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Speaker 1: Hi friend, I'm so glad you're here today. Let's learn

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Speaker 1: how to raise our kids to love God, respect authority,

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Speaker 1: and do what's right. Let's scrule less and live more.

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Speaker 1: I'm Arlene Pelicane and this is the Happy Home.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: This is such a treat because not only am I

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Speaker 1: with an amazing author, Pam.

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Speaker 2: How many books have you written?

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Speaker 3: Sixty one working on sixty two, so.

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Speaker 2: You know, no slacker. There's a lot of books.

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Speaker 1: Pam Farrell and her husband Bill, they've written books alone,

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Speaker 1: they've written books together. You probably know them from. Men

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Speaker 1: are like waffles, women are like spaghetti. Pam is a

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Speaker 1: longtime friend, my mentor. I look up to her in

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Speaker 1: every way.

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Speaker 2: Pam, it's so great to have you on the podcast.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's so nice to be here. Arleene.

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Speaker 4: It's like you know you always. I always mentor people

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Speaker 4: and paly hundreds of women over the course of my

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Speaker 4: ministry because I've been married forty seven years and in

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Speaker 4: ministry forty seven years. But every once in a while

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Speaker 4: somebody comes along that's super special.

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Speaker 3: And I knew at the moment that I saw.

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Speaker 4: You huge pregnant going to a mommy conference, I mean

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Speaker 3: I mean it was, and.

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Speaker 4: You're writing a book and you had, you know, worked

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Speaker 4: in media already for some big name people. I'm like, Lord,

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Speaker 4: this girl, you are setting her up for a big future.

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Speaker 3: She could take my place.

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Speaker 2: It is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Right, this is like nineteen years ago. So that's that's

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Speaker 1: an amazing thing. Oh this is perfect that we're talking

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Speaker 1: about this because as we are recording my youngest Lucy,

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Speaker 1: it's her first day school, first way of her senior

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Speaker 1: year of high school. And so what I want to

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Speaker 1: do in this conversation is really talk to parents as

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Speaker 1: we guroup for the fall, we gear up for a

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Speaker 1: new year, and the same way that January can lend

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Speaker 1: to it's like, you know what, I'm going to do

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Speaker 1: things a little differently this year. September and the start

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Speaker 1: let's start again.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about.

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Speaker 1: Things from your book, the ten best decisions every parent

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Speaker 1: can make, And let's first start with this contrast a

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Speaker 4: Because so a passive parent just like whatever, they just

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Speaker 4: roll with life. Yeah, they don't ever interject God's will

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Speaker 4: and so they're not bad people. They are just people

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Speaker 4: that have never thought, oh it could be better, Oh

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Speaker 4: it could be like a God ordained path for my kids.

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Speaker 4: So a proactive parent, they are praying as this time

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Speaker 4: of year comes around, like, Okay, hey, what's.

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Speaker 3: Going on in each one of my kids' lives? What

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Speaker 4: What areas are like negatives that could like erode wonderful

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let you talk about this.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the things you talk about in

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Speaker 1: You know you're a nana and you are in this stage.

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Speaker 1: What might a proactive parent look like? If you have

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Speaker 4: Honestly, we do a learner and a Leader day with

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Speaker 4: And so over lunchtime we would discuss the learner leader

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Speaker 1: It's like you're it's like you're big enough to be

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Speaker 4: But they never complained about, you know, being able to

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Speaker 4: first day of school the learner leader contract. And as

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Speaker 4: youth pastors at the time, like, let's be like smart

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Speaker 4: then when they start driving, we added the driving contract

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Speaker 4: and then praise good for you, Arleen. By the time

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Speaker 4: our youngest was in school, we needed a media contract.

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Speaker 4: And your books are so perfect to help a parent

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Speaker 4: a great place to start. And then I jumped into

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Speaker 4: Bible Study Fellowship, which is a wonderful Bible study organization.

