WEBVTT - Has POTUS and VP made the case for attacking Iran?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm too, qot. We got a lot of news to

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<v Speaker 2>get through today. I'm going to start though, by saluting

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<v Speaker 2>two American originals. Jesse Jackson guy today and I had

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<v Speaker 2>the great fund of interviewing him in nineteen ninety one.

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<v Speaker 2>Came to my studio at KFI and was actually very very,

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<v Speaker 2>very funny and informed. He went full preacher when I said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a Republican. He stops. I'm gonna pray over you

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<v Speaker 2>right now, Jesus, let's pray over this man. And he

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<v Speaker 2>was just hilarious, and he was also funny, smart, He

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<v Speaker 2>had very great negatives and great great positives, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think we will see his like again. The nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four campaign was really extraordinary. And then one of

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<v Speaker 2>my very favorite actors, Robert Duvald died, and I loved

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<v Speaker 2>him for being Gus McRae in Lonesome Dove, but I

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<v Speaker 2>loved him in The Apostle probably more than anything else,

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<v Speaker 2>for acting, just pure acting. And of course the Godfather

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<v Speaker 2>not a wartime CONSIGLIORI Tom sorry all the way through,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll give his brief a rundown of his filmography.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I was driving in listening to John pod

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<v Speaker 2>Ortz talk about him today on the commentary podcast at

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<v Speaker 2>the Studio, I thought to myself, you know, duplexus cinemas

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<v Speaker 2>movie theaters now coming in three sizes. There's still an

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<v Speaker 2>occasional big screen out there, but mostly they come in

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<v Speaker 2>three sizes six screens, twelve screens, or twenty screens. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking even the six screen theaters because they're showing

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<v Speaker 2>the same movie three or four times, especially in the

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<v Speaker 2>twelves in the twenties, like you can go see the

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<v Speaker 2>Ping Pong movie with Timothy on like five different screens

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<v Speaker 2>every five minutes of the day. Just take one of

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<v Speaker 2>those screens and call it the guy screen, just guy screen.

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<v Speaker 2>You never advertise what's on, but you're just showing movies

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys. And I mean, my list is pretty

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<v Speaker 2>exped start with Duval pretty much. You can put on

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<v Speaker 2>the Great Santini, you could put on The Godfather, you

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<v Speaker 2>can put on Open Spaces, you can put on Old Lion,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want. Just Duval, He's great and everything. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you would add Gene Hackman, Clint Eastwood, right, Al Pacino,

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<v Speaker 2>Robertson Niro, Bruce Willis, Sylvester Stallone, Mel Gibson. You might

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<v Speaker 2>throw in Richard Rowntree for some diversity. Of course, Samuel L.

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson is in there somewhere, Schwarzenegger, maybe Michael Keaton. You

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<v Speaker 2>might be pushing the upper the lower end of the age.

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<v Speaker 2>If you go abroad, you can of course add Sean

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<v Speaker 2>Khan and Michael Kane. And here's prosident. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>just guy flicks and I'll ask Slycs about it later.

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<v Speaker 2>Just okay, we're not gonna we're not gonna throw anything

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<v Speaker 2>at you. Doesn't matter what time you come in. Two

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<v Speaker 2>dollars ticket, you go in, and you sit down, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're in the middle of the Godfather. There is an

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<v Speaker 2>American male over the age of forty who can walk

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<v Speaker 2>past The Godfather and not sit down and start watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>No matter except Godfather three. Nobody sits down and watches

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<v Speaker 2>that but every other and pod Ortz has got a

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<v Speaker 2>great story about that today, by the way, on the

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<v Speaker 2>commentary podcast. But Robert Duvall was my guest on the

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<v Speaker 2>program in twenty ten, and I remember one thing about it.

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<v Speaker 2>He was there to promote a different movie before the Oscar, Boaty,

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<v Speaker 2>So you know he was doing the Hollywood thing out

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<v Speaker 2>there promoting a movie. It wasn't for.

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<v Speaker 3>Himself, it was for his co star.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's that cut, cut number two, Robert de Vall, you

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<v Speaker 2>won the Oscar in nineteen eighty three for portraying this

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<v Speaker 2>alcoholic country singer Max Sledge and Tender Mercies. And now

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Ridges is nominated for Best Actor for playing bad

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<v Speaker 2>Blake and crazy Heart.

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<v Speaker 4>There's another alcoholic country singer.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you did you guys compare notes on these two

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<v Speaker 2>characters and how to how to get smart about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>an addicted drinker.

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<v Speaker 5>No, didn't compare notes at all. No, But he's gonna

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<v Speaker 5>win the He'll win the Oscar.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he shout it's a magnificent role. Do those

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<v Speaker 2>two characters have much in common?

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<v Speaker 5>The best performances this year are him and this and

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<v Speaker 5>the kid, the young guy in hurt Locker. You see

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<v Speaker 5>hert Locker?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, magnificent movie. Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 5>If we won't talk about that one, my movie is

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<v Speaker 5>a decade, but we won't talk about Okay, but.

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<v Speaker 2>What about bad Blake and Max Ledge? Are they are

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<v Speaker 2>they the same guy or are they different people?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? No, No, they're different, different different music, different guys,

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<v Speaker 5>different actors, you know, different guys similar similar back. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean it's like he's saying, is Merle Haggard the same

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<v Speaker 5>as Waylon Jennings or Wadlly Jennings the same as Johnny

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<v Speaker 5>Cash that they sing the same kinds of music, but

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<v Speaker 5>the different guys of an individuals, but somewhat similar journeys

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<v Speaker 5>in life, you know what I'm saying, especially from a

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<v Speaker 5>negative aspect, you know, a negative journey?

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<v Speaker 2>How did you come? How'd you come by your knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>of alcoholics? I mean, what, how do you train up

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<v Speaker 2>to play that?

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<v Speaker 3>Or do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Play Wayne? In this movie? To play what to play Wayne?

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<v Speaker 2>The friend?

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<v Speaker 6>Is this?

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<v Speaker 2>What was interesting about this? He's eighty years old and

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't hear very well sixteen years ago, but what

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<v Speaker 2>I really Jeremy Renner was the guy in Hurt Locker,

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<v Speaker 2>he said best movie of the decade. Right, so he

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<v Speaker 2>is He's booked to come on to promote Jeff Bridges

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<v Speaker 2>in a different movie, and he cannot not promote the

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<v Speaker 2>hurt Locker because that's who he was. I mean, I've

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<v Speaker 2>watched pretty much every Robert Duvall movie a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>times because I just think he's such a fabulous actor.

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<v Speaker 2>And he had nothing to do with Hollywood. I learned

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<v Speaker 2>today he played Stallin twice. I haven't seen those from

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<v Speaker 2>John pod Ortz. I knew he was an anti communist.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew he lived in Virginia. He loved horses, he

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<v Speaker 2>had a farm Mountain, Virginia, and he's kind of he's

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<v Speaker 2>just not into the Hollywood world. He just did his work.

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<v Speaker 2>He loved tango dancing. He made a movie about the

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<v Speaker 2>assassination Tango, which was one of his last flicks. He

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<v Speaker 2>also made Lay Down with Bill Murray, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>hilarious movie if you haven't seen it. But the Great

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<v Speaker 2>Santini is the one that makes the fetching missus Ui

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<v Speaker 2>cry because it's about the Marines. And my friend Glenn

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<v Speaker 2>Viyer's new Pat Conroy a little bit or knew pat

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<v Speaker 2>Conroy's dad. I can't quite remember it, but that's who

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<v Speaker 2>the great Santini is about, and it's magnificent. He should

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<v Speaker 2>have won the Best Actor for that. He wanted for

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<v Speaker 2>Tender Mercies. But the very best thing I can recommend

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone out there is that you watch Lonesome dub

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<v Speaker 2>If you haven't watched Lonesome Dough with Tom E Lee

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<v Speaker 2>Jones and Robert Duvall, you haven't watched great television. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the equal of any television ever made. I think Adam's

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<v Speaker 2>Bybo is up there. There are a few other series

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<v Speaker 2>made for television which are fabulous television, but that was

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<v Speaker 2>early on Lonesome and Blue Duck, Oh Blue Duck. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I loved the book, and I always wanted to interview

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<v Speaker 2>Larry McMurtry, but Carl wouldn't let me do it. He said, now,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not up to that, and he's probably right. I've

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<v Speaker 2>read everything by the late Larry McMurtry and Carl wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>let me interview him. But Blue Duck is the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>villain in villain land. And if you don't know who

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<v Speaker 2>Blue Duck is, then you haven't read Lonesome Dove. And

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<v Speaker 2>you ought to read Lonesome Dove. There are two prequels

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<v Speaker 2>and two sequels to Lonesome Dove. By the way, there

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<v Speaker 2>are five books in the McMurtry series. But the television

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<v Speaker 2>show it was on. When is Lonesome Dove, General Lisimo?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it the nineties or is it the eighties? Nineties?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know where it's available, if it's available anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you can go and get it, go and

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<v Speaker 2>get it. We will miss Robert Duvall, we will miss

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse Jackson. Now let's go to the president on Air

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<v Speaker 2>Force one cut number fifteen.

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<v Speaker 7>They're very unhappy that this improvement.

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<v Speaker 3>Forget getting voter ID. They want voter I D.

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<v Speaker 2>The population ninety eight percent, they want.

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<v Speaker 3>Voter I D.

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<v Speaker 7>They don't want voter right D because they want to

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<v Speaker 7>cheat in elections.

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<v Speaker 2>They also want other things.

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<v Speaker 7>They don't want mail in ballots, they want to end

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<v Speaker 7>mail in ballots were just corrupt. And one other thing

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<v Speaker 7>that their insisting owned this proof of citizenship. And the

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<v Speaker 7>Democrats don't want to give the proof of citizenship.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want to give voter I D.

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<v Speaker 3>Think of it. Who would want proof of citizenship?

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<v Speaker 2>I ask you stam, Yeah, people want to cheat. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>just be if it's not close, they can't cheat. Book

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote in two thousand and four maybe the book

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<v Speaker 2>that I wrote other than in but not of that's

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<v Speaker 2>sold the most and was on the New York Times

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<v Speaker 2>list for the longest because it's just a history of

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party cheating and it's well researched, and I know it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know the subject matter. It's in their DNA.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to cheat, and that's okay, that's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>the American drama. But we also need not to let

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<v Speaker 2>them cheat easily. They got to be smart about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is just too easy to go pick up ballots.

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<v Speaker 2>They are lying around places. You got to make them

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<v Speaker 2>work for it. If they're going to cheat. Then on

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<v Speaker 2>Air Force, when he gets asked about Iran, their foreign

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<v Speaker 2>mister came out and lied today and said they had

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<v Speaker 2>a great meeting and we're very close. No, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>cut number seventeen.

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<v Speaker 7>What are you expecting from these Iran talks at Geneva tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 7>So I'll be involved in those talks indirectly and they'll

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<v Speaker 7>be very important and we'll see what do happen. It's

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<v Speaker 7>been typically rants are very tough negotiator. They're good negotiators

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<v Speaker 7>or bad Togo. I would say they're bad negotiators because

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<v Speaker 7>we could add a deal instead of sending the B

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<v Speaker 7>twos into knock out their nuclear potential, and we had

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<v Speaker 7>to send the b twos.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope they're going to be more reasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to make a deal. It's ad that a

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<v Speaker 2>deal is next to impossible.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they want to make a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>That is. By the way, the great Steve Holland, Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Vive Holland is with Reuters. I've traveled abroad with him

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<v Speaker 2>when John Bolton with the NSA. We went abroad with

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<v Speaker 2>the four other reporters, Carrollly, a couple other people and Vivian.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a fabulous trip. But Steve Holland is a

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<v Speaker 2>pros pro. He's absolutely straight up. Listen, listen, let start

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<v Speaker 2>of that again. Just a straight up question, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you expecting from these Iran talks at Geneva tomorrow?

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<v Speaker 3>Saby?

