1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Coming on popos. Is the greater threat to America? Is 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: it Israel or is it Radical Islam? I can't believe 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: we're even framing the question that way, but I'll give 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: you my answer. Attorney John O'Connor joins me. We're going 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: to talk about what do we know about the pipe 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: bomber and why has this case not been solved for 7 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: so long. If you're watching an x Rumbler YouTube listening 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: on Apple or Spotify, please subscribe to my channel. This 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: is the podcast. 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: America needs this voice. The times are crazy in a 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 2: time of confusion, division and lies. We need a brave 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: voice of reason, understanding and truth. This is the SUSA podcast. 13 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: Is Radical Islam a serious problem that we in the 14 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: West need to be concerned about, both in our own 15 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:12,040 Speaker 1: societies and around the world. It seems strange that I 16 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: would even have to ask a question like this because 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: its obvious answer is yes. We have seen example after 18 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: example of this. We have seen terrorist attacks and bombings 19 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: in our own society, in other Western societies, from Europe 20 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: to Great Britain to Australia. Of course recently the Bondai 21 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: Beach attacks, and we've also seen the attacks around the 22 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: world attacks for example by Bocal Haram, which is a 23 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: wing of radical Islam in Nigeria, and of course very recently, 24 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: in fact, just over the last couple of days, you 25 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: had the Christmas attacks on the part of the Trump 26 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: administration against ISIS in Northwest Nigeria. Here's Trump ISIS terrorists 27 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: come in Northwest Nigeria. I've been targeting and viciously killing 28 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: primarily innocent Christians at levels not seen for many years 29 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: and even centuries. Apparently Trump told Politico that he was 30 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: scheduled to do the strike on Christmas Eve, but then 31 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: he said, quote, nope, Let's give a Christmas present. This 32 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: is very Trumpian. And look the clashes between the Muslims 33 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: and the Christians. And I say clashes because the Left 34 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: tries to portray this as you know, some kind of 35 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 1: a political dispute. It's a land dispute between the settlers 36 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: and the herders. It's all very complex, and admittedly, whenever 37 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: you have a whenever you have one group slaughtering another, 38 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: the underlying circumstances are complex. The typically is not a 39 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: single factor. If you look at a civil wharf example, 40 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: was it about slavery? Of course it was were there 41 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: some other factors also involved because they were although not 42 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: as important, the slavery issue was predominant, and that's what 43 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: the eighteen sixty election was all about. It was kind 44 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: of a single issue campaign. And similarly in Nigeria, I 45 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: think it's very clear that there's an extermination campaign that 46 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: is being run by the Muslims to drive away the Christians, 47 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: take over their stuff, take over their power. So of 48 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: course there's a power element to it all, but ultimately 49 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: it's also religious fanaticism that is driving the Muslims. These 50 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: are basically caliphate men who are trying to take a 51 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,119 Speaker 1: society that's roughly half Christian, roughly half Muslim and make 52 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: sure that they establish Islamic superiority over that society. Now, 53 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: all of this is a little bit of a prelude 54 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: to the very strange comments coming from Candice Owens Tucker 55 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Carlston basically saying our big problem is not radical Isla, 56 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: it is in fact the Jews, it is Israel, and 57 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm not in any way exaggerating in pac Candas Owen 58 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: says basically that it's a kind of a siop, or 59 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: at least a deception campaign to make us worry about 60 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: radical Islam. That's not the problem at all. Islam is 61 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: not the problem. Neither is radical Islam. The problem is 62 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: Israeli control of American politics. Now, no one has ever 63 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: explained how this is even really possible. You have a 64 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: country Israel, with a small population, what twelve million, thirteen million, 65 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: and some of those, by the way, are Arabs. The 66 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: Jews are even fewer than that, and then the other 67 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: Jews are scattered all over the world. You have a 68 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: country with that is smaller that basically the size of 69 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: New Jersey, with a GNP or GDP that is dwarfed 70 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: by the United States, that has pretty good weaponry for 71 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: the region, but nothing compared to what we have. So 72 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: how do you explain how this tiny society, this sort 73 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: of rabbit, if you will, controls an elephant, which is 74 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: the United States, How does this actually happen? What is 75 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: the mechanism for it happening? It makes no sense to say, well, APAC, 76 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, and APAC is reasonably powerful lobby, by the way, 77 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: a lobby mainly supported by American Jews who see Israel 78 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: as part of America's interest. It's in America's interest to 79 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: ally with Israel. But APAC spending is absolutely minuscule compared 80 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: to the spending of many other lobbies. Just compare, for example, 81 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: APAC to the food lobby, or the business lobby, or 82 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: the defense lobby, or the pharmaceutical lobby. APAC again, it 83 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: shrinks to virtual insignificance. I also think it's pretty clear 84 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: that APAC does not have even a fraction of the 85 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: resources of say Qatar. I'm not even talking about the 86 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: collective lobbying of the Muslim world. I'm not talking about 87 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: absolutely well healed societies like UAE and Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, 88 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: which have massive resources. I'm just talking about Qatar by itself. 