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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to Charlie Kirkshaw. We are joined
Speaker 3: by Oscar Ramirez. He's a real America's Voice border correspondent,
Speaker 3: and with everything that happened over the weekend with Elmencho,
Speaker 3: we wanted to have on the ground reporting. So Oscar,
Speaker 3: welcome to the show. Tell us where are you or
Speaker 3: if you can tell us roundabouts where you are and
Speaker 3: where is some of the worst violence happening and is
Speaker 3: it still happening.
Speaker 4: Well after the assassination and the execution of a Namessio
Speaker 4: Sea Elmencho, the violence started escalating in the parts the
Speaker 4: tourist areas and the part of Porto a Yata, and
Speaker 4: escalated to the parts that they have enormous control, that
Speaker 4: is Micho Khan, in the parts of Gerro and also
Speaker 4: in Jalisco. But this perplex and it just caused a
Speaker 4: domino effect and it started happening in the north borders,
Speaker 4: in cities like the one other we are located. What
Speaker 4: you know, they started doing narco blockades, burning cars, burning
Speaker 4: businesses to send a message to the government and to
Speaker 4: tell them that we have presence on these particular neighborhoods
Speaker 4: or tourists areas and that we are going to terrorize
Speaker 4: the citizens and to let them know that they are
Speaker 4: critically hurt because the head of the snake was completely eliminated.
Speaker 4: At this particular moment, they started doing this in the
Speaker 4: part of the Ijuana, you know, burning cars, burning businesses.
Speaker 4: Until now yesterday we were reporting on the ground more
Speaker 4: than twenty two incidents happened. Well, it means incidents between
Speaker 4: vehicles and also businesses that were burned. Sending the message
Speaker 4: strongly to the government of Mexico to tell them we
Speaker 4: have a lot of presence on these particular estates in
Speaker 4: the whole country and the whole territory. Now a thing
Speaker 4: that is extremely important. Just just today breaking news. The
Speaker 4: head of the military and the head of the Department
Speaker 4: of Defence in Mexico just made out a statement and
Speaker 4: an interview said that this was a clear collaboration with
Speaker 4: the United States of America in regards to the United
Speaker 4: States probid in the intelligence to do the execution by
Speaker 4: the federal government of Nemesio. Osegera elemento the violence right now,
Speaker 4: it is it was increasing last night here in the
Speaker 4: city of Iguana, that is connected to San Diego. There
Speaker 4: was still burning of vehicles continuously in several areas. But
Speaker 4: until now schools have been off limits. Now they closed
Speaker 4: the schools. They's closed, the educational systems of elementary junior
Speaker 4: high schools, high schools, and colleges. Businesses are closed for
Speaker 4: security reasons. Off the citizens. There has been multiple threats
Speaker 4: on social media groups by you know these uh you know,
Speaker 4: particularly pages that they are incohoods with the organized crime
Speaker 4: telling the population that they're going to start shooting civilians
Speaker 4: after ten o'clock at night. Is they're still walking. It
Speaker 4: is a huge national security threat. I you know, I
Speaker 4: did a video on a report on a vehicle that
Speaker 4: it was burned just steps away from the border from
Speaker 4: the border wall. This tells you the level of audacity
Speaker 4: of the cartel. And they burned that vehicle in front
Speaker 4: of a post on the territory the America Torytory this
Speaker 4: post that it has a huge camera from the US
Speaker 4: customs that basically tells you that they did it on purpose,
Speaker 4: just to tell the American government, we know that you
Speaker 4: provided the information for our leader to be executed. So
Speaker 4: on this moment, the federal government has release statements that
Speaker 4: they will provide the security that it needs to be
Speaker 4: provided for tourists and also deployment of more military to
Speaker 4: the whole content to the whole country of Mexico.
Speaker 3: I have a bunch of questions here. As far as
Speaker 3: we're the CJGN cartel, the cartel HELICSCO New Generation, how
Speaker 3: where does it rank in terms of the most violent,
Speaker 3: most powerful cartels in Mexico?
