Speaker 1: Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College. All Things
Speaker 1: hillsdalet Hillsdale dot ed or I encourage you to take
Speaker 1: advantage of the many free online courses there and of
Speaker 1: course a listener to the Hillsdale Dialogues, all of them
Speaker 1: at Hugh for Hillsdale dot com or just google Apple,
Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale and he'd be graace America.
Speaker 2: I'm too, qot. We got a lot of news to
Speaker 2: get through today. I'm going to start though, by saluting
Speaker 2: two American originals. Jesse Jackson guy today and I had
Speaker 2: the great fund of interviewing him in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: Came to my studio at KFI and was actually very very,
Speaker 2: very funny and informed. He went full preacher when I said, look,
Speaker 2: I'm a Republican. He stops. I'm gonna pray over you
Speaker 2: right now, Jesus, let's pray over this man. And he
Speaker 2: was just hilarious, and he was also funny, smart, He
Speaker 2: had very great negatives and great great positives, and I
Speaker 2: don't think we will see his like again. The nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty four campaign was really extraordinary. And then one of
Speaker 2: my very favorite actors, Robert Duvald died, and I loved
Speaker 2: him for being Gus McRae in Lonesome Dove, but I
Speaker 2: loved him in The Apostle probably more than anything else,
Speaker 2: for acting, just pure acting. And of course the Godfather
Speaker 2: not a wartime CONSIGLIORI Tom sorry all the way through,
Speaker 2: and I'll give his brief a rundown of his filmography.
Speaker 2: But as I was driving in listening to John pod
Speaker 2: Ortz talk about him today on the commentary podcast at
Speaker 2: the Studio, I thought to myself, you know, duplexus cinemas
Speaker 2: movie theaters now coming in three sizes. There's still an
Speaker 2: occasional big screen out there, but mostly they come in
Speaker 2: three sizes six screens, twelve screens, or twenty screens. And
Speaker 2: I'm thinking even the six screen theaters because they're showing
Speaker 2: the same movie three or four times, especially in the
Speaker 2: twelves in the twenties, like you can go see the
Speaker 2: Ping Pong movie with Timothy on like five different screens
Speaker 2: every five minutes of the day. Just take one of
Speaker 2: those screens and call it the guy screen, just guy screen.
Speaker 2: You never advertise what's on, but you're just showing movies
Speaker 2: of the guys. And I mean, my list is pretty
Speaker 2: exped start with Duval pretty much. You can put on
Speaker 2: the Great Santini, you could put on The Godfather, you
Speaker 2: can put on Open Spaces, you can put on Old Lion,
Speaker 2: whatever you want. Just Duval, He's great and everything. And
Speaker 2: then you would add Gene Hackman, Clint Eastwood, right, Al Pacino,
Speaker 2: Robertson Niro, Bruce Willis, Sylvester Stallone, Mel Gibson. You might
Speaker 2: throw in Richard Rowntree for some diversity. Of course, Samuel L.
Speaker 2: Jackson is in there somewhere, Schwarzenegger, maybe Michael Keaton. You
Speaker 2: might be pushing the upper the lower end of the age.
Speaker 2: If you go abroad, you can of course add Sean
Speaker 2: Khan and Michael Kane. And here's prosident. But I mean,
Speaker 2: just guy flicks and I'll ask Slycs about it later.
Speaker 2: Just okay, we're not gonna we're not gonna throw anything
Speaker 2: at you. Doesn't matter what time you come in. Two
Speaker 2: dollars ticket, you go in, and you sit down, and
Speaker 2: you're in the middle of the Godfather. There is an
Speaker 2: American male over the age of forty who can walk
Speaker 2: past The Godfather and not sit down and start watching it.
Speaker 2: No matter except Godfather three. Nobody sits down and watches
Speaker 2: that but every other and pod Ortz has got a
Speaker 2: great story about that today, by the way, on the
Speaker 2: commentary podcast. But Robert Duvall was my guest on the
Speaker 2: program in twenty ten, and I remember one thing about it.
Speaker 2: He was there to promote a different movie before the Oscar, Boaty,
Speaker 2: So you know he was doing the Hollywood thing out
Speaker 2: there promoting a movie. It wasn't for.
Speaker 3: Himself, it was for his co star.
Speaker 2: Here's that cut, cut number two, Robert de Vall, you
Speaker 2: won the Oscar in nineteen eighty three for portraying this
Speaker 2: alcoholic country singer Max Sledge and Tender Mercies. And now
Speaker 2: Jeff Ridges is nominated for Best Actor for playing bad
Speaker 2: Blake and crazy Heart.
Speaker 4: There's another alcoholic country singer.
Speaker 2: Did you did you guys compare notes on these two
Speaker 2: characters and how to how to get smart about you know,
Speaker 2: an addicted drinker.
Speaker 5: No, didn't compare notes at all. No, But he's gonna
Speaker 5: win the He'll win the Oscar.
Speaker 2: I think he shout it's a magnificent role. Do those
Speaker 2: two characters have much in common?
Speaker 5: The best performances this year are him and this and
Speaker 5: the kid, the young guy in hurt Locker. You see
Speaker 5: hert Locker?
Speaker 2: Yeah, magnificent movie. Yeah, but.
Speaker 5: If we won't talk about that one, my movie is
Speaker 5: a decade, but we won't talk about Okay, but.
Speaker 2: What about bad Blake and Max Ledge? Are they are
Speaker 2: they the same guy or are they different people?
Speaker 5: Oh? No, No, they're different, different different music, different guys,
Speaker 5: different actors, you know, different guys similar similar back. I
Speaker 5: mean it's like he's saying, is Merle Haggard the same
Speaker 5: as Waylon Jennings or Wadlly Jennings the same as Johnny
Speaker 5: Cash that they sing the same kinds of music, but
Speaker 5: the different guys of an individuals, but somewhat similar journeys
Speaker 5: in life, you know what I'm saying, especially from a
Speaker 5: negative aspect, you know, a negative journey?
Speaker 2: How did you come? How'd you come by your knowledge
Speaker 2: of alcoholics? I mean, what, how do you train up
Speaker 2: to play that?
Speaker 3: Or do it?
Speaker 2: Play Wayne? In this movie? To play what to play Wayne?
Speaker 2: The friend?
Speaker 6: Is this?
Speaker 2: What was interesting about this? He's eighty years old and
Speaker 2: he doesn't hear very well sixteen years ago, but what
Speaker 2: I really Jeremy Renner was the guy in Hurt Locker,
Speaker 2: he said best movie of the decade. Right, so he
Speaker 2: is He's booked to come on to promote Jeff Bridges
Speaker 2: in a different movie, and he cannot not promote the
Speaker 2: hurt Locker because that's who he was. I mean, I've
Speaker 2: watched pretty much every Robert Duvall movie a couple of
Speaker 2: times because I just think he's such a fabulous actor.
Speaker 2: And he had nothing to do with Hollywood. I learned
Speaker 2: today he played Stallin twice. I haven't seen those from
Speaker 2: John pod Ortz. I knew he was an anti communist.
Speaker 2: I knew he lived in Virginia. He loved horses, he
Speaker 2: had a farm Mountain, Virginia, and he's kind of he's
Speaker 2: just not into the Hollywood world. He just did his work.
Speaker 2: He loved tango dancing. He made a movie about the
Speaker 2: assassination Tango, which was one of his last flicks. He
Speaker 2: also made Lay Down with Bill Murray, which is a
Speaker 2: hilarious movie if you haven't seen it. But the Great
Speaker 2: Santini is the one that makes the fetching missus Ui
Speaker 2: cry because it's about the Marines. And my friend Glenn
Speaker 2: Viyer's new Pat Conroy a little bit or knew pat
Speaker 2: Conroy's dad. I can't quite remember it, but that's who
Speaker 2: the great Santini is about, and it's magnificent. He should
Speaker 2: have won the Best Actor for that. He wanted for
Speaker 2: Tender Mercies. But the very best thing I can recommend
Speaker 2: to anyone out there is that you watch Lonesome dub
Speaker 2: If you haven't watched Lonesome Dough with Tom E Lee
Speaker 2: Jones and Robert Duvall, you haven't watched great television. It's
Speaker 2: the equal of any television ever made. I think Adam's
Speaker 2: Bybo is up there. There are a few other series
Speaker 2: made for television which are fabulous television, but that was
Speaker 2: early on Lonesome and Blue Duck, Oh Blue Duck. Now,
Speaker 2: I loved the book, and I always wanted to interview
Speaker 2: Larry McMurtry, but Carl wouldn't let me do it. He said, now,
Speaker 2: you're not up to that, and he's probably right. I've
Speaker 2: read everything by the late Larry McMurtry and Carl wouldn't
Speaker 2: let me interview him. But Blue Duck is the greatest
Speaker 2: villain in villain land. And if you don't know who
Speaker 2: Blue Duck is, then you haven't read Lonesome Dove. And
Speaker 2: you ought to read Lonesome Dove. There are two prequels
Speaker 2: and two sequels to Lonesome Dove. By the way, there
Speaker 2: are five books in the McMurtry series. But the television
Speaker 2: show it was on. When is Lonesome Dove, General Lisimo?
Speaker 2: Is it the nineties or is it the eighties? Nineties?
Speaker 2: And I don't know where it's available, if it's available anywhere,
Speaker 2: but if you can go and get it, go and
Speaker 2: get it. We will miss Robert Duvall, we will miss
Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson. Now let's go to the president on Air
Speaker 2: Force one cut number fifteen.
Speaker 7: They're very unhappy that this improvement.
Speaker 3: Forget getting voter ID. They want voter I D.
Speaker 2: The population ninety eight percent, they want.
Speaker 3: Voter I D.
Speaker 7: They don't want voter right D because they want to
Speaker 7: cheat in elections.
Speaker 2: They also want other things.
Speaker 7: They don't want mail in ballots, they want to end
Speaker 7: mail in ballots were just corrupt. And one other thing
Speaker 7: that their insisting owned this proof of citizenship. And the
Speaker 7: Democrats don't want to give the proof of citizenship.
Speaker 2: They don't want to give voter I D.
Speaker 3: Think of it. Who would want proof of citizenship?
Speaker 2: I ask you stam, Yeah, people want to cheat. Let's
Speaker 2: just be if it's not close, they can't cheat. Book
Speaker 2: I wrote in two thousand and four maybe the book
Speaker 2: that I wrote other than in but not of that's
Speaker 2: sold the most and was on the New York Times
Speaker 2: list for the longest because it's just a history of
Speaker 2: Democratic Party cheating and it's well researched, and I know it,
Speaker 2: and I know the subject matter. It's in their DNA.
Speaker 2: They want to cheat, and that's okay, that's sort of
Speaker 2: the American drama. But we also need not to let
Speaker 2: them cheat easily. They got to be smart about it.
Speaker 2: And this is just too easy to go pick up ballots.
Speaker 2: They are lying around places. You got to make them
Speaker 2: work for it. If they're going to cheat. Then on
Speaker 2: Air Force, when he gets asked about Iran, their foreign
Speaker 2: mister came out and lied today and said they had
Speaker 2: a great meeting and we're very close. No, we're not
Speaker 2: cut number seventeen.
Speaker 7: What are you expecting from these Iran talks at Geneva tomorrow?
