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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles

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Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in

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Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seekers, and

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, we will tackle this vitally important question,

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Speaker 1: what do we do when our kids tell us that science,

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Speaker 1: not scripture, is the reason they can't believe in God anymore?

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Speaker 1: For so many young people, this is the breaking point.

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Speaker 1: Study after study shows that one of the top reasons

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Speaker 1: teens and young adults walk away from the faith is

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Speaker 1: because they're convinced that modern science has disproven God. And tragically,

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Speaker 1: our educational system often presents Darwinian evolution as settled, unquestionable fact,

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Speaker 1: while ignoring a mountain of new scientific evidence that has

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Speaker 1: punched massive holes in that theory. Evidence so significant that

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Speaker 1: it's close to sinking the entire ship. But there is

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Speaker 1: good news. A brand new documentary is taking viewers inside

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Speaker 1: the scientific discoveries that challenge Darwinian evolution and point powerfully

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Speaker 1: toward intelligent design. And today we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: what this means for your kids, for their faith, and

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Speaker 1: how you can guide them with clarity and confidence. That's

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Speaker 1: the ground we will cover in this episode of Christian

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Speaker 1: Parent Crazy World. So let's get started. You know, as

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Speaker 1: a mom who has spent years talking with parents and

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Speaker 1: raising five kids of my own, I have felt the

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Speaker 1: growing tension on this topic. We want to raise children

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Speaker 1: who love God with all of their heart, soul, mind

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Speaker 1: and strength. But that mind part gets complicated when the

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Speaker 1: loudest voices in culture tell our kids that belief in

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Speaker 1: God is unscientific. Maybe you felt that not in your

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Speaker 1: stomach when your child come home from school confused, or

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Speaker 1: when they say, mom, my teacher said, evolution explains everything.

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Speaker 1: Do we even need God anymore? If that hits close

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Speaker 1: to home, you are not alone and you're definitely in

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Speaker 1: the right place today. That's why I am so excited

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Speaker 1: about our conversation, because my guest has poured his heart

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Speaker 1: into creating a resource that meets families right at this

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Speaker 1: point of crisis. Today I am joined by Alan Pereira,

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Speaker 1: the host and co creator of the new documentary series

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Speaker 1: The Science Dilemma. Alan became a Christian at sixteen, and

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Speaker 1: the impact of student ministry in his life sparked a

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Speaker 1: passion for reaching the next generation. Since graduating from Southeastern University,

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Speaker 1: he's served in Christian nonprofits and he's led student ministries.

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Speaker 2: But Alan is.

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Speaker 1: At his heart a creative. He writes songs and does

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Speaker 1: spoken word poetry and films, and all of those gifts

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Speaker 1: converge in The Science Dilemma, which is a four part

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Speaker 1: journey into the core scientific claims that shape our kids worldview.

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Speaker 1: It dives in a causemology, biology, information theory, the fossil record,

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Speaker 1: and it features world class experts who speak with clarity, humility,

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Speaker 1: for regular families. You do not need a PhD in science.

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Speaker 1: You just need a willingness to explore the evidence with

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Speaker 1: God's creation yourself. And I'll be honest, watching this documentary

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Speaker 1: reminded me why our faith is not fragile. It's actually

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Speaker 1: far more intellectually robust than our culture gives it credit for.

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Speaker 1: And parents, your kids need to know that. So that's it.

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Speaker 1: Let's jump right in, Alan, Welcome to Christian parent Crazy World.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you here. I've been looking

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me on. I can't

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna have to soundtrack today because in our

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Speaker 1: pre conversation we discovered we're both a pretty Nerdi virgin

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Speaker 1: It is real cute bench Pera and Tucker and Nick

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Speaker 1: quin Day's reform versus theology. So yeah, we covered the

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Speaker 1: all of these fascinating topics that fascinate both of us.

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Speaker 1: But that's not what we're here to talk about today.

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Speaker 1: We're here to talk about an amazing documentary that you

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Speaker 1: called The Science the Dilemma, The Science Dilemma. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: and I just absolutely thoroughly enjoyed going through this series.

