1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: I bet you've noticed there's something strange happening on the right. 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Candice Owen's now doing a three part hit piece on 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk. A lot of conservatives are 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: asking the same question, what happened to her? Josh Hammer 5 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: joins me to break down why he thinks Candace crossed 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: the line and why Tucker Carlson may be pushing the 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: conservative movement in a very different direction. Do you have 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: any idea what happened to candas owns, because I'm not 9 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: sure I understand. She's now done a series calling out 10 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Erica Kirk. After Erica I think was so gracious as 11 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: to have a face to face meeting with her, she 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: seems to have gone even more off the reservation. What's 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: going on there? Do you think? 14 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot to say here. The first and 15 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: foremost thing is that this is satanic, diabolical behavior. This 16 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 2: is really demonic stuff. You know the Book of Exodus, Joe, 17 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: it says very clearly, actually that thou shall not oppress 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: a widow, and the punishment that God promises for those 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: who oppress a widow. Towards the second half of the 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: Book of exodus is very, very harsh. It's essentially the 21 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: death penalty. You're not going to go ahead and make 22 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: a prediction that is what's going to happen there. But 23 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: the point is that this is about as low scum 24 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 2: of the earth behavior as is possible, And you're totally right. 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: Erica Kirk did fly to Nashville. She literally flew to 26 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: Candas's home turf to have this meeting. Apparently Megan Kelly 27 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: orchestrated this meeting. This is what Megan Kelly was saying 28 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: to try to defend or kind of pro peace bonafitez. Well, unfortunately, 29 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: Megan Kelly has proven to be the worst peacemaker since 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: the men who drafted the Treaty of Verside to end 31 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: World War One. I mean, this is this is staggerantly 32 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: incompetent stuff. When it comes to Candace Owen's Joe, I'll 33 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: be honest with about even when she was quote unquote good, 34 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: I actually personally was never a fan. I thought that 35 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: she wasn't delivering particularly substantive materials, a lot of kind 36 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: of prepackaged talking point type stuff there. She clearly was 37 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: less crazy, So something clearly snapped to make her go 38 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: down this rabbit hole. I don't necessarily know what that 39 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: is much or anyone does. I have my own theory 40 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: on it. I'll give you what my personal theory is, 41 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: which is that she started to really go down this 42 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: path in earnest around the time that Kanye West started 43 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: doing his pro Hitler pro Nazi thing, So it was 44 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: late September into early October twenty twenty two. We learned 45 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: subsequently a Tucker Carlson then at Fox News had edited 46 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: out some disturbing pro Nazi rhetoric from this Tucker Kanye interview. 47 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 2: And then it was about a week or two later 48 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: that Kanye West did this tweet promising to go death 49 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: Khan five or whatever it was on Jewish people. At 50 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: the time, Candas owns became Kanye's number one defender and 51 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: they had publicly become quite friendly. There were a lot 52 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: of images of Candace and Kanye together there. So my 53 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: own personal theory, again I don't really approve of this, 54 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: but I'm just speculating, is that it was Kanye West 55 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: who radicalized Canvas zones. A lot of Candas's rhetoric, if 56 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 2: you listen carefully, it's a lot of this emphasis on 57 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 2: the synagogue of Satan, obviously deeply anti Semitic language that's 58 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: popularly affiliated with Louis Farak Khan and the Nation of Islam. 59 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: So my own working theory is that Kanye West somehow 60 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: got a hold of the Phara Khan Nation of Islam 61 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: brochure or the literature, and then he passed along to 62 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: Kendae Owens. Yeah, I don't approove for that show. That's 63 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: my personal two cents to how he's sorry to get 64 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: down this rabbit hole. 65 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: No, I'm glad you went there, because Candace Owens seemed to. 66 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: When Charlie was killed, she seemed to try to say 67 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: for some reason, it had to do with her, and 68 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: you and I have talked about the text messages, the 69 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: group chats that we've seen where Charlie does say, you know, 70 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: if they keep it up, I'll bring back Candace Owens, 71 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: which is sort of a sarcastic threat. He was never 72 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: really planning to bring her back. So he brings that up, 73 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: in other words, to say, don't meddle in what we're 74 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: doing at TPUSA. You think it's bad that I had Tucker, 75 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: I'll bring her back, you know, which she wasn't gonna do. 76 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: You and I have talked at length about this. Charlie's 77 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: great affinity for Israel completely flies in the face of 78 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: everything Candace is saying about why he's no longer with us. 79 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: She's made allegations or assertions or I don't want to 80 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: say that she legally said that Israel killed him or 81 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: that Trump killed him, but she's made assertions that would 82 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: lead anybody with a brain to believe, Well, they're naming 83 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: streets after him in Israel, Well they must. That's what 84 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: they do when they kill you. They give you. They're 85 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: giving you awards in Washington. That's what they do after 86 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: they kill you. And again, somebody who, at least her 87 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: public persona was pretty rational, whether you liked her or not, 88 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: I thought she was fine, pretty rational, going completely to 89 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: the extreme. So let me ask you for your opinion 90 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: on this. Do you think that his murder on live 91 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: video sets something off in her? Or do you think 92 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: she always had this inner Because I don't get where 93 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: she's going. 