1 00:00:02,660 --> 00:00:08,510 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hello, welcome to the Praying Christian Woman podcast. 2 00:00:08,670 --> 00:00:10,690 Speaker 1: I am Alana here with Jeannie. How are you? 3 00:00:11,250 --> 00:00:12,350 Speaker 2: I'm good. How about you? 4 00:00:13,050 --> 00:00:15,830 Speaker 1: I am good slash heartbroken. 5 00:00:16,050 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: Yes, I was going to say, okay, yeah, good, but 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: not good. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:26,540 Speaker 1: Yes, we are giving Miss Dolly Parton the Queen of 8 00:00:26,820 --> 00:00:31,470 Speaker 1: Country tribute in today's episode. And no, it's just not 9 00:00:31,490 --> 00:00:33,850 Speaker 1: going to be Jamie and me talking about how much 10 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:36,630 Speaker 1: we love her, although there will, I'm sure, be. 11 00:00:36,570 --> 00:00:37,110 Speaker 2: Some of that. 12 00:00:37,790 --> 00:00:41,710 Speaker 1: There is going to be a question, and that is, 13 00:00:42,310 --> 00:00:45,370 Speaker 1: can you take secular music and make it worshipful or 14 00:00:45,430 --> 00:00:49,740 Speaker 1: make it a template for prayer? But the heart of 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:54,900 Speaker 1: it truly is we are both pretty sad at Dolly's 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,660 Speaker 1: death and really admired her as an individual person. So 17 00:00:58,870 --> 00:01:01,890 Speaker 1: do you have a favorite Dolly story or something about 18 00:01:01,930 --> 00:01:03,750 Speaker 1: her that you just loved and adored? 19 00:01:04,950 --> 00:01:07,590 Speaker 2: There are two things. So actually the first thing is 20 00:01:07,750 --> 00:01:12,510 Speaker 2: her imagination library. So she, for those that don't know 21 00:01:12,530 --> 00:01:16,850 Speaker 2: what that is, basically she grew up impoverished and they 22 00:01:16,890 --> 00:01:20,220 Speaker 2: didn't have access to a lot of things and including books. 23 00:01:20,450 --> 00:01:25,050 Speaker 2: And so she used some of her money to To 24 00:01:25,090 --> 00:01:28,090 Speaker 2: do this imagination library. So I didn't know what it 25 00:01:28,150 --> 00:01:30,209 Speaker 2: was until we had our first kid in 2006. And 26 00:01:30,350 --> 00:01:32,690 Speaker 2: in the hospital we were at, we got this thing. 27 00:01:32,730 --> 00:01:35,850 Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, everybody gets the opportunity to enroll 28 00:01:36,110 --> 00:01:39,890 Speaker 2: in the imagination library, which they will send one book 29 00:01:40,030 --> 00:01:41,140 Speaker 2: a month, I believe. 30 00:01:41,580 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: It was. 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,780 Speaker 2: From the time that baby is born until kindergarten, when 32 00:01:45,819 --> 00:01:52,070 Speaker 2: you get the kindergarten imagination library book. And it was... Basically, 33 00:01:52,110 --> 00:01:55,650 Speaker 2: the idea is that even for people, for kids whose 34 00:01:55,770 --> 00:01:57,930 Speaker 2: families are not going to take them to a library 35 00:01:58,250 --> 00:02:02,190 Speaker 2: or who can't afford access to books or whose families 36 00:02:02,230 --> 00:02:04,890 Speaker 2: would not think to get them books, they get books. 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,100 Speaker 2: And it's to increase literacy. But it's not like you 38 00:02:08,139 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: have to meet a certain income level. It's for everyone 39 00:02:11,020 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: that signs up for it. It's incredible. And all of 40 00:02:14,220 --> 00:02:17,530 Speaker 2: our kids benefited from those books. We would have taken 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,070 Speaker 2: them to the library and bought books, but all of those, 42 00:02:20,110 --> 00:02:22,829 Speaker 2: they're great books. So some of our favorite ones have 43 00:02:22,870 --> 00:02:25,250 Speaker 2: come from that collection, which is wonderful. 44 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:28,150 Speaker 1: Do you have one in mind that you remember specifically 45 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:30,630 Speaker 1: coming from them? I wish I did. 46 00:02:30,810 --> 00:02:33,070 Speaker 2: I haven't gone through them in a while to know 47 00:02:33,090 --> 00:02:36,230 Speaker 2: which ones, but yeah, I know that there were several 48 00:02:36,270 --> 00:02:38,410 Speaker 2: that are in our collection. 49 00:02:38,430 --> 00:02:41,910 Speaker 1: Wow. We did it too. It was always so exciting 50 00:02:41,970 --> 00:02:44,430 Speaker 1: to get those books in the mail. I remember when 51 00:02:44,470 --> 00:02:46,090 Speaker 1: we were asked if we wanted to sign up. I 52 00:02:46,110 --> 00:02:48,030 Speaker 1: think we were at the public library when they asked 53 00:02:48,110 --> 00:02:50,609 Speaker 1: us if we wanted to sign up. And I was like, 54 00:02:50,650 --> 00:02:54,130 Speaker 1: what's the catch? It was just so absurd to me 55 00:02:54,150 --> 00:02:57,630 Speaker 1: that there wasn't anything you had to do other than 56 00:02:57,730 --> 00:03:01,910 Speaker 1: be a child under the age of five. And reading 57 00:03:02,169 --> 00:03:08,450 Speaker 1: to my kids was the most special thing that I did. 58 00:03:09,070 --> 00:03:11,410 Speaker 1: with my children when they were young. 59 00:03:11,810 --> 00:03:12,740 Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. 60 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: So to have somebody who saw how important literature for 61 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: kids is and how beautiful picture books can be, I 62 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,140 Speaker 1: wish it was more normalized for like just adults to 63 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,419 Speaker 1: sit and read picture books to each other. I would 64 00:03:29,540 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: totally call you up on the phone and read you 65 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,620 Speaker 1: a frog and toad book over Zoom or something, you know, 66 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:40,490 Speaker 1: because they're beautiful and they're, They're sweet. And yeah, I 67 00:03:40,530 --> 00:03:43,070 Speaker 1: think really that's one of the things that made me 68 00:03:43,130 --> 00:03:46,250 Speaker 1: fall in love with Dolly was her imagination library. 69 00:03:46,270 --> 00:03:48,910 Speaker 2: Did I steal yours or do you have another one? 70 00:03:49,510 --> 00:03:54,110 Speaker 1: What I have loved is since her passing, my entire 71 00:03:54,170 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: YouTube is literally nothing but Dolly tributes and Dolly songs. 72 00:03:58,900 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: And I don't listen to country music. So it's not 73 00:04:02,020 --> 00:04:07,610 Speaker 1: like this is my jam. What I am so struck by, 74 00:04:07,630 --> 00:04:11,490 Speaker 1: and I've known this about Dolly, but what really strikes 75 00:04:11,550 --> 00:04:15,130 Speaker 1: me is like two videos, one after another. One was 76 00:04:15,170 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: a Christian band paying a tribute to Dolly Parton. And 77 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: one was the Gay Men's Chorus of Los Angeles singing 78 00:04:21,260 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: a tribute to Dolly Parton. And this is not me 79 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,860 Speaker 1: taking any stance on any controversial issue. This is me 80 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,460 Speaker 1: saying it is beautiful to have one individual sing who 81 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:38,550 Speaker 1: could unify and be respected and loved by so many 82 00:04:38,930 --> 00:04:39,869 Speaker 1: diverse people. 83 00:04:40,410 --> 00:04:43,330 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I shared it with you. There was 84 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: a meme that came through and it's like, basically, the 85 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: last human just beloved by everyone in the world has 86 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,530 Speaker 2: just passed away because she bridged gaps. And She was just, 87 00:04:57,710 --> 00:05:00,930 Speaker 2: you know, the epitome of love and kindness and generosity 88 00:05:00,990 --> 00:05:04,490 Speaker 2: really is what it boiled down to. I saw a 89 00:05:04,610 --> 00:05:09,289 Speaker 2: post about Eminem posted a tribute to her, Marshall Mathers. 