442
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Speaker 4: And I did that for five years until we moved

443
00:23:35,755 --> 00:23:38,916
Speaker 4: and Bill took over a senior pastorate, and I finished

444
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Speaker 4: Bible Study Fellowship the first two years there. And I

445
00:23:41,515 --> 00:23:44,716
Speaker 4: also be in teaching the Bible on a more regular

446
00:23:44,796 --> 00:23:48,436
Speaker 4: weekly basis before that youth ministry, I would like I

447
00:23:48,515 --> 00:23:51,075
Speaker 4: co taught with Bill and I taught the girls and

448
00:23:51,755 --> 00:23:54,316
Speaker 4: we do relationships seminar a couple times a year, things

449
00:23:54,356 --> 00:23:59,156
Speaker 4: like that, and so that is what I was introduced

450
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Speaker 4: to Bible.

451
00:24:01,356 --> 00:24:03,475
Speaker 3: Moms and in prayer, Moms in prayer.

452
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Speaker 4: Like, Wow, what an awesome concept to get together with

453
00:24:06,356 --> 00:24:08,596
Speaker 4: other moms to hear about their kids and pray the

454
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Speaker 4: scripture over your child's life. And so that really was

455
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Speaker 4: a huge draw to me. Is later on, it was

456
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Speaker 4: probably about ten seven, maybe seven years into our pastorate,

457
00:24:24,636 --> 00:24:28,755
Speaker 4: is when a friend at baseball, we were our conversation

458
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Speaker 4: about Jesus and about our kids, and she's like, would

459
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Speaker 4: you go to moms in Prayer? And she explained what

460
00:24:34,636 --> 00:24:37,075
Speaker 4: it was and where the San Marco's group met, and

461
00:24:37,116 --> 00:24:39,916
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm there, I'm there, and I've been there

462
00:24:39,955 --> 00:24:40,595
Speaker 4: ever since.

463
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Speaker 3: Because even now.

464
00:24:42,196 --> 00:24:45,916
Speaker 4: Grandkids, adult kids, there's always reasons for women to pray.

465
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Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to give a shout out to

466
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Speaker 1: moms in Prayer, Moms in prayer dot org. The idea

467
00:24:50,995 --> 00:24:54,355
Speaker 1: is really simple to praying moms. Them will pray for

468
00:24:54,396 --> 00:24:56,796
Speaker 1: their children and their school and that's it. And when

469
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Speaker 1: the school is in session, you pray once a week

470
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Speaker 1: and you pray together, and it's made all the difference.

471
00:25:02,436 --> 00:25:06,715
Speaker 1: Prayer really changes things and sets things up for your

472
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Speaker 1: children to protect them. I started in moms in prayer

473
00:25:10,035 --> 00:25:13,355
Speaker 1: when Ethan, my oldest, was in first grade. And you

474
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Speaker 1: know now he's a college graduate and the Lord has

475
00:25:15,596 --> 00:25:18,515
Speaker 1: seed him through I want to ask you, Pam. People

476
00:25:18,556 --> 00:25:21,715
Speaker 1: will listen and they have heard this heart this whole time,

477
00:25:21,796 --> 00:25:24,316
Speaker 1: this hunger for God. You don't have to come from

478
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Speaker 1: a perfect family to start this. You came into your marriage,

479
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Speaker 1: into motherhood with a hunger to know God, with a

480
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Speaker 1: proactive bent and this, and so someone will listen and say,

481
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Speaker 1: that's nice. You can do all those things, but your

482
00:25:37,156 --> 00:25:40,755
Speaker 1: kids can still go astray. And they can, and that

483
00:25:40,876 --> 00:25:43,196
Speaker 1: is true. And you can do everything perfectly right as

484
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Speaker 1: a parent, and your kids can. They have free will,

485
00:25:45,916 --> 00:25:48,836
Speaker 1: they can go astray, But talk to us about how

486
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Speaker 1: the lack of a plan is for sure how they

487
00:25:52,076 --> 00:25:55,275
Speaker 1: go astray, you know, but what fruit have you seen

488
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Speaker 1: from what you've put in in your boys?

489
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Speaker 4: So I want to do everything from my side to

490
00:26:02,156 --> 00:26:06,636
Speaker 4: have a clean slate before God, like Lord. If you

491
00:26:06,636 --> 00:26:08,035
Speaker 4: tell me to do something, I want to do it.

