1 00:00:02,650 --> 00:00:03,580 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,550 --> 00:00:09,010 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome to the Praying Christian Woman podcast. I am 3 00:00:09,090 --> 00:00:10,289 Speaker 2: Alana here with Jamie. 4 00:00:10,369 --> 00:00:13,810 Speaker 1: How are you? Doing great. How about you? Good. 5 00:00:14,150 --> 00:00:19,510 Speaker 2: Today we will be chatting about my favorite character in 6 00:00:19,710 --> 00:00:24,710 Speaker 2: any Christmas story. Is that what we're talking about? 7 00:00:24,790 --> 00:00:29,170 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, maybe not exactly, but yeah, people might 8 00:00:29,210 --> 00:00:31,770 Speaker 1: be able to guess from that description. 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: So we're talking about Ebenezers, which I know from two things. 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,860 Speaker 2: I know because I've heard you talk about them. And 11 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,420 Speaker 2: I know from one of the songs, it's the one 12 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:50,450 Speaker 2: Come Thou Fount talks about, here I raise my Ebenezer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 13 00:00:50,470 --> 00:00:54,110 Speaker 2: So it's a word that not everyone's going to be 14 00:00:54,150 --> 00:00:56,330 Speaker 2: familiar with. And the people who are familiar with are 15 00:00:56,350 --> 00:00:58,090 Speaker 2: going to be like, why are you defining this word? 16 00:00:58,130 --> 00:01:00,350 Speaker 2: But I don't think it's as common as some of 17 00:01:00,470 --> 00:01:04,540 Speaker 2: the churchy words that we throw around here on the podcast. 18 00:01:04,580 --> 00:01:06,819 Speaker 2: So before we do anything else, could you give us 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,020 Speaker 2: just a preview teaser of what we're talking about today? 20 00:01:10,660 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: Yes. And you know, it's kind of funny, as is 21 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,449 Speaker 1: oft the case. I thought you introduced me to the 22 00:01:15,490 --> 00:01:16,550 Speaker 1: idea of Ebenezers. 23 00:01:16,890 --> 00:01:19,310 Speaker 2: Oh, no, it was totally you because. 24 00:01:19,810 --> 00:01:25,070 Speaker 1: Yeah. It probably came from, I'm guessing, an Old Testament 25 00:01:25,430 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: theology class that I took in college. It was a 26 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,670 Speaker 1: secular class. But I bet that was where it came 27 00:01:31,750 --> 00:01:34,980 Speaker 1: from originally. That's probably where I heard it, but it's 28 00:01:35,020 --> 00:01:37,100 Speaker 1: funny because in my head I think, oh yeah, you're 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,700 Speaker 1: the one that introduced me to this subject. But I 30 00:01:39,740 --> 00:01:41,580 Speaker 1: love it too. I think it's a very cool idea. 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:43,860 Speaker 1: And in order to give you a background, I'm going 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,970 Speaker 1: to read the verse of the day, which is going 33 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,070 Speaker 1: to kind of encapsulate what it is. So this scripture 34 00:01:49,110 --> 00:01:52,230 Speaker 1: is from 1 Samuel 7, verses 10 through 12. While 35 00:01:52,290 --> 00:01:56,110 Speaker 1: Samuel was sacrificing the burnt offering, the Philistines drew near 36 00:01:56,350 --> 00:01:59,210 Speaker 1: to engage Israel in battle. But that day the Lord 37 00:01:59,330 --> 00:02:02,460 Speaker 1: thundered with a loud thunder against the Philistines and threw 38 00:02:02,500 --> 00:02:05,540 Speaker 1: them into such a panic they were routed before the Israelites. 39 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,740 Speaker 1: The men of Israel rushed out of Mizpah and pursued 40 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,540 Speaker 1: the Philistines, slaughtering them along the way to a point 41 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: below Bethkar. Then Samuel took a stone and set it 42 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: up between Mizpah and Shen. He named it Ebenezer, saying, 43 00:02:19,620 --> 00:02:24,810 Speaker 1: Thus far the Lord has helped us. And Ebenezer literally 44 00:02:24,850 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: means stone of help. It's kind of a double meaning 45 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,740 Speaker 1: because it kind of means a stone of help, meaning 46 00:02:33,780 --> 00:02:36,739 Speaker 1: God is like the rock. He's the solid stone that 47 00:02:36,780 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: helped us. At the same time, when you look again 48 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,910 Speaker 1: later on, there are other instances, I believe, where, and 49 00:02:45,950 --> 00:02:47,430 Speaker 1: I don't have the verses in front of me, but 50 00:02:47,470 --> 00:02:51,250 Speaker 1: where people actually visited, like they were told, set the 51 00:02:51,350 --> 00:02:53,609 Speaker 1: stone up in this place to remember what God has 52 00:02:53,650 --> 00:02:57,380 Speaker 1: done for you. And so this is one of those instances. 53 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,100 Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the same stone that 54 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: they went and visited later, but I know that this 55 00:03:01,980 --> 00:03:04,620 Speaker 1: is a thing where, you know, come to be known 56 00:03:04,700 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: as either an Ebenezer stone or just an Ebenezer, which 57 00:03:08,220 --> 00:03:11,580 Speaker 1: is basically a monument celebrating God's faithfulness. 58 00:03:12,220 --> 00:03:18,150 Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember hearing a sermon about it where it 59 00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:24,230 Speaker 2: was when the priest stood in the Jordan River. And 60 00:03:24,290 --> 00:03:28,580 Speaker 2: the waters parted so that the Israelites could go into 61 00:03:28,620 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: the promised land. And God told them to take stones 62 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:40,210 Speaker 2: from the riverbed and build this altar or kind of memorial. 63 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,610 Speaker 2: And I had read that, but what I had never 64 00:03:43,670 --> 00:03:47,809 Speaker 2: put together until our pastor mentioned it is this. You know, 65 00:03:47,850 --> 00:03:52,970 Speaker 2: like in Alaska, we see huge glacial stones, right? Like 66 00:03:53,070 --> 00:03:55,970 Speaker 2: I remember different playgrounds around Anchorage where they would be, 67 00:03:56,070 --> 00:03:59,190 Speaker 2: you know, what, eight, 12 feet tall. Kids would climb 68 00:03:59,270 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: on them. It's not a huge deal up here for 69 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: us to see huge stones like that. But these river 70 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: stones would have been polished. And so they really would 71 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: have stood out from the other stones, right? Because the 72 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,580 Speaker 2: river would have polished them so they're huge river stones 73 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,740 Speaker 2: basically is like these only could have come from the riverbed. 74 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: Oh that's really neat that is very cool yeah that 75 00:04:28,220 --> 00:04:30,820 Speaker 1: i found that verse so it's joshua 4 6 to 76 00:04:30,820 --> 00:04:33,580 Speaker 1: 7 when god brought the israelites across the jordan river 77 00:04:34,020 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: joshua instructed them to establish a memorial of 12 stones 78 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,300 Speaker 1: that this might be a sign among you that when 79 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: your children ask their fathers in time to come saying 80 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: what mean ye by these stones. 81 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,230 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like how the emphasis isn't just put 82 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:50,090 Speaker 2: these stones here so that you'll remember. It's put these 83 00:04:50,130 --> 00:04:53,370 Speaker 2: stones here so that when your kids ask you about them, 84 00:04:53,870 --> 00:04:56,970 Speaker 2: you'll have something to talk about. It reminds me of 85 00:04:57,490 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: my grandma, and she always keeps the photo albums out. 86 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: And so it's totally different than, let's pull out the 87 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,340 Speaker 2: box from the closet and look at the pictures, Grandma. 88 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:13,450 Speaker 2: It's just, we're sitting around. oh, tell me about this picture, Grandma. 