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<v Speaker 2>That is a perfect question. What are you the president

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<v Speaker 2>expecting from this the Iran talk tomorrow? Meaning they were

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<v Speaker 2>talking on Monday, not today, Tuesday. And Steve Holland is

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<v Speaker 2>just a reporter, reporter. He is the brand the gold standard?

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<v Speaker 2>Just ask the question, get out of the way the answer. Bravo,

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Holland I'll be right back in architecture.

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<v Speaker 8>The bottom line is we into weeks some months in

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<v Speaker 8>terms of decision making.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're writing, people are hanging home. I attended a

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<v Speaker 4>rally of two.

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<v Speaker 2>Hundred and fifty thousand people on me.

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<v Speaker 6>That's one of the most satisfying experiences of my professional.

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<v Speaker 2>That is Lindsey Graham. I am you Ewan And my

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<v Speaker 2>guess is Josh Holmes, one of the fellows on the

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<v Speaker 2>Ruthless podcast, the farthest left on your radio dial as

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<v Speaker 2>you go left or right. But not politically, mister Holmes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you worked with one Lindsey Graham's team and

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<v Speaker 2>the Senator himself when you're in the Senate when he

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<v Speaker 2>says that, is he doing wish fulfillment or do you

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<v Speaker 2>think he's accurately gauging the situation?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I think he sees himself as holding down, you know.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, however, you want to brand it the neocon

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<v Speaker 8>version of the party or whatever, but he has a

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<v Speaker 8>very specific point of view when it comes to international

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<v Speaker 8>conflict in America's role in the world, and he's always

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<v Speaker 8>done that. I mean, look, there's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>iterations Lindsey Graham over the years, but this is one

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<v Speaker 8>consistency that he is fulfilled. And I think, honestly, whether

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<v Speaker 8>or not it plays a hugehuge component into what it

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<v Speaker 8>is that Trump administration decides to do here remains to

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<v Speaker 8>be seen, but I think he's he's look, it's a

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<v Speaker 8>segment of the party.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you know, it's my segment of the party. I

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<v Speaker 2>love Lindsey Graham and I like to By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>this is in good humor. Lindsay's a political cicada. He

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<v Speaker 2>shows up every six years when he's running for reelection,

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<v Speaker 2>does the show a lot, and then he goes away

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<v Speaker 2>for five years because that's who he is, and so

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<v Speaker 2>he comes up out of the ground and so he'll

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<v Speaker 2>be on a lot. But he never stopped talking about

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<v Speaker 2>national security, and I'm now I'm always impressed by that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's been consistent for as long as he's been in

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<v Speaker 2>the House and the Senate.

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<v Speaker 6>Josh Holmes, Yeah, no, I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, look, Lindsay is an interesting fit for today's

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<v Speaker 8>day and age in the Republican Party in that his

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<v Speaker 8>point of view is not particularly different than it was

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<v Speaker 8>in the immediate post Iraq war point of view.

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<v Speaker 6>He articulates it forcefully, he.

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<v Speaker 8>Does it unapologetic, and he invites all comers to critique

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<v Speaker 8>him on a day to day basis. And so look,

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<v Speaker 8>I think he plays a valuable role, much in the

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<v Speaker 8>same way that other elements of the party do too.

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<v Speaker 8>I think this particular moment in time suggests that there's

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<v Speaker 8>an awful lot of Trump foreign policy that follows his

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<v Speaker 8>point of view, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I hope it continues. Now, Josh, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to turn to the Senate. I have an article today

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<v Speaker 2>for Fox Knows, our employer, and it's about the talking filibuster.

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<v Speaker 2>And the short version is not now, not ever never.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a terrible idea that a majority leader would lose

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<v Speaker 2>control of the floor. It would eat up precious floor time.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea if you've talked about this, because

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't listened to today's show. Yeah, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>of the talking Philip? But I love Mike Lee. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, good Man belongs on the Supreme Court. Maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>but the talking filibuster is a terrible ideas.

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<v Speaker 8>It's sort of how I feel about professors versus practitioners

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<v Speaker 8>in that they're a whole bunch of ideas that would

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<v Speaker 8>make what you want in this particular moment in time attainable.

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<v Speaker 6>But if you look at the longer view.

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<v Speaker 8>Of practitioners in the field, I can tell you, as

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<v Speaker 8>somebody who served the highest levels of senior leadership in

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<v Speaker 8>the United States Senate between two thousand and eight and

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<v Speaker 8>twenty fourteen, the amount of horrible ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>That have been stopped.

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<v Speaker 8>By the United States Senate as a result of the

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<v Speaker 8>philib You all would have full socialism, we would have

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<v Speaker 8>nationalized healthcare, we would have open borders codified by a

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<v Speaker 8>statutory By the way, everything that the left is complaining

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<v Speaker 8>about that Donald Trump is doing in terms of deportations,

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<v Speaker 8>they're complaining against statutes written by the Congress and signed

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<v Speaker 8>into law by the President of the United States.

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<v Speaker 6>If not for the filibuster, one of that would exist.

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<v Speaker 8>So I find it just incredibly short sighted that you

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<v Speaker 8>would ever get rid of the filibuster for a fairly

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<v Speaker 8>modest goal in comparison to what the left would love

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<v Speaker 8>to get the filibuster done with, in order to remake

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<v Speaker 8>the American economy and.

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<v Speaker 2>Expand the Supreme Court and make Puerto Rico, which would

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<v Speaker 2>be constitutionally a state. DC cannot constitutionally be made a state,

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<v Speaker 2>but they would try. Now, Josh, I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>to one more topic with you. Ruthless podcast has got

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<v Speaker 2>a gazillion producers because your listeners are producers. You got

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<v Speaker 2>four hosts, you got four producers, and then you got

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<v Speaker 2>the fellows behind the cameras who are producers. I still

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<v Speaker 2>want to suggest something for you. Did you listen to

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<v Speaker 2>former President Obama's interview on Saturday Night with Brian Tyler Cohen?

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<v Speaker 8>We did one I listened to it, but two more importantly,

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<v Speaker 8>listen to you and break that down in just the

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<v Speaker 8>vacuus snake of the entire conversation. I will say Duncan

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<v Speaker 8>on our team took particular problems with the alien thing,

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<v Speaker 8>where he's like, hey, do you believe that aliens exist?

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<v Speaker 6>And he's like, they do exist?

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<v Speaker 2>And then no follow up.

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<v Speaker 8>No, like yes, the former president United States says aliens exist,

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<v Speaker 8>and you don't ask him, well, how do you know

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<v Speaker 8>the exist?

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<v Speaker 6>Where are they?

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<v Speaker 8>How do they work? Like no follow up whatsoever. It

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<v Speaker 8>seems like a pretty big development for something you just.

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of like sunk and got to the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the interview. Then I was on a plane. I was trapped,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had nothing to do except watch it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the worst interview in terms of a professional interviewer I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard. There is no follow up. They don't ask

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<v Speaker 2>him about thirty five thousand dead Iranians with weapons provided

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<v Speaker 2>by the billion and a half dollars in Pallette money

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<v Speaker 2>that we sent him. I only got through fifteen minutes. Josh,

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<v Speaker 2>have you guys gone deeper?

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<v Speaker 6>I think Duncan has.

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<v Speaker 8>I like you have a tolerance for this sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 8>because I've sort of just accepted the fact that it's

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<v Speaker 8>all vacuous, it's all nonsensical, and it's all about trying

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<v Speaker 8>to promote your point of view to people who don't

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<v Speaker 8>do the homework, and that's like the model day Democratic Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Well put, if nobody knows anything, Obama sounds pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>in that interview if they don't know anything about him. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that that's true about AOC. Here's the

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<v Speaker 2>President of United States on Air Force one yesterday, cut

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<v Speaker 2>number fourteen.

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<v Speaker 7>By the way, I watched AOC answering questions in Munich.

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<v Speaker 2>This was not a good look for the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>but he goes on to say Gavin's not a good

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<v Speaker 2>look either. What do you make of that display?

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<v Speaker 6>She has absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 8>The only thing more dangerous than somebody who has absolutely

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<v Speaker 8>no idea what they're talking about is somebody who doesn't

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<v Speaker 8>know they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, and.

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<v Speaker 6>That is AOC.

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<v Speaker 8>I think the problem is that she's much more dangerous

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<v Speaker 8>to your regular American than people think, and that they

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<v Speaker 8>see her and they think she's just like, she can't

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<v Speaker 8>tell she doesn't know what she's talking about. All of

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<v Speaker 8>us sort of dismiss that.

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<v Speaker 6>Her whole goal is to.

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<v Speaker 8>Try to consolidate people who don't go that far.

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<v Speaker 6>They don't think.

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<v Speaker 8>About this, this this far, and they try to make

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<v Speaker 8>these cases that have no historical basis of success whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you think stage that the Cowboys didn't come from Spain?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you think that.

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<v Speaker 6>Stage I would hope, Yeah, no, I would hope. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>her name is, last name is Cortes. How do you

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<v Speaker 6>think that happened? How do you think that happens?

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<v Speaker 9>You know?

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<v Speaker 8>I love that, I just I can't, I literally can't

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<v Speaker 8>with this person. But there's so much of the electorate

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<v Speaker 8>that she's so last.

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<v Speaker 2>I had not thought about that until this moment, Josh Holmes.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you guys talk about that on today's show?

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<v Speaker 4>We didn't.

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<v Speaker 6>I just thought about that right now on Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you gotta we got to go back and

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<v Speaker 2>play the tape. It's sort of like a bad Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>bad interview Josh Holmes, always a pleasure, paulham At Holmes,

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<v Speaker 2>Josh on X. Listen to the Routhless podcast three.

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<v Speaker 10>Days a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Her last name is cart Thank you, Josh Day tuned America.

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<v Speaker 11>You are starting to see the ascent of the right,

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<v Speaker 11>even in places like Munich. Marco Rubio's speech was a

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<v Speaker 11>pure appeal to Western culture. My favorite part was when

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<v Speaker 11>he said that American cowboys came from Spain.

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<v Speaker 12>I believe the Mexicans and.

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<v Speaker 11>Descendants of African.

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<v Speaker 6>Slave enslaved people's would like.

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<v Speaker 2>To have a word welcome back America. That is the

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<v Speaker 2>aforementioned AOC. I am joined by David M. Drucker of

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<v Speaker 2>The Dispatch. David Josh Holmes just said, her last name

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<v Speaker 2>is Cortez. Why is she missing?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, I mean talk to the people in New Mexico,

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<v Speaker 13>because there's a long line of Spanish descendants Americans for

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<v Speaker 13>many generations over. But look this, this continent has been

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<v Speaker 13>enriched by people from all over Europe, not to mention

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<v Speaker 13>people from Central and South America.

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<v Speaker 2>So who knows, well, horses aren't native to North and

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<v Speaker 2>South America. That's been always the rap on the Book

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<v Speaker 2>of Mormon, right, is that that's got horses in it.

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<v Speaker 2>There weren't any horses here.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not aware of

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<v Speaker 13>that detail, but I'm not just missing it. But like

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<v Speaker 13>we all know that, we all learned that in grade school.

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<v Speaker 13>Even if we've forgotten it. You know, I've probably forgotten

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<v Speaker 13>more than I remember, but when you mention it, it

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<v Speaker 13>all sounds familiar. AOC is a very good politician. She's

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<v Speaker 13>very good at connecting with people. She's a very adept populist.

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<v Speaker 13>But there are many things she does not appear to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she's going to be their nominee, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we would be we being Republicans, not you being

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<v Speaker 2>a journalist who is nonpartisan, but I being a Republican partisan,

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<v Speaker 2>We would be well advised not to underestimator, despite the

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<v Speaker 2>fact she gives us ample reason to do so. David.

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<v Speaker 2>You are a native southern California, aren't you. I am, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so I want to know. You're younger than I am

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<v Speaker 2>by a lot. But when you would go to big

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<v Speaker 2>movies in your teen days, would you go to Westwood

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<v Speaker 2>or would you go down to Newport Beach to Big Newport?

