1 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and welcome back to the Josh Hammer Show. 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: Much to get to on today's show. Will he or 3 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: won't he? When it comes to the impending showdown or 4 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: non showdown with the Islamba Republic of Iran. Steve Wikoff 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: is in Israel to say to discuss possible options with 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Netanyahu. Trump is bringing India potentially back into 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the panoply of Western oriented nations. There are potentially huge 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: ramifications there when it comes to the Indo Pacific. And 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: also Professor Jonathan Turley, the prolific commentator and Love Professor, 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: joins us to discuss his brand new book out today, 11 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: Rage in the Republic, the Unfinished story of the American Revolution. 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: Much to get to in today's show, but for now 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: we start with the national conversation that still is, and 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: I speak of course, of the immigration issue. Immigration has 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: been front and center now in the national conversation for 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: at least a month, arguably more than that, depending on 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: how far you want to go back. And to be clear, 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: on yesterday's show, we explained how there are many who 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: either intentionally or maybe it's just a secondary tertiary side effect, 20 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: I happen to think, probably intentionally, a lot of folks 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: are trying to sow the seeds of discord when it 22 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: comes to the Ice Border patrol enforced operations in Minnesota 23 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: and throughout the country, trying to make you forget, ultimately 24 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: about the very reason that Trump's immigration apparatus went into 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: the Land of ten Thousand Lakes in the first place. 26 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: I speak, of course, of this multi billion dollar Somali 27 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: diaspora community fraud scandal, this outrageous scandal, this welfare fraud scandal, 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: this failure of American immigration, this failure of assimilation, a 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: catastrophic five alarm fire style failure there happening in Minnesota 30 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: that is directly precipitated Trump sending in this operation into Minnesota. There, 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: in fact, going back a month ago, when DHS tweeted 32 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: good Morning Minnesota, it was done in direct response to 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: the Nick Shirley utube videos. 34 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: There. 35 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: We spent yesterday the show explaining why you can't forget 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: about the fraud. And certainly we are hoping here for 37 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: more indictments, more investigations, more ideally a lot of people 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: in handcuffs sent off to jail. Heck, I can think 39 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: of a lot worse people to get a mug shot 40 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: of than ilan Omar herself, and then the woman who 41 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: apparently has seen her net worth skyrocket from mere pennies 42 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: to between forty to fifty million dollars by some counts 43 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: based on well, who knows zactly there. Hopefully we'll find 44 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: out sooner than later. So to be clear, you should 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: focus on the Smaldy fraud. Having said that, this disinformation 46 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: operation from the corporate media and their Democrat aiders and 47 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: the betters has been tragically to an extent successful, and 48 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: a lot of folks there who have hawkish or pro 49 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: enforced and pro rule of law sympathies. Even on the 50 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: immigration issue, there are a lot of folks who are 51 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: middle ground voters. Some folks who perhaps voted for Donald 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: Trum himself are starting to have second thoughts and they're saying, hmm, 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: this actually is not good. I've seen a lot of 54 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: folks in the rights saying that Trump is actually taking 55 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: a winning issue, because this was a major, major winning 56 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: issue the twenty twenty four election. Immigration. One of the 57 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: number one reason is Donald Trump wins the election. Turns 58 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: out that American voters, the American people, were not big 59 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: fans of Joe Biden sending it up to eight million 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: unvetted illegal aliens across the border. Turned out that was 61 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: actually not popular at all. So a lot of folks 62 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: have looked at that, and they looked at the current 63 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: Maelstrom and they said, oh, man, is Dald Trump taking 64 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 1: a winning issue, the immigration issue, and turning it into 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: a losing issue. As we've said in the show, there is, 66 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: to an extent there is some mixed data. There was 67 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: some poll that was featured on CNN showing that the 68 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: specific approval rating of ICE as an agency, according to 69 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: one polster that Harrian's on CNN was analyzing, is heavily underwater. 70 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: On the other hand, there is this recent New York 71 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Times Sienna College poll which is a very auspicious poll. 72 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: When the top poles in the country New York Times 73 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: College pole says, do you support or oppose Donald Trump's 74 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: deportation of legal aliens? Overall? Fifty to forty seven plus 75 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: three points in the approval direction, Men, for what's worth, 76 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: are plus nineteen. Hispanics are actually only thirteen points underwater 77 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: on that particular approved runing, a brand new poll comes 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: out and I think sheds even more light on this. 79 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: This is they pull from a polling outfit called Signal, 80 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: is one of the more reputable pollsters in the twenty 81 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: twenty four president election and was one of the closest 82 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: to actually getting the election accurate. Signal has this new 83 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: memo that this this new large sample size poll out there, 84 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: seventy three percent say that entering the United States without 85 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: legal permission is indeed breaking the law, including forty eight 86 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: percent of Democrats. The American people support deporting those here 87 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: were legally by a two to one margin. By a 88 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: sixty one to thirty four margin, American support deporting illegals 89 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: fifty four percent support ICE enforcing federal immigration laws fifty 90 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: four percent, fifty eight percent oppose defunding ICE. I mean, 91 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: we could go on and on and on here. There 92 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: is overalling evidence swing voters. Sixty four percent support deporting 93 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: those illegally back to the country of origin, fifty nine 94 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: percent of independence. So you're not even losing necessarily independent 95 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: or ground voters. Again, all this coming from fram brand 96 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: new poll from the polling outfit Signal, which is one 97 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: of the more reputable pollsters in the twenty twenty four election. 