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Speaker 1: And like you, I am not. I don't have a

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Speaker 1: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of imposter syndrome that I wake

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Speaker 2: your confidence is in the Lord. It's not in your expertise,

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Speaker 2: But your identity isn't in them, It's in Christ and

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Speaker 2: so and then the same thing is your banker. Everything

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Speaker 1: Oh that is so cool. You saw a need and

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go and you're sitting down and talking

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Speaker 2: I have a friend, Yeah, I have a friend that

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Speaker 2: works like he does, and he's a Discovery institute. He's

441
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Speaker 2: an expert in like the ecosystem, and so he explains

442
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: this through plants. So plants need our carbon dioxide, and

443
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: they need the sun light, and they need water, and

444
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 2: then we need plants for oxygen, right, and so this

445
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: is like we have to coexist at the same time.

446
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Speaker 1: And just pause for a second there. How perfect is that,

447
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Speaker 1: I know?

448
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 3: And it all has to exist at the same time.

449
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 1: It's like that is perfectly designed and balanced. How could

450
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Speaker 1: we have just evolved into these two different species that

451
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: one needs what we produced and we need what they

452
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Speaker 1: produce exactly, keep.

453
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Speaker 2: That going, and that's the idea. No, but you're right,

454
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Speaker 2: you're right. That's the idea of irreducible complexity. And so

455
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Speaker 2: what Michael bh does to make it make sense is

456
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Speaker 2: he explains it through a mouse trap and he just says,

457
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Speaker 2: you know, hey, if you have a mouse trap and

458
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Speaker 2: you just have the board, it's not a mouse trap.

459
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Speaker 3: If you just have the pieces of metal, it's not

460
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Speaker 3: a mouse trap.

461
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: All pieces in order for the moushap to function correctly

462
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: have to exist at the same time.

463
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Speaker 3: Without one piece, it doesn't work at.

464
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Speaker 1: All, Right, It doesn't just work less effectively, it doesn't

465
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Speaker 1: work at all at all.

466
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Speaker 2: Therefore, it can't reproduce and it's not going to invent

467
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Speaker 2: the next.

468
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Speaker 3: Piece that it needs.

469
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Speaker 2: All the pieces need to be invented created simultaneously for

470
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Speaker 2: it to exist.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I had this quote from doctor b He

472
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Speaker 1: from your episode. He said, the cell is run by machines,

473
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Speaker 1: real live machines made out of molecules that act like

474
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Speaker 1: little trucks that drive along highways made out of molecules.

475
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Speaker 1: And they have supplies in the back and roadsigns selling

476
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Speaker 1: them where to turn, and machines to unload the supplies.

477
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Speaker 1: That's crazy. And the cell at its most basic level

478
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: is a world of machines. Mind you, Darwin thought it

479
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: was jello potoplasm, and scientists did up until very recently,

480
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Speaker 1: they did not understand that there is literally within each

481
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Speaker 1: and every setting a universe. We're talking Horton, Here's who

482
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Speaker 1: here right that movie you know, you know, down inside

483
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Speaker 1: of this little cell, this little this little puff of

484
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Speaker 1: of that little puffer flower or whatever they had, was

485
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Speaker 1: an entire universe of something happening existing there. And it's perfect,

486
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Speaker 1: it's it's and it's extremely complex.

487
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

488
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Speaker 2: If you run, if you run a factory, if anybody

489
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Speaker 2: like that's listening runs a factory or manages people or machines, like,

490
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Speaker 2: you know how difficult it is to keep something running

491
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Speaker 2: efficiently without things going wrong all the time.

492
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And for us.

493
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Speaker 2: To stay alive. That has to be the case. These

494
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Speaker 2: things have to run how they were designed to.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you take one person out of the factory equation

496
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Speaker 1: or one machine out of that factory equation, it is,

497
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Speaker 1: like we said, it just doesn't work anymore.

