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Speaker 1: see it all right there. You know, I keep getting

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Speaker 1: Brandon Tatum, you know, Officer Tatum. He did a show.

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Speaker 1: something a couple of nights ago on Laura Ingram's show.

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Speaker 1: Horn and I were discussing about this Nancy Guthrie thing.

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Speaker 1: There rolling your eyes saying, oh, stick, oh, You're not

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Speaker 1: going to turn the show into a Nancy Guthrie show. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: h Ed. Have you seen the clip? Now? I must

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Speaker 1: I try not to beat you up too much about

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Speaker 1: So the daughter's been kidnapped, and the mother is pleading

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Speaker 1: And the Internet is exploding over Savannah Guthrie plea sounding

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Speaker 7: You say, the whole situation is absolutely weird.

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Speaker 7: Of course, your heart and your mind are two different things, like,

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Speaker 1: So I just again, just as I'm anecdotally watching out

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Speaker 1: the thing. You know what Barack Obama's talking about this morning?

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama, I noticed this morning overnight. I guess posted

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Speaker 1: Republicans are still trying to pass the Save Act, a

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Speaker 6: Whatever that is to tell your member of Congress to

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Speaker 1: So while see an n A MSNBC, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: Ed for example, could this be one of those things

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Speaker 1: requiring identification to vote? Prove that you're a legal citizen,

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Speaker 7: Like universally, if you're on the left, you hate the

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Speaker 1: Legal perspective, I don't know what it means to prosecute

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Speaker 1: that if there hasn't been someone stepping forward.

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Speaker 6: Bill and I thank you for.

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Speaker 1: The call these women that we see, Like yesterday, these

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Speaker 1: women were raising their hands during Pam Bondi's testimony when

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Speaker 1: somebody asked, how many of you have not been contacted

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Speaker 1: by the Trump administration, And so this gallery of supposed

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Speaker 1: Epstein victims all raised their hand and the left thinks

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Speaker 1: this is a really condemning moment. Pam Bondi said repeatedly,

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Speaker 1: any of these people can reach out and call me

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Speaker 1: and talk to me and logic complaint or say they've

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Speaker 1: got evidence, or make a statement if they think there's

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Speaker 1: something criminally that's happened, let us know. And ed this

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Speaker 1: is the thing that I keep coming back to. I'm

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Speaker 1: not again. I understand there was criminal behavior that went on.

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Speaker 1: I understand there was stuff that I think would probably

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Speaker 1: make our skin crawl. And the details and the things

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Speaker 1: that have come out in these thousands and thousands of

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Speaker 1: pages that have been released, millions of pages that have

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Speaker 1: been released, it's gross stuff. The thing it seems we're

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Speaker 1: lacking is any in particular woman who's now a grown woman.

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Speaker 1: All of these women are grown adult women. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that we have a one of them who has

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Speaker 1: stepped forward with an attorney and filed a criminal complaint.

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Speaker 1: To my knowledge, I don't know that there is a one.

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Speaker 1: I will stand corrected if I have got that wrong.

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Speaker 1: But if any of these women that have made the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl ad, that have showed up raising their hand

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Speaker 1: in the gallery, have any of them stepped forward with

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Speaker 1: an attorney and filed a police report and said I

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Speaker 1: was the victim of a crime and I am going

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Speaker 1: to I'm prepared with an attorney to take this up

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Speaker 1: in a court of law.

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Speaker 6: Do we know of any of those women doing that yet?

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Speaker 12: Me?

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Speaker 2: I don't know of any.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 1: They keep showing up raising their hands saying they're victims.

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Speaker 1: Have any of them step forward with an attorney and

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Speaker 1: filed a police report and said here's the crime that

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Speaker 1: I alleged has been committed against me.

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Speaker 2: Was there one that wrote a book?

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Speaker 1: Yes, and she's dead. Is a Virginia do free or whatever?

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Speaker 1: I think she was the one, And there's been discussion. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: go ahead.

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Speaker 12: No.

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Speaker 7: Then Elon has offered free legal counsels, said come to me.

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Speaker 6: And this is the thing that bothers me a lot.

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Speaker 1: Elon has said, if any one of you want to

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Speaker 1: step forward, and I keep hearing this all very powerful men,

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Speaker 1: very powerful men. It's twenty twenty six, guys, the Internet like,

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Speaker 1: this isn't nineteen fifty.

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Speaker 6: This is what I mean.

