1 00:00:20,186 --> 00:00:22,246 Speaker 1: Hi, friend. I'm so glad you're here today. 2 00:00:22,606 --> 00:00:25,506 Speaker 2: Let's learn how to raise our kids to love God, 3 00:00:25,886 --> 00:00:30,276 Speaker 2: respect authority, and do what's right. Let's scroll less and 4 00:00:30,416 --> 00:00:34,396 Speaker 2: live more. I'm Arlene Pelican, and this is The Happy Home. 5 00:00:38,476 --> 00:00:40,716 Speaker 2: So this month, I'm very excited to tell you I 6 00:00:40,756 --> 00:00:43,816 Speaker 2: have a brand new book out, The Great Tech Reset. 7 00:00:43,936 --> 00:00:45,595 Speaker 2: But not only do I have a new book out, 8 00:00:45,816 --> 00:00:50,095 Speaker 2: it's free. Yes, tap the microphone if you heard me correctly. 9 00:00:50,536 --> 00:00:55,786 Speaker 2: So go to techresetbook.com and get your free book. It's 10 00:00:55,825 --> 00:00:58,806 Speaker 2: a gift from Summit Ministries, and it is to reset 11 00:00:58,906 --> 00:01:00,865 Speaker 2: the tech in your home. And today I have a 12 00:01:00,926 --> 00:01:06,246 Speaker 2: very special guest who can now prove or disprove If 13 00:01:06,566 --> 00:01:10,126 Speaker 2: such a tech reset can exist, please welcome to the 14 00:01:10,166 --> 00:01:13,706 Speaker 2: podcast our middle child, Noelle Pelican. 15 00:01:14,846 --> 00:01:16,546 Speaker 1: Welcome, Noelle, to our home. 16 00:01:16,575 --> 00:01:18,006 Speaker 3: Thank you. I finally made it. 17 00:01:19,356 --> 00:01:21,616 Speaker 2: You have been on the podcast before. Now you've been 18 00:01:21,676 --> 00:01:25,236 Speaker 2: on twice. And you are kind of like going to 19 00:01:25,375 --> 00:01:28,856 Speaker 2: act as the spokesperson to your older brother, Ethan, and 20 00:01:28,875 --> 00:01:31,836 Speaker 2: your younger sister, Lucy. Are you okay with that? 21 00:01:31,856 --> 00:01:35,476 Speaker 3: Oh, boy. The real question is, are they okay with that? Exactly. 22 00:01:36,295 --> 00:01:39,236 Speaker 2: So you can, you're a very honest person. So what 23 00:01:39,276 --> 00:01:41,986 Speaker 2: you are going to share, I think for the most part, 24 00:01:42,426 --> 00:01:44,346 Speaker 2: you know, your brother and sister would say, yeah, we 25 00:01:44,386 --> 00:01:46,465 Speaker 2: agree with that. And thanks, Noelle, for going on the 26 00:01:46,506 --> 00:01:48,106 Speaker 2: show so that we all do it. 27 00:01:48,526 --> 00:01:51,136 Speaker 3: My pleasure. My pleasure. 28 00:01:51,876 --> 00:01:55,036 Speaker 1: So tell our listeners, you know, at what stage of 29 00:01:55,096 --> 00:01:55,896 Speaker 1: life are you in? 30 00:01:56,926 --> 00:01:59,726 Speaker 3: Yeah, so right now I'm 19 years old, about to 31 00:01:59,746 --> 00:02:03,476 Speaker 3: go into my senior year of college. I go to 32 00:02:03,536 --> 00:02:07,176 Speaker 3: school out of state in Tulsa, Oklahoma at Oral Roberts University. 33 00:02:07,676 --> 00:02:08,036 Speaker 2: Look at that. 34 00:02:08,056 --> 00:02:12,156 Speaker 3: Studying mechanical engineering. Very good. So, yeah, it's been great. 35 00:02:12,816 --> 00:02:16,136 Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to debunk some of the myths, which are, wait, 36 00:02:16,216 --> 00:02:19,096 Speaker 2: how did you get to college if you didn't have 37 00:02:19,156 --> 00:02:19,776 Speaker 2: a phone? 38 00:02:20,556 --> 00:02:21,636 Speaker 1: We're going to go to there. 39 00:02:22,056 --> 00:02:24,486 Speaker 2: But first I want to go in the little time 40 00:02:24,526 --> 00:02:27,486 Speaker 2: machine with you. And so here you are, you're Noelle, 41 00:02:27,506 --> 00:02:30,025 Speaker 2: you're a little girl. Those who are watching on YouTube 42 00:02:30,066 --> 00:02:32,935 Speaker 2: can see there are photographs of Noelle and also her 43 00:02:32,976 --> 00:02:34,895 Speaker 2: sister Lucy is actually who you're seeing. But Noelle's up 44 00:02:34,936 --> 00:02:39,676 Speaker 2: there of you as a little girl. You weren't allowed 45 00:02:39,696 --> 00:02:42,796 Speaker 2: to play video games. You weren't allowed to have a tablet. 46 00:02:43,346 --> 00:02:47,226 Speaker 2: We really didn't have cable during those early years. So 47 00:02:47,466 --> 00:02:48,566 Speaker 2: what did you do. 48 00:02:48,566 --> 00:02:50,865 Speaker 1: In your free time as a little girl, like in 49 00:02:50,946 --> 00:02:51,646 Speaker 1: elementary school? 50 00:02:52,766 --> 00:02:53,645 Speaker 2: Yeah, um. 51 00:02:54,966 --> 00:02:56,965 Speaker 3: There definitely didn't feel like there was a void because 52 00:02:56,986 --> 00:02:59,806 Speaker 3: of that. We'd found lots of ways to amuse ourselves. 53 00:02:59,826 --> 00:03:05,446 Speaker 3: It probably also helped having siblings. So we would bother 54 00:03:05,486 --> 00:03:08,436 Speaker 3: each other or be bothered by each other. But it 55 00:03:08,476 --> 00:03:11,215 Speaker 3: was a lot of reading. I remember I was quite 56 00:03:11,256 --> 00:03:15,096 Speaker 3: the monster in the library. I would read a lot. 57 00:03:15,576 --> 00:03:19,365 Speaker 3: Still do, kind of. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of just 58 00:03:19,406 --> 00:03:24,486 Speaker 3: like playing. Our family is very active. So biking, rollerblading, 59 00:03:24,805 --> 00:03:27,465 Speaker 3: all that stuff, you know, out in the street a 60 00:03:27,486 --> 00:03:28,766 Speaker 3: little bit. 61 00:03:30,506 --> 00:03:30,766 Speaker 2: Yeah. 62 00:03:30,846 --> 00:03:34,826 Speaker 3: Lots of Legos too. So we found ways to keep 63 00:03:34,886 --> 00:03:36,416 Speaker 3: amused for sure. Yes. 64 00:03:36,656 --> 00:03:40,456 Speaker 2: And kind of what, like looking back to developing kind 65 00:03:40,476 --> 00:03:43,616 Speaker 2: of those interests, like doing things, how does that help 66 00:03:43,656 --> 00:03:44,056 Speaker 2: you today? 67 00:03:44,946 --> 00:03:47,966 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it definitely helps when I am... Like 68 00:03:48,006 --> 00:03:51,306 Speaker 3: if I'm feeling bored now, I know that there's a 69 00:03:51,326 --> 00:03:53,836 Speaker 3: natural instinct for sure to pick up your phone. And 70 00:03:53,876 --> 00:03:58,056 Speaker 3: that's kind of where that leads. But after years of 71 00:03:58,176 --> 00:04:01,815 Speaker 3: not having the phone to reach to, it's been like, oh, 72 00:04:01,836 --> 00:04:04,596 Speaker 3: I'm bored. But I have a lot of hobbies and 73 00:04:04,696 --> 00:04:07,246 Speaker 3: interests that I've been developing since I was little. Like 74 00:04:07,306 --> 00:04:09,306 Speaker 3: I love to draw. And that was something I did 75 00:04:09,366 --> 00:04:11,845 Speaker 3: since elementary school. So now if I have free time, 76 00:04:11,906 --> 00:04:14,216 Speaker 3: it's like, oh... Maybe I'll go draw. Maybe I'll go 77 00:04:14,256 --> 00:04:16,936 Speaker 3: pick up a book instead. And I think just for me, 78 00:04:16,996 --> 00:04:20,706 Speaker 3: at least, that's a lot of a healthier way to 79 00:04:20,746 --> 00:04:24,046 Speaker 3: spend my time rather than just instinctually reaching for my phone. 