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Speaker 2: You picked the one thing I don't know about sport.

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Speaker 1: Well, but I want to apply that more broadly to life.

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Speaker 1: Was there a point at which you were Life's hit

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Speaker 1: And it's part of it that the Catholic Church, for

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Speaker 2: Because that's quite a good description of how you've managed

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Speaker 2: end up basically just saying she's a trickster figure or

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Speaker 1: When when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, and this is very

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Speaker 1: They become, they become lionized to a degree that anyone

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Speaker 1: And but what I mean is Candace knows this, and

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm simply saying that what I think, I think

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Speaker 2: nothing about the guy right he shot dozens of people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have the Instagram accounts of people who

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Speaker 2: you know, shoplift from publics within twenty minutes. We know nothing, nothing,

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Speaker 2: well nothing about Mandalay Bay. And they didn't even do

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Speaker 2: a good job of giving us a face. And there

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Speaker 2: are things about Charlie Cook's death that do not add

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Speaker 2: up and that are not true. I know for a fact,

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Speaker 2: incontrovertible and unambiguous fact that up until a month after ago,

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Speaker 2: he still hadn't been buried. He may still not have

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Speaker 2: been buried. I don't know that because I haven't checked

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Speaker 2: in on it. But there are weird things going on

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Speaker 2: with that man's death. The manner in which he's being

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Speaker 2: remembered is not the person he was. The wife is

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Speaker 2: a gargoyle, she's a grotesque, she's a peculiarity. She's so awful.

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Speaker 2: She can only be a distraction, should only be there

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Speaker 2: on purpose because she's so dreadful. There's stuff up with it,

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Speaker 2: And thank god we have somebody who's not afraid to

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Speaker 2: say so. When everybody else who has some kind of

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Speaker 2: entanglement with either this administration or turning point rit large

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Speaker 2: because of its outside footprint on the movement or some

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Speaker 2: other you know, periphery or satellite person entity or potted money.

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Speaker 2: Thank god Candice is saying that not up, that doesn't

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Speaker 2: mat up, and that doesn't matter up what's really going on.

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Speaker 2: I'm just filled with the conviction that Candace is in

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Speaker 2: some way anointed because and I don't mean that in

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Speaker 2: the partisan sense, you know what, but I just I

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Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is that that we live

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Speaker 1: What do you make about the Trump movement? The Trump

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Speaker 1: movement which arrived at it seems a rather desperate moment

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Speaker 1: for the country, right when the left had almost gotten well,

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Speaker 1: it's had a pretty good stranglehold on the culture. But

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Speaker 1: an ability to shut down the other side, you begin

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Speaker 1: to feel this sense of helplessness. I mean, all of

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Speaker 1: us did well.

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Speaker 2: I didn't feel helplessness. I felt responsibility. I felt at

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Speaker 2: t two, which is why I went and did something

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Speaker 2: about it and single handedly ended the hysteria about campus

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Speaker 2: rape culture or single handedly killed the wage gap mythology.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of things I did that I was

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Speaker 2: soon to pay for. I didn't feel helpless at all.

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Speaker 2: I felt I felt nobless oblige about it because you know, well,

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Speaker 2: I can definitely do something about that because those people

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Speaker 2: are hopeless. It's not going to be that difficult, you know,

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't. But uh, you have to ask yourself

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Speaker 2: what it was all for. If Trump is going to

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Speaker 2: start new wars in the Middle least, if we're going

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Speaker 2: to be subjected to the the humiliation ritual of Erica Kirk.