Speaker 7: So I'll be involved in those talks indirectly and they'll
Speaker 7: be very important and we'll see what do happen. It's
Speaker 7: been typically rants are very tough negotiator. They're good negotiators
Speaker 7: or bad Togo. I would say they're bad negotiators because
Speaker 7: we could add a deal instead of sending the B
Speaker 7: twos into knock out their nuclear potential, and we had
Speaker 7: to send the b twos.
Speaker 3: I hope they're going to be more reasonable.
Speaker 2: They want to make a deal. It's ad that a
Speaker 2: deal is next to impossible.
Speaker 3: I think they want to make a deal.
Speaker 2: That is. By the way, the great Steve Holland, Steve
Speaker 2: Vive Holland is with Reuters. I've traveled abroad with him
Speaker 2: when John Bolton with the NSA. We went abroad with
Speaker 2: the four other reporters, Carrollly, a couple other people and Vivian.
Speaker 2: We had a fabulous trip. But Steve Holland is a
Speaker 2: pros pro. He's absolutely straight up. Listen, listen, let start
Speaker 2: of that again. Just a straight up question, what.
Speaker 1: Are you expecting from these Iran talks at Geneva tomorrow?
Speaker 3: Saby?
Speaker 2: That is a perfect question. What are you the president
Speaker 2: expecting from this the Iran talk tomorrow? Meaning they were
Speaker 2: talking on Monday, not today, Tuesday. And Steve Holland is
Speaker 2: just a reporter, reporter. He is the brand the gold standard?
Speaker 2: Just ask the question, get out of the way the answer. Bravo,
Speaker 2: Steve Holland I'll be right back in architecture.
Speaker 8: The bottom line is we into weeks some months in
Speaker 8: terms of decision making.
Speaker 4: If you're writing, people are hanging home. I attended a
Speaker 4: rally of two.
Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty thousand people on me.
Speaker 6: That's one of the most satisfying experiences of my professional.
Speaker 2: That is Lindsey Graham. I am you Ewan And my
Speaker 2: guess is Josh Holmes, one of the fellows on the
Speaker 2: Ruthless podcast, the farthest left on your radio dial as
Speaker 2: you go left or right. But not politically, mister Holmes,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you worked with one Lindsey Graham's team and
Speaker 2: the Senator himself when you're in the Senate when he
Speaker 2: says that, is he doing wish fulfillment or do you
Speaker 2: think he's accurately gauging the situation?
Speaker 8: Well, I think he sees himself as holding down, you know.
Speaker 8: I mean, however, you want to brand it the neocon
Speaker 8: version of the party or whatever, but he has a
Speaker 8: very specific point of view when it comes to international
Speaker 8: conflict in America's role in the world, and he's always
Speaker 8: done that. I mean, look, there's been a lot of
Speaker 8: iterations Lindsey Graham over the years, but this is one
Speaker 8: consistency that he is fulfilled. And I think, honestly, whether
Speaker 8: or not it plays a hugehuge component into what it
Speaker 8: is that Trump administration decides to do here remains to
Speaker 8: be seen, but I think he's he's look, it's a
Speaker 8: segment of the party.
Speaker 2: No, you know, it's my segment of the party. I
Speaker 2: love Lindsey Graham and I like to By the way,
Speaker 2: this is in good humor. Lindsay's a political cicada. He
Speaker 2: shows up every six years when he's running for reelection,
Speaker 2: does the show a lot, and then he goes away
Speaker 2: for five years because that's who he is, and so
Speaker 2: he comes up out of the ground and so he'll
Speaker 2: be on a lot. But he never stopped talking about
Speaker 2: national security, and I'm now I'm always impressed by that.
Speaker 2: He's been consistent for as long as he's been in
Speaker 2: the House and the Senate.
Speaker 6: Josh Holmes, Yeah, no, I think that's right.
Speaker 8: I mean, look, Lindsay is an interesting fit for today's
Speaker 8: day and age in the Republican Party in that his
Speaker 8: point of view is not particularly different than it was
Speaker 8: in the immediate post Iraq war point of view.
Speaker 6: He articulates it forcefully, he.
Speaker 8: Does it unapologetic, and he invites all comers to critique
Speaker 8: him on a day to day basis. And so look,
Speaker 8: I think he plays a valuable role, much in the
Speaker 8: same way that other elements of the party do too.
Speaker 8: I think this particular moment in time suggests that there's
Speaker 8: an awful lot of Trump foreign policy that follows his
Speaker 8: point of view, and.
Speaker 2: I think I hope it continues. Now, Josh, I want
Speaker 2: to turn to the Senate. I have an article today
Speaker 2: for Fox Knows, our employer, and it's about the talking filibuster.
Speaker 2: And the short version is not now, not ever never.
Speaker 2: It's a terrible idea that a majority leader would lose
Speaker 2: control of the floor. It would eat up precious floor time.
Speaker 2: I have no idea if you've talked about this, because
Speaker 2: I haven't listened to today's show. Yeah, what do you think
Speaker 2: of the talking Philip? But I love Mike Lee. By
Speaker 2: the way, good Man belongs on the Supreme Court. Maybe,
Speaker 2: but the talking filibuster is a terrible ideas.
Speaker 8: It's sort of how I feel about professors versus practitioners
Speaker 8: in that they're a whole bunch of ideas that would
Speaker 8: make what you want in this particular moment in time attainable.
Speaker 6: But if you look at the longer view.
Speaker 8: Of practitioners in the field, I can tell you, as
Speaker 8: somebody who served the highest levels of senior leadership in
Speaker 8: the United States Senate between two thousand and eight and
Speaker 8: twenty fourteen, the amount of horrible ideas.
Speaker 2: That have been stopped.
Speaker 8: By the United States Senate as a result of the
Speaker 8: philib You all would have full socialism, we would have
Speaker 8: nationalized healthcare, we would have open borders codified by a
Speaker 8: statutory By the way, everything that the left is complaining
Speaker 8: about that Donald Trump is doing in terms of deportations,
Speaker 8: they're complaining against statutes written by the Congress and signed
Speaker 8: into law by the President of the United States.
Speaker 6: If not for the filibuster, one of that would exist.
Speaker 8: So I find it just incredibly short sighted that you
Speaker 8: would ever get rid of the filibuster for a fairly
Speaker 8: modest goal in comparison to what the left would love
Speaker 8: to get the filibuster done with, in order to remake
Speaker 8: the American economy and.
Speaker 2: Expand the Supreme Court and make Puerto Rico, which would
Speaker 2: be constitutionally a state. DC cannot constitutionally be made a state,
Speaker 2: but they would try. Now, Josh, I want to get
Speaker 2: to one more topic with you. Ruthless podcast has got
Speaker 2: a gazillion producers because your listeners are producers. You got
Speaker 2: four hosts, you got four producers, and then you got
Speaker 2: the fellows behind the cameras who are producers. I still
Speaker 2: want to suggest something for you. Did you listen to
Speaker 2: former President Obama's interview on Saturday Night with Brian Tyler Cohen?
Speaker 8: We did one I listened to it, but two more importantly,
Speaker 8: listen to you and break that down in just the
Speaker 8: vacuus snake of the entire conversation. I will say Duncan
Speaker 8: on our team took particular problems with the alien thing,
Speaker 8: where he's like, hey, do you believe that aliens exist?
Speaker 6: And he's like, they do exist?
Speaker 2: And then no follow up.
Speaker 8: No, like yes, the former president United States says aliens exist,
Speaker 8: and you don't ask him, well, how do you know
Speaker 8: the exist?
Speaker 6: Where are they?
Speaker 8: How do they work? Like no follow up whatsoever. It
Speaker 8: seems like a pretty big development for something you just.
Speaker 2: Sort of like sunk and got to the end of
Speaker 2: the interview. Then I was on a plane. I was trapped,
Speaker 2: so I had nothing to do except watch it. It's
Speaker 2: the worst interview in terms of a professional interviewer I've
Speaker 2: ever heard. There is no follow up. They don't ask
Speaker 2: him about thirty five thousand dead Iranians with weapons provided
Speaker 2: by the billion and a half dollars in Pallette money
Speaker 2: that we sent him. I only got through fifteen minutes. Josh,
Speaker 2: have you guys gone deeper?
Speaker 6: I think Duncan has.
Speaker 8: I like you have a tolerance for this sort of thing,
Speaker 8: because I've sort of just accepted the fact that it's
Speaker 8: all vacuous, it's all nonsensical, and it's all about trying
Speaker 8: to promote your point of view to people who don't
Speaker 8: do the homework, and that's like the model day Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: Well put, if nobody knows anything, Obama sounds pretty good
Speaker 2: in that interview if they don't know anything about him. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know that that's true about AOC. Here's the
Speaker 2: President of United States on Air Force one yesterday, cut
Speaker 2: number fourteen.
Speaker 7: By the way, I watched AOC answering questions in Munich.
Speaker 2: This was not a good look for the United States,
Speaker 2: but he goes on to say Gavin's not a good
Speaker 2: look either. What do you make of that display?
Speaker 6: She has absolutely not.
Speaker 8: The only thing more dangerous than somebody who has absolutely
Speaker 8: no idea what they're talking about is somebody who doesn't
Speaker 8: know they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, and.
Speaker 6: That is AOC.
Speaker 8: I think the problem is that she's much more dangerous
Speaker 8: to your regular American than people think, and that they
Speaker 8: see her and they think she's just like, she can't
Speaker 8: tell she doesn't know what she's talking about. All of
Speaker 8: us sort of dismiss that.
Speaker 6: Her whole goal is to.
Speaker 8: Try to consolidate people who don't go that far.
Speaker 6: They don't think.
Speaker 8: About this, this this far, and they try to make
Speaker 8: these cases that have no historical basis of success whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Don't you think stage that the Cowboys didn't come from Spain?
Speaker 2: Don't you think that.
Speaker 6: Stage I would hope, Yeah, no, I would hope. I mean,
Speaker 6: her name is, last name is Cortes. How do you
Speaker 6: think that happened? How do you think that happens?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 8: I love that, I just I can't, I literally can't
Speaker 8: with this person. But there's so much of the electorate
Speaker 8: that she's so last.
Speaker 2: I had not thought about that until this moment, Josh Holmes.
Speaker 2: Did you guys talk about that on today's show?
Speaker 4: We didn't.
Speaker 6: I just thought about that right now on Thursday.
Speaker 2: I think you gotta we got to go back and
Speaker 2: play the tape. It's sort of like a bad Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: bad interview Josh Holmes, always a pleasure, paulham At Holmes,
Speaker 2: Josh on X. Listen to the Routhless podcast three.
Speaker 10: Days a week.
Speaker 2: Her last name is cart Thank you, Josh Day tuned America.
Speaker 11: You are starting to see the ascent of the right,
Speaker 11: even in places like Munich. Marco Rubio's speech was a
Speaker 11: pure appeal to Western culture. My favorite part was when
Speaker 11: he said that American cowboys came from Spain.
Speaker 12: I believe the Mexicans and.
Speaker 11: Descendants of African.
Speaker 6: Slave enslaved people's would like.
Speaker 2: To have a word welcome back America. That is the
Speaker 2: aforementioned AOC. I am joined by David M. Drucker of
Speaker 2: The Dispatch. David Josh Holmes just said, her last name
Speaker 2: is Cortez. Why is she missing?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean talk to the people in New Mexico,
Speaker 13: because there's a long line of Spanish descendants Americans for
Speaker 13: many generations over. But look this, this continent has been
Speaker 13: enriched by people from all over Europe, not to mention
Speaker 13: people from Central and South America.