89 00:05:13,750 --> 00:05:17,150 Speaker 2: You know, it's much more of a conversation starter than 90 00:05:17,350 --> 00:05:18,169 Speaker 2: seeking it out. 91 00:05:19,029 --> 00:05:21,210 Speaker 1: I love that. I remember that about my grandmother, too. 92 00:05:21,290 --> 00:05:23,810 Speaker 1: She had these several, and I actually have them now, 93 00:05:23,850 --> 00:05:28,210 Speaker 1: I think, a couple of photo albums. And they just 94 00:05:28,250 --> 00:05:30,130 Speaker 1: sat there. And I remember as a kid, you know, 95 00:05:30,290 --> 00:05:33,630 Speaker 1: because we didn't have smartphones to doodle around on when 96 00:05:33,670 --> 00:05:35,550 Speaker 1: we had no time, you know, I would be sitting 97 00:05:35,589 --> 00:05:38,060 Speaker 1: there and my cousin and I'd be building card houses 98 00:05:38,150 --> 00:05:41,370 Speaker 1: and We'd see the album, we'd go through it, laugh 99 00:05:41,410 --> 00:05:46,590 Speaker 1: at our moms when they were teenagers. Cute. Yeah. Yeah, 100 00:05:46,650 --> 00:05:49,969 Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. So, but I'm wondering, like, do you 101 00:05:50,010 --> 00:05:52,150 Speaker 1: have any ideas off the top of your head of 102 00:05:52,930 --> 00:05:55,090 Speaker 1: what that could look like? I'm trying to think of 103 00:05:55,770 --> 00:05:59,659 Speaker 1: if I have things like that in my home that 104 00:05:59,700 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: I can use as a springboard. I remember a few 105 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 1: months ago, maybe, when I think it's a few months ago, 106 00:06:04,860 --> 00:06:08,669 Speaker 1: it's been like two years, so... Around about two years ago. 107 00:06:08,710 --> 00:06:09,630 Speaker 2: Sounds about right. 108 00:06:10,930 --> 00:06:14,089 Speaker 1: I kind of shared my testimony with my two younger 109 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:17,910 Speaker 1: kids for the first time maybe ever, like kind of 110 00:06:17,950 --> 00:06:20,230 Speaker 1: just an overall testimony of kind of how I came 111 00:06:20,270 --> 00:06:22,510 Speaker 1: to know the Lord, how I rededicated my life to Christ. 112 00:06:23,130 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 1: And in recounting some of the things, it just made 113 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: me realize it would really be good if to have 114 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,979 Speaker 1: something tangible as a springboard, as a conversation piece. I 115 00:06:34,020 --> 00:06:36,750 Speaker 1: think of like the resurrection eggs. Have you, because I 116 00:06:36,790 --> 00:06:38,890 Speaker 1: work really well with a context for a story or 117 00:06:38,910 --> 00:06:41,670 Speaker 1: with something, and I think kids do too, probably. But 118 00:06:41,710 --> 00:06:43,969 Speaker 1: I think of resurrection eggs where you open the eggs 119 00:06:44,150 --> 00:06:48,710 Speaker 1: and each item inside of the egg tells a part 120 00:06:48,750 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: of the story of the Easter story. And so, yeah, 121 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:54,860 Speaker 1: I don't know. What do you think? Do you have 122 00:06:54,900 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: any tangible things that, could be physical Ebenezers that are springboards? 123 00:07:01,180 --> 00:07:03,940 Speaker 2: The first thing that comes to mind is actually our 124 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: son's surgery scar from where he had his feeding tube. 125 00:07:08,980 --> 00:07:10,780 Speaker 2: And I mean, I haven't seen it in years because 126 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,220 Speaker 2: it's not like I go around and tell my son, like, 127 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: pick up your shirt so I can see your scar. 128 00:07:16,940 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: But that's always going to be a physical reminder of 129 00:07:21,460 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: the medical trauma he went through and the healing that 130 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: God granted. I think that pictures actually do this really well. 131 00:07:30,700 --> 00:07:32,810 Speaker 2: And I think we moved away from it a lot. But, 132 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,929 Speaker 2: you know, back when it was more common to send 133 00:07:36,030 --> 00:07:39,110 Speaker 2: Christmas photographs and they would be lined up on a 134 00:07:39,150 --> 00:07:41,530 Speaker 2: mantle or on a fridge. And it really was a 135 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:45,950 Speaker 2: visual representation of people that you're praying for or things 136 00:07:46,010 --> 00:07:48,530 Speaker 2: like that. So I think of Ebenezers, I can think 137 00:07:48,570 --> 00:07:50,890 Speaker 2: of a lot of Ebenezers as kind of prayer reminders 138 00:07:50,910 --> 00:07:54,710 Speaker 2: like that. But in terms of monuments and I mean, honestly, 139 00:07:54,830 --> 00:07:57,230 Speaker 2: that's part of the reason why I have the books 140 00:07:57,290 --> 00:08:00,070 Speaker 2: I've written on my shelves in my office is just 141 00:08:00,150 --> 00:08:04,610 Speaker 2: a reminder, like, God helped me finish this. Or every 142 00:08:04,710 --> 00:08:09,890 Speaker 2: so often, I'll attach a memory to a house plant 143 00:08:09,950 --> 00:08:11,990 Speaker 2: on purpose. So like when I came home from visiting 144 00:08:12,010 --> 00:08:15,390 Speaker 2: my grandma last summer, I bought a tiny jade plant 145 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,010 Speaker 2: on the drive home because she had a jade plant. So, 146 00:08:18,420 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: you know, like there were certain things that I might 147 00:08:21,250 --> 00:08:23,330 Speaker 2: do like that. Or, you know, like the prayer plant 148 00:08:23,390 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: that you still have. That's a reminder. It's an ebenezer 149 00:08:27,660 --> 00:08:30,980 Speaker 2: of our podcasting together and our friendship and all the 150 00:08:31,020 --> 00:08:32,780 Speaker 2: moves that that survived. 151 00:08:33,420 --> 00:08:36,740 Speaker 1: Yeah. What's interesting, I don't do that as much because 152 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: I tend to kill plants, but I have maybe a 153 00:08:41,300 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: second or third generation prayer plant. I mean, I've resurrected 154 00:08:44,179 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: some of them and this one went through. I think 155 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:48,939 Speaker 1: this is the second one that you gave me one 156 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,530 Speaker 1: and it was maybe two. And they were beautiful. And 157 00:08:51,650 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if they didn't make the move or 158 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: died before that. But this one I thought was gone 159 00:08:57,020 --> 00:09:00,260 Speaker 1: because it was like all of the leaves were rolled 160 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,060 Speaker 1: up when I got back from just a few days trip. 161 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,380 Speaker 1: And I don't know if it got too cold or 162 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:08,740 Speaker 1: what happened, but it came back. So, and it's in 163 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: my kitchen because I was nursing it back to health, 164 00:09:10,740 --> 00:09:13,069 Speaker 1: but it should be behind me. But yeah, that one 165 00:09:13,150 --> 00:09:17,969 Speaker 1: actually has survived and it's done pretty well. I think of, 166 00:09:18,500 --> 00:09:23,220 Speaker 1: prayer journals. Like I definitely will write things in prayer journals. 167 00:09:23,300 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: And it's interesting, my prayer journals from college and like 168 00:09:27,460 --> 00:09:31,780 Speaker 1: the early years of adulthood, I would go back sometimes 169 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: with a different colored pen and I would read through 170 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: my prayer requests and I'd like add and I'd put 171 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,660 Speaker 1: the date and like I would add the answer, you know, 172 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,110 Speaker 1: to some of them. So it's kind of fun to 173 00:09:42,140 --> 00:09:46,770 Speaker 1: go back. And so, yeah, I think prayer journals sometimes 174 00:09:46,870 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: can be A monument of answered prayer. I had a, 175 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: and I still do, I don't even know where it is, 176 00:09:54,620 --> 00:09:59,370 Speaker 1: but I had, so I wrote a poem shortly after 177 00:09:59,450 --> 00:10:03,580 Speaker 1: I rededicated. my life to Christ, like in college. And 178 00:10:04,260 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 1: it was basically a, it kind of took me through like, 179 00:10:10,140 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: there was a time when my relationship with God wasn't right. 