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Speaker 2: If you know, as has been the case systematically for

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Speaker 2: ten years, that the Margat movement is going to excommunicate

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Speaker 2: all the people who made it in the first place

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Speaker 2: and who gave it its aviva and its intellectual ballast,

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Speaker 2: you know, And is it that it has done that?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was a much more prominent figure in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen than I am now. There were people in

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Speaker 2: the campaign and said I was one of the seven

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Speaker 2: or eight people who put him in office. I think

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Speaker 2: that's silly, but they were saying it then immediately after

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Speaker 2: the election. As soon as he was in office, they

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Speaker 2: could not keep me further away. New White House interns

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Speaker 2: during Trump's first administration were asked on day one when

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Speaker 2: they got into the combat, are you a fan of

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Speaker 2: Alex Jones or mileyon opus? And if anybody put their

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Speaker 2: hand up, they were escorted off the premises. And just

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Speaker 2: look at what he's done to Marjorie Taylor Green. He's

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Speaker 2: done it over and over and over again. There are

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Speaker 2: no OG's left, There are no Margaret OG's left, only interlopers, avist's,

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Speaker 2: only fakes, frauds and ladders and flatterers, exactly, exactly, there's

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Speaker 2: nobody left who actually made the movement as I was

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Speaker 2: there when he came down the Golden elevator. None of

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Speaker 2: the rest of you were. I was there, and those

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Speaker 2: of us who were there at the beginning, and who

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Speaker 2: created it, who forged it, who gave it its personality.

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Speaker 2: We've been out of circulation for half a decade or more,

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Speaker 2: and now inevitably the administration is lapsing into a kind

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Speaker 2: of slightly more boisterous and clownish Clinton administration. I mean,

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Speaker 2: what are they really doing that different? Uh? You know,

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Speaker 2: I don't think Hillary. I don't think Hillary is like

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Speaker 2: a super woke person. There's no evidence that she's you know,

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Speaker 2: she'd be into trans pronounces. Sure, she would do it

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Speaker 2: for ellectoral advantage if it were a popular rest of it,

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Speaker 2: but she's not. She's not into all that stuff. What

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Speaker 2: is what is Trump doing right now that would be

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Speaker 2: so different? That is that that would be totally alien

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Speaker 2: to to a Clintonian presidency all that much, not really

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Speaker 2: especially economically. So you know, I I don't know what

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Speaker 2: it was all for. I think maybe we just bought

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Speaker 2: ourselves ten.

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Speaker 1: Years well, one way of looking at it is people

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Speaker 1: and so.

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Speaker 2: All very good ones.

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Speaker 1: Well maybe, but nevertheless the point being that Reaganism, you know,

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Speaker 1: you didn't actually if somebody applied for a job in

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Speaker 1: the White House, you didn't have to go ask Reagan

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Speaker 1: because everybody knew what Reaganism was. In fact, when I

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Speaker 1: the questions they asked were are you a Reaganite? Right?

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Speaker 1: And they asked, it is if it was the most

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Speaker 1: obvious thing in the world as to what that is,

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Speaker 2: You imagine now that people would say yes with a

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Speaker 1: Their was.

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Speaker 2: The reason there's no easy answer about what trump Ism

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Speaker 2: beliefs and people that made it, instead it just simply

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Speaker 2: collapse around the person. And we always knew Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: was not a particularly pleasant person. We tolerated it, we

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Speaker 2: found it funny, and we liked it when it was

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Speaker 2: when it was aimed at our enemies. But now that

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Speaker 2: he's rolled over for pick your you choose your conspiracy

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Speaker 2: theory of entrenched interests as to who he's rolled over to.

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Speaker 2: Now he's rolled over and done the same things all

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Speaker 2: the others.

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Speaker 1: Do you know it could it be that he could

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Speaker 1: be that he from the beginning was not quite I

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Speaker 1: mean no New Wars.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he didn't think he was going to win. I

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Speaker 2: was there.

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Speaker 1: He didn't think he was going to think.

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Speaker 2: He didn't think for a second he was going to win.

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Speaker 2: He was stunned and probably devastated that he won.

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Speaker 1: Devastated in what way?

