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Speaker 2: All you have to do is say yes, I'm willing

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Speaker 2: to learn how to operate my system this way. So

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Speaker 2: whatever state you've been in, however long it's been true

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Speaker 2: for you, however stuck you feel, I promise you, neurologically, physiologically, theologically, practically, experientially,

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Speaker 2: you can change your life as soon as you're willing

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Speaker 2: to think different.

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Speaker 3: This podcast is for the woman who loves Jesus or

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Speaker 3: who is longing to reconnect with him, and who knows

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Speaker 3: deep down that alcohol is no longer serving her. I'm

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Speaker 3: your host and your coach, Christy Osborn. Here we'll talk honestly,

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Speaker 3: with grace and truth about how stepping away from wine

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Speaker 3: opens the door to the love, joy, peace, and connection

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Speaker 3: you've been searching for. Because, Babe, those were never meant

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Speaker 3: to be found in a bottle of wine, They're found

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Speaker 3: in Jesus. Through scripture, coaching and neuroscience, I'll help you

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Speaker 3: make sense of your habits, your nervous system, and your

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Speaker 3: heart so freedom feels possible and sustainable. You don't have

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Speaker 3: to do this alone, Babe. Welcome to Love Life Sober. Hey, babe,

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Speaker 3: welcome back to Love Life Sober. Today is a really

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Speaker 3: special episode to me because I get to chat with

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Speaker 3: my friend and mentor, doctor Lee Warren. His work isn't

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Speaker 3: just essential for every woman on a sobriety journey, it's

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Speaker 3: essential for every human on a sanctification journey. His new

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Speaker 3: book is called The Life Changing Art of Self Brain

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Speaker 3: Surgery and Babe. It's basically the user manual for take

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Speaker 3: your Thoughts captive. In our community, we talk all the

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Speaker 3: time about how we get to change our thinking to

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Speaker 3: change our drinking, and this book is the practical, step

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Speaker 3: by step how behind that. It's basically like an operating

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Speaker 3: manual for your mind. Once you read it, you're going

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Speaker 3: to start seeing your cravings differently. You're going to realize

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Speaker 3: you don't have to obey every thought that shows up

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Speaker 3: in your head, and you don't have to treat your

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Speaker 3: feelings like their facts. In this conversation, doctor Lee walks

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Speaker 3: us through why our brains get stuck in patterns, how

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Speaker 3: new neural pathways actually and why numbing out always comes

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Speaker 3: with a cost. So, whether you're in the early days

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Speaker 3: of not drinking, you're working on healing negative self talk,

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Speaker 3: or you're just a human trying to do your best

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Speaker 3: and wondering why your brain feels like it's fighting you

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day. This episode is going

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Speaker 3: to give you language tools and so much hope, because, Babe,

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Speaker 3: you have so much more power than you think you do.

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Speaker 3: You are not stuck with the brain you woke up

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Speaker 3: with this morning. You are not doomed to repeat the

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Speaker 3: same five PM pattern just because you've done it a

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Speaker 3: million times before. You have the choice to change your thinking.

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Speaker 3: And when you change your thinking, you can change your drinking.

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Speaker 3: Let's start renewing our mind together. Okay, let's dive in. Hi,

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Speaker 3: doctor Lee, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Christy? Is so good to see you, friend. I'm doing great.

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Speaker 4: So good to see you. This book is just so good.

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Speaker 3: I was familiar with the Ten Commandments, obviously, because I

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Speaker 3: love them and I use them all the time, and

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Speaker 3: so I kind of into this book just thinking, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I kind of know what he's going to say. But

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Speaker 3: it is so rich, and it is so well laid out,

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Speaker 3: and it is so practical. This book, you guys, the

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Speaker 3: life changing Art of Self Brain Surgery order right now.

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Speaker 3: I told Doctor Lee it is required reading for the

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Speaker 3: love life sober community gals. But I'd actually like just

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Speaker 3: love to start kind of weirdly at the end, I

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Speaker 3: got really emotional listening to your epilogue and having this

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Speaker 3: moment with Lisa where you realized that what you had

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Speaker 3: put together with your faith and all of your expertise

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Speaker 3: what you had been through, what you guys had been through.

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Speaker 2: just have to say. Like, the lesson of all this

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Speaker 2: And then we started getting emails from people who said, hey,

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Speaker 2: your brain becomes, and the less you have to consciously

436
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Speaker 2: think about it to enact that brain habit, if you will.