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<v Speaker 13>So you know, I grew up in Malibu and hung

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<v Speaker 13>out in Santa Monica and West La So I always

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<v Speaker 13>went to Westwood Village. We had the Man Bruin, We

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<v Speaker 13>have the Man Village. I think those two big theaters

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<v Speaker 13>are still there. And then there were a bunch of

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<v Speaker 13>others in Westwood Village that were very large.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's where I grew up seeing movies.

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<v Speaker 2>So I learned a couple of weeks ago that Big Newport.

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<v Speaker 2>I only moved to California in seventy eight, and I

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<v Speaker 2>started going to movies in Big Newport when I lived

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<v Speaker 2>in Orange County. But I go to Westwood as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and those theaters are dinosaurs and they're tearing down Big Newport.

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<v Speaker 2>I bring it up because Robert Duval died and I

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<v Speaker 2>think the Godfather on a small screen would not have

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<v Speaker 2>been the Godfather.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, I think one of the things that we're missing

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<v Speaker 13>just because of innovation and the evolution of the entertainment

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<v Speaker 13>industry is that movies were big shared cultural phenomenon, right.

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, I remember as a kid in kindergarten, which

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<v Speaker 13>would have been nineteen seventy six ish seventy five seventy six,

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<v Speaker 13>and Star Wars was the biggest the first Star Wars,

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<v Speaker 13>the very first, which was you know, technically number three

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<v Speaker 13>or six or whatever the heck it is in the storyline,

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<v Speaker 13>was the biggest thing to ever hit movie theaters at

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<v Speaker 13>that time, and it was such a.

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<v Speaker 3>Shared cultural phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 4>My parents and actually take me to.

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<v Speaker 13>See it, but I just told everybody I saw it

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<v Speaker 13>because I didn't want to be left out. And you know,

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<v Speaker 13>you couldn't see movies any other way but in the

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<v Speaker 13>theater back then, except you waited five or six or

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<v Speaker 13>seven years, and then you could see with commercials on

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<v Speaker 13>network television.

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<v Speaker 6>So it just I love the way things are.

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars a Newport in the summer of nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I won't ever forget it, But I'm just curious

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<v Speaker 2>if they had the same experience in Westwood that I

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<v Speaker 2>did in Big Newport. You know, the lines existed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to get in the line, you couldn't reserve a seat,

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<v Speaker 2>so the lines would be out there for forty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes an hour. You would wait and then inevitably someone

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<v Speaker 2>would cut it in the front and they went to USC.

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<v Speaker 13>Was that your experience completely? I saw in nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 13>nine I graduated from high school. We went from Santa

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<v Speaker 13>Monica to Westwood Village and got in line for the

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<v Speaker 13>midnight showing and it was blocks long, and they ran

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<v Speaker 13>out of tickets for a midnight showing. That's just how

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:00.920
<v Speaker 13>big of a deal movies were. But you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 13>it's a company town in LA and in southern California broadly,

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:08.960
<v Speaker 13>but again, it shared cultural experiences that are not quite

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.719
<v Speaker 13>the same now, just given all of the different ways

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 13>we can see movies first run.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know you're a bruined, but can you confirm

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<v Speaker 2>that they had a class at trojan Land where how

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<v Speaker 2>to cut into line and say I'm from USC? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that what did they teach that at USC?

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<v Speaker 13>I don't doubt it. I mean anything that's uncouth or unethical.

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<v Speaker 13>They probably talked that's.

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<v Speaker 2>It, that's it. And I can't help but that their

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 2>band doesn't have trumpets. They'd never had trumpets, and people

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.560
<v Speaker 2>get upset about that. David, would you go to the

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Rose Bowl for UCLA brewin games? Were you the guy

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:41.720
<v Speaker 2>that was there?

0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I was there.

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:45.719
<v Speaker 4>In fact, I grew up.

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:47.960
<v Speaker 13>I never missed almost never missed a home game from

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:49.840
<v Speaker 13>but basically my entire childhood.

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<v Speaker 4>My father adopted UCLA back.

0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 13>In the forties when they played at the Coliseum and

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.359
<v Speaker 13>didn't really have much of a program compared to USC,

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 13>so we adopt to the underdog, and I grew up

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 13>first going to the Coliseum and then.

0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 4>The Rose Ball.

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<v Speaker 13>It's really the only thing I really miss about living

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 13>in southern California is UCLA football and basketball games notwithstanding,

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:12.640
<v Speaker 13>and I've not had much cheer about, but I still

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 13>miss it.

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Did you Are you old enough to have gone to

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:16.879
<v Speaker 2>see Wooden in his prime?

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<v Speaker 13>I'm old enough that I was there for games, but

0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.200
<v Speaker 13>I do not remember them because I'm not old enough

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<v Speaker 13>to have remembered them.

0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:26.479
<v Speaker 4>But I went to his basketball camps.

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<v Speaker 13>You dad had very experiences, Oh yeah, and where he coached,

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, and he was very active at his camps.

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 13>I would get his autograph, I would eat meals with him.

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 13>We used to they used to do the basketball camp

0:25:39.280 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 13>at cal Lutheran University, and it was at the same

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 13>time that the Dallas Cowboys were there for training camp.

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 13>So I was hanging I mean I say hanging out,

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:48.680
<v Speaker 13>I mean we'd be in the same mess hall, as

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 13>Tony Dorr said in All of Them. You know, it

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 13>was a different world back then.

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 2>Very Chargers used to train at UCI. Did John Woodin

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:57.680
<v Speaker 2>teach you how to tie your shoes at his camp,

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.120
<v Speaker 2>because that's how he opens his books.

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 13>Double socks, tire shoes And almost everything he taught us

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.719
<v Speaker 13>was without a basketball. All of the defensive drills, all

0:26:07.760 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 13>of the shooting drills, there was no basketball involved. It

0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 13>was all about muscle memory and fundamentals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Help you right about that, David. Because I'm not

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:18.760
<v Speaker 2>a California and I'm a transplant. But everyone who's a

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.200
<v Speaker 2>native had lunch with John Mooton at some point or

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:24.800
<v Speaker 2>knew him somewhere because he was ubiquitous. He was also

0:26:25.359 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 2>such a good person and lived modestly. I think out

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.959
<v Speaker 2>in the valley somewhere after he retired, and we'll go

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:33.960
<v Speaker 2>to breakfast at the same place every day. Have you

0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:34.840
<v Speaker 2>ever written about him?

0:26:36.440 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 13>I've never written about him. He never made, if my

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:42.119
<v Speaker 13>memory service, he never made more than twenty seven thousand

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 13>dollars annually as the head coach of the UCLA Bruins

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:48.399
<v Speaker 13>men's basketball program. He ended up in Encino. He would

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 13>go to the same diner or coffee shop every day,

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:54.119
<v Speaker 13>and I were forgetting the name. And he ended up

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:55.880
<v Speaker 13>making money then later as a sneaker.

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:57.400
<v Speaker 3>But what am I.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought, David, if you can stick around, I want to

0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 2>ask you about Jesse Jackson, since you're a political writer

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 2>and you remember that. So I'm going to get two

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>minutes of David Drucker on the other side about Jesse Jackson.

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't go anywhere America. I'm huge it. Welcome back in America.

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm Hugh Hewett, David Drucker. I asked you to stick

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>around because you've covered Jesse Jackson for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>What's his place in American political history?

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<v Speaker 13>I mean, he's an iconic democratic politician and social activist,

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:30.159
<v Speaker 13>you know. I mean he's one of those politicians or

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:33.639
<v Speaker 13>activists that you know in the in the eighties in particular,

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:37.440
<v Speaker 13>just for somebody of my age, you know, I knew

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 13>who the president was, I knew who the governor was

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 13>and Jesse Jackson is somebody who I knew who he

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.679
<v Speaker 13>was because he had just a very sort of he

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:50.880
<v Speaker 13>was a ubiquitous presence. But you know, he was somebody

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:55.639
<v Speaker 13>who just was a major figure. Now obviously, you know,

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 13>there are plenty of things he did for conservatives to

0:27:58.320 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 13>disagree with, not not Democrats didn't agree with them all

0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.840
<v Speaker 13>the time. He said, sometimes said and did things that

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 13>were that he shouldn't have said. And that's you know,

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 13>there was there was the HEIMI toown remark that he

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 13>made with anti Semitic overtones. But when you're just looking

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 13>for an influential figure with longevity and American politics, who

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 13>was very influential and who Democrats will tell you really

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.199
<v Speaker 13>you know, in a sense forced them to loosen the

0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 13>rules of the nominating process, which later cleared the way

0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.360
<v Speaker 13>for somebody like Barack Obama to have a shot as

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:38.479
<v Speaker 13>an outsider in the Democratic primary. And who was a

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 13>mentor to other African American activists, civil rights activists. I mean,

0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:49.160
<v Speaker 13>I mean, the man's career is hard.

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<v Speaker 2>To match, well said, an extraordinary career with its valleys,

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 2>with its peaks, and a fellow who will be remembered

0:28:57.040 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 2>for years and years and years. David M. Drukkernak, thank

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:02.400
<v Speaker 2>you for joining me from the dispatch. I wanted someone

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 2>who covered him to actually condense that, and you did it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you friend. Come back round number two today, as

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 2>you do. A ship foundation is not then, As Josh

0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Holmes noted in last hour, her last name is Cortes.

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:17.200
<v Speaker 2>She ought to know about the Spanish and horses. I'm

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.280
<v Speaker 2>joined by Brett Behar, anchor Special Report. Of course he's

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 2>America as an anchor and you can watch him every

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 2>night at six on the Fox News Channel. Brett Aoc

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:27.959
<v Speaker 2>kind of stepped in it a couple of times in Munich.

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<v Speaker 2>Any lasting damage in your assessment, I.

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<v Speaker 10>Don't think it was good you. I mean, I think

0:29:33.720 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 10>if your your purpose was to go over there and

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 10>show your foreign policy shops, I think you needed to

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 10>read up on the brief on some of those issues

0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 10>at Taiwan. Is not a surprise question, and one would

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 10>think that of the things that you got to bone

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 10>up on Taiwan would be one of them. But listen,

0:29:55.960 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 10>this is it lasting damage. I don't think it's it's great,

0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 10>but I'm sure she's going to have a political future

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 10>minus her Munich performance.

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Brett Barrett. I asked President Trump about the Triad

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.840
<v Speaker 2>when he was mister Trump in twenty fifteen, and he

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:16.840
<v Speaker 2>didn't really know, and it didn't really matter because he said,

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll learn when I need to know. Is that good enough?

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 2>In these days, I don't.

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:26.760
<v Speaker 10>Know the nuclear triad and China and Taiwan feel a

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:30.560
<v Speaker 10>little different. But I do think, you know, when you

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.000
<v Speaker 10>get to that point, you bone up and you're ready

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 10>for a debate. I think there's a bigger question about

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 10>you know, her experience her. You know, she's clearly a

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 10>political talent and gets a lot of people fired up.

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:48.000
<v Speaker 10>But I'm not sure that the party's going to rally

0:30:48.040 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 10>besides the left side of the party of the Democratic Party.

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying now. I talked with President Trump in January

0:30:54.760 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 2>and I asked him about AOC and he said, she's

0:30:57.720 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 2>quite a talent. She's got a lot of I think

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I use the word sparkler. He did. But she's never

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 2>done an interview. This was really the first interview I've

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.160
<v Speaker 2>seen where she was asked anything. Have you ever had

0:31:08.160 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 2>a chance to talk to her? Is she going arms way?

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:13.720
<v Speaker 10>It's been a while, I mean, it's it's probably been

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 10>let's see, four years. But she came on set on

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 10>Special Report and it was we spent a lot of

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:23.959
<v Speaker 10>time talking about the beginning of COVID and where that was,

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:26.760
<v Speaker 10>but we cover a lot of territory. I pressed her

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 10>on a couple of things. She was savvy, had, you know,

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 10>a good sense of things, but that was her wheelhouse.

