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Speaker 2: I'm too, qot. We got a lot of news to

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Speaker 2: get through today. I'm going to start though, by saluting

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Speaker 2: two American originals. Jesse Jackson guy today and I had

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Speaker 2: the great fund of interviewing him in nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 2: Came to my studio at KFI and was actually very very,

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Speaker 2: very funny and informed. He went full preacher when I said, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm a Republican. He stops. I'm gonna pray over you

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Speaker 2: right now, Jesus, let's pray over this man. And he

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Speaker 2: was just hilarious, and he was also funny, smart, He

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Speaker 2: had very great negatives and great great positives, and I

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Speaker 2: don't think we will see his like again. The nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty four campaign was really extraordinary. And then one of

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Speaker 2: my very favorite actors, Robert Duvald died, and I loved

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Speaker 2: him for being Gus McRae in Lonesome Dove, but I

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Speaker 2: loved him in The Apostle probably more than anything else,

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Speaker 2: for acting, just pure acting. And of course the Godfather

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Speaker 2: not a wartime CONSIGLIORI Tom sorry all the way through,

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Speaker 2: and I'll give his brief a rundown of his filmography.

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Speaker 2: But as I was driving in listening to John pod

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Speaker 2: Ortz talk about him today on the commentary podcast at

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Speaker 2: the Studio, I thought to myself, you know, duplexus cinemas

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Speaker 2: movie theaters now coming in three sizes. There's still an

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Speaker 2: occasional big screen out there, but mostly they come in

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Speaker 2: three sizes six screens, twelve screens, or twenty screens. And

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking even the six screen theaters because they're showing

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Speaker 2: the same movie three or four times, especially in the

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Speaker 2: twelves in the twenties, like you can go see the

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Speaker 2: Ping Pong movie with Timothy on like five different screens

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Speaker 2: every five minutes of the day. Just take one of

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Speaker 2: those screens and call it the guy screen, just guy screen.

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Speaker 2: You never advertise what's on, but you're just showing movies

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Speaker 2: of the guys. And I mean, my list is pretty

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Speaker 2: exped start with Duval pretty much. You can put on

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Speaker 2: the Great Santini, you could put on The Godfather, you

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Speaker 2: can put on Open Spaces, you can put on Old Lion,

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Speaker 2: whatever you want. Just Duval, He's great and everything. And

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Speaker 2: then you would add Gene Hackman, Clint Eastwood, right, Al Pacino,

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Speaker 2: Robertson Niro, Bruce Willis, Sylvester Stallone, Mel Gibson. You might

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Speaker 2: throw in Richard Rowntree for some diversity. Of course, Samuel L.

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Speaker 2: Jackson is in there somewhere, Schwarzenegger, maybe Michael Keaton. You

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Speaker 2: might be pushing the upper the lower end of the age.

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Speaker 2: If you go abroad, you can of course add Sean

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Speaker 2: just guy flicks and I'll ask Slycs about it later.

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Speaker 2: Just okay, we're not gonna we're not gonna throw anything

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Speaker 2: at you. Doesn't matter what time you come in. Two

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Speaker 2: you're in the middle of the Godfather. There is an

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Speaker 2: No matter except Godfather three. Nobody sits down and watches

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Speaker 2: great story about that today, by the way, on the

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Speaker 2: commentary podcast. But Robert Duvall was my guest on the

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Speaker 2: He was there to promote a different movie before the Oscar, Boaty,

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Speaker 2: So you know he was doing the Hollywood thing out

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Speaker 2: there promoting a movie. It wasn't for.

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Speaker 2: Here's that cut, cut number two, Robert de Vall, you

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Speaker 2: won the Oscar in nineteen eighty three for portraying this

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Speaker 2: alcoholic country singer Max Sledge and Tender Mercies. And now

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Speaker 4: There's another alcoholic country singer.

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Speaker 2: Did you did you guys compare notes on these two

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Speaker 5: No, didn't compare notes at all. No, But he's gonna

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Speaker 2: I think he shout it's a magnificent role. Do those

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Speaker 5: The best performances this year are him and this and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, magnificent movie. Yeah, but.

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Speaker 5: If we won't talk about that one, my movie is

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Speaker 2: What about bad Blake and Max Ledge? Are they are

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Speaker 5: Oh? No, No, they're different, different different music, different guys,

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Speaker 5: the different guys of an individuals, but somewhat similar journeys

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Speaker 2: How did you come? How'd you come by your knowledge

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Speaker 2: of alcoholics? I mean, what, how do you train up

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Speaker 2: Play Wayne? In this movie? To play what to play Wayne?

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Speaker 2: The friend?

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Speaker 6: Is this?

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Speaker 2: What was interesting about this? He's eighty years old and

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Speaker 2: he doesn't hear very well sixteen years ago, but what

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Speaker 2: I really Jeremy Renner was the guy in Hurt Locker,

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Speaker 2: he said best movie of the decade. Right, so he

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Speaker 2: is He's booked to come on to promote Jeff Bridges

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Speaker 2: And he had nothing to do with Hollywood. I learned

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Speaker 2: today he played Stallin twice. I haven't seen those from

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Speaker 2: John pod Ortz. I knew he was an anti communist.

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Speaker 2: I knew he lived in Virginia. He loved horses, he

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Speaker 2: also made Lay Down with Bill Murray, which is a

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Speaker 2: hilarious movie if you haven't seen it. But the Great

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Speaker 2: Santini is the one that makes the fetching missus Ui

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Speaker 2: Viyer's new Pat Conroy a little bit or knew pat

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Speaker 2: Conroy's dad. I can't quite remember it, but that's who

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Speaker 2: the great Santini is about, and it's magnificent. He should

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Speaker 2: Tender Mercies. But the very best thing I can recommend

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Speaker 2: to anyone out there is that you watch Lonesome dub

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Speaker 2: If you haven't watched Lonesome Dough with Tom E Lee

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Speaker 2: Jones and Robert Duvall, you haven't watched great television. It's

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Speaker 2: Bybo is up there. There are a few other series

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Speaker 2: early on Lonesome and Blue Duck, Oh Blue Duck. Now,

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Speaker 2: I loved the book, and I always wanted to interview

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Speaker 2: Larry McMurtry, but Carl wouldn't let me do it. He said, now,

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Speaker 2: you're not up to that, and he's probably right. I've

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Speaker 2: read everything by the late Larry McMurtry and Carl wouldn't

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Speaker 2: villain in villain land. And if you don't know who

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Speaker 2: Blue Duck is, then you haven't read Lonesome Dove. And

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Speaker 2: you ought to read Lonesome Dove. There are two prequels

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Speaker 2: and two sequels to Lonesome Dove. By the way, there

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Speaker 2: are five books in the McMurtry series. But the television

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Speaker 2: show it was on. When is Lonesome Dove, General Lisimo?

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Speaker 2: Is it the nineties or is it the eighties? Nineties?

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Speaker 2: And I don't know where it's available, if it's available anywhere,

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Speaker 2: get it. We will miss Robert Duvall, we will miss

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Speaker 2: Jesse Jackson. Now let's go to the president on Air

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Speaker 2: Force one cut number fifteen.

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Speaker 7: They're very unhappy that this improvement.

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Speaker 3: Forget getting voter ID. They want voter I D.

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Speaker 2: The population ninety eight percent, they want.

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Speaker 3: Voter I D.

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Speaker 7: They don't want voter right D because they want to

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Speaker 7: cheat in elections.

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Speaker 2: They also want other things.

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Speaker 7: They don't want mail in ballots, they want to end

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Speaker 7: mail in ballots were just corrupt. And one other thing

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Speaker 7: that their insisting owned this proof of citizenship. And the

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Speaker 7: Democrats don't want to give the proof of citizenship.

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Speaker 2: They don't want to give voter I D.

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Speaker 3: Think of it. Who would want proof of citizenship?

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Speaker 2: I ask you stam, Yeah, people want to cheat. Let's

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Speaker 2: just be if it's not close, they can't cheat. Book

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Speaker 2: I wrote in two thousand and four maybe the book

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Speaker 2: And this is just too easy to go pick up ballots.

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Speaker 2: They are lying around places. You got to make them

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Speaker 2: a great meeting and we're very close. No, we're not

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Speaker 7: What are you expecting from these Iran talks at Geneva tomorrow?

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Speaker 7: So I'll be involved in those talks indirectly and they'll

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Speaker 7: been typically rants are very tough negotiator. They're good negotiators

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Speaker 7: we could add a deal instead of sending the B

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Speaker 3: I hope they're going to be more reasonable.

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Speaker 2: They want to make a deal. It's ad that a

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Speaker 3: I think they want to make a deal.

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Speaker 2: That is. By the way, the great Steve Holland, Steve

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Speaker 2: Vive Holland is with Reuters. I've traveled abroad with him

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Speaker 2: We had a fabulous trip. But Steve Holland is a

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Speaker 2: pros pro. He's absolutely straight up. Listen, listen, let start

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Speaker 2: of that again. Just a straight up question, what.

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Speaker 1: Are you expecting from these Iran talks at Geneva tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: Saby?

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Speaker 2: That is a perfect question. What are you the president

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Speaker 2: expecting from this the Iran talk tomorrow? Meaning they were

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Speaker 2: talking on Monday, not today, Tuesday. And Steve Holland is

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Speaker 2: just a reporter, reporter. He is the brand the gold standard?

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Speaker 2: Just ask the question, get out of the way the answer. Bravo,

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Speaker 2: Steve Holland I'll be right back in architecture.

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Speaker 8: The bottom line is we into weeks some months in

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Speaker 8: terms of decision making.