89 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: Qatar is able to give a billion dollars to one university, Georgetown. 90 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: They are able to give they are able to establish 91 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: controlling influences in political science departments by putting one hundred 92 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: million dollars there hundreds of millions of dollars. 93 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 3: Here. 94 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: Where is the evidence that Israel can or does do 95 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: anything remotely similar. Qatar has huge influence in media, huge 96 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: influence in Hollywood, huge influence in entertainment. Again, Israel Is 97 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: has nothing to compare with any of this. So the 98 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: whole notion that somehow there is a stranglehold of America. 99 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: Makes absolutely no sense. But even if you happen to 100 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: believe it, how can you say that somehow radical Islam 101 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,679 Speaker 1: is less of a problem, that radical Islam has done 102 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: no harm to America? Now, Tucker Carlson made this really 103 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: bizarre statement. He goes in the last twenty four years, 104 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: by the way, very interesting choice of very interesting counting system. Right, 105 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: It's kind of like saying, well, I don't really see 106 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: a whole lot of Nazi authorities starting my count from 107 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: nineteen forty six. Well, a very convenient choice of year 108 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: to start your count, isn't it. And the reason Tucker 109 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: chooses the twenty four years is if he would add 110 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: just one year, just twelve more months, he'd have to 111 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: loop in the three thousand plus casualties of nine to eleven. 112 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: He wants to start counting after nine to eleven. But 113 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: even using Tucker's kind of bog is counting, even using 114 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: his highly convenient and rigged counting system, there's been a 115 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: whole bunch of radical Islamic attacks. So here Stucker quote, 116 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: I don't know anyone in the USA in the last 117 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: twenty four years who's been killed by radical Islam. Well, 118 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: let's introduce Tucker to the two thousand and nine Little 119 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: Rock office shooting, where you have a guy named Abu 120 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: Abdul Hakim Mohammad, a US born convert to Islam, who 121 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: killed someone. The two thousand and nine Fort Hood shooting 122 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: by Nidal Hassan, the twenty thirteen Boston Marathon bombing, all 123 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: done by the Chechen Islamist. Well, it's a duo of brothers, 124 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: the Sarnay of brothers. There's the Chattanooga shootings, the San 125 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: Bernardino shooting, the Pulse Club nightclub shooting, the New York 126 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: City truck attack, the twenty nineteen Pensacola Naval Station air shooting, 127 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: the New Orleans Bourbon Street truck attack, and there are others. 128 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: And this is not even by the way, counting a 129 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: bunch of Islamic attacks that were foiled by the US 130 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: authorities and by the FBI and others. And so you 131 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: now have this very bizarre phenomenon where two of the 132 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: leading quote influencers on the right, Tucker and Candide I, 133 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: basically have become apologists for Islamism. They're not just apologists 134 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: for Islam. By the way, Sometimes when I talk to DeBie, 135 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: who's very much an advocate of the Islam is the 136 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: Problem philosophy, and I don't entirely agree with her on this, 137 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: and so we talk about it and she goes, well, Denesh, 138 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: you know you started some of this. And what she's 139 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: referring to is my book from two thousand and eight 140 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: called The Enemy at Home, in which I made a 141 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: distinction between the radical Muslims and traditional Muslims. Who are 142 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: traditional Muslims, well, these are Muslims that you'll find in 143 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: places like Bangladesh, Indonesia, which is the largest Muslim country 144 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: in the world. You'll find them many other places, certainly 145 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: in the Gulf Kingdoms. And these are Muslims who see 146 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: themselves as practicing Islam. They read the Quran, but they 147 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: don't support ISIS, and they don't support al Qaeda, they 148 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: don't support Boko Haram, and they don't support the Muslim Brotherhood, 149 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: and they wouldn't dream of launching a terrorist attack, and 150 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: they don't make apologias for terrorist attacks either. In fact, 151 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: these are people who deplore those attacks, while Western leftists 152 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: excuse them, rationalize them, and seek to minimize them. So 153 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: the point I'm making that I made in this book, 154 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: going back now almost two decades, is simply the idea 155 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: that not all Muslims are bad Muslims, and that the 156 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: traditional Muslims to some degree offer us an opportunity to 157 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: make some alliances with them, particularly on so called social 158 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: or moral issues. So when I hear Tucker talking about it, 159 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: for example, Islamic societies are really safe. They have law 160 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: and order, and they you know, they outlaw illegal immigration 161 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 1: and they patrol their borders. This is actually not new. 162 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: I said this myself, and I pointed out that there 163 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: is a kind of social conservatism to Islamic societies and 164 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: that is something that we can respect. Now that being said, 165 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: nowhere would I go on to say, in fact, I 166 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: say the exact opposite, that somehow radical Islam is not 167 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: a problem. In fact, my point is that radical Islam 168 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: is probably the greatest external threat we face now. I 169 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: would perhaps today qualify that by saying, we need to 170 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: really also be aware of the rising threat from China 171 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: that could potential end up being a much bigger threat 172 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: than even radical Islam. But we don't have to settle 173 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: the precedents between the two. Both of them really are 174 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: threats that we are facing in the West. And my 175 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: point is the threat of radical Islam is made worse 176 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: by the fact that radical Islam is embraced by the 177 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: political left, by the Western cultural left. The cultural left 178 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: has opened the doors for radical Islam. I mean, think 179 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: about it. You have a bunch of Somalis, for example, 180 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: who come to Minnesota. Do you think that they would 181 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: automatically know how to play the system and run their 182 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: fraud schemes. Do you think that these radicals who show 183 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: up from Afghanistan, for example, and are settled in the 184 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: United States would know the American political system, they'd know 185 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: how to manage their operations, build mosques, run for school board, 186 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: perhaps even conduct Giehati operations. No, they don't know any 187 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: of it. They are complete strangers in our society. Enter here, 188 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: the cultural left, enter the tim walls of the world, 189 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: and these are the people who show them the ropes 190 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: show them. Basically, this is how you establish your basis 191 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: of political power. This is how the money needs to flow. 192 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: This is how you set up nonprofit organizations. This is 193 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: how you contribute to democratic political campaigns. These are the 194 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: things that we can give you in exchange for what 195 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: you're doing for us. So all this access, all this 196 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,679 Speaker 1: entree into the corridors of American political power. All of 197 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: this is shown to the outsiders, the radical Muslims, by 198 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: the insiders, which is the largely white, ambitious cultural left, 199 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: that sees the Jihads as a stepping stone to them 200 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: and to their party, the Democratic Party, maintaining and holding 201 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: on to political power. This is the red green alliance 202 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: I'm describing. And so what I arguing here is that 203 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: we are facing today not just a threat ultimately from 204 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: the left, which has become the understandable sort of champions 205 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: of radical Islam, but we are now seeing an effort 206 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: to confuse and divide the right basically, not only to 207 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: say that we should pull away from our support for Israel. 208 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: That would be one thing. If there are people who thought, 209 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: all right, listen, what do we have to do with Israel. 210 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: They're over there, we're over here. We shouldn't be getting 211 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: aid to any countries anyway. In other words, we apply 212 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: a kind of uniform skepticism or even uniform disengagement from 213 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: all foreign societies. That would be a principal position. I 214 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: don't think it actually makes any sense, because we live 215 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: in a world where we have allies and enemies, and 216 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: to pretend like that doesn't exist is a certain type 217 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: of delusionism or utopianism maybe is a kind of way 218 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: to put it. But that would be one thing. But 219 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: that's not what we're dealing with. What we're dealing with 220 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: is people on the right, supposedly on our side. I'm 221 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: very doubtful that they are on our side now, but nevertheless, 222 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: what they're doing is they're basically saying not only that 223 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: we should that we should reduce our affinity, our affection, 224 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: our attachment political or religious to Israel, not only that 225 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: we should actually soften our stance on radical Islam. We 226 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: should not consider quote, criticizing Muslims because of quote, as 227 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: Struck Tucker puts it, because of their bloodline. Nobody actually 228 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: criticizes Muslims because of their bloodline. We criticize Muslims because 229 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: of their explosions, We criticize Muslims because of their terrorist attacks. 230 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: We criticize Muslims ultimately because the act in ways that 231 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: undermines our interests. We are, after all, Erica first, and 232 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: so I think we are dealing with for reasons unknown. 233 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: I don't think it's that important to probe the motives 234 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: here are like, what's really driving Tucker? Is it the demon? 235 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: Is it you know? Is he being paid by Qatar? 236 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: Is he simply confused? Is he simply an iconoclast who 237 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: cares the effect of what these people are doing is 238 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: utterly nefarious and is going to ultimately if it succeeds. 239 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to succeed by the way. 240 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: It shows no sign of penetrating the Republican Party, it 241 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: shows no sign of penetrating MAGA, it shows no sign 242 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: of convincing young people. Even the poll at the end 243 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: of ppusa's conference, where you think you'd find perhaps the 244 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: most support for this kind of thinking, but no, it 245 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: turns out that this is a minuscule, a very marginal 246 00:16:54,920 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: minority position within MAGA and within young MAGA. So utimately, 247 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: this may be a scheme for the for the to 248 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: bring a lot of attention, a lot of debate. 