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Speaker 1: This is that revelation addiction stuff fast. Any people like movies,

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Speaker 1: they like movie plots. There's a sinister guy petting a

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Speaker 1: white cat that tells a couple of his henchmen go destroyer.

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Speaker 1: Look if there are dozens of women showing up in

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Speaker 1: commercials and press gaggles, you can't wipe them all out,

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Speaker 1: you can't silence them. There's not a guy petting a

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Speaker 1: white cat ordering people's disappearance in mass It's just not real.

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Speaker 1: So step make a cert of cry. All these members

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Speaker 1: of Congress who have read all these documents, Thomas Massey

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Speaker 1: for instance. I keep hearing them say, well, if this

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Speaker 1: isn't fixed by Pam Bondy that I'm just gonna start

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Speaker 1: naming that.

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Speaker 11: Please do.

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Speaker 1: Ed yes, please, do you have immunity? Nobody can touch you.

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Speaker 1: You're a member of Congress. Go to the House floor

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Speaker 1: and read every last reprobates name from the House floor today.

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Speaker 1: I'll be the first to play it here on the

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Speaker 1: air tomorrow morning.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, him and Rocanna, go ahead, you've seen it, right,

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Speaker 7: Why don't they?

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 7: They spend hours looking through it and they keep talking.

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Speaker 7: There was like this gotcha, like I got you here.

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Speaker 7: It's just like, well, okay, then like show it.

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Speaker 2: What do you got?

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Speaker 1: So you can say Pam Bondy was objectively bad yesterday

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Speaker 1: in that hearing.

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Speaker 6: If you want to, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: You know me, I said this yesterday on X I'm

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Speaker 1: not a Pam Bondy enthusiast. I'm not a Pambondy apologist.

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Speaker 1: Ed there to say, you know this show pretty well.

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Speaker 1: We've we've talked about this since we were discussing who

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Speaker 1: he was going to pick his AG. We had a

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Speaker 1: robust discussion back then about Pam Bondy.

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Speaker 7: Remember, yeah, you're not as hard as pambond as hard

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Speaker 7: on Pam Bondy as I am.

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Speaker 2: But yes you are. You're not a Pammondy apologist.

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Speaker 1: No, I've been I've been patient with Pam Bondy. I've

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Speaker 1: been waiting to see. My default position has been I

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Speaker 1: trust Trump. If Trump thinks there's something there, he sees

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Speaker 1: something in her that I perhaps don't. Uh, he gets

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Speaker 1: it right more often than he gets it wrong politically

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Speaker 1: in my view, he certainly got the resumeated back that up.

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Speaker 1: So I say, I wait, as I read it, guys

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Speaker 1: like Bill on social media, if social media is the.

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Speaker 6: Metric.

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Speaker 1: Most people were not overly enthused with her presentation yesterday,

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Speaker 1: But that all distracts from the facts and the questions

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Speaker 1: that I just laid out. These women are grown women.

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Speaker 1: They're adult women surrounded by literally now four or five

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Speaker 1: presidencies and their staves, dozens and dozens, hundreds of members

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Speaker 1: of Congress and their staves, thousands of people that have

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Speaker 1: come through FBI and DOJ coming over these files over years.

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Speaker 1: And we don't have a single name, and we're supposed

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Speaker 1: to believe we're waiting on Pam BONDI does that make

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Speaker 1: any sense to you? You know, I said that whatever

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Speaker 1: the stream press, and that could mean even you know,

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Speaker 1: I won't necessarily call Fox mainstream, but Fox is big,

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Speaker 1: like CNN. Like if I said, you know, network, whatever

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Speaker 1: the network might be talking about, you can always kind

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Speaker 1: of bet that if there's a dominant storyline that is

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Speaker 1: just constant, constant, constant, without end, there's something else going

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Speaker 1: on that people don't want you paying attention to. And

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Speaker 1: I just point out that right now, constant and without

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Speaker 1: end seem to be two stories. If you're on the left,

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Speaker 1: it's Epstein and some subversives who claim to be on

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Speaker 1: the right but aren't really on the right. They're paid

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Speaker 1: operatives by Katar or something, I'm pretty sure. So there's

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Speaker 1: the Epstein story for the subversives to Trump. Then I

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Speaker 1: think to the to the to the right, and I'm

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Speaker 1: saying the Cologne and cufflink right. I think there is

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Speaker 1: a huge attempt to distract from cracking down on borders,

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Speaker 1: from ice, from illegal aliens, from illegals voting, and the

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Speaker 1: Save Act.

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Speaker 6: Criminality.