498
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

499
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you go on from there to talk

500
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Speaker 1: to rock star doctor Stephen Meyers. You I absolutely love

501
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: Just go look up YouTube videos that Stephen Meyer. If

502
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: you want to really have an entertaining afternoon with your kids.

503
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: I absolutely love him. So he of course wrote signature

504
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Speaker 1: in the cell and what we've discovered. You know, we

505
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: used to think, like we were talking about that it

506
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: was just jello, but we got all of this coded

507
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: language within the cell. And this is what doctor Meyer said.

508
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Speaker 1: He said as persuasive as Michael bh He's argument from

509
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Speaker 1: irreducible complexity is and about the world of machines we

510
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Speaker 1: were just talking about. I believe there is an even

511
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Speaker 1: more fundamental indicator of intelligent design and the information that's

512
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Speaker 1: present in the DNA molecule, because we know from existence

513
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: in our universe there is no known existence of coded

514
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Speaker 1: language anywhere without a programmer. So speak to us about

515
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Speaker 1: what you learned from Stephen Meyer in your conversation with him.

516
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so with Stephen, doctor Stephen Meyer, like first of all,

517
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: is one of the most humble people you ever meet.

518
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Speaker 3: That shouldn't be humble. Yeah, you know.

519
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they say, like, don't meet the people that you

520
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: really like he is. That's such a class act. Very patient,

521
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 2: very kind, very thoughtful. And that's my biggest thing is

522
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: like I love like meeting experts. I love, but when

523
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 2: you meet people and they're also just godly good people,

524
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: that makes you just have so much more respect. So

525
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: doctor Meyer, I mean, he there's a wealth of knowledge there.

526
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: But when when it came to code in the DNA,

527
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Speaker 2: like explaining function and code right, so he just explains

528
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Speaker 2: it through.

529
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Speaker 3: This is relatable for everybody.

530
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Speaker 2: If you have a phone app that is a game

531
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Speaker 2: and somebody was to say, Okay, now we're gonna do

532
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: random keystrokes and we're gonna try our best to get

533
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Speaker 2: We're gonna go from getting Booking dot com as that

534
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: phone app, and from there we're gonna get a TikTok app.

535
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Speaker 2: That's not possible. Like no coder in the world wouldever

536
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: say yeah, that'll work. That that's a good shot, Like

537
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: and that's just with ones and zeros right of coding,

538
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: and so you're you're talking about very complex, detailed coding

539
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: to create an app like booking dot Com. And what

540
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Speaker 2: he's just saying is random keystrokes will ever gets you.

541
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Speaker 2: Most likely, all it'll do is destroy the app and

542
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: then you'll lose function in that app and it won't exist.

543
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: And so our DNA is code, and our DNA is

544
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Speaker 2: what tells our bodies, Hey, we're gonna turn this area

545
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Speaker 2: into fingernails, this is gonna be skin. And it's all

546
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: the same DNA, but gene expression is different in every

547
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Speaker 2: area because of the code, because the language in ourselves

548
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: and in our body is telling our body, hey, this

549
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: is what the hair color is going to be, and

550
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Speaker 2: this is where the eyes are going to be. And

551
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Speaker 2: yet we look at ourselves and say, random keystrokes is

552
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Speaker 2: what made this. Random keystrokes is what made my body,

553
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Speaker 2: my height, my It makes me exist every single day,

554
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Speaker 2: and it replicates itself and all these things.

555
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Speaker 3: And so he just.

556
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole point being you cannot get this amount

557
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Speaker 2: of language without having somebody typing it right.

558
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Speaker 1: And you use the bike lock analogy there.

559
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Speaker 4: That was the probability of the probability of getting the

560
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Speaker 4: right code there.

561
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

562
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Speaker 2: I think it was for Dug acts Is. That's one

563
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Speaker 2: of his friends that is also an expert. I think

564
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Speaker 2: he's a molecular biologist and he talks about the protein

565
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Speaker 2: fold and for you to get it, it's like ten

566
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Speaker 2: to the seventy seventh power, right, you'd have.