249 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: Uh. 250 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: And of course some there are some people fiercely rallying 251 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: to the defense of Tucker and Candace. Please don't cancel Tucker, 252 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: Please don't cancel Candace. And the stupidity of this to 253 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: me is that nobody is trying to cancel Tucker or Candace, 254 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: we are merely disputing the idiotic stuff that these two 255 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: people are saying. They're creating basically a two person cult. 256 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: They're sort of sidekicks of each other, even though they 257 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: seem to be moved. They move in parallel lanes. That's 258 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: perhaps a good way to put it. One of them, 259 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: Tucker being the sort of, as he puts it, just 260 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: asking questions, and then Candace, you know, the Candace Intelligence 261 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: Agency issues, just asking questions in her own way. 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What does this tell us about the 328 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 1: gold standard? 329 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. The long run price stability that we 330 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 4: see throughout US economic history reflects the discipline that's imposed 331 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: by tying money to a physical physical commodity in this 332 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 4: case in the US gold and silver. Gold can't be 333 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 4: created on demand like paper. It has to be found, 334 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 4: has to be mined, has been processed and minted, then circulated, 335 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 4: and that limits how much money can grow over over 336 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 4: a period of time. And so with more stable prices, 337 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,639 Speaker 4: households and businesses were able to plan for years ahead, 338 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 4: even decades in the future, because they would have confidence 339 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 4: about what their money could buy. 340 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: You know, if we look at gold today, some people 341 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: would say, well, gold doesn't do anything, It doesn't generate 342 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: income of any sort. You just kind of hold it. 343 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: So and yet gold has gone up dramatically in price. 344 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: It was under fifty dollars in nineteen seventy one, it's 345 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 1: around what four thousand dollars today? How do you explain this? 346 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 4: So the reason rising gold is less about gold becoming 347 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: more valuable than it is about dollars and money more 348 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 4: generally becoming less scarce. Since nineteen seventy one, the US 349 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 4: dollar has been only backed by institutional credibility as exposed 350 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 4: to being convertible to a physical asset, and since nineteen 351 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 4: seventy one, the US dollar has lost purchase powers. The 352 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 4: FED has expanded the supply of money more and more. 353 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 4: The recent surge in the price of gold reflects a 354 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 4: lot of concerns about inflation, which hit levels not seen 355 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 4: in four decades just a few years ago, and about 356 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 4: the US having thirty eight trillion dollars in public debt, 357 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 4: and so for that reason, gold's price history is a 358 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 4: record not only of investor demand, but of currency dilution 359 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 4: and worry as well. 360 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: We look at twenty twenty six. 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They are in claims on earnings, 365 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 4: they don't have cash flows, They don't make any government 366 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 4: promises or deliver any But gold's independence is very important, 367 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 4: especially during periods of inflation, financial stress, or policy uncertainty. 368 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 4: Precious metals help reserve purchasing and they reduce portfolio vulnerability. 369 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 4: So I mean they don't They don't work really as 370 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 4: a substitute, and they should be a substitute, but rather 371 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 4: they bring ballots. Fascious metals work is a compliment to 372 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 4: stocks and bonds. 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He represented Mark 428 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: Felt in his revelations that he was deep throat in 429 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: the Watergate crisis, and of course, John, I may not 430 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: admit this but his greatest starring role was in my 431 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: film Police State, where you can see him at his best. 432 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: He also has a website postgatebook dot com, which you 433 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: should check out for John's books. And we're going to 434 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: talk about an article that John O'Connor wrote about the 435 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 1: FBI and the pipe bomber case. And welcome, thank you 436 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: for joining me. You have this fascinating article, and it 437 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: doesn't try to cover the full dimensions of the pipe 438 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: bomber case. You address yourself to a single critical question, 439 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: which is why did it take so long? Why has 440 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: it taken so long for a case that seemingly could 441 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: be solved not to be solved. So talk a little 442 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 1: bit about the main thesis of your article, and then 443 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: I want to go into some of the details. 444 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 3: It took five years for the FBI to solve the 445 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: pipe bomb case. And of course what the New York 446 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: Times did is the slant it put on this was 447 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: ge whiz. All these so called right wing people were 448 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 3: claiming that this was an FBI set up and that 449 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 3: there really was no crime and the FBI had manufactured 450 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 3: it to make the J six protesters look bad. Isn't 451 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 3: this another example of wild conspiracy theories. My take on this, 452 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 3: Dinesh is completely different. I've worked with the FBI back 453 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 3: in the past. My father was an FBI agent for 454 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 3: a while and so forth. I know the FBI well, 455 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 3: and I knew as an observer of the FBI that 456 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 3: it was not trying to solve this case. It was 457 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 3: obvious they were not trying to solve it. And I'll 458 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 3: tell you why. So for instance, so Dan Bongino, for example, thought, well, gee, 459 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 3: this was an FBI setup. Well, I will tell you this. 460 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 3: The FBI was not solving the crime, that's for sure. 461 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: But it wasn't a setup. It was a real crime, 462 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 3: not a fabricated one. But think about this. You're going back, 463 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 3: go back to the times of the protests, twenty twenty protests, 464 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: and you have pipe bombs planted at the RNC and 465 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 3: the DNC, the two parties headquarters political headquarters. And it's 466 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 3: by a young black man. The videos show him being young. 