180 00:10:13,780 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: I experienced God in a real way. And then he 181 00:10:16,540 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: displayed his power in my life and, you know, just 182 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,700 Speaker 1: how meaningful he is. And there was this woman at 183 00:10:23,900 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: my mom's and dad's church, the one I grew up in, 184 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,030 Speaker 1: and she cross-stitched it. And now if anyone has ever 185 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:34,929 Speaker 1: cross-stitched anything, you know how hard it is. So she 186 00:10:34,970 --> 00:10:38,030 Speaker 1: did a cross-stitch. It's probably like two and a half 187 00:10:38,110 --> 00:10:42,670 Speaker 1: feet tall and narrow, like maybe nine or 10 inches wide. 188 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: But She like stanza by stanza. So she cross-stitched a 189 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,459 Speaker 1: design and then she like, I guess it would be 190 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: embroidery of words. The whole thing. I mean, it took 191 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,780 Speaker 1: her months and months. It was a labor of love. 192 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,620 Speaker 2: Beautiful. 193 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,390 Speaker 1: She was amazing. And she wasn't like an integral part 194 00:11:01,410 --> 00:11:03,990 Speaker 1: of our lives. Like she wasn't even someone that we 195 00:11:04,050 --> 00:11:08,780 Speaker 1: would have like invited back. for dinner on Christmas, you know, 196 00:11:09,460 --> 00:11:12,819 Speaker 1: with our closest friends and family. But she was a 197 00:11:12,860 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: wonderful person. And I think she has since passed away. 198 00:11:16,860 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: But it was so meaningful to me. That is in, 199 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: it's in one of our rooms. I don't know, but 200 00:11:22,220 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: it's not hung up right now. But it used to 201 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,220 Speaker 1: be in Alaska. It was hung up like right in 202 00:11:27,300 --> 00:11:29,620 Speaker 1: my bedroom, like where I could see it just as 203 00:11:29,660 --> 00:11:31,810 Speaker 1: a reminder of kind of that time in my life. 204 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:47,940 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I think we do this a lot, even 205 00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:54,230 Speaker 2: without attaching religious significance to it. I also picture Christmas ornaments. 206 00:11:54,790 --> 00:11:56,650 Speaker 2: I know a lot of families and we do this 207 00:11:56,730 --> 00:12:00,130 Speaker 2: where every year we'll try to add to our kids' 208 00:12:00,870 --> 00:12:04,030 Speaker 2: collection with an ornament that means something special to them 209 00:12:04,130 --> 00:12:06,290 Speaker 2: or is a reminder of something we did together as 210 00:12:06,309 --> 00:12:10,510 Speaker 2: a family. And then every year our tree basically becomes 211 00:12:10,570 --> 00:12:11,569 Speaker 2: a little timeline. 212 00:12:11,590 --> 00:12:11,670 Speaker 1: Yeah. 213 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:14,610 Speaker 2: Of the things that they were interested in or the 214 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:18,170 Speaker 2: memories we have. So I think we know how to 215 00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:21,770 Speaker 2: do this. And I think the Old Testament just teaches 216 00:12:21,870 --> 00:12:27,510 Speaker 2: us to do it with maybe spiritual significance attached to it. 217 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,660 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love your Christmas ornaments example because we have 218 00:12:31,860 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: a similar thing. 219 00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: I do. 220 00:12:34,860 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: love and hate Christmas ornaments because it takes so long 221 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: to get them up and so long to get them down. 222 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: And they're up for such a short amount of time 223 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: because I'm not the kind of person that I procrastinate 224 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:47,530 Speaker 1: getting the tree up. And so it's up for like, 225 00:12:47,650 --> 00:12:50,310 Speaker 1: you know, unless I leave it till February, it's up 226 00:12:50,350 --> 00:12:53,449 Speaker 1: for like two weeks at best. But I love that 227 00:12:53,510 --> 00:12:57,270 Speaker 1: because it really is, when you look at those mementos, 228 00:12:57,410 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: it really does take you back. And so, yeah, I 229 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,670 Speaker 1: think of my in-laws and When each of the kids, 230 00:13:06,190 --> 00:13:09,190 Speaker 1: like throughout different stages of their lives, they'll get them 231 00:13:09,250 --> 00:13:12,579 Speaker 1: Bibles and put their name in it. And like, you know, 232 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: just basically, I don't know, I feel like, or like 233 00:13:15,980 --> 00:13:18,179 Speaker 1: some people for a baptism, they'll get like a special 234 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,340 Speaker 1: necklace or a special Bible or something to commemorate those 235 00:13:22,420 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: kinds of milestones. 236 00:13:24,059 --> 00:13:26,949 Speaker 2: Yeah. And let's go ahead and address, because I can 237 00:13:27,050 --> 00:13:32,410 Speaker 2: already hear the counter arguments, because I would have made 238 00:13:32,450 --> 00:13:35,230 Speaker 2: them at one point. And it was like, well, that's 239 00:13:35,270 --> 00:13:40,430 Speaker 2: so materialistic, you know, like, so let's go ahead and say, like, 240 00:13:41,050 --> 00:13:42,849 Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be something that you spend money on. 241 00:13:43,890 --> 00:13:46,270 Speaker 2: For one thing, it can literally be like one of 242 00:13:46,330 --> 00:13:49,050 Speaker 2: my favorite Mother's Day gifts I ever got was a 243 00:13:49,770 --> 00:13:52,730 Speaker 2: rock that my kid found outside and just wrote on 244 00:13:52,770 --> 00:13:55,950 Speaker 2: a sharpie with it. Like, I love you, Mom. I 245 00:13:56,010 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: loved it. That thing lasted several moves. I don't think 246 00:14:01,030 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 2: I have it anymore. Just don't tell them. But it 247 00:14:05,460 --> 00:14:08,700 Speaker 2: doesn't have to be extravagant, but there's also nothing wrong 248 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,420 Speaker 2: if you've got the ability and the means and the 249 00:14:11,460 --> 00:14:15,410 Speaker 2: right heart motive. It can be something that you spend 250 00:14:15,429 --> 00:14:17,970 Speaker 2: money on. Like it was extravagant for your friend to 251 00:14:18,030 --> 00:14:21,290 Speaker 2: spend that much time on that embroidery, but that wasn't 252 00:14:21,330 --> 00:14:22,270 Speaker 2: a waste of time. 253 00:14:22,930 --> 00:14:25,290 Speaker 1: Yeah, I look back on that and I just think, yeah, 254 00:14:25,390 --> 00:14:26,750 Speaker 1: just a huge labor of love. 255 00:14:28,570 --> 00:14:34,540 Speaker 2: And I really like the idea of, leaving visual reminders 256 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: for your kids to ask you about. I think that's really, 257 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,180 Speaker 2: really cool. I think that that would be fun listener homework, 258 00:14:41,380 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 2: even if it's less about something of religious importance, because 259 00:14:46,900 --> 00:14:50,330 Speaker 2: let's think about crossing the Jordan. That was a historical event. 260 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:51,950 Speaker 1: That was a miracle. 261 00:14:52,130 --> 00:14:54,470 Speaker 2: And so there was spiritual significance, but it was also 262 00:14:54,510 --> 00:14:57,370 Speaker 2: a historic event, just in the same way that we 263 00:14:57,570 --> 00:15:00,630 Speaker 2: wave flags on 4th of July or, You know, we 264 00:15:00,670 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: attach different symbols to different holidays. And so maybe there's 265 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,340 Speaker 2: something really cool in your family history that you could 266 00:15:09,700 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 2: put out for people to see. And so when they 267 00:15:12,300 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: come in your home, like, oh, what's this plaque for? Or, oh, 268 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,990 Speaker 2: why do you have this commemorative stamp? Or whatever it 269 00:15:20,020 --> 00:15:24,070 Speaker 2: might be. They could be kind of fun conversation starters, too. 270 00:15:24,670 --> 00:15:28,090 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I love that idea of just conversation pieces, 271 00:15:28,170 --> 00:15:29,150 Speaker 1: whatever they might be. 272 00:15:29,170 --> 00:15:29,690 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. 