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Speaker 4: If you're writing, people are hanging home. I attended a

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Speaker 2: Hundred and fifty thousand people on me.

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Speaker 6: I think Duncan has.

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Speaker 7: By the way, I watched AOC answering questions in Munich.

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Speaker 8: I think the problem is that she's much more dangerous

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Speaker 6: They don't think.

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Speaker 8: I love that, I just I can't, I literally can't

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Speaker 2: I had not thought about that until this moment, Josh Holmes.

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Speaker 2: bad interview Josh Holmes, always a pleasure, paulham At Holmes,

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Speaker 2: Josh on X. Listen to the Routhless podcast three.

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Speaker 10: Days a week.

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Speaker 2: Her last name is cart Thank you, Josh Day tuned America.

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Speaker 11: You are starting to see the ascent of the right,

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Speaker 2: The Dispatch. David Josh Holmes just said, her last name

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Speaker 2: so I want to know. You're younger than I am

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Speaker 4: But that's where I grew up seeing movies.

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Speaker 13: Well, I think one of the things that we're missing

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Speaker 13: that time, and it was such a.

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Speaker 3: Shared cultural phenomenon.

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Speaker 4: My parents and actually take me to.

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Speaker 13: See it, but I just told everybody I saw it

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Speaker 13: because I didn't want to be left out. And you know,

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Speaker 13: you couldn't see movies any other way but in the

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Speaker 13: theater back then, except you waited five or six or

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Speaker 13: seven years, and then you could see with commercials on

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Speaker 13: network television.

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Speaker 6: So it just I love the way things are.

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Speaker 2: Star Wars a Newport in the summer of nineteen seventy eight,

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Speaker 2: and I won't ever forget it, But I'm just curious

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Speaker 2: if they had the same experience in Westwood that I

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Speaker 2: did in Big Newport. You know, the lines existed. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: to get in the line, you couldn't reserve a seat,

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Speaker 2: so the lines would be out there for forty five

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Speaker 2: minutes an hour. You would wait and then inevitably someone

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Speaker 2: would cut it in the front and they went to USC.

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Speaker 13: Was that your experience completely? I saw in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 13: nine I graduated from high school. We went from Santa

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Speaker 13: Monica to Westwood Village and got in line for the

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Speaker 13: midnight showing and it was blocks long, and they ran

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Speaker 13: out of tickets for a midnight showing. That's just how

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Speaker 13: big of a deal movies were. But you know, obviously

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Speaker 13: it's a company town in LA and in southern California broadly,

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Speaker 13: but again, it shared cultural experiences that are not quite

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Speaker 13: the same now, just given all of the different ways

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Speaker 13: we can see movies first run.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know you're a bruined, but can you confirm

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Speaker 2: that they had a class at trojan Land where how

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Speaker 2: to cut into line and say I'm from USC? Is

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Speaker 2: that what did they teach that at USC?

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Speaker 13: I don't doubt it. I mean anything that's uncouth or unethical.

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Speaker 13: They probably talked that's.

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Speaker 2: It, that's it. And I can't help but that their

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Speaker 2: band doesn't have trumpets. They'd never had trumpets, and people

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Speaker 2: get upset about that. David, would you go to the

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Speaker 2: Rose Bowl for UCLA brewin games? Were you the guy

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Speaker 2: that was there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I was there.

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Speaker 4: In fact, I grew up.

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Speaker 13: I never missed almost never missed a home game from

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Speaker 13: but basically my entire childhood.

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Speaker 4: My father adopted UCLA back.

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Speaker 13: In the forties when they played at the Coliseum and

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Speaker 13: didn't really have much of a program compared to USC,

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Speaker 13: so we adopt to the underdog, and I grew up

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Speaker 13: first going to the Coliseum and then.

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Speaker 4: The Rose Ball.

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Speaker 13: It's really the only thing I really miss about living

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Speaker 13: in southern California is UCLA football and basketball games notwithstanding,

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Speaker 13: and I've not had much cheer about, but I still

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Speaker 13: miss it.

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Speaker 2: Did you Are you old enough to have gone to

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Speaker 2: see Wooden in his prime?

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Speaker 13: I'm old enough that I was there for games, but

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Speaker 13: I do not remember them because I'm not old enough

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Speaker 13: to have remembered them.

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Speaker 4: But I went to his basketball camps.

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Speaker 13: You dad had very experiences, Oh yeah, and where he coached,

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Speaker 13: I mean, and he was very active at his camps.

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Speaker 13: I would get his autograph, I would eat meals with him.

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Speaker 13: We used to they used to do the basketball camp

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Speaker 13: at cal Lutheran University, and it was at the same

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Speaker 13: time that the Dallas Cowboys were there for training camp.

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Speaker 13: So I was hanging I mean I say hanging out,

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Speaker 13: I mean we'd be in the same mess hall, as

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Speaker 13: Tony Dorr said in All of Them. You know, it

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Speaker 13: was a different world back then.

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Speaker 2: Very Chargers used to train at UCI. Did John Woodin

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Speaker 2: teach you how to tie your shoes at his camp,

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Speaker 2: because that's how he opens his books.

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Speaker 13: Double socks, tire shoes And almost everything he taught us

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Speaker 13: was without a basketball. All of the defensive drills, all

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Speaker 13: of the shooting drills, there was no basketball involved. It

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Speaker 13: was all about muscle memory and fundamentals.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Help you right about that, David. Because I'm not

512
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Speaker 2: a California and I'm a transplant. But everyone who's a

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Speaker 2: native had lunch with John Mooton at some point or

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Speaker 2: knew him somewhere because he was ubiquitous. He was also

515
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Speaker 2: such a good person and lived modestly. I think out

516
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Speaker 2: in the valley somewhere after he retired, and we'll go

517
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Speaker 2: to breakfast at the same place every day. Have you

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Speaker 2: ever written about him?

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Speaker 13: I've never written about him. He never made, if my

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Speaker 13: memory service, he never made more than twenty seven thousand

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Speaker 13: dollars annually as the head coach of the UCLA Bruins

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Speaker 13: men's basketball program. He ended up in Encino. He would

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Speaker 13: go to the same diner or coffee shop every day,

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Speaker 13: and I were forgetting the name. And he ended up

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Speaker 13: making money then later as a sneaker.

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Speaker 3: But what am I.

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Speaker 2: Thought, David, if you can stick around, I want to

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Speaker 2: ask you about Jesse Jackson, since you're a political writer

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Speaker 2: and you remember that. So I'm going to get two

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Speaker 2: minutes of David Drucker on the other side about Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't go anywhere America. I'm huge it. Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 2: I'm Hugh Hewett, David Drucker. I asked you to stick

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Speaker 2: around because you've covered Jesse Jackson for a long time.

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Speaker 2: What's his place in American political history?

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Speaker 13: I mean, he's an iconic democratic politician and social activist,

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Speaker 13: you know. I mean he's one of those politicians or

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Speaker 13: activists that you know in the in the eighties in particular,

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Speaker 13: just for somebody of my age, you know, I knew

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Speaker 13: who the president was, I knew who the governor was

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Speaker 13: and Jesse Jackson is somebody who I knew who he

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Speaker 13: was because he had just a very sort of he

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Speaker 13: was a ubiquitous presence. But you know, he was somebody

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Speaker 13: who just was a major figure. Now obviously, you know,

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Speaker 13: there are plenty of things he did for conservatives to

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Speaker 13: disagree with, not not Democrats didn't agree with them all

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Speaker 13: the time. He said, sometimes said and did things that

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Speaker 13: were that he shouldn't have said. And that's you know,

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Speaker 13: there was there was the HEIMI toown remark that he

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Speaker 13: made with anti Semitic overtones. But when you're just looking

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Speaker 13: for an influential figure with longevity and American politics, who

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Speaker 13: was very influential and who Democrats will tell you really

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Speaker 13: you know, in a sense forced them to loosen the

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Speaker 13: rules of the nominating process, which later cleared the way

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Speaker 13: for somebody like Barack Obama to have a shot as

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Speaker 13: an outsider in the Democratic primary. And who was a

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Speaker 13: mentor to other African American activists, civil rights activists. I mean,

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Speaker 13: I mean, the man's career is hard.

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Speaker 2: To match, well said, an extraordinary career with its valleys,

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Speaker 2: with its peaks, and a fellow who will be remembered

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Speaker 2: for years and years and years. David M. Drukkernak, thank

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Speaker 2: you for joining me from the dispatch. I wanted someone

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Speaker 2: who covered him to actually condense that, and you did it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you friend. Come back round number two today, as

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Speaker 2: you do. A ship foundation is not then, As Josh

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Speaker 2: Holmes noted in last hour, her last name is Cortes.

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Speaker 2: She ought to know about the Spanish and horses. I'm

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Speaker 2: joined by Brett Behar, anchor Special Report. Of course he's

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Speaker 2: America as an anchor and you can watch him every

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Speaker 2: night at six on the Fox News Channel. Brett Aoc

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Speaker 2: kind of stepped in it a couple of times in Munich.

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Speaker 2: Any lasting damage in your assessment, I.

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Speaker 10: Don't think it was good you. I mean, I think

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Speaker 10: if your your purpose was to go over there and

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Speaker 10: show your foreign policy shops, I think you needed to

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Speaker 10: read up on the brief on some of those issues

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Speaker 10: at Taiwan. Is not a surprise question, and one would

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Speaker 10: think that of the things that you got to bone

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Speaker 10: up on Taiwan would be one of them. But listen,

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Speaker 10: this is it lasting damage. I don't think it's it's great,

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Speaker 10: but I'm sure she's going to have a political future

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Speaker 10: minus her Munich performance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Brett Barrett. I asked President Trump about the Triad

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Speaker 2: when he was mister Trump in twenty fifteen, and he

584
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Speaker 2: didn't really know, and it didn't really matter because he said,

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Speaker 2: I'll learn when I need to know. Is that good enough?