567
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Speaker 1: To have seventy seven digits. Ye, your bike like code

568
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Speaker 1: with you know, zero to nine and trying to get

569
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Speaker 1: all of those exactly right in order to get the right,

570
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: exactly right formula there. That was an incredible section that

571
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Speaker 1: I thoroughly enjoyed. I absolutely love doctor Stephen Myers. But

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Speaker 1: one of the things when we go back to the

573
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Speaker 1: idea of design, in my mind, this was like the

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Speaker 1: mic drop moment of all the experts you have and

575
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Speaker 1: even that really brilliant. I don't know if he was

576
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Speaker 1: almost got a homeless man, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, the one of the beach, yeah.

578
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. But my favorite moment, the mic drop moment

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Speaker 1: but you don't have to do it alone.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's Jeff's that's Jeff's daughter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so, just to explain to the audience, you put

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Speaker 1: a bowl of rocks that had arrowheads mixed in with

602
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Speaker 1: it in front of his daughter explain what happened there,

603
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Speaker 1: because it was awesome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Berkeley Grider, he just talks about like when

606
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Speaker 2: he was a kid, he was picking up arrowheads and

607
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Speaker 2: even as a child, he understood this looks designed, that's special,

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Speaker 2: and then he would take it instead of the rocks.

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Speaker 3: And so we had Jeff's daughter go through a bowl.

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Speaker 2: We bought some arrowheads through them in the bowl and

611
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Speaker 2: we're like, all right, pick out the cute, nice ones

612
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Speaker 2: or the arrowheads, and she knew okay, and then she

613
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Speaker 2: started picking out just to display. Hey, this three I

614
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Speaker 2: think she was three or four at the time. Four

615
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Speaker 2: year old doesn't have to be taught anything. She just

616
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Speaker 2: knows how to visually see design. She's just you know,

617
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Speaker 2: picking them up and she's like, this one's nice, this

618
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Speaker 2: one's nice.

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Speaker 3: I don't like this one. Yeah.

620
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Speaker 1: And then but at the end one of the things

621
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Speaker 1: you said, she looked at them and then she asked

622
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Speaker 1: the quintessential questions. She says, who made these? Yeah, and

623
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Speaker 1: you're like that to me was the mic drop right there?

624
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: Who made these? This kid's three years old, she's looking

625
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Speaker 1: at a bowl of rocks mixed in with arrowheads.

626
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Speaker 3: She totally knows.

627
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Speaker 1: How to separate them, to sort them, and she knows

628
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Speaker 1: that somebody, somebody designed it. And think, I mean, that's

629
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Speaker 1: just an arrowhead. That's pretty simple.

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Speaker 3: Simple.

631
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Speaker 1: They could get more simple than an arrowhead. You know,

632
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Speaker 1: somebody just carved it into a point for the purposes

633
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Speaker 1: of hunting. Very very simple. And yet she understood this

634
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Speaker 1: is designed. Who who made these? And that was That

635
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Speaker 1: was a fascinating yeah section, Let's go on this other

636
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Speaker 1: section that we have. I love when you get into

637
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Speaker 1: the fossil record because that's another place where we have

638
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: a huge hole. So far, we have just a recap.

639
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Speaker 1: We've got the issue of the machines in the cell,

640
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Speaker 1: all of these complex machines working. How could that have evolved? Because,

641
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Speaker 1: like you explained, because of irreducible complexity, you take one

642
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Speaker 1: little piece away a mutation, does it generally tend to

643
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: make something into a higher form of being. Rather it

644
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: breaks the whole thing down. And then we've got all

645
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Speaker 1: of this coded language which we've since discovered. We didn't

646
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Speaker 1: even get to go into junk DNA. We'll have to

647
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Speaker 1: have you back. I love the whole concept of junk DNA.