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:36.960
<v Speaker 10>This was taking her out of her wheelhouse of every

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 10>day and I guess, you know, just thinking about how

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:43.320
<v Speaker 10>she's dealt with other things, maybe the bar was a

0:31:43.360 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 10>little bit higher.

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Now, yesterday I spent the first I spent an

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:49.800
<v Speaker 2>hour in the show on the first fifteen minutes of

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the former President Obama's interview released on Saturday Night with

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Brian Tyler Cohen, and it was it took me an

0:31:57.080 --> 0:31:59.239
<v Speaker 2>hour to get through fifteen minutes because it was it

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 2>was vacuous, It was utterly devoid of substance. As I

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 2>suppose many of my thinkers would say, is presidency was.

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Have you had a chance to watch that yet.

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 10>Brett, Yeah, I did watch it. I watched the whole thing.

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 10>What did you say, unbelievable as that is, I watched

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:20.239
<v Speaker 10>the whole thing besides the alien back and forth and

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 10>clean up. I was, you know, it felt like Obama

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 10>of old.

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 10>The first time I sat down with him was three

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 10>days before Obamacare. The legislation was voted on in the

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:38.360
<v Speaker 10>House and I was given thirty minutes in the Blue Room.

0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 10>And then I got there and he said, Okay, Brett,

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 10>we're going to do twenty minutes. And I said, miss President,

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 10>whatever time you have is great. And so the first

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 10>question I asked I was a four minute answer, and

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 10>the second question was a three minute answer. And there

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:58.040
<v Speaker 10>was a White House staff member with an iPhone taking

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 10>backwards from twenty minutes in my line of sight. And

0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 10>so it did not surprise me, you know, some of

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 10>those long, lengthy answers and kind of how he delivers

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 10>on substance. I think he maybe saved AOC a bit,

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 10>because you know, the former president speaking out takes a

0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 10>lot of them. You know, it's sort of like a

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 10>bug zapper in the backyard. It kind of gets all

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 10>the focus.

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 2>All I got from that interview was that he signaled

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 2>AOC and Gavin Newsom are acceptable. He did not mention

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Josh Shapiro, He did not mention Governor Basher, he didn't

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 2>mention anyone on the kind of center left side of

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.719
<v Speaker 2>the Democratic Party was progressive, progressive, progressive, progressive, and I

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.280
<v Speaker 2>think he was in that signal. He wasn't there to

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:47.040
<v Speaker 2>answer any questions, and they didn't get asked about Iran,

0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.719
<v Speaker 2>which is sort of astonishing. I don't know, mister Cohenie.

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Maybe he's new to this game. He's interviewed a lot

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 2>of Democrats. But you got to ask at least a

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:56.440
<v Speaker 2>couple of tough ones, don't you, Brent.

0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 10>I mean, especially on Iran that is in the middle

0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 10>of negotiations. You know about a nuclear program that you

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 10>signed a JCPOA and and authorized money going to Iran

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:14.840
<v Speaker 10>that arguably a lot of experts say fueled their efforts

0:34:14.440 --> 0:34:18.319
<v Speaker 10>to fund terrorist proxies. So yeah, I would think there

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.319
<v Speaker 10>would be a couple more tough ones in there. I

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:25.919
<v Speaker 10>agree with you, it was sort of not substance wise.

0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:27.040
<v Speaker 10>I didn't get a lot out of it.

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think he's probably he's thirty five or thirty

0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 2>seven years old and new to it. Brett. Let me

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.879
<v Speaker 2>go back to your Pentagon days. I think you were

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 2>there for the build up before Afghanistan. I mean, I

0:34:36.880 --> 0:34:38.120
<v Speaker 2>know you were there for the build up at the

0:34:38.120 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Pentagon before Afghanistan. Were you still there for the build

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:43.000
<v Speaker 2>up to a rock invasion in two thousand and three

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:44.920
<v Speaker 2>or had you gone over to the Yeah, okay.

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:49.439
<v Speaker 10>No, I was there from one to six.

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:54.040
<v Speaker 2>So you've seen this massive deployment of military resources. Have

0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>you seen anything like this other than one for Afghanistan

0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 2>and three for I Rack.

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:04.480
<v Speaker 10>No, Well, we'll keep on focusing on the naval assets.

0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 10>But the Air Force has moved a ton of a

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:11.360
<v Speaker 10>ton of equipment over into the region just in the

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 10>past three days. And yeah, we haven't seen this in

0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 10>a long long time. Now. It doesn't have the same

0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:24.319
<v Speaker 10>you know, troop compartment that the invasion of Iraq did.

0:35:24.520 --> 0:35:26.919
<v Speaker 10>I mean I was in Kuwait for all that build

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:32.359
<v Speaker 10>up and you know, but it is significant. I mean,

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.399
<v Speaker 10>it's not to be dismissed. And you don't do that

0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 10>as just a threat. I don't think now.

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you can affect regime. It's been done before,

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 2>regime changed, done in Serbia with Melosovich via the air,

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.799
<v Speaker 2>done in Kadathi land via the air. But I don't

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.800
<v Speaker 2>think you can dig the IRGC out of their holes

0:35:51.080 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>in Iran. It's ninety two million people. Do you agree

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 2>with me on that you can't do just an air campaign?

0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:58.400
<v Speaker 10>No, I agree with you. There has to be some

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 10>kind of ground component, But I don't know what the

0:36:02.080 --> 0:36:04.879
<v Speaker 10>plan is for that, and right now I don't see

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 10>opposition forces that are unified or under one one leader.

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:14.399
<v Speaker 2>So exit question given the Foreign minister coming out today,

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.080
<v Speaker 2>and so now we're going to good to go for

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.359
<v Speaker 2>next week and we're going to get together. And then

0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Channel twelve in Israel reporting that the American that told

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 2>the Israelis were at a dead end. Where do you

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.960
<v Speaker 2>say the truth in this chaff and this wilderness of

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:27.759
<v Speaker 2>mirrors we're in.

0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:32.240
<v Speaker 10>I think that Wikoff and Kushner will be pretty blunt

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 10>with the President and that if it's a sense that

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 10>it's not going anywhere, they will say that. I think

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:44.720
<v Speaker 10>that the Runian Foreign minister, you saw them on my show,

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:49.040
<v Speaker 10>it was like Bagdad, Bob, you know where nothing's happening

0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:52.720
<v Speaker 10>here as the tanks rolled by to get Saddam Hussein.

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:57.400
<v Speaker 10>So I don't think you can take those statements of

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 10>where the negotiations are as face value. I think that

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:05.720
<v Speaker 10>there's going to be an assessment. And while the President

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 10>wants a diplomatic solution. I don't think they're going to

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 10>wait forever.

0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Her last question in two thousand and three one Sherman

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Myers did a lot of talking. Ice Chairman Past did

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of talking. W didn't Who's going to be

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 2>doing talking if we do? Rumsfeld came out and talked

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>almost every day. Rummy was great. Who's going to be

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 2>doing the talking on this?

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:30.000
<v Speaker 10>It's a great question. I think probably the President, and

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:33.279
<v Speaker 10>I think he's probably going to run point. I don't

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:38.320
<v Speaker 10>think it's going to be Secretary of Hegseth and General

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 10>Kine has kept a low profile, but you're right. I

0:37:41.480 --> 0:37:43.399
<v Speaker 10>mean back when I covered the Pentagon and bos of those,

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 10>Afghanistan and Rock it was daytime soap opera when Secretary

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 10>of Rumsfeld and Armon Myers came out, so it.

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Was very illuminating. It was also funny. I'll still remember

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Meyers saying to Pace, I didn't know Marines had big

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 2>words like that, but it was great. Brett will be

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 2>watching tonight for the latest out of Iran. Don't miss

0:38:03.680 --> 0:38:06.480
<v Speaker 2>special report every night on your TV on the Fox

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 2>News Channel at six pm Eastern. Thank you, Brett, Welcome

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:14.719
<v Speaker 2>back in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, Byron York with the

0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:18.399
<v Speaker 2>Washington Examiner, Fox News contributor Extraordinary Joints Me now follow

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.040
<v Speaker 2>him on X at Byron York. Byron, what do you

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 2>make of the aftermath of the talks in Geneva today

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 2>with Iran?

0:38:26.480 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 12>Well, they're happening that good. I felt after the first

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:40.920
<v Speaker 12>session in which there was you know, there was it

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:45.000
<v Speaker 12>was barely face to face at all, uh, that this

0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.680
<v Speaker 12>was never going to go anywhere, And it's still never

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:51.080
<v Speaker 12>going to go anywhere without uh, probably the use of

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.240
<v Speaker 12>American force. And I'm pretty much still there today.

0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.880
<v Speaker 2>So stuck at dead end. Here's Vice President Vance with

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Martha McCollum earlier today. Or do we not have it

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 2>ran Cuba?

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:09.360
<v Speaker 14>Well, I'm obviously not going to make any announcements today.

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 14>I think the president has a lot of options. We

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.560
<v Speaker 14>do have a very powerful military. The President's shown a

0:39:13.600 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 14>willingness to use it. He also has a remarkable diplomatic team.

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 14>He's shown a willingness to use that too, And so

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.320
<v Speaker 14>what the President has been very clear with the Iranians.

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.719
<v Speaker 14>And actually I just talked to Steve Wookoff and Jared

0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 14>Kushner this morning about some of their negotiations is the

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 14>United States has certain red lines. Our primary interest here

0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 14>is we don't want a Ran to get a nuclear weapon.

0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.880
<v Speaker 14>We don't want nuclear proliferation. If it Ran gets a

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:36.760
<v Speaker 14>nuclear weapon, there are a lot of other regimes, some friendly,

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:39.279
<v Speaker 14>some not so friendly, who would get nuclear weapons after them.

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 14>That would be a disaster for the American people because

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:44.520
<v Speaker 14>then you have these crazy regimes all over the world

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 14>with the most dangerous weapons in the world. And that's

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:48.839
<v Speaker 14>one of the things the President has said he's going

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 14>to prevent. Now, we would very much like, as the

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 14>President has said, to resolve this through a conversation and

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:58.360
<v Speaker 14>a diplomatic negotiation. But the President has all options on

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 14>the table. And you know, one thing about negotiation I

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 14>will say this morning is you know, in some ways

0:40:03.080 --> 0:40:05.360
<v Speaker 14>it went well, they agreed to meet afterwards. But in

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 14>other way is it was very clear that the President

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:11.000
<v Speaker 14>has set some red lines that the Iranians are not

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 14>yet willing to actually acknowledge and work through. So we're

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 14>going to keep on working it. But of course the

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:19.640
<v Speaker 14>President reserves the ability to say when he thinks that

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.680
<v Speaker 14>diplomacy has reached its natural end, we hope it will

0:40:22.680 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 14>get to that point.

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:24.480
<v Speaker 3>But if we do, that'll be the president.

0:40:24.880 --> 0:40:28.640
<v Speaker 2>So Byron, I think the vice president is doing his

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 2>job as a vice president, but he's not willing to

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:33.400
<v Speaker 2>acknowledge some of the red lines as well. He didn't

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:36.400
<v Speaker 2>say no missiles, he didn't say don't kill your own people.

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:41.440
<v Speaker 2>He didn't say stop supporting has Blond. I'm awesome ooties, right, and.

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 12>I'm but you get the sense that, you know, when

0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 12>obviously Iran knows that you've got this enormous American armado

0:40:50.760 --> 0:40:57.920
<v Speaker 12>growing within striking distance, and it doesn't exactly know how

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 12>to get out of this, but it does though that

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:02.800
<v Speaker 12>if you promise to keep talking, maybe you can put it,

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:07.799
<v Speaker 12>put it off until something happens. And you just get

0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 12>the sense that with these these slightly hopeful things that

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:16.480
<v Speaker 12>the foreign minister says, the Uranian foreign minister says that

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.400
<v Speaker 12>it's basically intended to buy them a little time in

0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:24.320
<v Speaker 12>hopes of something the other. Now on our side, you know,

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 12>I have to say, I mean, do you think that

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 12>President Trump is kind of if he takes military action

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 12>against Iran, do you think he's really prepared the American

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.319
<v Speaker 12>people for why he would be doing this.