Speaker 4: That is the number one right now? The Meso Sagea
Speaker 4: Elemento was one of the most violent ones and atrocious
Speaker 4: ones that clearly he sent a message to the population
Speaker 4: into the world of decapitations as member and bodies. And
Speaker 4: he's the one that is basically pointed out to the
Speaker 4: multiple hundreds of thousands of mask grids that they have
Speaker 4: been found in our country of Mexical, missing people, extraction
Speaker 4: of organs, in all this atrocious acts towards women in
Speaker 4: the country.
Speaker 5: Oscar, I think that's really baffling me. So twenty five
Speaker 5: members of the National Guard killed obvious mayhem throughout the country.
Speaker 5: I'm reading the La Times this morning. Mexican President Claudie
Speaker 5: Scheinbam insists country is at peace and remains calm after
Speaker 5: what's going on. What's her attitude towards all of this.
Speaker 5: It seems like she strikes a very strange tone with
Speaker 5: her remarks, and I guess the follow up is what's next.
Speaker 5: Is this a spasm of violence or is this going
Speaker 5: to turn into a wider I don't know what else
Speaker 5: to say besides war.
Speaker 4: Well, the Mexican people that we have common sense, and
Speaker 4: there's millions of us. We know who perpetrate it, and
Speaker 4: who did this mission and who initiated this mission, and
Speaker 4: it was the American intelligence. If it wasn't for the
Speaker 4: Trump administration, this that just happened would have been done.
Speaker 4: And all of this that has happened happening in the
Speaker 4: country of Mexical with the dismantling laboratories, the extraction of
Speaker 4: criminal leader and leaders of cartels and being extracted to
Speaker 4: the United States of America, you know, the execution of
Speaker 4: Nemesio Sageta and Manchel. All of this wouldn't be happening. Now.
Speaker 4: The Mexican president she has an agenda and is a leftist,
Speaker 4: socialist agenda, and she needs to pander through her audience
Speaker 4: to say, we are not letting the green goo, We're
Speaker 4: not letting the white man to come and invade and
Speaker 4: intervene in our country. But we are collaborating so and
Speaker 4: so and quote unquote, we're collaborating with the American government
Speaker 4: for them to provide information and for us to execute
Speaker 4: That is how she's maneuvering this. And of course she's
Speaker 4: saying that this all this mission was executed by the
Speaker 4: federal government, but now she's obligated to say that the
Speaker 4: American government are providing the information. This is history, guys.
Speaker 4: Nobody in history in the United States of America has
Speaker 4: had the more extraction of information that the Trump administration
Speaker 4: has right now. And why do I say that they
Speaker 4: have it? Chapuu'sman, they have it, Mayozabada, they had Nico
Speaker 4: Lasama Duro, all the extraction of information of how Mexico
Speaker 4: works and how corrupt all these dirty politicians that they're
Speaker 4: located in this in Congress in Mexico. So the Trump
Speaker 4: administration basically knows the ins and outs of the government
Speaker 4: and they need to bend a knee when the Trump
Speaker 4: administration says we're going in as we're going in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So my question is, Oscar is does this signal a
Speaker 3: change of policy in Mexico?
Speaker 6: Is this is this a turning point?
Speaker 3: Or is Claude Scheinbaum doing this kicking and screaming And
Speaker 3: this is kind of going to be a one and done.
Speaker 6: What's your prediction, Well.
Speaker 4: The Mexican people are going to demand more now if
Speaker 4: they have the capacity to execute the mesticio sageta. I'll
Speaker 4: mention why you're not going through several states and controlling
Speaker 4: these things that they're biling the and critically controlled by
Speaker 4: the organized crime and the cart So basically, what the
Speaker 4: pressure of the American government it is doing right now
Speaker 4: to Mexico is for the Mexican people to demand more
Speaker 4: from the Mexican government for them to execute this mission.
Speaker 4: If you were precise, and if you you know, we
Speaker 4: lost some good ones, we lost some military men on
Speaker 4: this mission. But if you went over there and you
Speaker 4: executed the mission, why you're not doing that on every state.
Speaker 4: So it's going to have an effect on the Senators,
Speaker 4: on the opposition, on the Conservatives, on the Christians, on
Speaker 4: the Christian you know senators and Christian uh you know, Congressman,
Speaker 4: that they are in our country to demand more from
Speaker 4: the opposition.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, Oscar, that's my question. Because the cartel is
Speaker 3: so interwoven with just basic businesses and the hotels and
Speaker 3: there's this it's hard to draw a line between official
Speaker 3: government business and cartels right, and will the people demand this?