648
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Speaker 1: I've written on that one before. Just very briefly. They

649
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Speaker 1: thought that ninety eight percent of the cell was just

650
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Speaker 1: left over from the evolutionary process. They called it junk

651
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Speaker 1: DNA because they didn't know what it did, and they

652
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Speaker 1: knew that the primary function they thought of the cell

653
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Speaker 1: was just a code for protein to help to build

654
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Speaker 1: these machines and keep them running. And then they discovered

655
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Speaker 1: through the Human Genome Project that started back in the world, does.

656
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, William Demski was already saying, So scientists that believed

657
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Speaker 2: in intelligent design were like a.

658
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Speaker 3: Decade ahead of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were already saying, like William Denski was saying, guys,

660
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Speaker 2: there is function to the JOC, I promise, And then

661
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Speaker 2: people were like, no, no, no, and then yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: right right.

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Speaker 1: It's it's left over. And then they discovered that and

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Speaker 1: I can't remember who you said, but one of the

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Speaker 1: one of the scientists you had on there, they've discovered

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Speaker 1: that the ninety eight percent is where all the magic happens,

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Speaker 1: doctor Grid. Okay, so we covered that very briefly because

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Speaker 1: I couldn't be leave that. I can't leave that on

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Speaker 1: the cutting room. And so, but the fossil record, this

670
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Speaker 1: is utterly fascinating. I've known from my own personal studies

671
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Speaker 1: in years past that what Darwin thought, he thought that

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Speaker 1: the more excavation that happened, that they would find these

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Speaker 1: intermediary species between what we thought was, you know, these

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Speaker 1: the single cell organism, we would see it developing. But

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Speaker 1: that's not what we see. And in particularly like in

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Speaker 1: a the Cambrian level of the Earth's crust, what we

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Speaker 1: see are these fully formed mammals right along side the

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Speaker 1: single cell organisms, and we see fully formed plants. So

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Speaker 1: the fossil record is not lining up with evolutionary theory,

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Speaker 1: is it.

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Speaker 2: No, And that's what Casey Luskin touches on. It's just

682
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Speaker 2: the Cambrian explosion. You have plants coming into existence with

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Speaker 2: nothing leading.

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Speaker 3: Up to them. You have body plans that just show up.

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Speaker 2: I think it was like fifty plus body plans appear

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Speaker 2: suddenly with no fossils of like simpler ancestors leading up

687
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Speaker 2: to it. Transitional fossils are either rare, debated, missing, you know,

688
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Speaker 2: and they just don't have like major innovations. So where

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Speaker 2: it's like, hey, yes, might the length of arms change

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Speaker 2: or yes, sure, but for you to go from hey,

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Speaker 2: I breathe oxygen.

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Speaker 3: To have gills.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's you don't see that transition happening.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, let's talk then just for a second. When

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Speaker 1: people ask me, you know, or if someone asked me,

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Speaker 1: do you believe in evolution, I'm like, well, we got

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Speaker 1: to define our terms here, micro or macro, So you

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Speaker 1: have like micro evolution would be more along the lines

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Speaker 1: of natural selection that we're adapting within our species. And

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Speaker 1: you had the example of the polar bear there, which

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Speaker 1: I thought was really did you Yeah, you said some

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Speaker 1: things about the polar bear that I didn't know, but

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Speaker 1: you see an adaption within a species. But it's still

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Speaker 1: a bear, you know, it didn't.

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Speaker 3: It didn't.

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Speaker 1: The bear does not be Yeah, it's not a wolf,

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Speaker 1: it's not a rhinoceros. It's not a woman or a man.

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Speaker 2: It's not even going from reptile to mammal.

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Speaker 1: No, No, it's it's it's almost as you know, God

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Speaker 1: created us after each and every one of us, after

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Speaker 1: our kind, like the each species after its kind. So

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Speaker 1: this idea of micro evolution is observable. I think we

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Speaker 1: can you know, I think most people are on should

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Speaker 1: be on board, but that we can see that you're

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Speaker 1: denying reality if you deny that. But macro evolution is

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Speaker 1: the idea of jumping between species. And one of the

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Speaker 1: things you pointed out in the video series had to

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Speaker 1: do with the T shirt. You shared the T shirt with.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've got the ape and like, you've got

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Speaker 1: all of these incremental advances where the eight becomes looks

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Speaker 1: you start standing up more and becomes more and more.