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Speaker 2: In these days, I don't.

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Speaker 10: Know the nuclear triad and China and Taiwan feel a

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Speaker 10: little different. But I do think, you know, when you

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Speaker 10: get to that point, you bone up and you're ready

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Speaker 10: for a debate. I think there's a bigger question about

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Speaker 10: you know, her experience her. You know, she's clearly a

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Speaker 10: political talent and gets a lot of people fired up.

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Speaker 10: But I'm not sure that the party's going to rally

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Speaker 10: besides the left side of the party of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying now. I talked with President Trump in January

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Speaker 2: and I asked him about AOC and he said, she's

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Speaker 2: quite a talent. She's got a lot of I think

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Speaker 2: I use the word sparkler. He did. But she's never

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Speaker 2: done an interview. This was really the first interview I've

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Speaker 2: seen where she was asked anything. Have you ever had

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Speaker 2: a chance to talk to her? Is she going arms way?

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Speaker 10: It's been a while, I mean, it's it's probably been

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Speaker 10: let's see, four years. But she came on set on

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Speaker 10: Special Report and it was we spent a lot of

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Speaker 10: time talking about the beginning of COVID and where that was,

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Speaker 10: but we cover a lot of territory. I pressed her

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Speaker 10: on a couple of things. She was savvy, had, you know,

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Speaker 10: a good sense of things, but that was her wheelhouse.

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Speaker 10: This was taking her out of her wheelhouse of every

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Speaker 10: day and I guess, you know, just thinking about how

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Speaker 10: she's dealt with other things, maybe the bar was a

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Speaker 10: little bit higher.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, yesterday I spent the first I spent an

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Speaker 2: hour in the show on the first fifteen minutes of

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Speaker 2: the former President Obama's interview released on Saturday Night with

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Speaker 2: Brian Tyler Cohen, and it was it took me an

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Speaker 2: hour to get through fifteen minutes because it was it

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Speaker 2: was vacuous, It was utterly devoid of substance. As I

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Speaker 2: suppose many of my thinkers would say, is presidency was.

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Speaker 2: Have you had a chance to watch that yet.

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Speaker 10: Brett, Yeah, I did watch it. I watched the whole thing.

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Speaker 10: What did you say, unbelievable as that is, I watched

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Speaker 10: the whole thing besides the alien back and forth and

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Speaker 10: clean up. I was, you know, it felt like Obama

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Speaker 10: of old.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 10: The first time I sat down with him was three

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Speaker 10: days before Obamacare. The legislation was voted on in the

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Speaker 10: House and I was given thirty minutes in the Blue Room.

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Speaker 10: And then I got there and he said, Okay, Brett,

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Speaker 10: we're going to do twenty minutes. And I said, miss President,

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Speaker 10: whatever time you have is great. And so the first

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Speaker 10: question I asked I was a four minute answer, and

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Speaker 10: the second question was a three minute answer. And there

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Speaker 10: was a White House staff member with an iPhone taking

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Speaker 10: backwards from twenty minutes in my line of sight. And

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Speaker 10: so it did not surprise me, you know, some of

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Speaker 10: those long, lengthy answers and kind of how he delivers

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Speaker 10: on substance. I think he maybe saved AOC a bit,

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Speaker 10: because you know, the former president speaking out takes a

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Speaker 10: lot of them. You know, it's sort of like a

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Speaker 10: bug zapper in the backyard. It kind of gets all

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Speaker 10: the focus.

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Speaker 2: All I got from that interview was that he signaled

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Speaker 2: AOC and Gavin Newsom are acceptable. He did not mention

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Speaker 2: Josh Shapiro, He did not mention Governor Basher, he didn't

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Speaker 2: mention anyone on the kind of center left side of

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Speaker 2: the Democratic Party was progressive, progressive, progressive, progressive, and I

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Speaker 2: think he was in that signal. He wasn't there to

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Speaker 2: answer any questions, and they didn't get asked about Iran,

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Speaker 2: which is sort of astonishing. I don't know, mister Cohenie.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's new to this game. He's interviewed a lot

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Speaker 2: of Democrats. But you got to ask at least a

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Speaker 2: couple of tough ones, don't you, Brent.

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Speaker 10: I mean, especially on Iran that is in the middle

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Speaker 10: of negotiations. You know about a nuclear program that you

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Speaker 10: signed a JCPOA and and authorized money going to Iran

658
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Speaker 10: that arguably a lot of experts say fueled their efforts

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Speaker 10: to fund terrorist proxies. So yeah, I would think there

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Speaker 10: would be a couple more tough ones in there. I

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Speaker 10: agree with you, it was sort of not substance wise.

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Speaker 10: I didn't get a lot out of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's probably he's thirty five or thirty

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Speaker 2: seven years old and new to it. Brett. Let me

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Speaker 2: go back to your Pentagon days. I think you were

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Speaker 2: there for the build up before Afghanistan. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know you were there for the build up at the

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Speaker 2: Pentagon before Afghanistan. Were you still there for the build

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Speaker 2: up to a rock invasion in two thousand and three

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Speaker 2: or had you gone over to the Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 10: No, I was there from one to six.

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Speaker 2: So you've seen this massive deployment of military resources. Have

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Speaker 2: you seen anything like this other than one for Afghanistan

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Speaker 2: and three for I Rack.

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Speaker 10: No, Well, we'll keep on focusing on the naval assets.

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Speaker 10: But the Air Force has moved a ton of a

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Speaker 10: ton of equipment over into the region just in the

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Speaker 10: past three days. And yeah, we haven't seen this in

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Speaker 10: a long long time. Now. It doesn't have the same

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Speaker 10: you know, troop compartment that the invasion of Iraq did.

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Speaker 10: I mean I was in Kuwait for all that build

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Speaker 10: up and you know, but it is significant. I mean,

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Speaker 10: it's not to be dismissed. And you don't do that

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Speaker 10: as just a threat. I don't think now.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you can affect regime. It's been done before,

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Speaker 2: regime changed, done in Serbia with Melosovich via the air,

687
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Speaker 2: done in Kadathi land via the air. But I don't

688
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Speaker 2: think you can dig the IRGC out of their holes

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Speaker 2: in Iran. It's ninety two million people. Do you agree

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Speaker 2: with me on that you can't do just an air campaign?

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Speaker 10: No, I agree with you. There has to be some

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Speaker 10: kind of ground component, But I don't know what the

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Speaker 10: plan is for that, and right now I don't see

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Speaker 10: opposition forces that are unified or under one one leader.

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Speaker 2: So exit question given the Foreign minister coming out today,

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Speaker 2: and so now we're going to good to go for

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Speaker 2: next week and we're going to get together. And then

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Speaker 2: Channel twelve in Israel reporting that the American that told

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Speaker 2: the Israelis were at a dead end. Where do you

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Speaker 2: say the truth in this chaff and this wilderness of

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Speaker 2: mirrors we're in.

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Speaker 10: I think that Wikoff and Kushner will be pretty blunt

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Speaker 10: with the President and that if it's a sense that

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Speaker 10: it's not going anywhere, they will say that. I think

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Speaker 10: that the Runian Foreign minister, you saw them on my show,

706
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Speaker 10: it was like Bagdad, Bob, you know where nothing's happening

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Speaker 10: here as the tanks rolled by to get Saddam Hussein.

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Speaker 10: So I don't think you can take those statements of

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Speaker 10: where the negotiations are as face value. I think that

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Speaker 10: there's going to be an assessment. And while the President

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Speaker 10: wants a diplomatic solution. I don't think they're going to

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Speaker 10: wait forever.

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Speaker 2: Her last question in two thousand and three one Sherman

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Speaker 2: Myers did a lot of talking. Ice Chairman Past did

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Speaker 2: a lot of talking. W didn't Who's going to be

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Speaker 2: doing talking if we do? Rumsfeld came out and talked

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Speaker 2: almost every day. Rummy was great. Who's going to be

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Speaker 2: doing the talking on this?

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Speaker 10: It's a great question. I think probably the President, and

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Speaker 10: I think he's probably going to run point. I don't

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Speaker 10: think it's going to be Secretary of Hegseth and General

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Speaker 10: Kine has kept a low profile, but you're right. I

723
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Speaker 10: mean back when I covered the Pentagon and bos of those,

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Speaker 10: Afghanistan and Rock it was daytime soap opera when Secretary

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Speaker 10: of Rumsfeld and Armon Myers came out, so it.

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Speaker 2: Was very illuminating. It was also funny. I'll still remember

727
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Speaker 2: Meyers saying to Pace, I didn't know Marines had big

728
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Speaker 2: words like that, but it was great. Brett will be

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Speaker 2: watching tonight for the latest out of Iran. Don't miss

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Speaker 2: special report every night on your TV on the Fox

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Speaker 2: News Channel at six pm Eastern. Thank you, Brett, Welcome

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Speaker 2: back in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, Byron York with the

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Speaker 2: Washington Examiner, Fox News contributor Extraordinary Joints Me now follow

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Speaker 2: him on X at Byron York. Byron, what do you

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Speaker 2: make of the aftermath of the talks in Geneva today

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Speaker 2: with Iran?

