1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Let's bring up christ to Golf. He is Chris to 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Golf Gall. 3 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 2: I'm joined now by Christigaf. 4 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 3: Most of the Christ of Golf Show, so let's brand 5 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 3: talk radio host Chris Togall. 6 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 4: Also his podcast is a MUSC listen every day Christa 7 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 4: Gall Show podcast. 8 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: And host of the Christa Gall Show. Let's Bring in 9 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: Christa Galla. Welcome Chris Speare Gall to. 10 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 2: Chris to Gall podcast is presented by US Medical Plan 11 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: dot com. Save big money monthly and get better health 12 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: covers at us medical plan dot com. 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 4: Hey there, welcome in to the Wednesday edition of the 14 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 4: Christa Gall Show podcast. I'm away today on super secret 15 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 4: assignment I had. I got a call, very very suddenly 16 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 4: that I did not plan on being away today, but 17 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 4: I didn't want to leave you high and dry with nothing. 18 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 4: So I've got a couple of brief conversations that I 19 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 4: think you'll enjoy. Our weekly conversation with economist Steve Moore. 20 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 4: We'll be speaking with him as well as somebody that 21 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,639 Speaker 4: I admire and respect a great deal. Those of you 22 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 4: who are believers, those of you who are Bible believing Christians, 23 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 4: those of you who attend regular worship. If you were 24 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 4: like me, and you saw what happened last week in 25 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 4: that church in Saint Paul. There are many many more 26 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 4: details about that than we first understood about the leftists 27 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 4: who stormed into that church. And it has had me 28 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 4: in deep thought and prayer and contemplation and conversation with 29 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 4: fellow believers and church leaders about how to think about 30 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 4: this as a Christian, how to deal with it if 31 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 4: it inevitably comes for your church. And I just you know, look, 32 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 4: this is the thing. It's our lot in life as believers. 33 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 4: Persecution and hatred and just virulent stuff is almost a 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: certainty if you are a believer in Jesus. And so 35 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 4: one of the guys that I trust, maybe more than 36 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: anybody else out there, who has some of the most 37 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 4: profound counsel that there is, is someone called Albert Mohler. 38 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: And if you don't know him, he is the president 39 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 4: of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. I've 40 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 4: gotten to know him over the last year as a colleague. 41 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 4: He's on what's own as the Salem editorial Board, our 42 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 4: parent company, so I get to join him weekly in conversation. 43 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 4: But he's a theologian, a world renowned theologian, and he's 44 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 4: somebody I trust a lot on matters like these. So 45 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 4: how do you talk about politics and how do you 46 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 4: keep yourself in check as a believer but still get 47 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 4: engaged and still stand up for what is right. That's 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 4: a conversation that's on the way. 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Steve Moore 79 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: is our buddy and chief economists Committee to Unleash Prosperity. 80 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 4: He has the best seller, The Trump Economic Miracle and 81 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 4: the Plan to Unleash Prosperity Again, which President Trump heartily endorses. 82 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 4: He's going to be talking more about the economy this week, 83 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 4: President Trump will I know he'd like to pivot to 84 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 4: have that conversation, he promises. 85 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: Already, as taxes are. 86 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 4: Being filed and people can get engaged in the tax process. 87 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 4: Earlier this year, Scott Messing continues to say, boy, you 88 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 4: just wait until tax season gets underway in earnest in 89 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 4: return start coming in and the projection for growth this 90 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 4: year is really exciting if it comes to fruition. So 91 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 4: Steve Moore is all about it. He's following it and 92 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 4: joins us again today. Hey Steve O, good morning. 93 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 5: Welcome in, sir, good morning. 94 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 3: Thank you for getting me away from my shoveling this morning, 95 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 3: taking a little break. 96 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 6: Call you. 97 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 4: You're a man of the people. You don't hire people 98 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: to do that. You go out there and do it yourself. 99 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 5: Well, my wife kicked me out. He gets shoveling, so 100 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 5: I've been doing that off. 101 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: Well that's good. How much did you up getting? 