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Speaker 2: Cheers Scott Jennings.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wednesday, December the tenth, Greetings from Columbus, Ohio. If

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Speaker 1: you're watching on the live stream, you see it over

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Speaker 1: my shoulder. Beautiful Columbus. You know I lived here for

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Speaker 1: a while at one time. But I'm back tonight for

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Speaker 1: another event. The Revolution of Common Sense book Tour rolls

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the invitation.

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Speaker 1: Last night in Philly Phoenixville, more specifically, great crowd at

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Speaker 1: the theater there in Phoenix Somebody told me that theater

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Speaker 1: where we were is where they filmed The Blob. You

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Speaker 1: in that theater we were at in Phoenixville. But my

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Speaker 1: out last night. Tomorrow I'll be in Michigan. I guess

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Speaker 1: I've been Michigan Thursday, Friday and Saturday. They're going crazy

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Speaker 2: So that's how that's how I was thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: I've got an interesting conversation coming up on the show today.

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Speaker 1: We'll start it at twenty two minutes after the hour.

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Speaker 1: I was lucky enough to get on the show a

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Speaker 1: fellow named John Moseaylock. Now, if you're a baseball fan,

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Speaker 1: you know John mosey Loock. He was the general manager

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Speaker 1: Baseball's winter meetings are going on in Florida right now.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there's a looming possibility of a lockout if

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Speaker 1: in whether Major League Baseball should implement a salary cap

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Speaker 1: to enhance competitiveness.

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Speaker 2: Now a lot of fans want this.

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Speaker 1: We're going to cover a lot of baseball topics with

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Speaker 1: John Mosey lock Moe as we call him, beginning at

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Speaker 2: The show today.

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Speaker 1: I'll start, though, with the news, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: all that in watch. Nothing's happened today, but by the

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Speaker 1: like to spend some time today shaming literally unapologetically shaming

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Speaker 1: these stories that are now emerging out of Gaza regarding

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Speaker 1: The father of Noah Marciano is speaking out publicly for

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Speaker 3: About how his daughter died.

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Speaker 2: Avi is his name. His daughter was Noah. He was

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Speaker 1: Is that she was murdered by a doctor who put

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Speaker 1: Interesting conversation Teita for you today. John Mozelock, who just

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Speaker 1: He originally came to the Cardinals in nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 2: John Mosey Loock. Welcome to the Scott Shitting Show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Scott. I have to start by asking you

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Speaker 3: Wednesday, December the tenth.

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Speaker 1: Scott Sheenning's here on the Salem Radio Network more with

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to talk about the business of baseball.

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Speaker 1: We both love baseball. It's our national pastime. For me,

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Speaker 5: I think disparity is really the key word there. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: most amount of money in free agency? And that's tough because,

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Speaker 5: as a reminder, there's twelve hundred members in the in

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Speaker 5: the in the Players Association, so you know, not all

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Speaker 5: of them are making millions of millions of dollars, and

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Speaker 5: so it's a really tough challenge. And I think the

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Speaker 5: one thing I'd say to you right now, and it's

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Speaker 5: But the Commissioner's Office has some really smart people that

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Speaker 5: are going to work on this. The players Association has

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Speaker 5: some really smart people representing them, and ultimately you're hoping

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Speaker 5: that these two sides can come together so there is

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Speaker 5: not a work stoppage right now, we still have time

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Speaker 5: on our side, and given the intelligence of these two groups,

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Speaker 5: you hope they can solve this Rubik's cube, because in

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Speaker 5: the end, the best thing for this game is no

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Speaker 5: work stoppage. People are and that every four or five years,

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Speaker 5: we're not having an economic discussion about why I were

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Speaker 5: frustrated with the game, and that's ultimately what you want

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Speaker 5: to get to. And look, I've talked to players all

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Speaker 5: the time, who they understand the frustrations, but they also

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Speaker 5: slope for them and for me. I've obviously worked on

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Speaker 5: the management side for thirty three years and that's what

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Speaker 5: I represent. But when we all take a step back,

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Speaker 5: what's best for the game is the game of baseball

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Speaker 5: being played.

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Speaker 1: So you're raising this conversation that's going on between the

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Speaker 1: players and the owners, this agreement that they have to

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Speaker 1: negotiate from time to time, and there is a looming

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Speaker 1: specter of a baseball strike. People remember the ninety four strike.

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Speaker 1: The World Series, I guess was canceled. But baseball sort

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Speaker 1: of rebounded in ninety eight thanks to the Mark McGuire

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Speaker 1: Sammy Sosa home run chase, But a lot of fans

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Speaker 1: didn't come back, and you know, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: what do you think baseball fans want to see from

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Speaker 1: how detrimental would it be if there was a work stoppage?