98 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: For what it's worth, the Trump immigration and forced agenda 99 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: has also been shockingly successful. In fact, corn GYP research 100 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: migrant encounters at the US Mexico border are now at 101 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: their lowest level in more than fifty years, since the 102 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: year nineteen seventy the Nixon administration. For instance. Here are 103 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: total encounters. So if you follow CVP data as closely 104 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: as I do, you're probably familiar with some of the jargon. 105 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: There are godaways, there are a migrant encounters. All these 106 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: terms talking here about migrant encounters, so encounters between border 107 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: patrol or CPP and the prospective illegal alien. Here in 108 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, in the height of the Joe Biden presidency, 109 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: two point two million migrant encounters at the US Mexico border. 110 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, a little over two million twenty 111 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 1: twenty four. It's a climbed to one point five million 112 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. Two hundred and thirty seven thousand 113 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: and change. Overall, the decline from the Byinarra high to 114 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: this past year twenty twenty five. When it comes to 115 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: those illegally approaching and hoping to enter the United States 116 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: of the southern border, ninety plus percent decline. Wow, So 117 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: it's happening and it's really working. Meanwhile, the polls indicate 118 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: that it's actually a lot more popular than the medio. 119 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: What have you believe? But don't tell Hollywood. Don't tell 120 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: Hollywood because they are out to lunch on this one. 121 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: We all saw the Grammy Awards the other night, this 122 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: stupid ice out controversy. There you had idiots like Billie 123 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: Eilish who are condemning the Trump ministration. There, Katanji Brown 124 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: Jackson horrifically inappropriate, sitting Supreme Corpts Justice. They are part 125 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: of the standing ovation for ice out outrageous, arguably an 126 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: impeachable offense. Frankly, Don Trum'm getting into a little bit 127 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: as well with Trevornoa. We have a montage for you here. 128 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and play this montage from the Grammy 129 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: Awards and this whole ice controversy the other evening. Go 130 00:06:59,120 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: ahead and watch this. 131 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: Before I say thanks to God, I'm going to say 132 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: eyes out, No one is illegal on stolen land. Yeah, 133 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: it's just really hard to know what to say and 134 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: what to do right now. And I just I feel 135 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 2: really hopeful in this room, and I feel like we 136 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: just need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting, 137 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: and our voices really do matter, and the people matter, and. 138 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: I say sorry, I. 139 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: Want to say I'm up here as a granddaughter of 140 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 2: an immigrant, I wouldn't be here. Yeah, I'm a product 141 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: of bravery. And I think those people deserve to be celebrated. 142 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: Every single person here. 143 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: John Legend, Phinias Phineas, Nicki Minaj is not here. She 144 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: is not here. She is still at the White House 145 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 2: with Donald Trump discussing very important issues. 146 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: Are you going to see Trevor Noah last night? 147 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 4: And a post she alluded that something could become well. 148 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: He said that. 149 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 4: He said that I spent time on Jeffreys Jeffrey Epstein's island. 150 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:05,119 Speaker 2: I didn't. 151 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: I mean, he's a lightweight. This guy is a terrible 152 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 4: I think he's terrible. I thought he did a terrible 153 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: job at the Grammys. I thought the whole Grammys was terrible. 154 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: I watched part of it. It's not watchable. But he 155 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: was a lassie host. I'd say, not as bad as 156 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 4: Jimmy Kimmel, but pretty close. 157 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: All right. 158 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: So first of all, Billie Eilish, my god, I mean, 159 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: Billy Eilish has had so much plasid surgery that there 160 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: is more more plastic on the face than frankly a 161 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,199 Speaker 1: Chinese toy manufacturing company. I mean, I'm looking at a human. 162 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: I'm looking at something else. I don't even know there 163 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: was that was I was a little odd in any events, 164 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: what are they talking about? What are they talking about? 165 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: And more poorly, who are you talking to? You know 166 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: this jindab outrage against Ice? Who is the target audience 167 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: for this? It ain't the American people. Again, the American 168 00:08:54,400 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: people overwhelmingly support Ice. There's some indication that you just asked, 169 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: like a thumbs up thumbs down ICE approval rating. Okay, 170 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: maybe the polling is a little mixed there, because again 171 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: this is this information operation has been to an extent 172 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: limited successful. That's why we're trying to rebut it here 173 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: Onta's opening monolog But at the same time you actually 174 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: get a little more granular. Is entering the US without 175 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 1: legal permission? Is it breaking the law? Seventy three percent 176 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: say it's breaking the law? Now this plastic Billie Eilish 177 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: would say no, because it's on stolen land, which is 178 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: some dumb, absolutely ransidly low iq. Didn't we talking point 179 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: about how America was actually land stolen from the Indians, 180 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: and it's this, and it's that it's so stupid. You know, 181 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: left doesn't really used to an extent, just a mental disease, 182 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: is it not. This is actually one of the reasons 183 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: that I knew my wife was a keeper. You know, 184 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: my wife when we started dating, she grew up in 185 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: kind of a somewhat more sheltered Jewish community, heavily actually 186 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: Israeli community here in Florida, which is where we live. 187 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: And she told me that when she got to college, 188 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: she began the University of Florida, she said that she 189 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: didn't that liberalism was not a mental illness. And soon 190 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: you said that was like, okay, wow, this is a keeper. 191 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: And I mean, look at looking at this grammy montage. 