94 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: She was going down this rabbit hole unfortunately for a 95 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: long time now. I mean, look, she started in my 96 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: telling the story in October twenty twenty two with the 97 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: defense of Kanye, and Kanye was going full Haitler. Candace 98 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 2: really escalated after October seven, twenty twenty three. For about 99 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: a year or so after October seven, twenty twenty three, 100 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: she was just saying some of the most vile stuff imaginable. 101 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember exactly when the Daily Wire fired her. 102 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 2: I think it was March twenty twenty four, memory stars there, 103 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 2: but she was essentially by by the time the Daily 104 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 2: Wire fired her, Joe Candace was essentially spewing actual medieval 105 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,119 Speaker 2: blood libel, like essentially saying that the Jews have blood 106 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: on their hands. 107 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: There. 108 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 2: It was disgusting stuff. I mean, I mean she was. 109 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: She was liking and promoting things on social media right 110 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: out of a nineteen thirties dur Sturmer Nazi cartoon. So 111 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 2: I think she's been She's been going down here for 112 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: a while now. Charlie's horrific, unspeakable assassination is definitely a 113 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: turning point because he was institutionally I think, as you 114 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 2: and I have priests discussed, he was one of the 115 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: foremost keepers of the coalition. Frankly, one of the foremost 116 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: gatekeepers of sanity. He was very very good, not perfect. 117 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I actually disagree with Charlie on some of this, 118 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: but he was very good overall at knowing how to 119 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: draw boundaries as to what is fair game for good discussion, 120 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: what is outside the tent, what is not fair game, 121 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: what is just bigotry, and what is just vile? And unfortunately, 122 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: obviously Charlie's death is a tragedy for a million reasons. 123 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 2: Not at least was that he was a personal friend 124 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 2: of mine, but one of the many reasons that is 125 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: so third of movement, the Maga coalition, all of us. 126 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: We lost our best gaykeeper. And it's no, it's no accidents. 127 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 2: At a month and a half after charlie'ssassination, Tucker Carlson 128 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: was doing this bromance interview with Charlie's lifelong arch nemesis 129 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 2: Nick flent Is, the leading no Nazis the generation Candice 130 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: Owens has only gone even more extreme more tom there 131 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: this particular so called investigative series or whatever the heck 132 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: she's calling with Erica Kirk. I have no idea what 133 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 2: she is trying to do other than just pure, pure malice, 134 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: purely just trying to cause pain to a grieving widow, 135 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: exactly what the Book of Exus says, absolutely do not 136 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: do do the exact opposite of that there, and I 137 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 2: guess she's chasing clicks. I guess she's chasing clicks because 138 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: the tragic part of this show, which it really makes 139 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 2: me quite sad for the stay of the country, is 140 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 2: that can this has not been penalized for the pant 141 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: that she's been on there. Her show continues to be 142 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 2: very popular. It gets a lot of views, a lot 143 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: of clicks. There are some metches of the show. It's 144 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: actually only gained a popularity. That's an unfortunate thing to say, 145 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: because it says really nothing good about a lot of 146 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: folks who are consuming this kind of horrific content there. 147 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: But unless until those incentive structures change, I'm not sure 148 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: that we expected course correction anytime soon. 149 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: Well, I wonder it is Josh Hammer. Go and check 150 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: him out Josh Hammer Show wherever you get your podcasts. 151 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: He's great Article three projects dot org as well. What 152 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: bothers me is that you and I both know just 153 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,119 Speaker 1: from adsheer, she's making fifty thousand to one hundred thousand 154 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: dollars per day just by putting that show on, with 155 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: all the millions of clicks that she's getting, and when 156 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: people like you and I come out and we say, 157 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: this is why I've got a problem with it. She 158 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: lied about the text messages, She lied about the meeting 159 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: in the Hampton. She lied about what the letter said 160 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: that Charlie sentinent Yahoo that's been released that basically he said, 161 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: we want to help you in Israel because you're gonna 162 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: lose the young people if you don't explain some of 163 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: these things. She lied about all of that. Yet if 164 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: you and I speak out about it, we lose hundreds 165 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: of nine thousands of followers because she's got them all 166 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: like mind numbed. So, Josh, why do you think in 167 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: your heart of hearts anybody would watch this hit piece 168 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: or these hit pieces on