467 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: He's a young black man. So you think the chances 468 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: are about ninety five percent just demographically we're in DC, 469 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 3: you know, with the ninety percent Democratic registration. This is 470 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 3: probably an anti Trumper, a pro Biden person, perhaps an 471 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 3: agent provocateur. The FBI and the Biden Whitehouse did not 472 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 3: want this crime solved because it would get in the 473 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 3: way of its January sixth theater to try to blame 474 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 3: January sixth, well, first of all, to exaggerate what happened, 475 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 3: and secondly to blame election conspiracists for all kinds of 476 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: attacks on democracy. So if this were an anti trumpet, 477 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 3: would have put a puncture, would have punctured that narrative. 478 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 3: So in fact, what happened, So what happens as soon 479 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: as Patel and Bongino get into office, they solve it. 480 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 3: It takes it's about eight months after they get in. 481 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: They have a picture of that, videos of the fellow. 482 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 3: They know he's wearing Nike Airmax Speed turf shoes. And furthermore, 483 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 3: they have all kinds of cell phone data. So here's 484 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 3: what's funny, Denesh. The the excuse that some people in 485 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 3: the FBI now give for not solving it is that 486 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 3: they did not know what to do with all this 487 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: self data. Oh, they were confused. They had all this 488 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: cell phone data just sitting on the shelf. They didn't 489 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: know how to decipher it. And boy, now they just 490 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 3: recently found someone who said, Gee, I can write a 491 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 3: program and I can decipher it and try to figure 492 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 3: out the cell phone use in this particular area. Boy, 493 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 3: isn't this great? Well, you know, they say that, and 494 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 3: this is the thing that's published in the mainstream media 495 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 3: to try to cover up exactly what I'm saying, to 496 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 3: deny what I'm saying. They used cell phone data to 497 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 3: track down every January sixth, not only every protester, but 498 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 3: everyone who was in the area. So I think the 499 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 3: FBI knows how to use cell phone data to track 500 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 3: down people in the area. They were doing it ridiculously 501 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 3: so all around the country. I was getting calls a 502 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 3: year later from people who had just been identified by 503 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 3: the FBI that were two miles away from the Capitol, 504 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 3: and the FBI was asking them what they were doing, 505 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 3: and they're telling us they couldn't have found this guy. 506 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 3: They had his picture. If you just go look for 507 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 3: the Nike shoes, they're only twenty five thousand of them 508 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 3: sold in over four years, very few in the DC area, 509 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 3: and very few for someone who wears who's five foot 510 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 3: seven and wears a smaller shoe, So that would have 511 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 3: narrowed your search down to a few hundred people. So 512 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: you had the serial numbers on the pipe bombs, on 513 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 3: the pipes themselves, on the pipe bombs themselves, you could 514 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 3: have located where the pipe bombs were purchased. This is ridiculous, 515 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 3: tones This is just an outrageously biased non investigation, and 516 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 3: it really, it really bothers me. 517 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: John, You've beautifully stated some very important things that I 518 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: want to put into slow motion so that we're very 519 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: clear on what is being argued here. So let me 520 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: just ask you a series of sort of short, not 521 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: exactly yes, no, but very brief questions just to put 522 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: this into I think it's clearest perspective. Number One, you 523 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: are saying that the pipe bomb case you believe now 524 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: has indeed been solved. I say this because there's still 525 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: some sort of swirling around do they have the right guy? 526 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is that in the eight 527 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: months that Cash Battel and Dan Bongino and others have 528 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: zoomed in on this case, they have been able to 529 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: solve it. Correct, Steven have his confession, all right, So 530 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: the case is now solved. You're also saying that it 531 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: could have been solved a long time ago, because it's 532 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: not as if any quote new information is surfaced in 533 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: the last few months. Basically, what Bongino and Cashptel did 534 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: is they went back to the clues were there from 535 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: the beginning, which you've enumerated, the video of the guy, 536 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 1: his build, his height, the kind of shoes he was wearing. 537 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: And you're saying, putting all those facts together, they should 538 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: have been able to solve this a long time ago. Correct, 539 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: nothing changed. 540 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 3: They had the same information twenty twenty five, the FBI 541 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 3: had in twenty twenty or in twenty twenty one. I'm 542 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 3: sorry when this happened. 543 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And then you're saying that when you think 544 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: about it, there's actually kind of a reason why the 545 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,640 Speaker 1: FBI might not want to solve the case. And the 546 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 1: reason is, as follows, that the Biden administration had cooked 547 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 1: up this big narrative of these dangerous, lawless January sixth 548 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: terrorists swarming into the Capitol, and the pipe bomb story 549 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: was part of that. So it was very important for 550 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: them to leave the depression that whoever this pipe bomb 551 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: guy is, he's probably some kind of right winger. You know, 552 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 1: you have a bunch of guys who are surging into 553 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: the capital to overthrow the government. Then there's the pipe 554 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: bomber planning the bombs. I think what you're saying is, 555 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: if they went to the bottom of this, they had 556 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: reason to believe that it may not be that kind 557 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: of a guy at all, it might actually be one 558 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: of their own supporters. 