192 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: Is this not indicative of mental illness? You know, most 193 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: Americans like their country, darn well, thank you very much. 194 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: In order to like the country, darn well, you need 195 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: to have a country. In order to have a country, 196 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: you need borders, you need a laws. Stuff that really 197 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: ought to be pretty freaking self evident, shouldn't it. It's 198 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: incumbent upon trumpministration to tune this out. 199 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: Look. 200 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: I have no doubt that Donald Trump, Christy noahm Greg 201 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: Bavino todd lyons Tom Holman that all the folks were 202 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: actually calling the shots when it comes to migration. They 203 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: don't give a hoot, They don't give a you know 204 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: what about Trevor Noah and Billie Eilish and all these 205 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: other left is virtue signaling hooligans and malcontents out in Hollywood. 206 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: About that. So with that in mind, mister President and 207 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: your administration, you have to see this through. If you 208 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: don't like immigration law, you have a very easy, straightforward 209 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: way to go about and try to change immigration law. 210 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: You can lobby the members of Congress to change the statute. 211 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: What you can't do. What you can't do is to 212 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: disrupt an insurrectionary or anarchist fashion those who are currently 213 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: engage in legitimate law enforcement operations. The rule of law 214 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: is a very thin line, but ultimately is a thin 215 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: line that separates barbarism from civilization, from tyranny from justice. 216 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: It is indispensable to the health, security, prosperity, and flourishing 217 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: of these United States that that thin line of the 218 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: rule of law be uplifted and respected. Without it, we 219 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: are ultimately nothing whatsoever. Say to the break folks, and 220 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: on the other side of a quick commercial break, Jonathan Turley, 221 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: law professor and author of a brand new book, Raids 222 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: in the Republic. He will join us, stay with us 223 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: with the break, will be right back the other side. 224 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back. So we have a special tree for you 225 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: today on the Josh Hammer Show. We are thrilled to 226 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: bring on professor Jonathan Turley. You likely know him. He 227 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: is all over cable news, all over ridden media as 228 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: well as also a professor at George Washington Mercy School 229 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: of Law. And he has a brand new book out 230 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: today which I hold in my hand, Rage and the Republic, 231 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: the unfinished story of the American Revolution. So, Professor Turley, 232 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: it's a real honor to have you on here on 233 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: publication day, that's most busy of day. So thank you 234 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: first of all for joining the Josh Hammer Show. Thank 235 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: you you bet so, let's dive in here. I write 236 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: the title. I find the subtitle of your book particularly provocative, 237 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: this notion of this unfinished story of the American Revolution 238 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: a professor. As you know, of course, America has been 239 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: a shocking success and virtually every metric there, whether it's commercial, moral, 240 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: human rights, legal, political, it's been a tremendous, tremendous success there. 241 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: So I guess the first question is what exactly is 242 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: unfinished about the American story? And you're telling of the tale. 243 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: Well, you know. Part of what the book tries to 244 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,359 Speaker 3: ask Josh is looking back at the beginning of this republic. 245 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: We look at the figures and the events that came 246 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 3: together to create a unique republic. And I compare the 247 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: American and French revolutions. One became the world's oldest, most 248 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: successful democracy, the other became the reign of terror, And 249 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 3: the book asks why why did these two different trajectories 250 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 3: play out in these two countries? The United States was 251 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: the first Enlightenment revolution, a revolution based on the concept 252 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: that natural laws are given to human beings by God, 253 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: not by government, that you are entitled to those rights. 254 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: And the book then looks at what we will be 255 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: facing in the twenty first century, whether that republic can survive, 256 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 3: and it's not hyperbole, we will be facing challenges that 257 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 3: we have never encountered before, the combination of robotics, AI, 258 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 3: global governance systems. But also if you look around the country, 259 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: you hear many of the same voices that we heard 260 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 3: in the seventeen hundreds. I call them the new Jacobins, 261 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 3: after the group that brought about the French Revolution. These 262 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 3: were low level aristocrats, professors, journalists, lawyers who unleashed the 263 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 3: reign of terror because they lacked all those precautions and 264 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 3: limitations that we put into place. They allowed democracy to 265 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: become a mo biocracy. And you could hear these voices. 266 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: There are professors today arguing the Constitution is a failure. 267 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 3: Even the dean at Berkeley Law School said that our 268 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 3: constitution was no longer up to the task. You hear 269 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 3: these voices in Minneapolis and Portland and people saying that 270 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: we need to start over on their two hundredth anniversary. 271 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: So the book looks at those voice, those people, and 272 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: here's those voices and addresses them because we actually are 273 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 3: in a unique position to survive what's coming. But that 274 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: will only be the case if we remember what got 275 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 3: us here in the first place. 276 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: You give ill Professor Turley on ex at Jonathan Turley again. 277 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: Book the Folks is called Rage and the Republic, The 278 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: Unfinished Story of the American Revolution. Right here in my hand, 279 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: Professor Turley, thinking of possible threats well current and possible 280 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: threats to the American Republic here in the twenty first century. 281 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: There's so many threats that I identify. I love your 282 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: use of the term, Jacobins. I remember back when I 283 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: was in law school myself about a decade or soga 284 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: referring to the referring to the many robes Piers had 285 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: I had. Some of my colleagues were very upset with 286 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: my choice of words there. I remember saying this in 287 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: a classroom describing these these malcontents is many robes Piers. 