Erica Kirk and by any 169 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: of it. She's a plan. She's masad. Her father was this, 170 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: her mother was that. The birth certificate show at a 171 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: different time, they weren't really married when they said they 172 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: were married. I mean, this is such garbage it's not 173 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: even worthy of daytime soap operas. But millions of people 174 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: are gobbling it up and believing it. 175 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: Why so, there is a broader story to tell here, Joe. 176 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: The broader story, at least, as I tell it is 177 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: as follows. For a very long time now, there have 178 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: been a series of gaslighting operations against the American people 179 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 2: from institutional elites, from those in power in both the 180 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 2: public and the private sector. And my telling of the story, 181 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: this begins at least as far back as the Russia 182 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: Gate hopes, one of the great hoaxes in American history. 183 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: Then you get into the Molar probe, which gobled up 184 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: two and a half years the Trump presidency. Then you 185 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: get to twenty twenty and the biomedical security state of 186 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: this two tier system of lockdowns where Black Lives Matter 187 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: was given a medical exemption to protest, but normal people 188 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: couldn't go to church or sitting gag going out there. 189 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: Then you have the twenty twenty election, although that entailed 190 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden laptop, the collusion between Jack Dorsey and Mark 191 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: Zuckerberg and the FBI and the CIA, and in the 192 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: fifty one deep state spoos who signed off in a 193 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: letter calling the laptop Russian disinformation. And then you have 194 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: the Biden presidency and unprecedented law fair the attempt to bankrupt, prosecute, 195 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 2: and to incarcerate your top political opponent. So there have 196 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: been a lot of massive scandals out on the open 197 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: for which we have no accountability frankly whatsoever. And I 198 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: believe that that has caused a lot of people out 199 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: there to at their core lose the ability to trust anything. 200 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: To to add his core, really lose the ability to 201 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: separate and to discern right from wrong, truth from fiction, 202 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: up from down, east from west, good from bad, et cetera. 203 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: And when you have this level of entrenched distrust, I'm 204 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: not saying, well, I to be clear, I am not 205 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: saying a lot of that distrust is not deserved. A 206 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: lot of it is deserved, or our our elites are 207 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 2: our elites are terrible. But this is unfortunately, a very 208 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: predictable side effect of where the body politic, the electorate 209 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: just starts to lose lot, really any ability to trust 210 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: those empowers that when you hear the truth, a lot 211 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: of folks merely say that, can't possibly be sure. It 212 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: has to be the exact opposite action, because why would 213 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: I be told the truth all the beginning? For years 214 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: and years, I've just been lied to. I've been lied 215 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: to over and over and over again. There. So I 216 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: think that this is really the cynicism that a lot 217 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: of these folks but Candice really above all, she is 218 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: really really tapping into the cynicism, and it's unfortunate. It's 219 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: unfortunately because again, as I've said, I personally have lost 220 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: a lot of faith in elites too. I think a 221 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 2: lot of us have. Frankly, there's a lot of reason 222 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: to have lost faith in elites there. But there's a 223 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: big difference between losing faith in elites and going so 224 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: far down the rabbit hole that you can't discern a 225 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 2: grieving widow from being a complicit coponspirator in her own 226 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: husband's asassination. 227 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: It's Josh hammerd go check them out everywhere. You know, 228 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: something you just hit on really makes a lot of sense, 229 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: a ton of sense. The reason why we all started 230 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: following and liking Tucker Carlson was that he was bucking 231 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: the system, and he basically got fired because he was 232 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: calling out the elites that were doing that's wrong. And 233 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: Candice Owe's the same thing. She was bucking the system 234 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: and calling out elites that were doing this wrong, calling 235 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: out Black Lives Matter, making it a blexit and show. 236 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's why she grabbed our attention. But now 237 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: all they seem to have decided that everybody's wrong and 238 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: only I'm right, which is very strange because Tucker went 239 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: from really reliable source, really reliable guy that I like 240 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: what he's saying, like what he's laying down to Israel's 241 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: bad now and I'm not sure I understand and cut 242 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: her somehow is good. I'm very confused by the entire thing. 243 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: So let's let's go from Candas to Tucker for a second. 244 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: If you don't mind, why do you think he's doing 245 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: what he's doing. He lied about being detained at the airport. 246 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: They flew in privately into Israel, they flew out privately. 