559 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's better to have it unsolved and just point 560 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 3: to the Trumpers. That's exactly it. 561 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 1: And what that tells me, though, John, is that they 562 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: had been pretty successful in corrupting the operations of the FBI. So, 563 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: in other words, one of the kind of quote conspiracy 564 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 1: theories is the conspiracy theory, if you call it, that 565 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,360 Speaker 1: of a deep state, of a police state, of the 566 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: weaponization of the agencies of government, including the FBI. And 567 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is there's good reason to 568 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: believe that that is actually what happened. This agency was 569 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: to the degree that you've just specified weaponized. 570 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 3: And I think this case is exhibited that in proof 571 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 3: of the fact that the Biden administration was controlling the FBI. 572 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 3: You could apply it to other cases like the Trump 573 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 3: mar Lago thing and all that, but this is exhibit A. 574 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:29,799 Speaker 3: The Biden White House was controlling a politicized FBI, which 575 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 3: was willingly the handmaiden of the politicians. 576 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: And to bring all this home, I think your point 577 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: is that you know, we're not dealing here with some 578 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: kind of symbolism. 579 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 3: Right. 580 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,319 Speaker 1: There are some people whom I think, well, all of 581 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: this was a kind of a kind of theater, political theater. 582 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 1: But we're talking about a guy who planted bombs at 583 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: the RNC, the DNC. So this is a very serious crime. 584 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: And the idea that our chief kind of a detection agency, 585 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 1: the FBI, would essentially decide, well, we choose not to 586 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: solve this case because it could be politically inconvenient to 587 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,879 Speaker 1: the Biden administration. I mean, this is a pretty horrendous 588 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: dereliction of duty, wouldn't you agree? 589 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 3: What if the guy actually did plant pipe bomb successfully 590 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 3: later on, then we have one hundred people killed. I mean, 591 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 3: what do we say about that. Shouldn't we be really 592 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 3: interested in taking this guy off the streets. But they 593 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 3: didn't do it for political reasons, and that is frightening. 594 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: Guys. I've been talking to John O'Connor, author, an attorney. 595 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: The website is postgatebook dot com. The article, by the 596 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,800 Speaker 1: way I'm looking at it, in American greatness and Greatness 597 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,360 Speaker 1: dot com. It's called delayed pipe bomb arrest reveals a 598 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: partisan Biden FBI. John, I think you're right on the 599 00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: money with all this, and all I'm hoping is that 600 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: the kind of cleanup that needs to happen within the 601 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: FBI under Trump is now going full speed ahead. I 602 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,320 Speaker 1: have a lot of confidence in both Cash and Bongino, 603 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: and I hope they are making the necessary changes so 604 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: this kind of nonsense does not occur in the future. 605 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 3: I think they have. I think they have started that, 606 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,959 Speaker 3: and they've taken out some bad actors, some really rank 607 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 3: political agents, and we hope in the future that if 608 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,800 Speaker 3: the Democrats God help us get into office, they don't 609 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 3: try to corrupt the FBI again. It's just it's too 610 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 3: important an institution, and it has always been right down 611 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 3: the middle until recent days, and it's just a shame 612 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 3: to see it to be used like this. 613 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: I quite agree, Thank you very much, John, Thanks. 614 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,560 Speaker 3: Toness, good talking to you. 615 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 2: Is the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians the revival 616 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 2: of an ancient conflict recorded in the Bible. 617 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: The nation of Israel is a resurrective nation. 618 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 4: What if there was. 619 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 3: Going to be a resurrection of another people, an enemy 620 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 3: people of Israel. 621 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 2: The Dragon's Prophecy Watch it now or by the DVD 622 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:29,200 Speaker 2: at The Dragon's prophecyfilm dot Com. 623 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 1: I'm in the section of my book Life After Death 624 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: The Evidence where we are drawing on philosophy, specifically the 625 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: philosophy of Immanuel Kant and one of his philosophical successors, Schopenhauer, 626 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,280 Speaker 1: to show that there is a world behind the world. 627 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,920 Speaker 1: Let's remember that this is the belief of all the 628 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 1: great religions of the world, that the material world that 629 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: we have is not the only world. There is another 630 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 1: world to which we don't have immediate access, but which 631 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: does exist and in fact, which helps to sustain and 632 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: support and explain the world that we do live in. 633 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,280 Speaker 1: So how do we prove the existence of these two 634 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: separate worlds? That's the issue before us, and we're going 635 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,560 Speaker 1: to begin in a very simple way by considering a 636 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: material object, something like an apple. Now, when we perceive 637 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,839 Speaker 1: an apple, what are we actually doing, Well, what we're 638 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: actually doing is putting together sensory impressions of the apple. 