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Speaker 5: Well, I definitely think a work stoppage would not be

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Speaker 5: great for the game. Anytime you're not playing, it's not

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Speaker 5: a good thing. What do I think the fans want

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Speaker 5: to see is compromise. They look at the argument of

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Speaker 5: millionaires versus billionaires as not one that many want to

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Speaker 5: weigh in on. In other words, they feel like they've

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Speaker 5: both millionaires and billionaires have won. So figure it out.

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Speaker 5: And so you know, as you as we approach this,

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Speaker 5: and again we have over a year to do this,

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Speaker 5: you're hoping that both sides realize that and they realize

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Speaker 5: what's at stake. And if you think about it too,

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Speaker 5: in the terms of like, you know, owners have a

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Speaker 5: law window. Right an owner of a team, maybe someone

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Speaker 5: who owns it for thirty years, what's the length of

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Speaker 5: player's career. Their windows are shorter, and by not playing

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Speaker 5: the game of baseball, that's not in their best interest.

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Speaker 5: And so ultimately, you hope cooler heads prevail. You hope

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Speaker 5: everybody understands that trying to find a model that does

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Speaker 5: create competitive balance is in everybody's best interest, because even

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Speaker 5: though we have things in place now with a salary

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Speaker 5: or payroll tax, it's still not allowing the bottom third

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Speaker 5: to truly compete on a regular basis. And that's ultimately

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Speaker 5: what you want to do. And so when you run

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Speaker 5: a baseball team, what you'd really like to be able

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Speaker 5: to say is like, look, we're doing it right, We're

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Speaker 5: making smart decisions or being rewarded for it. What you

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Speaker 5: don't want to do is say like, look, I can't

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Speaker 5: get our payroll over eighty five million, therefore I have

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Speaker 5: no chance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at some polling data on this the

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Speaker 1: other day. A recent Whole show that sixty nine percent

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Speaker 1: of casual baseball fans said they support a salary cap.

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Speaker 1: But then you get among avid baseball fans and the

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Speaker 1: numbers went up people that watched the games the most.

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Speaker 1: That number went up to seventy nine percent. That voice

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Speaker 1: you're hearing today, John Moseylock, president of Baseball Operations, just

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Speaker 1: retired from that job with the Saint Louis Cardinals, really

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Speaker 1: fascinating conversation about the business of baseball. We'll finish up

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Speaker 1: our conversation with him in just a moment, but first,

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Speaker 1: a quick word from Americans for Free Markets.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking about it and it has to do

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Speaker 2: with debanking.

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Speaker 1: You know, these regulators pressuring banks to take away financial

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Speaker 1: services from people for political reasons.

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Speaker 2: They did it to the President's family.

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Speaker 1: But Americans for Free Markets is standing up and doing

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Speaker 1: something about it. First of all, they say thank you

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump, the President, for his executive order.

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Speaker 2: Second of all, they say Congress needs to do more.

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Speaker 1: They need to join the president, codify the executive order,

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Speaker 1: make this critical reform permanent.

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Speaker 2: That's what we need.

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Speaker 1: Americans for Free Markets is making the case if you

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Speaker 1: want to get involved in stopping forever this issue of

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Speaker 1: d banking.

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Speaker 2: Go to four free Markets dot Org.

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Speaker 1: Wednesday, December the tenth, Common Sense for the American People.

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Speaker 1: I'm Scott Jennings more with John mosey Loock. When we

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Speaker 1: come back here on the Salem Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: Breaking a news into the Scott Jennings Show.

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Speaker 1: The Federal Reserve has met and cut its benchmark interest

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Speaker 1: rate by zero point two five percentage points. It's now

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Speaker 1: at the lowest level in over three years. Fed Sherman

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Speaker 1: Jerome pal still speaking in Washington. Let's finish our conversation here.

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Speaker 1: Common Sense for the American People. Here's more with John

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Speaker 1: mose Loock, former head of baseball operations for the Saint

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Speaker 1: Louis Cardinals. So Mo, we like to do rapid fire

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Speaker 1: on the show sometimes, so I'm gonna give you some

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Speaker 1: rapid fire questions. These are designed to be yes or no,

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Speaker 1: and if you go beyond yes or no, it has

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Speaker 1: to be very short answers. So I'm going to start here,

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Speaker 1: what of the recent rules changes work?

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Speaker 3: Did this work?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Or no?

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Speaker 1: Instant replay, which by the way, isn't really instant, But

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Speaker 1: did instant replay help baseball?

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Speaker 2: Yes or no?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Did the pitch clock yes.

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Speaker 1: Ghost runner and extra innings yes? Fanning the shift, yes,

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Speaker 1: larger basis. Yes, so you are fully supportive of all

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Speaker 1: the rules changes. Well, if the ghost runner is so good,

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Speaker 1: why don't they use it in the World Series?