273 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:34,820 Speaker 1: One other form of Ebenezer could be not something to 274 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:40,380 Speaker 1: remember something God has done necessarily, but to remind you 275 00:15:40,660 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: to persevere and keep praying for something. So I remember, 276 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,260 Speaker 1: speaking of things, conversation pieces, I remember one time I 277 00:15:49,500 --> 00:15:52,260 Speaker 1: came back from college and my dad had a little 278 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:56,300 Speaker 1: red dot on his watch and like a sticker. And 279 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: he was not Like, that was weird for him. He 280 00:15:59,020 --> 00:16:01,740 Speaker 1: was always, you know, that just was weird. So I 281 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,900 Speaker 1: remember asking him about it. And it had something to 282 00:16:04,950 --> 00:16:07,510 Speaker 1: do with remembering to pray for something because he had 283 00:16:07,530 --> 00:16:10,370 Speaker 1: been in. And he was not that and still isn't. 284 00:16:10,450 --> 00:16:12,230 Speaker 1: He's not that kind of guy who's like, I'm going 285 00:16:12,250 --> 00:16:14,990 Speaker 1: to pray for this and that. And he's not into 286 00:16:15,010 --> 00:16:18,850 Speaker 1: the gimmicks. He's not into the things. But some class 287 00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:22,580 Speaker 1: that he was taking or study or something that was 288 00:16:22,620 --> 00:16:25,820 Speaker 1: meaningful to him. So he had this dot on his head. 289 00:16:26,250 --> 00:16:26,570 Speaker 2: Watch. 290 00:16:26,630 --> 00:16:28,310 Speaker 1: And I thought that was just really neat. That can 291 00:16:28,350 --> 00:16:33,620 Speaker 1: be a type of Ebenezer, not a milestone or milepost 292 00:16:33,790 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: of what God has done, but like a reminder to 293 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,940 Speaker 1: connect with him and a reminder of like who he is. 294 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,020 Speaker 1: And I think of the prayer bracelets. Do you remember 295 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,050 Speaker 1: Pam and her prayer bracelets with the kids' names? I 296 00:16:47,110 --> 00:16:49,130 Speaker 1: still have mine. I think one of them broke. And 297 00:16:49,210 --> 00:16:51,340 Speaker 1: so I felt bad Oh, no. 298 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,780 Speaker 2: Sure, they just aren't going to get prayed for anymore. No, 299 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: I don't pray for any of them. It's only fair. 300 00:16:58,020 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: Right? But they're in a drawer that I look in 301 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: all the time. And so every time I go in 302 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: to get stuff out of my, like, it's got, like, 303 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: toiletries and stuff. Every time I go in, it's, like, 304 00:17:07,859 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: right there. One day, I will, like, I'm just afraid 305 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: the other one, I tied it up, and I'm just 306 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,290 Speaker 1: afraid it's going to re-break. I don't think it's... Right, right, right. 307 00:17:17,050 --> 00:17:20,350 Speaker 1: But yeah, basically it was bracelets that had little beads 308 00:17:20,430 --> 00:17:22,909 Speaker 1: and they had the names of each of the kids. 309 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: And you can do stuff like that. We've talked about 310 00:17:26,180 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of prayer reminders, but just things that remind 311 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: you of blessings to pray for, you know, people in 312 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: your life to pray for or just anything that you... 313 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,220 Speaker 1: Or to give thanks for. Yeah, that's a good one too. 314 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:44,500 Speaker 1: There was this little thing I had, it was called 315 00:17:44,540 --> 00:17:49,129 Speaker 1: a prayer box. I think, so someone had given me 316 00:17:49,790 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: the prayer box as a gift and it was during 317 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: a difficult time and I had a prayer request. And 318 00:17:56,300 --> 00:17:59,140 Speaker 1: so I would write, I wrote the prayer request down 319 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: on a tiny piece of paper because it was a 320 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,980 Speaker 1: tiny box, but it actually opened and latched and it 321 00:18:05,020 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: was just a little like silver or pewter or something. 322 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,220 Speaker 1: So I wrote down the prayer request or a word 323 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,169 Speaker 1: that reminded me of it and I stuck it in 324 00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:13,710 Speaker 1: the box and closed it. And I just remember after 325 00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:17,980 Speaker 1: that season, um, there was someone, it was a missionary 326 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: and she was, I don't know, kind of concerned about 327 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: something and we prayed together about it and she was 328 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: about to leave to go on the mission field. And 329 00:18:25,619 --> 00:18:27,870 Speaker 1: I just felt led to pass it along to her. 330 00:18:28,070 --> 00:18:29,909 Speaker 1: And I just think about it and I'd like to 331 00:18:29,940 --> 00:18:33,410 Speaker 1: get another one because I feel like it's a form 332 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:36,410 Speaker 1: of Ebenezer. You wear it around, it's like the phylacteries, 333 00:18:36,550 --> 00:18:39,729 Speaker 1: you know, that they used to wear on their foreheads 334 00:18:39,850 --> 00:18:43,950 Speaker 1: and on their arms. And which were like, they had 335 00:18:44,380 --> 00:18:46,380 Speaker 1: Bible verses written on them. 336 00:18:47,030 --> 00:18:50,310 Speaker 2: Reminds me sort of of how people used to put pictures, 337 00:18:50,410 --> 00:18:52,770 Speaker 2: and some still do, but pictures of someone. 338 00:18:52,550 --> 00:18:53,530 Speaker 1: You love in your locket. 339 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:56,250 Speaker 2: Yes. And then you wear it, and it's always with 340 00:18:56,290 --> 00:18:58,310 Speaker 2: you and close to your heart. Now we just carry 341 00:18:58,330 --> 00:19:00,489 Speaker 2: all that stuff on our phone, but it's not the same. 342 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,179 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 343 00:19:02,900 --> 00:19:05,580 Speaker 2: Your Ebenezer can be the screensaver on your phone. 344 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, there you go. 21st century Ebenezer. That's awesome. 345 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: I love it. 346 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing that I want to address is the 347 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:22,139 Speaker 2: fear of an Ebenezer leading to pride. So these river 348 00:19:22,180 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 2: stones could have been, look at us, we dried up 349 00:19:25,550 --> 00:19:30,150 Speaker 2: the Jordan River. That one, especially from our perspective, looking 350 00:19:30,190 --> 00:19:34,370 Speaker 2: back in history, was very obviously miraculous. But there were 351 00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:38,390 Speaker 2: other things. So like, let's say you run a 1K 352 00:19:38,430 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: or a 5K or a marathon and And you train really, really, 353 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,669 Speaker 2: really hard and you get that bib. You know, my 354 00:19:45,730 --> 00:19:49,590 Speaker 2: son's got his cross-country bibs from all his races hung 355 00:19:49,670 --> 00:19:49,970 Speaker 2: up around. 356 00:19:50,190 --> 00:19:50,710 Speaker 1: His room. 357 00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:56,020 Speaker 2: And to me, that's a beautiful type of Ebenezer. It's, 358 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 2: look what God helps me do. The same way, like, 359 00:19:59,780 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: I like to surround myself with the book covers of 360 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,450 Speaker 2: the But there can be a fear. Oh, is this pride? 361 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:11,210 Speaker 2: You know, so let's picture I make a beautiful work 362 00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:14,010 Speaker 2: of art, but then I feel ashamed to hang it 363 00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:16,990 Speaker 2: up because I don't want to take pride in my art. 364 00:20:17,020 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 2: And I've said it before and I'll say it again. 