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Speaker 2: And so that explains things like why you can take

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Speaker 2: your kid to a new school tomorrow. In the first

439
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Speaker 2: two or three days that you drive, you have to

440
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Speaker 2: think about the drive a lot, like every turn and

441
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Speaker 2: every stop signing, every school zone and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: And after a couple of weeks, you get to school

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Speaker 2: one day and you realize you never even thought of

444
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Speaker 2: about the dry Like you were on your phone, or

445
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Speaker 2: you were listening to music or whatever, you're yelling at

446
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Speaker 2: the kids or talking to your child or whatever, and

447
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Speaker 2: you never even thought about it because your brain automated

448
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Speaker 2: all that stuff that you needed to do and you

449
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Speaker 2: didn't have to use your mental processing power. Your mind

450
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Speaker 2: and your brain are not the same thing. Your brain

451
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Speaker 2: automated that because you directed it to do so, and

452
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Speaker 2: neuroplasticity kicked in to wire that in and make it automated.

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Speaker 2: And so what happens to most of us is we

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Speaker 2: think the same thoughts every day. We believe our thoughts

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Speaker 2: and feelings. We do that over and over and over

456
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Speaker 2: enough that the brain says, okay, Well, if you want

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Speaker 2: me to feel anxious all the time, every time this

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Speaker 2: happens or every time I get a text message I'm

459
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Speaker 2: supposed to be scared or I'm supposed to be mad

460
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Speaker 2: or whatever, I'm just going to automate that, and that'll

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Speaker 2: become how I feel all the time. Yeah, And now

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Speaker 2: I don't think about why I feel that way. It's

463
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Speaker 2: just how I feel. And then I've become a person

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Speaker 2: who's just sad all the time or I'm anxious all

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Speaker 2: the time or whatever. And it's because it's not your

466
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Speaker 2: fault because you weren't aware that you were automating that,

467
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Speaker 2: but it's because you have automated it. And so when

468
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Speaker 2: we get back to the question that you gave me,

469
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Speaker 2: when somebody feels my brain doesn't let me do this,

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Speaker 2: the truth is if you are willing to decide to

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Speaker 2: become curious about your thoughts and feelings instead of reactive

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Speaker 2: to them. If you say, hey, wait, if doctor Warren

473
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Speaker 2: said eighty percent I want to think about, it's not true.

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Speaker 2: If I just start thinking about what pops into my

475
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Speaker 2: head and questioning it before I react to it come

476
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Speaker 2: about automatically going to be about eighty percent more accurate.

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Speaker 2: And the choices that I make about how I'm going

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Speaker 2: to respond to the things I think and feel, because

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Speaker 2: if I say, hey, wait a minute, that's not necessarily

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Speaker 2: true that thought that I just had down, I'll never

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Speaker 2: be able to overcome this. Or I'm such a loser.

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Speaker 2: You know, I had a drink last time. I must

483
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Speaker 2: be a horrible person. I'm never going to be okay,

484
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Speaker 2: I might as well just give in like that's not true.

485
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Speaker 2: Like so I know it's not true because Christy got

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Speaker 2: sober and other friends that might have done it. I

487
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Speaker 2: know people can do it. People who are just like me,

488
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Speaker 2: with the same set of troubles are able to do this,

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Speaker 2: So I may be able to do it too. So

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Speaker 2: I can question that thought, get curious about it instead

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Speaker 2: of just giving into it, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: I'm in charge of that thing that's happening in my

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Speaker 2: brain instead of the victim of it. I said to

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Speaker 2: my friend Daniel Emon, I said, if you don't operate

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Speaker 2: your nervous system, your nervous system will operate you. And

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Speaker 2: that's where most of us live. We live in this

497
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Speaker 2: thing where something pops into our head and we're obligated

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Speaker 2: to respond to it or we feel something, and it

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Speaker 2: means that we're experiencing something. But here's a little thing

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Speaker 2: that most people don't know. Your brain doesn't actually have

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Speaker 2: the ability to discern between something that's really happening and

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Speaker 2: something that you're just imagining. And that's why it's so

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Speaker 2: bad for us to have these imaginary conversations in our head.

