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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale. Welcome back to Mackay. I'm Hugh Hewett

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Speaker 1: on Monday before Christmas, joined by the United States Senator

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Speaker 1: Tom con the Markansas Senator. Merry Christmas. I'm sure you're

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Speaker 1: not busy at all.

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Speaker 2: Well, good fingon, Hugh to you, and Merry Christmas to

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Speaker 2: you and your family and all your listeners. There may

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Speaker 2: be one or two more gifts out there that's waiting

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Speaker 2: to be found by I made between mail and Wednesday night.

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Speaker 2: Let's hope hopeful I succeed.

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Speaker 1: Amazon could probably get you the Guardians hat and a

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Speaker 1: couple of jerseys in a hurry, and maybe some Browns gear.

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Speaker 1: I think they're on.

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Speaker 2: Sale after yesterday. They might be. They came close to

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Speaker 2: being a pretty good Bills team, but they found they

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Speaker 2: still found in Brown's Ways to.

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Speaker 1: Lose this they did Barry Browns Ways Senator I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask. I had a big argument with Michael Loller

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Speaker 1: on Friday about his discharge petition. You were in the

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Speaker 1: House and you know that was a showboat stunt, and

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Speaker 1: there's no way we're going to vote for the three

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Speaker 1: years straight extension of Obamacare subsidutes bad law. But his

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Speaker 1: argument sort of was, what we got to do something,

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Speaker 1: and that's not very good argument. But is there something

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Speaker 1: that we can do next year on reconciliation with fifty

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Speaker 1: one votes, like maybe make the Obamacare state exchange is

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Speaker 1: all one exchange so there's a bigger risk pool on

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Speaker 1: which the insurance companies can bid you.

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Speaker 2: I would take a step back even further. A lot

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Speaker 2: of the debate and Congress has been focused on the

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Speaker 2: Obamacare COVID bonuses that Joe Biden him out in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one. On what you're now expiring, you just asked

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Speaker 2: about Obamacare at large. I would take a step back

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Speaker 2: further and say we need to address health insurance and

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Speaker 2: healthcare for every America, not just a small sliver who

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Speaker 2: are on Obamacare. In Arkansas, for instance, it's about five

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Speaker 2: almost threefold increase from where we were before Joe Biden

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Speaker 2: took office. Just to give you a loss of the money,

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Speaker 2: the poverty level and therefore losing all subsidies. Everyone the

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Speaker 2: course below four hundred percent of poverty, which in Arkansas

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Speaker 2: It's still getting the traditional Obamacare subsidy. The reason they're

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Speaker 2: Obamacare is a failing health insurance program. It was flawed

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Speaker 1: Leader Thinn told me last week, theoretically, you can do

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Speaker 1: two more reconciliations with fifty votes plus the vice president

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Speaker 2: Yeah, John Than is right about that. There's a couple

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Speaker 2: more bites to the apple. So it's not a procedure question.

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Speaker 2: It's the legislative political question to you, of whether or

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Speaker 2: there's a chance we can do that. To you, you know,

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Speaker 2: last summer we were mostly focused on trying to reform

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that would be great, And if there

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Speaker 1: But people have got to want to sit down and

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Speaker 1: March basically. Then we're in the election cycle. Are you're

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Speaker 1: the conference chair, Are you optimistic about anything passing next year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, youw There's a lot of work left to

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Speaker 2: implement President Trump's agenda. I can't tell you exactly what

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Speaker 2: That's again going to take a great We meant among

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of work lefts to do. And

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Speaker 2: you're right that you know people are going to start

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Speaker 2: But it's not true, although often stated in Washington that

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Speaker 1: Well, that does bring me to my third question, which

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, a lot of the work we did

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Speaker 2: and save hundreds of billions of dollars taxpayer and fraud.

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Speaker 2: There are other programs that need stricter controls. I frankly,

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Speaker 2: Hugh would be fine tightening what we put in place

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Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Merry Christmas to your senator

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Speaker 1: taking in the new year. I'm off next week, but

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Speaker 1: I appreciate all the time you've shut up this year

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Speaker 1: and look forward to talking to you in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Tom Cotton of Arkansas, thank you, Senator. Let me remind everyone.

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Speaker 1: huge more than Glory and even grays in America. I'm Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 1: On the Monday before Christmas. An old friend is back.

