's like, no, 372 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 3: we need to not we need to just stay home, 373 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 3: because that happens a lot too, where we're like, let's 374 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 3: just stay home as a family, and we really do 375 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 3: kind of hunker down as a family with the kids 376 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 3: where if we notice some things off with one of 377 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: the kiddo's or we've been traveling for games or all 378 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: the things we notice, we just need a night at home, 379 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 3: like low key, you know, And you just kind of 380 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: have to gauge that, especially now for us we have 381 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 3: teenagers down to a six year old. So it's a 382 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: lot of emotions, and so we're constantly trying to navigate. Okay, 383 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: what do we do? 384 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 1: But we do we do. 385 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 3: I feel like do a pretty good job of balancing 386 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 3: one another. Like if one of us is really like 387 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: low on the energy, like the other one comes in, 388 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 3: it's like, okay, I'm taking over, go like Dave. A 389 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 3: lot of times, like you know, Dave's like, go take 390 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: a bath, I'll make dinner, you know. So I feel 391 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: like we do a good job of partnering and managing 392 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: all the things, especially because we work together and we 393 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: both know. I think the benefit of working together is 394 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: we both really understand the demands of our day and 395 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 3: the demands of our job, which are very unique. And 396 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: I think if someone if one of us wasn't doing 397 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: this job, the other one wouldn't be able to understand 398 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: the way that we can, you know. So I think 399 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 3: that is actually very helpful. A lot of people are like, 400 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 3: how can you guys work together? I'm like, actually, it's 401 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 3: really helped because we both can get it. Like I'm done, 402 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 3: this is my look, I'm introduce spent, I'm depleted, I 403 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 3: can't talk anymore. I can't interact with anyone we understand, 404 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: So it actually is a really good I think balance 405 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 3: and partnership yeah something. 406 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it sounds like you just both have 407 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: your finger on the pulse of how each other respond 408 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 2: to things, and then you know each other so well 409 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 2: you know the needs of one another. I think it's interesting. 410 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: Every week I'm not a real big people person, and 411 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 2: every week when we host small group, I tell my 412 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 2: husband I really don't want to do this. But then 413 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: but then when everyone, when everyone leaves, I'm like, I'm 414 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: so glad we did that. So I feel you, I 415 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: feel you, and he would probably feel Dave on that 416 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 2: one too. I am so honored that you would take 417 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 2: a few minutes to chat with us your new beautiful 418 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 2: book Trust God left people stories of my open handed faith. 419 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: Would you close us with just sharing what you're praying 420 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: for right now and how you you know, how you're 421 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: praying for the people who read this book. What is 422 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: it that you want them to really receive from it? 423 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 2: Because I know, from an author's standpoint, you don't just 424 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 2: write the book for fun or because the opportunities there. 425 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: You really want people to receive it and be able 426 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: to act on it in it to mean something, So 427 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 2: would you share that with us? 428 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: Sure? 429 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all along, I think, well, I know 430 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 3: throughout the whole process of writing, and I'm sure you 431 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 3: understand this. I prayed throughout like just Lord, what stories 432 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 3: do you want me to tell? And then Holy Spirit 433 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 3: give me the words because in my own strength, I 434 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: know I could not have done it, especially with pressures 435 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 3: and all the things, and just carving the time, like 436 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 3: I look back, and even just being able to write 437 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 3: the book in just itself, it was. 438 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: A It was definitely God's hand. 439 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 3: So for me, it's what we talked about earlier, the 440 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: story how stories are important. So I hope my prayer 441 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 3: is that my stories can encourage everyone who reads the 442 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 3: book to look back on their own life and to 443 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 3: reflect on their own stories and to see God's hand. 444 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 3: Because as I was writing it, there were so many 445 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 3: times when I would be like, oh, it was like aha, 446 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 3: moments left and right of like oh God, that's what 447 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 3: you now. I see what you were doing ten years ago. 448 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 3: I see how that all we You know, you wove 449 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: all of those things together in a beautiful way that 450 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 3: at the time I couldn't see. So the thing about 451 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 3: it is you have to take the time to remember 452 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 3: and reflect. And God tells us to do that so 453 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: many times in scripture. I talk about it in the book, 454 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 3: But he tells us to remember, tells us to celebrate. 455 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 3: And I think that's really really important because if we 456 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: don't remember what He's done in our past, how can 457 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 3: we trust him with our present? And how can we 458 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 3: trust him and walk in faith for our future? And 459 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 3: how can we live open handedly? We can't because we 460 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 3: don't have that firm foundation of trust. So my prayer 461 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 3: has been that it will encourage people to look back 462 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 3: on His faithfulness in their life. Whether you write the 463 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:14,959 Speaker 3: stories down or whether you just reflect on them and 464 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 3: think through them and thank God for them. It's really 465 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 3: just a matter of like having that posture of gratitude. 466 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 3: And I hope it's also encouraging because regardless of where 467 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 3: you are in this and you know your own story, 468 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: whether you're in a season of waiting or a season 469 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 3: of you know, mountaintop joyful things abundance, or a really 470 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 3: hard dark season like those, those seasons come and go, 471 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 3: and I hope that my stories in the book can 472 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: encourage you, Like, Okay, I keep turning the page, like 473 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 3: there's going to be a new season, there's going to 474 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 3: be a new day each day, you know, fresh mercies 475 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 3: each day. So I hope it's an encouragement for just 476 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 3: everyone in the regardless of whatever season you're in. And 477 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 3: then also it again just helps you to remember and 478 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 3: reflect and really have your own firm foundation of God's 479 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 3: faithfulness so that you can trust him with your own. 480 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 2: And you provide a great tool at the end of 481 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 2: the book too, that's included right in the book. It's 482 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 2: this guided journal practice that really takes you on the 483 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: journey of doing what you just shared. So anyone who's 484 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: interested in saying, yeah, that would be a great ending. 485 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 2: You provide the tool right at the end of the book. 486 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: So that's pretty awesome. Sonny, thank you so much for 487 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 2: being with us. Would you pray us out today? Oh? 488 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 3: Sure, Lord, I just thank you for this time. I 489 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 3: think you that we have this freedom to be able 490 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 3: to get on a computer and talk across the miles 491 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 3: about you and your goodness and your faithfulness. I pray 492 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: that these this conversation is an encouragement to anyone who's listening. 493 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 3: I pray specifically for every person listening today that they 494 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 3: just receive you in a way, in a fresh way, 495 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 3: that they see the world through your eye, and that 496 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: they can pause in this moment and take a breath 497 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 3: and turn everything over to you, turn their day over 498 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 3: to you, turn their future over to you, and your 499 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: faithfulness and trust to you. 500 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: Well, and thank you for everything you do for us. Jesus, 501 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: We love you. Amen. 502 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: Amen, Thanks so much for listening in to the Untangling 503 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 2: Prayer Podcast today. Until next time, I hope you know 504 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 2: that God sees you, he hears you, and he knows 505 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 2: your need. Thanks for joining me on the Untangling Prayer Podcast. 506 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 2: If this episode resonated with you, share it with someone 507 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 2: who could use a little hope, and be sure to 508 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 2: subscribe for more. Until next time, keep seeking, keep trusting, 509 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 2: and keep praying.