Speaker 2: So who knows, well, horses aren't native to North and
Speaker 2: South America. That's been always the rap on the Book
Speaker 2: of Mormon, right, is that that's got horses in it.
Speaker 2: There weren't any horses here.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm not aware of
Speaker 13: that detail, but I'm not just missing it. But like
Speaker 13: we all know that, we all learned that in grade school.
Speaker 13: Even if we've forgotten it. You know, I've probably forgotten
Speaker 13: more than I remember, but when you mention it, it
Speaker 13: all sounds familiar. AOC is a very good politician. She's
Speaker 13: very good at connecting with people. She's a very adept populist.
Speaker 13: But there are many things she does not appear to know.
Speaker 2: I think she's going to be their nominee, and I
Speaker 2: think we would be we being Republicans, not you being
Speaker 2: a journalist who is nonpartisan, but I being a Republican partisan,
Speaker 2: We would be well advised not to underestimator, despite the
Speaker 2: fact she gives us ample reason to do so. David.
Speaker 2: You are a native southern California, aren't you. I am, okay,
Speaker 2: so I want to know. You're younger than I am
Speaker 2: by a lot. But when you would go to big
Speaker 2: movies in your teen days, would you go to Westwood
Speaker 2: or would you go down to Newport Beach to Big Newport?
Speaker 13: So you know, I grew up in Malibu and hung
Speaker 13: out in Santa Monica and West La So I always
Speaker 13: went to Westwood Village. We had the Man Bruin, We
Speaker 13: have the Man Village. I think those two big theaters
Speaker 13: are still there. And then there were a bunch of
Speaker 13: others in Westwood Village that were very large.
Speaker 4: But that's where I grew up seeing movies.
Speaker 2: So I learned a couple of weeks ago that Big Newport.
Speaker 2: I only moved to California in seventy eight, and I
Speaker 2: started going to movies in Big Newport when I lived
Speaker 2: in Orange County. But I go to Westwood as well,
Speaker 2: and those theaters are dinosaurs and they're tearing down Big Newport.
Speaker 2: I bring it up because Robert Duval died and I
Speaker 2: think the Godfather on a small screen would not have
Speaker 2: been the Godfather.
Speaker 13: Well, I think one of the things that we're missing
Speaker 13: just because of innovation and the evolution of the entertainment
Speaker 13: industry is that movies were big shared cultural phenomenon, right.
Speaker 13: I mean, I remember as a kid in kindergarten, which
Speaker 13: would have been nineteen seventy six ish seventy five seventy six,
Speaker 13: and Star Wars was the biggest the first Star Wars,
Speaker 13: the very first, which was you know, technically number three
Speaker 13: or six or whatever the heck it is in the storyline,
Speaker 13: was the biggest thing to ever hit movie theaters at
Speaker 13: that time, and it was such a.
Speaker 3: Shared cultural phenomenon.
Speaker 4: My parents and actually take me to.
Speaker 13: See it, but I just told everybody I saw it
Speaker 13: because I didn't want to be left out. And you know,
Speaker 13: you couldn't see movies any other way but in the
Speaker 13: theater back then, except you waited five or six or
Speaker 13: seven years, and then you could see with commercials on
Speaker 13: network television.
Speaker 6: So it just I love the way things are.
Speaker 2: Star Wars a Newport in the summer of nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 2: and I won't ever forget it, But I'm just curious
Speaker 2: if they had the same experience in Westwood that I
Speaker 2: did in Big Newport. You know, the lines existed. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to get in the line, you couldn't reserve a seat,
Speaker 2: so the lines would be out there for forty five
Speaker 2: minutes an hour. You would wait and then inevitably someone
Speaker 2: would cut it in the front and they went to USC.
Speaker 13: Was that your experience completely? I saw in nineteen eighty
Speaker 13: nine I graduated from high school. We went from Santa
Speaker 13: Monica to Westwood Village and got in line for the
Speaker 13: midnight showing and it was blocks long, and they ran
Speaker 13: out of tickets for a midnight showing. That's just how
Speaker 13: big of a deal movies were. But you know, obviously
Speaker 13: it's a company town in LA and in southern California broadly,
Speaker 13: but again, it shared cultural experiences that are not quite
Speaker 13: the same now, just given all of the different ways
Speaker 13: we can see movies first run.
Speaker 2: Well, I know you're a bruined, but can you confirm
Speaker 2: that they had a class at trojan Land where how
Speaker 2: to cut into line and say I'm from USC? Is
Speaker 2: that what did they teach that at USC?
Speaker 13: I don't doubt it. I mean anything that's uncouth or unethical.
Speaker 13: They probably talked that's.
Speaker 2: It, that's it. And I can't help but that their
Speaker 2: band doesn't have trumpets. They'd never had trumpets, and people
Speaker 2: get upset about that. David, would you go to the
Speaker 2: Rose Bowl for UCLA brewin games? Were you the guy
Speaker 2: that was there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I was there.
Speaker 4: In fact, I grew up.
Speaker 13: I never missed almost never missed a home game from
Speaker 13: but basically my entire childhood.
Speaker 4: My father adopted UCLA back.
Speaker 13: In the forties when they played at the Coliseum and
Speaker 13: didn't really have much of a program compared to USC,
Speaker 13: so we adopt to the underdog, and I grew up
Speaker 13: first going to the Coliseum and then.
Speaker 4: The Rose Ball.
Speaker 13: It's really the only thing I really miss about living
Speaker 13: in southern California is UCLA football and basketball games notwithstanding,
Speaker 13: and I've not had much cheer about, but I still
Speaker 13: miss it.
Speaker 2: Did you Are you old enough to have gone to
Speaker 2: see Wooden in his prime?
Speaker 13: I'm old enough that I was there for games, but
Speaker 13: I do not remember them because I'm not old enough
Speaker 13: to have remembered them.
Speaker 4: But I went to his basketball camps.
Speaker 13: You dad had very experiences, Oh yeah, and where he coached,
Speaker 13: I mean, and he was very active at his camps.
Speaker 13: I would get his autograph, I would eat meals with him.
Speaker 13: We used to they used to do the basketball camp
Speaker 13: at cal Lutheran University, and it was at the same
Speaker 13: time that the Dallas Cowboys were there for training camp.
Speaker 13: So I was hanging I mean I say hanging out,
Speaker 13: I mean we'd be in the same mess hall, as
Speaker 13: Tony Dorr said in All of Them. You know, it
Speaker 13: was a different world back then.
Speaker 2: Very Chargers used to train at UCI. Did John Woodin
Speaker 2: teach you how to tie your shoes at his camp,
Speaker 2: because that's how he opens his books.
Speaker 13: Double socks, tire shoes And almost everything he taught us
Speaker 13: was without a basketball. All of the defensive drills, all
Speaker 13: of the shooting drills, there was no basketball involved. It
Speaker 13: was all about muscle memory and fundamentals.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Help you right about that, David. Because I'm not
Speaker 2: a California and I'm a transplant. But everyone who's a
Speaker 2: native had lunch with John Mooton at some point or
Speaker 2: knew him somewhere because he was ubiquitous. He was also
Speaker 2: such a good person and lived modestly. I think out
Speaker 2: in the valley somewhere after he retired, and we'll go
Speaker 2: to breakfast at the same place every day. Have you
Speaker 2: ever written about him?
Speaker 13: I've never written about him. He never made, if my
Speaker 13: memory service, he never made more than twenty seven thousand
Speaker 13: dollars annually as the head coach of the UCLA Bruins
Speaker 13: men's basketball program. He ended up in Encino. He would
Speaker 13: go to the same diner or coffee shop every day,
Speaker 13: and I were forgetting the name. And he ended up
Speaker 13: making money then later as a sneaker.
Speaker 3: But what am I.
Speaker 2: Thought, David, if you can stick around, I want to
Speaker 2: ask you about Jesse Jackson, since you're a political writer
Speaker 2: and you remember that. So I'm going to get two
Speaker 2: minutes of David Drucker on the other side about Jesse Jackson.
Speaker 2: Doesn't go anywhere America. I'm huge it. Welcome back in America.
Speaker 2: I'm Hugh Hewett, David Drucker. I asked you to stick
Speaker 2: around because you've covered Jesse Jackson for a long time.
Speaker 2: What's his place in American political history?
Speaker 13: I mean, he's an iconic democratic politician and social activist,
Speaker 13: you know. I mean he's one of those politicians or
Speaker 13: activists that you know in the in the eighties in particular,
Speaker 13: just for somebody of my age, you know, I knew
Speaker 13: who the president was, I knew who the governor was
Speaker 13: and Jesse Jackson is somebody who I knew who he
Speaker 13: was because he had just a very sort of he
Speaker 13: was a ubiquitous presence. But you know, he was somebody
Speaker 13: who just was a major figure. Now obviously, you know,
Speaker 13: there are plenty of things he did for conservatives to
Speaker 13: disagree with, not not Democrats didn't agree with them all
Speaker 13: the time. He said, sometimes said and did things that
Speaker 13: were that he shouldn't have said. And that's you know,
Speaker 13: there was there was the HEIMI toown remark that he
Speaker 13: made with anti Semitic overtones. But when you're just looking
Speaker 13: for an influential figure with longevity and American politics, who
Speaker 13: was very influential and who Democrats will tell you really
Speaker 13: you know, in a sense forced them to loosen the
Speaker 13: rules of the nominating process, which later cleared the way
Speaker 13: for somebody like Barack Obama to have a shot as
Speaker 13: an outsider in the Democratic primary. And who was a
Speaker 13: mentor to other African American activists, civil rights activists. I mean,
Speaker 13: I mean, the man's career is hard.
Speaker 2: To match, well said, an extraordinary career with its valleys,
Speaker 2: with its peaks, and a fellow who will be remembered
Speaker 2: for years and years and years. David M. Drukkernak, thank
Speaker 2: you for joining me from the dispatch. I wanted someone
Speaker 2: who covered him to actually condense that, and you did it.
Speaker 2: Thank you friend. Come back round number two today, as
Speaker 2: you do. A ship foundation is not then, As Josh
Speaker 2: Holmes noted in last hour, her last name is Cortes.
Speaker 2: She ought to know about the Spanish and horses. I'm
Speaker 2: joined by Brett Behar, anchor Special Report. Of course he's
Speaker 2: America as an anchor and you can watch him every
Speaker 2: night at six on the Fox News Channel. Brett Aoc
Speaker 2: kind of stepped in it a couple of times in Munich.
Speaker 2: Any lasting damage in your assessment, I.
Speaker 10: Don't think it was good you. I mean, I think
Speaker 10: if your your purpose was to go over there and
Speaker 10: show your foreign policy shops, I think you needed to
Speaker 10: read up on the brief on some of those issues
Speaker 10: at Taiwan. Is not a surprise question, and one would
Speaker 10: think that of the things that you got to bone
Speaker 10: up on Taiwan would be one of them. But listen,
Speaker 10: this is it lasting damage. I don't think it's it's great,
Speaker 10: but I'm sure she's going to have a political future
Speaker 10: minus her Munich performance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brett Barrett. I asked President Trump about the Triad
Speaker 2: when he was mister Trump in twenty fifteen, and he
Speaker 2: didn't really know, and it didn't really matter because he said,
Speaker 2: I'll learn when I need to know. Is that good enough?