102 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: So anyway, how much do you look that? There's a 103 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: lot going on Chris on the economy, and by the way, 104 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 3: I was interested in you know, you're just talking about 105 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 3: healthcare plans and so on. I mean, what we're finding, 106 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: and this is such an important point right now, is 107 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: that Obamacare plans have actually dramatically increased costs. Remember when 108 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: Barack Obama said that this would you know, drive down 109 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: costs and it would be the Affordable Care Act. We're 110 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 3: finding that the price for plans now have doubled to 111 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 3: triple in just fifteen years. 112 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 5: So I am sure that there are a lot of. 113 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: Opportunities for people to be able to shop around and 114 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: find better plans than the government is offering. And I 115 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 3: pray that the Republicans don't cave in and continue to 116 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: expand Obamacare. What this fight is about, Chris and Washington 117 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 3: right now is whether we're going to end up with 118 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 3: the government or on healthcare system. 119 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 5: And you know, you and I've been talking for years. 120 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: I predicted this is exactly what Obamacare was intended to do, 121 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: was just drive the whole system to government control. I 122 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: don't want the government control over my healthcare. I don't 123 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 3: know about you. 124 00:05:52,839 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 4: No, polymarket predicts sovert Fox Business again the betting site. 125 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: They predict an eighty percent likelihood government will shut down 126 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 4: by weeks end. 127 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: What do you say about it? 128 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 5: You know, I hope not. 129 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, we just got this blockbuster report, Chris, 130 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 3: for the fourth quarter. 131 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,799 Speaker 5: You know WHI gendered on December thirty. 132 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 3: First, the economy, by the latest estimates, grew by five 133 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 3: point four percent, which is a blockbuster number. Now, why 134 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: do I bring that up? Because we had one or 135 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,119 Speaker 3: two weeks of that period was have longed. I forget 136 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,559 Speaker 3: two or three weeks where the government was shut down. 137 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 3: So my point is we probably would have had six 138 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 3: percent growth if it had not been for the Schumer shutdown. 139 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 5: So here they go. 140 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: Again, right, I mean, by the way, I want to 141 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 3: make sure your listeners understand this loud and clear. The 142 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 3: Democrats want a shutdown. They want this to happen because 143 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 3: everything is politics to them. 144 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 5: They don't want to make a deal with Trump. 145 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 3: They want to cause chaos and mayhem, just like they've 146 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: caused chaos at Menhem Mayhem and in Minneapolis. This is 147 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: their modus operande as complete chaos because they hate Trump. 148 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,799 Speaker 5: They hate Trump more than they love our country. 149 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 4: And I think they hope they're shut down over what 150 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 4: they're calling DHS funding will continue to feed this storyline 151 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: that they're standing up for the American protester. I don't 152 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 4: know that when you shut the entirety of the government down, 153 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 4: I think you start to lose momentum that they I'll 154 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 4: admit right now. I mean in terms of the public 155 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: relations game they're playing with this dead nurse, even though 156 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 4: I think it's disgusting and dishonest. They know how to 157 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 4: play better than anybody. 158 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: They did it with George. 159 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 4: Floyd and the Black Squares and COVID. They can do 160 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 4: this like nobody can. Democrats are great at it, but 161 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: I think they overplay it if they shut the government 162 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 4: down over it, what do you say? 163 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 3: You know, I hope Americans can see through this fraud. 164 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 3: But I've been in this town in Washington, d C. 165 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 3: For a long time since the early eighties, And so 166 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: the Democrats are betting that, along with their past, the 167 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 3: media they can once again blame this. 168 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 5: Have you noticed whether it's a Republican. 169 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: President, democratic president, Republican congress, a democratic congress, it's always 170 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: the Republican's fault according to the media. And so that's 171 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: what the Democrats are banking on here, that the media 172 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 3: will team up with them and say, oh, that rascal 173 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is shut down the government. Trump wants to 174 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 3: keep the government open, Chris. 175 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 4: He doesn't want to shun any and by the way, 176 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: he wants to enforce laws. He wants people to stay alive. 