Speaker 3: Will the you know, is there popular support for more
Speaker 3: action against the cartels and will is there enough will
Speaker 3: within the official government structure of Mexico.
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, and it is happening right now. And also
Speaker 4: what the Trump administration has done is that the hit
Speaker 4: they have given the courage to senators on the opposition
Speaker 4: and on the right of Mexico to go and basically
Speaker 4: on Congress and on the Senate and expose the left
Speaker 4: wing political party and say you're corrupt, you're involved with
Speaker 4: the organized crime that Caratel. You know, one of the
Speaker 4: things that got viciously exposed is how this criminal organization
Speaker 4: has so much control over states and how they have
Speaker 4: the audacity to terrorize the citizens and they're still doing
Speaker 4: it until this point. So it's basically exposing the you know,
Speaker 4: the weaknesses of our government, and the Mexican people know
Speaker 4: that right now at this moment.
Speaker 6: So do you predict more violence in the days and
Speaker 6: weeks to come.
Speaker 4: I will not recommend American citizens to travel right now
Speaker 4: to several spots and several tourist spots. You know, it
Speaker 4: is it's kind of agitated and let just sink in
Speaker 4: for the next couple of days over the federal government
Speaker 4: to have more control over really rule and difficult in
Speaker 4: tough neighborhoods. I believe that it's going to escalate a
Speaker 4: little bit. Inner wars are going to happen, and let's
Speaker 4: see who takes charts of this criminal organization. That that
Speaker 4: is going to be the next step of how they're
Speaker 4: going to fight among each other for territory.
Speaker 3: Oscar Ramirez Rabs Border correspondent in Mexico right now. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much, Oscar, appreciate it. We'll have you back
Speaker 3: on as this story develops. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much for the imitation.
Speaker 3: Guys, Absolutely Blake, you had one final thought and I
Speaker 3: I just really important.
Speaker 5: I just want to close the book on the on
Speaker 5: the cartel thing. What was so insane is just the
Speaker 5: visual of literal cartel members. They're standing, they're wearing uniforms
Speaker 5: with their cars. They have armored cars, armed.
Speaker 6: Via rocket launcher, heavy heavy.
Speaker 5: Machinery, heavy weaponry, and all I can think is, this
Speaker 5: is a country that borders the United States, and we've
Speaker 5: had thirty years plus of lots of adventures in the
Speaker 5: Middle East where we're often chasing people armed up just
Speaker 5: like that. But they're on at least the other side
Speaker 5: of the planet. They can't send rocket launchers super easily
Speaker 5: to the United States, but.
Speaker 6: You know who can the cartels. And we see with them.
Speaker 5: Launching this, for lack of a better term, this insurgency
Speaker 5: where they're taking over huge chunks of central Mexico in
Speaker 5: demonstration of their leader being killed, killing dozens of Mexican
Speaker 5: National Guard. It just almost actually strikes me as insane
Speaker 5: that we've had so many wars on the other side
Speaker 5: of the planet and yet we haven't just said, Okay,
Speaker 5: actually we're going to drone strike anyone, like every armored
Speaker 5: vehicle that belongs to a cartel, blow it up.
Speaker 6: It's just gonna get totally period and trying to play nice.
Speaker 5: When Mexico wants to help us, that's great, but if
Speaker 5: they don't want to help us, we're going to do
Speaker 5: it anyway, because it's not acceptable for there to be
Speaker 5: a totally agree gangster actor in a neighboring country that
Speaker 5: has armored personnel carriers.
Speaker 3: Totally agree all right, well said needed to be said so,
Speaker 3: and Charlie, by the way, totally agreed with that.
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Speaker 6: gotta play a couple of clips for you. Three thirty nine.
Speaker 5: Young black kids growing up in the Bronx who don't
Speaker 5: even know what the word a computer is.
Speaker 7: They don't know, they don't know these things.
Speaker 6: Three forty six.
Speaker 8: And the other thing we should do is you should
Speaker 8: challenge these students. We should challenge students in these schools
Speaker 8: to have advanced placement programs.
Speaker 2: In these schools. We have this notion that.
Speaker 8: Somehow, if you're poor, you cannot do it. Poor kids
Speaker 8: are just as bright and just as talent as white kids.