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Speaker 12: Well, they're happening that good. I felt after the first

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Speaker 12: session in which there was you know, there was it

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Speaker 12: was barely face to face at all, uh, that this

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Speaker 12: was never going to go anywhere, And it's still never

741
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Speaker 12: going to go anywhere without uh, probably the use of

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Speaker 12: American force. And I'm pretty much still there today.

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Speaker 2: So stuck at dead end. Here's Vice President Vance with

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Speaker 2: Martha McCollum earlier today. Or do we not have it

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Speaker 2: ran Cuba?

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Speaker 14: Well, I'm obviously not going to make any announcements today.

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Speaker 14: I think the president has a lot of options. We

748
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Speaker 14: do have a very powerful military. The President's shown a

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Speaker 14: willingness to use it. He also has a remarkable diplomatic team.

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Speaker 14: He's shown a willingness to use that too, And so

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Speaker 14: what the President has been very clear with the Iranians.

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Speaker 14: And actually I just talked to Steve Wookoff and Jared

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Speaker 14: Kushner this morning about some of their negotiations is the

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Speaker 14: United States has certain red lines. Our primary interest here

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Speaker 14: is we don't want a Ran to get a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 14: We don't want nuclear proliferation. If it Ran gets a

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Speaker 14: nuclear weapon, there are a lot of other regimes, some friendly,

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Speaker 14: some not so friendly, who would get nuclear weapons after them.

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Speaker 14: That would be a disaster for the American people because

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Speaker 14: then you have these crazy regimes all over the world

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Speaker 14: with the most dangerous weapons in the world. And that's

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Speaker 14: one of the things the President has said he's going

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Speaker 14: to prevent. Now, we would very much like, as the

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Speaker 14: President has said, to resolve this through a conversation and

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Speaker 14: a diplomatic negotiation. But the President has all options on

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Speaker 14: the table. And you know, one thing about negotiation I

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Speaker 14: will say this morning is you know, in some ways

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Speaker 14: it went well, they agreed to meet afterwards. But in

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Speaker 14: other way is it was very clear that the President

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Speaker 14: has set some red lines that the Iranians are not

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Speaker 14: yet willing to actually acknowledge and work through. So we're

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Speaker 14: going to keep on working it. But of course the

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Speaker 14: President reserves the ability to say when he thinks that

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Speaker 14: diplomacy has reached its natural end, we hope it will

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Speaker 14: get to that point.

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Speaker 3: But if we do, that'll be the president.

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Speaker 2: So Byron, I think the vice president is doing his

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Speaker 2: job as a vice president, but he's not willing to

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Speaker 2: acknowledge some of the red lines as well. He didn't

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Speaker 2: say no missiles, he didn't say don't kill your own people.

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Speaker 2: He didn't say stop supporting has Blond. I'm awesome ooties, right, and.

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Speaker 12: I'm but you get the sense that, you know, when

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Speaker 12: obviously Iran knows that you've got this enormous American armado

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Speaker 12: growing within striking distance, and it doesn't exactly know how

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Speaker 12: to get out of this, but it does though that

786
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Speaker 12: if you promise to keep talking, maybe you can put it,

787
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Speaker 12: put it off until something happens. And you just get

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Speaker 12: the sense that with these these slightly hopeful things that

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Speaker 12: the foreign minister says, the Uranian foreign minister says that

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Speaker 12: it's basically intended to buy them a little time in

791
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Speaker 12: hopes of something the other. Now on our side, you know,

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Speaker 12: I have to say, I mean, do you think that

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Speaker 12: President Trump is kind of if he takes military action

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Speaker 12: against Iran, do you think he's really prepared the American

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Speaker 12: people for why he would be doing this.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that he has, but the news media has.

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Speaker 2: In other words, the missile threat is real and growing.

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Speaker 2: The support of Hesbaalah and Hamas is real and enduring,

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Speaker 2: and they murdered thirty five thousand of their own people.

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Speaker 2: So I don't he had not done what WAD did

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Speaker 2: before two thousand and three, two thousand and one, which

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Speaker 2: is worn of casualties. He hasn't on which hw did

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Speaker 2: before ninety one, which is to warn a you know,

804
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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dead. He hadn't done that, But I

805
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Speaker 2: don't think he believes that that's possible either.

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Speaker 12: Well, obviously it was a big surprise to people when

807
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Speaker 12: he did this in Venezuela. Even though he built up

808
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Speaker 12: an armada down there, he really hadn't prepared for the

809
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Speaker 12: American people for it actually was going to take. But

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Speaker 12: it was quick, it was very, very sharply focused. This

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Speaker 12: we're still not sure exactly what the United States would

812
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Speaker 12: be doing, although the every capability to do it quite

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Speaker 12: a lot. And I don't think I would disagree with

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Speaker 12: you in a sense that the media can kind of

815
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Speaker 12: prepare the way for this. I think there's nobody who

816
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Speaker 12: can prepare the way for this except the president of

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Speaker 12: the United States who said we're going to do this, this,

818
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Speaker 12: and this, or they have to do you know, they

819
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Speaker 12: have to get rid of their nuclear program, they have

820
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Speaker 12: to stop killing people, and they have to stop supporting,

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Speaker 12: you know, regional terrorist organizations. And if they don't do it,

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Speaker 12: we're gonna hit them. I think if those are the

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Speaker 12: United States standards, that has to be articulated by the president.

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Speaker 2: Well, the president has said the missile program. And to me, Byron,

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Speaker 2: when you were young, did you ever play poker Jack's

826
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Speaker 2: Open Trip to Win?

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Speaker 12: No, I don't believe I did.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Jack's Open Trip to win five card game,

829
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Speaker 2: and you can't up the annie. You can't bat unless

830
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Speaker 2: you have at least jacks, and so sometimes everybody falls in.

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Speaker 2: You just re up the annie again. The Urons don't

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Speaker 2: they runnies, don't have jacks. They can't open these negotiates.

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Speaker 2: They've got nothing to give us that doesn't endanger their regime.

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Speaker 10: You know that.

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Speaker 12: That's a good point. And now Trumps said, and I

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Speaker 12: think he's direct the United States do pretty grievous damage

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Speaker 12: to their nuclear program, which is not coming back tomorrow.

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Speaker 12: On the other hand, I don't know is is big

839
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Speaker 12: US military action necessary here?

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Speaker 2: I think because my perspective that from national security only,

841
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Speaker 2: is that the missiles are a threat not just to

842
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Speaker 2: Israel and the UAE and cutter, but to Southern Europe,

843
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Speaker 2: and eventually they will be a threat to US, and

844
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Speaker 2: they can make them into dirty bombs. And I do

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Speaker 2: believe that that regime, which can murder thirty five thousand people,

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Speaker 2: would not hesitate a moment to use dirty bombs on

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Speaker 2: our allies and on us. If they could, I think

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Speaker 2: they can hit Camp Bond Steal right now.

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Speaker 12: Actually, well, I mean, Israel has significant military capabilities on

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Speaker 12: its own, and they had done but you know, before

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Speaker 12: the United States went in with the bunkerbusters and took

852
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Speaker 12: out the nuclear facilities, they had done. Israel had done

853
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Speaker 12: significant damage beforehand.

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Speaker 2: They had, but they didn't. We stopped them from finishing

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Speaker 2: the job.

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Speaker 12: Byron well that they could finish the job. So I'm

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Speaker 12: just wondering, you know, why it's absolutely necessary? What in

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Speaker 12: president has not made the case depending on how big

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Speaker 12: this military action is if it comes. I mean that's

860
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Speaker 12: a really important variable here because obviously the president went in,

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Speaker 12: did one bombing run on the military, on the nuclear

862
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Speaker 12: facilities and that took care of things. So depending on

863
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Speaker 12: how big it is, how extensive it is, whether it

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Speaker 12: involves Americans at risk, you have to have a presidential

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Speaker 12: justification and explanation for this, and we just haven't had

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Speaker 12: it from the president.

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Speaker 2: Not yet. I think it would be as well if

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Speaker 2: he did it, but he can do it after the

869
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 2: fact as well, once it's begun. I don't know that

870
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: we ever had Bill Clinton explain Serbia or Barack Obama

871
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: explain Libya, and that was a disaster for both of them,

872
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: by the way. So it's a good point.

873
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: Byron.

874
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: I hope he does it, Byron York America, follow him

875
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 2: on ecceit Byron York, watch him on Fox and as

876
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 2: Ridam in the Washington Sandra, I'll be right there, Robert Tavall,

877
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: you won the Oscar in nineteen eighty three for portraying

878
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: the alcoholic country singer Max Sledge and Tender Mercies, and

879
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 2: now Jeff Bridges is nominated for Best Actor for playing

880
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: Bad Blake and Crazy Heart.

881
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 4: Who's another alcoholic country singer?

882
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: Did you guys compare notes on these two characters and

883
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: how to get smart about, you know, an addicted drinker?

884
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 5: No, didn't compare notes at all. No, but he's gonna win.

885
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 5: He'll win the Oscar.

886
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: I think you should it, so welcome back, Oma. That's

887
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 2: Robert Duvall from twenty ten when he was on the

888
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: program with me and I talked about him at the

889
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: beginning of the show, but I wanted to really talk

890
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: to Lilax about him, because when anybody dies, Lilac and

891
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 2: I are about the same age, and we have about

892
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: the same impression of people. Usually, Lilax, what do you

893
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,959
Speaker 2: think of Robert duval.

894
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: He was absolutely wonderful.

895
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 15: He was an incredible actual As people have pointed out,

896
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 15: and I was saying nothing new. He had an expansive

897
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 15: range in which you could be that guy who was

898
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 15: incredibly quiet and complex and rich inside but also boisterous

899
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 15: and outgoing. And called his brio an actor of an

900
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 15: era that we're just not seeing anymore.