492
00:26:08,035 --> 00:26:09,715
Speaker 4: If you say to me say something, I want to

493
00:26:09,755 --> 00:26:11,235
Speaker 4: say it. If you tell me to pray something, I

494
00:26:11,275 --> 00:26:13,755
Speaker 4: want to pray it. I didn't want me to be

495
00:26:13,796 --> 00:26:16,916
Speaker 4: the obstacle. And I knew very well that because of

496
00:26:16,955 --> 00:26:21,475
Speaker 4: my brokenness that could happen, that could actually become a

497
00:26:21,515 --> 00:26:23,836
Speaker 4: controlling control freak mom.

498
00:26:23,916 --> 00:26:25,636
Speaker 3: Because I was came from a house, I was out

499
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Speaker 3: of control.

500
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Speaker 4: So like God was always working on me as well

501
00:26:29,596 --> 00:26:32,836
Speaker 4: as the kids. But then just give you a couple

502
00:26:32,836 --> 00:26:37,836
Speaker 4: of examples. So Brock, he was made the starting quarterback

503
00:26:38,235 --> 00:26:41,076
Speaker 4: his junior year, so he wanted to, like his friends,

504
00:26:42,436 --> 00:26:47,795
Speaker 4: to have a positive mindset to victory and wanted to

505
00:26:47,836 --> 00:26:48,516
Speaker 4: share Jesus.

506
00:26:48,515 --> 00:26:49,676
Speaker 3: So he called his friends.

507
00:26:49,715 --> 00:26:52,596
Speaker 4: He's like, Okay, after we win this game against Faulbrook,

508
00:26:52,676 --> 00:26:54,235
Speaker 4: let's go to the fifty yard line and get down

509
00:26:54,275 --> 00:26:57,995
Speaker 4: on one knee and pray. And this is before before

510
00:26:58,035 --> 00:27:01,156
Speaker 4: all the pro players were kneeling on one knee, so

511
00:27:01,316 --> 00:27:05,115
Speaker 4: it was kind of radical, and so he's like Elvis.

512
00:27:05,116 --> 00:27:07,236
Speaker 4: Friends are like, yeah, we're there for your men. Well,

513
00:27:07,275 --> 00:27:11,156
Speaker 4: the game came and they lost like forty eight to nothing.

514
00:27:11,316 --> 00:27:12,436
Speaker 3: It was like a slaughter.

515
00:27:14,475 --> 00:27:18,436
Speaker 4: But Brock went straight to the fifty yard line by

516
00:27:18,515 --> 00:27:21,196
Speaker 4: himself because all of his friends were like depressed and

517
00:27:21,235 --> 00:27:23,556
Speaker 4: wandered to the best. He went to the fifty yard

518
00:27:23,636 --> 00:27:25,436
Speaker 4: line by himself and got down and one knee and

519
00:27:25,436 --> 00:27:28,235
Speaker 4: prayed and thank God for the game. And just then

520
00:27:28,356 --> 00:27:30,715
Speaker 4: I'm like Bill was filming the game and you can

521
00:27:30,755 --> 00:27:32,676
Speaker 4: hear me on the camera say Bill.

522
00:27:32,596 --> 00:27:34,636
Speaker 3: Brooks all alone and I went down there and pray

523
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Speaker 3: with him.

524
00:27:35,076 --> 00:27:37,676
Speaker 4: And Bill's like, oh, yeah, that's what the starting quarterback

525
00:27:37,715 --> 00:27:42,156
Speaker 4: wants his mommy running on the field. So I'm like, okay,

526
00:27:42,196 --> 00:27:44,676
Speaker 4: I won't run down on the field. And just then

527
00:27:44,755 --> 00:27:47,916
Speaker 4: three players from the opposing team came and knelt next

528
00:27:47,955 --> 00:27:51,796
Speaker 4: to Brock and prayed, and I'm like that is powerful,

529
00:27:52,156 --> 00:27:54,436
Speaker 4: and wrapped my arms around Brock. I said, Brock, you

530
00:27:54,515 --> 00:27:58,035
Speaker 4: know that mom and dad we have you know that

531
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Speaker 4: family theme those who honor God, God honors is at

532
00:28:03,156 --> 00:28:07,115
Speaker 4: a first Samuel, and so somehow, some way, God's going