177 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 4: He doesn't want to get us into wars. All of 178 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 4: the ogre things they say he is. He's the opposite 179 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 4: across the board the Wall Street Journal Steve Moore Trump's 180 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 4: high stakes bid to dole out one hundred billion dollars 181 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 4: more in tax refunds. Republicans and President Trump designed their 182 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 4: tax cuts for this moment, creating a refund bonanza that 183 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 4: will land in americans bank accounts will ahead of the midterms. 184 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 4: I mean, it sounds cynical, but to me, it's just 185 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 4: returning money. I don't It's not really a cynical play. 186 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 4: It's just giving people back the money, right. 187 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: You know, I just literally literally finish reading that story 188 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: right before coming on the show. So I had the 189 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 3: same response to it, gee that they're making it sound 190 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 3: like some kind of cynical political point by truck Esteme. 191 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 3: He's basically saying, you get to keep more of your 192 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: own money. And you know this is if you look, 193 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: there's an interesting chart in that article for people get 194 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 3: the Wall Street Journal. 195 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 5: You can google it this morning, and. 196 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: It shows even even though you have a cynical reporter 197 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 3: against the tax cut, it shows that the vast majority 198 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: of the tax cut, Chris went to the middle class. 199 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 3: The middle class, not rich people, I mean, And so 200 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 3: I'm writing, calm, now, what you know what tax cut 201 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 3: for the rich are they talking about. It is the 202 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 3: average family is going to save about two or three 203 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 3: thousand dollars this year on their taxes thanks to the big, 204 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: beautiful bill. Now, I know, to the millionaire and billionaire 205 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 3: big Democrat funders, that's not a lot of money, But 206 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: for working class people, an extra two grand that counts 207 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: for a lot. 208 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: Listen to this column. Here's a paragraph in it. Rational 209 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: or not. 210 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 4: Many Americans judge the tax system based on refund size 211 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 4: and speed, not their total tax bill or tax rate. 212 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 4: Republicans are leaning into that, though they know that the 213 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 4: biggest economic lift from their policies is likely to be 214 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 4: the long term effect of business tax cuts that lower 215 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 4: the cost of capital. So basically, the Wall Street Journal 216 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 4: saying you're a dope if you're excited about the size 217 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 4: of your tax refund is the. 218 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: Way I read that. 219 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 3: You know, there's some truth, in some untruth to that 220 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 3: statement that you just read. 221 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 5: It is true that, you. 222 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: Know, one of the biggest benefits of that tax bill 223 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 3: was the incentive for businesses to invest in more capital, equipment, machinery, plants, 224 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 3: research and development. 225 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 5: And we're seeing a boom in that. 226 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: We're seeing a boom right now in business spending, which 227 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 3: is a very good thing, Chris, about businesses. You don't 228 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: have jobs, so that's good news. Out the way we 229 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 3: structured that tax bill because as you know or laugh, 230 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: and I wrote the very first version of this many 231 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: many many years ago, is the idea of incentivizing workers 232 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: to work more and to earn higher paychecks because you 233 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: get less taxes withheld from your tax bill. That's just 234 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 3: supply side economics that you know, we want to revenant, 235 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: just send out checks to people. 236 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 5: We want to reward people who are working. 237 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: And that's you know, one hundred and eighty million Americans 238 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: who are working every day and we think they deserve 239 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: a pay raise. 240 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: So sue us. 241 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 4: I've seen some polling on affordability that's been kind of interesting, 242 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 4: and it seems like it's turning a corner depending on 243 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 4: which polls you're reading, that people's impression of affordability across 244 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 4: most categories is improving again, with the one exception being housing. 245 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: That seems to be the one sticky wicket. 246 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 4: Even on groceries and other things, people are starting to say, Okay, yes. 247 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: Things are coming more into line. 248 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 4: I mean they're more expensive, but I think people's wages 249 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 4: are rising and that sort of thing. So this week, 250 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 4: I know the President's going to talk about Trump bonds 251 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 4: one thousand dollars, investments in babies born and that sort 252 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 4: of thing. 