288 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: So you and I very much of like mind to 289 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: making this French Revolution analogy there. So there's there's this 290 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: threat at home. There's also plenty of other threats abroad 291 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: to the American way of life, Communists, China, and many 292 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: other threats as well. There what is the single greatest 293 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: threat if you can identify one, to the enduring of 294 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: America through our twenty fiftieth anniversary this coming summer into 295 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: God Willing or three hundred three and fiftieth fourth anniversary. 296 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: Who knows what's the single greatest threat? Do you think? 297 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 3: Well, Josh, your analogy to Robespierre in law school was apt. 298 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: You know, people have to remember Robespierre was a lawyer, 299 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: and he first came to prominence arguing for due process 300 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: and civil liberties, and he became a monster. And that's 301 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: one of the things the book looks at is this 302 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: inateability of citizens to become monsters. When the rage is released. 303 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: It's very easy to start a revolution. It's not quite 304 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: as easy to end one. Now your question about the 305 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: twenty first century, I would have to say it's the 306 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: combination of robotics and AI. The book looks at the 307 00:16:55,880 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: expected impact of that technology and take even the most 308 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: conservative estimates, how many people will be put out of work. 309 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 3: Those jobs are not coming back, and we will have 310 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: to face this transition. Capitalism is uniquely suited to shift 311 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 3: productivity towards what I call homocentric jobs. But this is 312 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 3: going to produce a large unemployed and unproductive population. We've 313 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 3: never encountered that to this extent. And what the book 314 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 3: asks is what does that do with to a citizen's 315 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: relationship to the government. That is, you can't have a 316 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: kept citizenry and have this republic function as it is designed. 317 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: And one of the things I mentioned the book is 318 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 3: that the same year of the Declaration of Independence, the 319 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 3: Wealth of Nations came out by Adam Smith. It is 320 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: also that two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and that book 321 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: was not well received in Great Britain. It was well 322 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: received here because the Framers imediately recognized his theory of 323 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 3: capitalism is the perfect economic theory to coexist with their 324 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 3: political theory. They knew that if you don't have economic freedom, 325 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: if you don't have that ability of self development, self discovery, 326 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 3: you're not truly free. And the book looks at how 327 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 3: we can try to preserve what I call a liberty 328 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: enhancing economy based on capitalism. 329 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: Professor Johnthan Turley's brand new book is Rage and the Republic, 330 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution, and is already 331 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: extraordinarily high on the Amazon charts, getting everywhere that books 332 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: are sold. Professor Turley, one question that comes to mind 333 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: as well, So we're currently in the midst of a 334 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: very let's call it populist moment. 335 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 4: Now. 336 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is nothing if not a populist, not demigod, 337 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: but he's definitely a populars. I think he'd be poppy, 338 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: the very first to use that term. I myself definitely 339 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: have some more nationals and populist instincts depending on the issues. 340 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: I think that sometimes the sentiment can go quite a 341 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: bit too far. But suffice to say, I think we're 342 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: living in a very populist age. What is your assessment 343 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: of populism through the prism of American history? Of course, 344 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 1: Lincoln famous he spoke out against mobocracy and his Lyfcem 345 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: address there, So populism run a mock can be very 346 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: very dangerous. There. On the other hand, perhaps some sentiment 347 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: of speaking for we the people is appropriate there. How 348 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: do you calibrate that and how do you see that 349 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: through the prism of our now tween fifty year old 350 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 1: American history. 351 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,239 Speaker 3: Well, you know, that's one of the reasons for the 352 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: title of the book, Rage and the Republic. This country, 353 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 3: like many countries, is the product of revolution, and revolution 354 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 3: requires rage. 355 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 2: You know. 356 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 3: The book follows the life of Thomas Pain as sort 357 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: of a spine through the two revolutions. He was one 358 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 3: of only two figures to play a role in both 359 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 3: the American and French revolutions, the other being Lafayette and 360 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 3: Thomas Pain knew what it would take to bring a 361 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: country to revolution. He was the right just Rage of 362 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 3: the American Revolution. James Madison was the pious logic. He 363 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 3: knew what it would take to make a revolution into 364 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 3: a republic, and it was the combination of that, the 365 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 3: rage and the logic that produced what we have today. 366 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: And so there is always a danger that popularism can 367 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: become a rule by demagogues. At one point in the book, 368 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 3: I talk about the Athenian democracy. The founders didn't want 369 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: an Athenian democracy. The Athenian democracy, while it is often 370 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 3: heralded in academic works, was an utter failure. I mean, 371 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 3: it resulted in tyranny. It did result in a mo biocracy. 372 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 3: They didn't want that, and so Madison's precautions, as he 373 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 3: called them, were essential to controlling democracy. If you look 374 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 3: at the Declaration of Independence, it does not refer to 375 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 3: democracy or first a liberty, and the Founders wanted to 376 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 3: protect liberty. That's why it was the first Enlightenment revolution. 377 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 3: And so when you look around us at today, we 378 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 3: do see some of those voices that overwhelmed France. Those 379 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 3: voices were contained in the United States. But what worries 380 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: me is that many people today, including law professors, believe 381 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 3: that we should trash the US Constitution on our two 382 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: hundred and fiftieth anniversary. They actually want to remove the 383 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 3: very elements that got us here, and if they do that, 384 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 3: we will be in the same position as the French Revolution. 