80 00:04:24,946 --> 00:04:27,926 Speaker 1: You know, and later we're going to drop your Instagram, which, 81 00:04:28,006 --> 00:04:28,746 Speaker 1: and we'll actually. 82 00:04:28,566 --> 00:04:31,186 Speaker 2: Talk about this where people will actually get to see 83 00:04:31,266 --> 00:04:31,886 Speaker 2: what you draw. 84 00:04:31,966 --> 00:04:34,546 Speaker 1: So that's kind of fun. Let's go through. 85 00:04:34,426 --> 00:04:37,476 Speaker 2: Some of some concerns because if people say, Oh, the 86 00:04:37,486 --> 00:04:39,436 Speaker 2: Pelican family, sure. 87 00:04:39,536 --> 00:04:40,696 Speaker 1: She's the tech author. 88 00:04:40,836 --> 00:04:45,196 Speaker 2: Of course, her family didn't have technology, you know, you know, 89 00:04:45,255 --> 00:04:47,256 Speaker 2: it'll work for them, but it won't work for us. 90 00:04:47,936 --> 00:04:49,876 Speaker 1: Right. So it's what people are kind of thinking. 91 00:04:50,456 --> 00:04:53,815 Speaker 2: Because my child needs technology to connect with her friends, 92 00:04:54,056 --> 00:04:56,696 Speaker 2: that that's how friends talk is on social media. 93 00:04:56,776 --> 00:04:57,736 Speaker 1: What would you say to that? 94 00:04:58,866 --> 00:05:02,866 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, our family is definitely a little weird. Sure. 95 00:05:02,926 --> 00:05:08,326 Speaker 3: We'll grant you that. We're not like the whole, it's 96 00:05:08,346 --> 00:05:09,716 Speaker 3: going to work for them, but it's not going to 97 00:05:09,726 --> 00:05:10,335 Speaker 3: work for me. 98 00:05:10,565 --> 00:05:10,916 Speaker 2: Yeah. 99 00:05:12,476 --> 00:05:15,836 Speaker 3: Just ask like, why? Why? I guess there's not like 100 00:05:15,876 --> 00:05:18,416 Speaker 3: a ton of things. Like I went to public school 101 00:05:18,695 --> 00:05:22,336 Speaker 3: my entire life, elementary school, middle school, high school, all 102 00:05:22,356 --> 00:05:26,976 Speaker 3: without a phone. And I was able to do it. 103 00:05:27,266 --> 00:05:29,385 Speaker 3: And were there moments that it was hard and challenging 104 00:05:29,846 --> 00:05:33,186 Speaker 3: and kind of awkward and strange? And it was like, yeah. 105 00:05:33,246 --> 00:05:35,586 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, I was very 106 00:05:35,626 --> 00:05:38,005 Speaker 3: grateful for the experience. I thought it was honestly one 107 00:05:38,026 --> 00:05:42,156 Speaker 3: of the greatest gifts that you, mommy, and daddy were 108 00:05:42,195 --> 00:05:45,436 Speaker 3: able to give me. was having that high school experience 109 00:05:46,096 --> 00:05:49,026 Speaker 3: without a phone because it's hard enough. You don't need 110 00:05:49,586 --> 00:05:51,926 Speaker 3: a phone to add to that. So I think if 111 00:05:52,065 --> 00:05:54,065 Speaker 3: one of the myths that's keeping you from that is 112 00:05:54,106 --> 00:05:58,746 Speaker 3: that your child will need it to connect. Number one, 113 00:05:58,786 --> 00:06:02,626 Speaker 3: I find that really ironic if you think about it 114 00:06:02,706 --> 00:06:07,326 Speaker 3: because I feel like now there's enough data and statistics 115 00:06:07,406 --> 00:06:10,876 Speaker 3: out there that have really shown that adding a phone 116 00:06:10,956 --> 00:06:13,326 Speaker 3: and Instagram or not even Instagram, but social media in 117 00:06:13,366 --> 00:06:17,166 Speaker 3: general into your life makes you feel more disconnected than connected. 118 00:06:18,046 --> 00:06:21,476 Speaker 3: So just thinking that your child will need a phone 119 00:06:21,596 --> 00:06:25,276 Speaker 3: in order to connect with other people in high school, 120 00:06:26,016 --> 00:06:28,575 Speaker 3: it just, it kind of falls apart once you really 121 00:06:28,656 --> 00:06:32,686 Speaker 3: think about it. And there's definitely an element of Oh, 122 00:06:32,726 --> 00:06:34,746 Speaker 3: I want my child to like to know where my 123 00:06:34,786 --> 00:06:36,986 Speaker 3: child is for safety reasons or if they want to 124 00:06:37,005 --> 00:06:40,006 Speaker 3: get together with their friends. It's nice to reach out. 125 00:06:40,726 --> 00:06:44,146 Speaker 3: And those are valid. And but there's other ways to 126 00:06:44,206 --> 00:06:45,945 Speaker 3: do that. That's not just giving them a phone like 127 00:06:46,226 --> 00:06:49,686 Speaker 3: for me. And this was this. Some kids are probably 128 00:06:49,706 --> 00:06:51,786 Speaker 3: going to say, oh, wow, you are so lame. Because 129 00:06:51,945 --> 00:06:55,486 Speaker 3: I would use my mom's phone to text my friends 130 00:06:55,516 --> 00:06:59,755 Speaker 3: to coordinate where to meet and hang out after school. 131 00:07:00,716 --> 00:07:03,516 Speaker 3: And maybe, yeah, that makes me a little lame. But 132 00:07:04,195 --> 00:07:08,176 Speaker 3: so what? Honestly, I still had a great social life. 133 00:07:08,596 --> 00:07:11,116 Speaker 3: And again, at the end of the day, the pros 134 00:07:11,156 --> 00:07:15,636 Speaker 3: of not having that phone were way outweighed the cons 135 00:07:15,936 --> 00:07:19,546 Speaker 3: of maybe the minor inconvenience of having to use my 136 00:07:19,586 --> 00:07:22,856 Speaker 3: mom's phone or a Google voice number, or even a 137 00:07:22,896 --> 00:07:23,956 Speaker 3: dumb phone, something like that. 138 00:07:24,976 --> 00:07:27,766 Speaker 2: When someone asks you, give us the two reactions, because 139 00:07:27,786 --> 00:07:29,086 Speaker 2: you could get either like. 140 00:07:29,186 --> 00:07:31,846 Speaker 1: Wow, you don't have a phone, respect, or you don't 141 00:07:31,866 --> 00:07:34,965 Speaker 1: have a phone, you're a loser. Yeah, it's actually really funny. 142 00:07:35,206 --> 00:07:38,786 Speaker 3: In high school, I actually really enjoyed telling people that 143 00:07:39,626 --> 00:07:41,286 Speaker 3: I don't have a phone, because it was always shock 144 00:07:41,326 --> 00:07:46,176 Speaker 3: and awe. I never got like a, oh, you're so 145 00:07:46,216 --> 00:07:49,126 Speaker 3: not cool. It was always like, Oh, shoot. That's kind 146 00:07:49,366 --> 00:07:52,366 Speaker 3: of crazy. How do you do it? It was mostly that. 147 00:07:53,186 --> 00:07:55,206 Speaker 3: And it was cool because a couple of my friends, too, 148 00:07:55,966 --> 00:07:58,006 Speaker 3: they all knew. I think we're at a point now 149 00:07:58,546 --> 00:08:02,016 Speaker 3: where a lot of people are on social media, whether 150 00:08:02,036 --> 00:08:03,976 Speaker 3: it be TikTok or Instagram, and we know that it's 151 00:08:04,016 --> 00:08:06,836 Speaker 3: a huge time pit, but we do it anyways. And 152 00:08:06,856 --> 00:08:08,836 Speaker 3: we all kind of know that it's not good for us, 153 00:08:08,976 --> 00:08:11,136 Speaker 3: and we know that it's harming us, and we know 154 00:08:11,156 --> 00:08:13,216 Speaker 3: that we probably want to stop and don't want to 155 00:08:13,236 --> 00:08:16,386 Speaker 3: be on it more often, but we just... Maybe we 156 