533
00:28:07,196 --> 00:28:09,475
Speaker 4: to honor you for this day. Well, fast forward. He

534
00:28:09,556 --> 00:28:12,595
Speaker 4: ends up getting scholarships. He ends up being named ninety

535
00:28:12,596 --> 00:28:17,515
Speaker 4: the year. So he goes to a junior college as

536
00:28:17,556 --> 00:28:21,316
Speaker 4: his best option for eighteen months, and then he gets

537
00:28:22,396 --> 00:28:25,235
Speaker 4: a full right scholarship to Liberty University. And I'm at

538
00:28:25,275 --> 00:28:28,515
Speaker 4: Liberty University. I tell that fifty yard line story at

539
00:28:28,556 --> 00:28:31,156
Speaker 4: a book signing. Well, Brock's at Liberty. He's been here

540
00:28:31,196 --> 00:28:34,316
Speaker 4: a couple of days. I'm telling this story and it's

541
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Speaker 4: an Arizona the books. Our owner's wife is.

542
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Speaker 3: Like, where did you say Brock was a quarterback. I'm like,

543
00:28:39,956 --> 00:28:43,036
Speaker 3: at Liberty. She's like, oh my Hannah, she's at Liberty.

544
00:28:43,356 --> 00:28:45,355
Speaker 3: So we exchanged pictures and the phone numbers of the

545
00:28:45,436 --> 00:28:50,835
Speaker 3: kids and anyway, Yeah, we believe in arranged marriages. Just kidding.

546
00:28:52,636 --> 00:28:54,756
Speaker 3: They're both super strong willed, first born.

547
00:28:54,596 --> 00:28:57,396
Speaker 4: So we thought they'll never date because we thought it

548
00:28:57,436 --> 00:28:58,156
Speaker 4: was a good idea.

549
00:28:58,236 --> 00:29:02,396
Speaker 3: But they ended up dating, and they took the high road.

550
00:29:02,476 --> 00:29:05,716
Speaker 4: They dated, you know, God's way and God's will and

551
00:29:06,796 --> 00:29:07,956
Speaker 4: it is precious.

552
00:29:08,076 --> 00:29:11,356
Speaker 3: Now. I've just spent last weekend with them there. I've

553
00:29:11,356 --> 00:29:12,436
Speaker 3: been happily.

554
00:29:12,036 --> 00:29:19,196
Speaker 4: Married now twenty years, maybe twenty one years, and they

555
00:29:18,756 --> 00:29:21,835
Speaker 4: have their high school seniors going to go way to

556
00:29:22,556 --> 00:29:24,996
Speaker 4: Kawitey for next year.

557
00:29:25,436 --> 00:29:27,756
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm not I'm not hearing correctly.

558
00:29:27,796 --> 00:29:31,036
Speaker 1: It's like, how have you been married for twenty one years?

559
00:29:31,036 --> 00:29:31,956
Speaker 3: Maybe even longer?

560
00:29:32,116 --> 00:29:37,516
Speaker 1: Like I feel like they just it's amazing, Like God works,

561
00:29:37,796 --> 00:29:38,956
Speaker 1: he works crazy.

562
00:29:39,156 --> 00:29:42,796
Speaker 4: They love God, They serve their church. All three of

563
00:29:42,836 --> 00:29:45,916
Speaker 4: their kids love God. It's like passing the ton.

564
00:29:45,756 --> 00:29:49,876
Speaker 3: Of feef or and people like, oh, yeah, he's so nice.

565
00:29:49,916 --> 00:29:52,996
Speaker 4: That brock was so easy to raise Heray, well, it's

566
00:29:52,996 --> 00:29:56,276
Speaker 4: not always that easy, it's right. Zach our middle son

567
00:29:56,316 --> 00:29:58,036
Speaker 4: when he was about eight years old, and this is

568
00:29:58,076 --> 00:30:02,516
Speaker 4: like a typical age for something to spark up. And

569
00:30:02,636 --> 00:30:05,596
Speaker 4: so he was about eight years old, but everything was negative,

570
00:30:06,036 --> 00:30:09,556
Speaker 4: negative around our house. Everything is stupid, everything was bad.