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Speaker 2: Like when I get to this office, when I get

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Speaker 2: to the office today, that guy says that thing to

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Speaker 2: me again, I'm going to this is what I'm going

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Speaker 2: to say, and then he's going to say this, and

508
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Speaker 2: then she's going to say that, and I'm going to

509
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Speaker 2: put them in their place, and we have this whole

510
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Speaker 2: conversation in the shower. And guess what you're doing when

511
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Speaker 2: you do that. You're wiring your brain to be in

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Speaker 2: an elevated cortisol state, So you're stressing your physiology out

513
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Speaker 2: even though there's nothing actually happening. Yet you're automating a

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Speaker 2: behavior that says that when I interact with this person,

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Speaker 2: it's going to end poorly and it's going to be hostile.

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Speaker 2: And then you automatically begin to expect that person to

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Speaker 2: treat you that way even though they haven't done so yet.

518
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Speaker 2: And now, when you walk into the office today, your

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Speaker 2: emotional state and your electromagnetic state, and your heart coherence

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Speaker 2: and your mirror neurons and all these things that are

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Speaker 2: nonverbal about how humans communicate. Did you know that when

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Speaker 2: you get within fifteen meters of another person, your heart

523
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Speaker 2: rate affects theirs. Your physiological things that are happening in

524
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Speaker 2: your body begin to affect theirs, that their mirror neuron

525
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Speaker 2: system begins to mimic your emotional state even before they

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Speaker 2: speak to you or hear your voice. That means that

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Speaker 2: you have ways that you're influencing other people based on

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Speaker 2: your current emotional state, even if you never speak to them.

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Speaker 2: That's the basis of that Debbie Downer effect where somebody

530
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Speaker 2: walks in the room and you feel bad even though

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Speaker 2: you haven't talked to them, just because there's all kinds

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Speaker 2: of things that God put inside you that affect other

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Speaker 2: people that aren't just about what you say, say or do.

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Speaker 2: And so that means if you're rehearsing something internally and

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Speaker 2: getting yourself into this state where you're mad at somebody

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Speaker 2: or angry or whatever. You're already predetermining how the outcome

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Speaker 2: of that thing is going to play out, because they're

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Speaker 2: going to start reacting to that emotional state of yours

539
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Speaker 2: before you ever get there. So this question that you ask,

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Speaker 2: it's just a big It's a big question when you

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Speaker 2: say to yourself, I can't change because my brain is

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Speaker 2: ex or because this is true. That's true, it's not.

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Speaker 2: You do have incredible power to change what your brain

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Speaker 2: becomes by changing what you think about. The social scientists

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Speaker 2: define hope as being composed of two things, agency and opportunity,

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Speaker 2: and that means that you have to have the ability

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Speaker 2: to do something about your situation, and you have to

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Speaker 2: have a chance to do something about your situations. And

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Speaker 2: I'm here to tell you if you feel hopeless and

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Speaker 2: stuck in the way that you feel inside your own

551
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Speaker 2: skin or the situation that you found yourself in your life,

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Speaker 2: the hope comes from this. You are neurologically wired to

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Speaker 2: change and not be the same from moment to moment,

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Speaker 2: and the opportunity is all you have to do to

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Speaker 2: make that change happen is think different thoughts than you've

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Speaker 2: been thinking. So hey, I'm not hopeless. There are people

557
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Speaker 2: who have been able to do this. It is possible

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Speaker 2: for me. I can go get the help that I

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Speaker 2: need and I will get this done. And you're wired

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Speaker 2: to do so. Now add the faith element and I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you this. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit

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Speaker 2: of the Great Physician of your creator, the person who

563
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Speaker 2: built your nervous system, wants to step in and communicate

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Speaker 2: with you in a way that will help you make

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Speaker 2: better decisions. The Bible says, you'll hear a voice that says,

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Speaker 2: don't turn this way, turn that way, don't go that way,

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Speaker 2: do this. You'll hear a guiding voice. It's true. I

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Speaker 2: mean all of us hear that from time to time.

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Speaker 2: This little nudge we call it conscience. Sometimes people don't

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Speaker 2: believe in God call it conscience. It's little nudge that says, hey,

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Speaker 2: that's not the best decision. That's not the best thing.

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Speaker 2: So you have an indwelling helper who will nudge you

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Speaker 2: towards making a better decision, who has built the system

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Speaker 2: that is inside your brain to improve things for you

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Speaker 2: if you choose to operate from a mind down perspective,

576
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Speaker 2: who has then predisposed you to physiologically improve and feel

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Speaker 2: better inside your own skin when you operate it that way.