639 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,720 Speaker 1: We can see the apple, and so there's an image 640 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: of the apple. By the way, the images in our mind. 641 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: We can smell the apple, and so once again, through 642 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: our mind and our nervous system, we can get a whiff, 643 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 1: if you will, of the apple. We can touch the apple. 644 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,040 Speaker 1: But again that sensation of touch, the feeling of it, 645 00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: is also in our minds. So essentially what's happening here 646 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: is we're not getting the apple in itself, but what 647 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,280 Speaker 1: we're getting is the apple as it appears to us. 648 00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: We're getting the feel of the apple, and the taste 649 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,520 Speaker 1: of the apple, and the touch of the apple, and 650 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,359 Speaker 1: the smell of the apple. But let's remember that all 651 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,920 Speaker 1: of these things are descriptions of our own sort of 652 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,919 Speaker 1: sensory apparatus. The smell of the apple is not in 653 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: the apple. The smell of the apple is in fact 654 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: in our mind. So the philosopher Emmanuel Kant, who thought 655 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: a lot about this, and part of the genius of 656 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 1: great philosophers is to think about very simple things that 657 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,560 Speaker 1: are right in front of you and really explore what 658 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 1: they're really telling you about the world, and cont concludes 659 00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: that the world is divided into two. There is the 660 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: thing in itself, which is, to say, the apple in itself. 661 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,920 Speaker 1: The apple, if you will, as experienced by the apple. 662 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 1: And then there is the thing as it is experienced 663 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: by us. And Kant calls the thing in itself phenomenon, 664 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: and the thing or things that are experienced by us, 665 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,920 Speaker 1: not just the apple, but everything else is the phenomenon. 666 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: The phenomenon is the world as it is experienced by 667 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: us as humans. And obviously, you could say, isn't it 668 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,319 Speaker 1: interesting that we all experience the world the same way? 669 00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: And Kant would say, of course, that is to be expected, 670 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: because we all, after all, have the same sensory apparatus. 671 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: If we were different kinds of creatures with different kinds 672 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:41,959 Speaker 1: of senses, then we would experience the world obviously differently. Now, 673 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,480 Speaker 1: how does Kant prove that there is a kind of 674 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: numenon or nouminal world at all? After all, we have 675 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: no direct access to it. But cont says that that 676 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:59,040 Speaker 1: noumenal world does exist for the simple reason that all 677 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:05,359 Speaker 1: are experienceperiances are experiences of something. The reason that we 678 00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: smell the apple is there is an apple. The reason 679 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: that we have a kind of experience of a sunset 680 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 1: is because there is a thing in itself that generates 681 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: these experiences. So the appearances of our empirical world are 682 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: appearances of something else, but that's something is beyond our 683 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: direct access. So in other words, we can only experience 684 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 1: the apple through our perceptions. We can't experience the apple 685 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: in itself. But Kant is really able to show in 686 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 1: this way that even though we cannot quote access it directly, 687 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: it is nevertheless true that there is a world behind 688 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 1: the world, a world of things in themselves, and these 689 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: things in themselves give rise to, maybe in a manner 690 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:09,359 Speaker 1: that's not fully understood, the perceptions and experiences of the 691 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 1: world that we live in. So there are two worlds, 692 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: and the nominal world is in some ways you could 693 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 1: call it the real world because it's the thing in itself, 694 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,880 Speaker 1: and the phenomenal world, which we experience, well, that is 695 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: a world of appearances, that is how things appear to us. Now, 696 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: very interestingly, the philosopher Schopenhauer picks up this idea, which 697 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: he regards correctly as an absolutely brilliant and breathtaking idea. 698 00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 1: Kant seems to be the first man in history in 699 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 1: the world to have thought of this, this critical distinction, 700 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: which is basic to all of modern philosophy. But Schopenhauer identified, 701 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: i think correctly an error in Kant, and he said 702 00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:00,320 Speaker 1: that Kant assumed that you have things plural in themselves. 703 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,839 Speaker 1: And Schopenhauer said that that can't be right, and in fact, 704 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 1: it can't be right on kantient reasoning itself. Why because 705 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,480 Speaker 1: after all, the material objects in the world that we 706 00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 1: experience exist in space and time. So space and time 707 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: are features of this experiential or empirical world. And we 708 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: know this because if we're trying to place an object, 709 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: we can often locate it by just giving you its 710 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 1: location in space and time. And we know that the 711 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: same multiple objects can occupy the same space and the 712 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: same time, otherwise they would be that same thing. So 713 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:44,560 Speaker 1: space and time are differentiating features of our experiential world. 