Speaker 2: In these days, I don't.
Speaker 10: Know the nuclear triad and China and Taiwan feel a
Speaker 10: little different. But I do think, you know, when you
Speaker 10: get to that point, you bone up and you're ready
Speaker 10: for a debate. I think there's a bigger question about
Speaker 10: you know, her experience her. You know, she's clearly a
Speaker 10: political talent and gets a lot of people fired up.
Speaker 10: But I'm not sure that the party's going to rally
Speaker 10: besides the left side of the party of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 2: I'm saying now. I talked with President Trump in January
Speaker 2: and I asked him about AOC and he said, she's
Speaker 2: quite a talent. She's got a lot of I think
Speaker 2: I use the word sparkler. He did. But she's never
Speaker 2: done an interview. This was really the first interview I've
Speaker 2: seen where she was asked anything. Have you ever had
Speaker 2: a chance to talk to her? Is she going arms way?
Speaker 10: It's been a while, I mean, it's it's probably been
Speaker 10: let's see, four years. But she came on set on
Speaker 10: Special Report and it was we spent a lot of
Speaker 10: time talking about the beginning of COVID and where that was,
Speaker 10: but we cover a lot of territory. I pressed her
Speaker 10: on a couple of things. She was savvy, had, you know,
Speaker 10: a good sense of things, but that was her wheelhouse.
Speaker 10: This was taking her out of her wheelhouse of every
Speaker 10: day and I guess, you know, just thinking about how
Speaker 10: she's dealt with other things, maybe the bar was a
Speaker 10: little bit higher.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, yesterday I spent the first I spent an
Speaker 2: hour in the show on the first fifteen minutes of
Speaker 2: the former President Obama's interview released on Saturday Night with
Speaker 2: Brian Tyler Cohen, and it was it took me an
Speaker 2: hour to get through fifteen minutes because it was it
Speaker 2: was vacuous, It was utterly devoid of substance. As I
Speaker 2: suppose many of my thinkers would say, is presidency was.
Speaker 2: Have you had a chance to watch that yet.
Speaker 10: Brett, Yeah, I did watch it. I watched the whole thing.
Speaker 10: What did you say, unbelievable as that is, I watched
Speaker 10: the whole thing besides the alien back and forth and
Speaker 10: clean up. I was, you know, it felt like Obama
Speaker 10: of old.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 10: The first time I sat down with him was three
Speaker 10: days before Obamacare. The legislation was voted on in the
Speaker 10: House and I was given thirty minutes in the Blue Room.
Speaker 10: And then I got there and he said, Okay, Brett,
Speaker 10: we're going to do twenty minutes. And I said, miss President,
Speaker 10: whatever time you have is great. And so the first
Speaker 10: question I asked I was a four minute answer, and
Speaker 10: the second question was a three minute answer. And there
Speaker 10: was a White House staff member with an iPhone taking
Speaker 10: backwards from twenty minutes in my line of sight. And
Speaker 10: so it did not surprise me, you know, some of
Speaker 10: those long, lengthy answers and kind of how he delivers
Speaker 10: on substance. I think he maybe saved AOC a bit,
Speaker 10: because you know, the former president speaking out takes a
Speaker 10: lot of them. You know, it's sort of like a
Speaker 10: bug zapper in the backyard. It kind of gets all
Speaker 10: the focus.
Speaker 2: All I got from that interview was that he signaled
Speaker 2: AOC and Gavin Newsom are acceptable. He did not mention
Speaker 2: Josh Shapiro, He did not mention Governor Basher, he didn't
Speaker 2: mention anyone on the kind of center left side of
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party was progressive, progressive, progressive, progressive, and I
Speaker 2: think he was in that signal. He wasn't there to
Speaker 2: answer any questions, and they didn't get asked about Iran,
Speaker 2: which is sort of astonishing. I don't know, mister Cohenie.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's new to this game. He's interviewed a lot
Speaker 2: of Democrats. But you got to ask at least a
Speaker 2: couple of tough ones, don't you, Brent.
Speaker 10: I mean, especially on Iran that is in the middle
Speaker 10: of negotiations. You know about a nuclear program that you
Speaker 10: signed a JCPOA and and authorized money going to Iran
Speaker 10: that arguably a lot of experts say fueled their efforts
Speaker 10: to fund terrorist proxies. So yeah, I would think there
Speaker 10: would be a couple more tough ones in there. I
Speaker 10: agree with you, it was sort of not substance wise.
Speaker 10: I didn't get a lot out of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's probably he's thirty five or thirty
Speaker 2: seven years old and new to it. Brett. Let me
Speaker 2: go back to your Pentagon days. I think you were
Speaker 2: there for the build up before Afghanistan. I mean, I
Speaker 2: know you were there for the build up at the
Speaker 2: Pentagon before Afghanistan. Were you still there for the build
Speaker 2: up to a rock invasion in two thousand and three
Speaker 2: or had you gone over to the Yeah, okay.
Speaker 10: No, I was there from one to six.
Speaker 2: So you've seen this massive deployment of military resources. Have
Speaker 2: you seen anything like this other than one for Afghanistan
Speaker 2: and three for I Rack.
Speaker 10: No, Well, we'll keep on focusing on the naval assets.
Speaker 10: But the Air Force has moved a ton of a
Speaker 10: ton of equipment over into the region just in the
Speaker 10: past three days. And yeah, we haven't seen this in
Speaker 10: a long long time. Now. It doesn't have the same
Speaker 10: you know, troop compartment that the invasion of Iraq did.
Speaker 10: I mean I was in Kuwait for all that build
Speaker 10: up and you know, but it is significant. I mean,
Speaker 10: it's not to be dismissed. And you don't do that
Speaker 10: as just a threat. I don't think now.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can affect regime. It's been done before,
Speaker 2: regime changed, done in Serbia with Melosovich via the air,
Speaker 2: done in Kadathi land via the air. But I don't
Speaker 2: think you can dig the IRGC out of their holes
Speaker 2: in Iran. It's ninety two million people. Do you agree
Speaker 2: with me on that you can't do just an air campaign?
Speaker 10: No, I agree with you. There has to be some
Speaker 10: kind of ground component, But I don't know what the
Speaker 10: plan is for that, and right now I don't see
Speaker 10: opposition forces that are unified or under one one leader.
Speaker 2: So exit question given the Foreign minister coming out today,
Speaker 2: and so now we're going to good to go for
Speaker 2: next week and we're going to get together. And then
Speaker 2: Channel twelve in Israel reporting that the American that told
Speaker 2: the Israelis were at a dead end. Where do you
Speaker 2: say the truth in this chaff and this wilderness of
Speaker 2: mirrors we're in.
Speaker 10: I think that Wikoff and Kushner will be pretty blunt
Speaker 10: with the President and that if it's a sense that
Speaker 10: it's not going anywhere, they will say that. I think
Speaker 10: that the Runian Foreign minister, you saw them on my show,
Speaker 10: it was like Bagdad, Bob, you know where nothing's happening
Speaker 10: here as the tanks rolled by to get Saddam Hussein.
Speaker 10: So I don't think you can take those statements of
Speaker 10: where the negotiations are as face value. I think that
Speaker 10: there's going to be an assessment. And while the President
Speaker 10: wants a diplomatic solution. I don't think they're going to
Speaker 10: wait forever.
Speaker 2: Her last question in two thousand and three one Sherman
Speaker 2: Myers did a lot of talking. Ice Chairman Past did
Speaker 2: a lot of talking. W didn't Who's going to be
Speaker 2: doing talking if we do? Rumsfeld came out and talked
Speaker 2: almost every day. Rummy was great. Who's going to be
Speaker 2: doing the talking on this?
Speaker 10: It's a great question. I think probably the President, and
Speaker 10: I think he's probably going to run point. I don't
Speaker 10: think it's going to be Secretary of Hegseth and General
Speaker 10: Kine has kept a low profile, but you're right. I
Speaker 10: mean back when I covered the Pentagon and bos of those,
Speaker 10: Afghanistan and Rock it was daytime soap opera when Secretary
Speaker 10: of Rumsfeld and Armon Myers came out, so it.
Speaker 2: Was very illuminating. It was also funny. I'll still remember
Speaker 2: Meyers saying to Pace, I didn't know Marines had big
Speaker 2: words like that, but it was great. Brett will be
Speaker 2: watching tonight for the latest out of Iran. Don't miss
Speaker 2: special report every night on your TV on the Fox
Speaker 2: News Channel at six pm Eastern. Thank you, Brett, Welcome
Speaker 2: back in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, Byron York with the
Speaker 2: Washington Examiner, Fox News contributor Extraordinary Joints Me now follow
Speaker 2: him on X at Byron York. Byron, what do you
Speaker 2: make of the aftermath of the talks in Geneva today
Speaker 2: with Iran?
Speaker 12: Well, they're happening that good. I felt after the first
Speaker 12: session in which there was you know, there was it
Speaker 12: was barely face to face at all, uh, that this
Speaker 12: was never going to go anywhere, And it's still never
Speaker 12: going to go anywhere without uh, probably the use of
Speaker 12: American force. And I'm pretty much still there today.
Speaker 2: So stuck at dead end. Here's Vice President Vance with
Speaker 2: Martha McCollum earlier today. Or do we not have it
Speaker 2: ran Cuba?
Speaker 14: Well, I'm obviously not going to make any announcements today.
Speaker 14: I think the president has a lot of options. We
Speaker 14: do have a very powerful military. The President's shown a
Speaker 14: willingness to use it. He also has a remarkable diplomatic team.
Speaker 14: He's shown a willingness to use that too, And so
Speaker 14: what the President has been very clear with the Iranians.
Speaker 14: And actually I just talked to Steve Wookoff and Jared
Speaker 14: Kushner this morning about some of their negotiations is the
Speaker 14: United States has certain red lines. Our primary interest here
Speaker 14: is we don't want a Ran to get a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 14: We don't want nuclear proliferation. If it Ran gets a
Speaker 14: nuclear weapon, there are a lot of other regimes, some friendly,
Speaker 14: some not so friendly, who would get nuclear weapons after them.
Speaker 14: That would be a disaster for the American people because
Speaker 14: then you have these crazy regimes all over the world
Speaker 14: with the most dangerous weapons in the world. And that's
Speaker 14: one of the things the President has said he's going
Speaker 14: to prevent. Now, we would very much like, as the
Speaker 14: President has said, to resolve this through a conversation and
Speaker 14: a diplomatic negotiation. But the President has all options on
Speaker 14: the table. And you know, one thing about negotiation I
Speaker 14: will say this morning is you know, in some ways
Speaker 14: it went well, they agreed to meet afterwards. But in
Speaker 14: other way is it was very clear that the President
Speaker 14: has set some red lines that the Iranians are not
Speaker 14: yet willing to actually acknowledge and work through. So we're
Speaker 14: going to keep on working it. But of course the
Speaker 14: President reserves the ability to say when he thinks that
Speaker 14: diplomacy has reached its natural end, we hope it will
Speaker 14: get to that point.
Speaker 3: But if we do, that'll be the president.
Speaker 2: So Byron, I think the vice president is doing his
Speaker 2: job as a vice president, but he's not willing to
Speaker 2: acknowledge some of the red lines as well. He didn't
Speaker 2: say no missiles, he didn't say don't kill your own people.
Speaker 2: He didn't say stop supporting has Blond. I'm awesome ooties, right, and.