90 00:05:09,850 --> 00:05:12,750 Speaker 2: And she had written him a letter, like an email 91 00:05:12,830 --> 00:05:15,620 Speaker 2: saying congratulations for being inducted into the Rock and Roll 92 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame or whatever. And but just, you know. 93 00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:23,150 Speaker 2: She reached out to everyone. She didn't stay in her lane. 94 00:05:23,290 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: There was no lane. 95 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: She had no lane. 96 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: And that's Christ-like. 97 00:05:28,820 --> 00:05:31,940 Speaker 1: My very favorite Dolly Parton song is not one of 98 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: the ones we're going to be talking about because we 99 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: are talking specifically about secular songs. But have you seen 100 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,250 Speaker 1: her live version of He Is Alive? 101 00:05:41,270 --> 00:05:43,589 Speaker 2: No, I have not. 102 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: It is amazing. It's the song, you might recognize it. 103 00:05:47,910 --> 00:05:52,270 Speaker 1: It's a song sung usually on Easter from Peter's perspective. 104 00:05:53,390 --> 00:05:55,730 Speaker 1: And she has a version with it. And there's a 105 00:05:55,830 --> 00:06:00,860 Speaker 1: whole gospel choir behind her for the end. It's so powerful. 106 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,339 Speaker 2: Oh, that's neat. 107 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, like my kids know her as the, he's 108 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: a live singer. That's their introduction. So I haven't failed 109 00:06:10,540 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: as a parent. I'm going to take that as my win. 110 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,140 Speaker 2: Thank goodness. Yeah. 111 00:06:14,980 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: They don't know any Dolly Parton original songs, but they 112 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,990 Speaker 1: know her, He's Alive. So that is your homework and 113 00:06:21,060 --> 00:06:24,170 Speaker 1: any listener homework is to go and listen to that. 114 00:06:24,310 --> 00:06:25,330 Speaker 1: So powerful. 115 00:06:25,810 --> 00:06:28,770 Speaker 2: I definitely will. I know the song you're talking about. 116 00:06:28,910 --> 00:06:34,469 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. It's a powerful song no matter what. All right. 117 00:06:34,570 --> 00:06:38,309 Speaker 1: So today's episode, what we want to do is, first 118 00:06:38,350 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: of all, posit the question, can you worship God with 119 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: a secular song? And I want to be really careful. 120 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: Most people are going to assume, can you take a 121 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:50,099 Speaker 1: love song and sing it to God? And this is 122 00:06:50,779 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: extremely beyond that. Like that's maybe like half of a 123 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: percent of what I'm talking about. I'm really asking the 124 00:06:58,860 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: question of, can a song that was not written to 125 00:07:01,420 --> 00:07:04,729 Speaker 1: be sung in church and not written by Christians and 126 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,310 Speaker 1: not written to be sacred, be a worshipful experience or 127 00:07:09,350 --> 00:07:11,950 Speaker 1: a template for prayer or something that draws you to 128 00:07:11,990 --> 00:07:12,290 Speaker 1: the Lord? 129 00:07:13,020 --> 00:07:18,060 Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually had a conversation by messenger with a 130 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: former pastor who I don't live near anymore. But we 131 00:07:21,980 --> 00:07:26,230 Speaker 2: were just having the conversation about the song One Day 132 00:07:26,350 --> 00:07:30,350 Speaker 2: by Modest Yahoo, who at one point was a Hasidic Jew. 133 00:07:30,370 --> 00:07:35,730 Speaker 2: I don't believe he adheres to that faith anymore. Not 134 00:07:35,750 --> 00:07:40,310 Speaker 2: a Christian, not a Christian song. It is, for those 135 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: that don't know, it's basically a song about, you know, 136 00:07:44,860 --> 00:07:49,300 Speaker 2: one day there won't be war. What is it? There'll 137 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,820 Speaker 2: be no more war. I can't even think of the, 138 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: and our children will play one day. So he did 139 00:07:55,140 --> 00:08:01,090 Speaker 2: this one rendition. There was a conductor who conducted One 140 00:08:01,130 --> 00:08:05,610 Speaker 2: Day by Modest Yahoo, and he had representatives of Palestinian 141 00:08:05,630 --> 00:08:11,179 Speaker 2: descent and Jewish descent. coming together, I think in Tel Aviv. 142 00:08:11,860 --> 00:08:16,300 Speaker 2: And they, you might've seen it. They basically trained them 143 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,739 Speaker 2: over the course of a day to do these different parts. 144 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,380 Speaker 2: And it was beautiful. Then at one point they're singing 145 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,290 Speaker 2: in their own languages. It's like Arabic. And anyway, it was, 146 00:08:25,750 --> 00:08:30,770 Speaker 2: it was beautiful. And I, you know, it, when I 147 00:08:31,430 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: experienced that performance and, it wasn't just like chills. It 148 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,220 Speaker 2: felt like the Holy Spirit feeling. And I just was 149 00:08:41,260 --> 00:08:44,410 Speaker 2: like kind of wrestling with, okay, how do, like, what 150 00:08:44,429 --> 00:08:47,350 Speaker 2: do I name this? Is there the Holy Spirit? Can 151 00:08:47,370 --> 00:08:51,990 Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit be present and active in something that's secular? 152 00:08:52,010 --> 00:08:55,390 Speaker 2: Because I know it's not Christian, but it talks about unity. 153 00:08:55,929 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: It's involving God's people. It's involving all people, you know? 154 00:09:01,140 --> 00:09:04,130 Speaker 2: And And I don't know. So I don't know how 155 00:09:04,150 --> 00:09:06,150 Speaker 2: to really put that into words, but we had kind 156 00:09:06,170 --> 00:09:08,970 Speaker 2: of a conversation about it and, you know, the difference 157 00:09:09,010 --> 00:09:13,610 Speaker 2: between the Holy Spirit and just positivity. The long and 158 00:09:13,630 --> 00:09:16,910 Speaker 2: the short of it is, I believe, I hope it 159 00:09:16,950 --> 00:09:19,530 Speaker 2: doesn't get taken in the wrong way, but when I 160 00:09:20,270 --> 00:09:24,150 Speaker 2: experience that song or sing that song, I experience the 161 00:09:24,190 --> 00:09:28,050 Speaker 2: Holy Spirit in a worshipful experience because it's a prayer 162 00:09:28,530 --> 00:09:33,390 Speaker 2: from me to God for peace and for justice. And it's, 163 00:09:34,110 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: so my short answer is yes. 164 00:09:48,580 --> 00:09:51,250 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say so too. I think that if 165 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,490 Speaker 1: we wanted to add qualifiers, we definitely could. But my 166 00:09:55,530 --> 00:09:58,990 Speaker 1: thought is, if it's not a sin to listen to 167 00:09:59,050 --> 00:10:02,980 Speaker 1: secular music, just blank, you know, I'm sure that everybody 168 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,979 Speaker 1: can point to some songs that they're not going to 169 00:10:05,020 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: listen to for religious conviction. But in general, if we're 170 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:12,340 Speaker 1: not going to make it a rule that every song 171 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,420 Speaker 1: you listen to must be written by a Christian and 172 00:10:14,470 --> 00:10:20,270 Speaker 1: sung to God, then to me, it almost must follow 173 00:10:20,290 --> 00:10:23,770 Speaker 1: that it could be worshipful because we're supposed to make 174 00:10:23,929 --> 00:10:26,870 Speaker 1: everything worshipful. We are supposed to do everything for the 175 00:10:26,910 --> 00:10:32,439 Speaker 1: glory of God. So if it's not a sin, then 176 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,300 Speaker 1: shouldn't it by definition be something that draws us closer 177 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,620 Speaker 1: to the Lord? And let's also go ahead and add 178 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: that music itself, let's strip spirituality out of it. Some 179 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,660 Speaker 1: music has transcendental power to it. 180 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: Right. 