253 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 1: Can the how do I say this, Can the economic. 254 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 4: News overcome this tsunami of negative news on ICE. I 255 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 4: mean it's early in the year, so we've got a 256 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: long year ahead before November. 257 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 6: Of course. 258 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, let me if I may, Chris, let me just 259 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: say something about Minneapolis, because I've been one. Look, I 260 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 3: think this president and Tom Homan have done an amazing 261 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,119 Speaker 3: job on immigration. 262 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 5: I'm very promegrand, as you know. 263 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 3: I think immigrants are vital to our country, but they 264 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: have to come in legally. And the first thing that 265 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: Tom Homan and Donald Trump did was they secured the border. 266 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 3: I know you all heard this a million times, but 267 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 3: I'm going to say it again. Illegal crossings are down 268 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 3: ninety three percent, So thank you Donald Trump and bringing 269 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: order back to our border, which as you know, you know, 270 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 3: Biden just said anybody can come in, and we had, 271 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: you know, eight million people come in and now we're 272 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: dealing with that crisis that was created Joe Biden. Now, 273 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: the second thing that happened with respect to the immigration 274 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: policy is that Tom Homan and Donald Trump had a 275 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: very wise strategy, which was that you deport the people 276 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: who are criminal aliens. And Tom Holman has deported we 277 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: don't know the exact number, somewhere near a quarter million 278 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: people who are criminals, felons, people who are gang members, 279 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: people are. 280 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 5: Potential you know, terrorists, et cetera. 281 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: Yes, that's exactly what the American people support. Get rid 282 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: of the people who would harm us. I do have 283 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: some problems with ICE going into these cities, especially if 284 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 3: the city like I don't want. 285 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 5: To overpowering federal government. 286 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 3: And so here's my plan, Chris, let me tell, let 287 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 3: me ask, I really want your opinion on this. 288 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 5: What I support? 289 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: Well do you have? I tell you what can you hold? 290 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: If you could hold life, I'll come back with you. 291 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 4: Okay, hang on, We'll come back and get Steve Moore's 292 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 4: analysis coming up. Thanks buddy, thing on back with our 293 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 4: pal Steve Moore because he had a prescription for President Trump. 294 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 4: I asked, with these protests in Minnesota, can the economic picture, 295 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: can people's economic vetterment change the discussion and change the narrative. 296 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: With a year ago more or less before elections. You 297 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: were about to say, Steve, Yeah, So. 298 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 3: I was just saying that Trump has done an amazing 299 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: job securing the border, and Tom Holman has a great 300 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: job of removing a quarter million criminal aliens from this 301 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: country that could do us harm. What I think has 302 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 3: been a mistake is these kind of mass deportations. I 303 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 3: don't think the American public wants that. If someone's in 304 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: the country and they're working and paying taxes and they 305 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: haven't committed crimes, let's figure out some other policy towards 306 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: those people. And so I believe we should pull the 307 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: ice out of Minneapolis, and the policy should be this 308 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: till the government of Minnesota returns the five to six 309 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: billion dollars Chris that they stole from American taxpayers with 310 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 3: this rampant fraud, until they return that money, not another 311 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 3: single penny if federal money should go to Minnesota. And 312 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 3: I mean, it's outrageous. They encourage the fraud. And this 313 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 3: isn't just happening in Minnesota. We now know what's happening 314 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,359 Speaker 3: in California, we know what's happening in New York. These 315 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 3: liberal cities are gaming the system, encouraging people to fraudulently 316 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: apply for all this money as a way as an 317 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: economic stimulus for their cities and states, and it cannot stand. 318 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 5: So any state that is. 319 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 3: Proven to have committed fraud, as Minnesota, we stop paying 320 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 3: them and they should return that money to the US taxpayers. 321 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 3: It's no different than a criminal coming up to you 322 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: with a gun and taking the money out of your wallet. 