571
00:30:09,676 --> 00:30:11,956
Speaker 4: It was like, didn't want to do his homework. It

572
00:30:12,036 --> 00:30:12,796
Speaker 4: was just negative.

573
00:30:13,196 --> 00:30:14,996
Speaker 3: And so I started praying, God, what do you want

574
00:30:14,996 --> 00:30:16,236
Speaker 3: me to do for this child?

575
00:30:16,396 --> 00:30:20,636
Speaker 4: He's so talented, but he's so nice, and he was

576
00:30:20,796 --> 00:30:23,075
Speaker 4: add adhd, you know.

577
00:30:23,156 --> 00:30:26,156
Speaker 3: So he has some social needs but smart.

578
00:30:26,676 --> 00:30:28,876
Speaker 4: And so I'm like, okay, I don't I don't know

579
00:30:28,876 --> 00:30:30,436
Speaker 4: what to do, and I don't know when to do it.

580
00:30:30,996 --> 00:30:34,115
Speaker 4: And one day he was beating up his brothers in

581
00:30:34,156 --> 00:30:37,156
Speaker 4: the living room up again, and I sent Zack upstairs.

582
00:30:37,196 --> 00:30:39,036
Speaker 4: I'm like, Mama, come talk to you. He knocked all

583
00:30:39,036 --> 00:30:41,396
Speaker 4: the pictures off the wall. On the way upstairs, he

584
00:30:41,476 --> 00:30:44,796
Speaker 4: slammed the door, picked up a baseball hole through the

585
00:30:44,996 --> 00:30:48,196
Speaker 4: door as I walk in, and I'm like, Zach, you've

586
00:30:48,196 --> 00:30:50,556
Speaker 4: got to learn to use words. Because I'm thinking in

587
00:30:50,636 --> 00:30:52,956
Speaker 4: my mind, no woman's ever going to marry. You don't

588
00:30:52,956 --> 00:30:54,635
Speaker 4: have to learn to use words. You're gonna live with me,

589
00:30:54,676 --> 00:30:59,196
Speaker 4: tell you forever, forever. So he's like, you want words,

590
00:30:59,196 --> 00:31:01,636
Speaker 4: you want words. I hate myself and I hate my life,

591
00:31:01,676 --> 00:31:02,596
Speaker 4: and if God made.

592
00:31:02,396 --> 00:31:05,796
Speaker 3: Me, I hate him too. And I'm like just a minute,

593
00:31:06,116 --> 00:31:09,436
Speaker 3: and I just slapped the door. I just ran downstairs

594
00:31:09,796 --> 00:31:11,996
Speaker 3: and I threw myself across the bed. I ran frantic

595
00:31:12,156 --> 00:31:13,796
Speaker 3: with prayer. Dear lor jeess. I'm pastors, so I have

596
00:31:13,876 --> 00:31:15,156
Speaker 3: in director room with ministry.

597
00:31:15,396 --> 00:31:17,956
Speaker 4: I write all these Christian books, but I'm raising his

598
00:31:18,116 --> 00:31:18,835
Speaker 4: eighty steps.

599
00:31:19,276 --> 00:31:20,596
Speaker 3: I could use some help here.

600
00:31:21,596 --> 00:31:24,476
Speaker 4: And when I'm like, Lord, I know there's a treasure

601
00:31:24,516 --> 00:31:28,236
Speaker 4: inside that child, but I can't see how to pull

602
00:31:28,236 --> 00:31:29,716
Speaker 4: that treasure out of Zachary.

603
00:31:30,156 --> 00:31:32,916
Speaker 3: When I said the word treasure, I'm like, oh, my work.

604
00:31:33,116 --> 00:31:35,115
Speaker 4: And I drew up this big treasure map on a

605
00:31:35,156 --> 00:31:38,436
Speaker 4: post reward and take some quarters to it.

606
00:31:38,436 --> 00:31:39,875
Speaker 3: It was ugly, but it worked.

607
00:31:40,156 --> 00:31:41,956
Speaker 4: And I called on the phone and I'm like, I'm

608
00:31:41,956 --> 00:31:44,075
Speaker 4: gonna go show this treasure map to zach what do

609
00:31:44,076 --> 00:31:46,796
Speaker 4: you think? And he's like, run with it. He's like wired,

610
00:31:46,876 --> 00:31:49,156
Speaker 4: like you are a creative and so I walk upstairs.