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Speaker 2: Because he wasn't planning for it. He didn't think he

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Speaker 2: was going to and he never thought he'd have to

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Speaker 2: contemplate the reality of it. I see. It was probably

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Speaker 2: the only person at the victory party in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 2: that actually thought he was gonna win. Well, there about

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Speaker 2: three of us, But when you walked in there, it

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Speaker 2: was a silence, ashen faced. It was. It was it

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Speaker 2: was the dead calm of defeat. Everybody had accepted the

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Speaker 2: extraordinary cathedral of fantastical lies that had been construos bit

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Speaker 2: by bit by bit by bit up to finally being

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Speaker 2: able to say ninety eight percent. You know, I didn't

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Speaker 2: believe it for a second, not for a moment, and

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Speaker 2: I was right and everybody else was wrong. But first

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Speaker 2: first administration pointless, and then he concedes an election he

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Speaker 2: won to Biden a week and then the third administration, well,

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Speaker 2: it started well, but very quickly it became apparent that

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Speaker 2: they were good at talking and not quite so good

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Speaker 2: at doing. And they were saying lots of things that

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Speaker 2: were making people go oh amazing, but most of the

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Speaker 2: reality it was being unpicked by the courts, or it

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Speaker 2: was just not happening. And now, of course he has

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Speaker 2: begun another Middle Eastern war, and I'm off the train.

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Speaker 2: I'm done, I'm over it, I'm out, I'm not I'm

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Speaker 2: not doing it anymore. Epstein was bad enough. Epstein you

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Speaker 2: have to understand. It was a Epstein was part of

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Speaker 2: the founding mythology of Margaret. It was one of the

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Speaker 2: central ideological planks. Not necessarily although for most people probably

646
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Speaker 2: the literal claim that we were ruled over by Elie

647
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Speaker 2: international pedophiles, although that does seem to be not too

648
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Speaker 2: far from the truth, but the the idea, the way

649
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Speaker 2: back and put it that Epstein is the key that

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Speaker 2: you know, the key that that that unlocks. There was

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Speaker 2: a there was a there's it was a conviction amongst

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Speaker 2: us all that understanding Epstein's place in the world, him

653
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Speaker 2: and people like him would reveal some layer of reality,

654
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Speaker 2: some underpinning architecture of the world, and we would understand

655
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Speaker 2: why it is that some people always seem to get

656
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Speaker 2: away with things, and why it is that other people

657
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Speaker 2: can't put a foot wrong, and why it is that,

658
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: you know, there seemed to be three four, five different

659
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Speaker 2: tiers of justice depending on where you come from, what

660
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Speaker 2: you believe, and how you behave and and and why

661
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Speaker 2: the world is weird. The world's off. It's a bit peculiar,

662
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Speaker 2: you know, and it has been since I guess since

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Speaker 2: maybe the eighties and nineties, right, that first flush of

664
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Speaker 2: political correctness in the nineties, right, that starts to steal

665
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Speaker 2: the oxygen out of the room from the self confident,

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Speaker 2: the self confidence of the of the of the you know,

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Speaker 2: the economic nineteen eighties kind of right, And then the

668
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Speaker 2: nineties was a very the nineties was a very culturally

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Speaker 2: self confident time. I mean, you know, for me, at

670
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Speaker 2: least at a britpop this spice girls, you know, people

671
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Speaker 2: were happy over here. It was it was we were

672
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Speaker 2: on the verge of racial harmony, fresh Prince of Abrella,

673
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Speaker 2: you know suddenly that it was it was, it was

674
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Speaker 2: whatever you know, uh, and then and then suddenly it

675
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Speaker 2: began to go into retrograde. I think also with the

676
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Speaker 2: O J Verdict too, when America realized when America's like, oh,

677
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Speaker 2: hang on a minute, you don't mind us watching your

678
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Speaker 2: shows and laughing along with you, but but you won't

679
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Speaker 2: convict and obviously guilty guy. Right, things start to go

680
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Speaker 2: wrong in the nineties, right, and and the world's been

681
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: the world's been peculiar since, and the world's been slepping.

682
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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole American public life is built on lies.

683
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Speaker 2: It's built on untruths, It's built on on deceptions, not

684
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Speaker 2: on polite fictions in the manner of previous rulers. Things

685
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Speaker 2: that we all agree to go along with because because

686
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Speaker 2: it's for the common good, or things that we tell

687
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Speaker 2: the lower orders because you know it would be it

688
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Speaker 2: would be so as stress for them to find out otherwise. No, no,

689
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Speaker 2: just just just just widespread, chaotic, unplanned, and ubiquitouslies.