247 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: They weren't being detained. In fact, he was taking selfies 248 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: with people. We've got an nonsecurity footage. Yeah, he had 249 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: this guy on that lied about a Palestinian kid being 250 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: killed in the streets when Mike Kuckamie said that didn't 251 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: happen at all. And yet he still seems to be 252 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: firmly anti. It's not just that he's for truth, he 253 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: is anti Israel like to his core. Now, So, Joshuan, 254 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: you've got a guy like that that we all trusted 255 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: for so long. Has he always felt this way? Do 256 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: you think or did something change? Was there an inflection 257 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: point for a guy like Tucker Carlson that said Israel 258 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: is the be all and end all bad on the earth. 259 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 2: It's a wonderful question. And Tucker is where I focus 260 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: a lot of my own attention these days, because he's, 261 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 2: in my judgment, much more dangerous. Kennez Owens, at this point, 262 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: is I think easily ran off, you know, except for 263 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 2: the far far fringe, for all of us who are 264 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: so relatively saying I think Cannas is easily ran off 265 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: as a mental case, frankly, as someone who ought to 266 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: be in insane asylum. Tucker is profoundly more dangerous because 267 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: he is slightly more subtle, albeit it's getting increasingly less 268 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 2: subtle by the day. With the thing with Tucker is, 269 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: if you look carefully, Joe, it's really not just about 270 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 2: about Israel. He obviously clearly hates Israel. I mean, it 271 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: was about a month and a half, two months after 272 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: October seven that he was saying that Ben Shapiro and 273 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 2: Mark w. Levin want my sons to go die for 274 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: a foreign country. Then in April twenty twenty four, he 275 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 2: had this this infamously anti Semitic and anti Israel The 276 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: quote unquote pastor on his show called Isaac Munter, who 277 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,719 Speaker 2: is in bethelhemy. He's basically a hamas Pa mouthpiece. Then 278 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: later that year he had on Darryl Cooper, the neo 279 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: Nazi apologist, to basically say that Winston Churchill was the 280 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: chief villain of World War Two. That Hitler didn't mean 281 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: to guess all the Jews has had a lot of 282 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 2: these displaced persons, and you know what happens to displace 283 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,719 Speaker 2: persons there. He's called the Hebrew Bible aka the Old 284 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: Testament full of genocide. He said that Diedrich Bonhoeffer, the 285 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: great Christian martyr Bababaly. Charlie Kirk famously once said that 286 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: Turning Point USA existed to build an army of Deedrich 287 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: Bonhoffer's Tucker Carlston actually said that Deger Bonhoffer was actually 288 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 2: a bad Christian. He separately said to Megan Kelly that 289 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: the New Testament alone built Western civilization, which is rather 290 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: curious because, among other things, the Book of Levintkiss is 291 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: inscribed on the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia. So of course, 292 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he's basically engaged in this full 293 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: scale operation to not just rewrite Israel, but to rewrite 294 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 2: the Jews. 295 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: Josh, do we know? Why? Do we know? What happened? 296 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: Was he always this way? He wasn't that way on CNN, 297 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: He wasn't that way on Fox when he had a 298 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: show there, did some Is there something palatable, something that 299 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: that's actually I can grab a hold and say, ah, 300 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: I see what happened? Some Jewish guy did something to 301 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: Tucker because I'm not sure I get it, or Netty 302 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: he hates net Yaho, net Yaho do something to Tucker. 303 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: Do you was there something that happened? Or do you 304 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: think there's a always in his gut? 305 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: I have increasingly personally come to the conclusion this has 306 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: actually always been in his gut, and that makes me 307 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: really sad because, like you, it sounds like Joe, like 308 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: really all of us in this space. I was a 309 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 2: huge fan the guy. His monologues were absolutely must watch viewing. 310 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: I was a former guest on Fox News show. We 311 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: had very pleasant interactions. He was very gracious to me 312 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: over interactional with the years there. I was a huge, 313 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: huge fan of this guy. But after this came out, 314 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: I started to look back at some of his old 315 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: his old clips on Fox News and you know, in hindsight, Joe, 316 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: it turns out that he he platforms a lot of 317 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: suspect people. Actually, if you look very carefully, on a show, 318 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: this nut job Jackson Hinkel, who's got millions of followers, 319 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: he's an explicitly pro Commny, pro IRGC, pro Hesbola little 320 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: troll on Twitter. Jackson hinkels given his first cable news 321 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: platform on Tucker Carlson's old Fox News show. At one 322 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: point he actually platform Max Blumenthal, who was essentially a 323 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: Russian asset raised Zone just infamously anti American, anti Western, 324 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: viciously anti y Israel propaganda. So but the warning signs 325 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: in hindsight actually I actually were there. And my own 326 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: two cents, Joe, is that after Fox News fired him, 327 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: the editorial guardrails were essentially not there. So you can 328 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: basically just speak his mind that he's doing a YouTube show. 329 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 2: There's no reason for you to care about what Rupert 330 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 2: Murdoch or News Corps says or anything there, and he 331 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: kind of just let it loose. Now how he got 332 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: those opinions in the first place, I don't particularly know. 333 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: It's rather curious actually, because his late father, his late 334 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: great father, I should say Dick Carlson was a staunch 335 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: friend of Israel. Dick Carlson actually were for a while 336 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: to think. Tang to DC called FDD the Foundation for 337 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: Defensive Democracies, which among other things, is very very pro Israel. 