181 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that if it's not of God, 182 00:10:55,340 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: it's of the devil. Sometimes it's just that God gave 183 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:05,810 Speaker 1: us brains and bodies that respond to music in that way. So... 184 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:09,630 Speaker 1: I think that there's definitely, you know, there's spiritual music. 185 00:11:09,650 --> 00:11:11,910 Speaker 1: There's probably what we could call neutral music. It's just 186 00:11:11,950 --> 00:11:13,990 Speaker 1: the music that you like to have on in the background. 187 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:16,870 Speaker 1: And it's kind of passive. It's innocuous. It's not drawing 188 00:11:16,890 --> 00:11:19,250 Speaker 1: you closer to God or pulling you away from God. 189 00:11:20,370 --> 00:11:22,510 Speaker 1: Most people, like, do you have songs that you would 190 00:11:22,550 --> 00:11:26,410 Speaker 1: refuse to listen to for religious reasons and conviction? 191 00:11:27,090 --> 00:11:30,230 Speaker 2: There are a couple. There are a couple that I 192 00:11:30,820 --> 00:11:34,300 Speaker 2: Don't like. I don't even know if I want to 193 00:11:34,340 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 2: go into it, but I kind of do. 194 00:11:35,580 --> 00:11:37,340 Speaker 1: You don't have to. All right. 195 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,060 Speaker 2: I kind of do. 196 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: I saw your eyes light up. Okay. 197 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,020 Speaker 2: I don't know how to. So, okay. I'm not going 198 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,530 Speaker 2: to give the name just because I don't want to. 199 00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: Okay. 200 00:11:49,290 --> 00:11:54,050 Speaker 2: But there is a song and the lyrics mention someone 201 00:11:54,450 --> 00:11:58,650 Speaker 2: who is known to be involved in the occult. And 202 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,150 Speaker 2: It has an awesome guitar solo. I'm just going to 203 00:12:03,170 --> 00:12:06,170 Speaker 2: say it because it's Dear Mr. Crowley, okay? 204 00:12:06,190 --> 00:12:07,130 Speaker 1: I've never heard of it. 205 00:12:07,170 --> 00:12:12,290 Speaker 2: About Alistair Crowley, who was involved in the occult. And 206 00:12:12,970 --> 00:12:18,579 Speaker 2: apparently the song itself, I honestly, I have not analyzed 207 00:12:18,620 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: the lyrics, but apparently I have been told that it 208 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,270 Speaker 2: is not condoning what he has done. But the fact 209 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 2: that it mentions his name, I don't like it being played. 210 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: I don't like it. And I've set that boundary. So 211 00:12:31,660 --> 00:12:33,860 Speaker 2: let's just say that. Even though it has a wicked 212 00:12:33,900 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: guitar solo, I do not like it. 213 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 214 00:12:37,780 --> 00:12:42,300 Speaker 2: Oh, I see what you did there. But I also 215 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,620 Speaker 2: don't want my son playing it and have told him that. 216 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,860 Speaker 2: So that is one line that I have drawn. I 217 00:12:50,620 --> 00:12:54,260 Speaker 2: think I'm way over what most people in terms of 218 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: what I'll let my kids listen to. Like I'm way more, 219 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: I know that there are many people who set lines 220 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,469 Speaker 2: and boundaries a lot more, you know, like, oh, this band, 221 00:13:02,540 --> 00:13:06,329 Speaker 2: this whatever. And I haven't gone to those lengths, but 222 00:13:06,870 --> 00:13:09,650 Speaker 2: that is one of just a handful that I think 223 00:13:09,870 --> 00:13:14,430 Speaker 2: are sacrilegious. And I don't like being played for the content. 224 00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:19,790 Speaker 1: Well, there's something about music that lowers all of your 225 00:13:20,450 --> 00:13:28,330 Speaker 1: prefrontal defenses and so it is easier to be persuaded 226 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: by music it touches your emotions and your subconscious more 227 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,990 Speaker 1: than just a lecture would there are some songs and 228 00:13:38,010 --> 00:13:41,770 Speaker 1: for me i distinguish it as just entirely personal conviction 229 00:13:42,370 --> 00:13:44,250 Speaker 1: some of it's personal conviction, but a big chunk of 230 00:13:44,290 --> 00:13:47,530 Speaker 1: it is just personal preference. Even like there were some 231 00:13:47,570 --> 00:13:50,270 Speaker 1: songs that I would say, I am not convicted that 232 00:13:50,309 --> 00:13:53,210 Speaker 1: it's a sin for me to listen to, but they 233 00:13:53,309 --> 00:13:58,179 Speaker 1: give me the heebie-jeebies, you know? One of them, You're 234 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: Gonna Laugh, but it's in Phantom of the Opera. And 235 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: it's like this very seductive sounding song. It's past the 236 00:14:05,300 --> 00:14:07,900 Speaker 1: point of no return. And most of the time I 237 00:14:07,990 --> 00:14:10,380 Speaker 1: skip it because I don't like it in my head 238 00:14:10,510 --> 00:14:12,599 Speaker 1: and it's kind of creepy and it leaves me feeling 239 00:14:12,660 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: kind of oppressed. I don't think the song's demonic. I 240 00:14:16,220 --> 00:14:19,260 Speaker 1: don't think it's wrong. If my son got to play 241 00:14:19,300 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: the phantom, I wouldn't forbid him from singing it. You know, 242 00:14:22,180 --> 00:14:25,590 Speaker 1: there's none of that to me. I just, it is 243 00:14:25,630 --> 00:14:29,810 Speaker 1: a personal preference that has a tiny bit of spiritual 244 00:14:29,850 --> 00:14:32,590 Speaker 1: heebie-jeebie element, but I would never go so far as 245 00:14:32,610 --> 00:14:35,910 Speaker 1: to say it's like sinful or something. So, you know, 246 00:14:36,270 --> 00:14:40,780 Speaker 1: if we can, agree that there are a lot of 247 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,740 Speaker 1: songs that are neutral. They're not written for God. And 248 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,430 Speaker 1: let's even say lyrically, right? Because an argument can be 249 00:14:49,470 --> 00:14:53,490 Speaker 1: made that any song that has lyrics that promote something 250 00:14:53,550 --> 00:14:56,630 Speaker 1: sinful could be sinful to some people to listen to. 251 00:14:57,970 --> 00:15:01,510 Speaker 1: That would be a stricter interpretation than what I ascribe to, 252 00:15:01,550 --> 00:15:03,970 Speaker 1: but I totally get why some people would say that. 253 00:15:04,670 --> 00:15:08,100 Speaker 1: So let's just even take all of those songs out 254 00:15:08,140 --> 00:15:11,940 Speaker 1: of the equation. if it's not talking about or condoning sin, 255 00:15:12,380 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: and it's also not like a praise song to Jesus, 256 00:15:15,020 --> 00:15:20,780 Speaker 1: and it's just in that neutral ground, it's, in my opinion, 257 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: not a sin issue whatsoever. So therefore, it could also 258 00:15:25,580 --> 00:15:30,820 Speaker 1: become a platform for prayer or a platform for worship. 259 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:35,150 Speaker 1: And the human experience is Like we're meant to worship God, 260 00:15:35,170 --> 00:15:36,810 Speaker 1: but we're meant to do other things too. We're meant 261 00:15:36,870 --> 00:15:38,970 Speaker 1: to love others. We're meant to love our kids. So 262 00:15:39,090 --> 00:15:41,310 Speaker 1: I grew up listening to a ton of contemporary Christian 263 00:15:41,350 --> 00:15:47,130 Speaker 1: music in the 90s. I was there when there was 264 00:15:47,190 --> 00:15:49,710 Speaker 1: like a day, and I don't know if you were there. 265 00:15:50,270 --> 00:15:55,170 Speaker 1: There was a day that contemporary Christian music switched from, 266 00:15:55,790 --> 00:15:59,510 Speaker 1: we are a Christian band singing clean songs for Christian 267 00:15:59,550 --> 00:16:03,970 Speaker 1: listeners to music. We are worship bands singing songs to Jesus. 268 00:16:04,390 --> 00:16:11,390 Speaker 1: Do you remember that very big schism when it happened? 