365 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: That's why we need a word for pride and we 366 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,740 Speaker 2: need a word for pride. And one is good and 367 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,580 Speaker 2: one is a sin. And so I want to just 368 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,899 Speaker 2: talk to the people who like you wouldn't put that 369 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,220 Speaker 2: bib up or that piece of art up or whatever. 370 00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:39,190 Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's something that you consider extremely frivolous. Like, 371 00:20:39,970 --> 00:20:43,610 Speaker 2: I don't know, you made it to your graduation week 372 00:20:43,690 --> 00:20:46,190 Speaker 2: for your reunion and you feel really proud of that. 373 00:20:46,750 --> 00:20:50,610 Speaker 2: That's something that God helped you do. So it's better 374 00:20:50,770 --> 00:20:54,830 Speaker 2: to acknowledge that than to pretend like it didn't happen, right? 375 00:20:54,910 --> 00:21:00,260 Speaker 2: It's like false humility is... almost worse than just the 376 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:03,659 Speaker 2: kind of pride that's not a sin because false humility 377 00:21:03,770 --> 00:21:06,469 Speaker 2: includes a little bit of deceit. It's like, I'm not 378 00:21:06,530 --> 00:21:10,290 Speaker 2: even going to acknowledge this. So if there's something that 379 00:21:10,330 --> 00:21:12,630 Speaker 2: you're proud of in the good kind of proud, like 380 00:21:13,090 --> 00:21:15,629 Speaker 2: here's how you tell if your kid did it and 381 00:21:15,670 --> 00:21:18,550 Speaker 2: you would be proud of them, then it's okay to 382 00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:20,570 Speaker 2: be proud of yourself, you know? 383 00:21:20,590 --> 00:21:22,530 Speaker 1: Cause you've got a kid. Yeah. 384 00:21:22,910 --> 00:21:26,330 Speaker 2: So hang it up and, You know, if you don't 385 00:21:26,350 --> 00:21:28,130 Speaker 2: want to do it where people are going to see 386 00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:30,820 Speaker 2: if it's something private, keep it in a private place, 387 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: but allow it to be something that is a reminder. 388 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,540 Speaker 2: This is what God helps me to do because Ebenezers 389 00:21:38,580 --> 00:21:42,420 Speaker 2: help us look back at the past, but it's also 390 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,460 Speaker 2: so that if the Israelites ever came to another Massa River, 391 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,980 Speaker 2: they would have a reminder. God parted the waters once. 392 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,689 Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he do it again for me? 393 00:22:04,350 --> 00:22:08,450 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. And, you know, another kind of 394 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:13,660 Speaker 1: Ebenezer that you could do is just even drawing attention, 395 00:22:13,940 --> 00:22:17,780 Speaker 1: like setting aside time to reflect. I think, you know, 396 00:22:18,420 --> 00:22:22,370 Speaker 1: we seldom give ourselves time. okay, I'm gonna speak for myself. 397 00:22:22,810 --> 00:22:26,090 Speaker 1: I seldom give myself that kind of reflection time. I 398 00:22:27,030 --> 00:22:30,350 Speaker 1: don't do it for my family. I realize more and 399 00:22:30,410 --> 00:22:34,780 Speaker 1: more that for my family, I meet needs when they 400 00:22:34,820 --> 00:22:38,060 Speaker 1: need to be met. And when things are busy, I 401 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:40,860 Speaker 1: do very little else. I put out fires is pretty 402 00:22:40,900 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: much my MO. And I feel like reflection is really important. 403 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: And so even to make a time regularly, with your kids, 404 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: with your family, with your husband, with whoever, and just 405 00:22:53,540 --> 00:22:58,270 Speaker 1: kind of say, okay, what has God done? And I 406 00:22:58,330 --> 00:23:02,649 Speaker 1: will guess, because from experience, that at first you're going 407 00:23:02,670 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: to be like, draw a blank, unless you've gone through 408 00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:10,060 Speaker 1: like a really hard time or great time or something 409 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: where you have something monumental, literally monumental. 410 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: Right. 411 00:23:13,890 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: But to begin, I feel like it's important to get 412 00:23:17,340 --> 00:23:20,340 Speaker 1: those wheels turning because it's just like confession. We've talked 413 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 1: about when we have our times of confession and you 414 00:23:22,740 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: start off and you're like, okay, what am I going 415 00:23:25,180 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: to confess? And it's hard to think of things. And 416 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: then as you really train your mind to think about 417 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,830 Speaker 1: things and to recognize sin, it's the same with God's 418 00:23:35,910 --> 00:23:38,490 Speaker 1: answered prayers and with blessings and things like that. 419 00:23:39,070 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've got a question that might be tricky. I 420 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: want to know if you have a strong opinion about this. 421 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: I'm curious. How do you feel about tattoos as Ebenezers? 422 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 1: I think they're great. I don't have any problems with, 423 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I should and I'm not. 424 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: Is that why you're all tatted up? Is that the 425 00:24:00,020 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 2: new forehead tattoo? 426 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,659 Speaker 1: That's why I wear a long sleeve shirt. No, I 427 00:24:07,740 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: actually have zero tattoos, but okay, I'll tell you a story. Yes. 428 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,900 Speaker 1: I've told people through Praying Christian Women, and you know 429 00:24:15,940 --> 00:24:19,740 Speaker 1: that it was like around the time of like ISIS, 430 00:24:20,020 --> 00:24:22,139 Speaker 1: you know, the Islamic State. And I just had a 431 00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:27,090 Speaker 1: very big prayer burden for persecuted Christians in the Middle 432 00:24:27,170 --> 00:24:31,209 Speaker 1: East who were specifically being persecuted. And to be honest, 433 00:24:31,790 --> 00:24:34,609 Speaker 1: people of all faiths in the Middle East who were 434 00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:39,590 Speaker 1: being persecuted by the Islamic State, but specifically Christians. And 435 00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:45,220 Speaker 1: there was a, And it was the, I think it was, 436 00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: it's noon, which is like the symbol for the letter N. 437 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,860 Speaker 1: It means Nazari or Nazarene. It's like, basically that's what 438 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,110 Speaker 1: it stands for. And it basically means Christian. And what 439 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:03,990 Speaker 1: was being reported by some people was that the Islamic 440 00:25:04,030 --> 00:25:07,790 Speaker 1: state would go through villages or towns. And if they 441 00:25:07,869 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: found out that someone was a Christian, they would put 442 00:25:10,980 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: this symbol on their house to mark them as a Christian, 443 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,180 Speaker 1: like so that they could either be hunted down or 444 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,020 Speaker 1: treated poorly or taxed or whatever it was they decided 445 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: to do in that location. So there was persecution associated 446 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,139 Speaker 1: with this symbol. And so it became this movement. You know, 447 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,030 Speaker 1: a lot of people said, we are noon. And they had, 448 00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:31,050 Speaker 1: you know, some people had on their profile pictures, the 449 00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: noon symbol. And I actually, for a while... Like, probably 450 00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:40,399 Speaker 1: for a couple of years, I considered getting it tattooed 451 00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:45,870 Speaker 1: on my hand. Symbolic. Because some people get tattoos, like, 452 00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: between their thumb and forefinger on the top of their hand. 453 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: And I considered getting that symbolic of solidarity with persecuted Christians, 454 00:25:58,020 --> 00:26:00,820 Speaker 1: identifying myself as a Christian. 