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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Love Offering podcast host Rachel Adams, author

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Speaker 2: of every Day Prayers for Love, Learning to Love God, others,

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Speaker 2: and even yourself. Each week we dive into meaningful conversations

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Speaker 2: about how to live out the greatest commandment, living God

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Speaker 2: with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength, and

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Speaker 2: loving our neighbors as ourselves, whether through inspiring stories, practical tips,

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Speaker 2: or biblical truths. I hope to encourage you to love boldly,

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Speaker 2: live faithfully, and reflect God's love in your everyday life. Today,

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to welcome Jen Lily to the show. Jen

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Speaker 2: is an award winning actress, producer, singer, author, and advocate

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Speaker 2: for vulnerable children. Beyond her work on the screen, she's

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Speaker 2: passionate about pointing people to hope, encouraging families, and helping

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Speaker 2: others walk boldly in their God given purpose. In her

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Speaker 2: new devotional wake Up Your Faith three hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: five Daily Encounters with Jesus, Jen invites us into a

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Speaker 2: year long journey of spiritual renewal rooted in scripture. Each

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Speaker 2: day offers biblical wisdom and practical steps to help us

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Speaker 2: to reignite our faith claim God's promises. Since the Spirit's

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Speaker 2: presence and stand firm and the authority we've been given

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Speaker 2: in Christ.

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Speaker 1: Well, Hello Jin and welcome to the Love Offering Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be here, and I love your

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Speaker 3: mission because.

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Speaker 1: It is all about love. Oh it is, and I'm loving.

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Speaker 2: Nobody can see you right now, but I'm loving your

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Speaker 2: Christmas sweater. We are right in the middle of December

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Speaker 2: and you're in the spirit.

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Speaker 1: You're embodying it so well today.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I have at least fifty Christmas sweaters.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's still a bin in my attic. It's

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Speaker 3: so funny because I don't have clothes like year round,

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Speaker 3: my closet is so bare, like a capsule, but at

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Speaker 3: Christmas I have over fifty. Like I have to order

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Speaker 3: more hangars every year for my sweaters. I love an

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Speaker 3: ugly christmaswater. I think they're so fun Well.

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Speaker 2: Yours is not ugly, and I think you like, so

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Speaker 2: you're almost gonna have to just wear to a day,

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Speaker 2: you know, like just do a wardrobe change throughout the day.

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Speaker 1: Or whatever, you know from we're events.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, so speaking of Christmas this time of year,

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm always a fan of Palmark Channel, Great

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Speaker 2: American family always, but it seems like at Christmas time

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Speaker 2: even more so. And so for those that don't know you,

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Speaker 2: which I think that they probably do, they've seen your

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Speaker 2: face on a screen on many different places. So I'd

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Speaker 2: love to just hear as we start, like you're beginning,

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Speaker 2: how did you become an actress and a producer? And

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Speaker 2: I know it's a long story, but I'd love to

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Speaker 2: hear the beginning of all that to.

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Speaker 1: Make it super short.

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Speaker 3: Basically, I realized in college that I wanted to be

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Speaker 3: an actor. I was always interested in storytelling as a

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Speaker 3: young kid. I wanted to to have influence. I wanted

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Speaker 3: to and I don't mean influence like I'm not an influencer.

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Speaker 3: I am literally anything. But I suppose I could be,

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Speaker 3: but my soul can't do it. But I wanted to

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Speaker 3: I thought about being an attorney, because they have a

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Speaker 1: I thought about being a teacher.

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Speaker 3: They don't make a lot of money, but they certainly

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Speaker 3: have an impact, and then I found acting. It was

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Speaker 3: just auditioning for It was an open call for a

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Speaker 3: film called The Loss of Life, which has since been destroyed,

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Speaker 3: But it was so funny. I got on set and

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Speaker 3: I realized, I'm not afraid of the camera. I love

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Speaker 1: So I prayed about it for years.

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Speaker 3: I worked really hard. I studied the business side of

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of just okay actors who work a lot.

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Speaker 3: So I studied that and I just really focused on

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Speaker 3: that for about eight years and things started happening. So

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Speaker 3: I was I was blessed in that door started opening early.

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Speaker 3: But I also co labored with the Lord and that

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Speaker 2: Well, I love how honest you are about it, that

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Speaker 2: I imagine how scary that must have been to uproot

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Speaker 2: That's truly inspiring.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was awesome. It was hard. We had

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Speaker 3: Like I have a whole YouTube episode that I started

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Speaker 3: and we ate rice for seven months. Rice and eggs

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you would do it all over again totally,

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Speaker 3: in college. I did love the Holy Spirit. I love Jesus.

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Speaker 3: I've always loved Jesus. But I was in a very

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Speaker 3: of faith in Jesus. I was having a crisis of faith.

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Speaker 3: So so really, I I credit churches in Los Angeles

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Speaker 3: actually for healing my heart through love because I grew

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Speaker 3: but there can be just in general in the church.

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Speaker 1: And I love the church.

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Speaker 3: I want to preface that when I say the church,

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about the entire body of Christ. I think

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Speaker 3: you're really a Christian if you have evidence of love

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Speaker 1: That's what your podcast is called. I mean, it's just true.

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Speaker 3: There's just a byproduct of love if you really are

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Speaker 3: following Jesus because.