323 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: That is what has happened in Minnesota. And so that's 324 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: what that's my policy. 325 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 4: Well, I have heard a number of people say, yeah, 326 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 4: let them have it. If that's the way you want 327 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 4: to play, then Minnesota, we extricate ourselves and you don't 328 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 4: get a single bit of federal law enforcement, federal dollars, nothing. 329 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 4: We just cut you off entirely. That's what they want. 330 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 4: They say, federal government, get out of here. They're all 331 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 4: states rights and autonomous and all that stuff. They do 332 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 4: have terrible voter fraud problems, of course, which which is 333 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 4: a problem that this is happening. 334 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: This is happening, and it's not just Minneapolis, it's our 335 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 3: blue cities across the country. 336 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:38,119 Speaker 5: Look what's happening in New York. Look what's happening in Minnesota. 337 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 3: Look what's happening in Seattle, and I think Americans are gased. 338 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 3: Nobody likes the mayhem, but they created the mayhem. This 339 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: is a point I was making earlier. The whole Democrat 340 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: strategy is to create chaos. 341 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 4: Steve, quickly, just for about thirty seconds, if you were 342 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 4: to if you were to point to one thing this 343 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 4: year economically speaking, that you're betting on, what is it 344 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 4: good or bad? I am betting in twenty twenty six, 345 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 4: before elections in November, X will happen. You're betting on what. 346 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: We're going to have really strong economic growth and consumers 347 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 3: are going to catch up with what's really happening in 348 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 3: this country, which is incomes, a rising faster than inflation. 349 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 3: We're going to have more affordability, and I think people 350 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 3: will really come to appreciate these pro growth, pro America 351 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 3: policies that Trump has put in place. 352 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: Steve Moore is our chief economist. 353 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 4: We check in with him every tomorrow, Right, Chris, I'll 354 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 4: see you may It's a super secret assignment that I 355 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 4: don't know much about. We were just discussing during the break, 356 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 4: But yes, Steve Moore and I will be dispatched on 357 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 4: double super secret assignment. I will talk with you tomorrow 358 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 4: and then Thursday I'll have a full report. So looking 359 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 4: forward to it, my friend. Now, be careful, stay warm 360 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 4: out there. 361 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 5: All right, we'll do my friend, take care. 362 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: See you Okay. That is going to do it for 363 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: us today. 364 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 4: Now, if you want to stay in touch, there are 365 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 4: a couple of ways to do it, and I hope 366 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 4: that you will. Because of this very very sudden, supersecret assignment. 367 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 4: I won't unfortunately have a Hrump society tomorrow, which I'll 368 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 4: see if I can't bang one out, but I've got 369 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 4: some traveling to do today so may not be able 370 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 4: to get to that, but we'll try to have some 371 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 4: podcast availability for you tomorrow. Always you can reach out 372 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 4: to me via email as well as social media. Head 373 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 4: over to Chris Stegall dot com and I'm linked up 374 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 4: there on all of that. Bob Frands will be in 375 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 4: for me tomorrow while we're out on this double supersecret assignment, 376 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 4: and then Thursday, I'm going to have a full report 377 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 4: as well as I think some featured conversations you'll enjoy 378 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 4: if things go the way we think they will. Huge 379 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 4: capital if because we literally don't know, but I'll give 380 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 4: you this tip, this clue. It does have something to 381 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 4: do with what Steve O and I were just discussing. 382 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 4: So I'll be back with some good news, hopefully to 383 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 4: change the discussion a little bit from all of this mayhem, 384 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 4: purposeful distracting mayhem in Minneapolis. 385 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: There are other fish to fry in the country. 386 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 6: Well. 387 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 4: I don't know about you, but losing weight is one 388 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 4: of those things I have been battling my entire life. Hi, 389 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 4: it's Chris Stigall and trying to keep it off once 390 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 4: I've lost it instead of getting it back. 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But you're not going 430 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 4: to know unless you reach out right now and have 431 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 4: the conversation eight seven seven four to one zero forty 432 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 4: three to twenty one, or log onto US Medical Plan 433 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 4: dot com. 434 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 6: You know. 435 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 4: With the events of last week unfolded at City's Church 436 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 4: in Saint Paul, one of the first names I thought 437 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 4: of was someone that I'm really proud to call a 438 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 4: new colleague. 