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Speaker 1: So where does that leave us, smiler, Because what it

691
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Speaker 1: seems to me, like.

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Speaker 2: Candace, Candice, Candace Candace. The all we have. All we

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Speaker 2: have is those few people with the courage, even if

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Speaker 2: they're ridiculous people, even if they're wrong, and I don't

695
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: happen to think she's either, even if they're ridiculous, even

696
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: if they're wrong, the people who won't go along with

697
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Speaker 2: it all. My day job is managing UH legal affairs

698
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Speaker 2: and and other matters for another such person, which is

699
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Speaker 2: Kanye West. And yes, and I think perhaps the ungovernerability

700
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Speaker 2: of Black America has produced a disproportionate number of Black

701
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Speaker 2: Americans who are not prepared to go along with it all.

702
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: They've always had a creditable skepticism about vaccines and things

703
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: like that. Turned out they were right every time about

704
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Speaker 2: all of it. And now I think we're seeing more.

705
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Yay Yay really just just burst

706
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Speaker 2: through the final taboo in Western culture and lived to

707
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Speaker 2: tell the tale. He's, you know, performing in La next month.

708
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Speaker 2: You know he's going to be all right. That kind

709
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Speaker 2: of courage is rare, and that kind of courage, for me,

710
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: is one of the only if we are living in

711
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Speaker 2: this epistemological crisis, people who are imperfectly but sincerely fumbling

712
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Speaker 2: their way through the darkness, but with more urgency and

713
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: more energy than the rest of us, and who are

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Speaker 2: managing to find things that the rest of us don't

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Speaker 2: and drawing attention to things that the rest of us

716
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: would not have noticed. They're the only hope we have

717
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Speaker 2: of making it out because one of them is going

718
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Speaker 2: to be right. They're all we have because everybody else

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Speaker 2: is lying.

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Speaker 1: Is it difficult for you to retain even a mordicum

721
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Speaker 1: of patriotism under conditions like this? I mean, the United

722
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Speaker 1: States that you're describing is pretty close to an evil empire.

723
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Speaker 2: Yes, it is, isn't it. I mean, I've got an

724
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Speaker 2: easy get out on British so I can I can

725
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Speaker 2: retreat into my Chintz, into my I can retreat into

726
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Speaker 2: my into my Princess Diana memorabilia and dream of a

727
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 2: dream of a world without Megan Marckle in it. You

728
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: see everything America touches does. Yeah. I used to say

729
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 2: and believe up until very recently, that this was the

730
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: greatest country in the history of human civilization. It probably was,

731
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Speaker 2: but it ain't now. Ah, It's still the best hope

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Speaker 2: that humanity has. But I don't know how we get

733
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Speaker 2: out of the darkness that we're in unless we do

734
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Speaker 2: something that America has never been comfortable doing, and that is,

735
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Speaker 2: you know, America, America as a as A as A

736
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Speaker 2: as A as A as a network of systems. America

737
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: awards not mediocrity exactly, but reliability are regularity, consistency. Right,

738
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Speaker 2: the biggest podcasts are by and large by the most

739
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: consistent performers, not the most interesting, not the funniest, not

740
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Speaker 2: the most brilliant or insightful, not the most literary, not

741
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Speaker 2: the most handsome. They're the people who, if you're turn

742
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: it on, you know exactly what you're gonna get.

743
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 1: It's a reliable product.

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00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 2: Right, It's a reliable product. And and and America is

745
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Speaker 2: as has rewarded that in all ways person and and

746
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: and you know, and and and both both the human

747
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: and the industrial and every you know. But it's going

748
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: to have to start embracing the weirdos, the iconoclasts, the

749
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 2: peculiar people, because I think it when there's there's been

750
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Speaker 2: a there's been a glut of books over the last

751
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: few decades about the problem, and nobody's quite described it correctly,

752
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 2: whether you know the filter bubble or moral panics or whatever.