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Speaker 3: But church heard is real, and in the South it

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Speaker 3: John Devere wrote an amazing book called the book The

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Speaker 3: Date of Satan, still super relevant and amazing. Highly recommend it.

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Speaker 3: So my journey of faith, I was nine years old.

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Speaker 3: And when I was nine, my parents, for various reasons,

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Speaker 3: amazing story, but it's not Elijah's most impressive story. If you,

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Speaker 3: So there's Elijah in the widow, she only has enough

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Speaker 3: It says like God had already prepared her heart. She

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Speaker 1: Book, Wake Up Your Faith. Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking with Jen Lily about her new devotional wake

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Speaker 2: Up your Faith three hundred and sixty five Daily Encounters

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Speaker 2: with Jesus. And So you're busy. Clearly, you've got a

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Speaker 1: You have a lot to do. How do you fit

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Speaker 2: We even talked about like we've had quiet time this morning,

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Speaker 2: We need it every single day. So talk to us

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and Hopefully I will not offend anyone because I'm

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Speaker 3: But then I'm like, Jen, God is the one that

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Speaker 3: I think for the Lord it's like one of those

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Speaker 3: brain games where you're like sworting the water, you know,

438
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Speaker 3: or it's like he's like, I got this is kind

439
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Speaker 3: of fun for me. I love making order out of chaos.

440
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Speaker 3: The Lord loves to redeem. It's in his business. It's

441
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Speaker 3: it's in his DNA if he has DNA, you know.

442
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, there is a permissive will

443
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Speaker 3: and there's a perfect will, like we don't. We don't

444
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Speaker 3: know the full picture, like that's what the Bible says,

445
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Speaker 3: like you see in part, you prophesy in part, but

446
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Speaker 3: like we don't. I just want to be in God's

447
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Speaker 3: perfect goal. And I want to not strive because I

448
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Speaker 3: love striving, you know. I want to be like I

449
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Speaker 3: want a million people in heaven because I said something,

450
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Speaker 3: but it doesn't really matter, Like the only thing that

451
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Speaker 3: matters is sitting at.

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Speaker 1: Jesus his feet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, as you're talking, I just keep thinking

454
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Speaker 2: about as we're in God's word and as we know

455
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Speaker 2: his truth, and as we're trying to trust him in

456
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Speaker 2: his sovereignty and in his plan and his will for us,

457
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Speaker 2: the enemy is wanting to do the exact opposite. He's

458
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Speaker 2: wanting to steal, kill and destroy. Talk to us about that,

459
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Speaker 2: to follow God's will even though we're being tempted by

460
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Speaker 2: the enemy to do what the world would have us

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 3: I love that you asked this question because I was

463
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Speaker 3: driving last night and I love driving alone because some

464
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Speaker 3: mom you're like, wow, this is amazing. It's so quiet,

465
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Speaker 3: and I was praying and worshiping. I love worship music.

466
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Speaker 3: Love worship music so much like all I listened to,

467
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Speaker 3: and I was just thinking about. You know, it's interesting

468
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Speaker 3: because you can I don't know whether I don't want

469
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Speaker 3: to blame everything on the devil, because there's God, there's us,

470
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Speaker 3: and there's the devil. And the devil doesn't always implant thoughts,

471
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Speaker 3: but he can. And that's why one of the books

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Speaker 3: in the New Testament says take every thought captive, make

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Speaker 3: it submit to the will of God. So I don't

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Speaker 3: know where this thought came from. I'm going to assume

475
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Speaker 3: that it was my flesh. But I had this thought

476
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Speaker 3: of again, like Jen, you're not doing that enough, you know,

477
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Speaker 3: Like I'm bad at social media, like I try to be,

478
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Speaker 3: but I hate it, Like like I know I'm showered,

479
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Speaker 3: but it's like it feels zapid and yucky to me.

480
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Speaker 3: And I and I look at people I'm friends with

481
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Speaker 3: and they're genuine people, but they're so good at social media,

482
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Speaker 3: you know. They're so good at being like here's me

483
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Speaker 3: and all my glam and all dressed up, like you know,

484
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Speaker 3: really documenting what they're doing and letting people know and

485
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Speaker 3: it makes them look so important and it's kind of

486
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Speaker 3: keeping up with the Joneses. And there is an element

487
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Speaker 3: of that, especially when you're starting out as an actor.

488
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Speaker 3: That's like smoking mirrors and like my face is falling

489
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Speaker 3: and that's fine. Like I want to age naturally. I

490
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Speaker 3: want to be Betty White, like I want to eventually.

491
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Speaker 3: I want to get old enough that like people are

492
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Speaker 3: still hiring me and I don't look weird, but you know,

493
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Speaker 3: it's like, what is going on with their face? There's

494
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Speaker 3: so many actors and I'm like, I can't watch you anymore.

495
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Speaker 3: I don't know what's happening. This is uncomfortable, this is

496
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Speaker 3: not like. This is I don't know what you look like.

497
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Speaker 3: You don't look like a person right now. I don't

498
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Speaker 3: want to be that. At the same time, there is

499
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Speaker 3: all this pressure to be like, you know, like to

500
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Speaker 3: be like by my deviosional like.