Speaker 6: Two fifty The new one.
Speaker 7: I'm not you know, I'm not trying to impress you.
Speaker 7: I'm just trying to impress upon you. I'm like you,
Speaker 7: I'm no better than you. You know, I'm a nine
Speaker 7: sixty Sat guy.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 6: And you know, and.
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to offend anyone, you know, trying to
Speaker 7: act all there. If you've got nine forty, but literally
Speaker 7: a nine sixty, Sat guy, I cannot you you've never
Speaker 7: seen me read a speech, because I cannot read a speech.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 3: So Gavin Newsom's trying to butt up to the black
Speaker 3: community by saying I'm dumb too.
Speaker 6: I can't I can't read. This is okay.
Speaker 3: This man's gonna run for president in twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 3: and I want them to run this this moment on
Speaker 3: repeat on the ad. This is the bigotry of low
Speaker 3: expectations in living color. I've never seen such a clear
Speaker 3: example of that other than the two other clips that
Speaker 3: I played before.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's so many more.
Speaker 5: I remember Hillary Clinton when she was running for president,
Speaker 5: she did an appearance in New York and then she
Speaker 5: showed up, No, it's the one she showed up and
Speaker 5: she said she was on CPT and then they said
Speaker 5: it was cautious politician time. But that's obviously it's like,
Speaker 5: it's very wild. And all I can think of is,
Speaker 5: this is a real study from twenty nineteen. Do you
Speaker 5: know about this the Yale study. Yale did a study
Speaker 5: of how like the vocabulary that white liberals use and
Speaker 5: what they found is, Yeah, white liberals, when they're talking
Speaker 5: to black people, they will actually deliberately code switch their vocabulary.
Speaker 5: They will basically act like they're talking to children.
Speaker 6: They'll get an accent.
Speaker 5: And they noticed that white conservaives did not do this,
Speaker 5: They just did not change.
Speaker 3: Nope, as we expect the same out of everybody. It
Speaker 3: is literally the most racist comment in the way. And
Speaker 3: then you add on top of all of this that
Speaker 3: they don't think black people are smart enough to get id.
Speaker 3: It is quite literally the most racist crap that you
Speaker 3: will ever hear coming out of the mouths of Democrats.
Speaker 3: And they're pandering to them to win their votes by
Speaker 3: telling them they're dumb, and yet most of them will
Speaker 3: still vote for Democrats. And that's the baffling part of
Speaker 3: all this. Here's Charlie reflecting on his time with Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 3: Remember Charlie went on Gavin Newsom's podcast, was the first
Speaker 3: guest made Lots of News three fifty three.
Speaker 1: He is the fakest person I think I've ever met
Speaker 1: in my entire life, so synthetic and honestly, that's very dangerous,
Speaker 1: like incredibly dangerous. Like he's the type of person that
Speaker 1: could just like scare Oh yeah, I voted for Trump
Speaker 1: and just like pass a lie detector test. That is
Speaker 1: very very dangt you know, just comp stone cold, just
Speaker 1: like no inhibitions whatsoever when it comes the deceit or
Speaker 1: lying or misleading.
Speaker 3: So Blake, you and I were with Charlie when he
Speaker 3: went to that podcast when you interview, or when he
Speaker 3: went on Gavin Newsom's podcast, and I'll never forget. We
Speaker 3: were driving away and I go, what was your impression
Speaker 3: and he goes, Man, that guy wants to be president.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he always has.
Speaker 5: It's really it's really glaring, and it's it's really disturbing
Speaker 5: because I've got to say, as much as we make
Speaker 5: fun of him here, as much as we made fun
Speaker 5: another time.
Speaker 6: He deserves it.
Speaker 5: You and he deserves it. I don't think you can
Speaker 5: escape that feeling like it could happen. This is this
Speaker 5: is the dark future of America. Is one hundred percent
Speaker 5: that Gavin Newsom could run, be slick enough, have the
Speaker 5: right looks, say the right things, and everyone will just
Speaker 5: sort of get behind it. It's like he's the politician
Speaker 5: utterly without qualities. He hasn't been a great governor of
Speaker 5: his state that by any objective measure, it's been a catastrophe.
Speaker 6: He big.