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Speaker 1: Look, status quo being protected is something that yes, I

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Speaker 1: think both the establishment right and establishment left want very much.

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Speaker 1: They want to protect status quo. I think that is true.

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Speaker 1: Brandon Gill yesterday took the opportunity during the Bondie hearing

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Speaker 1: to lay out the abuses by the status quo, real

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Speaker 1: things that have happened to real Americans and this country

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Speaker 1: in recent time that we aren't discussing and ought to

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Speaker 1: be Number fifty seven.

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Speaker 13: Can you tell me is it true that the Biden

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Speaker 13: Heris DOJ rated President Trump's home?

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Speaker 14: They did?

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Speaker 13: Did the Biden Haris DOJ elon Jack Smith, despy on

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Speaker 13: over a dozen Republican members of Congress.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely.

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Speaker 13: Did the Biden Haris DOJ seize the phone of a

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Speaker 13: sitting Republican Congressman.

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Speaker 10: Yes.

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Speaker 13: Did the Biden Harris DOJ and Jack Smith pay at

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Speaker 13: least twenty thousand dollars to confidential human sources to provide

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Speaker 13: information on President Trump? At least at least did the

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Speaker 13: Biden Harris DOJ and FBI fail to apprehend the suspect

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Speaker 13: who placed pipe bombs near the Capitol ahead of January sixth?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 13: Did the Biden Harris DOJ target parents as domestic terrorists?

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Speaker 15: Absolutely?

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Speaker 13: Did the Biden Harris DOJ target pro life Catholics, going

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Speaker 13: so far as to interview a priest and a choir director.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 13: Did the Biden Harris DOJSON FBI swat teams to arrest

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Speaker 13: pro life advocates with no criminal histories?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 13: Did the Biden Harris DOJ use the Face Act to

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Speaker 13: target pro life advocates while it allowed anti life agitators

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Speaker 13: to vandalize, destroy, and firebomb pregnancy resource centers and.

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Speaker 15: Churches multiple times?

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Speaker 13: I believe did the Biden Harris dog DOJ excuse me,

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Speaker 13: seek leniency from a federal court for an IRS contractor

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Speaker 13: who leaked sensitive of tax information on over seventy six

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Speaker 13: hundred Americans, including President Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yes, now, I understand that there are victims of pretty ugly,

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Speaker 1: heinous things, things that we know, things that we imagine,

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Speaker 1: things that we've heard that went on with Epstein and

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Speaker 1: the people he associated with. I understand all that. But

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Speaker 1: what Representative Gil just laid out were a list of

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Speaker 1: horribles that have happened to you and me as American

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Speaker 1: citizens in very recent history. That is the immediate past presidency,

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Speaker 1: no punishment handed down, no responsibility assigned or taken. And

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Speaker 1: we're supposed to pretend right now that are are all

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Speaker 1: on fire and only on fire about this thing that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump was warning everyone about twenty years ago. And however,

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Speaker 1: he's dead. He's dead. The abuses inside our government going

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Speaker 1: on against you and me are happening right now, but

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Speaker 1: not for Donald Trump, and that should alarm us immediately.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you. If you have yo yo

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Speaker 1: I've lost dramatic amounts of weight before, only to gain

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Speaker 1: for it, and you think it's all about your own

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Speaker 1: willpower and your own lack of discipline. Look, maybe, EI

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Speaker 1: there's some of that, but the real truth of it

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Speaker 1: is it was not strictly about willpower. There is one

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Speaker 1: thing only that determines whether your body burns fat or

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Speaker 1: stores fat. And if you don't know how to fix that,

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Speaker 1: every diet you're ever going to try fails. That's all

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Speaker 1: that changed for me was looking at it differently, and

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Speaker 1: PhD Weight Loss told me how to look at it differently.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Ashley Lucas and I started talking about her program

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Speaker 1: and why it's worked so well for some of my

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Speaker 1: colleagues and how she's different. And so when I went

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Speaker 1: on this program last year and I began to eat

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Speaker 1: real food, I didn't have to take any kind of

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Speaker 1: shots or any kind of gimmicky drugs or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: It was just purely understanding how my body best metabolizes food,

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Speaker 1: when to eat, what to eat, and not starving myself

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Speaker 1: by the way. And here's the deal. You start to

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Speaker 1: have real victories quickly. And I lost over forty pounds

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Speaker 1: in under four months time fast. Eddie, our executive producer,

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Speaker 1: was so impressed with it, he said, I wouldn't mind

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Speaker 1: trying it. I said how much you want to lose?