00:08:16,406 --> 00:08:18,686 Speaker 3: don't care enough or are motivated enough to actually go 157 00:08:18,726 --> 00:08:20,986 Speaker 3: and take that step. But I think definitely at the 158 00:08:21,026 --> 00:08:23,766 Speaker 3: place I was in, and I think the current climate 159 00:08:23,926 --> 00:08:26,536 Speaker 3: today also, when I would tell my friends and my 160 00:08:26,576 --> 00:08:29,636 Speaker 3: peers that I didn't have a phone, it was mainly like, oh, 161 00:08:29,716 --> 00:08:32,736 Speaker 3: that's cool. I wish I was on Instagram less. So 162 00:08:33,016 --> 00:08:34,996 Speaker 3: that's a lot of the reaction that I got. 163 00:08:35,986 --> 00:08:38,926 Speaker 2: We have the time pit, right? So this total wasted time, 164 00:08:38,966 --> 00:08:41,106 Speaker 2: now you can use your time better, but also kind 165 00:08:41,146 --> 00:08:44,026 Speaker 2: of like the pit pit. Like when you're on, it's 166 00:08:44,086 --> 00:08:49,806 Speaker 2: like you're seeing gross things. Like you're shown things like 167 00:08:50,066 --> 00:08:53,566 Speaker 2: whether it's like body image or it's drugs or it's 168 00:08:53,766 --> 00:08:56,326 Speaker 2: suicide or just news, like bad news all the time. 169 00:08:56,366 --> 00:08:59,446 Speaker 2: What difference has that made you feel in your life 170 00:08:59,626 --> 00:09:02,066 Speaker 2: not to have had all those inputs all these years? 171 00:09:02,706 --> 00:09:06,966 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think the dangers of social media is twofold. 172 00:09:06,986 --> 00:09:13,876 Speaker 3: It's probably more fold than that, but one is just, yeah, 173 00:09:13,896 --> 00:09:15,936 Speaker 3: as we were saying, just the time that it's taking away. 174 00:09:15,956 --> 00:09:19,136 Speaker 3: So even, even let's just say best case scenario, everything 175 00:09:19,176 --> 00:09:24,456 Speaker 3: on your feed is lovely. Um, roaming in the field. 176 00:09:24,626 --> 00:09:25,906 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. 177 00:09:26,286 --> 00:09:28,366 Speaker 3: It's like, there's nothing negative on there, which is never 178 00:09:28,386 --> 00:09:30,426 Speaker 3: the case, but let's just say that it is. Even 179 00:09:30,466 --> 00:09:33,716 Speaker 3: if that was the case, and you were spending hours there, 180 00:09:33,816 --> 00:09:37,396 Speaker 3: is that really the best time allotment, the best stewardship 181 00:09:37,416 --> 00:09:40,536 Speaker 3: of your time? I'm going to say no. I'm going 182 00:09:40,556 --> 00:09:46,036 Speaker 3: to say that's a big misappropriation. And then going more 183 00:09:46,076 --> 00:09:49,506 Speaker 3: realistic and more on the negative side, we can see, 184 00:09:49,546 --> 00:09:54,306 Speaker 3: we obviously know social media is the place of comparison 185 00:09:54,846 --> 00:09:59,646 Speaker 3: and just... Lots of stupidity on the internet. You can 186 00:09:59,666 --> 00:10:03,366 Speaker 3: truly find anything that you want. You really can. You 187 00:10:03,386 --> 00:10:06,586 Speaker 3: can scroll through endless cycles of comments that are just 188 00:10:08,166 --> 00:10:11,136 Speaker 3: some nasty people, some really nasty people that put out 189 00:10:11,196 --> 00:10:14,336 Speaker 3: some really messed up stuff. Not even talking about the 190 00:10:14,416 --> 00:10:19,276 Speaker 3: dangers of people trying to scam and fish online. which 191 00:10:19,336 --> 00:10:23,166 Speaker 3: is totally separate thing. But I know for me in 192 00:10:23,206 --> 00:10:27,016 Speaker 3: high school, sophomore year especially was really difficult for me. Like, 193 00:10:27,566 --> 00:10:29,786 Speaker 3: comparing myself a lot to others, dealing with a lot 194 00:10:29,806 --> 00:10:33,826 Speaker 3: of insecurity. And I didn't have a phone or Instagram 195 00:10:34,296 --> 00:10:36,796 Speaker 3: or people online to compare myself to. That was just 196 00:10:36,856 --> 00:10:39,656 Speaker 3: me comparing myself to people, my peers who I saw 197 00:10:39,716 --> 00:10:42,056 Speaker 3: in high school, like in class. So I can only 198 00:10:42,116 --> 00:10:46,246 Speaker 3: imagine for the girl who has that times 10, because 199 00:10:46,266 --> 00:10:50,106 Speaker 3: you can go on Instagram and see all these beautiful 200 00:10:50,166 --> 00:10:54,226 Speaker 3: models or whatever. It just doesn't make your problems any better. 201 00:10:54,806 --> 00:10:57,686 Speaker 3: And even for me, like, I was on LinkedIn the 202 00:10:57,706 --> 00:11:00,186 Speaker 3: other day. LinkedIn. And I was looking at these people 203 00:11:00,226 --> 00:11:04,066 Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, they're so successful. I should be there. 204 00:11:04,376 --> 00:11:08,696 Speaker 3: And that's on LinkedIn. Come on. So just imagine how 205 00:11:08,716 --> 00:11:13,576 Speaker 3: much worse for somebody whose brain isn't even fully developed yet. 206 00:11:14,316 --> 00:11:17,666 Speaker 3: And they're just getting hours and hours of that on 207 00:11:18,286 --> 00:11:22,466 Speaker 3: social media. And some of it is also just people 208 00:11:22,486 --> 00:11:23,826 Speaker 3: putting out very. 209 00:11:25,496 --> 00:11:32,766 Speaker 3: Negative ideologies and stuff that is just destructive, especially for 210 00:11:33,726 --> 00:11:37,806 Speaker 3: even body image and even going political. There's a lot 211 00:11:37,846 --> 00:11:41,496 Speaker 3: of crazy stuff out there that's just very widely accepted 212 00:11:42,016 --> 00:11:46,616 Speaker 3: on platforms like TikTok and Instagram that's just not healthy, 213 00:11:47,036 --> 00:11:50,676 Speaker 3: and I don't see it being productive enough. and just 214 00:11:51,166 --> 00:11:51,676 Speaker 3: to believe in. 215 00:11:52,006 --> 00:11:54,126 Speaker 1: And a lot of it totally contrary to the gospel. 216 00:11:54,146 --> 00:11:55,246 Speaker 3: Yeah. 217 00:11:55,846 --> 00:11:58,986 Speaker 2: What would you say to the person that's like, well, 218 00:11:59,026 --> 00:12:02,826 Speaker 2: they have to be on it in order to be 219 00:12:02,866 --> 00:12:04,246 Speaker 2: in this technological world. 220 00:12:04,266 --> 00:12:06,026 Speaker 1: They need it for school for academics. 221 00:12:06,446 --> 00:12:06,666 Speaker 3: Yeah. 222 00:12:06,826 --> 00:12:09,946 Speaker 2: So I'd like to kind of overlay this with, okay, 223 00:12:10,446 --> 00:12:12,906 Speaker 2: you don't have a phone, but it really strengthened your 224 00:12:12,946 --> 00:12:16,786 Speaker 2: attention span. Because if you are raised on shorts... And 225 00:12:16,826 --> 00:12:19,766 Speaker 2: then you are put in a classroom. Like it's very 226 00:12:19,826 --> 00:12:20,806 Speaker 2: hard to concentrate. 