901
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,240
Speaker 3: We don't see.

902
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 15: Guys that much anymore who have this sort of confident,

903
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 15: inhabited masculinity that goes back a couple of generations to

904
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 15: an archetype that now we miss because we had to

905
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 15: get rid of it.

906
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 3: We had to get rid.

907
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 15: Of it, you know, coincidentally with you know, DeVault came

908
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 15: up when he was coming up. The actors of that generation,

909
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 15: there would be the ones, you know, you're Alan Aldas

910
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 15: who would be more in touch and they're sensitive sides

911
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 15: and the rest of it all could if he had to.

912
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 15: But he was a throwback, like a lot of these

913
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 15: guys were, and we're going to lose them, one after

914
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 15: the other after the other. We're going to see a

915
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 15: great culling in the next few years where the great

916
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 15: actors and a lot of the great musicians rock musicians

917
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 15: that we grew up with are going to die as well.

918
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 15: You feel very, very old when somebody who was up

919
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 15: there seeing, you know, shake your moody when you were

920
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 15: in high school and having a grand old time and

921
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 15: feeling the fruits of youth would never wither on the vine.

922
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 15: When they start going out in their seventy seven or

923
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 15: they're you know, sixty nine or something like that, that's

924
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 15: when times winged Cherriot.

925
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 3: You feel the breath and the horses hot on your neck.

926
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 2: Now I've got an idea which I floated in the

927
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: first segment of the show. I want to bounce off

928
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: of you. You know how, there are a lot of

929
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: theaters around the country with multiplex. They got like twenty screens,

930
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 2: and they have one screen that they just dedicate to

931
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: random movies. I would suggest that they simply assure the

932
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: moviegoer that the film they're about to see, either as

933
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: Robert Devald, Gene Hackman, Clint Eastwood, al Pacino, or Robert

934
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: de Niro in it, that one of these great and

935
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 2: there might be someone else on that list. They don't

936
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 2: they don't even tell you what the movie is. You're

937
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: reading it deval Hackman, Eastwood, Pacino or de Niro, go

938
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: on and sit down and enjoy. We'll keep playing them

939
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: all day. Do you think that would work?

940
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 3: I think it would. It'd be great. With de Nio,

941
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: you're kind of watering the podle a little bit, the

942
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: twenty years.

943
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: Ago me and there you go.

944
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 15: And if you charge the buck fifty, you know you're

945
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 15: not going to do this to make enoughul lot of money.

946
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 15: And it's not as if they have to recoup the

947
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 15: cost in something that was made in nineteen seventy four.

948
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: But that would be great.

949
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 15: It would be wonderful, in fact, if you just didn't

950
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 15: have more than one theater with those guys, but you

951
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 15: had another there with the old great black and white

952
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 15: movies somehow, you know, and make it a schooling experience.

953
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 15: Kids hate that black and white. They can't figure out

954
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 15: why anybody would want to. But when you expose them

955
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 15: to the beauties of a monochrome palette and realize how

956
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 15: in the nineteen forties you would watch a movie and

957
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 15: when you see it on your television, on your screen,

958
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 15: or even god forbid, on your phone, and the whole

959
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 15: face is filled with thistle. You know, the whole screen

960
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 15: is this luminescent close up of a glowing face. It

961
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 15: doesn't have the impact of sitting in the theater before

962
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 15: the silver screen and seeing the entirety of your vision

963
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 15: filled up with Ingrid Bergmann and her Liquia's eyes.

964
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: I mean that would be an education as well.

965
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 15: And given that these movies just roll in for a

966
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 15: week or so and play to fifty sixty people or so,

967
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 15: I mean, drop the price, give them free popcorn, and

968
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 15: let it be an educational experience in the glories of

969
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 15: American culture, which include.

970
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 2: The movie and in a multipi clients don't good at it,

971
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 2: you've got it. I mean they're throwing the same movie

972
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: eight times a day at some of these screens and

973
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: just the dedicated screen, the black and white. She was

974
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: tried in LA for years there was a film a

975
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: movie theater on I can't remember. It's on the west

976
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 2: side of LA south of Wiltshire, that showed nothing but

977
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 2: the grand old films of the black and white era.

978
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking good action picks like The French Connection,

979
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 2: or The Godfather or you name it. The Apostle is

980
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: my favorite, Denio, or you could even show Lonesome dub.

981
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 2: People would just drop in for a couple of hours

982
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: and get what they wanted, right.

983
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 15: But they would if you presume that mall culture in

984
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 15: this place is still healthy, that there's still a lot

985
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 15: of guys who are wandering around.

986
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 3: The theater while the white shops or something, you know,

987
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: in the mall, while the white shops or something, you

988
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 3: can only go to so many stories.

989
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 15: You know, Well, I don't have my size of pants there.

990
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 15: I guess I'm gonna sit down here by the froyo

991
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 15: for a while.

992
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

993
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 3: I mean for those.

994
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 15: Guys, it would be great, but it's getting everybody else

995
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 15: you do with It's going to be the question the

996
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 15: movie going experience seems to the American DNA fractured at

997
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 15: some point, something happened in twenty twenty, trying to remember

998
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 15: what that might have been that seemed to separate us

999
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 15: from the communal experience of movies. We'll go out to

1000
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 15: see a Maverick because we know we're going to rock

1001
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 15: and roll, and you sense around is going to warm,

1002
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 15: She's going to vibrate our bones, and Tom Cruise will

1003
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 15: be the last movie star and the rest of it.

1004
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, fly about Duval in that interview, I played you

1005
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: a little bit of He had come on to promote

1006
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: the movie with Jeff Bridges, but he ended up promoting

1007
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: hurt Locker to get the copy more. He really didn't

1008
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 2: care what he said. He was totally indifferent Hollywood, totally indifferent.

1009
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 15: Yeah, I've had interviews like that that have gone that way,

1010
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 15: my favorite being with William Shatner, which was more work

1011
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 15: than I've done in my life, and that includes, you know,

1012
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 15: a stange as a seed salesman in the South. But yeah,

1013
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 15: I mean you get the sense of the personality right there,

1014
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 15: and yes, does it come across the screen? Yes, is

1015
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 15: it's reach across generations? You'd like to think. So the

1016
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 15: test is just finding out whether or not it does,

1017
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 15: whether or not the generations that have grown up on

1018
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 15: CGI and in huge Marvel movies where nothing really means anything,

1019
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 15: where people are thrown into walls and get right up,

1020
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 15: where ninety eight pound women fights two hundred pounds Soviet

1021
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 15: Russian assassins. So the rest of it, whether or not

1022
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 15: the vacuity and the emptiness and the frivolity of the

1023
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 15: movies that we've.

1024
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: Had lately, whether we can bring people back to some

1025
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 3: solid stuff.

1026
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 15: Now, when you make a good horror film and you

1027
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 15: make an eight twenty four film, you make a film

1028
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 15: that reaches a certain modern audience.

1029
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 3: They love it and it's great.

1030
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 15: So it's still there, but it feels the movie stars

1031
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 15: in the movie experience feels like a waning experience, and

1032
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 15: I don't know what it'll take to get us back

1033
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 15: to it.

1034
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: Well, it's unfortunate Robert Duvall is not a wartime consigliori.

1035
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: But other than that, he was a very, very fabulous actor.

1036
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 2: I want to close, but do you have a favorite

1037
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:43,760
Speaker 2: Duval movie?

1038
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 3: No, it is a matter of fact. I think of

1039
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 3: one and then I think of another.

1040
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 2: So close with what you're going to close with, did

1041
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 2: you enjoy Lonesome Dove. Not a movie, just the greatest

1042
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 2: television series ever.

1043
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 3: Made when it came out. Yes, yes, indeed that's so.

1044
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: You think Tommy Lee Jones is taking the remains of

1045
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 2: Bob Duvall Robert Duvall across the country in a wagon.

1046
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 15: I hope so, I absolutely, absolutely hope so because Dominie

1047
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 15: Jones are one of the few that we got left hands.

1048
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 2: And it is one of the guys we got left. We

1049
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 2: also have Lylex left and Hewett and we'll keep doing

1050
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: this once a week for as long as they allow us.

1051
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: Thank you, Lilas. Go find him at James Lylax dot

1052
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 2: subtact dot com James Lyilex dot subtact dot com. I'll

1053
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 2: be right back.

1054
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 15: In his new movie, The Dragons Prophecy, Danish de Suza

1055
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 15: brings the new Middle East into focus.

1056
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 8: Could the fate of the world of humanity itself be

1057
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 8: somehow tied to this place?

1058
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 2: But long last, we have peace in the Middle East.

1059
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 9: Israel and Christians are coming together in a way they

1060
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 9: have never been before.

1061
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,240
Speaker 4: Is this the end of mus and radical Islam?

1062
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 15: The Dragons Prophecy is powerful prophetic, A must see movie now,

1063
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Speaker 15: A they all on Amazon, YouTube and iTunes.

1064
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Speaker 2: or call one hundred eight or call one eight hundred

1084
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Speaker 2: four one one forty four fifty four one eight hundred

1085
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 2: four one one forty four to fifty four. That's one

1086
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: eight hundred four one, one forty four to fifty four.

1087
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: Don't forget My code is Hugh.

1088
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 4: T job.

1089
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: Boy Marrion, even Grace America. Time for a treat That

1090
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 2: is Crossroad Blues by Robert Johnson. We are told in

1091
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: the first page of this new novel by C. J. Box,

1092
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: The Crossroads. That's from nineteen thirty six. CJ Box is back, CJ.