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Speaker 1: We used to call him Congressman. Now we call him

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Speaker 1: mister Ambassador, our ambassador of the United Nations, Michael Wallas,

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Speaker 1: mister Ambassador, Welcome back to the Huit Show. It's been

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Speaker 4: Great to be with you again, Hugh. Thanks so much,

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Speaker 4: Merry Christmas, Happy holidays.

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Speaker 1: And to you. Can you begin by telling us this

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, well, I think it's one are more of

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Speaker 5: the similarities. If you think there's a swamp in DC,

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Speaker 5: the President is is, let's not throw the baby out

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Speaker 4: But two things kind of along the lines of America.

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Speaker 5: First principles, and this is what the President said when

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Speaker 5: he got year, which is number one, you need one

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Speaker 5: That's the UN General Assembly here in September.

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Speaker 4: Get over one.

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Speaker 5: Our adversaries or allies, the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians,

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Speaker 5: could come here and hash things out, putting diplomacy first.

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Speaker 5: And then number two, you burden sharing is a key

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Speaker 1: Now, mister ambassador, I don't expect you to comment on

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of General. He's been a huge disappointment in

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Speaker 1: my eyes, but I don't expect you to say that.

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Speaker 5: This was his twenty point piece plan that everybody signed

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Speaker 5: Look, nobody was perfectly happy with it, but that was

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Speaker 1: Last question, am Bechler Waltz. I believe it's Article fifty

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Speaker 5: Well, look, the President's been clear Secretary of State Rubio,

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Speaker 5: Sanctions have gone back in that was driven by the

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Speaker 1: Congratulations on as good a year at the UN as

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Speaker 1: you for joining me. Don't go anywhere, America. I'm e Hewitt.

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Speaker 7: And while we were there, a siren went off and

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Speaker 1: Have you kicked it around with you Israeli friends about

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Speaker 1: This week Heviv writ at Gore did a ask av

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Speaker 1: federalist society types in Israel. That's I'll just frame it

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Speaker 1: hard leftist and that in the past when they did

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Speaker 1: commissions of inquiry, the chief Justice of the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: going to happen because everybody from bb Net out to

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Speaker 1: this guy is a leftist activist and they're not going

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Speaker 1: to let him set up the commission. Is that in

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Speaker 1: the water? Is that being discussed in how to go

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Speaker 1: about getting a commission or even if they need one.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of there's a lot of mess here

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Speaker 7: in the political system, and I think a lot of

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Speaker 7: and so I think that there's just mistrust all around.

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Speaker 7: Everyone seems to have their own agenda. It's not a

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Speaker 7: functioning government here, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: I expand on that place.

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Speaker 7: So I was caught in traffic all night long because

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Speaker 7: folks who were flooding the highways, stopping the traffic because

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Speaker 7: they didn't want to join the army. And that is

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Speaker 7: a political situation that has been bubbling for the course

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Speaker 7: decided that they want to spend their time studying Torah

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Speaker 7: and if you're in the reserves, which you know most

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Speaker 7: people are in their thirties and their forties, they've spent

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Speaker 7: hundreds and hundreds of days over the course of the

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Speaker 7: last two years fighting in Gaza or in Lebanon or

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Speaker 7: wherever it is. And so there is a a lot

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Speaker 7: and so the faith that people have, especially after.

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Speaker 8: October seventh, the fact that that was a.

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Speaker 7: Catastrophic failure on the part of leadership, and there doesn't

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Speaker 7: seem to be that much interest in getting to the

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Speaker 7: bottom of what happened. All of that breeds a lot

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Speaker 7: of distrust. And I think that it has been kept

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Speaker 7: last two years. But it's not going to be kept

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Speaker 1: So Bethany Mandel, I teach kon law and have for

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Speaker 1: thirty years. I don't have opinions on Israeli constitutional law,

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Speaker 1: except I have now one. It's broken after listening to

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Speaker 1: these who's a centrist, I mean maybe center left, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's got to get fixed. And so those ten percent

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Speaker 1: or ten percent of the country that's the left go

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Speaker 1: out in the streets and shut things down. But does

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Speaker 1: everyone realize it's just fundamentally it doesn't work. And you're

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Speaker 1: the attorney general there, the one you've made or may

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Speaker 1: not see she's crazy.