Speaker 12: I'm but you get the sense that, you know, when
Speaker 12: obviously Iran knows that you've got this enormous American armado
Speaker 12: growing within striking distance, and it doesn't exactly know how
Speaker 12: to get out of this, but it does though that
Speaker 12: if you promise to keep talking, maybe you can put it,
Speaker 12: put it off until something happens. And you just get
Speaker 12: the sense that with these these slightly hopeful things that
Speaker 12: the foreign minister says, the Uranian foreign minister says that
Speaker 12: it's basically intended to buy them a little time in
Speaker 12: hopes of something the other. Now on our side, you know,
Speaker 12: I have to say, I mean, do you think that
Speaker 12: President Trump is kind of if he takes military action
Speaker 12: against Iran, do you think he's really prepared the American
Speaker 12: people for why he would be doing this.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he has, but the news media has.
Speaker 2: In other words, the missile threat is real and growing.
Speaker 2: The support of Hesbaalah and Hamas is real and enduring,
Speaker 2: and they murdered thirty five thousand of their own people.
Speaker 2: So I don't he had not done what WAD did
Speaker 2: before two thousand and three, two thousand and one, which
Speaker 2: is worn of casualties. He hasn't on which hw did
Speaker 2: before ninety one, which is to warn a you know,
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dead. He hadn't done that, But I
Speaker 2: don't think he believes that that's possible either.
Speaker 12: Well, obviously it was a big surprise to people when
Speaker 12: he did this in Venezuela. Even though he built up
Speaker 12: an armada down there, he really hadn't prepared for the
Speaker 12: American people for it actually was going to take. But
Speaker 12: it was quick, it was very, very sharply focused. This
Speaker 12: we're still not sure exactly what the United States would
Speaker 12: be doing, although the every capability to do it quite
Speaker 12: a lot. And I don't think I would disagree with
Speaker 12: you in a sense that the media can kind of
Speaker 12: prepare the way for this. I think there's nobody who
Speaker 12: can prepare the way for this except the president of
Speaker 12: the United States who said we're going to do this, this,
Speaker 12: and this, or they have to do you know, they
Speaker 12: have to get rid of their nuclear program, they have
Speaker 12: to stop killing people, and they have to stop supporting,
Speaker 12: you know, regional terrorist organizations. And if they don't do it,
Speaker 12: we're gonna hit them. I think if those are the
Speaker 12: United States standards, that has to be articulated by the president.
Speaker 2: Well, the president has said the missile program. And to me, Byron,
Speaker 2: when you were young, did you ever play poker Jack's
Speaker 2: Open Trip to Win?
Speaker 12: No, I don't believe I did.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Jack's Open Trip to win five card game,
Speaker 2: and you can't up the annie. You can't bat unless
Speaker 2: you have at least jacks, and so sometimes everybody falls in.
Speaker 2: You just re up the annie again. The Urons don't
Speaker 2: they runnies, don't have jacks. They can't open these negotiates.
Speaker 2: They've got nothing to give us that doesn't endanger their regime.
Speaker 10: You know that.
Speaker 12: That's a good point. And now Trumps said, and I
Speaker 12: think he's direct the United States do pretty grievous damage
Speaker 12: to their nuclear program, which is not coming back tomorrow.
Speaker 12: On the other hand, I don't know is is big
Speaker 12: US military action necessary here?
Speaker 2: I think because my perspective that from national security only,
Speaker 2: is that the missiles are a threat not just to
Speaker 2: Israel and the UAE and cutter, but to Southern Europe,
Speaker 2: and eventually they will be a threat to US, and
Speaker 2: they can make them into dirty bombs. And I do
Speaker 2: believe that that regime, which can murder thirty five thousand people,
Speaker 2: would not hesitate a moment to use dirty bombs on
Speaker 2: our allies and on us. If they could, I think
Speaker 2: they can hit Camp Bond Steal right now.
Speaker 12: Actually, well, I mean, Israel has significant military capabilities on
Speaker 12: its own, and they had done but you know, before
Speaker 12: the United States went in with the bunkerbusters and took
Speaker 12: out the nuclear facilities, they had done. Israel had done
Speaker 12: significant damage beforehand.
Speaker 2: They had, but they didn't. We stopped them from finishing
Speaker 2: the job.
Speaker 12: Byron well that they could finish the job. So I'm
Speaker 12: just wondering, you know, why it's absolutely necessary? What in
Speaker 12: president has not made the case depending on how big
Speaker 12: this military action is if it comes. I mean that's
Speaker 12: a really important variable here because obviously the president went in,
Speaker 12: did one bombing run on the military, on the nuclear
Speaker 12: facilities and that took care of things. So depending on
Speaker 12: how big it is, how extensive it is, whether it
Speaker 12: involves Americans at risk, you have to have a presidential
Speaker 12: justification and explanation for this, and we just haven't had
Speaker 12: it from the president.
Speaker 2: Not yet. I think it would be as well if
Speaker 2: he did it, but he can do it after the
Speaker 2: fact as well, once it's begun. I don't know that
Speaker 2: we ever had Bill Clinton explain Serbia or Barack Obama
Speaker 2: explain Libya, and that was a disaster for both of them,
Speaker 2: by the way. So it's a good point.
Speaker 3: Byron.
Speaker 2: I hope he does it, Byron York America, follow him
Speaker 2: on ecceit Byron York, watch him on Fox and as
Speaker 2: Ridam in the Washington Sandra, I'll be right there, Robert Tavall,
Speaker 2: you won the Oscar in nineteen eighty three for portraying
Speaker 2: the alcoholic country singer Max Sledge and Tender Mercies, and
Speaker 2: now Jeff Bridges is nominated for Best Actor for playing
Speaker 2: Bad Blake and Crazy Heart.
Speaker 4: Who's another alcoholic country singer?
Speaker 2: Did you guys compare notes on these two characters and
Speaker 2: how to get smart about, you know, an addicted drinker?
Speaker 5: No, didn't compare notes at all. No, but he's gonna win.
Speaker 5: He'll win the Oscar.
Speaker 2: I think you should it, so welcome back, Oma. That's
Speaker 2: Robert Duvall from twenty ten when he was on the
Speaker 2: program with me and I talked about him at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the show, but I wanted to really talk
Speaker 2: to Lilax about him, because when anybody dies, Lilac and
Speaker 2: I are about the same age, and we have about
Speaker 2: the same impression of people. Usually, Lilax, what do you
Speaker 2: think of Robert duval.
Speaker 3: He was absolutely wonderful.
Speaker 15: He was an incredible actual As people have pointed out,
Speaker 15: and I was saying nothing new. He had an expansive
Speaker 15: range in which you could be that guy who was
Speaker 15: incredibly quiet and complex and rich inside but also boisterous
Speaker 15: and outgoing. And called his brio an actor of an
Speaker 15: era that we're just not seeing anymore.
Speaker 3: We don't see.
Speaker 15: Guys that much anymore who have this sort of confident,
Speaker 15: inhabited masculinity that goes back a couple of generations to
Speaker 15: an archetype that now we miss because we had to
Speaker 15: get rid of it.
Speaker 3: We had to get rid.
Speaker 15: Of it, you know, coincidentally with you know, DeVault came
Speaker 15: up when he was coming up. The actors of that generation,
Speaker 15: there would be the ones, you know, you're Alan Aldas
Speaker 15: who would be more in touch and they're sensitive sides
Speaker 15: and the rest of it all could if he had to.
Speaker 15: But he was a throwback, like a lot of these
Speaker 15: guys were, and we're going to lose them, one after
Speaker 15: the other after the other. We're going to see a
Speaker 15: great culling in the next few years where the great
Speaker 15: actors and a lot of the great musicians rock musicians
Speaker 15: that we grew up with are going to die as well.
Speaker 15: You feel very, very old when somebody who was up
Speaker 15: there seeing, you know, shake your moody when you were
Speaker 15: in high school and having a grand old time and
Speaker 15: feeling the fruits of youth would never wither on the vine.
Speaker 15: When they start going out in their seventy seven or
Speaker 15: they're you know, sixty nine or something like that, that's
Speaker 15: when times winged Cherriot.
Speaker 3: You feel the breath and the horses hot on your neck.
Speaker 2: Now I've got an idea which I floated in the
Speaker 2: first segment of the show. I want to bounce off
Speaker 2: of you. You know how, there are a lot of
Speaker 2: theaters around the country with multiplex. They got like twenty screens,
Speaker 2: and they have one screen that they just dedicate to
Speaker 2: random movies. I would suggest that they simply assure the
Speaker 2: moviegoer that the film they're about to see, either as
Speaker 2: Robert Devald, Gene Hackman, Clint Eastwood, al Pacino, or Robert
Speaker 2: de Niro in it, that one of these great and
Speaker 2: there might be someone else on that list. They don't
Speaker 2: they don't even tell you what the movie is. You're
Speaker 2: reading it deval Hackman, Eastwood, Pacino or de Niro, go
Speaker 2: on and sit down and enjoy. We'll keep playing them
Speaker 2: all day. Do you think that would work?
Speaker 3: I think it would. It'd be great. With de Nio,
Speaker 3: you're kind of watering the podle a little bit, the
Speaker 3: twenty years.
Speaker 2: Ago me and there you go.
Speaker 15: And if you charge the buck fifty, you know you're
Speaker 15: not going to do this to make enoughul lot of money.
Speaker 15: And it's not as if they have to recoup the
Speaker 15: cost in something that was made in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 3: But that would be great.
Speaker 15: It would be wonderful, in fact, if you just didn't
Speaker 15: have more than one theater with those guys, but you
Speaker 15: had another there with the old great black and white
Speaker 15: movies somehow, you know, and make it a schooling experience.
Speaker 15: Kids hate that black and white. They can't figure out
Speaker 15: why anybody would want to. But when you expose them
Speaker 15: to the beauties of a monochrome palette and realize how
Speaker 15: in the nineteen forties you would watch a movie and
Speaker 15: when you see it on your television, on your screen,
Speaker 15: or even god forbid, on your phone, and the whole
Speaker 15: face is filled with thistle. You know, the whole screen
Speaker 15: is this luminescent close up of a glowing face. It
Speaker 15: doesn't have the impact of sitting in the theater before
Speaker 15: the silver screen and seeing the entirety of your vision
Speaker 15: filled up with Ingrid Bergmann and her Liquia's eyes.
Speaker 3: I mean that would be an education as well.
Speaker 15: And given that these movies just roll in for a
Speaker 15: week or so and play to fifty sixty people or so,
Speaker 15: I mean, drop the price, give them free popcorn, and
Speaker 15: let it be an educational experience in the glories of
Speaker 15: American culture, which include.
Speaker 2: The movie and in a multipi clients don't good at it,
Speaker 2: you've got it. I mean they're throwing the same movie
Speaker 2: eight times a day at some of these screens and
Speaker 2: just the dedicated screen, the black and white. She was
Speaker 2: tried in LA for years there was a film a
Speaker 2: movie theater on I can't remember. It's on the west
Speaker 2: side of LA south of Wiltshire, that showed nothing but
Speaker 2: the grand old films of the black and white era.
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking good action picks like The French Connection,
Speaker 2: or The Godfather or you name it. The Apostle is
Speaker 2: my favorite, Denio, or you could even show Lonesome dub.