501
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Speaker 1: It's so amazing, and I'm like.

502
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Speaker 3: Like, I don't like to keep up with the Joneses.

503
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Speaker 3: And so I wrestled with it, like, Lord, should I

504
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Speaker 3: be doing more? Like should I be doing that?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: Should I play Esther like Esther dressed up? She paraded

507
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Speaker 3: around like do you want me to do that?

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Speaker 1: Lord?

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Speaker 3: This is so hard for me. And so there is

510
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Speaker 3: a lot of pressure to do that. And at the

511
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Speaker 3: same time, I'm like, it just doesn't matter. It just

512
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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. It's like, Lord, that's so stupid, you know,

513
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Speaker 3: Like I actually I just want to love people. And

514
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Speaker 3: I was praying to him last night. I was like, Lord,

515
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Speaker 3: I just started thinking about how much I love people,

516
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Speaker 3: and that's why I think the gospel is so important.

517
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Speaker 3: And I was doing an interview yesterday yesterday and this

518
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Speaker 3: guy said he talked to an evangelist, which you know,

519
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Speaker 3: an evangelist to somebody this was to lead people to Jesus.

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Speaker 3: He's also an interviewer, and he said he had this

521
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Speaker 3: evangelist on and the evangelist said, no, I don't talk

522
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Speaker 3: about Hell anymore because I don't want to offend people.

523
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Speaker 3: And I was like, that's not good, that's not good,

524
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Speaker 3: Like it's not love if you don't like there was

525
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Speaker 3: a secular video that was going around, so this is

526
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Speaker 3: like non Christians, and they were making fun of Christians

527
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Speaker 3: in such an appropriate way. They said, if Christians really

528
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Speaker 3: believed what was going on, then this is what they

529
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Speaker 3: would be acting, like like popping up to somebody on

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Speaker 3: the subway being like, do you know Jesus?

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Speaker 1: Do you know Jesus?

532
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Speaker 3: Because if we really believe that people are going to

533
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Speaker 3: hell if they don't have Jesus, and it's not because

534
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Speaker 3: they're so bad, it's like all of us, you know

535
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Speaker 3: Jesus is none of us are getting in because we've

536
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Speaker 3: led other people to Jesus. None of us are getting

537
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Speaker 3: in because we've healed the sick, or done wondrous signs.

538
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is Matthew seven twenty one through twenty three.

539
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Speaker 3: Many will come to me in that day and they'll

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Speaker 3: give me my resume. Lord, did we not do this

541
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Speaker 3: in your name? Do we not cast out demons in

542
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Speaker 3: your name? Heal the sick, do many signs and wonders,

543
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Speaker 3: And they'll say to them, depart from me, workers of lawlessness.

544
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Speaker 1: I never knew you.

545
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Speaker 3: It's like there are people in the church right now

546
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Speaker 3: who are on their way to hell because they have

547
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Speaker 3: missed the mark and they have taken on the deception

548
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Speaker 3: of the enemy and become self righteous. It's a very

549
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Speaker 3: easy it's a very easy thing to slip into self

550
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Speaker 3: righteousness where we think we're better than other people, but

551
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Speaker 3: we're not. We're just covered in the blood of Jesus.

552
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Speaker 3: We've just accepted that Jesus's blood is what we need.

553
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Speaker 3: And I was like, God, I love people so much.

554
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Speaker 3: I want all of them to know, like I want

555
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Speaker 3: to have all these people in heaven because of me.

556
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Speaker 3: And I felt like the Holy Spirit who loves that

557
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Speaker 3: of course, because he loves people. But he said to me, yeah,

558
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Speaker 3: but don't you think I'm the most important. They don't

559
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Speaker 3: think I'm even more important than these people. And he

560
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Speaker 3: didn't mean that in a way of like, don't tell them,

561
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Speaker 3: because he wants every single person like we're lost sons

562
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Speaker 3: and daughters, Like if you don't know Jesus, it's like

563
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Speaker 3: they don't know there, they don't know they're they're lost,

564
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Speaker 3: and they're not lost. Things that are lost have value,

565
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Speaker 3: they're treasures. They're not trash. They're lost sons and daughters.

566
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Speaker 3: They're dead in their spirit, and they don't know that

567
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Speaker 3: the Lord loves them. Of course that matters to God.

568
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Speaker 3: God knew that before the foundations of the world, Jesus

569
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Speaker 3: was going to have to be slaved. Jesus endured. We

570
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Speaker 3: don't even understand what Jesus endured. Don't even understand it.

571
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Speaker 3: Like the Passion that movie. I try to watch it,

572
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Speaker 3: I'm like gagging. I try to watch it once a

573
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Speaker 3: year just to be like, thank you Jesus, but I

574
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Speaker 3: can barely watch it, and it's like that's glamorous compared

575
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Speaker 3: to what he really went through. We don't understand the

576
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Speaker 3: depths of God's love. And yet, truly the most important

577
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Speaker 3: thing is to stop stop being a Martha who was

578
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Speaker 3: worried about all the busyness and be a Mary like God.