1093
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: How do you know about The Crossroads Blues?

1094
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 9: I've been a I'm a blues fan, have been a

1095
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 9: blues fan for a long time.

1096
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: I think I.

1097
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 9: Probably first heard it by Eric Clapton, then found out

1098
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 9: when the song was actually written and how old it was.

1099
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 4: But it's a classic.

1100
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not a blues guy, and I appreciate the intro.

1101
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: Gave me the good intro music. Congratulations on the Crossroads.

1102
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: It is a fabulous read. I read it last night

1103
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: in this morning, so it's about an eight hour read.

1104
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 2: I want people to know that you can blow through

1105
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 2: it and it's addictive. I also want people to know

1106
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 2: that it has in it Clarkson's Farm for real, Really,

1107
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 2: did you like Clarkson's Farm?

1108
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 9: I love Clarkson's Farm. Yeah, we're big fans.

1109
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: I watched about four episodes and I decided it was

1110
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 2: the same show again and again and again. Second. Oh no, oh, no, okay,

1111
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 2: maybe we'll go back. Then. I want to know about

1112
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 2: Mollybox and Prairie Stage Creative. Who's in the acknowledgments. I

1113
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: assume your daughter is running some kind of PR firm.

1114
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 9: Well, she's a graphic designer and an artist at a

1115
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 9: very accomplished artist. And luckily for me, she runs all

1116
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 9: my social media so I don't have to, and she's.

1117
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 4: Much better at it than i'd be anyway.

1118
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 9: But because she grew up with the books and reads

1119
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 9: all the books and gets them before they go to print,

1120
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 9: she along with her sisters, are great help in all

1121
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 9: of the all the novels, and I'll give me their

1122
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 9: notes before I actually send it off to the publisher.

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00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 2: Well, CJ, this is a fabulous book at number twenty

1124
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: six in the Joe Pickett series. Now we have some

1125
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: new affiliates from Florida up to the Upper Midwest that

1126
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 2: had not heard you before. So CJ has been coming

1127
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,439
Speaker 2: on the program for two decades whenever Joe Pickett novel

1128
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 2: comes out and occasionally not. And Joe Pickett is a

1129
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: Wyoming game Warden. He's now number ten out of fifty.

1130
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: His badge is pretty high up there.

1131
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 4: That's right.

1132
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's advancing seniority over the years. That's why it

1133
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 9: works in real life in Wyoming. With each year and

1134
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 9: game wardens retire and every other game warden gets advanced

1135
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 9: one space. So conceivably he could become game Warden number one,

1136
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 9: But I'm not looking that far ahead.

1137
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 2: I don't think that's every something. He's going to get

1138
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: broken in rank for something. Let me ask you, probably, Chuck,

1139
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 2: this is a movie. I mean it's a standalone movie

1140
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: because it's got a lot of female leads in it,

1141
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 2: and they could do the backstory pretty easily. Has it

1142
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 2: been optioned?

1143
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 4: No, it has not been.

1144
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 9: As an individual that gets complicated you because the rights

1145
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 9: to the Joe Pickett are still with Paramount Plus, and

1146
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 9: that's being renegotiated again because of the TV show next year.

1147
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 9: If they do not develop the show either any further,

1148
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 9: those will those rights will revert back to us, and

1149
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 9: then possibly who knows.

1150
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: Well paramount. Ought to just make this as a standalone again.

1151
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: It's got fabulous roles for women as well as bad guys,

1152
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: and for Joe and for Nate and for everybody else

1153
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: in the Joe Pickett universe. But it's fabulous. I want

1154
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: to ask before I do it. And by the way,

1155
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 2: Casey Duell crossover, has that ever happened before?

1156
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 4: I made him mention earlier?

1157
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 9: It gets complicated because Cassie Duell, those books the Highway,

1158
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 9: one of your favorites. Yeah, I know, those are all

1159
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 9: with a different publisher, with McMillan, and so doing a.

1160
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 4: Crossover is a little risky. I just figured easier.

1161
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 9: To apologize and ask permission and wanted to do that.

1162
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to Cassie probably in segment three,

1163
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: but before we go alonger, I want people don't know

1164
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth Joe Picket books, nine others stand alone

1165
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: thirty six book. Do you ever get tired?

1166
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: You know what?

1167
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 9: I honestly, I enjoy nothing more than writing books, especially

1168
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 9: the first drafts. I try to do them during the

1169
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 9: winter because in here where I are a little ranch

1170
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 9: in Wyoming, there's not a lot going on, and try

1171
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 9: to get them done by summer, so I can fish

1172
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 9: and play golf, and I go to work every day

1173
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 9: just like you do.

1174
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 4: Probably not, I don't work as hard as you do, Hugh.

1175
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 9: I don't work how I work every day.

1176
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 2: Drain doesn't work. I don't work. Harley and Adam work,

1177
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: the rest of us don't. All right, now, you are

1178
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: doing a book tour. I put that on my AX account,

1179
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: but they can find it. What at cjbox dot net

1180
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: or is it net? What's the website?

1181
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 4: Cjbox dot net.

1182
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 2: Okay, that's correct, and it starts in Colorado on Sunday,

1183
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: my birthday, my seventieth birthday, by the way. I just

1184
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 2: want to let.

1185
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 4: People know, happy birthday.

1186
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: I know it's my I know you're doing that for me,

1187
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: but I can't be at the tattered book cover or

1188
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: whatever it's called in Denver. But it's all posted on

1189
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: the web and it's fabulous. I want to pick a

1190
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: fight with you though. You bring up the Polaris Ranger,

1191
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: the ATV and I got a few pictures of them

1192
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: that I don't know if Harley was able to find

1193
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: them or not, but you weren't specific enough. This is

1194
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: the one I like. And then there's another one which

1195
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 2: is blue, and then there's got a little back thing

1196
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 2: on the back. Then and then there's this one. Which

1197
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: one are you talking about?

1198
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Speaker 9: You know, the very first one you showed, the red one,

1199
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,959
Speaker 9: the fourth person with the little dump truck on the back.

1200
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 9: We own that, So that's what I have in mind

1201
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 9: when I was writing about it.

1202
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: So you drive them? You really do drive those?

1203
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 4: We take them out almost every day.

1204
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 2: Yes, arn't there like personal injury lawyer, get rich, get

1205
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 2: for card free? Right? Isn't that what those are?

1206
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 9: I think they're pretty safe. I have yet to roll it,

1207
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 9: although I've come close.

1208
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 2: So I've got to talk without giving away. I don't

1209
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 2: even want to give it away. I don't want to

1210
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 2: give away as much as the blurb gives away over

1211
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: at Amazon dot com, because the blurb gives a little

1212
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 2: bit away. But I'm not going to give that much away.

1213
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: People have to go and look at the Amazon dot

1214
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 2: com link to find out. But I do want to

1215
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: bring up a few compliments on sidebars. First of all,

1216
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 2: I love the coffee checks. I think they should invite

1217
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 2: Lauren Trumley over to have breakfast with him. What do

1218
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 2: you think?

1219
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 9: I think that's a good idea. Yeah, the coffee Chick.

1220
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 9: You know, I think we've talked about it before. I

1221
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 9: give away your name in a CJ box booked all

1222
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 9: sorts of fundraisers or at Wyoming in the Mountain West,

1223
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 9: and one of the winners cup last year was a woman,

1224
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 9: seventy year old woman in Torrington, Wyoming, who said she

1225
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 9: wants of the Coffee Chicks, her group that gets together

1226
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 9: every morning and runs the town. And I was trying

1227
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 9: to figure out how to work that in a book,

1228
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 9: and it could fill in perfectly.

1229
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: I thought, Yeah, I thought that was before you gave

1230
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 2: the names away, and then you decided I have five more.

1231
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 2: Let's see Cheryl, Betty, Shawna, and Debbie. And they're all

1232
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: names from that generation, right, They're gone now, there aren't

1233
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 2: any more. Denise's so well played. And I like Lauren

1234
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 2: Trumpy as well. Is that a giveaway?

1235
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 4: No, that I think I made that name up.

1236
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 9: That's one of the few I didn't take from the

1237
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 9: you Know your Name in and and actually from a

1238
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 9: previous book.

1239
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: Oh I forgot I forgot names from a previous book.

1240
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: I love by the way the Crossroads. Everything works, every

1241
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 2: detail in this book. How long does it take to

1242
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: pay for.

1243
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 4: This one was a little more complicated than most.

1244
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 9: Hopefully readers won't say, oh, this is complicated though the

1245
01:02:53,080 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 9: pages will fly, but because we can give a little

1246
01:02:57,400 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 9: bit away. I mean, Joe Pickett is nearly injured in

1247
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 9: the very first pages of the book, and Joe goes

1248
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 9: into a coma airlifted out. His three daughters. Adult daughters

1249
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 9: all come together and decide to figure out which of

1250
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 9: the three ranches that Joe was likely visiting at the

1251
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 9: crossroads was responsible.

1252
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 4: For the ambush.

1253
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 9: So that's how it begins, and then there are flashbacks

1254
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 9: to all.

1255
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 4: The events leading up to the ambush.

1256
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 9: At the same time the girls are investigating the potential murderers.

1257
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 2: You gave away more than I was going would be,

1258
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: so I'm not at fault.

1259
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 4: I did it.

1260
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: All I tell the people is I've got the galley chair.