Speaker 2: People would just drop in for a couple of hours
Speaker 2: and get what they wanted, right.
Speaker 15: But they would if you presume that mall culture in
Speaker 15: this place is still healthy, that there's still a lot
Speaker 15: of guys who are wandering around.
Speaker 3: The theater while the white shops or something, you know,
Speaker 3: in the mall, while the white shops or something, you
Speaker 3: can only go to so many stories.
Speaker 15: You know, Well, I don't have my size of pants there.
Speaker 15: I guess I'm gonna sit down here by the froyo
Speaker 15: for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean for those.
Speaker 15: Guys, it would be great, but it's getting everybody else
Speaker 15: you do with It's going to be the question the
Speaker 15: movie going experience seems to the American DNA fractured at
Speaker 15: some point, something happened in twenty twenty, trying to remember
Speaker 15: what that might have been that seemed to separate us
Speaker 15: from the communal experience of movies. We'll go out to
Speaker 15: see a Maverick because we know we're going to rock
Speaker 15: and roll, and you sense around is going to warm,
Speaker 15: She's going to vibrate our bones, and Tom Cruise will
Speaker 15: be the last movie star and the rest of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, fly about Duval in that interview, I played you
Speaker 2: a little bit of He had come on to promote
Speaker 2: the movie with Jeff Bridges, but he ended up promoting
Speaker 2: hurt Locker to get the copy more. He really didn't
Speaker 2: care what he said. He was totally indifferent Hollywood, totally indifferent.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I've had interviews like that that have gone that way,
Speaker 15: my favorite being with William Shatner, which was more work
Speaker 15: than I've done in my life, and that includes, you know,
Speaker 15: a stange as a seed salesman in the South. But yeah,
Speaker 15: I mean you get the sense of the personality right there,
Speaker 15: and yes, does it come across the screen? Yes, is
Speaker 15: it's reach across generations? You'd like to think. So the
Speaker 15: test is just finding out whether or not it does,
Speaker 15: whether or not the generations that have grown up on
Speaker 15: CGI and in huge Marvel movies where nothing really means anything,
Speaker 15: where people are thrown into walls and get right up,
Speaker 15: where ninety eight pound women fights two hundred pounds Soviet
Speaker 15: Russian assassins. So the rest of it, whether or not
Speaker 15: the vacuity and the emptiness and the frivolity of the
Speaker 15: movies that we've.
Speaker 3: Had lately, whether we can bring people back to some
Speaker 3: solid stuff.
Speaker 15: Now, when you make a good horror film and you
Speaker 15: make an eight twenty four film, you make a film
Speaker 15: that reaches a certain modern audience.
Speaker 3: They love it and it's great.
Speaker 15: So it's still there, but it feels the movie stars
Speaker 15: in the movie experience feels like a waning experience, and
Speaker 15: I don't know what it'll take to get us back
Speaker 15: to it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's unfortunate Robert Duvall is not a wartime consigliori.
Speaker 2: But other than that, he was a very, very fabulous actor.
Speaker 2: I want to close, but do you have a favorite
Speaker 2: Duval movie?
Speaker 3: No, it is a matter of fact. I think of
Speaker 3: one and then I think of another.
Speaker 2: So close with what you're going to close with, did
Speaker 2: you enjoy Lonesome Dove. Not a movie, just the greatest
Speaker 2: television series ever.
Speaker 3: Made when it came out. Yes, yes, indeed that's so.
Speaker 2: You think Tommy Lee Jones is taking the remains of
Speaker 2: Bob Duvall Robert Duvall across the country in a wagon.
Speaker 15: I hope so, I absolutely, absolutely hope so because Dominie
Speaker 15: Jones are one of the few that we got left hands.
Speaker 2: And it is one of the guys we got left. We
Speaker 2: also have Lylex left and Hewett and we'll keep doing
Speaker 2: this once a week for as long as they allow us.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Lilas. Go find him at James Lylax dot
Speaker 2: subtact dot com James Lyilex dot subtact dot com. I'll
Speaker 2: be right back.
Speaker 15: In his new movie, The Dragons Prophecy, Danish de Suza
Speaker 15: brings the new Middle East into focus.
Speaker 8: Could the fate of the world of humanity itself be
Speaker 8: somehow tied to this place?
Speaker 2: But long last, we have peace in the Middle East.
Speaker 9: Israel and Christians are coming together in a way they
Speaker 9: have never been before.
Speaker 4: Is this the end of mus and radical Islam?
Speaker 15: The Dragons Prophecy is powerful prophetic, A must see movie now,
Speaker 15: A they all on Amazon, YouTube and iTunes.
Speaker 2: Hiight you, Hewitt? You've heard me talk a lot about
Speaker 2: Consumer Selller how you can switch your care and save
Speaker 2: money without sacrifice. That's because Consumer Cellular uses the same
Speaker 2: towers as the major carrier. You'll save money every month
Speaker 2: on your bill without having to sacrifice the quality of coverage.
Speaker 2: Right now, you get your second month free plus. Folks
Speaker 2: over fifty get two lines of unlimited talk, text and
Speaker 2: data for sixty dollars a month. That's in addition to
Speaker 2: the second month totally free using promo code Q And
Speaker 2: are you tired of your wireless company telling you have
Speaker 2: to talk to an AI robot, download an app or
Speaker 2: on Horizon pay ten dollars to talk to someone when
Speaker 2: paying your bill? Yeah? No thanks. Consumer Cellular ranks number
Speaker 2: one for network coverage and customer satisfaction according to ACSI.
Speaker 2: Whether you're switching online or over the phone, you'll be
Speaker 2: working with an actual human being based right here in
Speaker 2: the US. So switch and get your second month free
Speaker 2: plus two unlimited lines of sixty dollars. If you're over fifty,
Speaker 2: go to Consumer slllar dot com, slash u promo HU
Speaker 2: or call one hundred eight or call one eight hundred
Speaker 2: four one one forty four fifty four one eight hundred
Speaker 2: four one one forty four to fifty four. That's one
Speaker 2: eight hundred four one, one forty four to fifty four.
Speaker 2: Don't forget My code is Hugh.
Speaker 4: T job.
Speaker 2: Boy Marrion, even Grace America. Time for a treat That
Speaker 2: is Crossroad Blues by Robert Johnson. We are told in
Speaker 2: the first page of this new novel by C. J. Box,
Speaker 2: The Crossroads. That's from nineteen thirty six. CJ Box is back, CJ.
Speaker 2: How do you know about The Crossroads Blues?
Speaker 9: I've been a I'm a blues fan, have been a
Speaker 9: blues fan for a long time.
Speaker 2: I think I.
Speaker 9: Probably first heard it by Eric Clapton, then found out
Speaker 9: when the song was actually written and how old it was.
Speaker 4: But it's a classic.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not a blues guy, and I appreciate the intro.
Speaker 2: Gave me the good intro music. Congratulations on the Crossroads.
Speaker 2: It is a fabulous read. I read it last night
Speaker 2: in this morning, so it's about an eight hour read.
Speaker 2: I want people to know that you can blow through
Speaker 2: it and it's addictive. I also want people to know
Speaker 2: that it has in it Clarkson's Farm for real, Really,
Speaker 2: did you like Clarkson's Farm?
Speaker 9: I love Clarkson's Farm. Yeah, we're big fans.
Speaker 2: I watched about four episodes and I decided it was
Speaker 2: the same show again and again and again. Second. Oh no, oh, no, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe we'll go back. Then. I want to know about
Speaker 2: Mollybox and Prairie Stage Creative. Who's in the acknowledgments. I
Speaker 2: assume your daughter is running some kind of PR firm.
Speaker 9: Well, she's a graphic designer and an artist at a
Speaker 9: very accomplished artist. And luckily for me, she runs all
Speaker 9: my social media so I don't have to, and she's.
Speaker 4: Much better at it than i'd be anyway.
Speaker 9: But because she grew up with the books and reads
Speaker 9: all the books and gets them before they go to print,
Speaker 9: she along with her sisters, are great help in all
Speaker 9: of the all the novels, and I'll give me their
Speaker 9: notes before I actually send it off to the publisher.
Speaker 2: Well, CJ, this is a fabulous book at number twenty
Speaker 2: six in the Joe Pickett series. Now we have some
Speaker 2: new affiliates from Florida up to the Upper Midwest that
Speaker 2: had not heard you before. So CJ has been coming
Speaker 2: on the program for two decades whenever Joe Pickett novel
Speaker 2: comes out and occasionally not. And Joe Pickett is a
Speaker 2: Wyoming game Warden. He's now number ten out of fifty.
Speaker 2: His badge is pretty high up there.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's advancing seniority over the years. That's why it
Speaker 9: works in real life in Wyoming. With each year and
Speaker 9: game wardens retire and every other game warden gets advanced
Speaker 9: one space. So conceivably he could become game Warden number one,
Speaker 9: But I'm not looking that far ahead.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's every something. He's going to get
Speaker 2: broken in rank for something. Let me ask you, probably, Chuck,
Speaker 2: this is a movie. I mean it's a standalone movie
Speaker 2: because it's got a lot of female leads in it,
Speaker 2: and they could do the backstory pretty easily. Has it
Speaker 2: been optioned?
Speaker 4: No, it has not been.
Speaker 9: As an individual that gets complicated you because the rights
Speaker 9: to the Joe Pickett are still with Paramount Plus, and
Speaker 9: that's being renegotiated again because of the TV show next year.
Speaker 9: If they do not develop the show either any further,
Speaker 9: those will those rights will revert back to us, and
Speaker 9: then possibly who knows.
Speaker 2: Well paramount. Ought to just make this as a standalone again.
Speaker 2: It's got fabulous roles for women as well as bad guys,
Speaker 2: and for Joe and for Nate and for everybody else
Speaker 2: in the Joe Pickett universe. But it's fabulous. I want
Speaker 2: to ask before I do it. And by the way,
Speaker 2: Casey Duell crossover, has that ever happened before?
Speaker 4: I made him mention earlier?
Speaker 9: It gets complicated because Cassie Duell, those books the Highway,
Speaker 9: one of your favorites. Yeah, I know, those are all
Speaker 9: with a different publisher, with McMillan, and so doing a.
Speaker 4: Crossover is a little risky. I just figured easier.
Speaker 9: To apologize and ask permission and wanted to do that.
Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to Cassie probably in segment three,
Speaker 2: but before we go alonger, I want people don't know
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth Joe Picket books, nine others stand alone
Speaker 2: thirty six book. Do you ever get tired?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 9: I honestly, I enjoy nothing more than writing books, especially
Speaker 9: the first drafts. I try to do them during the
Speaker 9: winter because in here where I are a little ranch
Speaker 9: in Wyoming, there's not a lot going on, and try
Speaker 9: to get them done by summer, so I can fish
Speaker 9: and play golf, and I go to work every day
Speaker 9: just like you do.
Speaker 4: Probably not, I don't work as hard as you do, Hugh.
Speaker 9: I don't work how I work every day.
Speaker 2: Drain doesn't work. I don't work. Harley and Adam work,
Speaker 2: the rest of us don't. All right, now, you are
Speaker 2: doing a book tour. I put that on my AX account,
Speaker 2: but they can find it. What at cjbox dot net
Speaker 2: or is it net? What's the website?
Speaker 4: Cjbox dot net.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's correct, and it starts in Colorado on Sunday,
Speaker 2: my birthday, my seventieth birthday, by the way. I just
Speaker 2: want to let.