579
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Speaker 3: It ultimately wants us to sit at his feet and

580
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Speaker 3: know him.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy, you know, I'm so glad that you're bringing

582
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Speaker 2: this idea up. But there is a lost and dying

583
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Speaker 2: world that needs to know about Jesus, and so I

584
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Speaker 2: feel like even your book is just so timely, I think,

585
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Speaker 2: and relevant for just culture today. I am sensing, at

586
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Speaker 2: least within the last year, because of some current events

587
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Speaker 2: and things like, there is a shift in people their

588
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Speaker 2: faith waking up. And I feel like your book is

589
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Speaker 2: just gonna be like this domino effect and this continue

590
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Speaker 2: this rippling of empowering people. Do you I mean, do

591
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Speaker 2: you do you get that sense that this is coming

592
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Speaker 2: out at the exact perfect time. It's a movement happening.

593
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Speaker 2: Don't you think.

594
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Speaker 3: There's a movement happening. When Charlie Kirk died, I you know,

595
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Speaker 3: I didn't post about it. Some people were offended I

596
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Speaker 3: didn't post about it. But I'm like, look, I don't

597
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Speaker 3: know him. I don't know everything he said. I know

598
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Speaker 3: he's a brother in Christ. I don't really have a

599
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Speaker 3: feeling away the feeling about him. One way or another

600
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Speaker 3: because I don't know enough, but I think he's probably

601
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Speaker 3: pretty great because he loved Jesus and he was that

602
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Speaker 3: it seems what he was all about. I don't need

603
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Speaker 3: to know anything else, Like I don't want to get

604
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Speaker 3: on the gossip term. I don't want to get down

605
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Speaker 3: this conspiracy theories that have heard of it happening. I'm

606
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Speaker 3: like whatever. But afterward, I remember being in my driveway

607
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: and it was a couple of days after and I

608
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 3: started thinking about my book, and I was like, Lord,

609
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Speaker 3: what am I going to do with this bright, pink book.

610
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Speaker 3: And he was like, you're going to go to college

611
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Speaker 3: and high school students. You're going to start like a revival.

612
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Speaker 3: So I'm working on not with the Holy Spirit. But

613
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Speaker 3: I remember just sobbing in my driveway because I was like,

614
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Speaker 3: I didn't pick the timing of this book release, Lord,

615
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Speaker 3: you did, and now it comes at the perfect time

616
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Speaker 3: of people wanting to wake up. I mean, it was

617
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Speaker 3: number one in spiritual self helpinst like New Age crap.

618
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: I'll just say, absolutely trash garbage. You know, people that

619
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: are seeking truth, not the people who practice New Age.

620
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,719
Speaker 3: They're not garbage, but they're so lost and they're seeking

621
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Speaker 3: truth and they need to know that, like there's only

622
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Speaker 3: really the real power, real love is in Jesus.

623
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Speaker 1: And I want them to.

624
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Speaker 3: Wake up, and I want the church to wake up

625
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Speaker 3: because man if an evangelist is saying we shouldn't talk

626
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: about Hell because it'll offend people. Like I will tell you,

627
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 3: God will shake down the church. Bear, he will lay

628
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: us out bear because people matter to him and we

629
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Speaker 3: cannot nullify the word of God. We cannot change it.

630
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Speaker 3: It does not matter what our feelings are on it.

631
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Speaker 3: I had a girlfriend. I love her so very much.

632
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Speaker 3: She's one of my favorite people in the world. And

633
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: we were in a set one time. We're in the

634
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Speaker 3: makeup room. When I tell you, every head turned because

635
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 3: there's all these mirrors. She goes, You're not one of

636
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 3: those Christians believes the whole Bible, are you? And I said, yeah,

637
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Speaker 3: I am. She goes, No, you're smarter than that. And

638
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm sorry. I said to this person, like,

639
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Speaker 3: you know person's name, I am one of those Christians.

640
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: She goes, no, honey, she goes, so.

641
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Speaker 3: You're telling me that you think I'm going to Hell

642
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,479
Speaker 3: because I'm gay, And the whole makeup room stopped and

643
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: I prayed in my spirit like, Lord, you better give

644
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 3: me an answer, because I don't. You said you promised me. Lord,

645
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: you promised me in your word that you would give

646
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 3: me an answer for this right now. And I love

647
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Speaker 3: this person. I love this person. I would die for

648
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 3: this person. I would truly die for this friend. I

649
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: love her. And I spit out perfect timing with the

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Speaker 3: Holy Spirit. I said, person's name, I'll call her Sally.

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Speaker 1: Sally.

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Speaker 3: I don't believe you're going to hell because you're gay.

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Speaker 3: I believe you're going to hell because you have not

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Speaker 3: accepted Jesus as your Lord and savior. And you are

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Speaker 3: smart enough to know that that is the basis of

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Speaker 3: what all Christians believe, is that without Jesus, there is

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Speaker 3: no other way. And if you would like to talk

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Speaker 3: to me in my dressing room privately, you can talk

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Speaker 3: to me. Because if I have ever made you feel unloved,

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Speaker 3: if I have ever made you feel judged or unworthy,

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Speaker 3: that's a conversation that we need to have, and I

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Speaker 3: would like for you to address sat with me. But

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Speaker 3: I love you, But no, I don't believe you're going

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Speaker 3: to hell because you're gay. You have not accepted Jesus.