Speaker 5: He has big headline disasters like burning down a big
Speaker 5: chunk of Los Angeles, and then he has the data
Speaker 5: driven disasters.
Speaker 6: Businesses leave, people leave.
Speaker 5: His state is entirely dependent on endless immigration inflow to
Speaker 5: from foreign completely from foreign countries to not completely implode,
Speaker 5: and they're having you know, they're driving out every billionaire
Speaker 5: because they have this wealth confiscation. News says he's going
Speaker 5: to vat say that, but yeah, but they can't. Well
Speaker 5: that was I think it's a vote amendment. I don't
Speaker 5: think he can block it.
Speaker 6: If they's he's promised to veto it, we'll see what
Speaker 6: he does.
Speaker 5: But on top and on top of that, they have
Speaker 5: every other problem in the world, and so.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's but he could win. Well, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I got asked to write a piece and I forgot
Speaker 3: to tweet it out, actually, but I got asked to
Speaker 3: write a piece for the California Post, which is like
Speaker 3: the New York Post, but for the West coast. It
Speaker 3: was about Charlie what he thought about California, and Charlie
Speaker 3: loved California, loved how.
Speaker 6: Beautiful it was.
Speaker 3: But he would always when you lay in there, he goes, Man,
Speaker 3: what a beautiful state. It's a shame what they've done
Speaker 3: to it. Every time, that was his first, first first thought,
Speaker 3: his first comment. And you know, Gavin Newsom is just
Speaker 3: the living embodiment of what incompetent leadership looks like.
Speaker 5: The Democrat plan in twenty twenty eight is to run
Speaker 5: on making America California, and it's it's going to be
Speaker 5: very shameful if we can't beat that pitch.
Speaker 3: I am so excited for our next guest. He's a
Speaker 3: man that needs no introduction to this audience, but I
Speaker 3: will say it anyways. Dennis Prager is one of the
Speaker 3: most respected and influential thinkers, writers, and speakers in America.
Speaker 3: He's a nationally syndicated talk show host. He is the
Speaker 3: founder of Prager University, and is a New York Times
Speaker 3: bestselling author of nine books. And he's a man who's
Speaker 3: been through a lot. But most importantly to this audience,
Speaker 3: as you all know, he was a dear friend and
Speaker 3: mentor to Charlie Kirk and Dennis welcome back to the
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk Show. It is an indescribable honor to have you.
Speaker 2: Oh, I, I'm delighted to be with you. I'm delighted
Speaker 2: to be with you because you're you, because it's TPUSA,
Speaker 2: and because I'm delighted to be able to speak be
Speaker 2: perfectly honest. For those who don't know, I had a
Speaker 2: catastrophic fall in my home on November twelfth of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, which left me paralyzed from the shoulders down
Speaker 2: and not breathing without a ventilator and not speaking. And
Speaker 2: here I am having an interview with you, so you
Speaker 2: can imagine for all those reasons. And finally, I just
Speaker 2: might note when I watched the funeral service and other
Speaker 2: memorial services for Charlie and I heard all these people
Speaker 2: describe themselves as Charlie's closest friends. I I thought it
Speaker 2: was a great credit to Charlie. Like kids who think,
Speaker 2: you know, they have five kids and each one thinks
Speaker 2: that they are the parent's favorite. The parents did a
Speaker 2: good job, Charlie did a good job. But I would
Speaker 2: just like to remind everybody, or maybe they didn't even
Speaker 2: know it, so remind might not be the actual verb,
Speaker 2: and that is that his last book on Shabbat, on
Speaker 2: taking a day in the name of God up there
Speaker 2: to stop in the name of God by honoring the
Speaker 2: Sabbath will transform your life, was dedicated to me, Charlie,
Speaker 2: a beautiful dedication. Charlie called me, I would say almost
Speaker 2: every week for at least five or eight years, and
Speaker 2: he he would call after listening to another tape of
Speaker 2: mine on the Torah, the first five books of the
Speaker 2: Bible with questions, and the whole idea of Shabbat came
Speaker 2: from our interactions. So you know, I'm supposed to promote
Speaker 2: my book, but there I am promoting Charlie's book.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a beautiful, beautiful testament to your guys's friendship.
Speaker 3: You shared a deep, deep bond, and we are going
Speaker 3: to get to your book, which is titled If there
Speaker 3: Is No God?