269 00:16:12,500 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: I've never taken note of it like that, but I 270 00:16:14,940 --> 00:16:20,180 Speaker 2: can see what you're saying. We went from like big house, big, 271 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,260 Speaker 2: big house where we can play football, you know, like 272 00:16:24,300 --> 00:16:27,250 Speaker 2: all the fun, just kind of like, let's just sing. 273 00:16:27,370 --> 00:16:30,530 Speaker 2: And then now it's worship bands like, yeah. 274 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: And at the time, I loved it. I still like, 275 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,180 Speaker 1: I love that we have really, in my opinion, we 276 00:16:37,220 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: have good contemporary music. And that came out of that. 277 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: But what it also did is it subtly reinforced in 278 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,140 Speaker 1: us that there is a divide between what can be 279 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:55,580 Speaker 1: music that honors God and everything else. Like Butterfly Kisses 280 00:16:56,020 --> 00:17:01,239 Speaker 1: was all over the Christian radio stations. And now... If 281 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: someone came out with the butterfly kisses, it would almost 282 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:06,540 Speaker 1: be like, oh, we can't play this on a contemporary 283 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,870 Speaker 1: Christian station because it's not just about God. It's about 284 00:17:09,910 --> 00:17:12,750 Speaker 1: a father who loves his daughter. And my question is like, 285 00:17:12,869 --> 00:17:16,270 Speaker 1: how is that also not part of the Christian experience? 286 00:17:16,550 --> 00:17:20,169 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah. But it can reinforce 287 00:17:20,250 --> 00:17:24,260 Speaker 1: this idea that if it's not sung to God, then 288 00:17:24,450 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: it's not real Christian music. 289 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 2: So. 290 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: Let's take the Dolly Parton. What we did to give 291 00:17:32,460 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 1: all of you listening an example of what we're talking 292 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:38,750 Speaker 1: about is we each chose a Dolly Parton song, and 293 00:17:38,770 --> 00:17:41,190 Speaker 1: we're going to go through some of the lyrics and, yeah, 294 00:17:41,350 --> 00:17:44,850 Speaker 1: ask ourselves, would I worship to this? Could I pray 295 00:17:44,910 --> 00:17:46,830 Speaker 1: to this? Could I make it a template for prayer? 296 00:17:47,369 --> 00:17:48,909 Speaker 1: So what did you choose for us? 297 00:17:49,609 --> 00:17:53,169 Speaker 2: So I chose Coat of Many Colors. And like I 298 00:17:53,210 --> 00:17:56,730 Speaker 2: mentioned before, Dolly grew up in poverty, and she's talked 299 00:17:56,810 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 2: about this being one of her favorite songs because it's autobiographical. 300 00:18:03,220 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: And it's called Coat of Many Colors, and it's about 301 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: her mom using this box of just rags, basically, to 302 00:18:13,260 --> 00:18:15,210 Speaker 2: sew together a coat for her, and she kind of 303 00:18:15,250 --> 00:18:18,550 Speaker 2: parallels it. It's not Biblical at all, because she does 304 00:18:18,619 --> 00:18:22,340 Speaker 2: talk about her mom talking about a story from the Bible, 305 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 2: but in itself, it's autobiographical. So maybe I'm cheating a 306 00:18:27,310 --> 00:18:28,450 Speaker 2: little because it mentions the Bible. 307 00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:30,350 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think this is exactly what 308 00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:33,590 Speaker 1: I mean. Kind of like with Butterfly Kisses. Right. The 309 00:18:33,790 --> 00:18:37,510 Speaker 1: idea of a mother taking care of her daughter, clothing 310 00:18:37,570 --> 00:18:37,950 Speaker 1: her daughter. 311 00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:40,170 Speaker 2: That's straight out of Proverbs 31. 312 00:18:40,170 --> 00:18:43,429 Speaker 1: The idea of a mother making something beautiful, even if 313 00:18:43,450 --> 00:18:47,350 Speaker 1: she doesn't have a lot of resources, there is nothing 314 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:51,500 Speaker 1: that in my mind we could say, oh, that's so, 315 00:18:52,380 --> 00:18:55,220 Speaker 1: so vain. Why are we listening to this secular song? 316 00:18:55,340 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: And so I would say like, and I'm going to 317 00:18:57,859 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: guess the majority of our listeners, I'm This could be 318 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,450 Speaker 1: a neutral song, right? It's not a sin to listen 319 00:19:04,490 --> 00:19:07,450 Speaker 1: to this song. I want to take it one step further, though, 320 00:19:07,530 --> 00:19:09,929 Speaker 1: and say, well, can it actually bring us closer to 321 00:19:09,970 --> 00:19:13,450 Speaker 1: God to listen to this song? And I don't know 322 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,980 Speaker 1: this song, so I'm kind of excited. 323 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,100 Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you want me to read just the first 324 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 2: few verses? Or do you want me to read all 325 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:19,740 Speaker 2: of them? 326 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: Or maybe just spot check and stop when you get 327 00:19:22,140 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: to things that you want to draw out. 328 00:19:23,550 --> 00:19:27,650 Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah. So verse one. Back through the years I go, 329 00:19:27,730 --> 00:19:30,330 Speaker 2: wandering once again, back to the seasons of my youth, 330 00:19:30,590 --> 00:19:33,100 Speaker 2: I recall a box of rags that someone gave us 331 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: and how my mama put the rags to use. There 332 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,139 Speaker 2: were rags of many colors and every piece was small 333 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,420 Speaker 2: and I didn't have a coat and it was way 334 00:19:41,460 --> 00:19:44,330 Speaker 2: down in the fall. Mama sewed the rags together, sewing 335 00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:46,830 Speaker 2: every piece with love. She made my coat of many 336 00:19:46,869 --> 00:19:50,220 Speaker 2: colors that I was so proud of. And again, like 337 00:19:50,260 --> 00:19:52,460 Speaker 2: you said, I mean, I just see this as here's 338 00:19:52,500 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: a girl. She doesn't have really a whole lot to 339 00:19:54,820 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 2: be proud of. She doesn't have a whole lot to 340 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,650 Speaker 2: call her own. And her mom takes basically something, this 341 00:20:01,730 --> 00:20:05,510 Speaker 2: box of rags that other people might just discard or 342 00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:11,469 Speaker 2: consider nothing. And she takes uses her, you know, ingenuity 343 00:20:11,550 --> 00:20:15,850 Speaker 2: or skills to sew it together into an actual coat, 344 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:17,830 Speaker 2: a patchwork coat, basically. 345 00:20:17,850 --> 00:20:21,690 Speaker 1: And I think there's a beautiful metaphor about what God 346 00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:24,109 Speaker 1: does in our lives. He can take all these broken 347 00:20:24,170 --> 00:20:26,969 Speaker 1: parts and these ugly pieces and things that we're ashamed 348 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,980 Speaker 1: of or things that other people would overlook and turn 349 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,940 Speaker 1: it into something colorful and beautiful. 350 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. It also makes me think of like prayer shawls. 351 00:20:37,859 --> 00:20:43,290 Speaker 2: Like when my stepmom was going through treatments for lymphoma, 352 00:20:44,030 --> 00:20:47,590 Speaker 2: I ordered her, because I'm not skilled enough, because I 353 00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:49,010 Speaker 2: would love to be able to do this, but I 354 00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: ordered her on Etsy. There was a woman who said 355 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:58,180 Speaker 2: that she made prayer shawls for people going through chemotherapy 356 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 2: because you need something to kind of allow your arm 357 00:21:01,300 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: to be or your port to be free wherever your port, 358 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,419 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think she had one in her chest. 