338 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: Dick Carlson self identified as a Christian Zionist, which is 339 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: funny because Tucker Carlson, in his front his interview said 340 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: that he hates Christian Zionists more than anyone on the 341 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: face of the earth, which is just a remarkable thing 342 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: to say because presumably that includes isis Hamas, trans Tifa, Antifa, 343 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: black Lives Matter, you name it there. So it's hard 344 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: for me to say why he went down this rabbit hole, 345 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: but he clearly has, and his brother Buckley Carlson, who 346 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 2: runs an utterly abhorrent Twitter feed, clearly they're they're drinking 347 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: from the exact same fountain. And I get it. It's 348 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: more dangerous because Tucker has decades of credibility built in there. 349 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: He was an absolutely prolific and surgery journalist, a prolific 350 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 2: writer by the way, too, not just a broadcaster, an 351 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: amazingly gifted writer, just a very talented and smart guy. 352 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: He's no dummy. He's operating at a very high intellectual level, 353 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 2: so he knows exactly what he's doing there. Then, of 354 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: coortunately makes him even more dangerous. But the key thing, 355 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 2: Joe and I guess I'll stop heeople with the most 356 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: important thing to recognize about all these people and I 357 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: and to me Tucker is with the leader of this 358 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: whole pack, is that they're actually not just anti Jewish. 359 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: This is the key inside. They are deeply at the 360 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: core anti American and anti Western civilization. If you look 361 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 2: at what Tucker, he's really the best example here, if 362 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: you look at what he's been saying and doing over 363 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: the past few years. There he flies to Moscow to 364 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: give this sycophantic interview to Poot and Pooh actually mock 365 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: Tucker for not asking any hard questions. He does these 366 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: bizarre propaganda videos from the Moscow supermarket of the Moscow 367 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 2: train station. He gives two interviews to the Amir of Kattar, 368 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 2: offering software interviews, a softwa interview to the President of Iran. 369 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: He said that Trump should again Nicholas mcduall in Venezuela 370 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: because Nicholas mcdurea is a staunch social conservative. Now he's 371 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: saying that the Iran war is evil. He says he's 372 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: calling despicable and evil. I mean, he literally just defends 373 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: America's enemies at this point. He's just an apologist for 374 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: America's enemies there, and that to me actually ultimately is 375 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 2: the goal. And the reason that I think that he's 376 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 2: arrived at this conclusion is because he took what I 377 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 2: said earlier in our conversation. He took this notion that 378 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: America's elites are so rotten, which I agree with, and 379 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: he has taken that comically far to say that, Okay, 380 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: if America's elites are so rotten, that actually means that 381 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: America itself is rotten. America is actually a force for 382 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 2: ban in the world, and in true horseshoe effects. That 383 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 2: makes him strange ideological bedefellas with people like Barack Obama, 384 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 2: with people like Zoramon Done, people like AOC's that they've 385 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 2: come to see America as a force for evil in 386 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: the world. It's very very said. They'll get to call 387 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: it out for what it is. 388 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: More on that serious division on the conservative side of 389 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: things in a moment. But first, our sponsor for this 390 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: one is modern rugged, modern Rugged makes these incredible bags 391 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: that are made from I don't know. It's like the 392 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: best leather I've ever touched, and it smells incredible. 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I am for him interviewing everybody. 412 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: I want him to interview nickquents, but you better challenge him. 413 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: For some reason, he challenged Mike Huckabee more than he 414 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: challenged Nick Wentz by a lot. He challenged Mike Huckabee 415 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: way more than he challenged the guy from Cutter or Putin, 416 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: which doesn't make any sense. You get that opportunity, you've 417 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: got to ask the questions when you're in that role. 418 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: And we are seeing him taking on some people where 419 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: he's kind of a nice guy. Well he's a force 420 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: to be reckoned with his Nick quentis, who I think 421 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: is an absolute idiot. So I don't know why he's 422 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: doing it, but you're right. I think he brings a 423 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: lot more credibility with him because of who he was 424 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: in those monologues and everybody it was mustye television to 425 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,479 Speaker 1: watch his monologues every night. And now he's taken that 426 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: I think very good will and that credit that he's 427 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: built up with us, and I think he's losing it, 428 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, and it's going to be 429 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: a faction that loved Tucker, a faction that loved Candice 430 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: and hopefully there's still space in people's minds and in 431 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: their hearts for the truth. Let me talk about Israel specifically. 