Speaker 6: The battle over who defines good and Evil?
Speaker 3: And the fact that you're even coming out with a book, Dennis,
Speaker 3: is a miracle and a testament to your character and
Speaker 3: your fortitude and your strength of will.
Speaker 6: But I want to read Erica Kirk's endorsement of the book.
Speaker 3: I think it's just so beautiful and It's a bit long,
Speaker 3: but I'm going to.
Speaker 6: Do it, he says.
Speaker 3: This book is a treasure to me. Dennis was more
Speaker 3: than a mentor to my husband Charlie. He was a
Speaker 3: dear friend and one of the few voices who played
Speaker 3: a role in encouraging Charlie's moral courage. The two of
Speaker 3: them shared a rare bond, blessed by countless conversations about faith, morality,
Speaker 3: and what it means to live with conviction in a
Speaker 3: world that has lost its compass. Reading If there is
Speaker 3: No God feels like sitting at the table with both
Speaker 3: of them again. It carries forward the very message that
Speaker 3: both Dennis and Charlie lived and Charlie died believing that
Speaker 3: without God there can be no good and without truth
Speaker 3: there can be no freedom.
Speaker 6: She's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it meant the great deal to me that she
Speaker 2: would write such a thing in the midst of her
Speaker 2: grief and her battling people who want to destroy TPUSA.
Speaker 2: I have never encountered something like this effort to hurt
Speaker 2: a beautiful institution from people who supposedly are on our side.
Speaker 2: It's it's I don't know if it's unprecedented, but I
Speaker 2: can't think of a precedent.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I always tell people what God is unleashed,
Speaker 3: man cannot stop. And so we walk in great faith
Speaker 3: and great courage. And the movement is expanding, it's growing.
Speaker 3: Charlie's legacy looms large. I can tell you here at HQ,
Speaker 3: but at all the chapters, Dennis, that are exploding. It's
Speaker 3: not just you know, we're opening fifty new chapters a day,
Speaker 3: but it's they're not just two or three kids. We're
Speaker 3: talking ten, fifteen, twenty, fifty kids, one hundred kids. Some
Speaker 3: of these chapters are thousands of students large now because
Speaker 3: of the life and the legacy that Charlie left behind,
Speaker 3: and you are a huge part of that, Dennis. And
Speaker 3: one of your most famous questions, which relates to your book,
Speaker 3: of course, is the it's a famous one from your
Speaker 3: days on the radio. If your beloved dog and a
Speaker 3: stranger drowning, who do you say first? This became an
Speaker 3: incredibly famous question. It's also sort of a starting point
Speaker 3: for this book.
Speaker 6: Please explain that's right.
Speaker 2: I've actually been asking this question for fifty years. Fifty years,
Speaker 2: and the results have been the same throughout those fifty years.
Speaker 2: I would ask school students or college students. If they
Speaker 2: loved their dogs, which everybody who has one does, and
Speaker 2: a stranger were drowning and their dog were drowning, what
Speaker 2: would they try to say first? I know that they
Speaker 2: would all love to save both and so on, but
Speaker 2: they have to try to save one first. And virtually
Speaker 2: every instance cut across economic, racial, religious lines. In virtually
Speaker 2: every instance, one third of the group said they would
Speaker 2: save the stranger, one third said the dog, and one
Speaker 2: third didn't know what they would do. Two thirds of
Speaker 2: Americans over half a century would not save, would not save,
Speaker 2: would not say that they would save the stranger. And
Speaker 2: that led me to the the whole supposition of the
Speaker 2: book that what they were doing is substituting emotions for values.
Speaker 2: I love my dog is an emotion. Humans are created
Speaker 2: in God's image, is of value. That's why I would
Speaker 2: save a stranger before my beloved dogs. My wife really
Speaker 2: loves our dogs. I only love them, she really loves them,
Speaker 2: and she would save a stranger first because she believes
Speaker 2: that people are created in God's image and animals are not.
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Speaker 6: I really want to drive home.
Speaker 5: For anyone who is a more recent listener, just or
Speaker 5: just didn't know how important your moral guidance was to
Speaker 5: Charlie when he would think about moral questions. Andrew, you
Speaker 5: know he would you had mentioned this in private, you know,
Speaker 5: Dennis says this. This is how Dennis used this problem.