455 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 2: Right. 456 00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:05,109 Speaker 1: In that same time frame, I had been writing the 457 00:26:05,150 --> 00:26:09,020 Speaker 1: chapter in my book about hands and foreheads and just 458 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,460 Speaker 1: about the mark of the beast and how we are, 459 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, speaking of phylacteries, which are worn on the 460 00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: arm and the forehead, that basically to mark myself symbolically 461 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:24,260 Speaker 1: as God's looking forward to, you know, like at some point, 462 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,350 Speaker 1: if there is like physical persecution, I'd be like, yeah, no, 463 00:26:27,390 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm God's and never did it. And I would really 464 00:26:30,290 --> 00:26:32,989 Speaker 1: highly recommend that if you're considering a tattoo, you give 465 00:26:33,030 --> 00:26:33,729 Speaker 1: it two years. 466 00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:35,109 Speaker 2: Two years. 467 00:26:35,170 --> 00:26:38,409 Speaker 1: Wow. Because that's how long it took me. I was 468 00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:41,149 Speaker 1: thinking maybe, maybe not. And I finally was like, nah, 469 00:26:41,770 --> 00:26:44,170 Speaker 1: but it's, you know, it's there in my head and 470 00:26:44,350 --> 00:26:46,690 Speaker 1: it's market. But yeah, that's the convoluted way of saying, 471 00:26:47,290 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: I think tattoos are great. I think they're great Ebenezers 472 00:26:53,140 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: because if it's that important to you to remember that 473 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: What better use of a tattoo than to remember God? Now, 474 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,620 Speaker 1: I know there are probably Christians out there who have some, 475 00:27:02,700 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, biblical, are there biblical oppositions to tattoos? 476 00:27:07,140 --> 00:27:11,060 Speaker 2: The one I've heard is there is an Old Testament 477 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: law that says not to, some translations will say tattoo 478 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,740 Speaker 2: yourself for the dead or some mean just like don't 479 00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: mutilate your body on behalf of the dead. So some 480 00:27:23,100 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: people would be like getting a, you know, RIP mom 481 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 2: tattoo might be skirting that line or something. 482 00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: Okay. 483 00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:36,230 Speaker 2: But, you know, I'd say that falls under personal conviction. 484 00:27:36,930 --> 00:27:41,290 Speaker 2: To me, I am untatood as well. I've seen beautiful ones, 485 00:27:41,369 --> 00:27:42,690 Speaker 2: but I don't think it's for me. 486 00:27:43,270 --> 00:27:45,290 Speaker 1: I don't think it's for me either. Like that's the 487 00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:47,770 Speaker 1: only one I've ever really considered. And I do get 488 00:27:47,810 --> 00:27:52,250 Speaker 1: nervous because everyone that I've ever talked to that has tattoos, 489 00:27:53,369 --> 00:27:57,510 Speaker 1: says it becomes like an addiction. Like you'll get one 490 00:27:57,550 --> 00:28:00,570 Speaker 1: and then another. Although actually my husband, he has a 491 00:28:00,590 --> 00:28:01,930 Speaker 1: tattoo and he has just one. 492 00:28:01,950 --> 00:28:02,990 Speaker 2: I didn't know that. 493 00:28:03,630 --> 00:28:05,629 Speaker 1: He's talked about getting it touched up. I was actually 494 00:28:05,670 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: there when he got it. It was in college and 495 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: we were just friends at the time. It's an orca. 496 00:28:13,500 --> 00:28:16,379 Speaker 1: It's like a Pacific Northwest symbol of an orca because 497 00:28:16,619 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: he like Seattle was a really special place for him. 498 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: It was like the closest thing to home. that he 499 00:28:22,619 --> 00:28:25,020 Speaker 1: had moving around all the time. They had two different stations, 500 00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 1: like one in Seattle, one in Gig Harbor. And he 501 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 1: always just loved the Pacific Northwest. And so he got 502 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: an orca just to kind of remind him of. And coincidentally, 503 00:28:35,540 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: we actually went up to the Pacific Northwest for our 504 00:28:38,620 --> 00:28:44,460 Speaker 1: honeymoon when we first got married and got to kind 505 00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:46,750 Speaker 1: of revisit all the places he lived. But yeah, So 506 00:28:46,790 --> 00:28:50,070 Speaker 1: he's got it. It's very faded. And he's talked about 507 00:28:50,110 --> 00:28:53,190 Speaker 1: maybe getting it touched up, but so much money. That's 508 00:28:53,230 --> 00:28:56,130 Speaker 1: the other thing. It's a lot of money to get. 509 00:28:56,170 --> 00:28:57,530 Speaker 1: So it's never materialized. 510 00:28:58,130 --> 00:29:00,370 Speaker 2: Okay. So since we didn't have a just for fun 511 00:29:00,410 --> 00:29:04,010 Speaker 2: at the beginning, let's close with this. You need to 512 00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:08,190 Speaker 2: tell me what Ebenezer tattoo you would design for me. 513 00:29:08,970 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: And I will come up with one for you. So 514 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:19,230 Speaker 2: I'm picturing, I know you love octopus, octopi. So I'm picturing... Let's. 515 00:29:18,990 --> 00:29:21,270 Speaker 1: See if you're watching YouTube or got to. Oh, look 516 00:29:21,330 --> 00:29:21,730 Speaker 1: at you. 517 00:29:21,810 --> 00:29:22,450 Speaker 2: What is that? 518 00:29:22,650 --> 00:29:23,170 Speaker 1: It's like a fidget. 519 00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:25,660 Speaker 2: I mean, it's an octopus, obviously, but it's like a 520 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,340 Speaker 2: little squishy. 521 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,500 Speaker 1: It's just a squishy. And I just sit here and 522 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: I squish it. My mother-in-law got it for me. 523 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: Anyway. 524 00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:34,010 Speaker 1: Okay. I love it. Go ahead. So you know what 525 00:29:34,050 --> 00:29:34,310 Speaker 1: I like. 526 00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:39,969 Speaker 2: So octopus. And then I think I would choose like 527 00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: a Bible verse for each tentacle or maybe just like 528 00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:47,140 Speaker 2: a virtue for each tentacle. Like I forget if there's 529 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,660 Speaker 2: eight or nine fruit of the spirit, but something like that. Oh, 530 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 2: that's a good idea. 531 00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:52,580 Speaker 1: I like that. 532 00:29:52,660 --> 00:29:55,660 Speaker 2: But that's more like a symbol. I think if we're 533 00:29:55,700 --> 00:30:00,300 Speaker 2: talking about ebonies or specific to commemorate A moment in time, 534 00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: I'd have to rethink that. But let's say that can 535 00:30:03,660 --> 00:30:08,690 Speaker 2: just be symbols as well. So I would do, my 536 00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:13,390 Speaker 2: first thought was like Christian true crime junkies, like because 537 00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:15,790 Speaker 2: that had been like a kind of a, almost a 538 00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:16,970 Speaker 2: joke between us for. 539 00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:19,900 Speaker 1: A while and then we actually did it. And so 540 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,150 Speaker 1: like some kind of Christian true crime, like either our 541 00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:24,170 Speaker 1: logo or something. 