227 00:12:22,066 --> 00:12:24,426 Speaker 3: That is true. That's definitely true. Having a phone in 228 00:12:24,446 --> 00:12:27,706 Speaker 3: the class is also like probably the worst thing you 229 00:12:27,726 --> 00:12:36,776 Speaker 3: could ever do for your attention span. And yeah. Sorry, 230 00:12:36,796 --> 00:12:37,036 Speaker 3: could you? 231 00:12:37,686 --> 00:12:39,416 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me rephrase. I gave you many 232 00:12:39,436 --> 00:12:40,316 Speaker 1: questions in one. 233 00:12:40,336 --> 00:12:41,496 Speaker 3: I got a little lost in the sauce. 234 00:12:41,556 --> 00:12:43,896 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's totally true. So can you do well in 235 00:12:43,916 --> 00:12:44,696 Speaker 1: school without a phone? 236 00:12:45,256 --> 00:12:49,756 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Yeah, so thinking that you need a phone 237 00:12:50,076 --> 00:12:53,916 Speaker 3: to be technologically savvy, let's say, in academics, and then 238 00:12:54,006 --> 00:12:59,506 Speaker 3: once you graduate, definitely not true. There's definitely to an 239 00:12:59,566 --> 00:13:03,546 Speaker 3: extent for this. Like for me, just because I didn't 240 00:13:03,586 --> 00:13:05,306 Speaker 3: have a phone doesn't mean I was off screens. Like 241 00:13:06,126 --> 00:13:08,976 Speaker 3: in high school, I was definitely on the computer a lot, 242 00:13:10,276 --> 00:13:13,436 Speaker 3: doing homework, doing things. I mentioned art earlier, so I 243 00:13:13,436 --> 00:13:17,196 Speaker 3: would take a lot of art classes online. Definitely watched 244 00:13:17,276 --> 00:13:24,416 Speaker 3: a good amount of YouTube. Let's not lie. But the 245 00:13:24,456 --> 00:13:29,126 Speaker 3: whole misconception of my child is going to be digitally 246 00:13:29,326 --> 00:13:34,476 Speaker 3: illiterate if I don't give them a phone is... also 247 00:13:34,556 --> 00:13:37,436 Speaker 3: falls apart when you think about it because the phone 248 00:13:37,496 --> 00:13:42,556 Speaker 3: is just, it's just so easy to use. There's really 249 00:13:42,596 --> 00:13:44,016 Speaker 3: not much to it. I don't know. 250 00:13:44,756 --> 00:13:46,636 Speaker 1: Sit there for hours and. 251 00:13:46,576 --> 00:13:48,646 Speaker 3: Swipe their little finger. Let's just say when I got 252 00:13:48,676 --> 00:13:51,646 Speaker 3: my first phone in, as my senior year in high school, 253 00:13:51,706 --> 00:13:54,926 Speaker 3: almost graduated, it didn't take me very much time to 254 00:13:54,966 --> 00:13:58,166 Speaker 3: learn how to use it. I'll just say that it 255 00:13:58,226 --> 00:14:03,786 Speaker 3: really did not. Um, And even like now I still like, 256 00:14:03,886 --> 00:14:06,366 Speaker 3: I have to keep my screen time down and that 257 00:14:06,386 --> 00:14:10,316 Speaker 3: does not mean I'm don't know how to use technology. Um, 258 00:14:11,176 --> 00:14:14,516 Speaker 3: So there's, there's definitely that's, that would be a misconception, 259 00:14:14,556 --> 00:14:15,056 Speaker 3: I would say. 260 00:14:15,656 --> 00:14:17,936 Speaker 2: So I do not keep track of my screen time. 261 00:14:18,576 --> 00:14:22,396 Speaker 2: You keep track of your screen time, right? So people 262 00:14:22,436 --> 00:14:25,396 Speaker 2: will say, well, let me have them try all this 263 00:14:25,436 --> 00:14:27,786 Speaker 2: at home while they're home. Because if they get it 264 00:14:28,006 --> 00:14:30,296 Speaker 2: right before they launch out into the world, they'll go crazy. 265 00:14:30,316 --> 00:14:31,826 Speaker 2: You know, all of a sudden they'll be like on 266 00:14:31,866 --> 00:14:33,606 Speaker 2: the phone for eight hours a day. They'll be watching 267 00:14:33,626 --> 00:14:36,686 Speaker 2: pornography and playing all these nasty video games and they'll 268 00:14:36,706 --> 00:14:37,166 Speaker 2: go crazy. 269 00:14:37,206 --> 00:14:39,446 Speaker 1: So I liked it. So why, why did you not 270 00:14:39,486 --> 00:14:41,306 Speaker 1: go crazy when you got this phone. 271 00:14:46,686 --> 00:14:49,466 Speaker 3: Number one is when you don't give your child the 272 00:14:49,486 --> 00:14:53,236 Speaker 3: phone like when you withhold it you don't just say 273 00:14:53,336 --> 00:14:55,316 Speaker 3: no like you don't just say no you can't have 274 00:14:55,356 --> 00:15:00,336 Speaker 3: a phone you explain why you believe that and you 275 00:15:00,376 --> 00:15:04,736 Speaker 3: explain what's behind that because you you treat your child 276 00:15:04,816 --> 00:15:08,486 Speaker 3: like a like an adult and you respect them and 277 00:15:08,526 --> 00:15:10,946 Speaker 3: you want the best for them and you They have 278 00:15:10,986 --> 00:15:14,946 Speaker 3: to understand, like, I understood before I got my phone 279 00:15:15,206 --> 00:15:19,466 Speaker 3: why that was with health for me. It wasn't just like, oh, 280 00:15:19,906 --> 00:15:22,866 Speaker 3: that's something I can't have. It was like, I don't 281 00:15:22,886 --> 00:15:26,146 Speaker 3: have a phone right now because my parents really care 282 00:15:26,726 --> 00:15:30,886 Speaker 3: about my mental health. And they know that that could 283 00:15:30,926 --> 00:15:34,566 Speaker 3: be very potentially detrimental. There's a lot of dangers on that. 284 00:15:36,186 --> 00:15:38,516 Speaker 3: They care about how I'm allocating my time and they 285 00:15:38,556 --> 00:15:42,276 Speaker 3: want me to do that wisely. And I knew all 286 00:15:42,316 --> 00:15:45,606 Speaker 3: of that before I got a phone. So once I 287 00:15:45,666 --> 00:15:49,286 Speaker 3: got a phone, it wasn't like, oh, finally freedom. It 288 00:15:49,326 --> 00:15:52,086 Speaker 3: was like, okay, I'm already educated on all of the 289 00:15:52,166 --> 00:15:55,606 Speaker 3: risks that this brings. So now when I finally get it, 290 00:15:55,686 --> 00:15:57,926 Speaker 3: I'm going to be very careful with it. I'm going 291 00:15:57,946 --> 00:16:01,866 Speaker 3: to put boundaries in place so that that doesn't happen 292 00:16:01,906 --> 00:16:04,276 Speaker 3: to me. And I'm going to try and use this wisely. 293 00:16:05,256 --> 00:16:08,876 Speaker 3: So I just find that whole argument of, oh, I 294 00:16:08,916 --> 00:16:11,206 Speaker 3: need to give it to them now while they're still 295 00:16:11,246 --> 00:16:15,226 Speaker 3: in the home before they launch out. It literally does 296 00:16:15,266 --> 00:16:17,966 Speaker 3: not work with anything else, like anything else. Like, would 297 00:16:18,006 --> 00:16:20,386 Speaker 3: you ever give your kids a little bit of drugs 298 00:16:20,786 --> 00:16:22,896 Speaker 3: so that when they finally leave the house, like they're 299 00:16:22,916 --> 00:16:24,356 Speaker 3: not going to become an addict? 300 00:16:24,716 --> 00:16:27,856 Speaker 1: It's just it doesn't work out. 301 00:16:27,916 --> 00:16:30,956 Speaker 2: Like, let's have you drive before you have your license 302 00:16:30,996 --> 00:16:31,916 Speaker 2: just to kind of test it. 303 00:16:31,956 --> 00:16:33,216 Speaker 1: Like, I don't see why that logic works. 304 00:16:35,466 --> 00:16:38,226 Speaker 3: It's kind of only applied in this situation and I 305 00:16:38,286 --> 00:16:39,066 Speaker 3: don't think it works. 