432 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: I think I told you this before. My grandfather was 433 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: from Italy, from Berry, Italy, and he was always going 434 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: on and on about Israel, and me, as a young 435 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: guy ten eleven, twelve years old, was always paying attention 436 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: to what was going on. Grandpa, Why is there more 437 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: war in the Middle East? What's the story with the 438 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: Palestinians and the Israelis. I'm not sure I understand what's 439 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: going on with Egypt and with Syria. I mean, I'm 440 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: constantly asking these questions. And one day I said, why 441 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: do we care so much about Israel. We're Christian. We 442 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: think our religion is the right one. You're Jewish, Josh, 443 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: you think your religion is the right one. I'm okay 444 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: with that. And Christians and Jews have always gotten along. 445 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: In fact, Judeo Christian values created a Western civilization, that said, 446 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: my grandfather said, but Joey, with his very thick Italian accent, 447 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: that's that a promised land to the chosen people. And 448 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: I said, ok so I looked it up. I wanted 449 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: to make sure that you know what I was getting 450 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 1: from him made sense. That land is supposed to go 451 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: to the Jews, period, That's what God said, and we 452 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: believe that and we go with that. So why on 453 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: earth can there be so many so called Christians that 454 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: have so much of an issue with Israel even existing 455 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: in that little strip of land over in the Middle East? 456 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: Can you quantify that from my very small brain as 457 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: to why anybody who believes like I do? And again, 458 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: I think Christianity is the right religion. I'm not saying 459 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: Judaism is better than Christianity. I never would say that, 460 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: just like I don't think you would say Christianity is 461 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: better than Judaism. But we get along, we like each other. 462 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: Unlike other religions, we actually can coexist. Why do people 463 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: hate that little piece of land? 464 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: Look, it's a wonderful question. Look, I mean farbia from 465 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: me to try to against the weeds of Christian theology. 466 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 2: But look, there are a lot of Christians Joe for 467 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: one reason another, who essentially view the Jews as having 468 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: rejected the Abraham and Covenants because they rejected what Christians 469 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: view as Messiah, Jesus Christ. And according to the same logic, 470 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: therefore the Covenant was broken with the original children of Abraham, 471 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 2: that this new covenant where the Church is the spiritual 472 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: successor to the original children of Israel. And if you 473 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 2: take that to its logical conclusion, what that means, according 474 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: to this replacement theology or heart or super session is 475 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: is that the promise is made to Abraham, including the 476 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: lands promise, are ultimately going to be fulfilled by not 477 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: his blood descendants, but his spiritual ascendants, which again, according 478 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 2: to these folks, would be would be the Church. This 479 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: has been repudiated though by a lot of people, including 480 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 2: the Catholic Church itself. I should probably add in the 481 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: Second Vagon Council in nineteen sixty five, so the Catholic 482 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: Church is actually formally repudie of this position. John Paula, 483 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: second Benedict, among other recent popes have not possibly been 484 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: clearer about this, is that what I just said is 485 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: not what the Catholic Church stands for. Despite a lot 486 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 2: of folks like this idiot on the Commission carrier John 487 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: Bohler trying to rewrite history. That's literally not what the 488 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 2: Catholic Church in its own words, has said. Certainly, the 489 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 2: late Great Charlie Kirk Joe would have endorsed every word 490 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 2: that you just said. Charlie Kirk was as an evangelical, 491 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 2: was very very much a Genesis twelve three kind of guy, 492 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: the kind of guy who believed that God will bless 493 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: those who bless the children of Visual and curse those 494 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 2: who curse them. And one thing that I like to 495 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: point out, Joe, is regardless of how you choose to 496 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: quote unquote interpret these promises in Genesis about God blessed 497 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: in children of Abraham, my point is that empirically, if 498 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: you actually just look at global history, it's actually literally 499 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: born out. And what I mean by that is societies 500 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 2: that are good to the Jews tend in turn to 501 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 2: prosper America of course, as the greatest example in global history. 502 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 2: And the converse of that is that countries that turn 503 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: on the Jews are never ever better off for it. 504 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 2: I cannot think of a single example, literally, not one 505 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 2: comes to mind of an example in world history that 506 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: was better because they turned on the Jews. It's essentially 507 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: as ironclad as the law of gravity. So regardless of 508 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: what you may or may not believe, what you may 509 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: not think as a matter of theology or biblical interpretation, 510 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: hermonoid es, etc. 511 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: Etc. 512 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 2: There it's just empirically the case. And this is actually 513 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 2: at its core, This, at its core is really the 514 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: reason that I wrote my book last year, Israel and Civilization, 515 00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: that I'm probably going to write another book on a 516 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 2: similar time, God willing and soon around the later is 517 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 2: that I speak out here, Joe, not as a Jew, 518 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 2: but as an American. That really that's the core. I 519 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: love my country dearly. I clared for Federal Appeals Judge, 520 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 2: I took an oath of the Constitution. I've written, Laura Vehicle. 