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Speaker 5: Okay, So here's why I'm an advocate for the putting

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Speaker 5: the runner on second. When you have a roster to

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Speaker 5: manage of twenty six players and you play a seventeen

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Speaker 5: or eighteen inning game, you're having to turn over three

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Speaker 5: or four pitchers. Right now, we've put in rules that

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Speaker 5: don't allow us the flexibility to option players back and

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Speaker 5: forth quite as easily as we used to be five

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Speaker 5: or ten, fifteen years ago. So if we want to

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Speaker 5: start changing those rules again, then I'm fine with getting

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Speaker 5: rid of the runner on second. But we currently are

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Speaker 5: very restrictive on how quickly we can bring some back

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Speaker 5: from Memphis to the big leagues.

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Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, fair enough, And here's a prospective

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Speaker 1: rules question. Are you, now, as a fan, looking forward

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Speaker 1: to automated strike zones and the challenge system that's coming

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Speaker 1: to Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 5: I am yes.

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Speaker 2: Do you think eventually all balls and strikes will be automated?

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 5: I just think technology, just as it continues to evolve,

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Speaker 5: We're just gonna welcome that. And I'm very close with umpires.

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Speaker 5: You're still gonna need umpires. You're still gonna need a

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Speaker 5: home plate, umpire. There's gonna be plays at the plate.

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Speaker 1: All right, here's three yes or nos? Should these players

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Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame? Dale Murphy Yes, Don

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Speaker 1: Mattingly Yes, Pete Rose Yes?

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Speaker 2: All right, three yeses? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Twenty eleven, Be honest, where was your confidence meter in

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Speaker 1: the ninth inning, Game six of the World Series? Down

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Speaker 1: to your last strike down to the Rangers? Had you

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Speaker 1: resigned yourself to the to a bad ending to the

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Speaker 1: World Series? And to this day, can you believe the

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Speaker 1: most incredible game and the most incredible comeback in Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball history?

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Speaker 5: Confidence level pretty low? Started shotting some notes on what

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Speaker 5: I was going to say to the club, and then

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Speaker 5: obviously David Freeze allowed me to roll that up and

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Speaker 5: throw it out, and yeah, the rest was history. But

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Speaker 5: it was I was incredible a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: Who will manage a baseball team in the major leagues? First,

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Speaker 1: Albert Pouholz or Yati Ramolina.

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Speaker 5: Well that's sort of a tough question for me to answer,

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Speaker 5: because friends with both but I think both are going

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Speaker 5: to get a chance. I think, you know, right now,

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Speaker 5: with Albert doing TV's out there, so I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of people are familiar with him, that's going to

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Speaker 5: help him. And then of course Yatti, I think's going

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Speaker 5: to Mexico this summer to keep, you know, grinding away.

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Speaker 5: But you know, both love the game, both are super intelligent,

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Speaker 5: and I think at some point they'll get their chance.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Question, Obviously, as a general manager, as the head of

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Speaker 1: baseball operations, you're getting a lot of commentary on the

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Speaker 1: decisions that you're making out there, a lot of that

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Speaker 1: commentary coming via social media. While you were serving in

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Speaker 1: this position with the Cardinals, did you have a dummy

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Speaker 1: Twitter or x account where you were following the commentary

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Speaker 1: and perhaps commenting on things.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I'm going to answer this. Honestly, I did have

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Speaker 5: an account. It was I wasn't trying to do it

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Speaker 5: like as I was hidden because I was never responding.

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Speaker 5: But I don't think anybody actually knew who it was

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Speaker 5: because they're just random numbers and letters. But you know,

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Speaker 5: as a matter of fact, I kind of stopped like

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Speaker 5: doing the whole Twitter thing about seven eight years ago,

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Speaker 5: because it just became so noisy.

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Speaker 1: Amazing conversation today. You've been a wonderful guest on the

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Speaker 1: Scott Jenning Show. Thanks for illuminating us on this conversation

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Speaker 1: about a salary caps. It's true, right, major League Baseball

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Speaker 1: is the last major sports league without a system like this. Right,

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Speaker 1: that is correct?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I guess in your opinion it's worked out

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Speaker 1: for everybody else and something to think about for Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a good way of saying it.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Really honored to have John Mozelac on the Scott

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Speaker 1: Jenning Show today. A little off the beaten path for us,

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Speaker 1: but I think an interesting conversation. With Baseball's Winter meetings

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Speaker 1: going on tomorrow and the next day will be broadcasting

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Speaker 1: live from Michigan, the Revolution for Common Sense book tour continues.

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Speaker 1: Really really honored that you join the show, Happy that

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Speaker 1: folks are enjoying the book, and I love bringing this

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Speaker 1: to you every day. Join us again tomorrow, Common Sense

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Speaker 1: for the American people. Scott Jenning on the Salem Radio Network.

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Speaker 3: I want to call minute you had a comm stade

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Speaker 3: Samon