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that he has, but the news media has.

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 2>In other words, the missile threat is real and growing.

0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:50.480
<v Speaker 2>The support of Hesbaalah and Hamas is real and enduring,

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 2>and they murdered thirty five thousand of their own people.

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 2>So I don't he had not done what WAD did

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:58.000
<v Speaker 2>before two thousand and three, two thousand and one, which

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 2>is worn of casualties. He hasn't on which hw did

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.279
<v Speaker 2>before ninety one, which is to warn a you know,

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:06.160
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand dead. He hadn't done that, But I

0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:08.040
<v Speaker 2>don't think he believes that that's possible either.

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 12>Well, obviously it was a big surprise to people when

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 12>he did this in Venezuela. Even though he built up

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 12>an armada down there, he really hadn't prepared for the

0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 12>American people for it actually was going to take. But

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:27.120
<v Speaker 12>it was quick, it was very, very sharply focused. This

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:30.399
<v Speaker 12>we're still not sure exactly what the United States would

0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:33.200
<v Speaker 12>be doing, although the every capability to do it quite

0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:37.319
<v Speaker 12>a lot. And I don't think I would disagree with

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.360
<v Speaker 12>you in a sense that the media can kind of

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 12>prepare the way for this. I think there's nobody who

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:43.400
<v Speaker 12>can prepare the way for this except the president of

0:42:43.400 --> 0:42:45.799
<v Speaker 12>the United States who said we're going to do this, this,

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 12>and this, or they have to do you know, they

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:52.800
<v Speaker 12>have to get rid of their nuclear program, they have

0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:56.040
<v Speaker 12>to stop killing people, and they have to stop supporting,

0:42:56.400 --> 0:43:00.239
<v Speaker 12>you know, regional terrorist organizations. And if they don't do it,

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:03.520
<v Speaker 12>we're gonna hit them. I think if those are the

0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 12>United States standards, that has to be articulated by the president.

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, the president has said the missile program. And to me, Byron,

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:14.920
<v Speaker 2>when you were young, did you ever play poker Jack's

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:15.719
<v Speaker 2>Open Trip to Win?

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 12>No, I don't believe I did.

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:20.919
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, Jack's Open Trip to win five card game,

0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 2>and you can't up the annie. You can't bat unless

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 2>you have at least jacks, and so sometimes everybody falls in.

0:43:26.080 --> 0:43:28.279
<v Speaker 2>You just re up the annie again. The Urons don't

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 2>they runnies, don't have jacks. They can't open these negotiates.

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:34.080
<v Speaker 2>They've got nothing to give us that doesn't endanger their regime.

0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:36.760
<v Speaker 10>You know that.

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 12>That's a good point. And now Trumps said, and I

0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 12>think he's direct the United States do pretty grievous damage

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:49.239
<v Speaker 12>to their nuclear program, which is not coming back tomorrow.

0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:55.879
<v Speaker 12>On the other hand, I don't know is is big

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:58.480
<v Speaker 12>US military action necessary here?

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I think because my perspective that from national security only,

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 2>is that the missiles are a threat not just to

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Israel and the UAE and cutter, but to Southern Europe,

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and eventually they will be a threat to US, and

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 2>they can make them into dirty bombs. And I do

0:44:14.160 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 2>believe that that regime, which can murder thirty five thousand people,

0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 2>would not hesitate a moment to use dirty bombs on

0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:23.600
<v Speaker 2>our allies and on us. If they could, I think

0:44:23.640 --> 0:44:25.919
<v Speaker 2>they can hit Camp Bond Steal right now.

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 12>Actually, well, I mean, Israel has significant military capabilities on

0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:35.640
<v Speaker 12>its own, and they had done but you know, before

0:44:35.680 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 12>the United States went in with the bunkerbusters and took

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 12>out the nuclear facilities, they had done. Israel had done

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 12>significant damage beforehand.

0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 2>They had, but they didn't. We stopped them from finishing

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:49.040
<v Speaker 2>the job.

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 12>Byron well that they could finish the job. So I'm

0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:57.239
<v Speaker 12>just wondering, you know, why it's absolutely necessary? What in

0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 12>president has not made the case depending on how big

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 12>this military action is if it comes. I mean that's

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:09.040
<v Speaker 12>a really important variable here because obviously the president went in,

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 12>did one bombing run on the military, on the nuclear

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 12>facilities and that took care of things. So depending on

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 12>how big it is, how extensive it is, whether it

0:45:20.480 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 12>involves Americans at risk, you have to have a presidential

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 12>justification and explanation for this, and we just haven't had

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:31.320
<v Speaker 12>it from the president.

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Not yet. I think it would be as well if

0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 2>he did it, but he can do it after the

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.400
<v Speaker 2>fact as well, once it's begun. I don't know that

0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:41.120
<v Speaker 2>we ever had Bill Clinton explain Serbia or Barack Obama

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 2>explain Libya, and that was a disaster for both of them,

0:45:44.160 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 2>by the way. So it's a good point.

0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:46.040
<v Speaker 3>Byron.

0:45:46.080 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 2>I hope he does it, Byron York America, follow him

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.359
<v Speaker 2>on ecceit Byron York, watch him on Fox and as

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Ridam in the Washington Sandra, I'll be right there, Robert Tavall,

0:45:57.520 --> 0:45:59.800
<v Speaker 2>you won the Oscar in nineteen eighty three for portraying

0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:03.080
<v Speaker 2>the alcoholic country singer Max Sledge and Tender Mercies, and

0:46:03.120 --> 0:46:06.240
<v Speaker 2>now Jeff Bridges is nominated for Best Actor for playing

0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 2>Bad Blake and Crazy Heart.

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:09.520
<v Speaker 4>Who's another alcoholic country singer?

0:46:09.840 --> 0:46:12.840
<v Speaker 2>Did you guys compare notes on these two characters and

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:16.360
<v Speaker 2>how to get smart about, you know, an addicted drinker?

0:46:17.280 --> 0:46:20.799
<v Speaker 5>No, didn't compare notes at all. No, but he's gonna win.

0:46:21.040 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 5>He'll win the Oscar.

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I think you should it, so welcome back, Oma. That's

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Robert Duvall from twenty ten when he was on the

0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>program with me and I talked about him at the

0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:31.040
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the show, but I wanted to really talk

0:46:31.080 --> 0:46:34.600
<v Speaker 2>to Lilax about him, because when anybody dies, Lilac and

0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I are about the same age, and we have about

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.640
<v Speaker 2>the same impression of people. Usually, Lilax, what do you

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:40.959
<v Speaker 2>think of Robert duval.

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:43.880
<v Speaker 3>He was absolutely wonderful.

0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:46.000
<v Speaker 15>He was an incredible actual As people have pointed out,

0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 15>and I was saying nothing new. He had an expansive

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:50.400
<v Speaker 15>range in which you could be that guy who was

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:54.440
<v Speaker 15>incredibly quiet and complex and rich inside but also boisterous

0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:58.759
<v Speaker 15>and outgoing. And called his brio an actor of an

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:00.160
<v Speaker 15>era that we're just not seeing anymore.

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:01.240
<v Speaker 3>We don't see.

0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 15>Guys that much anymore who have this sort of confident,

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 15>inhabited masculinity that goes back a couple of generations to

0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:09.759
<v Speaker 15>an archetype that now we miss because we had to

0:47:09.760 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 15>get rid of it.

0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:11.399
<v Speaker 3>We had to get rid.

0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:13.319
<v Speaker 15>Of it, you know, coincidentally with you know, DeVault came

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:15.360
<v Speaker 15>up when he was coming up. The actors of that generation,

0:47:15.440 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 15>there would be the ones, you know, you're Alan Aldas

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 15>who would be more in touch and they're sensitive sides

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.200
<v Speaker 15>and the rest of it all could if he had to.

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:25.839
<v Speaker 15>But he was a throwback, like a lot of these

0:47:25.840 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 15>guys were, and we're going to lose them, one after

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:29.719
<v Speaker 15>the other after the other. We're going to see a

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 15>great culling in the next few years where the great

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.520
<v Speaker 15>actors and a lot of the great musicians rock musicians

0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 15>that we grew up with are going to die as well.

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:40.319
<v Speaker 15>You feel very, very old when somebody who was up

0:47:40.360 --> 0:47:42.200
<v Speaker 15>there seeing, you know, shake your moody when you were

0:47:42.200 --> 0:47:43.840
<v Speaker 15>in high school and having a grand old time and

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 15>feeling the fruits of youth would never wither on the vine.

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 15>When they start going out in their seventy seven or

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 15>they're you know, sixty nine or something like that, that's

0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:53.320
<v Speaker 15>when times winged Cherriot.

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:57.439
<v Speaker 3>You feel the breath and the horses hot on your neck.

0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.040
<v Speaker 2>Now I've got an idea which I floated in the

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:01.799
<v Speaker 2>first segment of the show. I want to bounce off

0:48:01.840 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 2>of you. You know how, there are a lot of

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 2>theaters around the country with multiplex. They got like twenty screens,

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and they have one screen that they just dedicate to

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:14.319
<v Speaker 2>random movies. I would suggest that they simply assure the

0:48:14.360 --> 0:48:17.520
<v Speaker 2>moviegoer that the film they're about to see, either as

0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Robert Devald, Gene Hackman, Clint Eastwood, al Pacino, or Robert

0:48:22.960 --> 0:48:25.480
<v Speaker 2>de Niro in it, that one of these great and

0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:27.439
<v Speaker 2>there might be someone else on that list. They don't

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:29.399
<v Speaker 2>they don't even tell you what the movie is. You're

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:32.480
<v Speaker 2>reading it deval Hackman, Eastwood, Pacino or de Niro, go

0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:35.200
<v Speaker 2>on and sit down and enjoy. We'll keep playing them

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:36.759
<v Speaker 2>all day. Do you think that would work?

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:40.839
<v Speaker 3>I think it would. It'd be great. With de Nio,

0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:44.160
<v Speaker 3>you're kind of watering the podle a little bit, the

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 3>twenty years.

0:48:44.880 --> 0:48:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Ago me and there you go.

0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 15>And if you charge the buck fifty, you know you're

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:50.640
<v Speaker 15>not going to do this to make enoughul lot of money.

0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 15>And it's not as if they have to recoup the

0:48:52.120 --> 0:48:54.000
<v Speaker 15>cost in something that was made in nineteen seventy four.

0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:54.960
<v Speaker 3>But that would be great.

0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:57.399
<v Speaker 15>It would be wonderful, in fact, if you just didn't

0:48:57.440 --> 0:48:59.279
<v Speaker 15>have more than one theater with those guys, but you

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:02.400
<v Speaker 15>had another there with the old great black and white

0:49:02.400 --> 0:49:05.400
<v Speaker 15>movies somehow, you know, and make it a schooling experience.

0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 15>Kids hate that black and white. They can't figure out

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:10.480
<v Speaker 15>why anybody would want to. But when you expose them

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:12.960
<v Speaker 15>to the beauties of a monochrome palette and realize how

0:49:13.000 --> 0:49:15.600
<v Speaker 15>in the nineteen forties you would watch a movie and

0:49:15.600 --> 0:49:17.399
<v Speaker 15>when you see it on your television, on your screen,

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 15>or even god forbid, on your phone, and the whole

0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 15>face is filled with thistle. You know, the whole screen

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.520
<v Speaker 15>is this luminescent close up of a glowing face. It

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:27.160
<v Speaker 15>doesn't have the impact of sitting in the theater before

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:29.920
<v Speaker 15>the silver screen and seeing the entirety of your vision

0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:32.759
<v Speaker 15>filled up with Ingrid Bergmann and her Liquia's eyes.

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 3>I mean that would be an education as well.

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 15>And given that these movies just roll in for a

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 15>week or so and play to fifty sixty people or so,

0:49:41.800 --> 0:49:45.680
<v Speaker 15>I mean, drop the price, give them free popcorn, and

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:47.840
<v Speaker 15>let it be an educational experience in the glories of

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:50.279
<v Speaker 15>American culture, which include.