521 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: It's going on the top of losvel I cherish a constitution. 522 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,239 Speaker 2: I'm born Abraham Lincoln's birthday. For God's sake. I love 523 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 2: this country so so much. It is such a part 524 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 2: of who I am. And countries that turn on the 525 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: Jews die. It's basically that simple. Again, it's a just 526 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 2: read history, open a freaking history book. So the reason 527 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 2: that I've been sounding the alarm so hard is not 528 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 2: because I happen to be Jewish and care about the Jews, 529 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 2: which I obviously do. It's because I care about America, 530 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: the Jews. The Jews are going to be fine. Thank God. 531 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 2: Israel exists, this is this is Jewish sovereignty, the white 532 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 2: spress we haven't seen in two millennia. The Jews are 533 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: going to be fine. They've been there here a very 534 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: very long time. They're part of the the cosmological transcendental 535 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: order of things there. The Jews will be fine. The 536 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: question ultimately is will America be fine? And that's really 537 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: what I've been pounding for some years now. 538 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it and it's a great question. Now, will America 539 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: be fine? I don't know. You see mom DOWNI showed 540 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: up in the largest city that we have, and he's 541 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: not only am I a Muslim, and not only am I, 542 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: you know, a guy who doesn't believe like many believe. 543 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: He's also literally using the words from the Koran in 544 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: his speeches now and Mohammad said and that he has 545 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: a peace be upon him in Arabic. I mean, the 546 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: whole thing is very, very different than what I expected 547 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: America'd be in twenty twenty six that said, I want 548 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: to finish with you on Iran. And the reason I 549 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: want to do this is I have been firm that 550 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: I believe it's America first for us to be doing 551 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: what we're doing. We know that Iran and Israel got 552 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: along very very well before the Shaw was kicked out. 553 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: We know that when the theocracy came in, the first 554 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: thing was we want the blood of Jews to be 555 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: flowing in the streets and death to America, death to Israel. 556 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: We know that's been going on for forty seven years. 557 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: Iran and this theocracy is the largest funder of terrorism 558 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 1: on the planet and has killed probably thousands of Americans 559 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: when you add in all the IEDs and everything else 560 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: over in Iraq and everywhere else. They're trying to take 561 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: out American interests and so on. And yes, they've they've 562 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: had this proxy war with US through Israel the entire time. 563 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: I think it's America first and is very clearly America first. 564 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: Why would anybody disagree with that? 565 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: It's a good question, I mean to me, it's pretty 566 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: straightforward as well. Look, this is regime, Joe, Let's not forget, 567 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 2: was founded on the four hundred and forty four day 568 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: hostage crisis at the USMC. That was the founding moments 569 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: of this regime. They have been trying to kill Americans 570 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 2: tragically quite successfully, in place like the Babru Barracks nineteen 571 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 2: eighty three, Places like those roadside IED's in Iraq in 572 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: the two thousands. There, They've been trying to kill Americans 573 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 2: for forty seven years. There was a reason that they 574 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 2: call Israel the little say in America of the Great Dan, 575 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: because they're specific, idiosyncratic strand of Sheite Islamism just despises America, 576 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 2: just utterly despises us. They hate our guts, and they 577 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 2: want to kill us. By the way, they want to 578 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 2: kill Donald Trump too. And the guy who's appear on 579 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 2: the Orbit sard that has actually now been taken in 580 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 2: an Israeli airstrike, which is just remarkable. Look, if I'm 581 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 2: trying to be most terrible possible, trying to steal man 582 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: the argument as I would, I suppose the argument is 583 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: that Iran can be contained. It's very Barack Obama like 584 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: they try to say, you know, focus on what's happening 585 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 2: at home there, trying to contain their nuclear ambitions. But 586 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: the fundamental problem with this all along is that you're 587 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 2: not dealing with the atheistic Soviets, where you can game 588 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: out on a game theory chalkward. You're actually dealing, as 589 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: Mark Ruby himself said this week, with theocratic religious lunatics 590 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: who actually are trying to bring is mister Apocalypse and 591 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: get their seventy two versions in heaven. That is very, 592 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: very different than the Soviet Union at the height of 593 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 2: the Cold War. 594 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 1: There. 