611
00:31:49,356 --> 00:31:51,636
Speaker 4: I'm like, Zach, you are a treasure to the world.

612
00:31:51,716 --> 00:31:56,115
Speaker 4: I said, by faith, So I hold out Zach, You're

613
00:31:56,156 --> 00:31:57,956
Speaker 4: a treasure to the world. Every day, man, I ask

614
00:31:57,996 --> 00:32:00,716
Speaker 4: you two things. What's one thing you did well? What's

615
00:32:00,716 --> 00:32:01,196
Speaker 4: one thing.

616
00:32:01,116 --> 00:32:03,836
Speaker 3: Positive about your day where you run it down. What's

617
00:32:03,836 --> 00:32:05,516
Speaker 3: a week I'm gonna take you to donuts. We're gonna

618
00:32:05,516 --> 00:32:06,836
Speaker 3: talk about what God's teaching you.

619
00:32:07,236 --> 00:32:08,996
Speaker 4: At the end of eight weeks, Mom and Dad were

620
00:32:08,996 --> 00:32:13,756
Speaker 4: gonna buy you some treasure that will help you live

621
00:32:13,956 --> 00:32:18,116
Speaker 4: out the treasure of your life. It'll be a blessing

622
00:32:18,196 --> 00:32:19,956
Speaker 4: to you and a blous to others.

623
00:32:20,316 --> 00:32:24,556
Speaker 3: What do you think. He's totally ere It's a pleased

624
00:32:24,796 --> 00:32:25,315
Speaker 3: we'll have.

625
00:32:27,236 --> 00:32:30,276
Speaker 4: And the I'm like, Zach, what's one thing today if

626
00:32:30,356 --> 00:32:32,716
Speaker 4: you did well and was thinking one thing politive about

627
00:32:32,716 --> 00:32:34,596
Speaker 4: your day. He couldn't think of anything. I said, I

628
00:32:34,676 --> 00:32:37,596
Speaker 4: can think of something. I have not killed you yet

629
00:32:37,636 --> 00:32:42,556
Speaker 4: I did, I can't treasure. Instead of I'm like, you're

630
00:32:42,596 --> 00:32:44,156
Speaker 4: a charger that we're gonna write it down.

631
00:32:44,556 --> 00:32:46,196
Speaker 3: Zak is a treasure. He's alive.

632
00:32:46,796 --> 00:32:49,676
Speaker 4: And so we started with like basic basic, but then

633
00:32:50,076 --> 00:32:52,796
Speaker 4: he started bringing that treasure meant to us, right, all

634
00:32:52,836 --> 00:32:55,556
Speaker 4: these pleasant things about himself in his day. We found

635
00:32:55,596 --> 00:32:57,356
Speaker 4: out some things about Zach. We found out he was

636
00:32:57,396 --> 00:33:00,556
Speaker 4: great at sports. We knew that he's fabulous at sports.

637
00:33:00,796 --> 00:33:02,796
Speaker 4: We found out that he loved music that was kind

638
00:33:02,836 --> 00:33:04,876
Speaker 4: of a calming bomb, this little add soul.

639
00:33:04,996 --> 00:33:07,556
Speaker 3: We didn't know that. And we found out that he

640
00:33:07,836 --> 00:33:12,996
Speaker 3: loved people. That people was like the key that unlocked

641
00:33:13,076 --> 00:33:15,196
Speaker 3: Zach's heart. So from that point on, we put two

642
00:33:15,316 --> 00:33:19,516
Speaker 3: tickets to whatever the youth group was doing into like

643
00:33:19,676 --> 00:33:22,956
Speaker 3: our family budget, and we invited his friends to do

644
00:33:23,076 --> 00:33:25,596
Speaker 3: any activity that Zach wanted to do, and he ended

645
00:33:25,676 --> 00:33:27,436
Speaker 3: up taking some friends to Christian concert.

646
00:33:27,556 --> 00:33:29,835
Speaker 4: We bought some baseball equipment. He made the All Stars.