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Speaker 1: They're like, what seven different seven or eight different iterations

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Speaker 1: of this creature and then suddenly it's a fully.

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Speaker 3: Functioning modern human.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Homo sapien man and so. But those are just

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Speaker 1: artists renderings. They have not found that fossil record, have they.

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Speaker 1: I mean what you talked about Lucy a little bit,

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Speaker 1: but the fossil record doesn't It is not in line

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Speaker 1: with the T shirt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So again, I'm not the expert, so I probably wouldn't

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Speaker 2: be able to say it in the ways that Casey

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Speaker 2: says it right and the other people that they do

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Speaker 2: the research with.

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Speaker 3: But yes, like the.

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Speaker 2: Whole idea of us being these close relatives are coming

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Speaker 2: from them, that's not proven. Those are just thoughts like that,

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Speaker 2: Those are just theories. Even even the case where recently

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this, but the Journal

740
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Speaker 2: of Nature they came out with, and that's the scientific journal,

741
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Speaker 2: very prevalent one, and they admitted that chimpanzees are not

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Speaker 2: ninety nine percent in correlation with human DNA. It's actually

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Speaker 2: about like eighty five percent. And that's a drastic difference.

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Speaker 2: That's about that's fourteen percent off. Wow. Yeah, And so

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Speaker 2: Casey actually reached out to the Smithsonian because they have

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Speaker 2: it as ninety nine percent, and that's what's always made

747
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Speaker 2: people say.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, we must have come from them.

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Speaker 2: If we're ninety nine percent, ninety nine is basically one

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Speaker 2: hundred in most people's books, right, Yeah, And so to say,

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Speaker 2: hold on, no, we're actually very very different than like

752
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Speaker 2: we're this isn't close.

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Speaker 3: We're we're actually probably just as closer.

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Speaker 2: Within like rats and other things like pigs, and so, yeah,

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Speaker 2: like the idea to say, hey, just imagine it. It's

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Speaker 2: a lot easier when you're telling people we're nine you know,

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Speaker 2: and it's not the case at all.

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Speaker 1: I learned so much going through this. Tell us what

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Speaker 1: are your plans going forward? Are you going to do

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00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: some new series here? Do you have some new questions

761
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: that you want to dig into because.

762
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Speaker 2: We want to do so so that everybody knows the

763
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 2: science dilemma. When we created it, we created it basically

764
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: a docuseriies that comes alongside curriculum, right, So we make

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Speaker 2: it for it so churches, youth groups, homeschools can all

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Speaker 2: use it, and Christian schools. We're re editing it now

767
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Speaker 2: to take it to like mass production for like actual film,

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Speaker 2: So we'll just change it and format it so that

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Speaker 2: you can watch it on Amazon Prime and not have

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Speaker 2: to buy the curriculum too, just make it easier to

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Speaker 2: get discipleship resource. But we don't mention Jesus at all.

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Speaker 2: It's all literally very scientific and it's just to set

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Speaker 2: the ground of Hey, in order for me to get

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Speaker 2: you to believe in a God or Jesus being God,

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Speaker 2: you probably need to believe that there's the possibility for God,

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Speaker 2: right right, So that was the goal of this, was like,

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Speaker 2: let me scientifically show you guys why evolution is most

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Speaker 2: likely wrong and that there is likely a designer. We

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Speaker 2: don't even say God, we say that there's somebody somewhere

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Speaker 2: designed this.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: The next one would be very.

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Speaker 1: Christian, Yeah, it would be would be the next step.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, would I want to again partner alongside experts from scientists, apologists.

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Speaker 3: So we already got some names that have said yes. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I can't say who yet.