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Speaker 3: That is between you and Jesus, Like you need to

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Speaker 3: deal with that, like you know, it's like the world

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Speaker 3: needs to know, Like it's not that we are special,

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Speaker 3: but we are special to Jesus. Like it's the paradox

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Speaker 3: of the Bible blows my mind continually, like who is

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Speaker 3: man Lord? But you would be mindful of him that

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Speaker 3: you knew before the foundations of the world that Jesus

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Speaker 3: was going to have to die the most excruciating death,

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Speaker 3: so scrutiating you could not decipher whether he was male

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Speaker 3: or female. He did not look like a human anymore.

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Speaker 3: You knew you were going to have to do that,

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Speaker 3: and you still decided to create us because you longed

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Speaker 3: so much for family, because that's what we are, Like

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Speaker 3: we're higher than the angels in God's heart.

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Speaker 1: That is so crazy to me.

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Speaker 2: So we are special, but we're not special, you know, Yes,

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Speaker 2: paradox the paradox.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're going to talk about more paradox that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to take another brief break to hear a

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Speaker 2: word from today's sponsor, and when we come back, we

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Speaker 2: are going to talk about how faith with that works

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Speaker 2: is dead.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking with it Jen Lily about her book Wake

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Speaker 2: Up Your Faith three hundred and sixty five Daily Encounters

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Speaker 2: with Jesus. And you know, I think when we talk

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Speaker 2: about living out our faith, one of my favorite books

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Speaker 2: is James Mind Jim Oh is it?

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Speaker 1: Okay? This is I titled the book girl? This is

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Speaker 1: the exactent?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, Well, so talk to us about that

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Speaker 2: because I think that and I want to be really

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Speaker 2: clear when we say we are saved by faith that's

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Speaker 2: alone because of what Jesus already did on the cross, wizards,

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Speaker 2: what you just talked about, but our faith, because of

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Speaker 2: our love for Jesus. Then out of the overflow of

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Speaker 2: that there has to be fruit. There has to be

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Speaker 2: evidence of what we believe. And so talk to us

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Speaker 2: about that. We've got to put our faith in action, right.

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Speaker 3: That is literally, like you just answered your own question

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Speaker 3: for me, because that's what I say on every podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, let me be clear, it's not that we

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Speaker 3: are saved by works. We're saved by faith alone. Faith

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Speaker 3: in Hebrew Hebrew translated back into English, we call it faith,

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Speaker 3: but it actually just means trust, which is an easier

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Speaker 3: digestible word for me.

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Speaker 1: But It is exactly what you just said.

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Speaker 3: You cannot encounter love himself because God is love. And

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Speaker 3: I don't mean that in some sort of ethereal like

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Speaker 3: wishy washyway. I mean literally, God is love, like he

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Speaker 3: is his image is love and light like he is love.

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Speaker 3: You cannot encounter him and then not go out and

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Speaker 3: love other people because if you have been translated from

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Speaker 3: the kingdom of darkness into the Kingdom of light, you

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Speaker 3: are a new creation. You now bear his image. I

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Speaker 3: don't think that bearing his image. I don't think that

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Speaker 3: the Lord God Almighty, the Father. I think Jesus looks

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Speaker 3: like us now because he came down in human form,

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Speaker 3: and so people say that when they have near death experiences,

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Speaker 3: which is super interesting, that Jesus looks like a man, right,

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Speaker 3: He's called the son of man. He took on that form.

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Speaker 3: I think when God says I created you and my image,

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Speaker 3: he actually means to bear love and to bear light.

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Speaker 1: Very interesting.

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Speaker 3: And then when they send that was removed from them.

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Speaker 3: But when you be kind of Christian, you are a

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Speaker 3: new creation. You now bear the image of love and light.

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Speaker 3: You do not have to strive to produce the fruit

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Speaker 3: of the Holy Spirit. Which is love, love, peace, patient's kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness,

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Speaker 3: and self control. All of these things. Against such there

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Speaker 3: is no law. This is Galatians. Now, a tree, like

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Speaker 3: an apple tree, is not praying to God every moment. Lord,

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Speaker 3: please let me be bear apples. Please let me bear apples.

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Speaker 3: Please would you let me bear apples like it will

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Speaker 3: bear apples.

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Speaker 1: It's an apple tree. That's what it's meant to do.

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Speaker 3: In the same way as Christians, as followers of love

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Speaker 3: and of light and of Jesus, we will naturally bear

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Speaker 3: fruit of the Holy Spirit if we do not. James

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Speaker 3: is soapbold. Also my favorite book. James is so bold

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Speaker 3: that he's like, if you don't have actions, I don't

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Speaker 3: believe you have faith. You don't you say you do,

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Speaker 3: it's lip service. And then he goes on to say

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Speaker 3: Abraham when he was going to sacrifice Isaac and trusted

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Speaker 3: so much in the Lord that he believed that God

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Speaker 3: would even raise him from the dead, which also talks

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Speaker 3: about the Hebrews of Love.

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Speaker 1: And there's a whole bridge there, guys.

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Speaker 3: It was abra Ham's actions that were credited to him

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Speaker 3: as righteousness because it was his faith.

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Speaker 1: Faith is always an action item.