439 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: Since we became a syndicated. 440 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 4: Show here on the Salem Radio Network and the Salem 441 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 4: News Channel, Doctor Albert Molder has been a trusted voice 442 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 4: and part of the Salem Family as our editorial board 443 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: member for many many years preceding my joining the team, 444 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 4: and when I got to know him a little bit 445 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 4: through our weekly conversations in a group. His was the 446 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 4: first name I thought to reach out to when I 447 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 4: saw these events because I respect his perspective on so 448 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 4: many things. If you know his podcast, The Briefing, or 449 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 4: if you've seen him online, probably no one stands before 450 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: a crowd of people and just takes questions theological questions 451 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 4: of any kind directly and answers them more succinctly and 452 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 4: profoundly than doctor Molder. So when he was able to 453 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 4: make some time for us today, I was grateful to 454 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 4: take it. And doctor Moler, I welcome you in sir, 455 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 4: good morning. 456 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 7: Well Chris, it's great to do with you. Thank you 457 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 7: for those kind words. Glad to have the privilege of 458 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 7: working with you. 459 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. 460 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 4: I'm very sincere when I say you're you're a deeply 461 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 4: thoughtful person, and I know you probably. 462 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: Maybe well, I don't know. 463 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 4: I don't know you well enough to say this, but 464 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 4: for me, as a Christian, when I watch events as 465 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 4: they unfolded in that church, I got very emotional. I'll 466 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 4: just be honest with you. I'm maybe too young in 467 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 4: my faith to. 468 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: Know better. 469 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 4: So as a mature guy who's deep in thought, how 470 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: do you watch things like that and not get emotional, 471 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 4: not get angry, and not consider it. You know, maybe 472 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: in your own church, were it to happen to you, 473 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 4: because that's key, isn't it the way in which we 474 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 4: as believers respond to things like that. 475 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 6: No, that's absolutely right. 476 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 7: You know, there's a very interesting statement in scripture that 477 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 7: we are to be angry. 478 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 6: But sin not. So the emotions are not wrong. 479 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 7: They just have to be put in their proper context. 480 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 7: I have a job to do, and I think actually 481 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 7: City's church there in Saint Paul has modeled that very well. 482 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 7: I have a back down a bit from speaking directly 483 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 7: to the invasion of their church, but they're also really clear. 484 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 7: You know, we're here to be the church, part of 485 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 7: the body of the Lord Jesus Christ. We've got a 486 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 7: job to do and we're going to continue to do it. 487 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 7: So I understand the emotions, trust me, and I think 488 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 7: in some cases. 489 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 6: The older we get, the more we feel some of 490 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 6: those things. 491 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 7: But we need to channel that into productive, God honoring energy. 492 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 6: And that's what I hope is happening in this case. 493 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 4: There is always a healthy discussion amongst people of faith, 494 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 4: and I believe it's sincere. To be honest, there are 495 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 4: people Christians who would say that this specific discussion related 496 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 4: to immigration is one that requires compassion, and often then 497 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 4: it accelerates into a discussion of federal law enforcement becomes 498 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 4: heavy handed and cruel, and then you will hear the 499 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 4: great leap, in my view, where people will say extraordinary 500 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 4: things like Jesus would be victimized by ice today were 501 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 4: he alive and here with us, meeting present physically here 502 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 4: with us. He is alive, of course, but you know 503 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 4: what I'm saying, they make that extraordinary comparison. So you 504 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 4: go from having compassion for human beings to Christ and 505 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 4: his family would be mishandled by ice were they here 506 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 4: with us today. So how do you how do you 507 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 4: tackle those issues? 