306 00:16:39,646 --> 00:16:44,066 Speaker 1: Interesting. That's, that's, wow. I'm learning something from you right now. 307 00:16:44,766 --> 00:16:46,846 Speaker 2: So when you got your Instagram or when you got 308 00:16:46,866 --> 00:16:50,296 Speaker 2: your phone, you did not put on social media right away. 309 00:16:50,356 --> 00:16:51,296 Speaker 1: What was your process? 310 00:16:51,816 --> 00:16:54,276 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I definitely wanted to be very careful. The 311 00:16:54,296 --> 00:16:56,356 Speaker 3: reason I got my phone, I got it like, um, 312 00:16:57,256 --> 00:16:59,076 Speaker 3: I got it after AP testing. So like a month 313 00:16:59,116 --> 00:17:01,256 Speaker 3: before I graduated, because I wanted to get all of 314 00:17:01,296 --> 00:17:04,946 Speaker 3: my friend's phone numbers and contacts information before I left 315 00:17:04,996 --> 00:17:08,735 Speaker 3: for college, um, which I thought was good. And I 316 00:17:09,356 --> 00:17:13,576 Speaker 3: knew I didn't want to download social media definitely within 317 00:17:13,616 --> 00:17:17,646 Speaker 3: the first few months of having the phone, um, just 318 00:17:17,686 --> 00:17:21,005 Speaker 3: as a boundary for myself. And then I know a 319 00:17:21,026 --> 00:17:23,606 Speaker 3: lot of people say like, you need it to keep 320 00:17:23,666 --> 00:17:26,926 Speaker 3: in touch with your friends and And there's definitely an 321 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:29,946 Speaker 3: aspect of that that's cool. But for me, the argument 322 00:17:29,985 --> 00:17:31,646 Speaker 3: that just worked for me was if I really, if 323 00:17:32,086 --> 00:17:34,216 Speaker 3: I really care about these people and care about maintaining 324 00:17:34,255 --> 00:17:37,095 Speaker 3: this relationship, then I can just text them. And I 325 00:17:37,136 --> 00:17:40,516 Speaker 3: feel like that is even a lot more intentional than 326 00:17:40,556 --> 00:17:44,575 Speaker 3: just harding a post. I thought like, no, if I 327 00:17:44,596 --> 00:17:47,565 Speaker 3: really care about this relationship, then I will reach out 328 00:17:47,626 --> 00:17:50,186 Speaker 3: to you. And I don't need to just follow you 329 00:17:50,225 --> 00:17:52,546 Speaker 3: on Instagram because I feel like that's a very passive 330 00:17:52,586 --> 00:17:56,485 Speaker 3: way to really keep in touch with somebody. Um, so 331 00:17:57,686 --> 00:17:59,465 Speaker 3: that was kind of the logic I used where I 332 00:17:59,566 --> 00:18:02,545 Speaker 3: didn't want, I just didn't want it at first. I 333 00:18:02,566 --> 00:18:05,786 Speaker 3: didn't want another reason to be on my phone more. 334 00:18:06,326 --> 00:18:09,146 Speaker 3: And I knew that if down the line I wanted 335 00:18:09,166 --> 00:18:12,696 Speaker 3: to get Instagram, it wasn't like a firm boundary, like never. Yeah. 336 00:18:12,715 --> 00:18:14,036 Speaker 3: It was more of like, we're going to take this 337 00:18:14,106 --> 00:18:16,636 Speaker 3: slow and see where it goes. And if this is 338 00:18:16,796 --> 00:18:19,235 Speaker 3: something that I want to do, then I can, as 339 00:18:19,275 --> 00:18:22,336 Speaker 3: long as I keep those boundaries in place and establish 340 00:18:22,376 --> 00:18:23,896 Speaker 3: that before I actually get the app. 341 00:18:25,136 --> 00:18:27,836 Speaker 2: And when you did do it, it became your art Instagram. 342 00:18:27,876 --> 00:18:30,116 Speaker 2: So what's your handle so people can look at what 343 00:18:30,156 --> 00:18:32,255 Speaker 2: you end up drawing because you didn't have a phone? 344 00:18:32,396 --> 00:18:34,795 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I did end up getting an Instagram account. 345 00:18:34,916 --> 00:18:39,796 Speaker 3: So there we go. And it's purely for my art. 346 00:18:40,076 --> 00:18:43,776 Speaker 3: I love to draw. So it's Noelle Pelican Art, just 347 00:18:43,816 --> 00:18:45,275 Speaker 3: my name and then word art at the end. 348 00:18:46,666 --> 00:18:49,265 Speaker 1: And we'll have a link on our show notes. Oh, 349 00:18:50,366 --> 00:18:52,975 Speaker 1: look at that. They can see if they like what 350 00:18:52,995 --> 00:18:53,626 Speaker 1: you draw. 351 00:18:53,406 --> 00:18:58,796 Speaker 2: And they could potentially commission a really. 352 00:18:57,995 --> 00:19:02,476 Speaker 1: Cool car for you to draw. I love that. 353 00:19:02,636 --> 00:19:05,616 Speaker 3: And then I use it. Something that I do is 354 00:19:05,896 --> 00:19:10,966 Speaker 3: I don't follow my friends back. It's maybe a little cold, 355 00:19:11,086 --> 00:19:13,646 Speaker 3: but I'm like, you guys can follow me. Feel free to, 356 00:19:13,686 --> 00:19:16,025 Speaker 3: but I'm not going to follow you back. because I 357 00:19:16,066 --> 00:19:18,806 Speaker 3: just put, I put that boundary where this is not 358 00:19:18,846 --> 00:19:21,725 Speaker 3: going to become a personal account. If I start following 359 00:19:21,765 --> 00:19:25,285 Speaker 3: my friends, that is just going to spiral. And I 360 00:19:25,386 --> 00:19:29,406 Speaker 3: didn't want a personal account. Um, so that's kind of 361 00:19:29,465 --> 00:19:31,166 Speaker 3: the line that I set. So I do follow like 362 00:19:31,186 --> 00:19:34,926 Speaker 3: other artists, people that I'm like inspired by. So when 363 00:19:34,965 --> 00:19:39,386 Speaker 3: I look through my feed, sometimes it's purely like art. 364 00:19:40,005 --> 00:19:44,586 Speaker 3: So I can see like inspiration or photography, um, which 365 00:19:44,646 --> 00:19:47,005 Speaker 3: helps me with my, I guess, creative process in a sense, 366 00:19:47,225 --> 00:19:48,975 Speaker 3: which can also turn into a rabbit hole. 367 00:19:49,196 --> 00:19:49,755 Speaker 1: Sure. 368 00:19:49,816 --> 00:19:53,416 Speaker 3: Because that justification doesn't work for everything, but I can 369 00:19:53,495 --> 00:19:55,036 Speaker 3: use it for lots of things. 370 00:19:55,676 --> 00:19:58,536 Speaker 2: But this is, this is kind of astounding because you are, 371 00:19:58,755 --> 00:20:01,426 Speaker 2: you're teaching us adults something because you're saying I can 372 00:20:01,485 --> 00:20:03,686 Speaker 2: so intentionally use this. So if I said I wanted 373 00:20:03,705 --> 00:20:06,545 Speaker 2: to use it for work, if I wanted to really 374 00:20:06,725 --> 00:20:09,306 Speaker 2: purify it the next time, really use it for work. 375 00:20:09,985 --> 00:20:12,035 Speaker 2: and not to use it to follow friends and all 376 00:20:12,066 --> 00:20:15,096 Speaker 2: those things. Now, obviously to look at what your friend 377 00:20:15,176 --> 00:20:17,595 Speaker 2: is doing is lovely. And then you can see your 378 00:20:17,656 --> 00:20:20,075 Speaker 2: friend and talk about the vacation and ask questions. And 379 00:20:20,196 --> 00:20:22,376 Speaker 2: I do that a lot before I see someone for coffee, 380 00:20:22,396 --> 00:20:24,315 Speaker 2: I'll look at their feed and just kind of, it 381 00:20:24,475 --> 00:20:27,335 Speaker 2: gives me some questions