359 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,179 Speaker 2: But to also be able to drape it over to 360 00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:11,460 Speaker 2: keep you warm because the rooms tended to be kind 361 00:21:11,500 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 2: of cold. And she said that she's a Christian and 362 00:21:15,220 --> 00:21:21,590 Speaker 2: when she crochets these shawls, she prays with each stitch. 363 00:21:21,690 --> 00:21:25,609 Speaker 2: She prays for healing, for peace and all these different things. 364 00:21:26,180 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: And then she sends it kind of boxed up with this, 365 00:21:28,900 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 2: you know, hey, I prayed through this. Anyway, it talks 366 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:36,169 Speaker 2: about she sewed the rags together, sewing every piece with love. 367 00:21:36,490 --> 00:21:39,449 Speaker 2: And she doesn't say that she prayed through sewing it, 368 00:21:39,530 --> 00:21:41,950 Speaker 2: but that's kind of, you know, something we can take 369 00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:44,750 Speaker 2: away as well is just kind of to be able 370 00:21:44,770 --> 00:21:47,110 Speaker 2: to do that with the things that we do for 371 00:21:47,170 --> 00:21:48,129 Speaker 2: our kids. 372 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,899 Speaker 1: Yeah, to clothe in love. I think about this a 373 00:21:50,940 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: lot with food, like a meal infused with your love. 374 00:21:54,609 --> 00:21:57,689 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. We've talked about that. Your process of when 375 00:21:57,730 --> 00:22:02,270 Speaker 2: you make the soup, kind of like infusing that with that. 376 00:22:02,290 --> 00:22:07,270 Speaker 1: Now, I guarantee you that some people listening heard your 377 00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:10,510 Speaker 1: story about Etsy and are saying to themselves, sister, you 378 00:22:10,550 --> 00:22:13,350 Speaker 1: got scammed. And I want to know your response to that. 379 00:22:14,050 --> 00:22:18,770 Speaker 2: I mean, realistically, I'm not buying like magic beans thinking 380 00:22:18,790 --> 00:22:22,770 Speaker 2: they're going to grow into a beanstalk in my stepmom's backyard, 381 00:22:22,830 --> 00:22:26,090 Speaker 2: you know, like. I'm glad that she did that. But 382 00:22:26,490 --> 00:22:31,830 Speaker 2: for me, it's the gesture to my stepmom of this 383 00:22:32,010 --> 00:22:36,070 Speaker 2: was made for you with love and prayer. But I'm praying, 384 00:22:36,670 --> 00:22:41,770 Speaker 2: you know, by proxy. I'm imparting my prayers onto that shawl. 385 00:22:42,490 --> 00:22:45,230 Speaker 2: And it's not magical. I don't think that giving her 386 00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: a shawl that's been prayed over is any more effective 387 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,139 Speaker 2: than me just, you know, buying one at Walmart and 388 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,219 Speaker 2: shipping it to her. But for me, it was the 389 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 2: gesture to let her know that this is my intent 390 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,940 Speaker 2: and this is what I'm doing for you is I'm 391 00:22:59,980 --> 00:23:03,330 Speaker 2: praying for you with every stitch in that quilt. And 392 00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:07,610 Speaker 2: I think that's, you know, whether that woman just said 393 00:23:07,650 --> 00:23:10,950 Speaker 2: that or not. I mean, it was in my budget. 394 00:23:11,490 --> 00:23:14,139 Speaker 1: Yeah. How are we going to know? And yeah, I 395 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: wanted to bring that up because I knew that that 396 00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:17,300 Speaker 1: was going to be in some people's mind. 397 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,899 Speaker 2: But I'm glad you did because, yeah, because that is 398 00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: an important thing. Yeah. Yeah. 399 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: There are scammers out there who are going to say, like, 400 00:23:24,740 --> 00:23:27,820 Speaker 1: this is my magical, miraculous handkerchief that I prayed over, 401 00:23:27,859 --> 00:23:30,129 Speaker 1: and it's going to heal all of your ailments. Right. 402 00:23:30,190 --> 00:23:32,330 Speaker 1: And this shawl wasn't promising healing. No. 403 00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:33,929 Speaker 2: It was basically— It was a gesture. 404 00:23:33,950 --> 00:23:38,070 Speaker 1: A gesture of comfort and love. In my opinion, they're 405 00:23:38,109 --> 00:23:42,139 Speaker 1: very separate from a magic hanky that, you know, cures 406 00:23:42,180 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: your sickness miraculously. But— I'm going to put on my 407 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,260 Speaker 1: hoity-toity Christian glasses too for this last line. I want 408 00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:55,620 Speaker 1: your opinion. It says, she made my coat of many 409 00:23:55,660 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: colors that I was so proud of. Hoity-toity Christian's going 410 00:23:58,340 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: to look at that and say, well, Dolly, why are 411 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: you putting on airs when you're so young? Why are 412 00:24:02,780 --> 00:24:05,220 Speaker 1: you proud of your coat? What do you say to that? 413 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:20,360 Speaker 2: I think God designed us to be proud. And we've 414 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 2: talked about it before that there's this really damaging theology 415 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: that pride is a bad word. And, you know, God 416 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,609 Speaker 2: took pride in creation. He said, this is very good. 417 00:24:35,490 --> 00:24:38,670 Speaker 2: And he made us creative beings to be able to 418 00:24:39,109 --> 00:24:43,350 Speaker 2: create and to reflect his image in our creativity. And 419 00:24:43,390 --> 00:24:46,550 Speaker 2: we can be proud of that. It's different from being 420 00:24:47,100 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: materialistic and, and pride can become a sin. Obviously the 421 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:54,170 Speaker 2: Bible says pride comes before the fall. Um, you know, 422 00:24:54,369 --> 00:24:58,410 Speaker 2: it can become sinful, but for her to be this 423 00:24:58,470 --> 00:25:02,590 Speaker 2: little girl who had nothing and then she had this 424 00:25:02,650 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: beautiful coat, she was probably proud of her mom for 425 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,139 Speaker 2: being able to make it. She was probably proud to 426 00:25:08,180 --> 00:25:12,379 Speaker 2: be able to have something like that. And, um, I 427 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:12,700 Speaker 2: don't know. 428 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,179 Speaker 1: And it's something a lot of people would have been 429 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: ashamed of. They would have been ashamed to wear rags. Right. 430 00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:20,610 Speaker 2: Like a pieced together. 431 00:25:20,619 --> 00:25:24,649 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I really feel, and I know I've said 432 00:25:24,670 --> 00:25:27,189 Speaker 1: it before, like we need two different words for pride. 433 00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:29,670 Speaker 1: I think if we separated pride, we get rid of 434 00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:34,570 Speaker 1: the word pride and we either call it pleasure or arrogance. 435 00:25:34,830 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: I feel like that does exactly what we want it 436 00:25:38,340 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: to do and makes the distinction. I take pleasure in 437 00:25:41,619 --> 00:25:44,780 Speaker 1: my kids. I take pleasure in my writing. I take 438 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: pleasure in making a yummy pot of soup. I'm not 439 00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:55,570 Speaker 1: arrogant about those things. And Dolly is taking pleasure in this. 440 00:25:55,790 --> 00:25:59,429 Speaker 1: And it's beautiful. And I feel like if we remember 441 00:25:59,490 --> 00:26:02,550 Speaker 1: her kind of Appalachian roots, I think it adds depth 442 00:26:02,650 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: to it as well, right? Where even culturally, there's pride there. 