385 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 3: They want to remove those precautions allow for more direct democracy. 386 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 3: Change the Senate, either pack the Supreme Court, or in 387 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 3: some suggestions, get rid of the Supreme Court. All of 388 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 3: that is designed to make way for direct democratic action. 389 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 3: That is exactly what the founders warned against. That is 390 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 3: what becomes a mobiocracy. 391 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: Very well, says John and Chilliefows won't final signed his 392 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: new book Each in the Republic, The Unfinished Story of 393 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: the American Revolution. Go ahead and check it out. Presentorially, 394 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: you are a national treasure. Congratulations in the new book lunch, 395 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining the Josh Hammer Show today. 396 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 3: Thank you, Josh, great honor, Thank you. 397 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: Stay with us. Books will be right back on the 398 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: other side. Welcome back. So a lot happening on the 399 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: domestic front, this whole disinformation operation about ice. John the 400 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: truly really gracious for him to join the show. There's 401 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: a lot happening on the internation front as well, and 402 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: that is where we will take our attention and direct 403 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: our gaze for the remainder of today's program the Middle East. 404 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: We begin in the Middle East. There has been this 405 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: will he won't heed debate for Donald Trump and Iran 406 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: for weeks now. Donald Trump set a pretty clear red 407 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: line during the recent uprising boy the running people against 408 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: their despotic, tyrannical Islamist regime on True Social in the 409 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: first days of the year twenty twenty six, about a 410 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: week or so into this organic, lowercase de democratic uprising, 411 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: Trump said that if the regime starts to kill Iranians, 412 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: then he will take action. He said that in unmistakable terms. 413 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: About two weeks after that round January fourteenth, fifteen sixteenth. 414 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: Around then he doubled down and he encouraged Iranians to 415 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: go to the streets to try to take back their 416 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: institutions because help is on the way. And then he 417 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: ended that True Social post by saying, miga or make 418 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 1: Iran great again. And we now know that that exactly 419 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: what happened, that the Irani regime over the course of 420 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: those roughly two weeks, they turn off the internet in Iran. 421 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: There was some internet thanks to Elon Musk's amazing Starlink, 422 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: but during those blackout periods of no internet, no phone 423 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: no access. They turned their guns on their own people 424 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: in an unspeakable, savage way. It's very difficult, perhaps impossible, 425 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: to get the actual number of deaths that have happened 426 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: in Iran over the past month or so. But the 427 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: now more conservative estimates conservative vestments, so the lower estimates 428 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: have that number anywhere between twenty five and forty thousand. 429 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: There are some saying it could be as high this 430 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: latest off heard it could be some substanding could be 431 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: as high as eighty to one hundred thousand. That's a 432 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: lot of people. That is a lot of people gunned 433 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: down by their own regime in a few day span. 434 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: Imagine what that looks like in practice. Can you imagine? 435 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: I mean here in America, we can't even imagine that. 436 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: It's such a foreign concept, that level of just sheer, 437 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: utter human depravity from one another, let alone from a 438 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: government on its own people. It's revolting. Now again, we're 439 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: not big fans, and we've said over and over here 440 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,479 Speaker 1: we're not big fans of red line diplomacy. We are 441 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: big fans of Teddy Roosevelt. Speak softly and carry a 442 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: big stick, maxim I believe firmly in the Hamiltonian noce 443 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: in advance in the Federal's papers of secrecy and dispatch 444 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: in the Commander in Chief this notion that you should 445 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: weigh and deliberate privately and then ultimately choose a course 446 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: of conduct. But the administration has for now put a 447 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: lot of assets in place in the Persian Golf in 448 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: the Middle East. The USS Abraham Lincoln Aircraft Carrier Strike 449 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: Group finally arrived in the Persian Golf this past Friday. 450 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: It was on a long journey from the China area. 451 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: There in the Indo Pacific in the Far East is 452 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: now there. In the US, the US, furthermore is putting 453 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: up a lot more of our thad air defense, missle 454 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: defense infrastructure there, trying to defend our allies and also 455 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: our own troops and the event of an attack on Ron, 456 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: to uphold and force Donald Trump's redline. On the other hand, 457 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: Steve Whitkoff, who's Donald Trump's special envoy not just the 458 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: Milias but really all around. Steve Wikoff has more isolationist inclinations. 459 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,159 Speaker 1: He also has a bit of a Qatar problem for 460 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: being very candid here. There are some not so savory 461 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: details about possible coruption when it comes to the Wickcoff 462 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: family and Katar, but Wikoff also comes from the more 463 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson sympathetic wing of the broader movements of this 464 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: hardline isolation swing. He doesn't share Tucker's anti Semitism. I 465 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: presumed Wikoff is himself Jewish, but at least he holds 466 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: some similar isolation as inclinations. So Wikoff is in or 467 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: was in Israel today, was in Israel today to meet 468 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: with Primus Netanyah, who this is all in in advance 469 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: of a meeting with Abbas Arkachi, who is the Foreign 470 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: Minister of the Islamic propublic of Ronin himself. Wikoff is 471 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: meeting with the Iranian Foreign Minister this Friday in Turkey 472 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: in the city of Istanbul. Apparently you could see other 473 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: countries like Katar, Pakistan, each of etc. Who might attend 474 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: this meeting on Friday. And we don't know exactly what 475 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,400 Speaker 1: we said yet in this meeting between Wikoff and Netanyahu. 