to ask them. But what we 382 00:20:27,396 --> 00:20:29,936 Speaker 2: can do is we'd look through the feed and we 383 00:20:29,975 --> 00:20:33,236 Speaker 2: think we're caught up and we've had zero contact with 384 00:20:33,255 --> 00:20:36,515 Speaker 2: that person. And then just that happens. time after time, 385 00:20:36,676 --> 00:20:38,536 Speaker 2: and then you realize, oh, I know all this stuff 386 00:20:38,606 --> 00:20:41,646 Speaker 2: about you, but I haven't really actually talked with you 387 00:20:41,666 --> 00:20:45,205 Speaker 2: for like a year. So I really admire how you're 388 00:20:45,225 --> 00:20:48,766 Speaker 2: doing it. I think that's really, really good. What are 389 00:20:49,785 --> 00:20:51,586 Speaker 2: you I want to talk about the freedom of this, 390 00:20:51,866 --> 00:20:54,866 Speaker 2: because when we talk about the tech reset, it's what 391 00:20:54,936 --> 00:20:57,285 Speaker 2: we take away, right? It's what we're going to say, hey, 392 00:20:57,636 --> 00:21:00,235 Speaker 2: this is taking and this is negative, we're taking it away. 393 00:21:00,975 --> 00:21:04,676 Speaker 2: But what often gets, you know, it's not talked enough 394 00:21:04,755 --> 00:21:08,076 Speaker 2: about is like, wow, now I have this freedom. Now 395 00:21:08,156 --> 00:21:11,156 Speaker 2: I really do have time for friendships. Now, you know, 396 00:21:11,215 --> 00:21:14,096 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the, you know, you were 397 00:21:14,136 --> 00:21:17,245 Speaker 2: on that podcast with daddy, the Christian dad podcast about 398 00:21:17,285 --> 00:21:18,926 Speaker 2: what he did. Right. And one of the things you 399 00:21:19,005 --> 00:21:21,625 Speaker 2: really talked about was you did this, right. That you 400 00:21:21,745 --> 00:21:24,545 Speaker 2: did not let me get this technology. How has it 401 00:21:24,765 --> 00:21:26,346 Speaker 2: given you more freedom? Let's start there. 402 00:21:27,225 --> 00:21:33,215 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, freedom would in a sense be very opposite 403 00:21:33,455 --> 00:21:38,376 Speaker 3: to the whole idea of being addicted. And I think 404 00:21:38,455 --> 00:21:42,545 Speaker 3: that the greatest thing, addiction problem we have at the 405 00:21:42,606 --> 00:21:47,845 Speaker 3: current moment is addiction to our phones and social media. 406 00:21:48,465 --> 00:21:50,866 Speaker 3: So I think being able to break away from that, 407 00:21:51,705 --> 00:21:59,936 Speaker 3: isn't that definitionally, um, more freeing, right? So for me, 408 00:21:59,955 --> 00:22:04,215 Speaker 3: a big thing was just having the time and the 409 00:22:04,235 --> 00:22:06,696 Speaker 3: brain space to do other things. And then I wasn't 410 00:22:07,275 --> 00:22:12,955 Speaker 3: weighed down. by having this need to compulsively check my 411 00:22:13,035 --> 00:22:16,856 Speaker 3: phone all the time. And for me as a free 412 00:22:16,896 --> 00:22:19,096 Speaker 3: spirit also, that was very important to me that I 413 00:22:19,116 --> 00:22:25,486 Speaker 3: didn't feel the dependency on an object or an app 414 00:22:26,186 --> 00:22:29,705 Speaker 3: or something like that. So that was definitely something very 415 00:22:29,785 --> 00:22:30,466 Speaker 3: important to me. 416 00:22:30,606 --> 00:22:33,365 Speaker 1: Like the algorithm does not rule your life. 417 00:22:33,446 --> 00:22:34,166 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 418 00:22:37,056 --> 00:22:39,676 Speaker 2: And then you have your home for the summer and 419 00:22:39,696 --> 00:22:42,955 Speaker 2: then you're going back to college and you've seen your 420 00:22:43,096 --> 00:22:47,006 Speaker 2: friends from elementary school. You've seen friends from church. You've 421 00:22:47,046 --> 00:22:50,186 Speaker 2: seen friends from high school. So let's just talk a 422 00:22:50,205 --> 00:22:53,305 Speaker 2: little bit more about how friendship in real life, it 423 00:22:53,346 --> 00:22:54,866 Speaker 2: does not require this technology. 424 00:22:55,666 --> 00:22:59,336 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I've been very blessed with 425 00:22:59,515 --> 00:23:03,785 Speaker 3: some relationships that, yeah, I've had since kindergarten and And yeah, 426 00:23:03,806 --> 00:23:06,286 Speaker 3: I'm still close to a lot of friends in high school, 427 00:23:06,826 --> 00:23:10,406 Speaker 3: which is great. And yeah, I think it goes back 428 00:23:10,446 --> 00:23:16,546 Speaker 3: to the whole, um, when you have social media, what 429 00:23:16,566 --> 00:23:21,946 Speaker 3: that really allows is a very easy avenue to shallow relationships. 430 00:23:23,525 --> 00:23:28,476 Speaker 3: And yeah. So I think that deep relationships really come 431 00:23:28,515 --> 00:23:34,265 Speaker 3: from being intentional and normally that doesn't happen. social media 432 00:23:34,306 --> 00:23:38,676 Speaker 3: it definitely can um again there's ways to use it 433 00:23:38,866 --> 00:23:41,715 Speaker 3: that are that are going to be helpful and productive 434 00:23:42,495 --> 00:23:48,436 Speaker 3: and better than others but for me i've just yeah 435 00:23:48,455 --> 00:23:50,655 Speaker 3: something that i really like to do um i heard 436 00:23:50,696 --> 00:23:52,655 Speaker 3: this on a on a podcast once but when you 437 00:23:52,696 --> 00:23:55,676 Speaker 3: think of one of your friends um just text them 438 00:23:56,296 --> 00:23:58,096 Speaker 3: and like let them know that you're thinking about them 439 00:23:58,316 --> 00:24:00,885 Speaker 3: yeah And I really liked that. And I think that 440 00:24:00,926 --> 00:24:03,545 Speaker 3: was really, really sweet and is a great way to 441 00:24:03,586 --> 00:24:05,946 Speaker 3: keep in touch with some people. And it's easy now, 442 00:24:06,146 --> 00:24:09,955 Speaker 3: you know, sending a text or sending a DM, you know? Totally. 443 00:24:09,995 --> 00:24:15,636 Speaker 3: So it's like social media itself, just getting that, adding 444 00:24:15,656 --> 00:24:21,455 Speaker 3: that onto your life does not automatically add connection. But 445 00:24:21,495 --> 00:24:25,846 Speaker 3: just like anything with social media or without, To get 446 00:24:25,906 --> 00:24:28,306 Speaker 3: those deep connections, you just need to be thoughtful and intentional. 447 00:24:28,366 --> 00:24:30,946 Speaker 3: And you can do that with social media or without. 448 00:24:32,346 --> 00:24:34,576 Speaker 2: I think people will listen to you and be like, wow, 449 00:24:34,876 --> 00:24:37,256 Speaker 2: she's so well-spoken. 450 00:24:37,296 --> 00:24:42,136 Speaker 1: Like, oh, she's so articulate. She uses big words, right? 451 00:24:42,356 --> 00:24:44,896 Speaker 1: And people need to know you are a very silly person. 452 00:24:45,576 --> 00:24:47,536 Speaker 1: You're a very goofy person. 