443 00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:13,850 Speaker 1: There's pride that would allow or forbid someone from accepting charity, 444 00:26:14,290 --> 00:26:17,910 Speaker 1: but it wouldn't forbid them from wearing a coat their 445 00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:20,949 Speaker 1: mom made out of rags. And that's beautiful. And I 446 00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:24,470 Speaker 1: see the picture of the mom doing the exercept too. 447 00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:27,290 Speaker 1: It wasn't, let's try to hide the fact that these 448 00:26:27,330 --> 00:26:29,669 Speaker 1: are rags. Let me try to get the pieces that 449 00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: are this close in color together as we can, or 450 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,360 Speaker 1: something like that. It was, do you know what? This 451 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: is who we are. This is what we have. Let's 452 00:26:38,340 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: make it as beautiful as we can. 453 00:26:40,020 --> 00:26:42,500 Speaker 2: Yeah. And let me finish. Let me read a couple 454 00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:45,899 Speaker 2: more verses because it finishes out the story very nicely 455 00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:48,500 Speaker 2: with what you said. So with patches on my britches 456 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 2: and holes in both my shoes, in my coat of 457 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,460 Speaker 2: many colors, I hurried off to school just to find 458 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: the others laughing and making fun of me. In my 459 00:26:56,060 --> 00:26:59,699 Speaker 2: coat of many colors, my mama made for me. And oh, 460 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,990 Speaker 2: I couldn't understand it for I felt I was rich. 461 00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:05,450 Speaker 2: And I told them of the love my mama sewed 462 00:27:05,490 --> 00:27:08,250 Speaker 2: in every stitch. And I told him all the story 463 00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:11,370 Speaker 2: Mama told me while she sewed and how my coat 464 00:27:11,410 --> 00:27:14,580 Speaker 2: of many colors was worth more than all their clothes. 465 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,230 Speaker 2: But they didn't understand it. 466 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:16,860 Speaker 1: You're killing me. I know. 467 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,660 Speaker 2: I know. I'm sorry. I'm going to do the last verse, 468 00:27:19,820 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 2: bringing it home. But they didn't understand it. And I 469 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,899 Speaker 2: tried to make them see that one is only poor 470 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,139 Speaker 2: only if they choose to be. Now I know we 471 00:27:29,180 --> 00:27:31,100 Speaker 2: had no money, but I was rich as I could 472 00:27:31,140 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 2: be in my coat of many colors my Mama made 473 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:34,340 Speaker 2: for me. 474 00:27:35,010 --> 00:27:35,750 Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. 475 00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:37,500 Speaker 2: I know. I'm tearing up. 476 00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:38,830 Speaker 1: It killed me. 477 00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:40,270 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 478 00:27:40,369 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: Okay. So, if we were going to... I'm going to 479 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: give you two options where you want to go from here. 480 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,740 Speaker 1: If we want to turn this song and these lyrics 481 00:27:49,859 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: into a template for prayer or a template for worship, 482 00:27:53,820 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: which are you most leaning towards? And where would you go? 483 00:27:58,260 --> 00:28:00,780 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just... I feel like Dolly brings it 484 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,220 Speaker 2: home to worship. 485 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: I mean. 486 00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 2: Prayer, yeah, you could totally pray, but it's almost like 487 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: a praise. I mean, just for this little girl to 488 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,580 Speaker 2: get that you're only as rich as your perspective. 489 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,070 Speaker 1: Yeah. One is only poor only if they choose to be. 490 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:24,430 Speaker 2: Yeah. And so, you know, I just kind of feel 491 00:28:24,450 --> 00:28:28,930 Speaker 2: like it's really a song of like reflecting praise back 492 00:28:28,990 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: to God for providing grace. 493 00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:36,409 Speaker 1: When I am confronted with the question of what is 494 00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:42,930 Speaker 1: appropriate for a Christian to sing about, I always go 495 00:28:42,970 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: back to Psalms because there is, I might be over 496 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,140 Speaker 1: speaking because I haven't thought through this as a thought exercise, 497 00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: but I bet if I wanted to take some license, 498 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,180 Speaker 1: you could throw at me any song that's ever been 499 00:28:59,220 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: written that has lyrics and And I could find you 500 00:29:02,980 --> 00:29:07,940 Speaker 1: a psalm that at least has similarities to it. 501 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: Even Mr. Crowley is asking questions about why he does 502 00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:16,070 Speaker 2: what he does and trying to pick apart what makes 503 00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:19,110 Speaker 2: him who he is. And the psalms do that too, 504 00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:20,030 Speaker 2: you know? Yeah. 505 00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:23,580 Speaker 1: You know, there are psalms, why do the wicked prosper? Right. 506 00:29:23,660 --> 00:29:27,530 Speaker 1: There are psalms, why do I want to take my 507 00:29:27,610 --> 00:29:30,110 Speaker 1: enemy's baby and bash its head against the rock? I 508 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:34,650 Speaker 1: know that's grotesque. That is literally there in the psalms. 509 00:29:35,170 --> 00:29:39,850 Speaker 1: There's songs about human love and emotion and community and friendship. 510 00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: And so that's why I am mistrustful of the philosophy 511 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: that says that in order to please God, it must 512 00:29:51,460 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: be sung to God. Because the Psalms themselves, yeah, a 513 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,690 Speaker 1: lot of them are sung to God. A lot of 514 00:29:57,730 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: them are history retellings, which is kind of what I 515 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,180 Speaker 1: see in The Code of Many Colors. It's a reminder 516 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: of where you were. There's a lot of psalms that 517 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: are straight up retelling of the story of Exodus. It's people, 518 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: this is where we were, and this is where we 519 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,980 Speaker 1: came from. So stories about your family in song or 520 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: stories about the pleasure that a parent takes in their 521 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,030 Speaker 1: child or a child takes in their parent, right? They're 522 00:30:26,130 --> 00:30:28,150 Speaker 1: all in Psalms, so they can all show up in 523 00:30:28,190 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: Christian music or in any music that we choose to 524 00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:31,100 Speaker 1: listen to. 525 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 2: That's my opinion. 