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Speaker 3: So yes, in my devotional I have action items because

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Speaker 3: when I was asked rite a devotional, I was like, no, thanks,

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Speaker 3: and then I decided to do it after a lot

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Speaker 3: of prayer and fasting. He's the Lord to like, wake

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Speaker 3: them up, wake up my church, get her ready, get

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Speaker 3: a ready jen Like God, there are going to be

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Speaker 3: so many people that say, to Jesus, didn't we do

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Speaker 3: all these great things in your name? And He's going

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Speaker 3: to say, depart from me, workers of lawlessness, Like these

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Speaker 3: are believers. These are believers who worked in miracles. I

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Speaker 3: mean they have some level of faith, but they didn't

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Speaker 3: know him. We have to wake up our faith. But

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, kind of just opening to a

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Speaker 3: random page. So I was like, I'll do action items.

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Speaker 3: So it's like consider how you can use your gifts

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Speaker 3: or talents to serve others today. So it's like action items,

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Speaker 3: like put what you just read into action. Because if

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Speaker 3: we did that, love covers a multitude of sin, people

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Speaker 3: would actually think that the church is pretty sexyfe we

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Speaker 3: actually loved people like we said we would. And that's

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Speaker 3: why I said to my girlfriend Nally, if I've ever

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Speaker 3: made you feel unloved you come and lay me out bear,

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Speaker 3: like tear me apart privately, because I want to repent

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Speaker 3: and I want you to know I love you, but

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Speaker 3: I love you enough to tell you that, like the

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Speaker 3: truth is, you need Jesus, because I need Jesus. Everybody

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Speaker 3: needs Jesus, and I love you enough to tell you that.

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Speaker 2: I'm wanting to get out my Bible so much with

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Speaker 2: you right now. But I'm just thinking about that Hebrews eleven.

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Speaker 2: And my memory isn't as good as yours, but it's

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Speaker 2: like by faith. Abraham went by faith, Noah built like

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Speaker 2: by faith. All these people goes back to like these

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Speaker 2: action items. And then I'm also thinking about in Revelation

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Speaker 2: how the Lord almost scolds the churches.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and.

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Speaker 3: Don't be.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's like I know your works, I know your deeds,

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Speaker 2: but you have forsaken your first love. And so we

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Speaker 2: do have to be really mindful. Yes, if we know

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Speaker 2: and love Jesus, our salvation is secure, but we still

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Speaker 2: have work to do, and very important work, not just

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Speaker 2: for ourselves, but so that other people can come to

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Speaker 2: know and love Him too. This is serious and generations

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Speaker 2: will be impacted for eternity, and so i think this

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Speaker 2: work and what we're talking about, the magnitude of it.

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes we forget that and we take it

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Speaker 2: for granted.

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Speaker 3: Do you think absolutely? I mean, I was praying this morning.

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Speaker 3: I'm like sweating even thinking about it. Thank God for deodorant.

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Speaker 3: But I was like, Lord, are you gonna make me

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Speaker 3: a preacher? Because I'll do anything you ask. Lord, just

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Speaker 3: never let it be about Jen, Like it's not about Jen.

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Speaker 3: I was researching Catherine Coleman and I read that she

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Speaker 3: sometimes would leave the stage when people would make it

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Speaker 3: about her because it grieved her. But I'm just like,

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Speaker 3: I hope I don't have to go preach. I will,

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Speaker 3: but I'm like, what are you talking about? And evangelists

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Speaker 3: will not tell people Jesus talked about Hell more than

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Speaker 3: anything else. There's this amazing guy named Mario Marilla. He's

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Speaker 3: this amazing evangelist out of California for decades. He's the

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Speaker 3: real Dale man. He's awesome. He said the Holy Spirit

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Speaker 3: put it on his heart recently to start talking about

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Speaker 3: Hell again. And he's said, Okay, Lord, what's the scariest

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Speaker 3: verse about Hell? Where do you want me to start?

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Speaker 1: Oh, isn't gonna make me cry.

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Speaker 3: And the Lord said. The scariest verse about hell is

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Speaker 3: John three point sixteen. Hell is so awful that I

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Speaker 3: had to send myself to save people from it because

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Speaker 3: they're not meant to go there. I was like, that's

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Speaker 3: not good, Like, what are you talking about. We're not

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Speaker 3: telling people because we don't want to offend them. It's like,

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Speaker 3: so then it becomes about you, like truly we put

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Speaker 3: on self righteousness. That is a lie from the enemy

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Speaker 3: that we wouldn't tell someone. It's it's a heart posture, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's what your podcast is about. Like faith

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Speaker 3: works through love, faith works through compassion. You can stand

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Speaker 3: on the corner and tell someone they're going to hell,

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Speaker 3: and you will do more damage than good because there's

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Speaker 3: no love in your heart. There is a spirit behind

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Speaker 3: the words of what we say. But when you really

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Speaker 3: love someone and you say to them like, it's not

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Speaker 3: all about hell Salthatan's not about like getting out of

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Speaker 3: health for free. It's that Jesus came to give us

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Speaker 3: life and life to the full and now, like heaven,

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Speaker 3: an eternity starts now at salvation. We were spiritually dead

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Speaker 3: and now we are born of the spirit. For the

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Speaker 3: very first time, and like we are living short. You

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Speaker 3: talk about like Elijah, like he had a holy spirit

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Speaker 3: in the Old Testament, Like what are we doing as

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Speaker 3: a church, Like we should be seeing miracles all the

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Speaker 3: time because the Holy Spirit is now in dwelling in us,

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Speaker 3: Like what are we doing?