Speaker 5: He really looked up to you for moral reasoning like
Speaker 5: that and for framing things.
Speaker 6: So many things that you would say.
Speaker 5: And we would hear him repeat on campuses because you
Speaker 5: have that great way of distilling, like that difference, you know,
Speaker 5: using emotions instead of values, and the cell differences between them.
Speaker 5: I want us to play one of those clips just
Speaker 5: to illustrate that we have Charlieu citing you for a
Speaker 5: moral question for eighty seven.
Speaker 1: I learned this from the great Dennis Prager, who says,
Speaker 1: stop focusing on intentions, focus on the actions.
Speaker 6: It's a much better way to.
Speaker 1: Judge whether or not something is right or wrong intentions.
Speaker 1: As I've said before, and there's a video that went viral,
Speaker 1: the Nazis thought they were doing good. They convinced themselves
Speaker 1: that they were doing good, when in reality they were
Speaker 1: doing some of the greatest evil in the history of
Speaker 1: the speed.
Speaker 2: It's very moving to me, obviously, I don't know if
Speaker 2: either of you know this. Charlie visited me in my
Speaker 2: hospital room and he brought a copy of the Trance
Speaker 2: of the of the transcript of his of his book.
Speaker 2: Little did I know little It never occurred to me,
Speaker 2: of course, that I would not see Charlie again. Uh,
Speaker 2: and it broke my heart on every ground.
Speaker 3: Well, Dennis, even in the aftermath of Charlie's assassination, you're
Speaker 3: your subtitle the Battle over Who Defines Good and Evil?
Speaker 3: And you think about I would say, the vast majority
Speaker 3: of people reacted as you would expect and hope to
Speaker 3: the tragedy and sadness and horror and shock. But there
Speaker 3: was some voices that reacted in glee and celebration. And
Speaker 3: I can't help but think of your subtitle in that
Speaker 3: book as the perfect distillation of why who The battle
Speaker 3: of who gets to find good and evil matters so much.
Speaker 2: Well, if if man determines humans determined what is good
Speaker 2: and evil, then you can have moral inversions where the
Speaker 2: Nazis are good are good guys, and the Jews and
Speaker 2: others are bad guys. You have that now in the
Speaker 2: Middle East, where all of a sudden, the the Nazis
Speaker 2: of our time, the true Nazis of our time Hamas
Speaker 2: are the good guys. They're battling colonialism and Israel a
Speaker 2: democracy with one fifth of its citizens are Arab Muslims
Speaker 2: who thrive there and who supported Israel by and large
Speaker 2: in this war. Israel is the bad guy. We are
Speaker 2: living in a morally inverted universe.
Speaker 6: Dennis.
Speaker 3: I want to ask you a question that you address
Speaker 3: in the book. It's called the problem of pain.
Speaker 6: As C. S.
Speaker 3: Lewis said, you know, how does your book answer the
Speaker 3: question of why a supposedly good God allows for so
Speaker 3: much suffering and evil in the world.
Speaker 2: I've dealt with that all of my life, and I
Speaker 2: have so much to say on it. I'll try to
Speaker 2: be concise, all right. First of all, people need to
Speaker 2: deal with that issue before tragedy strikes in their life.
Speaker 2: If you start thinking about that question, we only once
Speaker 2: you've been hurt. It's too late. I, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: was preoccupied with the problem of evil from my high
Speaker 2: school days, so I have I dealt with it before
Speaker 2: I was personally hit by the tragedy that I am
Speaker 2: currently living, all right, and therefore I already had answers people.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a great example. A woman called my
Speaker 2: radio show many years ago said, you know, I just
Speaker 2: want you to know Dennis that I always vehemently disagree
Speaker 2: with you on capital punishment. I was opposed to capital
Speaker 2: punishment and you were ardently for it. Well, I've come
Speaker 2: around now to your point of view. I'm for capital punishment.
Speaker 2: And I said why. I said, because my brother was murdered,
Speaker 2: So of course I offered condolences. But then I said
Speaker 2: what needed to be said that, I said to her,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, so when millions of other people's brothers
Speaker 2: were murdered, you never asked the question. And she agreed
Speaker 2: she had never asked the question before. This is a
Speaker 2: common flaw in the human species. We deal with issues
Speaker 2: only when we are confronted by them. You've got to
Speaker 2: deal with these issues way before you're hit by them.