453 00:24:48,245 --> 00:24:50,106 Speaker 2: So I want to talk about the fear of God 454 00:24:50,186 --> 00:24:52,666 Speaker 2: because people will say, Oh, that's nice. She was raised 455 00:24:52,686 --> 00:24:55,245 Speaker 2: by these good parents. That's how she turned out so good. 456 00:24:55,426 --> 00:24:57,285 Speaker 2: And you know, there's a little of that, but the 457 00:24:57,346 --> 00:25:01,316 Speaker 2: huge big thing is you fear God, you respect God. 458 00:25:01,416 --> 00:25:04,936 Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about how does that relationship with 459 00:25:04,975 --> 00:25:08,075 Speaker 2: God and the relationship with technology and just how those 460 00:25:08,296 --> 00:25:11,636 Speaker 2: you're the, the way you've had tech has impacted your faith. 461 00:25:12,876 --> 00:25:16,765 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean, definitely something that, It's still a 462 00:25:16,785 --> 00:25:22,886 Speaker 3: work in progress, right? Yeah. For sure. I think a 463 00:25:22,946 --> 00:25:25,545 Speaker 3: big thing when I think about this is just the 464 00:25:25,586 --> 00:25:32,306 Speaker 3: word like stewardship. I believe very strongly that God has 465 00:25:32,346 --> 00:25:36,156 Speaker 3: given me enough time in the day to do exactly 466 00:25:36,196 --> 00:25:38,515 Speaker 3: what I need to do. And if God tells me 467 00:25:38,535 --> 00:25:40,295 Speaker 3: to do something or wants me to do something, he 468 00:25:40,336 --> 00:25:43,386 Speaker 3: will give me enough time to do that. And especially 469 00:25:43,426 --> 00:25:47,845 Speaker 3: in college, life can be very busy. Yes. Very, very busy. 470 00:25:48,326 --> 00:25:54,426 Speaker 3: And for me, when I think of just being on 471 00:25:54,465 --> 00:25:57,795 Speaker 3: my phone a lot or even being on YouTube a 472 00:25:57,796 --> 00:26:00,976 Speaker 3: lot or even watching a lot of movies or TV shows, 473 00:26:01,696 --> 00:26:04,576 Speaker 3: it just goes back to the whole, I've been given 474 00:26:04,816 --> 00:26:06,615 Speaker 3: enough time to do what I really need to be 475 00:26:06,656 --> 00:26:09,735 Speaker 3: done and I don't want to be wasting that time doing... 476 00:26:12,056 --> 00:26:17,035 Speaker 3: something else that where I, where I basically, where I'm 477 00:26:17,056 --> 00:26:20,515 Speaker 3: allotting time that I should be allotting to a different place. 478 00:26:21,495 --> 00:26:23,715 Speaker 3: And I, and I'm not saying I don't want to be, 479 00:26:24,336 --> 00:26:26,636 Speaker 3: I'm not saying that you should never take a break 480 00:26:26,656 --> 00:26:29,086 Speaker 3: or that going on your phone for a little bit is, 481 00:26:29,326 --> 00:26:31,765 Speaker 3: is bad and it's terrible because I mean, I'm a 482 00:26:31,826 --> 00:26:34,826 Speaker 3: big movie person. I love a good movie or show. 483 00:26:34,906 --> 00:26:37,485 Speaker 3: And I don't think that is that sinful or anything. 484 00:26:38,306 --> 00:26:40,105 Speaker 3: I think there's a time and place. But I think 485 00:26:40,126 --> 00:26:45,186 Speaker 3: there's definitely wisdom to putting down the phone and even 486 00:26:45,225 --> 00:26:50,386 Speaker 3: just the noise that it can create and really offering 487 00:26:50,426 --> 00:26:54,965 Speaker 3: up your time to the Lord and more asking what 488 00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:57,505 Speaker 3: He wants you to do with that. Because I think 489 00:26:58,386 --> 00:27:02,066 Speaker 3: if you ask Him, and He's probably not going to say, like, 490 00:27:02,626 --> 00:27:04,116 Speaker 3: go scroll on reels for an hour. No. 491 00:27:08,666 --> 00:27:09,525 Speaker 1: That is really interesting. 492 00:27:09,566 --> 00:27:11,765 Speaker 2: If you go through the day as a teenager, as 493 00:27:11,906 --> 00:27:13,806 Speaker 2: you know, for us parents, if they're saying, Lord. 494 00:27:13,836 --> 00:27:15,115 Speaker 1: What do you want me to do today? 495 00:27:15,715 --> 00:27:19,775 Speaker 2: That's a very different, which is a hard, meaningful question 496 00:27:19,836 --> 00:27:23,205 Speaker 2: versus like, Oh, I'm just going to surf. click through 497 00:27:23,225 --> 00:27:25,646 Speaker 2: this for hours because I actually don't even think I'm 498 00:27:25,686 --> 00:27:28,826 Speaker 2: supposed to do anything today. Like it's a huge difference 499 00:27:28,955 --> 00:27:31,215 Speaker 2: in feeling of meaning. And that's why kids are so 500 00:27:31,275 --> 00:27:34,616 Speaker 2: unhappy because they have no meaning. They're not waking up thinking, Lord, 501 00:27:34,656 --> 00:27:36,396 Speaker 2: what do you want me to do today? They're thinking, Oh, 502 00:27:36,416 --> 00:27:37,796 Speaker 2: how am I going to get through this day? I'll 503 00:27:37,816 --> 00:27:42,336 Speaker 2: just watch this Netflix show. So that's, that's a huge difference. 504 00:27:42,455 --> 00:27:42,636 Speaker 1: Okay. 505 00:27:42,676 --> 00:27:44,696 Speaker 2: I want to end with this because people, I want 506 00:27:44,735 --> 00:27:47,636 Speaker 2: people to understand that with all these things, we are 507 00:27:47,856 --> 00:27:52,205 Speaker 2: against addictive technology because But you are actually pretty much, 508 00:27:52,296 --> 00:27:54,705 Speaker 2: I would describe you as an AI enthusiast. 509 00:27:55,846 --> 00:27:56,366 Speaker 3: Tell me. 510 00:27:56,866 --> 00:27:59,285 Speaker 1: I just want people to see this color of this. 511 00:28:01,056 --> 00:28:01,375 Speaker 3: I don't know. 512 00:28:01,416 --> 00:28:03,955 Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about the excitement you have around 513 00:28:04,495 --> 00:28:05,936 Speaker 1: what is happening in the world right now. 514 00:28:06,755 --> 00:28:14,035 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I'm studying mechanical engineering, and I've definitely described 515 00:28:14,076 --> 00:28:18,485 Speaker 3: myself as a tech optimist, for sure. But this also 516 00:28:18,546 --> 00:28:22,286 Speaker 3: goes back to the media that I'm consuming. So, I 517 00:28:22,626 --> 00:28:26,986 Speaker 3: fully realize that, and I think I do this intentionally, too, 518 00:28:27,066 --> 00:28:30,666 Speaker 3: is I really only consume a lot of media that is... 519 00:28:32,136 --> 00:28:36,095 Speaker 3: protect a lot of like, um, founders, startups that I 520 00:28:36,116 --> 00:28:39,855 Speaker 3: like listening to. And I can tell like my friends 521 00:28:40,096 --> 00:28:42,365 Speaker 3: completely different side of the internet, you know, you can 522 00:28:42,386 --> 00:28:44,865 Speaker 3: really hear what you want to hear. It's so true. 523 00:28:45,146 --> 00:28:48,926 Speaker 3: It's kind of scary. But so I, I realized that 524 00:28:49,026 --> 00:28:51,706 Speaker 3: I am very biased towards this. And when I do 525 00:28:51,746 --> 00:28:56,135 Speaker 3: think of the social ramifications, the potential social ramifications of 526 00:28:56,156 --> 00:28:59,116 Speaker 3: new technology, I mean, you can, you can spiral pretty 527 00:28:59,156 --> 00:29:03,276 Speaker 3: dark pretty quickly. Um, But for me personally, I get 528 00:29:03,316 --> 00:29:09,236 Speaker 3: excited using some of the AI things. I was able 529 00:29:09,276 --> 00:29:13,595 Speaker 3: to automate a few different processes for work, for my 530 00:29:13,656 --> 00:29:16,645 Speaker 3: internship over the summer, and then even for you, Mommy, 531 00:29:17,086 --> 00:29:19,566 Speaker 3: with some stuff on the back end for the podcast 532 00:29:19,646 --> 00:29:22,766 Speaker 3: and graphics and stuff like that. So that stuff excites me. 533 00:29:23,186 --> 00:29:28,186 Speaker 3: I've seen a few Waymos in San Diego, and I 534 00:29:28,226 --> 00:29:32,046 Speaker 3: get very excited at that. about that. I just think 535 00:29:32,106 --> 00:29:32,866 Speaker 3: it's so cool. 536 00:29:34,566 --> 00:29:35,126 Speaker 1: Exactly. 