476 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: What we do know is that there is something of 477 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 1: a leak campaign happening from folks inside the White House, 478 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: or at least close to the White House. I have 479 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: my suspicions as to those folks might be there's now 480 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: a leak campaign trying to get Donald Trump to back 481 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: away from this. So there was an interesting article that 482 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: was published this morning in Axios, and this is published 483 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: under the buyer the double byline of Barack Ravid and 484 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: Mark Kaputta. Barackravid was one of the Biden administrations actually 485 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: preferred leakers when it came to anti Netsniahu propaganda. That's 486 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: one of the bidministration's favorite journalists to leak information to. 487 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: Apparently now he is still the favorite journalist to leak 488 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: similar information to when it comes to let's call the 489 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: anti Israel, anti Netia who faction within Donald Trump's own administration. 490 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: So this this piece that came out in Axious this 491 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: morning basically said that although Donald Trump heads into these 492 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: wikkoff ron tals Friday with significant leverage, US officials are 493 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: quote skeptical that a Ron supreme leader is willing to 494 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 1: go anywhere close, but they're also skeptical of doing any 495 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: kind of military operation. Is specifically, what you have here 496 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: is you have a handful officials who are leaking like 497 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: a sieve to barackra Vide and saying that they don't 498 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: think that this is going to end well. They are 499 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 1: skeptical that this is going to actually result in a 500 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: positive implication. Three of Trump's advisors say they think launching 501 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: a military option now wouldn't be the right way to go. 502 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: One of them said that skepticism holds from many in 503 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: Trump's close orbit. So there are folks who are leaking 504 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: like a sieves. I think that's the first thing to 505 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: say here is who is leaking to try to undermine 506 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: the Trump administration's deliberation and their decision making the passing? 507 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: I mean, is it coming from the Vice President's office 508 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: as many seem to suspect. There's no confirmation of that, 509 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: but that's certainly a very popular rumor or at least in 510 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: my circles or a lot of folks who suspect that. 511 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: Is it coming from other folks, maybe at the Pentagon, 512 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: maybe at States? Who knows. Chances at State are less 513 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: likely because Mark Ruby and Donald Trump seem to be 514 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: so closely aligned on these issues there. But wherever it's 515 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 1: coming from, it's not helpful. It's not helpful at all. 516 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: The President of United States should be able to have conversations, 517 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: can deleane in private without the risk of it being leaked. 518 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: It's been happening over over and over again. It's been 519 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: an extremely leaky administration, especially when it comes to foreign policy. 520 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it one bit. 521 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: I actually hate it. And hopefully Susie Wild's chief of staff, 522 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: whoever it is, who is empowered, should be trying to 523 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: crack down on these leaks, because these leaks, while they 524 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: are purporting to speak on behalf of some cabal or click, 525 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: they're purporting to speak to defend the American national interest 526 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: or whatever they think in their in their adult brain minds, 527 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: they're not. They're undermining their boss. They're undermined the administration 528 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: to whom they serve. It's bad and it should stop. 529 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: As the question as to where to go from here 530 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: with Iran, look, President Trump has a largely boxed himself 531 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 1: in at this point. I just a few minutes ago, 532 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: this would not have been my preferred way to handle this. 533 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe in drawing red lines, but you 534 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: draw the red line. It is flagrantly brief, in historically 535 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: catastrophic fashion. When is the last time in regime just 536 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: turned thrown guns and murdered potentially corner to some sources, 537 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: upwards of eighty to one hundred thousand people. Really, when's 538 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: the last time that happened. It has happened in our lifetimes, 539 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 1: maybe in Rwanda or some stuff of the Aharan African country, 540 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: but it's shocking you have that, and you'll Donald Trump 541 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: bragging about how he has this new modern twenty first 542 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: century armada, this aircraft carries strike group and all sorts 543 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: of other nuclear powered submarines and air defense, that all 544 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: this weaponry that's been going to the Middle East and 545 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: bragging about it, and now now you're talking about possibly 546 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: wavering and not doing anything. The consequences at this point 547 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: of not taking some sort of serious action our potential 548 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: are not potentially are are definitely higher than the consequences 549 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: of not taking any kind of action. Is there a 550 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: risk involved if you go ahead and and do some 551 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: sorce of like, of course there is. There's a million 552 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: types of risks. There are always risks in these situations. 553 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: There you could have US military bases in harm's way, 554 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: whether it's Alu Dad Air Base in Katara or elsewhere. 555 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: By the way, a lot of those other bases I've 556 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: been arguing for years really shouldn't be there. What is 557 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: the purpose exactly of a US air base in a 558 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: far flung region of a rock or Syria, for instance, 559 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: other than just to be bait. A wait, that's actually 560 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: literally what happened at Tower twenty two Military base in 561 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: January twenty twenty four. You had Americans who were killed 562 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: by Iranian sponsored fire. So there were risks for sure, 563 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,959 Speaker 1: but the risks of not taking action are greater at 564 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: this point because you ultimately make America then look like 565 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: a paper tiger. And whatever increased to terrence effect you 566 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: had from the staggering successful and Nicholas Mnduurro operation ven 567 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: as well, whatever increase the turrence that you had from 568 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: various other actions the Operation mid nine, hammer bombing of 569 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: Ron last June, that the terrence immediately goes away. Pudin 570 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: in Bolden, she jimping in Bolden, you name it, all 571 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: the worst acts in Bolden. Mister President, you have kind 572 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: of bossed yourself in here at this point, and you 573 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: have a real opportunity to make an even greater impact 574 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: historically than your current legacy, which is already historic. What's 575 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: just do the right thing when it comes to Iran 576 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: and ignore it for God's sake and root out these 577 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: subversive leakers who are trying to throw your administration up 578 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: the river. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. 579 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: Say through the break, folks, we'll be right back the 580 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: other side. Welcome back. 581 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: Well. 582 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: As Antron continues to lead up to a decision one 583 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: way or the other when it comes to possible strike 584 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: or non strike on the Irani regime in Tehran, there's 585 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: a lot else happening on the world stage as well. Russia, 586 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: for whatever it's worth, and it's worth unfortunately quite a bit, 587 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: has only increased, has only increased. It's raining down of 588 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: drone dimissials on Ukraine. The bloodshed Ukraine has actually tragically 589 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: increased US over the past week or so as a 590 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: piece deal is only further and further out of reach, 591 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: and that particularly word torn part of the world is 592 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: just absolutely awful. And I wish that we had better 593 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: news to share with you there when it comes to 594 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: the Russi Ukraine conflict. Unfortunately, there is no good news 595 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: to come there in that conflict for now. In the 596 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: med offing. When it comes to Iran, though, suffice to 597 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: say that Pudin would only be further emboldant when it 598 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: comes to trying to gobble up more of Ukraine and 599 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: slaughtermore civilians. If this red line against the moles of 600 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: Tehran is not enforced. We will see ultimately, of course, 601 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: in the not just in future, probably whether that red 602 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: line is indeed enforced. Another terrible individual in the world 603 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: stage whose conduct would be emboldant if there is no 604 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: action taking when it comes to Iran is Shi Jimpang 605 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: of China. China is America's number one threat pretty much, 606 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: no matter how you slice it. They are a number 607 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: one threat when it comes to civilizational values, when it 608 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: comes to geopolitics, when it comes to the economy, when 609 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: it comes to national security, when it comes to protecting 610 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: reserve in the American way of life more generally for 611 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: the twenty first century. China, I like to say, is 612 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: our first, second, third, fourth, and fifth Gradet security threats. 613 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: Everything else, whether it is Russia run North Korea is 614 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: essentially a subsidiary of the China problem. So the question arises, 615 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: how do we handle China? And there's a million approaches 616 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 1: to this. There's this whole debate when it comes to 617 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: the economy as to whether we should fully decouple and 618 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: try to get rid of all of our supply chains there. 619 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: Try to make sure our corporations are not dependent at 620 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: all on the Chinese consumption market. Easier said than done, 621 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: frankly in many instances. But not focusing on the economy 622 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,280 Speaker 1: for a second here and focusing instead on diplomacy and geopolitics. 623 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: It has been my contention and that of some other 624 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 1: conservatives for years now that one of the possible ways 625 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: to try to increase America's deterrent posture in the Indo 626 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: Pacific is to focus on the Indo part of the 627 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: Indo Pacific. I speak here, of course, of the nation 628 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: of India. Now, don't look now, but India just over 629 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: the past couple of years actually s past China when 630 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: it comes to the largest country in the world. Yes, 631 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: according to twenty twenty five statist six from last year, 632 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: India's population is now approximately one point four two billion, 633 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,359 Speaker 1: whereas China is about one point four billion, so it's 634 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: very close. And the third most populous is currently US, 635 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: the United States, and we are down at about three 636 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five thousand, So it's a massive jump 637 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 1: from the top two countries to third, fourth and everything blower. 638 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: But India is now the is now literally the largest 639 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: country in the world, and that's going to stay the 640 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: case for a while because China is still reaping the 641 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: demographic repercussions of their horrific, barbaric, grotesque, one child policy, 642 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: while India continues to have a generally higher birth rate 643 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: definitely than China but also relative to some of their 644 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: other pure countries. So it's only going to grow, and 645 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: India is very much something of a sleeping giant now. 646 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: America placed some some unfortunate bets when it came to 647 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: India during the Cold War, where they were seen as 648 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: being closer to the Russian Block. We placed our bets 649 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: greater in Pakistan, India's rival following the nineteen forties partition 650 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: of India and Pakistan. America's bets on Pakistan did not 651 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: exactly paid dividends to put him mildly, I mean under 652 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: some of the century. When we found out that Osam 653 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: bin Laden, who had more American blown his hands than anyone, 654 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: they found out that he was being sheltered in Pakistan 655 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: in the Battabad in May twenty eleven before he was 656 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: taken out by Sealed Team six. So America's Pakistani wager 657 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: has been pretty catstrophic. I think you would say to 658 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 1: put a wildly, But the leader in India for some 659 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: years now has been a conservative. The Prime Minister of 660 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: India is named Narendra Modi, and Mody and Trump have 661 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: had an on again, off again relationship for a while. India, 662 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: which is not an oil producing nation, was very dependent 663 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: on Russian oil imports, and Donald Trump last year announced 664 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: that he was increasing tariffs on India as a results 665 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: of their continued reliance on Russian energy. This is one 666 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: of his ways of trying to turn the screws on 667 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: Lamar Putin, trying to deprive the Kremlin of coffers for 668 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: its bloody, very bloody war machine. That seems to be changing, 669 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: because Nurent Mody putting on x on yesterday February second, 670 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,799 Speaker 1: that he had a talk with President Donald Trump said 671 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: it was wonderful and he was delighted that made in 672 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: India products will now have a reduced tariff of eighteen percent. 