647
00:33:30,236 --> 00:33:32,636
Speaker 4: Then the All Stars that coach put his arm around

648
00:33:32,716 --> 00:33:33,276
Speaker 4: Zack said.

649
00:33:33,436 --> 00:33:35,835
Speaker 3: Zach, here, he's got the best attitude of any kid

650
00:33:35,956 --> 00:33:36,756
Speaker 3: we've ever coached.

651
00:33:37,116 --> 00:33:39,315
Speaker 4: And I just wanted to laugh, Bill laugh, like, oh,

652
00:33:39,436 --> 00:33:41,756
Speaker 4: you have no idea how care God has brought that child?

653
00:33:41,876 --> 00:33:45,556
Speaker 2: Yeah? How many years between I hate you, I hate

654
00:33:45,596 --> 00:33:47,916
Speaker 2: God and all? This is the most best attitude kid

655
00:33:47,996 --> 00:33:48,836
Speaker 2: I've ever seen.

656
00:33:48,796 --> 00:33:50,836
Speaker 3: Not even a year, not even a year.

657
00:33:51,116 --> 00:33:55,556
Speaker 4: That was It was about a half a semestery. So

658
00:33:56,396 --> 00:33:58,676
Speaker 4: and then then he had like a little blip right

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Speaker 3: He was so good at sports.

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Speaker 4: So Bill said, okay, I have a deal. So I

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Speaker 4: am a pastor and I can arrange my own schedule.

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Speaker 4: So if you keep having this negative attitude.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go to school with you. Oh public

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Speaker 3: high school.

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Speaker 4: Bill always fallen through with his word, so Zach's like,

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Speaker 4: oh my goodness, he might actually mean this.

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Speaker 2: He will show up.

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Speaker 3: So he's like, okay, okay, I'll change. I will go

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Speaker 3: up for sports because I am good at football.

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Speaker 4: Yes you are, and so as a fresh when he

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Speaker 4: was playing on the varsity teams. So that was like

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Speaker 4: the last showdown of the bad attitude. But of all

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Speaker 4: the kids, Zach has the best.

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Speaker 3: Attitude, the most positive attitude.

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Speaker 4: He's a dad of three kids, one of them is

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Speaker 4: add Adhd and it had like he's a handful, but

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Speaker 4: he knows how to handle him and de escalate him

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Speaker 4: because he was there and he serves God and him

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Speaker 4: and his wife Kaylee, I think are good.

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Speaker 3: They're starting to speak with us and so we might

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Speaker 3: be actually handy the time they found his words. He

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Speaker 3: found his words. Yes, and he has really good words

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Speaker 3: now yeah, motivating words.

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Speaker 2: Oh my God.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all of you who are listening, you can and

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Speaker 1: tell if you need parenting help, you must go to

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Speaker 1: Pam and Bill Ferrell. So listen to any message you

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Speaker 1: can find from them. Go get their books, Pam. As

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Speaker 1: we close out, how can people find out more about you?

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Speaker 1: This has been amazing, so for us to remember to

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Speaker 1: be proactive, to have faith, to put dreams forward, to

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Speaker 1: call out things in our kids that are not yet

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Speaker 1: but that will be by God's er.

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Speaker 2: You have encouraged us to do.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 2: How can people find more out about you?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean echo my son Zach.

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Speaker 4: Mom and Dad keep praying for that kid because you

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Speaker 4: might be the only one praying for them. Yeah, and

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Speaker 4: that what we saw is that as we began to pray,

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Speaker 4: God began to answer those prayers. Sometimes sometimes they are

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Speaker 4: adults and they're still working on their territory. But Mom

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Speaker 4: and dad, do not dismay, Do not start blaming yourself.

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Speaker 4: Jump on God's band wagon and partner with him.

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Speaker 3: You go to love wise. We like to our name

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Speaker 4: We like to say we park ourselves on the corner

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Speaker 3: Chart. It looks a whole lot better now that Zachary

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Speaker 4: The learn leader material, all of the teenage stuff, the

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Speaker 4: other things to help your family be proactive and partner

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Speaker 4: with God.

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Speaker 2: So amazing we will have that link to love Wise Pam.

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Speaker 2: Thank you a million times. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Now we can send out our kids with confidence. I

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