595 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: Donald Trump hates Ron. He's been speaking speaking out about 596 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 2: this for really his entire adult lifetime. There was this 597 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 2: clip I saw this week of Trump giving an interview 598 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty calling for Jimmy Carter to use military 599 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: action to get those hospitals. Ild it yesterday and. 600 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: He literally said, we don't do it now. We're not 601 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: gonna be able to do it. And he was beside 602 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: himself like you and I are, and we were very 603 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 1: young then, only you were around in eighty but very 604 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: young watching him say it. He was so frustrated and 605 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: so angry that Americans can be treated that way, and 606 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: he said, we better do it now. We should have 607 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: done it. It might be too late to do it now. 608 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: So you're right. They based the entire existence of that 609 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: regime on what they did there. But more importantly, and 610 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: I think this is really important and disagree if you'd like, 611 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: I definitely want your take on it. This is so 612 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: much better than Iraq was. This is better than Afghanistan. 613 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: For America and for Western civilization, because the people of Iran, 614 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: ninety two million of them, want their country back. They 615 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: want to rise up and have good relations in the region. 616 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: They want to rise up and be more westernized in Iraq. 617 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: They didn't necessarily want us to go on their nation build. 618 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: Afghanistan certainly didn't want to. It's just a hodgepodge of 619 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of warlords. So do you agree with me 620 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: that this can actually work this time if we do 621 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: it right. 622 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: I strongly agree. Look, Persia as a civilization goes back 623 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: two and a half three millennia. There's a rich, rich 624 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: civilizational history there. Prior to the Islamist Revolution ninety seventy nine, 625 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: Persia ron what do you want to call it? What 626 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: was a fairly western facing country. I mean there were 627 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: women in blue jeans, smoking cigarettes going off to college. 628 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 2: Canvas is there. I mean, was the shop perfect, No, 629 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: of course not. But they were a very westerner line. 630 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 2: They were closely allied with Israel and various other Western 631 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: factions there. And it's very hard to get reliable polling 632 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 2: inside this country today. Job but what we can say, 633 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: based on the polling that we've seen is that a parality, 634 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 2: if not likely an outright majority of Rundians likely actually 635 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 2: a strong majority of Rudiance vementtally opposed vehmnenttly opposed the 636 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: Iatola veminly posts the Molas that they hate their regime there. Now, 637 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 2: does that mean that this is going to go over 638 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: smoothly in that it'll be a Madisonian Jeffersonian democracy by 639 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 2: this time next year. No, of course I'm not God willing, 640 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: but I'm not rid of that. But what I can 641 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: say is that it is emphatically in the American national 642 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: interests that a regime that has been chanting death to 643 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 2: America and trying to kill Americans for forty seven years, 644 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: now that this regime be deprived of their blisted missile program, 645 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 2: that they be deprived of their ability to make an 646 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: intercontinental blisted missile, that they could prove their ability to 647 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 2: acquire nucle weapons, and ultimately, ultimately, to a minimum a minimum, 648 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 2: give the Persian people a fair fighting shot to take 649 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 2: their country back. A country of ninety million people, it's 650 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 2: a big country, it's a west worn country. Iran could 651 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 2: be such a force for good in the Middle East 652 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: and frankly on the world stage. There it's culturally very 653 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 2: different than these backwater Arab countries, certainly very very different 654 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: than the backwaters of Taliban overrun tribal World War, if 655 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 2: gas end, it's a very very very different country. There's 656 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 2: a specious comparison because it's superficial where you say, oh, 657 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: no regime chance there, but you have to get a 658 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: little deeper, Joe, which sounds like you've done to your credit. 659 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: The comparison really kind of falls short. 660 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: No, I think it does. And to make those comparisons, 661 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: I think it's either disingenuous or they're just really not 662 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: very smart. And I wish that they would study up 663 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: and learn about it. The people of Iran have been 664 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: begging for this. They're changing Trump's name in the street, 665 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: They're waving American American flags in the street, and to 666 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: their own peril, they're dying because of it. And I 667 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: hope that there is a quick and swift solution to 668 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: where they have got a better future. And I don't 669 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: want to run the country. I don't want any ground 670 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: troops in there, don't want to like that. This is 671 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: not the same as the others. It's Josh Hammer. Go 672 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: and check him out. Article three. Project Dot Org check 673 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: out his great podcast, The Josh Hammer Show. I appreciate 674 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: you come on, give me the name of the book again, Josh. 675 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: The book Joe is Israel and Civilization, the fate of 676 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 2: the Jewish Nation and the destiny of the Western. 677 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: Go and get it right now. I appreciate your candidness 678 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: with me every time you come on. And let's do 679 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 1: it again very soon, my friend. Thank you. 680 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 2: Looking forward to it all right. 681 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: Brother, that's it for Unshaking and Unafraid with Joe PAGs 682 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: this time another one to drop very soon. Make sure 683 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: you subscribe.