Speaker 4: People know, happy birthday.
Speaker 2: I know it's my I know you're doing that for me,
Speaker 2: but I can't be at the tattered book cover or
Speaker 2: whatever it's called in Denver. But it's all posted on
Speaker 2: the web and it's fabulous. I want to pick a
Speaker 2: fight with you though. You bring up the Polaris Ranger,
Speaker 2: the ATV and I got a few pictures of them
Speaker 2: that I don't know if Harley was able to find
Speaker 2: them or not, but you weren't specific enough. This is
Speaker 2: the one I like. And then there's another one which
Speaker 2: is blue, and then there's got a little back thing
Speaker 2: on the back. Then and then there's this one. Which
Speaker 2: one are you talking about?
Speaker 9: You know, the very first one you showed, the red one,
Speaker 9: the fourth person with the little dump truck on the back.
Speaker 9: We own that, So that's what I have in mind
Speaker 9: when I was writing about it.
Speaker 2: So you drive them? You really do drive those?
Speaker 4: We take them out almost every day.
Speaker 2: Yes, arn't there like personal injury lawyer, get rich, get
Speaker 2: for card free? Right? Isn't that what those are?
Speaker 9: I think they're pretty safe. I have yet to roll it,
Speaker 9: although I've come close.
Speaker 2: So I've got to talk without giving away. I don't
Speaker 2: even want to give it away. I don't want to
Speaker 2: give away as much as the blurb gives away over
Speaker 2: at Amazon dot com, because the blurb gives a little
Speaker 2: bit away. But I'm not going to give that much away.
Speaker 2: People have to go and look at the Amazon dot
Speaker 2: com link to find out. But I do want to
Speaker 2: bring up a few compliments on sidebars. First of all,
Speaker 2: I love the coffee checks. I think they should invite
Speaker 2: Lauren Trumley over to have breakfast with him. What do
Speaker 2: you think?
Speaker 9: I think that's a good idea. Yeah, the coffee Chick.
Speaker 9: You know, I think we've talked about it before. I
Speaker 9: give away your name in a CJ box booked all
Speaker 9: sorts of fundraisers or at Wyoming in the Mountain West,
Speaker 9: and one of the winners cup last year was a woman,
Speaker 9: seventy year old woman in Torrington, Wyoming, who said she
Speaker 9: wants of the Coffee Chicks, her group that gets together
Speaker 9: every morning and runs the town. And I was trying
Speaker 9: to figure out how to work that in a book,
Speaker 9: and it could fill in perfectly.
Speaker 2: I thought, Yeah, I thought that was before you gave
Speaker 2: the names away, and then you decided I have five more.
Speaker 2: Let's see Cheryl, Betty, Shawna, and Debbie. And they're all
Speaker 2: names from that generation, right, They're gone now, there aren't
Speaker 2: any more. Denise's so well played. And I like Lauren
Speaker 2: Trumpy as well. Is that a giveaway?
Speaker 4: No, that I think I made that name up.
Speaker 9: That's one of the few I didn't take from the
Speaker 9: you Know your Name in and and actually from a
Speaker 9: previous book.
Speaker 2: Oh I forgot I forgot names from a previous book.
Speaker 2: I love by the way the Crossroads. Everything works, every
Speaker 2: detail in this book. How long does it take to
Speaker 2: pay for.
Speaker 4: This one was a little more complicated than most.
Speaker 9: Hopefully readers won't say, oh, this is complicated though the
Speaker 9: pages will fly, but because we can give a little
Speaker 9: bit away. I mean, Joe Pickett is nearly injured in
Speaker 9: the very first pages of the book, and Joe goes
Speaker 9: into a coma airlifted out. His three daughters. Adult daughters
Speaker 9: all come together and decide to figure out which of
Speaker 9: the three ranches that Joe was likely visiting at the
Speaker 9: crossroads was responsible.
Speaker 4: For the ambush.
Speaker 9: So that's how it begins, and then there are flashbacks
Speaker 9: to all.
Speaker 4: The events leading up to the ambush.
Speaker 9: At the same time the girls are investigating the potential murderers.
Speaker 2: You gave away more than I was going would be,
Speaker 2: so I'm not at fault.
Speaker 4: I did it.
Speaker 2: All I tell the people is I've got the galley chair.
Speaker 2: I picked them up, walked out of the studio yesterday
Speaker 2: Dwayne and Adam and Harley will Levere and said, I
Speaker 2: got to go home and read Chuck's book. And I asked, Dwayne,
Speaker 2: is it a one day read? He said, absolutely, It's
Speaker 2: a page turner. And it turned out to be. I
Speaker 2: want to tell people it's you know, you don't have
Speaker 2: to read the first twenty five, though it might lead
Speaker 2: you to go back and do it, because it doesn't
Speaker 2: give away anything about the previous twenty five except in
Speaker 2: illusion to maybe Nate a little bit. But I just
Speaker 2: think it's fabulous for people who are starting out and
Speaker 2: they want to get the first one. You also thank you,
Speaker 2: saying to my heart, you have two endangered species in here.
Speaker 2: You have the it's not really an endangered species. The
Speaker 2: sagegrouse is protected by Wyoming under a special deal with
Speaker 2: the nuts at the US Fish and Wildlife Service, not
Speaker 2: the listed as endangered. And then you've got a spelling
Speaker 2: bee word to Ptarmigan?
Speaker 9: How do I say that Armigan? Just forget the pee
Speaker 9: and they're just Ptarmigan. Okay, that's another yeah, right, No,
Speaker 9: they're they're game birds, but they're they're more mountain they're
Speaker 9: very quick little birds. Tarmagan. You can go Ptarmigan hunting.
Speaker 9: It's really rough country, usually on the size of rocky hillsides.
Speaker 9: They're unique to the West and the step.
Speaker 2: Pretty sure I've never bagged one.
Speaker 4: Chuck, I'm pretty sure you haven't.
Speaker 2: No, I don't, I've not gotten it. But it's a
Speaker 2: great spelling B word. I think people need to go
Speaker 2: look at a P T A R M I G
Speaker 2: A N. I asked to fetching missus Sewett last night,
Speaker 2: what in the world is arm against? Did I know
Speaker 2: the word? But I don't know what it is? So
Speaker 2: we both looked up. But you've got the sage grouse
Speaker 2: and the ptarmagin. And when we come back, we'll talk
Speaker 2: about other rip from the headline controversies in CJ's brand
Speaker 2: new book, The Crossroads, the latest in the Joe Pickett
Speaker 2: Theater series. Head over to Amazon dot com, get it
Speaker 2: delivered on Monday, which is publication day it drops, and
Speaker 2: go see him in Denver. Go over to cjbox dot
Speaker 2: net to find out the rest of the book signing events.
Speaker 2: I'll be right back with CJJA two. Welcome back to America.
Speaker 2: I'm Hugh Hewett Chuck Box. Do you know what that
Speaker 2: music is?
Speaker 4: It's from The Godfather, Yes, you know what?
Speaker 3: And it's from.
Speaker 9: Oh isn't it from the uh? Not the funeral? But
Speaker 9: it's from the parade and got.
Speaker 2: It's a hospital scene. Ah okay, And so.
Speaker 4: That's pretty clever, well, very.
Speaker 2: Clever writing in the book, and people have to read
Speaker 2: the book to know what I'm talking about. But there
Speaker 2: are always hospital scenes in CJ. Box thrillers for Joe Pickett,
Speaker 2: and there's one in this that made me think of
Speaker 2: a young uh al Pacino going with the Baker to
Speaker 2: stand in front of the deserted hospital and shy away
Speaker 2: the gangsters. And I went and rewatched it today. It's
Speaker 2: a fabulous scene that you set up. By the way,
Speaker 2: was that on your mind when.
Speaker 3: You did it?
Speaker 9: Not necessarily some you know, I do outline. I do
Speaker 9: a lot of pre planning, but sometimes something will just
Speaker 9: pop up kind of in context of the of the
Speaker 9: story that I will add in. And that was when
Speaker 9: I added in, was when yeah, we don't want to
Speaker 9: talk about the circumstances now, yes, it's very similar.
Speaker 2: Now, when did you get interested in brain surgery? Because
Speaker 2: I learned more about brain surgery in this book, and
Speaker 2: I mean it really is brain surgery, so not a joke.
Speaker 2: There's brain surgery in the book. When did you get
Speaker 2: interested in that?
Speaker 4: There is?
Speaker 9: You know, I happened to read a book by called
Speaker 9: gray Matter, by a neurosurgeon called doctor Theodore Schwartz, came
Speaker 9: out last year I can't Yeah, I can't even remember
Speaker 9: why I got it, but it was so fascinating because he's.
Speaker 4: Not only a renowned surgeon, he's a great writer and
Speaker 4: described things really well.
Speaker 9: And one of the things that fascinated me was how
Speaker 9: sometimes the personalities of patients people change after brain surgery,
Speaker 9: after a severe brain damage. How sometimes you know, a
Speaker 9: lion becomes a lamb, or a lamb becomes a lion,
Speaker 9: or you know, total personality change. And it fascinated me
Speaker 9: because it did, you know, went into the depths of
Speaker 9: brain surgery.
Speaker 4: And I wanted to add that in this book.
Speaker 9: So I asked doctor Swartz if he would look over
Speaker 9: the chapters that I wrote about it and fix my errors,
Speaker 9: and he fixed a few, and so I think it's
Speaker 9: pretty accurate.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's a thriller within a thriller because it
Speaker 2: does plumb. You quote Winston Churchill, tell you about the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union, which is it's a riddle wrapped inside and
Speaker 2: mystery inside and enigma. That's the human brain. I thought
Speaker 2: it was fabulous. Now there's also blue. I want to
Speaker 2: make sure people understand that we go from brain surgery
Speaker 2: to blue in the crossroads are you a grandfather. I am.
Speaker 4: We have four grandchildren and another one on the way,
Speaker 4: so I know you are.
Speaker 9: I know you're familiar with blue Absolutely anybody our age
Speaker 9: with grandchildren.
Speaker 4: It's a great show.
Speaker 2: It is. Daniel Tiger and Blueie have got me out
Speaker 2: of many a Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 3: Jam.
Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about saving me rip stuff from the headlines.
Speaker 2: I made a list. Not only do we have the
Speaker 2: endangered species I mentioned, we got rare earth. We got
Speaker 2: fatanyl I military age males coming over the border in
Speaker 2: division strength. You know, I talked about that last week
Speaker 2: with a national security person before I read Crossroads, and
Speaker 2: I don't think many people are aware of that. Check
Speaker 2: Where did you learn about that?
Speaker 4: On the Hugh Hewitt Show?
Speaker 9: Like I learned so many things, seriously, maybe not the
Speaker 9: rare earths, but a lot of the geopolitical issues.
Speaker 4: I listen every day, but I get smart. I listened
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 2: You you didn't learn about rare earths from me? Because
Speaker 2: I can't even pronounce the names of these things. I
Speaker 2: wrote them down in my back flap. We've got dys inmium, terbium, pyrasidimium, dysprosonium.
Speaker 2: Did I get any of those, right.
Speaker 9: I think, so, I'm not sure I can pronounce them.
Speaker 9: I did a lot of research into that, you know,
Speaker 9: that's kind of think. Rare earths are not that rare.