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Speaker 1: Do we not love people?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's like probably like a nineties skit,

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Speaker 3: you know we did in church like skit dramas.

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Speaker 1: But it's truly, like it is terrifying to me.

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Speaker 3: I've lost a couple people and I've told them like

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Speaker 3: they've died, and I've wept bitterly over it because it's

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Speaker 3: like I told them about Jesus, but I didn't fight.

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Speaker 1: For them hard enough.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to offend somebody because it's not me

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Speaker 3: offending them, it's their flesh being offended by the truth.

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Speaker 3: If you speak the truth in love, you're doing the

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Speaker 3: right thing. Like it's not about us.

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Speaker 2: I want to be honest with everybody listening to Just

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Speaker 2: because I have a podcast and I write about it

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Speaker 2: and speak about love and faith doesn't mean that my

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Speaker 2: faith doesn't sometimes become stagnant. I want that same passion

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Speaker 2: and zeel, but it isn't always that way, and so

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Speaker 2: I have been encouraged by today's episodes like wake up Rachel,

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Speaker 2: wake up your faith. There is good work for you

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Speaker 2: to do, there's more to do. And so for the

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Speaker 2: woman that's just thinking like I'm in kind of a

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Speaker 2: stagnant place with the Lord and I want passion and

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Speaker 2: zel again, how would you encourage her today?

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say, sister, the Lord put that on

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Speaker 3: your heart, not you, because it says that God loved

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Speaker 3: us first. And it's always the Holy Spirit when we

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Speaker 3: feel convicted, because convicted conviction is different than guilt. Conviction

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Speaker 3: is different than condonation. Conviction produces fruit, Conviction production con

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Speaker 3: conviction that leads to something redemptive. So if you feel

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Speaker 3: that hunger and that passion, that's actually the Holy Spirit

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Speaker 3: in inviting you into all that he is, because He

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Speaker 3: does have more for you, and he has more for

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Speaker 3: all of us. I would say something I think about

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Speaker 3: a lot is that we pray wrong. We pray so

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Speaker 3: many times, Lord give us more of you, And he's like,

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Speaker 3: that's stupid, I can't. I gave you all of me,

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Speaker 3: I gave you all of Jesus. It is finished, it's completed.

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Speaker 3: I gave you my Holy spirit. What I need is

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Speaker 3: more of you. He needs more of us, not the

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Speaker 3: other way around. It's like what area is in our life?

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Speaker 3: And this is something I think about a lot, Like, God,

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Speaker 3: what do you need from me? What else do you

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Speaker 3: need from me?

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Speaker 1: Lord?

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Speaker 3: Would you please tell me so that I don't have

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Speaker 3: to go through the trial and learn? Would you not

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Speaker 3: have to like shake me down? I'm asking you right now,

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Speaker 3: like what else do you want from me? But be encouraged? Also,

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Speaker 3: the last thing I want to say to all women.

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Speaker 3: Sorry guys, but I heard this recently and I have

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Speaker 3: not been able to disprove it, and I.

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Speaker 1: Trust the source.

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Speaker 3: There's this preacher that I listened to sometimes and he said,

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Speaker 3: you know what's interesting. In Hebrews eleven and all through

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Speaker 3: out the Bible, every single man in Hebrews eleven did

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Speaker 3: not see the promise of God in their lifetime. But

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Speaker 3: he said, there's not a woman in the Bible who

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Speaker 3: did not pray and see the promise of God fulfilled

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Speaker 3: in her lifetime. Isn't that the most encouraging thing? Doesn't

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Speaker 3: that make you want to just like end full stop

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Speaker 3: right now and just go pray? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And it makes me want to open my Bible and

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Speaker 1: fears that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I've not been able to I've not been

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Speaker 3: able to find that to be untrue. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 3: was like, ooh, like the Lord loves a woman's prayer.

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Speaker 3: It's cool, so cool. Okay, So this is the question

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Speaker 3: I've been asking all my guess this season. And if

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Speaker 3: you've done such a good.

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Speaker 2: Job of talking about love, so cuteos to you even

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Speaker 2: more like hearts on your sweater?

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Speaker 1: So well done already.

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Speaker 2: So tell us, is there a biblical concept of love

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Speaker 2: beyond what you've already shared that you think applies to

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Speaker 2: this topic today?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 3: I just think that God is love. I mean that's

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Speaker 3: what I'll say, Like, he is love. It's exactly what

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Speaker 3: you said, Rachel, and I said, because it's what the

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Speaker 3: Bible says. If we now love, Erry, like, if we love,

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Speaker 3: we will love. Yeah. If we are not loving, we

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Speaker 3: need to go talk to the Holy Spirit because we

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Speaker 3: are operating in our flesh.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you need to go fast.

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Speaker 3: Jessus said, take up your cross daily, and he said

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Speaker 3: daily every time because.

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Speaker 1: He knew we're we're so it like staying on the

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Speaker 1: straight and arrow. He's like, maybe you need to do

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Speaker 1: this every day. Maybe you need to not make the

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Speaker 1: decision once. Maybe you need to do this as a

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Speaker 1: daily exercise.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, yeah, and people will know that we

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Speaker 2: are just His disciples by our love. So there's there

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Speaker 2: goes the evidence again.