542 00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:25,190 Speaker 2: I love that, yeah. 543 00:30:25,390 --> 00:30:28,010 Speaker 1: But then I started thinking something a little bit more 544 00:30:28,090 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: universal and could be something, some kind of beautiful plant, 545 00:30:33,460 --> 00:30:36,500 Speaker 1: maybe a prayer plant. And then I liked your idea 546 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,740 Speaker 1: of different things on the leaves, like different, like PCW, 547 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: Christian true crime, you know. 548 00:30:42,500 --> 00:30:43,260 Speaker 2: Oh, that's cool. 549 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,219 Speaker 1: Something like that. 550 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. 551 00:30:45,140 --> 00:30:46,570 Speaker 1: Because it has so many meanings. 552 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,580 Speaker 2: You gave me an Ebenezer and I still have it. 553 00:30:50,610 --> 00:30:51,690 Speaker 2: I use it as a pen holder. I remember. 554 00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: Oh, this is different. I'm thinking of something else. 555 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,060 Speaker 2: Okay. Were you thinking of the Christmas ornament? 556 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:57,500 Speaker 1: Yes. 557 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:58,820 Speaker 2: You're giving me two. 558 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,940 Speaker 1: Okay. So what's the first one? I forget. I don't know. 559 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,530 Speaker 2: You gave me a mug probably 10, 12 years ago 560 00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:11,990 Speaker 2: now with the Prevailing Prayer logo on it, which was 561 00:31:12,060 --> 00:31:16,450 Speaker 2: our very first iteration of this podcast. And I still 562 00:31:16,530 --> 00:31:18,670 Speaker 2: use it as a pen holder. It's in my office. 563 00:31:19,270 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: And it is an Ebenezer. It's a reminder of our friendship. 564 00:31:24,380 --> 00:31:27,940 Speaker 2: It's a reminder of what God's built with this podcast. 565 00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 2: And it's just sentimentally nice and practical because I have 566 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:33,700 Speaker 2: a lot of pens. Yeah. 567 00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:37,150 Speaker 1: I have mine, too. I should put it in the office, actually, 568 00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:37,870 Speaker 1: come to think of it. 569 00:31:37,890 --> 00:31:38,850 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 570 00:31:39,530 --> 00:31:42,390 Speaker 1: Your office chair actually matches it, the red and black. 571 00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:45,460 Speaker 2: It does, the red and black. That's hilarious. That's so funny. 572 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:49,100 Speaker 2: And then, yeah, last Christmas, you got me an ornament 573 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 2: with the book cover of the novel that Scott and 574 00:31:52,820 --> 00:31:54,140 Speaker 2: I co-wrote. That was so cool. 575 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:58,530 Speaker 1: Yeah. Shameless plug. It's amazing. It's called Leviathan Rising, and 576 00:31:58,550 --> 00:31:59,530 Speaker 1: it is so good. 577 00:32:00,230 --> 00:32:02,370 Speaker 2: I thought you were going to plug the wherever you 578 00:32:02,390 --> 00:32:04,570 Speaker 2: got like the Etsy source of the shameless plug if 579 00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:07,190 Speaker 2: you've written a book and you want it turned into. 580 00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:09,090 Speaker 2: That's totally where I thought you were going. 581 00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:11,130 Speaker 1: No, it was cute. I can't. 582 00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: It turned out really cute. Did it? 583 00:32:13,100 --> 00:32:14,770 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell by the picture because there were a 584 00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: couple of different ones. But yeah, basically, it's like a 585 00:32:16,900 --> 00:32:20,020 Speaker 1: 3D book to hang up and it has like the 586 00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: cover of your actual novel. Yeah. Yeah. But no, I 587 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: love Leviathan Rising. I can't wait for the second one. 588 00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:30,460 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a. It's just up on pre-order now. 589 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:31,940 Speaker 1: It's up on pre-order? 590 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,940 Speaker 2: ChristianBooks.today. Yep, as of two days ago. 591 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,260 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going. 592 00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:38,170 Speaker 2: I'm going. Yeah. 593 00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:38,790 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 594 00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:40,450 Speaker 2: I'm excited. Like you're not going to get a copy. 595 00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:43,170 Speaker 2: You'll be like, please find my typos for me. No, 596 00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:46,090 Speaker 2: I want to support the authors for sure because I 597 00:32:46,110 --> 00:32:46,930 Speaker 2: know how much goes into it. 598 00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:49,130 Speaker 1: So sweet. But oh my gosh, after I finished the 599 00:32:49,170 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: first one, and I love all of your books. I 600 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: think the reason this one was like, gave it an 601 00:32:54,780 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: extra oomph, you know, in my book was- because I 602 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: love sci-fi, and there's just a tiny element of sci-fi 603 00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: in there that I'm just like. 604 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: Ooh, this is so cool. Yeah, book two has a 605 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: good amount of science nerdy stuff in it. 606 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: But it has Alaska stuff, it has wilderness and survival 607 00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:14,100 Speaker 1: and apocalyptic, and it's awesome. 608 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:14,860 Speaker 2: Dogs. 609 00:33:15,460 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: And dogs, of course. Yep. 610 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,860 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for the shameless plug. And yeah, I 611 00:33:21,900 --> 00:33:27,980 Speaker 2: would just encourage everybody to A, Find a way to 612 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,180 Speaker 2: commemorate something that God has done. Correct me if I'm 613 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: just making a story up out of nothing, Jamie, but 614 00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 2: didn't you guys do something? Didn't you have maybe like 615 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: a rededication? You did something once your house was fixed 616 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,860 Speaker 2: after the really big Anchorage earthquake. 617 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,260 Speaker 1: Oh, that's so good. So our For those that don't know, 618 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:52,270 Speaker 1: we had an earthquake in Alaska. What was it, like 2017, 619 00:33:52,270 --> 00:33:53,470 Speaker 1: something like that? 2018. 620 00:33:53,470 --> 00:33:56,910 Speaker 2: It was big. It was like 7.1. This was a 621 00:33:57,130 --> 00:33:59,250 Speaker 2: big deal earthquake. It was. 622 00:33:59,690 --> 00:34:01,950 Speaker 1: And it was terrifying to be in our house when 623 00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: it happened. And afterwards, we thankfully were able to still 624 00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:09,980 Speaker 1: live in the house, but the soil liquefied because of 625 00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:12,910 Speaker 1: the groundwater coming up. And so the house sank like 626 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,819 Speaker 1: six inches to nine inches on one side and like 627 00:34:15,980 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: three inches on the other side. So it was kind 628 00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: of lopsided, not to the point where you really could tell. 629 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,140 Speaker 1: But if you like put a marble on one side 630 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,049 Speaker 1: of the kitchen, it would roll down. But we could 631 00:34:26,090 --> 00:34:27,819 Speaker 1: still live in it, which was great because I don't 632 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,469 Speaker 1: know what we would have done otherwise. But it took 633 00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:31,350 Speaker 1: a couple of years to get like maybe a full 634 00:34:31,370 --> 00:34:32,570 Speaker 1: year to get the repairs. 