0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:52.239
<v Speaker 2>The movie and in a multipi clients don't good at it,

0:49:52.360 --> 0:49:54.359
<v Speaker 2>you've got it. I mean they're throwing the same movie

0:49:54.520 --> 0:49:57.000
<v Speaker 2>eight times a day at some of these screens and

0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.880
<v Speaker 2>just the dedicated screen, the black and white. She was

0:50:00.880 --> 0:50:05.920
<v Speaker 2>tried in LA for years there was a film a

0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:09.319
<v Speaker 2>movie theater on I can't remember. It's on the west

0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:12.799
<v Speaker 2>side of LA south of Wiltshire, that showed nothing but

0:50:13.880 --> 0:50:15.799
<v Speaker 2>the grand old films of the black and white era.

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:19.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm just thinking good action picks like The French Connection,

0:50:20.320 --> 0:50:23.320
<v Speaker 2>or The Godfather or you name it. The Apostle is

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.319
<v Speaker 2>my favorite, Denio, or you could even show Lonesome dub.

0:50:26.480 --> 0:50:28.680
<v Speaker 2>People would just drop in for a couple of hours

0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:32.040
<v Speaker 2>and get what they wanted, right.

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.440
<v Speaker 15>But they would if you presume that mall culture in

0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:36.440
<v Speaker 15>this place is still healthy, that there's still a lot

0:50:36.440 --> 0:50:37.960
<v Speaker 15>of guys who are wandering around.

0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:39.279
<v Speaker 3>The theater while the white shops or something, you know,

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.080
<v Speaker 3>in the mall, while the white shops or something, you

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:42.280
<v Speaker 3>can only go to so many stories.

0:50:42.719 --> 0:50:44.919
<v Speaker 15>You know, Well, I don't have my size of pants there.

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:46.720
<v Speaker 15>I guess I'm gonna sit down here by the froyo

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:47.320
<v Speaker 15>for a while.

0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:48.480
<v Speaker 3>I mean for those.

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.759
<v Speaker 15>Guys, it would be great, but it's getting everybody else

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.000
<v Speaker 15>you do with It's going to be the question the

0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 15>movie going experience seems to the American DNA fractured at

0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:59.720
<v Speaker 15>some point, something happened in twenty twenty, trying to remember

0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:02.359
<v Speaker 15>what that might have been that seemed to separate us

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:04.759
<v Speaker 15>from the communal experience of movies. We'll go out to

0:51:04.800 --> 0:51:06.480
<v Speaker 15>see a Maverick because we know we're going to rock

0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 15>and roll, and you sense around is going to warm,

0:51:08.840 --> 0:51:11.080
<v Speaker 15>She's going to vibrate our bones, and Tom Cruise will

0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 15>be the last movie star and the rest of it.

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, fly about Duval in that interview, I played you

0:51:15.760 --> 0:51:17.960
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of He had come on to promote

0:51:18.000 --> 0:51:20.440
<v Speaker 2>the movie with Jeff Bridges, but he ended up promoting

0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:23.360
<v Speaker 2>hurt Locker to get the copy more. He really didn't

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>care what he said. He was totally indifferent Hollywood, totally indifferent.

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 15>Yeah, I've had interviews like that that have gone that way,

0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:37.200
<v Speaker 15>my favorite being with William Shatner, which was more work

0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.359
<v Speaker 15>than I've done in my life, and that includes, you know,

0:51:39.400 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 15>a stange as a seed salesman in the South. But yeah,

0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:45.080
<v Speaker 15>I mean you get the sense of the personality right there,

0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 15>and yes, does it come across the screen? Yes, is

0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:50.960
<v Speaker 15>it's reach across generations? You'd like to think. So the

0:51:51.040 --> 0:51:53.040
<v Speaker 15>test is just finding out whether or not it does,

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:56.120
<v Speaker 15>whether or not the generations that have grown up on

0:51:56.280 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 15>CGI and in huge Marvel movies where nothing really means anything,

0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:04.239
<v Speaker 15>where people are thrown into walls and get right up,

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:08.400
<v Speaker 15>where ninety eight pound women fights two hundred pounds Soviet

0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 15>Russian assassins. So the rest of it, whether or not

0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:13.279
<v Speaker 15>the vacuity and the emptiness and the frivolity of the

0:52:13.719 --> 0:52:15.400
<v Speaker 15>movies that we've.

0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:17.440
<v Speaker 3>Had lately, whether we can bring people back to some

0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 3>solid stuff.

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:19.560
<v Speaker 15>Now, when you make a good horror film and you

0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:21.280
<v Speaker 15>make an eight twenty four film, you make a film

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:23.040
<v Speaker 15>that reaches a certain modern audience.

0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 3>They love it and it's great.

0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:28.040
<v Speaker 15>So it's still there, but it feels the movie stars

0:52:28.040 --> 0:52:31.319
<v Speaker 15>in the movie experience feels like a waning experience, and

0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:33.279
<v Speaker 15>I don't know what it'll take to get us back

0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:33.600
<v Speaker 15>to it.

0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's unfortunate Robert Duvall is not a wartime consigliori.

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:40.840
<v Speaker 2>But other than that, he was a very, very fabulous actor.

0:52:40.880 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I want to close, but do you have a favorite

0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Duval movie?

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:48.719
<v Speaker 3>No, it is a matter of fact. I think of

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:49.680
<v Speaker 3>one and then I think of another.

0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:51.359
<v Speaker 2>So close with what you're going to close with, did

0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:54.880
<v Speaker 2>you enjoy Lonesome Dove. Not a movie, just the greatest

0:52:54.920 --> 0:52:56.040
<v Speaker 2>television series ever.

0:52:55.920 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 3>Made when it came out. Yes, yes, indeed that's so.

0:53:00.600 --> 0:53:02.640
<v Speaker 2>You think Tommy Lee Jones is taking the remains of

0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:05.640
<v Speaker 2>Bob Duvall Robert Duvall across the country in a wagon.

0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:10.560
<v Speaker 15>I hope so, I absolutely, absolutely hope so because Dominie

0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:12.680
<v Speaker 15>Jones are one of the few that we got left hands.

0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:14.440
<v Speaker 2>And it is one of the guys we got left. We

0:53:14.480 --> 0:53:16.640
<v Speaker 2>also have Lylex left and Hewett and we'll keep doing

0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 2>this once a week for as long as they allow us.

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Lilas. Go find him at James Lylax dot

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:24.879
<v Speaker 2>subtact dot com James Lyilex dot subtact dot com. I'll

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:25.399
<v Speaker 2>be right back.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy Marrion, even Grace America. Time for a treat That

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<v Speaker 2>is Crossroad Blues by Robert Johnson. We are told in

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<v Speaker 2>the first page of this new novel by C. J. Box,

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<v Speaker 2>The Crossroads. That's from nineteen thirty six. CJ Box is back, CJ.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you know about The Crossroads Blues?

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<v Speaker 9>I've been a I'm a blues fan, have been a

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<v Speaker 9>blues fan for a long time.

0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I think I.

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:43.719
<v Speaker 9>Probably first heard it by Eric Clapton, then found out

0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:47.680
<v Speaker 9>when the song was actually written and how old it was.

0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:49.040
<v Speaker 4>But it's a classic.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm not a blues guy, and I appreciate the intro.

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<v Speaker 2>Gave me the good intro music. Congratulations on the Crossroads.

0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:59.640
<v Speaker 2>It is a fabulous read. I read it last night

0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:02.239
<v Speaker 2>in this morning, so it's about an eight hour read.

0:56:02.280 --> 0:56:04.279
<v Speaker 2>I want people to know that you can blow through

0:56:04.320 --> 0:56:06.839
<v Speaker 2>it and it's addictive. I also want people to know

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:10.720
<v Speaker 2>that it has in it Clarkson's Farm for real, Really,

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:12.320
<v Speaker 2>did you like Clarkson's Farm?

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<v Speaker 9>I love Clarkson's Farm. Yeah, we're big fans.

0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I watched about four episodes and I decided it was

0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:26.320
<v Speaker 2>the same show again and again and again. Second. Oh no, oh, no, okay,

0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:29.280
<v Speaker 2>maybe we'll go back. Then. I want to know about

0:56:29.320 --> 0:56:33.319
<v Speaker 2>Mollybox and Prairie Stage Creative. Who's in the acknowledgments. I

0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:38.600
<v Speaker 2>assume your daughter is running some kind of PR firm.

0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:43.560
<v Speaker 9>Well, she's a graphic designer and an artist at a

0:56:43.640 --> 0:56:46.879
<v Speaker 9>very accomplished artist. And luckily for me, she runs all

0:56:46.920 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 9>my social media so I don't have to, and she's.

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:51.640
<v Speaker 4>Much better at it than i'd be anyway.

0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:54.280
<v Speaker 9>But because she grew up with the books and reads

0:56:54.280 --> 0:56:57.000
<v Speaker 9>all the books and gets them before they go to print,

0:56:57.520 --> 0:57:01.399
<v Speaker 9>she along with her sisters, are great help in all

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:03.879
<v Speaker 9>of the all the novels, and I'll give me their

0:57:03.880 --> 0:57:06.400
<v Speaker 9>notes before I actually send it off to the publisher.

0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, CJ, this is a fabulous book at number twenty

0:57:09.560 --> 0:57:11.719
<v Speaker 2>six in the Joe Pickett series. Now we have some

0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:15.400
<v Speaker 2>new affiliates from Florida up to the Upper Midwest that

0:57:15.480 --> 0:57:17.919
<v Speaker 2>had not heard you before. So CJ has been coming

0:57:18.000 --> 0:57:21.439
<v Speaker 2>on the program for two decades whenever Joe Pickett novel

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:24.480
<v Speaker 2>comes out and occasionally not. And Joe Pickett is a

0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:27.240
<v Speaker 2>Wyoming game Warden. He's now number ten out of fifty.

0:57:27.360 --> 0:57:29.120
<v Speaker 2>His badge is pretty high up there.

0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:30.560
<v Speaker 4>That's right.

0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:34.680
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, he's advancing seniority over the years. That's why it

0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:37.440
<v Speaker 9>works in real life in Wyoming. With each year and

0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:41.040
<v Speaker 9>game wardens retire and every other game warden gets advanced

0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:46.040
<v Speaker 9>one space. So conceivably he could become game Warden number one,

0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:47.560
<v Speaker 9>But I'm not looking that far ahead.

0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's every something. He's going to get

0:57:49.640 --> 0:57:53.360
<v Speaker 2>broken in rank for something. Let me ask you, probably, Chuck,

0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:56.720
<v Speaker 2>this is a movie. I mean it's a standalone movie

0:57:56.760 --> 0:57:58.960
<v Speaker 2>because it's got a lot of female leads in it,

0:57:59.400 --> 0:58:02.440
<v Speaker 2>and they could do the backstory pretty easily. Has it

0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:03.320
<v Speaker 2>been optioned?

0:58:05.680 --> 0:58:06.720
<v Speaker 4>No, it has not been.

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<v Speaker 9>As an individual that gets complicated you because the rights

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<v Speaker 9>to the Joe Pickett are still with Paramount Plus, and

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<v Speaker 9>that's being renegotiated again because of the TV show next year.

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<v Speaker 9>If they do not develop the show either any further,

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<v Speaker 9>those will those rights will revert back to us, and

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<v Speaker 9>then possibly who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>Well paramount. Ought to just make this as a standalone again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's got fabulous roles for women as well as bad guys,

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<v Speaker 2>and for Joe and for Nate and for everybody else

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<v Speaker 2>in the Joe Pickett universe. But it's fabulous. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask before I do it. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Casey Duell crossover, has that ever happened before?

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<v Speaker 4>I made him mention earlier?

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<v Speaker 9>It gets complicated because Cassie Duell, those books the Highway,

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<v Speaker 9>one of your favorites. Yeah, I know, those are all

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<v Speaker 9>with a different publisher, with McMillan, and so doing a.