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Speaker 7: Yes, not only so, not only were they shutting down

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Speaker 7: protest movement that was shutting down Tel Aviv every single

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Speaker 7: Saturday night. They superimposed that protest movement onto the hostages,

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Speaker 7: the hostage forum basically, and so a lot of that

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Speaker 7: hostage stuff also became extremely politicized because it was all

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Speaker 7: the same leadership, it was everything. They literally just pup

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Speaker 7: plug and placed the judicial reform protests into the hostage protests,

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Speaker 7: and it's become a really cynical, sad situation.

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Speaker 1: So does the averages really and again you're kind of

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Speaker 1: to say a couple of them listen to the show.

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Speaker 1: They're up too late if they're doing that. But does

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Speaker 1: the averages really just want to get to elections and

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Speaker 1: try again, or do they demand this inquiry because I

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Speaker 1: think having the inquiry with the Chief Justice to point

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Speaker 7: So a lot of Israelis listened to your show because

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Speaker 7: I got a lot of angry messages last week after

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Speaker 7: I said I didn't want to move.

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Speaker 8: Here, so oh no, it's not too late for them.

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Speaker 7: And I'll make them angry again. I don't think. I

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Speaker 7: don't think a lot of Israelies are paying attention. They're

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Speaker 7: really exhausted. I was on the beach today with two

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Speaker 7: girlfriends and we could hear the booms from.

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Speaker 8: Gaza, sixty miles away.

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Speaker 7: And I was with a girlfriend telling her what happened

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Speaker 7: to me in the airport earlier that day, and she said, wait,

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Speaker 7: are we going to go back?

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Speaker 8: I don't even pay attention to the news anymore. I'm

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Speaker 8: so exhausted. I can't deal with that stuff anymore.

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Speaker 7: And I think that's a lot of Israelis, obviously not

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Speaker 8: But a lot of them are just so exhausted from the.

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Speaker 7: Last two years that they've just tried to tune out

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Speaker 7: and domestic politics ranks lower on their radar than like

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Speaker 7: are we going to war again? That they're not super

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Speaker 7: concerned is my observation.

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Speaker 1: I can understand that, but the enemy gets to say

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Speaker 1: is building ballistic missiles, and to me that they're bad regime,

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Speaker 1: think I could listen to Robert Gulay saying this again.

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Speaker 1: Vic Maddis requested this be as Christmas music, and we

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Speaker 2: Vic.

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Speaker 9: I was about to, you know, tell you, Hugh, I

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Speaker 6: That's what I think.

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Speaker 1: Thought, Like, what are you for doing? I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: editor at the Washington Freebeek and in addition to being

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Speaker 1: the co host of the Getting Hammered podcast, have you

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Speaker 1: done your distilled spirits specially yet? Because it wasn't on

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Speaker 1: my list today?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, no.

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Speaker 9: We did a cocktail special last Thursday and it came out,

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Speaker 9: She did all the work. We had about four or

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Speaker 9: five different drinks, and she is a busy woman. I

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Speaker 9: have to tell you, this is my first time.

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Speaker 1: Tonight, not that afternoon.

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Speaker 9: She was no, that's true, and the kids were there,

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Speaker 9: and her husband is there. Everyone's busy working, and yet

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Speaker 9: she found time to set up a wide variety of

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Speaker 9: cocktails to try.

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Speaker 6: It was a lot of.

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Speaker 9: Fun and I highly recommend you and your listeners check

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Speaker 9: it out because it really was the good, the bad,

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Speaker 9: and the ugly for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Well, I will look when I don't listen on the weekend,

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Speaker 1: but I went through my podcast list this morning and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't there, So I think I must have missed

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Speaker 1: it when it came out. But I will listen to

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Speaker 1: it and we'll talk about it afterwards. But I still

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Speaker 1: think the Distilled Spirits Association is your natural sponsor. But Vick,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you, not in your capacity

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Speaker 1: as co host of Getting Hammered, but in your capacity

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Speaker 1: as arts and culture editor Cinema. This is from the

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal. Cinema owners see a new hurdle to

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Speaker 1: recovery the Warner deal, and it talks about that's not

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Speaker 1: the reason. Avatar, Fire and Ash a visual spectacle, and

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Speaker 1: a third installment in this blockbuster franchise is the sort

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Speaker 1: of movie made for Big Streen, half filled. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: see that in a thousand years. I thought the first

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Speaker 1: one was a joke. It's not the kind of you know.