526 00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I want to go somewhere slightly different. I 527 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:42,770 Speaker 1: want to walk people through what I do when I 528 00:30:42,830 --> 00:30:47,930 Speaker 1: really want to meditate on a song through the Bible. 529 00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:52,650 Speaker 1: And so I will sometimes do this with like a 530 00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:56,450 Speaker 1: song that I'm going to be leading in church. And 531 00:30:56,470 --> 00:31:00,540 Speaker 1: I want it to be more meaningful than just, I've 532 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,820 Speaker 1: said these lyrics dozens of times, so I know the song. 533 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: And I'm going to show you how to do it 534 00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: even with a secular song. So I'm going to do 535 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,580 Speaker 1: Light of a Clear Blue Morning. I've got this old NIV. 536 00:31:13,660 --> 00:31:17,070 Speaker 1: Some of you have heard my rants about how they 537 00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:19,530 Speaker 1: changed the NIV and it has very little to do 538 00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:23,090 Speaker 1: with like the actual new translation or the philosophy behind 539 00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:26,510 Speaker 1: the new translation. And everything to do with, I memorized 540 00:31:26,550 --> 00:31:30,460 Speaker 1: some of these passages a certain way, and I'm not 541 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,110 Speaker 1: changing it up. 542 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,940 Speaker 2: And you can almost not find that version anymore. 543 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: This was literally the last one. Because after we had 544 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: that conversation is when I'm like, you know what? I'm 545 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: just buying this. This was the last one on Amazon. 546 00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: So sorry if you're looking for it. eBay still has some. 547 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,270 Speaker 1: But the other thing I like about this specific Bible, 548 00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:52,390 Speaker 1: I believe it's the Zondervan Study Bible. And it's got... 549 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:57,180 Speaker 1: very thorough cross references. So I'm going to show you 550 00:31:57,220 --> 00:32:01,550 Speaker 1: what I do with concordance and cross references when I 551 00:32:01,610 --> 00:32:04,390 Speaker 1: really want to meditate to the words to a song. 552 00:32:05,170 --> 00:32:08,030 Speaker 1: So the first line of the song says, it's been 553 00:32:08,050 --> 00:32:10,210 Speaker 1: a long dark night. And I'm going to pause right there. 554 00:32:10,270 --> 00:32:12,970 Speaker 1: And I'm going to go to my concordance and look 555 00:32:13,070 --> 00:32:16,710 Speaker 1: up either dark or night. And yes, I know that 556 00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:21,330 Speaker 1: there are digital concordances or even Google concordances. that would 557 00:32:21,370 --> 00:32:24,630 Speaker 1: do this way faster. And I have just decided that 558 00:32:24,670 --> 00:32:28,330 Speaker 1: there is something about slowing down and turning the pages 559 00:32:28,390 --> 00:32:30,510 Speaker 1: that helps it sink in for me. So this is 560 00:32:30,550 --> 00:32:32,900 Speaker 1: what I like to do. So I'm just going to 561 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,820 Speaker 1: look up dark and I'm doing all of this on 562 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: the fly. So you're going to have to put up 563 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:42,340 Speaker 1: with me while I flip pages. And then my Bible 564 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,620 Speaker 1: has maybe like half a dozen verses that have the 565 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,450 Speaker 1: word dark in it. And I'm going to go to 566 00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:51,090 Speaker 1: Romans 2.12, a light for those who are in the dark. 567 00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:55,390 Speaker 1: So I'm going to look up Romans 2.12. Sometimes Scott 568 00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:59,190 Speaker 1: and I call this Bible bingo. And I forget how 569 00:32:59,230 --> 00:33:04,180 Speaker 1: we got to bingo with it. But it's basically like, 570 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, the game Six Degrees to Kevin Bacon. 571 00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:08,219 Speaker 2: Kind of thing. 572 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: It's like this on really long car trips before like 573 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,130 Speaker 1: audiobooks and everything. I used to have this Bible and 574 00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:16,410 Speaker 1: we would start with a random verse and see how 575 00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:19,950 Speaker 1: long we could cross-reference until we got to John 3. 576 00:33:19,950 --> 00:33:22,170 Speaker 2: And that was just good. 577 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,700 Speaker 1: All right. So 2.12 says, if you are convinced that 578 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,660 Speaker 1: you are a guide for the blind, a light for 579 00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: those who are in the dark. And then I'm going 580 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,959 Speaker 1: to go to my cross-reference for Romans 2. This one's 581 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:37,470 Speaker 1: Romans 2.19. I think I started with a different verse. 582 00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:40,030 Speaker 1: But then basically it leads me to all kinds of 583 00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:42,570 Speaker 1: other verses. So I'm just popping back and forth. The 584 00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:45,370 Speaker 1: verses that I go to often have the same theme 585 00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:49,050 Speaker 1: because of kind of the keyword that I started with. 586 00:33:49,410 --> 00:33:52,850 Speaker 1: And I basically just go until I feel like I've 587 00:33:53,010 --> 00:33:56,710 Speaker 1: exhausted that thread. And then I go to the very 588 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,420 Speaker 1: next line of the song and it says, I've been 589 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,660 Speaker 1: waiting for the morning. So then I'm going to do 590 00:34:01,700 --> 00:34:03,670 Speaker 1: the exact same thing. I won't do it live for you, 591 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: but I'm going to go to my concordance and look 592 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,400 Speaker 1: up morning. I'm going to find a verse listed in 593 00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:12,899 Speaker 1: the concordance that catches my eye. And no, I don't 594 00:34:12,940 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: feel like it's the Holy Spirit leading me to a 595 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,060 Speaker 1: specific verse. I don't feel like there's a Holy Spirit 596 00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:23,690 Speaker 1: magic happening here. I feel like this is just a 597 00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:27,009 Speaker 1: fun way for me to interact with Scripture. I mean, 598 00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:29,129 Speaker 1: it is a little bit like a word hunt or 599 00:34:29,150 --> 00:34:32,489 Speaker 1: a scavenger hunt, you know? And then it also is 600 00:34:32,770 --> 00:34:36,860 Speaker 1: a way— I know that my brain works well when it 601 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:38,780 Speaker 1: can make a lot of different connections. 