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Speaker 2: And well, because we're working at we're on the funding

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Speaker 2: process of getting funding for it, so we're raising yeah,

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Speaker 2: and so it'll be along the lines of like how

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Speaker 2: atheism has died and Christianity is like now on the

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Speaker 2: rise again within your theological camps, your experts. I mean,

792
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Speaker 2: Alex O'Connor just came out and said Christianity is very plausible,

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Speaker 2: so like it's it's good.

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Speaker 1: He did. I didn't hear that.

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Speaker 3: He admitted. He admitted it reasonably. He said, I was brilliant.

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Speaker 1: I love to listen to him. He's very brilliant.

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Speaker 2: He said something along the lines of I think he

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Speaker 2: was being interviewed and he said, I am willing to

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Speaker 2: say that, like Christianity is more plausible than I've given

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Speaker 2: it credit for someone like that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean his interviews with William Lane Craig

802
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed. I mean, I love to say Lenox

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Speaker 1: job gosh started, I know you were a Linux fan.

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Speaker 1: True story Seeger's number four. Lenox was on the short

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Speaker 1: list of names for that kid. We didn't end up

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Speaker 1: going with it. I was in an obsessive Linux. Did

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Speaker 1: you see the God delusion debate with doctor John Lennox

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Speaker 1: and Richard Dawkins. That's another one, that one. I just

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Speaker 1: was obsessed with that and I adore doctor Lennox.

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Speaker 3: I was such a masterful he is.

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Speaker 2: What he does is he is modeling discipleship, not debate.

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Speaker 1: Did you see Okay, I know you only got a

813
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Speaker 1: couple of minutes left, but were on a Linux thing.

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Speaker 1: Did you see the video? I'll post it in the

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Speaker 1: show notes. It is so phenomenal. Where he was asked

816
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Speaker 1: Doctor Lennox was asked, why would you choose to serve

817
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Speaker 1: a creator god who forbade man to eat from the

818
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: tree of knowledge? Why would you serve a god who

819
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: would keep you dumb? And the whole crowd it's kind

820
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Speaker 1: of like silence, and it's like he's sitting there thinking.

821
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Speaker 1: He's like, ah, that's a good question, and everybody's thinking

822
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Speaker 1: did somebody get them? Did he get them? And he said,

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Speaker 1: I tell you why, that's a good question. I noticed

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Speaker 1: it was originally asked by a snake, and everybody just asked,

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Speaker 1: wars and I can't do it. He's got this beautiful

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Speaker 1: British ask It was originally asked snake, and everybody knew

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Speaker 1: that that was the original question, that was it. And

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Speaker 1: this guy didn't even know. Man, he just walked into

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Speaker 1: a trap because that one went viral. It's so doctor Lennox.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely adore him, and he's he is such a great,

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Speaker 1: great resource we have as Christians to argue for the

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Speaker 1: existence of a creator. This has been so wonderful. We're

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00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: gonna have to have you back on to talk about

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Speaker 1: foster care and about form theology, about Nick Flin days,

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Speaker 1: and all this other stuff we were talking about in

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Speaker 1: our pre conversation. We didn't give us enough time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to go watch the videos that you

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Speaker 2: told me about so that I can.

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Speaker 3: I'll email those have some takes on them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah in Israel. Oh gosh, all of these things we

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Speaker 1: could talk about. It's it's funny what happens when you

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Speaker 1: get a couple of neurodivergent people together on a podcast.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're good.

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Speaker 2: You're good at staying on tests because I just let

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Speaker 2: it ride sometimes and I forget, like, wait a second.

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Speaker 1: That's why my podcast never end up being in the

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Speaker 1: time frame that I aim for because I'm like, I

848
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Speaker 1: always get like, oh, that's interesting, and that's interesting.

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Speaker 2: That's what people want to listen to, you know, they

850
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Speaker 2: want the different takes.

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Speaker 1: A real conversation. You feel like you're flying on the

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Speaker 1: wall in somebody's really interesting conversation. So hopefully, hopefully that's

853
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Speaker 1: what happened today. But tell our listener where they can

854
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: learn more about you and go and watch The Science

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Speaker 1: Dilemma for themselves.