508 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 7: Well, I think with some calm reason is a good 509 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 7: way to Again. So for instance, the situation with Jesus, Mary, 510 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 7: and Joseph fleeing to Egypt, they were not seeking long 511 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 7: term residents. They were seeking relief from an immediate threat. 512 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 7: And I think the vast majority of Americas would be 513 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 7: for a refugee. 514 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 6: Policy that would help in that way. 515 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 7: The American people has shown that with refugees after the 516 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 7: false a of Saigon and the Vietnam War and certain 517 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 7: other things that's been very clear. But that's a very 518 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 7: different thing than mass patterns of long term immigration, where 519 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 7: people are intending against the immigration policies of a nation 520 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 7: to enter it and stay there and presumptively stay there forever. 521 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 7: And so I think the vast majority of Americans don't 522 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 7: think very hard about immigration until they have to, And unfortunately, 523 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 7: our Congress is completely incompetent at dealing with these issues. 524 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 7: But I apologetically will point to the fact that the 525 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 7: Bible also speaks of nations, and I think the existence 526 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 7: of nations is a part of the Divine plan, and 527 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 7: I think respecting nations that means respecting their laws, is 528 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 7: absolutely fundamental. So we need a calm, deliberative discussion here. 529 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 7: But the liberal Protestant line for years, and some Catholics 530 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 7: use this to the liberal Protestant line for years, is 531 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 7: to take Mary and Joseph and and baby Jesus and 532 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 7: say there's a refugee family. That's not a one to 533 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 7: one equivalent. So that's theological sentimentalism that quite frankly, Biblical 534 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 7: Christians need to recognize when they see it. 535 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 4: Doctor Albert Mueller again as president of the Southern Baptist 536 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 4: Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky. He's host of the Briefing 537 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 4: podcast The Briefing. Subscribe to that podcast you won't want 538 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 4: to miss the wisdom from it every week. The subject 539 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 4: of laws, generally they are biblical. You mentioned borders and 540 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 4: countries are biblical. I want to affirm that and confirm 541 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 4: that law enforcement and adhering to the law and the 542 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 4: laws of the land that is biblical. Less thanny, Christians 543 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 4: doubt that, Yes, sir. 544 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 6: That's absolutely right. 545 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 7: And by the way, it's in both Testaments. So in 546 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 7: the Old Testament you have the giving of the law 547 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 7: and that comes with the mechanisms for the enforcement of 548 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 7: the law. And that's very very clear and tied. 549 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 6: To Israel in nation. 550 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 7: In the New test to it, of course, we don't 551 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 7: have a Christian specific nation. We have Christian cent into 552 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 7: all the world. 553 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 6: But we have Christian respect for nations. 554 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 7: And that's why the apostle Paul, by the way, when 555 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 7: his life is on the line, will appeal to the 556 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 7: fact that he is a citizen of Rome. So evidently 557 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 7: that's meaningful. And then in Romans thirteen, the Apostle Paul 558 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 7: will make clear, and the same spirits found throughout. 559 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 6: The New Testament, that Christians are to respect the laws 560 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 6: of the land. 561 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 7: Now, if the laws of the land like was true 562 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 7: and say ancient you know, the ancient world on your 563 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 7: nebugan azer, if that meant that they could not. 564 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 6: Worship the one who live in God, that's the law 565 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 6: they would break. But the righteous laws of order in 566 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 6: a society Christians are to respect. 567 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:52,239 Speaker 4: So carrying a firearm to impede law enforcement in our 568 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 4: Christian view, again, we don't like the loss of life. 569 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 4: We don't celebrate the loss of life. We never say 570 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 4: someone losing their lives had it coming necessarily. But where 571 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 4: do you come down on seeing a renee Good with 572 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 4: her vehicle or this gentleman who brought a firearm and 573 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 4: began to tussle with federal law enforcement. As a Christian, 574 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 4: how do you talk about them? 575 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 7: Well, I think you started to paint the picture there. 