1261
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: I picked them up, walked out of the studio yesterday

1262
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 2: Dwayne and Adam and Harley will Levere and said, I

1263
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: got to go home and read Chuck's book. And I asked, Dwayne,

1264
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: is it a one day read? He said, absolutely, It's

1265
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 2: a page turner. And it turned out to be. I

1266
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: want to tell people it's you know, you don't have

1267
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 2: to read the first twenty five, though it might lead

1268
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: you to go back and do it, because it doesn't

1269
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: give away anything about the previous twenty five except in

1270
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 2: illusion to maybe Nate a little bit. But I just

1271
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 2: think it's fabulous for people who are starting out and

1272
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 2: they want to get the first one. You also thank you,

1273
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 2: saying to my heart, you have two endangered species in here.

1274
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: You have the it's not really an endangered species. The

1275
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 2: sagegrouse is protected by Wyoming under a special deal with

1276
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: the nuts at the US Fish and Wildlife Service, not

1277
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 2: the listed as endangered. And then you've got a spelling

1278
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: bee word to Ptarmigan?

1279
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 9: How do I say that Armigan? Just forget the pee

1280
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 9: and they're just Ptarmigan. Okay, that's another yeah, right, No,

1281
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 9: they're they're game birds, but they're they're more mountain they're

1282
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 9: very quick little birds. Tarmagan. You can go Ptarmigan hunting.

1283
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 9: It's really rough country, usually on the size of rocky hillsides.

1284
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 9: They're unique to the West and the step.

1285
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: Pretty sure I've never bagged one.

1286
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 4: Chuck, I'm pretty sure you haven't.

1287
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 2: No, I don't, I've not gotten it. But it's a

1288
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: great spelling B word. I think people need to go

1289
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: look at a P T A R M I G

1290
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: A N. I asked to fetching missus Sewett last night,

1291
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 2: what in the world is arm against? Did I know

1292
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 2: the word? But I don't know what it is? So

1293
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: we both looked up. But you've got the sage grouse

1294
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 2: and the ptarmagin. And when we come back, we'll talk

1295
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: about other rip from the headline controversies in CJ's brand

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Speaker 2: new book, The Crossroads, the latest in the Joe Pickett

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Speaker 2: Theater series. Head over to Amazon dot com, get it

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Speaker 2: delivered on Monday, which is publication day it drops, and

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Speaker 2: go see him in Denver. Go over to cjbox dot

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Speaker 2: net to find out the rest of the book signing events.

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Speaker 2: I'll be right back with CJJA two. Welcome back to America.

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Speaker 2: I'm Hugh Hewett Chuck Box. Do you know what that

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Speaker 2: music is?

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Speaker 4: It's from The Godfather, Yes, you know what?

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Speaker 3: And it's from.

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Speaker 9: Oh isn't it from the uh? Not the funeral? But

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Speaker 9: it's from the parade and got.

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Speaker 2: It's a hospital scene. Ah okay, And so.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty clever, well, very.

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Speaker 2: Clever writing in the book, and people have to read

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Speaker 2: the book to know what I'm talking about. But there

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Speaker 2: are always hospital scenes in CJ. Box thrillers for Joe Pickett,

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Speaker 2: and there's one in this that made me think of

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Speaker 2: a young uh al Pacino going with the Baker to

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Speaker 2: stand in front of the deserted hospital and shy away

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Speaker 2: the gangsters. And I went and rewatched it today. It's

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Speaker 2: a fabulous scene that you set up. By the way,

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Speaker 2: was that on your mind when.

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Speaker 3: You did it?

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Speaker 9: Not necessarily some you know, I do outline. I do

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Speaker 9: a lot of pre planning, but sometimes something will just

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Speaker 9: pop up kind of in context of the of the

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Speaker 9: story that I will add in. And that was when

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Speaker 9: I added in, was when yeah, we don't want to

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Speaker 9: talk about the circumstances now, yes, it's very similar.

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Speaker 2: Now, when did you get interested in brain surgery? Because

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Speaker 2: I learned more about brain surgery in this book, and

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Speaker 2: I mean it really is brain surgery, so not a joke.

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Speaker 2: There's brain surgery in the book. When did you get

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Speaker 2: interested in that?

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Speaker 4: There is?

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Speaker 9: You know, I happened to read a book by called

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Speaker 9: gray Matter, by a neurosurgeon called doctor Theodore Schwartz, came

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Speaker 9: out last year I can't Yeah, I can't even remember

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Speaker 9: why I got it, but it was so fascinating because he's.

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Speaker 4: Not only a renowned surgeon, he's a great writer and

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Speaker 4: described things really well.

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Speaker 9: And one of the things that fascinated me was how

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Speaker 9: sometimes the personalities of patients people change after brain surgery,

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Speaker 9: after a severe brain damage. How sometimes you know, a

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Speaker 9: lion becomes a lamb, or a lamb becomes a lion,

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Speaker 9: or you know, total personality change. And it fascinated me

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Speaker 9: because it did, you know, went into the depths of

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Speaker 9: brain surgery.

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Speaker 4: And I wanted to add that in this book.

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Speaker 9: So I asked doctor Swartz if he would look over

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Speaker 9: the chapters that I wrote about it and fix my errors,

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Speaker 9: and he fixed a few, and so I think it's

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Speaker 9: pretty accurate.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's a thriller within a thriller because it

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Speaker 2: does plumb. You quote Winston Churchill, tell you about the

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Speaker 2: Soviet Union, which is it's a riddle wrapped inside and

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Speaker 2: mystery inside and enigma. That's the human brain. I thought

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Speaker 2: it was fabulous. Now there's also blue. I want to

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Speaker 2: make sure people understand that we go from brain surgery

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Speaker 2: to blue in the crossroads are you a grandfather. I am.

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Speaker 4: We have four grandchildren and another one on the way,

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Speaker 4: so I know you are.

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Speaker 9: I know you're familiar with blue Absolutely anybody our age

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Speaker 9: with grandchildren.

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Speaker 4: It's a great show.

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Speaker 2: It is. Daniel Tiger and Blueie have got me out

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Speaker 2: of many a Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Jam.

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Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about saving me rip stuff from the headlines.

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Speaker 2: I made a list. Not only do we have the

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Speaker 2: endangered species I mentioned, we got rare earth. We got

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Speaker 2: fatanyl I military age males coming over the border in

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Speaker 2: division strength. You know, I talked about that last week

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Speaker 2: with a national security person before I read Crossroads, and

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Speaker 2: I don't think many people are aware of that. Check

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Speaker 2: Where did you learn about that?

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Speaker 4: On the Hugh Hewitt Show?

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Speaker 9: Like I learned so many things, seriously, maybe not the

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Speaker 9: rare earths, but a lot of the geopolitical issues.

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Speaker 4: I listen every day, but I get smart. I listened

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Speaker 4: to you.

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Speaker 2: You you didn't learn about rare earths from me? Because

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Speaker 2: I can't even pronounce the names of these things. I

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Speaker 2: wrote them down in my back flap. We've got dys inmium, terbium, pyrasidimium, dysprosonium.

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Speaker 2: Did I get any of those, right.

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Speaker 9: I think, so, I'm not sure I can pronounce them.

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Speaker 9: I did a lot of research into that, you know,

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Speaker 9: that's kind of think. Rare earths are not that rare.

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Speaker 9: They're everywhere, But why they're surprised is if they're in

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Speaker 9: huge concentrations, and the biggest problem with with retrieving them

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Speaker 9: is refining them. In the United States, and that's there's

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Speaker 9: a there's a Wild West gold rush going.

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Speaker 3: On in the Mountain West.

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Speaker 9: Some of the biggest discoveries of rare earth deposits have

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Speaker 9: been found in the last few years in the state

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Speaker 9: of Wyoming, all over the state. So yeah, people are

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Speaker 9: looking for them all over. They're finding them. They're talking

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Speaker 9: about how many trillion dollars worth of rare earth there are.

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Speaker 9: It's wild.

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Speaker 2: The technology of finding them, which is described in this

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Speaker 2: book as a subplot, is all new to me. And

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Speaker 2: I has all of Wyoming now been mapped, because that's

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Speaker 2: what I would do at scale. If it's that valuable,

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Speaker 2: you would map all of Wyoming, wouldn't you.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I can't say if it's all been mapped.

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Speaker 9: I know that the areas that are most likely to

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Speaker 9: have those kind of geological formations. There's all kinds of

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Speaker 9: things going on with you know, land men out there,

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Speaker 9: you know, securing rights and so on.

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Speaker 4: But it gets very complicated. It's hard to say.

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Speaker 3: From the air.

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Speaker 9: You can tell that there are rarers, but you don't

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Speaker 9: not sure how deep they are till they start to dig.

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Speaker 9: So it's complicated, it's costly, but it's a boom now.

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Speaker 2: It's very alarming to me when a lab comes up

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Speaker 2: in the book, and when it first comes up, I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking crystal math because that was a problem in Riverside,

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Speaker 2: San Bernino County for a while when I was practicing law.

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Speaker 2: You never wanted to go onto big empty spaces because

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Speaker 2: you run into someone cooking met here they're cooking ventanyl

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Speaker 2: and I've never read about that. Is that a real

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Speaker 2: problem now in the Mountain West.

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Speaker 4: I can't say that it's huge, but it has happened.

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Speaker 4: That's where I got the whole idea from that.

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Speaker 9: It was a small place, a small cabin, not far

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Speaker 9: from the interstate Interstate eighty, so it could be serviced, the.

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Speaker 4: Chemicals could be brought.

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Speaker 9: In because ventanyl production has been slowed down, so they're

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Speaker 9: in some cases trying to cook it locally.