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Speaker 2: So the Science Dilemma dot com is the easiest place

857
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 2: to watch it and then find out more about the

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Speaker 2: Science Dilemma and the project and everything, and then you

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00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 2: can follow us on Instagram or YouTube at Science Dilemma

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Speaker 2: and then my personal Instagram is just Alan cp one,

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Speaker 2: so it's just a L L A n cp one

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Speaker 2: if you want to follow me as well, and that's

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Speaker 2: the easiest way.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Alan.

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Speaker 1: We'll definitely try to have you back on the show

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Speaker 1: to talk about something.

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Speaker 3: But it network both we'll talk.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Catherine.

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Speaker 3: Have it going, moms and dads.

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Speaker 1: I just love this conversation precisely because Alan and I

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Speaker 1: we aren't experts, and I hope that encourages you because

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Speaker 1: you don't have to be a scientific expert in order

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Speaker 1: to enter the fray. Now, admittedly, our neurodivergent curiosity jeans

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Speaker 1: may upper on steroids from time to time, and that

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Speaker 1: helps with the digging and the finding answers. But at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're really just like all

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Speaker 1: of you. We're parents, we're people of faith, and we're

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Speaker 1: asking the same big questions our kids are asking. And

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Speaker 1: let's be honest, this topic can feel intimidating at first.

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Speaker 1: Words like molecular machines and genetic code and Cambrian explosions

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Speaker 1: don't exactly sound like dinner table conversation. But when you

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Speaker 1: slow down and start digging just a little deeper, something

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Speaker 1: amazing happens. You begin to see that the story we've

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Speaker 1: been told about life arising from purely random processes, well,

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Speaker 1: it has some pretty significant gaps or holes. When we

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Speaker 1: operating inside ourselves, machines so sophisticated they make our most

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Speaker 1: advanced human technology look primitive. And when we see the

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Speaker 1: coded language embedded in DNA that has to be read, translated,

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Speaker 1: and executed like a software program, and we know that

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Speaker 1: this coded language must have someone who coded it. And

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Speaker 1: when we take an honest look at the fossil record,

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Speaker 1: notice that many of the neat little evolutionary storylines we've

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Speaker 1: been taught don't actually line up with the evidence. It

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Speaker 1: becomes clear that there are some very big pieces missing

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Speaker 1: from the Darwinian puzzle. And as Alan pointed out earlier,

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Speaker 1: this isn't just a philosophical debate. No, it's a scientific one.

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Speaker 1: And Christians, people who espouse intelligent design, deserve a seat

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Speaker 1: at that table. That's one of the reasons I'm so

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Speaker 1: grateful for resources like the science Dilemma. It introduces parents

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Speaker 1: and our kids to the scientists, to the arguments and

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Speaker 1: the discoveries that are giving us a much fuller and

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Speaker 1: far clearer picture of life's origins. But here's the big

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Speaker 1: takeaway I want to leave with you today. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to be an expert to step into these conversations

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Speaker 1: with your kids. You don't need a PhD. You don't

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Speaker 1: need to memorize scientific journals. You just need the courage

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, let's explore this together. God is not

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Speaker 1: threatened by curiosity. Truth never is. And when we walk

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Speaker 1: with our children patiently, prayerfully, and with the confidence that

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Speaker 1: truth will hold up under scrutiny. God meets us right

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Speaker 1: there in the middle of those conversations. So if this

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Speaker 1: topic has ever made you feel a little nervous or unprepared,

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Speaker 1: take heart. You are not alone and you are far

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Speaker 1: more equipped than you think you are. By God's grace,

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Speaker 1: you can help your kids build a faith that is thoughtful, resilient,

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Speaker 1: and yes even scientifically sound. And always remember God gave

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Speaker 1: you your kids, your specific kids for a reason. That's

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Speaker 1: because you hold the key to unlocking God created them

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Speaker 1: to be. We'll see you next time, Christian parent. Crazy

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