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Speaker 1: The Odyssey is coming out from Christopher Nolan. That's what

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Speaker 1: we want, isn't it.

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Speaker 9: That is although the idea of I believe it's Miss

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Speaker 9: Matt Damon. I think playing or Ulysses.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure, but people have some concerns. I'm a

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Speaker 6: big fan of Christopher Nolan. I loved most of his

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Speaker 6: movies except for Tenant.

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Speaker 9: So I'm looking for this one because I don't think

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Speaker 9: this one will involve any sort of time travel. Hey Batman, Yes,

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Speaker 9: I know, but his Batman trilogy was excellent. They are

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Speaker 9: great moral and ethical dilemmas in those movies that are timeless,

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Speaker 9: and of course the Iliad and the Odyssey are also

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Speaker 9: obviously timeless, so I am looking forward to that.

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Speaker 6: With regard to Avatar, I have to cite I.

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Speaker 9: Believe it's Nelly Bowls from the Free Press who said

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Speaker 9: that the experience of watching that as a kid to

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Speaker 9: sitting next to somebody playing video games and falling asleep,

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Speaker 9: that's basically what it is.

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Speaker 6: I agree with you, Hugh.

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Speaker 9: The first movie, it was clear to me at least

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Speaker 9: that my inclination was to side with the I don't know,

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Speaker 9: the humans and planet.

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Speaker 6: Earth versus the aliens.

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Speaker 9: And the humans, of course, are are meant to be

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Speaker 9: bad because they're ram paging and raping nature and all

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Speaker 9: these different things, and that was a bit absurd.

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Speaker 1: So my bigger point is that they don't make enough

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Speaker 1: movies for normal people. I go see every movie for

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Speaker 1: a normal person out there. I used to go fetching

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Speaker 1: missus s Hewtt and I would go at least once

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Speaker 1: a week. We were probably seventy movie a year people,

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Speaker 1: because we had a couple of art houses where we lived,

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Speaker 1: and we would see some of the arts up too.

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Speaker 1: But I think I can count on one hand the

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Speaker 1: movie I've seen this year. I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: me problem or a theater problem. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: Hollywood problem.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent. I was trying to think when

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Speaker 6: you were saying that. The last time I went to

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Speaker 6: see a movie.

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Speaker 9: In the theater, and it was probably Ridley Scott's Napoleon,

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Speaker 9: and that was even slightly disappointing in some ways. But

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Speaker 9: I'm just finding less reasons or fewer reasons to go

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Speaker 9: to the theater.

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Speaker 6: As you know, Disney has been experiencing a slew of

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Speaker 6: problems trying to cater to the woken the left.

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Speaker 9: I mean, their last movie, Elliot, was a disaster, and

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Speaker 9: again they had to alter it because they were thinking

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Speaker 9: that it would be great to show that kind of

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Speaker 9: a woke movie about a kid who is you know,

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Speaker 9: sort of basically non binary for other kids to enjoy,

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Speaker 9: and they had to change it at the last minute

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Speaker 9: because somebody said, amazingly.

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Speaker 6: That might not be a good idea, but by then

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Speaker 6: it was too late.

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Speaker 9: We have no interest in that. I'd like to go

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Speaker 9: back to the olden days when Disney made great movies,

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Speaker 9: and so did Marvel for that matter, but that is

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Speaker 9: a time long gone. So I do hope for things

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Speaker 9: to be better, but I'm not going to hold my broth.

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Speaker 1: Well, this goes to the bigger question, and you're the

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Speaker 1: arts and culture editor. I don't think I think boomers

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Speaker 1: and millennials and exers might go to movies. I don't

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Speaker 1: think anyone younger than that grew up with a date

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Speaker 1: night including a movie and a burger. Right, there's an

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Speaker 1: entire deal that's gone now from the culture. There's no

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Speaker 1: putting that back.

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Speaker 6: No, that's right.

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Speaker 9: I think a lot of young people would just prefer

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Speaker 9: to see things that are streaming, with a few exceptions.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I knew a lot of young people wanted

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Speaker 9: to see Wicked two, including my daughter, and she came

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Speaker 9: back and said, you.

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Speaker 6: Know what, it wasn't that great. So there's that.

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Speaker 9: But I remember as a kid going to the movies

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Speaker 9: was a very big event. I remember, I think I

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Speaker 9: was nine or ten years old and we went to

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Speaker 9: see Return of the Jedi in the movie theater and

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Speaker 9: my other best friend and his family were also in line.