673 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: So the reciprocal tariffs, in other words, on India are 674 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: going down from twenty five percent to eighteen percent. Donald 675 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: Trump saying that this is due to the fact that 676 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: Modi is pledging to cut off Russian energy imports. Well, 677 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: it's worth the Kremlin official spokesman of the Kremlin saying 678 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: that that is not the case that Modi and India 679 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: made no such pledge to Russia, to the Russians there, 680 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: but Modi, for it's worth, seems very had with this. 681 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: He says. The President Trump's leadership is vital for global peace, 682 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,520 Speaker 1: stability and prosperity. India fully supports his efforts for peace. 683 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 1: So look, the proof will be in the pudding here. 684 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: But the US is at least for now bringing their 685 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: reciprocal tariffs down to eighty percent from twenty five percent. 686 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 1: Mody has also pledged to invest five hundred billion dollars 687 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: in the US, which is a serious sum of money, 688 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: roughly half of that that the wealthy Arab states the 689 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: Saudis and Morillis and katari Is pledged last year. But 690 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: still still no shortage of money there as well. And 691 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: then there were additional kind of excessive punitive tariffs that 692 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 1: Trump had put on India as well when it comes 693 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: to Russian oil imports, and recently, as recently as two 694 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: weeks ago, he's actually threatened to bump that punitive tariff. 695 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: Now seems that tariff is actually that secondary tariff is 696 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: actually going to be going away. Actually again, I assume 697 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: that India buys here. They were actually importing two million 698 00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,239 Speaker 1: barrels a day prior to Donald Trump's tariffs that start 699 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: to go down to one point three million barrels a 700 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: day there, but will go to zero. I don't know. 701 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,359 Speaker 1: We will see whether that actually goes up goes down 702 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,440 Speaker 1: to zero. Again, mixed information from the United States and 703 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and the Kremlin of lamor putin folks zooming 704 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: out the role of in point is this India is 705 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 1: exactly the kind of country that America in the twenty 706 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: first century has to cozy up to. India along with 707 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: other countries there such as Japan, the Philippines, South Korea, Taiwan. 708 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: Of course, this is the bread and butter of America's 709 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: Indo Pacific geopolitical strategy. It's true that America has limited resources. 710 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: We cannot be the world's policeman. China is our biggest threat. 711 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: And to the extent that we should be really kind 712 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 1: of parking up and putting a disapportionate assets emphasis and 713 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: any part of the world a hard military ascid emphasis 714 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: that is, it should be in the Indo Pacific, the 715 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 1: Taiwan Straits, the South and East China Sea. These are crucial, 716 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: crucial waterways when it comes to international commerce, international stability, 717 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: and we do not want Chinese gemity to gobble up 718 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 1: core American allies there such as these dispute islands between 719 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: Japan and China, between the Philippines and China, et cetera. 720 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: India again is the most populous country in the world. 721 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,439 Speaker 1: It is one of the largest democracies. It's actually literally 722 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 1: the large basic population and in some other metrics too. 723 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,800 Speaker 1: Its economy has been a sentient for years. For a while, 724 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: India was part of the group known as Bricks, the 725 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: alternative to the G seven Bricks, which by definition consists 726 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 1: of Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa. This would be 727 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: a huge coup if Donald Trump can actually get Mody, 728 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: who is a nationalist style conservative, someone who is very 729 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: sympathetic to Donald Trump. Modi, by the way, very very 730 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 1: close to whatever it's worth to prime Misnatan, Yahoo, Gia 731 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: and net Yahu have an extremely close relationship. India and 732 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: Israel have an extraordinary economic relationship when it comes to 733 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: everything from water to agriculture to military infrastructure. So if 734 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: you can pull India, which is right there on the board, 735 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: with China, which is a massive mass population there, this 736 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,239 Speaker 1: should be an anchor of America's Chinese return strategy in 737 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 1: the Far East. Think about what the Abraham Accords we're 738 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: able to do for Donald Trump in the Middle East. 739 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 1: In the first term. You bring in these countries that 740 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 1: essentially don't have a whole lot in common other than 741 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: a mutual threat. So for the Abraham Accords countries, for Israel, 742 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: the Yue, Bahrain, Morocco, et cetera, that threat is a 743 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: run in the Indo Pacific. That threat for Japan, India, 744 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,480 Speaker 1: South Korea, Philippines, et cetera is China, India and Japan 745 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 1: should be the anchor tenants of a United States Abraham 746 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,280 Speaker 1: Accord style alliance for the Indo Pacific. I love this news. Again. 747 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,959 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I know for certain that MODI 748 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 1: is going to cut India's Russian oil imports to zero tomorrow, 749 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 1: the next week or the week after that. But Donald 750 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: Trump seems to be satisfied, and for now that's good 751 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: enough for me. The proof is always in the pudding. 752 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,600 Speaker 1: But when it comes to deterring China and preserving the 753 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: American way of life. India should be an ally here. 754 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 1: Pull them out of the Russia, South Korea, Chinese fear 755 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: of influence in bricks, and bring them back into the 756 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: Western conservative fold. I love, and frankly I hope that 757 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 1: there was a lot more to come on this front. 758 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: Have a great rest of evening, folks. I hope that 759 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode of The Josh Hammer Show. We'll 760 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: be right back here tomorrow.