576 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 7: We've got to keep painting that picture. Here's what's going 577 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 7: on on the streets to Saint Paul and Minneapolis and 578 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 7: have taken place in other so called sanctuary cities. You 579 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 7: have citizens opposing the lawful actions of a federal law 580 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 7: enforcement agency who with whistles blaring, and with all kinds 581 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 7: of the instruments of protests and in some cases reportedly guns. 582 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 7: I can't personally speak to that, but they are intentionally 583 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 7: massing themselves to warn person sought by the federal government 584 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 7: so that they can escape and to impede the action 585 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 7: of federal agents, who, by the way, by definition, are 586 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 7: not only highly authorized, the highly armed. And that's a 587 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 7: very volatile situation. I think it's insane, and most Americans 588 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 7: should at least understand that the these are masses of 589 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 7: people following the tactics of liberal activism and social activism 590 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 7: going back to the nineteen sixties. You know, I pointed 591 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 7: out the first sanctuary city was Berkeley, California, in nineteen 592 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 7: seventy one. 593 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 6: This has a long history. It's a bad history. It 594 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 6: needs to be called out, doctor Moler. 595 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 4: People who are passionate about politics, I've done it for 596 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 4: a long time in media. You follow it closely and 597 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 4: talk about it too. But you've been at this a 598 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 4: good long time, and I know you're a christ follower first, 599 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 4: that's where your heart is first. I've spent entirely too 600 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 4: much of my life, maybe making news and politics too 601 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 4: much a priority. What do you say to all of 602 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 4: us as believers, where do we place the political dialogue 603 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 4: and the things that give us distress and heartburn and 604 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 4: agitate us and disturb us on social media we watch 605 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 4: cable news and our faith. How do you prioritize those 606 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 4: things and talk about them with people? 607 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 6: Well, Chris is a good question, and I think a 608 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 6: part it has. 609 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 7: To do throughout Christian history with the context in which 610 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 7: Christians are find themselves. So, for instance, Christians under the 611 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 7: conditions of the Roman Empire in the say the second century, 612 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 7: under persecution, that really didn't have any say in the politics. 613 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 6: They didn't have any say in the formation of the culture. 614 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 7: So they sought to be obedient to Christ in preaching 615 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 7: the word, sharing the gospel, raising their children in the 616 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 7: nurture and admonition of the Lord. When you look at 617 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 7: our situation, we have a lot of opportunity for political 618 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 7: input and a representative democracy. We are the government ultimately 619 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 7: in terms of making these decisions, shaping these policies. So 620 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 7: first century Christians were in no position to exercise any 621 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 7: activism on the abortion question. We are, and I think 622 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 7: that falls to our responsibility. But I think what is 623 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 7: common to second century Christians under persecution and the twenty 624 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 7: first century Christians in the United States is that our 625 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 7: first responsibility is to gather ourselves together for the Lord's 626 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 7: day preaching and the ministry of the Word, and to 627 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 7: share the Gospel, and to be involved in evangelism, and 628 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 7: to honor marriage, and to raise our children as a 629 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 7: find in scripture, in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. 630 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 7: And yes, we have a responsibility in politics. I think 631 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 7: in most Gospel churches that set of priorities works out 632 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 7: pretty clearly. 633 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 4: I learn every time he speaks. I learn I listen 634 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 4: eagerly every time, and it's a real thrill and an honor, sincerely, sir, 635 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 4: to spend some time with you weekly on a phone 636 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 4: call where we converse about issues of the day, to 637 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 4: listen to the briefing, to see you on social media. 638 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 4: I hope to actually watch you preach in person one 639 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 4: of these days, doctor Mouler, I really appreciate your time today, sir. 640 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 7: Well, that would be an honor both ways. Chris, I'm 641 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 7: very thankful for you and your voice, and I know 642 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 7: your audiences too. 643 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 6: It's an honor to be with you. 644 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 4: So that's a wrap for another Chris Stagall Show podcast. 645 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 4: Thanks for committing to it listening to it all the 646 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 4: way through. You're a fighter. I like that about you. 647 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 4: Hope you'll leave it a five star review and a 648 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 4: written review. Apple Podcasts, Spotify. We'll see you next time 649 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 4: here on The Christa Gall Show Podcast. 650 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: The Christa Gall Show Podcast