714 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: But says Schopenhauer, obviously these distinctions, these differentiations don't apply 715 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 1: to the newminal world, to the world in and of itself, 716 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,799 Speaker 1: because in that world, how do we know that there's 717 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: any space, How do we know that there's any time? 718 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 1: Space and time? In fact, modern science agrees with this completely, 719 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: our properties of our universe. In fact, for cont he 720 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 1: goes even further, it's to space and time are properties 721 00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,800 Speaker 1: of our mind. This is a very perhaps strange and 722 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,359 Speaker 1: a little bit of a mind blowing idea, that there's 723 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 1: no space and time that exists outside of our mind. 724 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: And while the idea may strike you as a little crazy, 725 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,680 Speaker 1: try to think of your Try to try to think 726 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:35,239 Speaker 1: of why Kant would say this. It's extraordinarily difficult to 727 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,439 Speaker 1: somehow locate space. Where is space? What exactly is it? It 728 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: appears to be a kind of nothing. It simply appears 729 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: to be a sort of zone in which we move. Similarly, 730 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,160 Speaker 1: what exactly is time? 731 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 2: Like? 732 00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: Where is it it is? It seems to be cont 733 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: is I think not entirely wrong in saying cont istance 734 00:47:54,360 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: that time is a defining feature of our human experience, 735 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,719 Speaker 1: a way of sort of putting one thing before or 736 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 1: after another in a kind of sequence. Well, who's doing 737 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: that if not our minds? In any event, Leaving aside 738 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,120 Speaker 1: whether the cont is right, it's space and time are 739 00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: part of our mind, or whether modern science is right, 740 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,360 Speaker 1: it's space and time are somewhere out in the universe, 741 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: as I think Einstein believed. But either way, space and 742 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: time are properties of our universe. They don't apply to 743 00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: the world behind the world. They don't apply to the 744 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:35,160 Speaker 1: nouminal world, And so Chopinhower's point is that in this 745 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 1: nouminal world, everything is one. I mean, what a stunning 746 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,600 Speaker 1: and a breath taking idea that there's no differentiation, that 747 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,879 Speaker 1: there's no separation. In fact, Schopenhauer would go further and 748 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: say that while we as individuals have or might have souls, nevertheless, 749 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,359 Speaker 1: when we die, our souls live on, but not as 750 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:03,239 Speaker 1: individual differentiations souls. They live on as part of a 751 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: single soul. So, in other words, the differentiations of space 752 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 1: and time are obliterated. And you might say everything is one. Now, 753 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,200 Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this thought. When Schopenhauer came up 754 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: with these ideas, which by the way, he did not 755 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,320 Speaker 1: based on any religious reflection, not by reading any holy books. 756 00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,360 Speaker 1: Schopenhauer was a secular man. He was an atheist in fact, 757 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,839 Speaker 1: but he said, this is the way it has to be. 758 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 1: I'm getting to this position based on reasoning alone. And 759 00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,440 Speaker 1: yet people told Schopenhauer, you know, what you're saying is 760 00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 1: incredibly similar, not just to the shared teachings of the 761 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,359 Speaker 1: great religions and there's a world behind the world, but 762 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: specifically to Eastern and Hindu and Buddhist philosophy, which does 763 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: claim in the Upanishads and other documents, that ultimately everything 764 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,520 Speaker 1: is one, and that the lives that we live on 765 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,920 Speaker 1: this earth are simply a kind of reflection or refraction 766 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 1: of that insight, and that when we're in the world 767 00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: we wrongly think that everything is separated, but in truth, 768 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: and this is part of what nirvana means, penetrating to 769 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: the truth that in the end everything is one. So 770 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,040 Speaker 1: this is all the teachings of Eastern philosophy, and Chopenhauer 771 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 1: is like thrilled to find this out. But he you know, 772 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:25,920 Speaker 1: it's wrongly sometimes described by some philosophers and some students 773 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: of philosophy of Schopenhauer got his teachings from the East. Nonsense, 774 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,080 Speaker 1: not true. Schopenhauer was in the mainstream of Western philosophy. 775 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 1: He followed the exact train of reasoning I have given you, 776 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,880 Speaker 1: admittedly in great summary. Here today Schopenhower came to his conclusions. 777 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,440 Speaker 1: He then noticed that whila, here come the Eastern mystics, 778 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,440 Speaker 1: and not using philosophy, but using their own types of contemplation, 779 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,320 Speaker 1: they have come up with very similar conclusions. So Schopenhower 780 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: celebrated that he did a lot to educate people in 781 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: the West about this Eastern philosophy. But the point I'm 782 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,959 Speaker 1: trying to make is that in no way was he 783 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: quote an Eastern man or an Eastern thinker. Now, what 784 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 1: is the conclusion from all this? The conclusion is pretty 785 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: simple that when we die, it is the end of 786 00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 1: the phenomenal world. By the phenomenal world here we don't 787 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: mean like phenomenal awesome. We mean phenomenal the phenomena that 788 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:29,800 Speaker 1: we experience in our ordinary lives. There's the apple, there's 789 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: the car, there's the umpire state building. All of those 790 00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: experiences will go away. The phenomenal world comes to an end. 791 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,280 Speaker 1: But what about the nominal world. Well, the nominal world 792 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: is not part of this world. It never was. It's 793 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,279 Speaker 1: not that we somehow go there. There's a part of 794 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:50,319 Speaker 1: us now that belongs to that nominal world. All our 795 00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: experiences are experiences of something of that nouminal world, even 796 00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,600 Speaker 1: if we have no direct access to it. And so 797 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 1: here you have two guys, Kanton Chopenhauer. Now, by the way, 798 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,920 Speaker 1: Kant is a Lutheran and a Christian. Chopenhauer is an atheist. 799 00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,080 Speaker 1: But they're following a trajectory of Western philosophy. 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