Speaker 9: They're everywhere, But why they're surprised is if they're in
Speaker 9: huge concentrations, and the biggest problem with with retrieving them
Speaker 9: is refining them. In the United States, and that's there's
Speaker 9: a there's a Wild West gold rush going.
Speaker 3: On in the Mountain West.
Speaker 9: Some of the biggest discoveries of rare earth deposits have
Speaker 9: been found in the last few years in the state
Speaker 9: of Wyoming, all over the state. So yeah, people are
Speaker 9: looking for them all over. They're finding them. They're talking
Speaker 9: about how many trillion dollars worth of rare earth there are.
Speaker 9: It's wild.
Speaker 2: The technology of finding them, which is described in this
Speaker 2: book as a subplot, is all new to me. And
Speaker 2: I has all of Wyoming now been mapped, because that's
Speaker 2: what I would do at scale. If it's that valuable,
Speaker 2: you would map all of Wyoming, wouldn't you.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I can't say if it's all been mapped.
Speaker 9: I know that the areas that are most likely to
Speaker 9: have those kind of geological formations. There's all kinds of
Speaker 9: things going on with you know, land men out there,
Speaker 9: you know, securing rights and so on.
Speaker 4: But it gets very complicated. It's hard to say.
Speaker 3: From the air.
Speaker 9: You can tell that there are rarers, but you don't
Speaker 9: not sure how deep they are till they start to dig.
Speaker 9: So it's complicated, it's costly, but it's a boom now.
Speaker 2: It's very alarming to me when a lab comes up
Speaker 2: in the book, and when it first comes up, I'm
Speaker 2: thinking crystal math because that was a problem in Riverside,
Speaker 2: San Bernino County for a while when I was practicing law.
Speaker 2: You never wanted to go onto big empty spaces because
Speaker 2: you run into someone cooking met here they're cooking ventanyl
Speaker 2: and I've never read about that. Is that a real
Speaker 2: problem now in the Mountain West.
Speaker 4: I can't say that it's huge, but it has happened.
Speaker 4: That's where I got the whole idea from that.
Speaker 9: It was a small place, a small cabin, not far
Speaker 9: from the interstate Interstate eighty, so it could be serviced, the.
Speaker 4: Chemicals could be brought.
Speaker 9: In because ventanyl production has been slowed down, so they're
Speaker 9: in some cases trying to cook it locally.
Speaker 2: Very alarming, and again I would have people read it
Speaker 2: for this. Then I want to ask you you better
Speaker 2: not get stopped by any state highway patrolmen because there's
Speaker 2: an illusion here that they may not all be on
Speaker 2: the up and out. Chuck. You know that right. They
Speaker 2: lead books too.
Speaker 9: Just like all long haul truckers, all highway troopers are
Speaker 9: all upstanding citizens.
Speaker 2: I want to read page two eight. This is Cassie
Speaker 2: on interrogation. Cassie said, just talk with them, not to them,
Speaker 2: and be friendly about it. Ask them about their lives
Speaker 2: and their interests. Don't judge them overtly. But most of all,
Speaker 2: keep them talking. If you keep them talking long enough,
Speaker 2: they'll let something slip. But if you're dominating the conversation
Speaker 2: or telling them now either clam up or get belligerent,
Speaker 2: that helps no one take their side. If you can
Speaker 2: lend a sympathetic gar to their grievances. If they think
Speaker 2: of you as an antagonist, you won't learn anything. If
Speaker 2: they think of you as their friend or ally, they
Speaker 2: might reveal things that surprise you and help you along.
Speaker 2: That's how to do interviews. How did you learn that, Chuck, Well,
Speaker 2: I mean I used to be a journalist.
Speaker 9: I have found over the years, I still love to
Speaker 9: do the research for every book and all the topics
Speaker 9: we're talking about and talk to people about them. And
Speaker 9: I've always the dirty little secret is that you know,
Speaker 9: if you walk up to somebody with an empty notebook,
Speaker 9: often they just feel they just feel compelled to fill
Speaker 9: it and tell you everything about that they can think
Speaker 9: of about their lives, that the work they do. Rarely
Speaker 9: does anyone ask other people about what they do and
Speaker 9: how they do it. So if there's real interest there
Speaker 9: and it's sincere interests, I've never had anybody ever refuse
Speaker 9: an interview.
Speaker 4: Or not tell me.
Speaker 9: Some cases, tell me too much that I can't even
Speaker 9: don't even want to put in the books.
Speaker 2: Has have you used that line before? Because I wrote
Speaker 2: it down. If you have an open notebook in front
Speaker 2: of you, people want to fill the page. Have you
Speaker 2: used that before?
Speaker 4: I don't think I've used it. I've used it in talks,
Speaker 4: but I don't think I've used it in the books.
Speaker 2: It's a fabulous line. One more segment Chuck Box. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: CEJ Box's brand new book Crossroads. If you're watching on
Speaker 2: the Salem News Channel, this is a galley, So you
Speaker 2: can't buy the galley, but you can go get the
Speaker 2: book and have it delivered on Monday, because it drops
Speaker 2: on Monday, and you will thank me. And then you
Speaker 2: go back and you'll start at the beginning. I'm just
Speaker 2: warning you in advance about the Highway. You won't sleep
Speaker 2: for a while when you read it. Don't go It's
Speaker 2: not a Joe Pickett novel, all right, that's not that's
Speaker 2: a standalone Stay tuned America. I'll be right back with
Speaker 2: CJ Box after this booking back in America. That's Brandy
Speaker 2: by looking Glass, one of the songs in My youth,
Speaker 2: and I play it because there's a Brandy in this
Speaker 2: in this book. No eman blinking. I used to say,
Speaker 2: that's a tripper name, and I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: stripper name. Throw all the brandies out there, but it's
Speaker 2: pretty funny. And I don't know if she's coming back
Speaker 2: around or not. I do want to point out that
Speaker 2: a US Senator from Arkansas is on the case of
Speaker 2: the hedge fund billionaire married to Brandy. Wouldn't know that
Speaker 2: US senator from Arkansas, I was down on the CCP
Speaker 2: would be. But they get their shout out on page
Speaker 2: one ninety one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot about that. Okay, yeah, it's in there.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you about billionaires. I've had the opportunity
Speaker 2: to sit down a few times with billionaires, and they're
Speaker 2: like sitting down with you, and like sitting down with
Speaker 2: Dwayne and sitting down with anybody. Dining room table can
Speaker 2: only be so big. People have only so many stories
Speaker 2: to tell. Are all your billionaires bad? Have you ever
Speaker 2: had a good billionaire?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 9: I think I have a couple of books ago there
Speaker 9: were some tech, high tech billionaires, the tech bros. Yeah, trip, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 9: And they weren't necessarily bad. They were a little out
Speaker 9: of their entitled world enailment, but not bad.
Speaker 2: No, they were entitled. I just think it's interesting. This
Speaker 2: guy is a sleeves ball. We'll see if he comes
Speaker 2: back around again. Is Brandy going to come back around?
Speaker 9: Probably if he is, she is, unless she's got some
Speaker 9: other things on the side, so she may be around.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. That's I don't think she's going
Speaker 2: to come back around unless she's a missing person in
Speaker 2: the book. All right, Now, I want to talk about
Speaker 2: the two more things. Joe is hopelessly behind on his
Speaker 2: paperwork because he has a new boss who's demanded he
Speaker 2: do a daily report on what he does. That, by
Speaker 2: the way, is the bane of many lives, daily reports
Speaker 2: on what you do? Have they ever been effective? Where
Speaker 2: did you get that idea? You don't have a daily
Speaker 2: report to anyone except missus box.
Speaker 4: That's right, and I do, I do.
Speaker 9: I never missed that one. But no, I just remember
Speaker 9: talking to a game wardan a few years ago, and
Speaker 9: I was doing a ride along with him, and he
Speaker 9: was grousing about the fact that he previously had supervisors
Speaker 9: who left him alone, who now wanted to be received
Speaker 9: reports every day, and how miserable that was, and how
Speaker 9: he would read the same report every single day and
Speaker 9: the supervisor would never call it out, so we did
Speaker 9: never know if it was red.
Speaker 4: But that's just stuck with me.
Speaker 2: It sticks with me too, because it's part of the
Speaker 2: endless paperwork machine. Then opening Day, I've never thought about
Speaker 2: opening day on hunting season. Hundreds and hundreds of hunters
Speaker 2: over thousands of miles. It's not really a day you'd
Speaker 2: want to work, is it. That's like Elmer Fudddale.
Speaker 9: Well, In fact, if you're a game board you have
Speaker 9: to work it. But for example, where I live in Wyoming,
Speaker 9: there's a day where the general elk season opens up,
Speaker 9: and it is it's a parade of headlights in the
Speaker 9: middle of the night going down the highway. You can't
Speaker 9: even believe there's that many people there or even in
Speaker 9: the area, but it's it's like a local holiday. In fact,
Speaker 9: the kids aren't excused from school because they know they're
Speaker 9: not going to be there anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in Hillsdale, Michigan, at the college on
Speaker 2: the first day of deer season in Michigan, and it's
Speaker 2: in southern Michigan, and there wasn't a soul to be
Speaker 2: found except in every coffee shop in town. Before dawn.
Speaker 2: Everybody was getting breakfast before going out. But they don't
Speaker 2: go out in the they don't go out in the dark.
Speaker 2: That's what I hadn't thought about. All those headlights coming
Speaker 2: up the mountain.
Speaker 4: Right and I've been there, I've seen him.
Speaker 9: I've just seen, you know, streams of headlights hitted and
Speaker 9: hopefully if if I don't hunt that much on general
Speaker 9: elk Day. But when I did as a younger man,
Speaker 9: I remember thinking, oh, no, they're all coming into my area.
Speaker 4: Oh no, but that's just that's the way it is.
Speaker 2: I want to close up by referencing Dorn of the Mountains.
Speaker 2: First of all, I'm the I'm the warden of the
Speaker 2: Collegiate Peak, so I kind of think he's on my turf,
Speaker 2: Dorn of the Mountains. Where did you come up with that?
Speaker 2: Because it's very, very funny.
Speaker 9: It's actually a oh not not Louis Lamore, but it's
Speaker 9: oh the other old Western writers. Western writer Zane Gray
Speaker 9: wrote a book called Zorn of the Mountains, and several
Speaker 9: years ago had a book signing a guys whose name
Speaker 9: was Dorn and can introduce himself as Dorn of the Mountains.
Speaker 2: Do you read saying Gray and the other guy?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Eisenhower got through World War Two reading those?
Speaker 4: I was I I couldn't. I cannot really read Zane Gray.
Speaker 4: I've tried.
Speaker 9: The pros is so purplish that I just distracted. But
Speaker 9: I certainly have read others.
Speaker 2: Now. Elmar Leonard wrote a few Westerns in the day,
Speaker 2: but none of them as good as The Crossroads. CJ
Speaker 2: Box congratulation now number twenty six for Joe Pickett, number
Speaker 2: thirty six for overall CJ Box work. I mean, you
Speaker 2: just work, work, work, So I want people to understand
Speaker 2: it's a fabulous read. Go out and get it, and
Speaker 2: go see CJ and Denver on Sunday or go to
Speaker 2: cjbox dot net and you'll find out where he's going
Speaker 2: to be over the next two weeks. Congratulations CJ. Another bestseller,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate your spending time with me.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much to you. I sure appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Always, always a pleasure.