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Speaker 2: So you've got help. You've got a system that you

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Speaker 2: didn't have to build yourself that if you just are

580
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Speaker 2: willing to operate at the way it's designed, it will

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Speaker 2: produce a better outcome for you. That's why there's a

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Speaker 2: Bible verse in Romans eighty six that says God works

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Speaker 2: in you to will and to act in ways that

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Speaker 2: are in accordance with His plan for you. Is good

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Speaker 2: and perfect plan for you. So that means you don't

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Speaker 2: even have to come up with the desire to get better.

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Speaker 2: He gives you the desire to get better. You don't

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Speaker 2: even have to come up with the hardware to make

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Speaker 2: it possible for you to get better. He already did that.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to come up with the adrenal glands

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Speaker 2: that will improve the physiology of your body. He did

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Speaker 2: that for you already. All you have to do is say, yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm willing to learn how to operate my system this way.

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Speaker 2: So whatever state you've been in, however long it's been

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Speaker 2: true for you, however stuck you feel, I promise you

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Speaker 2: neurologically physiologically theologie practically experientially, you can change your live

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Speaker 2: astion as you're willing to think different thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why your book is so powerful, because

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Speaker 3: it's the operating manual, right, it's how to do this.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back right after a quick word from our sponsors. Babe,

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Speaker 3: can I pause us just for a moment if you're

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Speaker 3: listening to this and thinking I don't want to do

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Speaker 3: this alone anymore, I want to tell you about the

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Speaker 3: Love Life Sober Community. This is the space where the

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Speaker 3: podcast turns into real connection and real support. Inside the community,

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Speaker 3: we gather weekly for live connection calls where you can listen, share,

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Speaker 3: or simply be present. There's a beautiful leadership team holding

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Speaker 3: this space with wisdom and care, a dedicated prayer request

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Speaker 3: area where you can be covered, regular masterclasses led by

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Speaker 3: expert guests, and even a worship music playlist to help

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Speaker 3: you reconnect when your nervous system needs it. Inside the community,

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Speaker 3: there's also a dedicated coaching space called Truevine for women

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Speaker 3: who want even deeper support. The Love Life Sober Community

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Speaker 3: is a place to connect with like minded women and

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Speaker 3: open up in a way you might not be able

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Speaker 3: to in your church or small group. This space was

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Speaker 3: created specifically for women who are questioning their relationship with

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Speaker 3: alcohol and who want the kind of freedom that can

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Speaker 3: only be found in Jesus. All the details to join

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Speaker 3: us are at the link in the show notes. I

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Speaker 3: can't wait to meet you. All right, let's jump back

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Speaker 3: into the episode love to just dive into some of

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Speaker 3: the commandments that I feel like are most relevant to

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Speaker 3: the gals listening who are maybe struggling to put down

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Speaker 3: alcohol or are kind of in the early stages. Commandment too,

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Speaker 3: feelings are not facts. I feel like that's so powerful

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Speaker 3: for the woman who really feels like at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day that that voice. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: one of the things that I say all the time

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Speaker 3: is that having this kind of struggle with alcohol gives

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Speaker 3: you the ability to think about your thoughts because those

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Speaker 3: craving thoughts are really loud, and therefore you can distinguish them.

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Speaker 3: And then when you learn to do that and call

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Speaker 3: those out as false and untrue and replace them with truth,

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Speaker 3: then you can start doing it with all the other

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Speaker 3: thoughts in your life. So talk about feelings are not facts,

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Speaker 3: even though sometimes they feel like they are completely true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's great. And let me just say too,

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Speaker 2: as a thank you to you. You were the first person, Christie,

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Speaker 2: outside of our internal team who saw the value and

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Speaker 2: the ten commandments invalidated them for me, and it just

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Speaker 2: gave me so much encouragement as I was creating this

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Speaker 2: work that hey, this is going to help people like it.

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Speaker 2: It was Christy Osborn if you were the first one

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Speaker 2: that said, hey, there's power here and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: use it for my sobriety community, and that was incredibly

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Speaker 2: helpful to us.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for that.