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Speaker 6: They said, do us a favor, save us seats. So

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Speaker 6: we're saving like ten seats, and.

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Speaker 9: It was like the Alamo Hue sending off all these

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Speaker 9: people trying.

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Speaker 6: To get the seats.

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Speaker 9: It was quite the experience, But I don't think that

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Speaker 9: that same experience holds up anymore.

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Speaker 1: B Either way, I never would agree to save someone

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Speaker 1: to see because I didn't want to put up with

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Speaker 1: the glares. And during the Jurassic Park release era, those

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Speaker 1: were there's a theater being destroyed in California called Big

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Speaker 1: Newports being torn down. They'll put up condos or a

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Speaker 1: building or something. It was a giant theater, three giant theaters,

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Speaker 1: as big as the Uptown in DC, as biggers than

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Speaker 1: any theater you ever been in. And the line would

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Speaker 1: be out the door for Jurassic Park or writer the

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Speaker 1: last Archer that's gone. Our children will never experience that.

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Speaker 6: No, it was a very exciting time. I mean I

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Speaker 6: lived in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 9: In the nineties when the Uptown Theater on Connecticut Avenue

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Speaker 9: was a big to do and you'd see all these

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Speaker 9: great movies there, whether it be Titanic or in Dependence Day.

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Speaker 9: Big events were held at that theater and the line

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Speaker 9: would be wrapped around the corner that sadly is gone.

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Speaker 9: I remember again as a kid waiting in line for

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Speaker 9: Empire Strikes Back with my family and my father, who

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Speaker 9: was a doctor at the time. He ran into a patient.

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Speaker 9: He was a young kid, a boy. He came out

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Speaker 9: and he said, oh, and my dad said, how is

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Speaker 9: the movie? He said, it's great. You're gonna love it

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Speaker 9: and that sort of sticks with you in your head.

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Speaker 1: I saw the Killing Fields in Gandhi at the Uptown

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Speaker 1: so it wasn't exactly a happy place for me, but

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Speaker 1: it was a grand old theater. And is it still there, Vic.

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Speaker 6: No, it is gone. It's gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's unfortunate. That was a grand old theater. Vic Mattis,

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Speaker 1: It look not a lot of news the week of Christmas,

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Speaker 1: but there is in college athletics and especially in football.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate that's it, billandug Osu dot substack dot com.

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Speaker 1: But I've been listening to the podcast there. This is

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Speaker 1: probably the last time we talked before the end of

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Speaker 1: the year, and we'll talk again in twenty six. So

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Speaker 1: I'd like to spend the first segment looking back at

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Speaker 1: the four games we watched this weekend and then looking

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Speaker 1: ahead to the four games ahead in the on New

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Speaker 1: Year's Eve and New Year's Day. First of all, what'd

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Speaker 1: you make of poor old James Madison Oregon? That looked

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Speaker 1: pretty awful.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's hard. There's quite a divide in college

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Speaker 10: sports right now, Hugh, that we have these lower conference

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Speaker 10: teams who have a chance to make the playoff. They

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Speaker 10: are guaranteed one spot. They got two spots this year.

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Speaker 10: James Madison and Tulane both made it. They are not

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Speaker 10: two of the twelve best teams in college football, but

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Speaker 10: they're in there anyway. And so what does that mean?

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Speaker 10: Is it good for the sport? Is it bad for

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Speaker 10: the sport. I've had people suggest to me that those

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Speaker 10: JMU players they're going to like be embarrassed that they

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Speaker 10: were part of something like that. I think those JMU

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Speaker 10: players are going to tell their grandkids they've played in

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Speaker 10: the college football Playoff, and I think that's great. And

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Speaker 10: I think that if we get into a world where

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Speaker 10: we expect every single game in the first round of

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Speaker 10: a playoff in any sport to be the highest level game,

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Speaker 10: the most competitive game you ever saw, I don't think

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Speaker 10: that's the only thing that playoffs exist for. I don't

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Speaker 10: think that's true in the NFL, in the NBA, in

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Speaker 10: Major League Baseball, and I don't think it should be

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Speaker 10: or has to be true in college football. So there's

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Speaker 10: a reality here that you have to let at least

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Speaker 10: one team in from the smaller conferences, or that playoff

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Speaker 10: might get sued. It might be an antitrust violation that

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Speaker 10: you're not like you're monopolizing things. So there's a there's

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Speaker 10: like a courtroom aspect to this.