635 00:34:32,910 --> 00:34:34,270 Speaker 2: Oh, longer than that. 636 00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:37,750 Speaker 1: Maybe two, two years. And we got it. The repairs 637 00:34:38,430 --> 00:34:40,489 Speaker 1: actually finished up when COVID hit. 638 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,100 Speaker 2: Exactly. I was going to say you finished the repairs. 639 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, we finished the drywall repairs and stuff right before 640 00:34:46,460 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: the pandemic. But yeah, we had just our foundation. We 641 00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:53,020 Speaker 1: had to have our house raised and leveled and had 642 00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:55,660 Speaker 1: helical piles put in and all kinds of stuff. But 643 00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:59,489 Speaker 1: when we had to get the floors taken out and 644 00:34:59,530 --> 00:35:01,290 Speaker 1: redone because they had to cut holes in the floor 645 00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:04,069 Speaker 1: and stuff. So when all of the flooring was up 646 00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:06,290 Speaker 1: and all we had was a cement block in the 647 00:35:06,350 --> 00:35:11,049 Speaker 1: living room, we took like Sharpies and had the kids 648 00:35:11,219 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: and us, all five of us wrote Bible verses and 649 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:19,219 Speaker 1: stuff on the cement floor. Just, I told them to 650 00:35:19,260 --> 00:35:22,529 Speaker 1: pick anything that they wanted, but the theme kind of 651 00:35:22,590 --> 00:35:27,029 Speaker 1: was God's faithfulness. Like God is, you know, I think 652 00:35:27,150 --> 00:35:32,770 Speaker 1: mine was just the verse about not being shaken, remembering 653 00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: that God is our foundation. And that he is faithful 654 00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:40,030 Speaker 1: and that he brought us through because it was scary. 655 00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:41,790 Speaker 1: We didn't, you know, didn't know what was going to 656 00:35:41,830 --> 00:35:44,390 Speaker 1: happen if we were going to lose it or whatever. 657 00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:48,870 Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, that was a cool, that was definitely 658 00:35:48,910 --> 00:35:52,750 Speaker 1: an Ebenezer moment. Thanks for reminding me of that. Yeah. 659 00:35:53,530 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 2: One thing that I did for anybody with young kids 660 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 2: at home, every Thanksgiving, you know, those holiday cardboard, not cardboard, 661 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,390 Speaker 2: construction paper chains you make. This real simple colored paper. 662 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 2: We would have that as a countdown to Thanksgiving. And 663 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,100 Speaker 2: every morning we would tear one off and break it 664 00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:17,220 Speaker 2: into four pieces. And everybody would write on their piece 665 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 2: something they were thankful for. And we'd put it in 666 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,100 Speaker 2: our Thanksgiving jar. And then on Thanksgiving Day, we'd take 667 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,299 Speaker 2: turns just passing the jar around. Everyone would pull one out. 668 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 2: And it was a reminder of what we were thankful 669 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,299 Speaker 2: for for the whole month. 670 00:36:31,930 --> 00:36:34,509 Speaker 1: Oh, that's so cool. So basically you would have like 671 00:36:34,510 --> 00:36:36,650 Speaker 1: 30 or whatever, however, 24. 672 00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:38,049 Speaker 2: Four times however many days. 673 00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:41,650 Speaker 1: However many days. And you'd have four times that. That's 674 00:36:41,710 --> 00:36:43,049 Speaker 1: so cool. I love that. 675 00:36:43,610 --> 00:36:46,430 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the only rule was you couldn't, you had 676 00:36:46,450 --> 00:36:48,549 Speaker 2: to try not to repeat. So it wasn't like every 677 00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:52,980 Speaker 2: day you could be like, I'm thankful for my jeans. 678 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,219 Speaker 1: Right. Just to kind of get it over with. Like 679 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: you got to be creative. 680 00:36:57,780 --> 00:36:59,260 Speaker 2: Yeah. So. 681 00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:00,140 Speaker 1: All right. 682 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:01,500 Speaker 2: Well, anything else you want to add? 683 00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:03,790 Speaker 1: No, I think that's about it. 684 00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:07,860 Speaker 2: Well, let's go ahead then and close with our blessing 685 00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:11,580 Speaker 2: and benediction. May God enlarge your ministry today. May he 686 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,460 Speaker 2: widen the place of your impact. May the anointing of 687 00:37:14,500 --> 00:37:16,940 Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit equip you for every good deed that 688 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:19,970 Speaker 2: God has prepared in advance for you to do. May 689 00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:23,270 Speaker 2: he strengthen and encourage you in your calling because you 690 00:37:23,330 --> 00:37:25,910 Speaker 2: know that the labor in the Lord is not in vain. 691 00:37:26,610 --> 00:37:28,989 Speaker 2: May the author and perfecter of your faith bless you 692 00:37:29,110 --> 00:37:30,850 Speaker 2: so that you can be a blessing to others. 693 00:37:31,570 --> 00:37:36,069 Speaker 1: And our benediction is from 1 Corinthians 15, 58. Therefore, 694 00:37:36,110 --> 00:37:39,630 Speaker 1: my beloved brothers, be steadfast and movable, always abounding in 695 00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:42,259 Speaker 1: the work of the Lord, knowing that in the Lord 696 00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: your labor is not in vain. Was that the same? 697 00:37:45,739 --> 00:37:49,390 Speaker 1: Was that similar to what you just said? or totally different. 698 00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:51,049 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. You know your labor and the Lord 699 00:37:51,130 --> 00:37:52,330 Speaker 2: is not in vain. You're right. 700 00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:55,350 Speaker 1: That was not planned, folks. So listen up. 701 00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:56,130 Speaker 2: Rewind. 702 00:37:56,250 --> 00:37:59,330 Speaker 1: Listen again. God is speaking today. 703 00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:02,470 Speaker 2: So I think we have, all right, let's be nerdy 704 00:38:02,489 --> 00:38:05,489 Speaker 2: for a minute. I think we cycled through about 24 705 00:38:05,489 --> 00:38:09,390 Speaker 2: benedictions and about 24 blessings. So if we had to 706 00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 2: do the math to figure out the likelihood of This 707 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,900 Speaker 2: blessing going with this benediction, I think you'd have to 708 00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:20,140 Speaker 2: do like 24 factorial or something. 709 00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:21,299 Speaker 1: It'd be a big number. 710 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:21,910 Speaker 2: Yeah. 711 00:38:21,989 --> 00:38:23,170 Speaker 1: Oh, maybe it's factorial. 712 00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:23,490 Speaker 2: Yeah. 713 00:38:23,550 --> 00:38:24,649 Speaker 1: But still, it's a lot. 714 00:38:24,690 --> 00:38:29,450 Speaker 2: It's something. Yeah. Okay. Well, have a great week, everyone, 715 00:38:29,469 --> 00:38:30,630 Speaker 2: and we'll talk to you all soon. 716 00:38:34,590 --> 00:38:36,450 Speaker 1: We'd like to take just a quick second to thank 717 00:38:36,489 --> 00:38:38,870 Speaker 1: the team at Life Audio for their partnership with us 718 00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:42,530 Speaker 1: on the podcast. If you go to lifeaudio.com, you will 719 00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:45,919 Speaker 1: find dozens of other faith-centered podcasts in their network. They've 720 00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:49,710 Speaker 1: got shows about prayer, Bible study, parenting, and so much more. 721 00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:51,270 Speaker 1: That's lifeaudio.com.