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<v Speaker 4>Crossover is a little risky. I just figured easier.

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<v Speaker 9>To apologize and ask permission and wanted to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to come back to Cassie probably in segment three,

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<v Speaker 2>but before we go alonger, I want people don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty sixth Joe Picket books, nine others stand alone

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six book. Do you ever get tired?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what?

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<v Speaker 9>I honestly, I enjoy nothing more than writing books, especially

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<v Speaker 9>the first drafts. I try to do them during the

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<v Speaker 9>winter because in here where I are a little ranch

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<v Speaker 9>in Wyoming, there's not a lot going on, and try

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<v Speaker 9>to get them done by summer, so I can fish

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<v Speaker 9>and play golf, and I go to work every day

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<v Speaker 9>just like you do.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably not, I don't work as hard as you do, Hugh.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't work how I work every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Drain doesn't work. I don't work. Harley and Adam work,

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of us don't. All right, now, you are

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<v Speaker 2>doing a book tour. I put that on my AX account,

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<v Speaker 2>but they can find it. What at cjbox dot net

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<v Speaker 2>or is it net? What's the website?

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<v Speaker 4>Cjbox dot net.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's correct, and it starts in Colorado on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>my birthday, my seventieth birthday, by the way. I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to let.

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<v Speaker 4>People know, happy birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's my I know you're doing that for me,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't be at the tattered book cover or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it's called in Denver. But it's all posted on

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<v Speaker 2>the web and it's fabulous. I want to pick a

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<v Speaker 2>fight with you though. You bring up the Polaris Ranger,

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<v Speaker 2>the ATV and I got a few pictures of them

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't know if Harley was able to find

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<v Speaker 2>them or not, but you weren't specific enough. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the one I like. And then there's another one which

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<v Speaker 2>is blue, and then there's got a little back thing

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<v Speaker 2>on the back. Then and then there's this one. Which

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<v Speaker 2>one are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 9>You know, the very first one you showed, the red one,

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<v Speaker 9>the fourth person with the little dump truck on the back.

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<v Speaker 9>We own that, So that's what I have in mind

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<v Speaker 9>when I was writing about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you drive them? You really do drive those?

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<v Speaker 4>We take them out almost every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, arn't there like personal injury lawyer, get rich, get

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<v Speaker 2>for card free? Right? Isn't that what those are?

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<v Speaker 9>I think they're pretty safe. I have yet to roll it,

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<v Speaker 9>although I've come close.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've got to talk without giving away. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even want to give it away. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>give away as much as the blurb gives away over

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<v Speaker 2>at Amazon dot com, because the blurb gives a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit away. But I'm not going to give that much away.

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<v Speaker 2>People have to go and look at the Amazon dot

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<v Speaker 2>com link to find out. But I do want to

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<v Speaker 2>bring up a few compliments on sidebars. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I love the coffee checks. I think they should invite

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<v Speaker 2>Lauren Trumley over to have breakfast with him. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think?

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<v Speaker 9>I think that's a good idea. Yeah, the coffee Chick.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, I think we've talked about it before. I

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<v Speaker 9>give away your name in a CJ box booked all

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<v Speaker 9>sorts of fundraisers or at Wyoming in the Mountain West,

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<v Speaker 9>and one of the winners cup last year was a woman,

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<v Speaker 9>seventy year old woman in Torrington, Wyoming, who said she

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<v Speaker 9>wants of the Coffee Chicks, her group that gets together

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<v Speaker 9>every morning and runs the town. And I was trying

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<v Speaker 9>to figure out how to work that in a book,

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<v Speaker 9>and it could fill in perfectly.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, Yeah, I thought that was before you gave

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<v Speaker 2>the names away, and then you decided I have five more.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see Cheryl, Betty, Shawna, and Debbie. And they're all

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<v Speaker 2>names from that generation, right, They're gone now, there aren't

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<v Speaker 2>any more. Denise's so well played. And I like Lauren

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<v Speaker 2>Trumpy as well. Is that a giveaway?

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<v Speaker 4>No, that I think I made that name up.

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<v Speaker 9>That's one of the few I didn't take from the

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<v Speaker 9>you Know your Name in and and actually from a

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<v Speaker 9>previous book.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I forgot I forgot names from a previous book.

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<v Speaker 2>I love by the way the Crossroads. Everything works, every

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<v Speaker 2>detail in this book. How long does it take to

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<v Speaker 2>pay for.

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<v Speaker 4>This one was a little more complicated than most.

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<v Speaker 9>Hopefully readers won't say, oh, this is complicated though the

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<v Speaker 9>pages will fly, but because we can give a little

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<v Speaker 9>bit away. I mean, Joe Pickett is nearly injured in

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<v Speaker 9>the very first pages of the book, and Joe goes

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<v Speaker 9>into a coma airlifted out. His three daughters. Adult daughters

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<v Speaker 9>all come together and decide to figure out which of

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<v Speaker 9>the three ranches that Joe was likely visiting at the

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<v Speaker 9>crossroads was responsible.

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<v Speaker 4>For the ambush.

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<v Speaker 9>So that's how it begins, and then there are flashbacks

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<v Speaker 9>to all.

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<v Speaker 4>The events leading up to the ambush.

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<v Speaker 9>At the same time the girls are investigating the potential murderers.

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<v Speaker 2>You gave away more than I was going would be,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm not at fault.

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<v Speaker 4>I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>All I tell the people is I've got the galley chair.

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<v Speaker 2>I picked them up, walked out of the studio yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>Dwayne and Adam and Harley will Levere and said, I

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<v Speaker 2>got to go home and read Chuck's book. And I asked, Dwayne,

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<v Speaker 2>is it a one day read? He said, absolutely, It's

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<v Speaker 2>a page turner. And it turned out to be. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to tell people it's you know, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to read the first twenty five, though it might lead

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<v Speaker 2>you to go back and do it, because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>give away anything about the previous twenty five except in

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<v Speaker 2>illusion to maybe Nate a little bit. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>think it's fabulous for people who are starting out and

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<v Speaker 2>they want to get the first one. You also thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>saying to my heart, you have two endangered species in here.

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<v Speaker 2>You have the it's not really an endangered species. The

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<v Speaker 2>sagegrouse is protected by Wyoming under a special deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the nuts at the US Fish and Wildlife Service, not

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<v Speaker 2>the listed as endangered. And then you've got a spelling

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<v Speaker 2>bee word to Ptarmigan?

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<v Speaker 9>How do I say that Armigan? Just forget the pee

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<v Speaker 9>and they're just Ptarmigan. Okay, that's another yeah, right, No,

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<v Speaker 9>they're they're game birds, but they're they're more mountain they're

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<v Speaker 9>very quick little birds. Tarmagan. You can go Ptarmigan hunting.

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<v Speaker 9>It's really rough country, usually on the size of rocky hillsides.

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<v Speaker 9>They're unique to the West and the step.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty sure I've never bagged one.

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<v Speaker 4>Chuck, I'm pretty sure you haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't, I've not gotten it. But it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great spelling B word. I think people need to go

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<v Speaker 2>look at a P T A R M I G

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<v Speaker 2>A N. I asked to fetching missus Sewett last night,

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<v Speaker 2>what in the world is arm against? Did I know

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<v Speaker 2>the word? But I don't know what it is? So

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<v Speaker 2>we both looked up. But you've got the sage grouse

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<v Speaker 2>and the ptarmagin. And when we come back, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about other rip from the headline controversies in CJ's brand

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<v Speaker 2>new book, The Crossroads, the latest in the Joe Pickett

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<v Speaker 2>Theater series. Head over to Amazon dot com, get it

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<v Speaker 2>delivered on Monday, which is publication day it drops, and

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<v Speaker 2>go see him in Denver. Go over to cjbox dot

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<v Speaker 2>net to find out the rest of the book signing events.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be right back with CJJA two. Welcome back to America.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Hugh Hewett Chuck Box. Do you know what that

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<v Speaker 2>music is?

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<v Speaker 4>It's from The Godfather, Yes, you know what?

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<v Speaker 3>And it's from.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh isn't it from the uh? Not the funeral? But

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<v Speaker 9>it's from the parade and got.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a hospital scene. Ah okay, And so.

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<v Speaker 4>That's pretty clever, well, very.

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<v Speaker 2>Clever writing in the book, and people have to read

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<v Speaker 2>the book to know what I'm talking about. But there

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<v Speaker 2>are always hospital scenes in CJ. Box thrillers for Joe Pickett,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's one in this that made me think of

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<v Speaker 2>a young uh al Pacino going with the Baker to

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<v Speaker 2>stand in front of the deserted hospital and shy away

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<v Speaker 2>the gangsters. And I went and rewatched it today. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a fabulous scene that you set up. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>was that on your mind when.

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<v Speaker 3>You did it?

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<v Speaker 9>Not necessarily some you know, I do outline. I do

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of pre planning, but sometimes something will just

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<v Speaker 9>pop up kind of in context of the of the

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<v Speaker 9>story that I will add in. And that was when

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<v Speaker 9>I added in, was when yeah, we don't want to

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<v Speaker 9>talk about the circumstances now, yes, it's very similar.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when did you get interested in brain surgery? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I learned more about brain surgery in this book, and

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it really is brain surgery, so not a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>There's brain surgery in the book. When did you get

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<v Speaker 2>interested in that?

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<v Speaker 4>There is?

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<v Speaker 9>You know, I happened to read a book by called

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<v Speaker 9>gray Matter, by a neurosurgeon called doctor Theodore Schwartz, came

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<v Speaker 9>out last year I can't Yeah, I can't even remember

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<v Speaker 9>why I got it, but it was so fascinating because he's.

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<v Speaker 4>Not only a renowned surgeon, he's a great writer and

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<v Speaker 4>described things really well.

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<v Speaker 9>And one of the things that fascinated me was how

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<v Speaker 9>sometimes the personalities of patients people change after brain surgery,

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<v Speaker 9>after a severe brain damage. How sometimes you know, a

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<v Speaker 9>lion becomes a lamb, or a lamb becomes a lion,

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<v Speaker 9>or you know, total personality change. And it fascinated me

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<v Speaker 9>because it did, you know, went into the depths of

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<v Speaker 9>brain surgery.

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<v Speaker 4>And I wanted to add that in this book.

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<v Speaker 9>So I asked doctor Swartz if he would look over

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<v Speaker 9>the chapters that I wrote about it and fix my errors,

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<v Speaker 9>and he fixed a few, and so I think it's

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<v Speaker 9>pretty accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing. It's a thriller within a thriller because it

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<v Speaker 2>does plumb. You quote Winston Churchill, tell you about the

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<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union, which is it's a riddle wrapped inside and

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<v Speaker 2>mystery inside and enigma. That's the human brain. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was fabulous. Now there's also blue. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure people understand that we go from brain surgery

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<v Speaker 2>to blue in the crossroads are you a grandfather. I am.

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<v Speaker 4>We have four grandchildren and another one on the way,

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<v Speaker 4>so I know you are.

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<v Speaker 9>I know you're familiar with blue Absolutely anybody our age

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<v Speaker 9>with grandchildren.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a great show.

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<v Speaker 2>It is. Daniel Tiger and Blueie have got me out

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<v Speaker 2>of many a Sunday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 3>Jam.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's talk about saving me rip stuff from the headlines.

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<v Speaker 2>I made a list. Not only do we have the

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<v Speaker 2>endangered species I mentioned, we got rare earth. We got

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<v Speaker 2>fatanyl I military age males coming over the border in

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<v Speaker 2>division strength. You know, I talked about that last week

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<v Speaker 2>with a national security person before I read Crossroads, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think many people are aware of that. Check

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<v Speaker 2>Where did you learn about that?

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<v Speaker 4>On the Hugh Hewitt Show?

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<v Speaker 9>Like I learned so many things, seriously, maybe not the

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<v Speaker 9>rare earths, but a lot of the geopolitical issues.