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Speaker 1: And give yourself grace, guys.

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Speaker 3: I want to say that to you because I'm a

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Speaker 3: mom of four children, and sometimes I yell at my kids, guys,

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Speaker 3: and it makes me feel awful. I'm like, why did

947
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Speaker 3: I lose my cool? I could be kind to anybody else, strangers.

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Speaker 3: I am the nicest person and I meet it with

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Speaker 3: every bit of my heart.

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Speaker 1: My own children. Sometimes I'm who is raising me? Listen.

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Speaker 2: I've shared this with the listeners before, but my own daughter,

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Speaker 2: she's like, Mom, for you to be the host of

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Speaker 2: the Love Offering podcast, you're not acting very loving right now,

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Speaker 2: so we don't do this perfectly.

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Speaker 1: And I'm the grace. Yeah, so give yourself grace.

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Speaker 3: Like the Lord loves us, we need more we need well,

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Speaker 3: I guess we don't need more of him.

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Speaker 1: He needs more of us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, okay, so tell us something you are loving

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 3: Christmas, of all things, Christmas, I'm loving decorating cookies with

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Speaker 3: my kiddos.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, and eating those cookies. I can't exactly Okay,

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Speaker 2: I know I want to stay in contact with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure listeners are going to want to, so tell

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Speaker 2: us how we can get your book, watch your shows

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Speaker 2: all the things.

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Speaker 3: Well, as James says, I don't know how you can

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Speaker 3: watch my shows yet. I mean you can watch all

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Speaker 3: my old ones on Homark, Grand American Family, Netflix, all

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Speaker 3: the places.

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Speaker 1: If the Lord wills it.

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Speaker 3: I'll keep working and you can follow me on Instagram

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Speaker 3: if you want.

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Speaker 1: That's me on there.

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Speaker 3: And I do have Facebook, but it's honestly connected to

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Speaker 3: my Instagram. Guys like, I'm barely on Facebook. I feel

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Speaker 3: like they change it every five seconds and it gives

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Speaker 3: me anxiety.

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Speaker 1: I am Jen j E N Underscore, Lily l I

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Speaker 1: l e Y. I'm on there.

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Speaker 3: I'm very active on there on my page. At least

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Speaker 3: I don't doom scroll. I can't stand it.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, stay in touch and yeah, well, would you

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Speaker 1: pray for us as we close today? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Father, thank you for your Holy Spirit, Jesus. We

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Speaker 3: thank you for your obedience, obedience to a brutal death

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Speaker 3: on our behalf because you just love us so so much. Father,

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Speaker 3: ask that every single person this listening would encounter Jesus

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Speaker 3: through your Holy Spirit right now, Father, that they would

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Speaker 3: feel so seen and known and valued and loved.

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Speaker 1: God.

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Speaker 3: It asked that you would cover everything that I said

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Speaker 3: in just a bath of love and in your Holy Spirit.

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Speaker 1: God.

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Speaker 3: And if I have offended them, Lord, if it's because

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Speaker 3: of me, would you rebuke me, Holy Spirit, But if

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Speaker 3: it's because of you, Holy Spirit, would you gently lead

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Speaker 3: each listener into a deeper revelation and relationship with who

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Speaker 3: you are God. Maybe we never miss the mark. We

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Speaker 3: thank you, Holy Spirit, that you were always active. You

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Speaker 3: are always doing something, and Lord, we ask you today

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Speaker 3: could you show us what you're doing and could we

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Speaker 3: be part of it? Father, I just pray that every

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Speaker 3: person would wake up their faith, myself included.

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Speaker 1: Lord.

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Speaker 3: Maybe my heart's never grow dull. Father, Maybe we take

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Speaker 3: up our cross daily, we may keep our eyes on

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Speaker 3: you and our hearts on you in Jesus Mighty name.

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Speaker 2: Amen, Amen Jin, thank you you are just such a

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Speaker 2: light and such a joy. And I can honestly say

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Speaker 2: I feel like my faith has come more alive because

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Speaker 2: of you. And I pray the same for everybody listening

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Speaker 2: today as well. Thank you, thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: it listening to the Love Offering Podcast. I hope today's

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Speaker 2: conversation encouraged and inspired you to love God, love others,

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Speaker 2: and even love yourself a little more. If you enjoyed

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Speaker 2: this episode, please share it with a friend and leaver

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Speaker 2: of you. It helps others find the show and spreads

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Speaker 2: the message of love even further. To connect with me,

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Speaker 2: visit me on my website at Rachelkadams dot com. While

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Speaker 2: you're there, be sure to download the Love Offering Calendar,

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Speaker 2: a free resource filled with simple daily ways to love

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Speaker 2: those around you. Don't forget to pick up a copy

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Speaker 2: of my book Every Day Prayers for Love, as well

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Speaker 2: as Jin's book Wake Up Your Faith three hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty five Daily Encounters with Jesus. A special thank you

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Speaker 2: to Life Audio for supporting this message and making it

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Speaker 2: possible to find more great podcasts visit lifeaudio dot com.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again for joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, let's make our lives an offering of love.