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Speaker 2: Very alarming, and again I would have people read it

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Speaker 2: for this. Then I want to ask you you better

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Speaker 2: not get stopped by any state highway patrolmen because there's

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Speaker 2: an illusion here that they may not all be on

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Speaker 2: the up and out. Chuck. You know that right. They

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Speaker 2: lead books too.

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Speaker 9: Just like all long haul truckers, all highway troopers are

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Speaker 9: all upstanding citizens.

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Speaker 2: I want to read page two eight. This is Cassie

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Speaker 2: on interrogation. Cassie said, just talk with them, not to them,

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Speaker 2: and be friendly about it. Ask them about their lives

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Speaker 2: and their interests. Don't judge them overtly. But most of all,

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Speaker 2: keep them talking. If you keep them talking long enough,

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Speaker 2: they'll let something slip. But if you're dominating the conversation

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Speaker 2: or telling them now either clam up or get belligerent,

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Speaker 2: that helps no one take their side. If you can

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Speaker 2: lend a sympathetic gar to their grievances. If they think

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Speaker 2: of you as an antagonist, you won't learn anything. If

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Speaker 2: they think of you as their friend or ally, they

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Speaker 2: might reveal things that surprise you and help you along.

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Speaker 2: That's how to do interviews. How did you learn that, Chuck, Well,

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Speaker 2: I mean I used to be a journalist.

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Speaker 9: I have found over the years, I still love to

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Speaker 9: do the research for every book and all the topics

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Speaker 9: we're talking about and talk to people about them. And

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Speaker 9: I've always the dirty little secret is that you know,

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Speaker 9: if you walk up to somebody with an empty notebook,

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Speaker 9: often they just feel they just feel compelled to fill

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Speaker 9: it and tell you everything about that they can think

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Speaker 9: of about their lives, that the work they do. Rarely

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Speaker 9: does anyone ask other people about what they do and

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Speaker 9: how they do it. So if there's real interest there

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Speaker 9: and it's sincere interests, I've never had anybody ever refuse

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Speaker 9: an interview.

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Speaker 4: Or not tell me.

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Speaker 9: Some cases, tell me too much that I can't even

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Speaker 9: don't even want to put in the books.

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Speaker 2: Has have you used that line before? Because I wrote

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Speaker 2: it down. If you have an open notebook in front

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Speaker 2: of you, people want to fill the page. Have you

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Speaker 2: used that before?

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Speaker 4: I don't think I've used it. I've used it in talks,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think I've used it in the books.

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Speaker 2: It's a fabulous line. One more segment Chuck Box. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: CEJ Box's brand new book Crossroads. If you're watching on

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Speaker 2: the Salem News Channel, this is a galley, So you

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Speaker 2: can't buy the galley, but you can go get the

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Speaker 2: book and have it delivered on Monday, because it drops

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Speaker 2: on Monday, and you will thank me. And then you

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Speaker 2: go back and you'll start at the beginning. I'm just

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Speaker 2: warning you in advance about the Highway. You won't sleep

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Speaker 2: for a while when you read it. Don't go It's

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Speaker 2: not a Joe Pickett novel, all right, that's not that's

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Speaker 2: a standalone Stay tuned America. I'll be right back with

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Speaker 2: CJ Box after this booking back in America. That's Brandy

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Speaker 2: by looking Glass, one of the songs in My youth,

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Speaker 2: and I play it because there's a Brandy in this

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Speaker 2: in this book. No eman blinking. I used to say,

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Speaker 2: that's a tripper name, and I don't think it's a

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Speaker 2: stripper name. Throw all the brandies out there, but it's

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Speaker 2: pretty funny. And I don't know if she's coming back

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Speaker 2: around or not. I do want to point out that

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Speaker 2: a US Senator from Arkansas is on the case of

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Speaker 2: the hedge fund billionaire married to Brandy. Wouldn't know that

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Speaker 2: US senator from Arkansas, I was down on the CCP

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Speaker 2: would be. But they get their shout out on page

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Speaker 2: one ninety one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot about that. Okay, yeah, it's in there.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you about billionaires. I've had the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to sit down a few times with billionaires, and they're

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Speaker 2: like sitting down with you, and like sitting down with

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Speaker 2: Dwayne and sitting down with anybody. Dining room table can

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Speaker 2: only be so big. People have only so many stories

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Speaker 2: to tell. Are all your billionaires bad? Have you ever

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Speaker 2: had a good billionaire?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: I think I have a couple of books ago there

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Speaker 9: were some tech, high tech billionaires, the tech bros. Yeah, trip, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 9: And they weren't necessarily bad. They were a little out

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Speaker 9: of their entitled world enailment, but not bad.

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Speaker 2: No, they were entitled. I just think it's interesting. This

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Speaker 2: guy is a sleeves ball. We'll see if he comes

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Speaker 2: back around again. Is Brandy going to come back around?

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01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 9: Probably if he is, she is, unless she's got some

1510
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 9: other things on the side, so she may be around.

1511
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. That's I don't think she's going

1512
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 2: to come back around unless she's a missing person in

1513
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 2: the book. All right, Now, I want to talk about

1514
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 2: the two more things. Joe is hopelessly behind on his

1515
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 2: paperwork because he has a new boss who's demanded he

1516
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 2: do a daily report on what he does. That, by

1517
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 2: the way, is the bane of many lives, daily reports

1518
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: on what you do? Have they ever been effective? Where

1519
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 2: did you get that idea? You don't have a daily

1520
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: report to anyone except missus box.

1521
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 4: That's right, and I do, I do.

1522
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 9: I never missed that one. But no, I just remember

1523
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 9: talking to a game wardan a few years ago, and

1524
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 9: I was doing a ride along with him, and he

1525
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:53,440
Speaker 9: was grousing about the fact that he previously had supervisors

1526
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 9: who left him alone, who now wanted to be received

1527
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 9: reports every day, and how miserable that was, and how

1528
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 9: he would read the same report every single day and

1529
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 9: the supervisor would never call it out, so we did

1530
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 9: never know if it was red.

1531
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 4: But that's just stuck with me.

1532
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 2: It sticks with me too, because it's part of the

1533
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 2: endless paperwork machine. Then opening Day, I've never thought about

1534
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 2: opening day on hunting season. Hundreds and hundreds of hunters

1535
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 2: over thousands of miles. It's not really a day you'd

1536
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 2: want to work, is it. That's like Elmer Fudddale.

1537
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 9: Well, In fact, if you're a game board you have

1538
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 9: to work it. But for example, where I live in Wyoming,

1539
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,519
Speaker 9: there's a day where the general elk season opens up,

1540
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 9: and it is it's a parade of headlights in the

1541
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 9: middle of the night going down the highway. You can't

1542
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 9: even believe there's that many people there or even in

1543
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 9: the area, but it's it's like a local holiday. In fact,

1544
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 9: the kids aren't excused from school because they know they're

1545
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 9: not going to be there anyway.

1546
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in Hillsdale, Michigan, at the college on

1547
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 2: the first day of deer season in Michigan, and it's

1548
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 2: in southern Michigan, and there wasn't a soul to be

1549
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,880
Speaker 2: found except in every coffee shop in town. Before dawn.

1550
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 2: Everybody was getting breakfast before going out. But they don't

1551
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 2: go out in the they don't go out in the dark.

1552
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 2: That's what I hadn't thought about. All those headlights coming

1553
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 2: up the mountain.

1554
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 4: Right and I've been there, I've seen him.

1555
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:16,840
Speaker 9: I've just seen, you know, streams of headlights hitted and

1556
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 9: hopefully if if I don't hunt that much on general

1557
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,080
Speaker 9: elk Day. But when I did as a younger man,

1558
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,800
Speaker 9: I remember thinking, oh, no, they're all coming into my area.

1559
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 4: Oh no, but that's just that's the way it is.

1560
01:18:29,320 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 2: I want to close up by referencing Dorn of the Mountains.

1561
01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 2: First of all, I'm the I'm the warden of the

1562
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 2: Collegiate Peak, so I kind of think he's on my turf,

1563
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 2: Dorn of the Mountains. Where did you come up with that?

1564
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:42,759
Speaker 2: Because it's very, very funny.

1565
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 9: It's actually a oh not not Louis Lamore, but it's

1566
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:55,120
Speaker 9: oh the other old Western writers. Western writer Zane Gray

1567
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 9: wrote a book called Zorn of the Mountains, and several

1568
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 9: years ago had a book signing a guys whose name

1569
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 9: was Dorn and can introduce himself as Dorn of the Mountains.

1570
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 2: Do you read saying Gray and the other guy?

1571
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 3: You know?

1572
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 2: Eisenhower got through World War Two reading those?

1573
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 4: I was I I couldn't. I cannot really read Zane Gray.

1574
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 4: I've tried.

1575
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 9: The pros is so purplish that I just distracted. But

1576
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 9: I certainly have read others.

1577
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 2: Now. Elmar Leonard wrote a few Westerns in the day,

1578
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 2: but none of them as good as The Crossroads. CJ

1579
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: Box congratulation now number twenty six for Joe Pickett, number

1580
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:35,560
Speaker 2: thirty six for overall CJ Box work. I mean, you

1581
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 2: just work, work, work, So I want people to understand

1582
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 2: it's a fabulous read. Go out and get it, and

1583
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 2: go see CJ and Denver on Sunday or go to

1584
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: cjbox dot net and you'll find out where he's going

1585
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 2: to be over the next two weeks. Congratulations CJ. Another bestseller,

1586
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 2: and I appreciate your spending time with me.

1587
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 4: Thank you so much to you. I sure appreciate it.

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01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:56,759
Speaker 2: Always, always a pleasure.