602 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,140 Speaker 2: Yes, mine too. 603 00:34:40,890 --> 00:34:42,940 Speaker 1: If I'm watching a Broadway musical and I think I 604 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: recognize somebody, I love going and being like, did I 605 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: see you in this? Oh, that's where I saw you from. 606 00:34:49,020 --> 00:34:53,620 Speaker 1: And making those connections helps me. It doesn't just scratch 607 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,590 Speaker 1: an intellectual itch is what I'm saying. It truly helps 608 00:34:56,660 --> 00:35:00,049 Speaker 1: me feel like I am now oriented in this. And 609 00:35:00,150 --> 00:35:03,270 Speaker 1: so when I make these connections with my cross references, 610 00:35:03,350 --> 00:35:06,009 Speaker 1: maybe after this, I'll end up with having read three 611 00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:09,150 Speaker 1: to five different verses about the morning or the sun 612 00:35:09,350 --> 00:35:12,469 Speaker 1: or the light. And maybe one of them is really, 613 00:35:12,530 --> 00:35:14,670 Speaker 1: really going to speak to me. So I'm going to 614 00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:16,910 Speaker 1: cross-reference that one. And the next thing I know, I'm 615 00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:21,810 Speaker 1: going to be, you know, in psalms talking and my 616 00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:23,610 Speaker 1: next verse is going to have nothing to do with 617 00:35:23,650 --> 00:35:26,490 Speaker 1: this original Dolly song. And I'm going to be doing 618 00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:31,910 Speaker 1: psalms about protection. But I'm just kind of letting each, 619 00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:35,790 Speaker 1: it's like word association. I'm letting each verse take me 620 00:35:35,850 --> 00:35:38,410 Speaker 1: to another verse that takes me to another verse. And 621 00:35:38,430 --> 00:35:44,859 Speaker 1: it is really like, free association. And it's getting me interacting. 622 00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: And I don't mean that figuratively, like I'm literally interacting 623 00:35:48,219 --> 00:35:50,939 Speaker 1: because that's why I like flipping the pages. I'm real 624 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: tactile that way. Interacting with scripture. I am literally like 625 00:35:54,340 --> 00:35:57,250 Speaker 1: walking my fingers through the pages of scripture and walking 626 00:35:57,290 --> 00:36:00,250 Speaker 1: my eyes through the pages of scripture. So I'm orienting 627 00:36:00,290 --> 00:36:04,770 Speaker 1: myself in this entire beautiful gift of a book that 628 00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:09,009 Speaker 1: God has given us. And so, yeah, I would just 629 00:36:09,460 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: really go line by line. And yeah, there's going to 630 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:13,379 Speaker 1: be some lines where I'm going to be like, yeah, 631 00:36:13,420 --> 00:36:18,060 Speaker 1: I got nothing there. So maybe everything's going to be 632 00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: all right that's been all wrong. Maybe I'm going to say, yeah, 633 00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: that lyric doesn't do anything for me. So I'm just 634 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,009 Speaker 1: going to go to the next one. And no, I 635 00:36:25,090 --> 00:36:30,270 Speaker 1: am not looking for God to mysteriously speak mysteries of 636 00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:33,910 Speaker 1: the universe to me through a Dolly Parton song. I'm 637 00:36:34,210 --> 00:36:39,860 Speaker 1: literally just using it as my base for finding out 638 00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:41,940 Speaker 1: more about God and spending more time with him in 639 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,690 Speaker 1: his word. It's similar. This is another car trip game 640 00:36:46,730 --> 00:36:48,069 Speaker 1: my husband and I used to do. One of us 641 00:36:48,090 --> 00:36:51,510 Speaker 1: would start with a song and then the next person 642 00:36:51,550 --> 00:36:54,230 Speaker 1: would have to come up with another song that shared 643 00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:56,950 Speaker 1: a lyric with that song and we'd see how long 644 00:36:56,989 --> 00:36:59,299 Speaker 1: we could keep the chain going. And so it's like this, 645 00:36:59,340 --> 00:37:01,940 Speaker 1: how many Bible verses can I find that are inspiring 646 00:37:01,980 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: and uplifting just based off of this one song? I'll 647 00:37:05,380 --> 00:37:08,259 Speaker 1: tell you, it's a lot. And it was probably the 648 00:37:09,100 --> 00:37:12,980 Speaker 1: It's less than two years ago that Dolly Parton released 649 00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: a new version of this song with a lot of singers. 650 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,980 Speaker 1: And it's beautiful. And it's got this gospel choir. I 651 00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:20,739 Speaker 1: remember sending it to you. I listened to the whole thing. 652 00:37:21,070 --> 00:37:23,710 Speaker 1: And then I immediately texted it to you. And then 653 00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:25,890 Speaker 1: I immediately listened to it again because I knew that 654 00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:27,450 Speaker 1: that would mean that you and I were listening to 655 00:37:27,489 --> 00:37:31,770 Speaker 1: about the same part. And it got to the gospel choir. 656 00:37:31,989 --> 00:37:33,730 Speaker 1: And I'm like, she's going to love this part. 657 00:37:33,810 --> 00:37:34,650 Speaker 2: It's really beautiful. 658 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:37,609 Speaker 1: So please accept that as some listener homework as well 659 00:37:37,650 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: if you want some. So yeah, Dolly Parton, Light a 660 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,980 Speaker 1: Clear Blue Morning. And yeah, let's just go ahead and 661 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: close with a reminder that if it's not sin, it 662 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,770 Speaker 1: can be worshipped too. And that God is delighted when 663 00:37:53,830 --> 00:37:58,390 Speaker 1: we take every aspect of the human experience, even a 664 00:37:59,430 --> 00:38:01,130 Speaker 1: coat that your mom made out of rags, or a 665 00:38:01,230 --> 00:38:04,090 Speaker 1: song about a coat that your mom made out of rags, 666 00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:10,770 Speaker 1: or a television jingle, right? For people who want to 667 00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:13,709 Speaker 1: go way overboard, take a television jingle that you haven't 668 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:16,790 Speaker 1: thought of in decades and see how that can lead 669 00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:18,710 Speaker 1: you to worship or to pray. That's the one other 670 00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:22,669 Speaker 1: aspect we hadn't talked as much about is what can 671 00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:25,550 Speaker 1: each line of a song or each phrase of a 672 00:38:25,570 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: song guide you to pray for? So think about a 673 00:38:29,180 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: jingle and be like, okay, what can I pray for 674 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,819 Speaker 1: from this? Not because God infused a message subliminally for 675 00:38:36,860 --> 00:38:41,129 Speaker 1: you when that television jingle was invented, but because why not? 676 00:38:41,330 --> 00:38:42,990 Speaker 1: Everything can be a springboard for prayer. 677 00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:46,650 Speaker 2: That needs to be a t-shirt. It's like gratitude. 678 00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:47,890 Speaker 1: It's a little long for a t-shirt. 679 00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:52,020 Speaker 2: Anyone can cook. Well, everything can be a springboard for prayer. 680 00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:53,300 Speaker 2: That'll be our next t-shirt. 681 00:38:53,739 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: Perfect. 682 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,879 Speaker 2: All right. 683 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,819 Speaker 1: Well, thanks everyone for listening. And I'll just close with 684 00:38:59,930 --> 00:39:02,190 Speaker 1: a God thank you for Dolly Parton and her light 685 00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:06,259 Speaker 1: and her music and We wish her family and her 686 00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:10,620 Speaker 1: loved ones joy and comfort. We wish her legacy to 687 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,890 Speaker 1: be such a blessing to everyone. And I hope that 688 00:39:13,950 --> 00:39:17,609 Speaker 1: everyone listening is blessed and encouraged by whatever you put 689 00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:19,610 Speaker 1: on your playlist today. Amen. 690 00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:25,250 Speaker 2: We'd like to take just a quick second to thank 691 00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:27,670 Speaker 2: the team at Life Audio for their partnership with us 692 00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:31,330 Speaker 2: on the podcast. If you go to lifeaudio.org, you will 693 00:39:31,350 --> 00:39:34,720 Speaker 2: find dozens of other faith-centered podcasts in their network. 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