Speaker 2: I did. Why. Way of dealing with it is through
Speaker 2: reason and religion. The greatest combination there is Judeo Christian
Speaker 2: religions and reason, and that is that God allows evil
Speaker 2: to take place because we would be robots. Otherwise life
Speaker 2: would lose its meaning people would no longer be a
Speaker 2: free species. So that has to happen. And as regards UH,
Speaker 2: a natural uh evil if you will, cancer of the
Speaker 2: of the of the undeserving, you're right, that's we don't
Speaker 2: have an answer to that. I've read book after book
Speaker 2: by theologian after theologian. There's no great answer to the
Speaker 2: to the question. And uh therefore uhh we h. We
Speaker 2: have only jobs. The answer at the end of job
Speaker 2: where God says, where will you when I created the world?
Speaker 2: Do you know why eagles make nests? In other words,
Speaker 2: were we're like puppies uh as compared to human beings
Speaker 2: in our ability to understand life when we compare ourselves
Speaker 2: to God. We don't know the answer, but I will
Speaker 2: say I do believe that there's bad luck. Most religious
Speaker 2: people differ with me, but I think God. In my case,
Speaker 2: God allowed gravity to and lack of friction to take
Speaker 2: its course. Well, what was he supposed to do stop
Speaker 2: it from happening to me? And I wrote this stuff
Speaker 2: decades before what happened to me.
Speaker 5: It's remarkable. And I know one thing I think about.
Speaker 5: I know Charlie had wanted to do his Sabbath book
Speaker 5: even before your accident. I know he was planning it,
Speaker 5: but I also recall after it occurred. I know that
Speaker 5: really motivated him to make sure that was his next
Speaker 5: book that he would work on, and it moved him
Speaker 5: to complete it quickly. I don't know if that offers
Speaker 5: some solace to you or not, but I think I
Speaker 5: know Charlie drew some inspiration. He really wanted to get
Speaker 5: this Dennis inspired book because he knew, you know, maybe
Speaker 5: you wouldn't recover, and he wanted to make sure that
Speaker 5: he would have be able to carry on your legacy
Speaker 5: as well with his own work. And now I know
Speaker 5: none of us expected this, but we're glad that I
Speaker 5: guess you could return the favor. You are continuing Charlie's legacy.
Speaker 5: We're trying to continue Charlie's legacy.
Speaker 6: What happened?
Speaker 2: Ye And I dedicated my book which is coming out
Speaker 2: now if there is no God, to Charlie as it happens,
Speaker 2: which I would have done anyway, but now it was
Speaker 2: to Charlie's memory, which I still to this day. I
Speaker 2: find that almost is unbelievable as my my paralysis. Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk is dead. I it's this vibrant, incredibly young man.
Speaker 3: It's I know, yeah, it's a it's a reality that
Speaker 3: we confront every day. And we still have his seat
Speaker 3: open here in the studio, Dennis, and we'll never fill it.
Speaker 3: And but it's it's a comfort I didn't realize how
Speaker 3: comforting it was gonna be for me personally to talk
Speaker 3: to you, Dennis, and to see you doing so well.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what to expect when I saw you,
Speaker 3: and your mind is as vibrant and as alive as ever,
Speaker 3: even if your body's rebelling against you. And this has
Speaker 3: been truly wonderful. I wish we could have more time,
Speaker 3: and in fact, maybe we'll try for that. But thank
Speaker 3: you so much, Dennis Prager for talking about your book
Speaker 3: and talking about Charlie with the US today.
Speaker 2: I would love another opportunity to talk to you, and
Speaker 2: you really you may not be in that chair, but
Speaker 2: you're filling the seat beautifully, Dennis. And finally, I just
Speaker 2: ask your listeners and viewers to order a copy. Yes,
Speaker 2: If there is No God, it will change lives everybody.
Speaker 3: Please go get a copy today of Dennis's incredibly important
Speaker 3: new book, If there Is No God, The Battle over
Speaker 3: Who Defines Good and Evil? Get it today everywhere books
Speaker 3: are sold. Dennis Prager, God bless you and we'll talk.
Speaker 6: With you soon you too.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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