753
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: It is you know, when when smart people get it

754
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: wrong and all get it wrong in the same way

755
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: at the same time, and in fact seem more susceptible

756
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: to to nonsense than than than everybody else. Will We

757
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: now live in a country owned and operated entirely by

758
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: the people who think they're small, you know, by the

759
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: permanent by the permanent administrative class, right, the teachers, the doctors,

760
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: the lawyers, the people who work in Washington. And they're idiots,

761
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: They're stupid people who don't know anything, who could never

762
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: who could never make a reference to Shakespeare. You know,

763
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: they're still correct themselves because they'll they'll never encounter it.

764
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Speaker 2: They don't know anything, but they are quite quite confident

765
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Speaker 2: in their own brilliance and moral uh and more righteousness.

766
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 2: And it's the right, it's the left, it's everywhere, and

767
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: that's cultifying sort of, you know. And the dieing, eternally

768
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: grinning face of the of the administrative class. It is

769
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: killing the country. It's killing the country. And I think,

770
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: you know, I easy for me to say support the iconoclasts,

771
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 2: because where would I be otherwise? But I actually left

772
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: a continent that does quite a good job of accommodating

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Speaker 2: eccentrics true too, especially Britain of all places, to a

774
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: country that doesn't handle them so well and hasn't handled

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Speaker 2: me well, because this is the only place really that

776
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 2: matters in in you know, in that in that way,

777
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: and I'm just I'm very relieved to see the contours

778
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: of the battle lines as they're being drawn. And I

779
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: always winced when they put you on the wrong side,

780
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: because I know you're secretly one of us, but they

781
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: always put you with the with the Dave Rubens and

782
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: the and the Ben Shapiros and the and the turning points.

783
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: And I'm like, no, no of us.

784
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Speaker 1: Remember I'm one of the founders of Darkness Review.

785
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm aware of that. But but you know, I've learned,

786
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 2: I've learned, I've learned forgiveness, charity. No. Look, what makes

787
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: you unusual and distinctive and interesting is that ten twenty

788
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 2: thirty is later, you're still listening, which is not usual

789
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: for people of your generation. It's not usual either for

790
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: people of your accomplishments. Consider the manner in which Bill

791
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: Crystal has switched off, you know, for quite some time now,

792
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: he's no longer capable of contributing to the national politics

793
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: he's not listening anymore because he's he's perfectly happy to

794
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: be the last guy standing, you know, and and you're

795
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: not quite like that, which is why one of us.

796
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 2: And also also because everyone else on your side is

797
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: fucking boring, absolutely unbearable. I mean, do you really want

798
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 2: to spend the rest of your life with Dave Rubin?

799
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: Of course you don't, you know, you want to be

800
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 2: over here with with with Candice and Milo and even

801
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 2: Andrew Tate. You know, of course you do. Of course

802
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: you do, so does everybody, So does everybody. But the

803
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 2: way that the battle lines have been drawn, and you'll

804
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 2: occasionally see, you know, infographics going around of you know,

805
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: sort of the goodies and the bad eats on the

806
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: on the right these days, that gives me a little hope,

807
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: because there's really nobody above the there's nobody above the

808
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 2: socially acceptable line that anybody wants to listen to more

809
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: than fifteen minutes, And there's a sort of and none

810
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 2: of them have had anything, you need to say for

811
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Speaker 2: about twenty years, and and then and they don't have listeners,

812
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: and they don't have they don't have joy. They're not

813
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 2: happy people. They're not happy people. They're miserable people. They're

814
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: they're they're they're frantic and desperate. And you know, you

815
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: see it in that, you see in Turning Point, you

816
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 2: see in Erica. You see it, you know, starting to

817
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: you're starting to see the first signs of it in

818
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 2: this administration. People just clinging to sinecures, you know, because

819
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: that's what they have now. But there are people trying

820
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: to build things and do things and think of things

821
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Speaker 2: and come up with stuff and found things in the

822
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Speaker 2: very messy, imperfect, sometimes ridiculous, often wrong, dissident half, which

823
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Speaker 2: is where all the people of good and noble character

824
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Speaker 2: live because there's nowhere else for them now.

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Speaker 1: I well, thank you very much. If you're sixty four

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Speaker 1: or older, here's an inflation report you don't hear about,

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