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Speaker 2: That being said, the second commandment is I must believe

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Speaker 2: that feelings are not facts. They are chemical events in

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00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: my brain. And what I just talked about with the

652
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: good research that says that a huge percentage of what

653
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: we think and feel isn't true, this relates back to

654
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: the second commandment. But I'm gonna give you an example

655
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: just to try to prove it to you. So chemically speaking,

656
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: the things that you feel in your body, anxiety, depression, stress,

657
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: whatever it is that you feel, happiness, joy, all of

658
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: those feelings are created a very small number of chemical

659
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: neurotransmitters in your brain. All the things that you feel

660
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: come from a small set of chemicals. Okay, I'm going

661
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: to give you one example to help you understand why

662
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: feelings aren't facts and why should never trust them up

663
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: front and here it is, what's your tax authority in

664
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: the UK? Like, who sends you your tax bill? What

665
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: do they call? Did you say that on the envelope?

666
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 2: In the United States, in case there's any other Americans listening,

667
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: that it's the IRS, the Internal Revenue Service. If you

668
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: get a letter from the IRS, it's usually not good

669
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: news if they sends you something in the mail, right, So,

670
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: let's imagine that you go to your mailbox, you pull

671
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: a letter out and says his Majesty or the IRS

672
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you see that letterhead and instantly you

673
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: feel something in your body. And what you feel is

674
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: your heart rate goes up, and your blood pressure goes up,

675
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: and your hair on the back of your neck stands up,

676
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 2: and your mouth gets dry and you're breathing quickens. That's

677
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: a set of physiological things that you're feeling. Right now,

678
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask you a question. Is that fear

679
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: because you didn't pay your bill or you're worried about

680
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: getting arrested or fined? Or you made a mistake on

681
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: your return or whatever, you're gonna be in some kind

682
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 2: of trouble. Or is it excitement because you might be

683
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: getting your tax refund that you needed to make your

684
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: house payment, because you were behind on your bills or whatever.

685
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: It is it.

686
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: Excitement or is it fear? Well, ask yourself this. When

687
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm excited, what do I feel? I feel my heart

688
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: rate go up. I feel the hair on the back

689
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 2: of my neck stand up. I feel my skin tingles,

690
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: my breathing goes faster. Right, what do you feel when

691
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: you're afraid? My heart rate goes up and my blood

692
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: pressure goes up. My feeling, all that stuff happens. So

693
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: you feel the same things in your body when you're

694
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: afraid or when you're excited. Right now, you're looking at

695
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: that envelope. What makes one fear in one excitement? The

696
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: story that you're telling yourself. Yeah, the decision that you

697
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: make about what those feelings mean. Now, which one is true?

698
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: You don't know yet because you haven't opened the envelope.

699
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: Right now you look at it again and that you

700
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 2: realize it's addressed to your neighbor. It was put in

701
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: the wrong mailbox, so it wasn't even your letter, and

702
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: you're reacting to it as if it was real. But

703
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: it was never even possible for it to have been

704
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: good or bad for you because it wasn't your letter. Right,

705
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: or now, maybe it is addressed to you and you

706
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: open it and you find out what it actually says,

707
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: and it says, hey, the government's behind and it's going

708
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: to be twelve weeks before you hear anything else this

709
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: year about your taxes. So now it's neither of the

710
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: two things that you were worried about. It's nothing. It's

711
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: just a notice that you're not going to find anything

712
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 2: out for a while. So what that tells us that

713
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: story that's very true, and all of us have had

714
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 2: an experience like that. What it tells us is that

715
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: the things that you feel don't mean anything intrinsically until

716
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: you find out what the truth is about what's happening. Right,

717
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: what it means is always determined a BYuT what our

718
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: brain is telling us, the story that we're telling ourselves,

719
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: and that's based on our whole life and other experiences

720
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: in the current emotional state that we're in. Imagine acknowledge

721
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: to yourself that sometimes your husband, I'm assending everybody listening

722
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: to most people listening to women. Sometimes your husband can

723
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: look at you a certain way and you go, oh, man,

724
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: he's the most beautiful man in the whole world, and

725
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: I love him so much, and I just love when

726
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: he looks at me like that. And sometimes he can

727
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: look at you the same way, and you say, what

728
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: in the world are you looking at That's what's going

729
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: on with you? Like?

730
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: Why you?

731
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: How dare you look at me like that? What changes

732
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: his glance from alluring to irritating? It's are you sleepy,

733
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 2: are you hungry?

734
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: Are you mad?