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Speaker 3: HU.

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Speaker 10: But also JMU and Tulane. You know, Tennessee got blown

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Speaker 10: out by Ohio State last year, so JMU got blown

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Speaker 10: up by Oregon, Tulane got blown up by Old Miss.

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Speaker 10: The other two games are really competitive. I think it's

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Speaker 10: cool that we give those smaller programs a chance.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so my only question is than you would know

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Speaker 1: this and I don't. Is there a risk of injury

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Speaker 1: from the group of five schools playing the bigs That

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist when the bigs the big because football is

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Speaker 1: a violent sport. But you don't want the freshman team

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Speaker 1: playing the all state champions in high school.

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Speaker 10: Level, right, Yeah, it actually does happen to Hugh anyway

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Speaker 10: in the regular season. But what normally happens is those

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Speaker 10: lower level teams are paid one point five million dollars

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Speaker 10: one point eight two million dollars to go to a

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Speaker 10: big school, provide that home game attendance that you know,

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Speaker 10: the home team gets the ticket revenue, all that and

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Speaker 10: to get blown out. And that's part of the structure

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Speaker 10: of the sport. And so it's already happening, Hugh, that

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Speaker 10: those lower conference teams are playing the big conference teams.

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Speaker 10: But usually it's for a payday. Now it's for an opportunity.

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Speaker 10: So I don't think that there was any kind of

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Speaker 10: any more risk to those JMU players than you would see,

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Speaker 10: you know, and other thing you know, Tulane, Tulane played

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Speaker 10: Old Miss and the playoff. Tulane played Old Miss during

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Speaker 10: the regular season too, like Tulane played Duke and Northwestern

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Speaker 10: during the regular season. It's part of college foot ball.

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Speaker 10: So I understand your question, but we're already dealing with it.

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Speaker 10: I think they're okay, all right.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I understand your point of view

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Speaker 1: because I have JMU fans in the family, and they

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Speaker 1: were as excited as excited could be and they believed, right,

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Speaker 1: they believed, and I was actually pulling for him for

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Speaker 1: a quarter and a half. They were hanging, not close,

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Speaker 1: but they were hanging. But then it went likely. Let's

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Speaker 1: go to the two games that were not ugly, Alabama

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Speaker 1: and Oklahoma. I know you love Alabama so much. That's

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Speaker 1: a joke America. If there's one team Doug Way Marine

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Speaker 1: did not like, it's Alabama. It was a good game, though,

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Speaker 1: and it was kept us on the edge of our seats.

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Speaker 1: But they are what your at mid.

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Speaker 4: Mid uh we get.

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Speaker 10: It's a lot of adjective discussion, Hugh. Was it a

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Speaker 10: competitive game it was? Was it an exciting game it was?

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Speaker 10: Was it a close game it was? Was it a

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Speaker 10: good game? I don't know if the football was that good? Right,

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Speaker 10: Oklahola was up seventeen nothing and then they they d

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Speaker 10: you know, they blew what should have been a long past.

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Speaker 10: The hunter dropped the ball, their quarterback threw it straight

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Speaker 10: into the hands of an Alabama defensive player for an

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Speaker 10: interception return for a touchdown, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 10: Alabama's back in the game. So you had this situation where,

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Speaker 10: for instance, last year in the first round, and I

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Speaker 10: think your audience knows this. You this is this new

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Speaker 10: era where we have twelve teams in the playoff. We

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Speaker 10: have four first round games that are on home campus sites,

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Speaker 10: and last year all the home teams won. So this

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Speaker 10: was Alabama winning in Oklahoma, which is a credit to

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Speaker 10: Alabama to do that, But I didn't find that game

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Speaker 10: to be a particularly high level of college football. It

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Speaker 10: was fine, but it's also part of me. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 10: people are like h JMU and Tulane, they can't win

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Speaker 10: the national championship. I don't think Alabama can win the

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Speaker 10: national championship either. They beat Oklahoma, great congratulations, but I

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Speaker 10: think they're gonna have a tough time with Indiana.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it was exciting.

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Speaker 10: I don't know if it was good.

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Speaker 1: I'm coming back with Doug on the other side. We're

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Speaker 1: going to look ahead and you can put this in

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