537 00:29:36,206 --> 00:29:38,536 Speaker 2: I wanted people to see that side so that they 538 00:29:38,596 --> 00:29:40,666 Speaker 2: understand like, yeah, I mean, we get it. 539 00:29:40,736 --> 00:29:43,156 Speaker 1: Like this is pretty cool, but this is just not 540 00:29:43,196 --> 00:29:45,776 Speaker 1: for a five-year-old. Let your five-year-old. 541 00:29:45,236 --> 00:29:48,276 Speaker 2: Read because if your five-year-old reads, they will use big 542 00:29:48,296 --> 00:29:49,476 Speaker 2: words like Noelle. 543 00:29:49,216 --> 00:29:52,106 Speaker 1: When they grow up. Noelle, is there anything you want 544 00:29:52,126 --> 00:29:54,946 Speaker 1: to add that we did not, that we were not 545 00:29:54,986 --> 00:29:55,426 Speaker 1: able to say? 546 00:29:55,446 --> 00:30:00,776 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would just want to encourage parents, 547 00:30:00,976 --> 00:30:04,016 Speaker 3: if you're thinking about this, or even if your kid 548 00:30:04,076 --> 00:30:09,565 Speaker 3: is kind of kicking and screaming against you, this is 549 00:30:09,626 --> 00:30:13,946 Speaker 3: something that has a very big impact. And I've seen 550 00:30:14,006 --> 00:30:17,325 Speaker 3: it in the lives of my friends. And I've seen 551 00:30:17,876 --> 00:30:20,896 Speaker 3: just the addictive power that it can hold. And even 552 00:30:20,936 --> 00:30:26,615 Speaker 3: though it may not be potentially evil or whatever you 553 00:30:26,636 --> 00:30:28,656 Speaker 3: want to describe it, a lot of times when I 554 00:30:28,736 --> 00:30:31,496 Speaker 3: ask my friends or just new people that I meet 555 00:30:31,596 --> 00:30:34,456 Speaker 3: if they have any hobbies, stuff like that, stuff they 556 00:30:34,496 --> 00:30:38,216 Speaker 3: like to do for fun, it's like they watch shows 557 00:30:38,316 --> 00:30:42,816 Speaker 3: and go on social media. And that's fine. But there's 558 00:30:42,856 --> 00:30:46,526 Speaker 3: something sad about that also, like a feeling that we 559 00:30:46,546 --> 00:30:49,526 Speaker 3: were maybe created for a little bit more. And I 560 00:30:49,566 --> 00:30:51,766 Speaker 3: think that it's the greatest gift that you could give 561 00:30:51,786 --> 00:30:54,906 Speaker 3: to your child is to be strong in this moment. 562 00:30:55,366 --> 00:30:58,266 Speaker 3: And to say, no, I think at this moment, I 563 00:30:58,746 --> 00:31:01,726 Speaker 3: can see, I can play the movie and see what 564 00:31:01,746 --> 00:31:03,866 Speaker 3: your life is going to be like five, 10 years 565 00:31:03,906 --> 00:31:07,375 Speaker 3: down the road. Yeah. And this is an intentional decision 566 00:31:07,436 --> 00:31:09,876 Speaker 3: I'm going to make. And I'm going to explain to 567 00:31:09,936 --> 00:31:12,056 Speaker 3: you why I'm not going to do this out of 568 00:31:12,116 --> 00:31:17,156 Speaker 3: a place of love and not withholding. I feel like 569 00:31:17,176 --> 00:31:22,906 Speaker 3: that's a very important conversation to have just so your 570 00:31:23,486 --> 00:31:27,046 Speaker 3: kids can really understand where you're coming from. So treat 571 00:31:27,066 --> 00:31:29,206 Speaker 3: them with respect. And I feel like out of that 572 00:31:29,246 --> 00:31:31,646 Speaker 3: respect is why you would come to the conclusion like, no, 573 00:31:31,706 --> 00:31:34,526 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I can't give this to you. Even though... 574 00:31:35,016 --> 00:31:37,976 Speaker 3: you really, really want it. Or even though you're, you 575 00:31:37,996 --> 00:31:39,726 Speaker 3: think you're going to need this to, to make new 576 00:31:39,786 --> 00:31:42,106 Speaker 3: friends and all that, all that stuff, because it will 577 00:31:42,326 --> 00:31:46,966 Speaker 3: add value. There's a misconception like eventually we're going to 578 00:31:47,006 --> 00:31:49,086 Speaker 3: arrive at a point where we have no more problems 579 00:31:49,126 --> 00:31:51,206 Speaker 3: to solve. Like we've checked off all the problems and 580 00:31:51,226 --> 00:31:54,606 Speaker 3: now we're good. And it might feel that way. Or 581 00:31:56,036 --> 00:31:57,756 Speaker 3: it's like, oh, if I just give my kid a phone, 582 00:31:57,816 --> 00:32:00,596 Speaker 3: like all these problems will go away. But I assure you, 583 00:32:00,736 --> 00:32:02,296 Speaker 3: it will only multiply your problems. 584 00:32:02,316 --> 00:32:02,856 Speaker 1: It'll begin. 585 00:32:03,436 --> 00:32:03,836 Speaker 2: It will. 586 00:32:04,076 --> 00:32:06,676 Speaker 3: Yes, the problems will begin anew and there will be many. 587 00:32:06,696 --> 00:32:08,206 Speaker 3: There will be many. 588 00:32:08,706 --> 00:32:11,506 Speaker 1: There will be mega problems. Oh my goodness. 589 00:32:11,546 --> 00:32:15,226 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on the show for, 590 00:32:15,366 --> 00:32:17,986 Speaker 2: for years when Noah was in high school, she was 591 00:32:18,066 --> 00:32:19,146 Speaker 2: editing this podcast. 592 00:32:19,176 --> 00:32:24,336 Speaker 3: So she is intimately familiar with podcast guests. Awesome. 593 00:32:25,716 --> 00:32:29,075 Speaker 1: So friends, as you're listening, please get the book, The 594 00:32:29,136 --> 00:32:30,256 Speaker 1: Great Tech Reset. 595 00:32:30,516 --> 00:32:33,936 Speaker 2: It's really easy. All you have to go is techresetbook.com. 596 00:32:34,036 --> 00:32:35,075 Speaker 2: Get it for free. 597 00:32:35,276 --> 00:32:36,316 Speaker 1: The link will be in the show notes. 598 00:32:36,416 --> 00:32:39,856 Speaker 2: And you will then get the game plan for, okay, 599 00:32:39,916 --> 00:32:42,536 Speaker 2: what's the plan you're going to do so that your 600 00:32:42,616 --> 00:32:46,356 Speaker 2: kids can be ready for adulthood. And that's what we want, 601 00:32:46,396 --> 00:32:49,796 Speaker 2: just to prepare them to become an adult. And not 602 00:32:49,836 --> 00:32:51,566 Speaker 2: only that, but a God-fearing adult. 603 00:32:51,786 --> 00:32:52,125 Speaker 1: Adult. 604 00:32:52,266 --> 00:32:52,866 Speaker 3: Thank you. 605 00:32:53,106 --> 00:32:54,646 Speaker 1: Thank you, Noelle, for being on the show. 606 00:32:55,566 --> 00:32:56,626 Speaker 3: Of course. 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