735
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 2: Or what's your emotional state? It's your state that determines

736
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 2: the truth of what you feel, or what determines the

737
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,919
Speaker 2: thing that you think is true about what you feel. Right,

738
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: But when I say feelings aren't facts, they're chemical events,

739
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: that's something you need to own. If you can own that,

740
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: and you can say, I am no longer going to

741
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: live as if everything I feel is true, and I'm

742
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: going to instead develop a curiosity my body is telling me,

743
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: and a willingness to investigate it for a moment before

744
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: I decide how to appropriately respond to it. That will

745
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: change your life in innumerable ways. It will improve your

746
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: flourishing dramatically if you can just do that one thing.

747
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: Get curious about your feelings instead of accepting them as

748
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 2: truth right off the bat.

749
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Speaker 3: Yeah so good, it's so so good, and it's so true.

750
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: Let's hop to Commandment six, loving tomorrow more than how

751
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: you feel right now. The tomorrow text no anesthesia allowed,

752
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: give it to us.

753
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 2: So I'm a surgeon, right, so I require the help

754
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: of an antithesiologist or an anesthetist for my patients to

755
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: go to sleep for surgery and not suffer while I'm

756
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: operating on them and not feel pain and not move

757
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 2: and all that. I need anesesia to do my job

758
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 2: as a surgeon, but as a self brain surgeon, which

759
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: all of us are. If you choose to anesthetize yourself

760
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 2: against the pain of whatever it is that you're feeling,

761
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: and that will relate to the folks to struggle with

762
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: alcohol or any other type of addictive behavior, or Netflix

763
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 2: or scrolling or shopping or anything that we use to

764
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: numb ourselves. The problem is that there's no such thing

765
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: as regional or local anesthesia. When we're talking about numbing

766
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: our brains, you're going to numb your entire brain, and

767
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: you will numb your entire life. And you cannot selectively

768
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: numb yourself against one type of pain without eliminating your

769
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 2: ability to feel other things that you need to feel

770
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: to be a fully realized human being. And so the

771
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 2: first part of that commandment is to say that if

772
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: you choose to numb yourself from what you're feeling, two

773
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 2: adverse things are going to happen. Number One, you're not

774
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: going to deal with the problem that you're trying to

775
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: cover up, and tomorrow you're going to wake up and

776
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: you're going to still have that problem, and you're going

777
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: to feel bad for what you did the night before.

778
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: You're going to be hungover, or have a headache or special.

779
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 2: Right, or have spent some money that you didn't have,

780
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: or send a message that you should have sent, or

781
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: spent the night with somebody you shouldn't have spent the

782
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: night with. Because it's trying to cover up a feeling

783
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: that you have, and you're going to have a problem

784
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,360
Speaker 2: that you didn't have yesterday when you only had one problem,

785
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: and now you have two problems. And your brain, if

786
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: you use alcohol, particularly or drugs, your brain is in

787
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: a chemically worse position to help you make the decisions

788
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: that you will need to make to solve that problem today.

789
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: And so I call that the tomorrow tax. You're doing

790
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: something today so you don't have to feel something today.

791
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: You're taxing yourself tomorrow for what you don't want to

792
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: deal with today. In surgical terms, one of my professors,

793
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: doctor Janetta, used to say, don't treat a bad feeling

794
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: with a bad operation. Don't worry about your patient and

795
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: try to feel sorry for them and then treat them

796
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: with the surgery that's not really going to solve that

797
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: problem just because you feel like you need to do something.

798
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 2: So don't treat a bad feeling with a bad operation

799
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: in your life either. So don't pay tomorrow taxes, and

800
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: don't treat a bad feeling with a bad operation, And

801
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: don't anesetize yourself because you can't selectively numb yourself from

802
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: the one thing that's actually hurting you. So the path

803
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: to flourishing here is to be willing and courageous enough

804
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: to feel what it is that you're feeling and use

805
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: that to motivate you to make decisions that will help

806
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: you navigate it and get better from it, instead of

807
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: just covering it up another day.

808
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's so good.

809
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: There are so many commandments that are so helpful for

810
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: the gals that are listening, and I have questions on them,

811
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 3: but I kind of want to jump to a little

812
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: rapid fire here from the gals in the community who

813
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 3: posted questions for you. One gal asked, can you reverse

814
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: the effects of alcohol in your brain?

815
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely, at least to a large extent.

816
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: If you've been a serial heavy drinker for many, many years,

817
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: it can create brain atrophy and you can lose enough

818
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: volume that it can't be recovered. But most people, even

819
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: with heavy alcohol you use for a long time, the

820
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 2: brain has remarkable restored to power just from eliminating alcohol.