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<v Speaker 4>I listen every day, but I get smart. I listened

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<v Speaker 4>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>You you didn't learn about rare earths from me? Because

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even pronounce the names of these things. I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote them down in my back flap. We've got dys inmium, terbium, pyrasidimium, dysprosonium.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I get any of those, right.

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<v Speaker 9>I think, so, I'm not sure I can pronounce them.

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<v Speaker 9>I did a lot of research into that, you know,

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<v Speaker 9>that's kind of think. Rare earths are not that rare.

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<v Speaker 9>They're everywhere, But why they're surprised is if they're in

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<v Speaker 9>huge concentrations, and the biggest problem with with retrieving them

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<v Speaker 9>is refining them. In the United States, and that's there's

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<v Speaker 9>a there's a Wild West gold rush going.

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<v Speaker 3>On in the Mountain West.

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<v Speaker 9>Some of the biggest discoveries of rare earth deposits have

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<v Speaker 9>been found in the last few years in the state

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<v Speaker 9>of Wyoming, all over the state. So yeah, people are

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<v Speaker 9>looking for them all over. They're finding them. They're talking

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<v Speaker 9>about how many trillion dollars worth of rare earth there are.

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<v Speaker 9>It's wild.

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<v Speaker 2>The technology of finding them, which is described in this

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<v Speaker 2>book as a subplot, is all new to me. And

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<v Speaker 2>I has all of Wyoming now been mapped, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I would do at scale. If it's that valuable,

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<v Speaker 2>you would map all of Wyoming, wouldn't you.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I can't say if it's all been mapped.

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<v Speaker 9>I know that the areas that are most likely to

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<v Speaker 9>have those kind of geological formations. There's all kinds of

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<v Speaker 9>things going on with you know, land men out there,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, securing rights and so on.

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<v Speaker 4>But it gets very complicated. It's hard to say.

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<v Speaker 3>From the air.

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<v Speaker 9>You can tell that there are rarers, but you don't

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<v Speaker 9>not sure how deep they are till they start to dig.

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<v Speaker 9>So it's complicated, it's costly, but it's a boom now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very alarming to me when a lab comes up

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<v Speaker 2>in the book, and when it first comes up, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking crystal math because that was a problem in Riverside,

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<v Speaker 2>San Bernino County for a while when I was practicing law.

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<v Speaker 2>You never wanted to go onto big empty spaces because

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<v Speaker 2>you run into someone cooking met here they're cooking ventanyl

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<v Speaker 2>and I've never read about that. Is that a real

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<v Speaker 2>problem now in the Mountain West.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't say that it's huge, but it has happened.

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<v Speaker 4>That's where I got the whole idea from that.

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<v Speaker 9>It was a small place, a small cabin, not far

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<v Speaker 9>from the interstate Interstate eighty, so it could be serviced, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Chemicals could be brought.

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<v Speaker 9>In because ventanyl production has been slowed down, so they're

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<v Speaker 9>in some cases trying to cook it locally.

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<v Speaker 2>Very alarming, and again I would have people read it

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<v Speaker 2>for this. Then I want to ask you you better

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<v Speaker 2>not get stopped by any state highway patrolmen because there's

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<v Speaker 2>an illusion here that they may not all be on

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<v Speaker 2>the up and out. Chuck. You know that right. They

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<v Speaker 2>lead books too.

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<v Speaker 9>Just like all long haul truckers, all highway troopers are

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<v Speaker 9>all upstanding citizens.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to read page two eight. This is Cassie

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<v Speaker 2>on interrogation. Cassie said, just talk with them, not to them,

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<v Speaker 2>and be friendly about it. Ask them about their lives

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<v Speaker 2>and their interests. Don't judge them overtly. But most of all,

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<v Speaker 2>keep them talking. If you keep them talking long enough,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll let something slip. But if you're dominating the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>or telling them now either clam up or get belligerent,

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<v Speaker 2>that helps no one take their side. If you can

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<v Speaker 2>lend a sympathetic gar to their grievances. If they think

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<v Speaker 2>of you as an antagonist, you won't learn anything. If

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<v Speaker 2>they think of you as their friend or ally, they

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<v Speaker 2>might reveal things that surprise you and help you along.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how to do interviews. How did you learn that, Chuck, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I used to be a journalist.

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<v Speaker 9>I have found over the years, I still love to

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<v Speaker 9>do the research for every book and all the topics

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<v Speaker 9>we're talking about and talk to people about them. And

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<v Speaker 9>I've always the dirty little secret is that you know,

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<v Speaker 9>if you walk up to somebody with an empty notebook,

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<v Speaker 9>often they just feel they just feel compelled to fill

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<v Speaker 9>it and tell you everything about that they can think

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<v Speaker 9>of about their lives, that the work they do. Rarely

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<v Speaker 9>does anyone ask other people about what they do and

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<v Speaker 9>how they do it. So if there's real interest there

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<v Speaker 9>and it's sincere interests, I've never had anybody ever refuse

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<v Speaker 9>an interview.

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<v Speaker 4>Or not tell me.

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<v Speaker 9>Some cases, tell me too much that I can't even

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<v Speaker 9>don't even want to put in the books.

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<v Speaker 2>Has have you used that line before? Because I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>it down. If you have an open notebook in front

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<v Speaker 2>of you, people want to fill the page. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>used that before?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think I've used it. I've used it in talks,

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<v Speaker 4>but I don't think I've used it in the books.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a fabulous line. One more segment Chuck Box. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>CEJ Box's brand new book Crossroads. If you're watching on

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<v Speaker 2>the Salem News Channel, this is a galley, So you

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<v Speaker 2>can't buy the galley, but you can go get the

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<v Speaker 2>book and have it delivered on Monday, because it drops

1:14:11.120 --> 1:14:12.680
<v Speaker 2>on Monday, and you will thank me. And then you

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<v Speaker 2>go back and you'll start at the beginning. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>warning you in advance about the Highway. You won't sleep

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<v Speaker 2>for a while when you read it. Don't go It's

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<v Speaker 2>not a Joe Pickett novel, all right, that's not that's

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<v Speaker 2>a standalone Stay tuned America. I'll be right back with

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<v Speaker 2>CJ Box after this booking back in America. That's Brandy

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<v Speaker 2>by looking Glass, one of the songs in My youth,

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<v Speaker 2>and I play it because there's a Brandy in this

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<v Speaker 2>in this book. No eman blinking. I used to say,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a tripper name, and I don't think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>stripper name. Throw all the brandies out there, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty funny. And I don't know if she's coming back

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<v Speaker 2>around or not. I do want to point out that

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<v Speaker 2>a US Senator from Arkansas is on the case of

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<v Speaker 2>the hedge fund billionaire married to Brandy. Wouldn't know that

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<v Speaker 2>US senator from Arkansas, I was down on the CCP

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<v Speaker 2>would be. But they get their shout out on page

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<v Speaker 2>one ninety one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I forgot about that. Okay, yeah, it's in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you about billionaires. I've had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>to sit down a few times with billionaires, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>like sitting down with you, and like sitting down with

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<v Speaker 2>Dwayne and sitting down with anybody. Dining room table can

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<v Speaker 2>only be so big. People have only so many stories

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<v Speaker 2>to tell. Are all your billionaires bad? Have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>had a good billionaire?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 9>I think I have a couple of books ago there

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<v Speaker 9>were some tech, high tech billionaires, the tech bros. Yeah, trip, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>And they weren't necessarily bad. They were a little out

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<v Speaker 9>of their entitled world enailment, but not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they were entitled. I just think it's interesting. This

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<v Speaker 2>guy is a sleeves ball. We'll see if he comes

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<v Speaker 2>back around again. Is Brandy going to come back around?

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<v Speaker 9>Probably if he is, she is, unless she's got some

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<v Speaker 9>other things on the side, so she may be around.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I mean. That's I don't think she's going

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<v Speaker 2>to come back around unless she's a missing person in

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<v Speaker 2>the book. All right, Now, I want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the two more things. Joe is hopelessly behind on his

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<v Speaker 2>paperwork because he has a new boss who's demanded he

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<v Speaker 2>do a daily report on what he does. That, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, is the bane of many lives, daily reports

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<v Speaker 2>on what you do? Have they ever been effective? Where

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<v Speaker 2>did you get that idea? You don't have a daily

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<v Speaker 2>report to anyone except missus box.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, and I do, I do.

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<v Speaker 9>I never missed that one. But no, I just remember

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<v Speaker 9>talking to a game wardan a few years ago, and

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<v Speaker 9>I was doing a ride along with him, and he

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<v Speaker 9>was grousing about the fact that he previously had supervisors

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<v Speaker 9>who left him alone, who now wanted to be received

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<v Speaker 9>reports every day, and how miserable that was, and how

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<v Speaker 9>he would read the same report every single day and

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<v Speaker 9>the supervisor would never call it out, so we did

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<v Speaker 9>never know if it was red.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's just stuck with me.

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<v Speaker 2>It sticks with me too, because it's part of the

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<v Speaker 2>endless paperwork machine. Then opening Day, I've never thought about

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<v Speaker 2>opening day on hunting season. Hundreds and hundreds of hunters

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<v Speaker 2>over thousands of miles. It's not really a day you'd

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<v Speaker 2>want to work, is it. That's like Elmer Fudddale.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, In fact, if you're a game board you have

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<v Speaker 9>to work it. But for example, where I live in Wyoming,

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<v Speaker 9>there's a day where the general elk season opens up,

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<v Speaker 9>and it is it's a parade of headlights in the

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<v Speaker 9>middle of the night going down the highway. You can't

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<v Speaker 9>even believe there's that many people there or even in

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<v Speaker 9>the area, but it's it's like a local holiday. In fact,

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<v Speaker 9>the kids aren't excused from school because they know they're

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<v Speaker 9>not going to be there anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was in Hillsdale, Michigan, at the college on

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<v Speaker 2>the first day of deer season in Michigan, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>in southern Michigan, and there wasn't a soul to be

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<v Speaker 2>found except in every coffee shop in town. Before dawn.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody was getting breakfast before going out. But they don't

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<v Speaker 2>go out in the they don't go out in the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I hadn't thought about. All those headlights coming

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<v Speaker 2>up the mountain.

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<v Speaker 4>Right and I've been there, I've seen him.

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<v Speaker 9>I've just seen, you know, streams of headlights hitted and

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<v Speaker 9>hopefully if if I don't hunt that much on general

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<v Speaker 9>elk Day. But when I did as a younger man,

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<v Speaker 9>I remember thinking, oh, no, they're all coming into my area.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, but that's just that's the way it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to close up by referencing Dorn of the Mountains.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, I'm the I'm the warden of the

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<v Speaker 2>Collegiate Peak, so I kind of think he's on my turf,

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<v Speaker 2>Dorn of the Mountains. Where did you come up with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's very, very funny.

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<v Speaker 9>It's actually a oh not not Louis Lamore, but it's

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<v Speaker 9>oh the other old Western writers. Western writer Zane Gray

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<v Speaker 9>wrote a book called Zorn of the Mountains, and several

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<v Speaker 9>years ago had a book signing a guys whose name

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<v Speaker 9>was Dorn and can introduce himself as Dorn of the Mountains.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you read saying Gray and the other guy?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Eisenhower got through World War Two reading those?

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<v Speaker 4>I was I I couldn't. I cannot really read Zane Gray.

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<v Speaker 4>I've tried.

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<v Speaker 9>The pros is so purplish that I just distracted. But

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<v Speaker 9>I certainly have read others.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Elmar Leonard wrote a few Westerns in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>but none of them as good as The Crossroads. CJ

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<v Speaker 2>Box congratulation now number twenty six for Joe Pickett, number

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six for overall CJ Box work. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>just work, work, work, So I want people to understand

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<v Speaker 2>it's a fabulous read. Go out and get it, and

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<v Speaker 2>go see CJ and Denver on Sunday or go to

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<v Speaker 2>cjbox dot net and you'll find out where he's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be over the next two weeks. Congratulations CJ. Another bestseller,

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<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate your spending time with me.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you so much to you. I sure appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Always, always a pleasure.