821
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: Your body has a designed healing process, and yes, you

822
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: can recover.

823
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 4: How long does it take for neural pathways to form?

824
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: The first answer is instantly, Like it's been shown with

825
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: the structural elements of how synapses form. The structure that

826
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: lays down the grid is called a microtubule, and microtubules

827
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: begin to be laid down within seconds to minutes of

828
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: a new thought process taking place. So your brain begins

829
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: to lay down the pipes to create the synapse that

830
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: you're going to need to reinforce that within seconds to minutes.

831
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: To make it permanent.

832
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: Takes they think between twenty one and sixty days to

833
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: really wire something in and to begin to degrade the

834
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: old pathway to where it stops being the default and

835
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: the new one starts to be. So there's some instant

836
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: happening and some things that take repetition in time.

837
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so then this is a good follow up question

838
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: to that. What happens to the new neural pathways when

839
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: we break the alcohol free cycle and then we go

840
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 3: back and we have just one drink? Is it like

841
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: taking two steps forward and then one step back when

842
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: we go alcohol free for forty days and then we

843
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 3: have a drink for one day.

844
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: I think that part of that is is not something

845
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: we can blame entirely on neuropathways. Part of it is

846
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: our perceptions and our attitudes too, because if you have

847
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: sufficiently abstained long enough to have degraded the default, then

848
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: you're less likely to have that one day trigger a

849
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: complete relapsed. But the psychological part is that many of

850
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: us see that one time, and this is where you're

851
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: teaching is so valuable. Some of us see that one

852
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: failure as oh no, I've blown, my whole thing, blown,

853
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 2: my whole streak. Come I as well just dive in now.

854
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: And I'm a regenerate drunk and I'm never going to

855
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: be sober as we drink like so, so part of

856
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: it is psychological, and that relates to getting our thoughts

857
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: under control and not believing that all of our thoughts

858
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: are true. And so it probably is true that if

859
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: you have abstained for a very long time and you

860
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: pursued with the right attitude and the right plan, you've

861
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 2: pursued an alcohol free lifestyle and not begrudgingly, so you know,

862
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: then you probably have prepared yourself to be able to

863
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: withstand that temporary setback. But if you psychologically believe that

864
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 2: any kind of setback means that you haven't actually made

865
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 2: any progress, and that old pathway is there and you

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Speaker 2: can reactivate it if you don't pay attention there. So

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Speaker 2: I think both of those things are relevant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think tie in the Ninth Commandment to that, right,

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Speaker 3: like we have to believe that we're getting better at it.

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Speaker 3: And even if you do have a drink, how can

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Speaker 3: you mind that for data? How can you grow from that?

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Speaker 3: How can you learn what were the thoughts telling you

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Speaker 3: before you had that drink.

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Speaker 1: All of that.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have to have you back because I've

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Speaker 3: got more questions from the gals, But you're just going

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Speaker 3: to have to come back to Love Life Sober.

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Speaker 1: That would absolutely love to come back.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you, Thank you so much for writing this book,

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Speaker 3: all the work that you do. It is so so

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Speaker 3: relevant for the women who are trying to break free

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Speaker 3: from alcohol, so so relevant, and we appreciate you. The

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Speaker 3: whole community are just big fans, and so thanks for

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Speaker 3: stopping by.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you, Christu, We.

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Speaker 2: Love you, We're grateful for you, and we hope to

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Speaker 2: get over there and see y'll someday.

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Speaker 3: Oh definitely, that'd be so cool. Thanks doctor Lee, thank

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Speaker 3: you Goblet. Thank you for spending this time with me

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Speaker 3: on Love Life Sober. If today's conversation stirred something in

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Speaker 3: your heart, don't rush past it, take it to prayer.

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Speaker 3: If you're feeling ready for deeper connection and support, I'd

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Speaker 3: love to invite you into the Love Life Sober community,

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Speaker 3: a grace filled, shame free space where real connection grows

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Speaker 3: and lasting change takes root. You can find the link

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Speaker 3: to join us in the show notes love. Life Sober

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Speaker 3: is part of the Life Audio podcast network, where faith

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Speaker 3: centered podcasts help you grow deeper in your walk with Christ.

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Speaker 3: You can find more faith centered podcasts at lifeaudio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Until next time, be gentle with yourself, stay curious, and

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Speaker 3: trust God's promises.

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Speaker 4: He has freedom waiting for you.