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Speaker 1: He said fifty pounds. So we dialed up Ashley Lucas

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Speaker 1: and I said, can Eddie lose fifty pounds along with

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Speaker 1: me here?

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Speaker 6: And she said, oh, absolutely, Let's give it till May.

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Speaker 1: So he started the program. Folks, he is already halfway

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Speaker 1: to his goal after just thirteen weeks or so. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about over twenty five pounds in

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Speaker 1: a matter of weeks. That could be your story. Now.

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Speaker 1: I have managed to lose that kind of weight last

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Speaker 1: That's the first time in my weight loss history that

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll talk.

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Speaker 1: I don't do this often. I don't do a lot

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Speaker 1: of Epstein shows because I don't know what I don't know,

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Speaker 1: and I get kind of my eyes glaze over with

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Speaker 1: it after a while. It's like talking about the Nancy

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Speaker 1: Guthrie story. I don't do crime crime stories on balance,

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Speaker 1: No matter how vile, crime stories do not intrigue me

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Speaker 1: like they do other people. I understand it is a

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Speaker 1: franchise business model CSI whatever. Fast Eddie has been a

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Speaker 1: show on CBS, I think for thirty years, So yes,

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Speaker 1: I whatever. People love crime drama. I just don't happen

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Speaker 1: to be one of them. Are you one of these

714
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Speaker 1: guys that detective Cipowitz. We've got another body. My wife

715
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Speaker 1: watches those things on a loop. She'll watch them day

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Speaker 1: and night, twenty four to seven. She loves the crime show,

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Speaker 1: that's loves it.

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Speaker 7: That's the reason my parents still have cable is because

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Speaker 7: my mom watches what she calls the Murder Channel, that's

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Speaker 7: Investigation Discoveries.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she saw.

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Speaker 7: I am not myself all about that, but she's all

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Speaker 7: about it.

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Speaker 6: And you do understand. I don't think I'm wrong here.

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Speaker 1: Do you disagree with me that the thing that the

726
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Speaker 1: guth Three story and the Epstein story share in common

727
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Speaker 1: is that criminality and unsolved mysteries.

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Speaker 6: Figures shadowy figures.

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Speaker 1: We don't know. We suspect stories. We can tell ourselves

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Speaker 1: possibilities we can weave. The storylines are endless, right because

731
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Speaker 1: we never really have clarity on it. But there are victims,

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Speaker 1: we know, there's sadness, there're videos, there's people love this stuff,

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Speaker 1: and I just it's never been much for me. I

734
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Speaker 1: like a good comedy frankly, But okay, a number of

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Speaker 1: you seem to think that Pam Bondy's not doing her job,

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Speaker 1: or that's the assertion that I hear. I called it, Mark,

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Speaker 1: and I said, look, can we talk about what exactly

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Speaker 1: she should or could be doing? Because I don't know

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Speaker 1: that I've actually had that conversation. Let's talk about the

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Speaker 1: meat and potatoes of this thing. If she knows there's

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Speaker 1: something criminal in these documents, what could or should she

742
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Speaker 1: be doing? How could that manifest itself in the legal system?

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Speaker 1: Is she able to just bring into action what needs

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Speaker 1: to happen? Asked another way, and you may the answer

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Speaker 1: to this may be yes.

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Speaker 16: Ed.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Pam Bondy sees criminality in these

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Speaker 1: documents and is willfully ignoring it? If you do, that's fine,

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Speaker 1: You're not under oath or any obligation to say one

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Speaker 1: way or the other. I have no opinion of Pam

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Speaker 1: Bondy and her role in this. I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what I don't know, and I'm man enough

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Speaker 1: to just say I don't know what I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Do you think she sees criminality in these documents and

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Speaker 1: she's just wilfully ignoring it?

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Speaker 7: I wilfully ignoring? No? No, I guess that wouldn't be

757
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Speaker 7: fair to say. I do think she sees criminal Obviously,

758
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Speaker 7: she sees criminality in it, but maybe not willfully ignoring it.

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Speaker 1: Do we think that Merrick Garland, that loathsome little toad,

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Speaker 1: looked through any of these documents, saw criminality and willfully

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Speaker 1: ignored it? Or name the Attorney general before him, and

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Speaker 1: before him and before him? Like multiple administrations, multiple figureheads,

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Speaker 1: multiple members of Congress, and their stabs have seen this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Are they all complicit collectively and wilfully ignoring criminal behavior?

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Speaker 7: I see Merrick Garland was different in because, like I don't,

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Speaker 7: I don't think that the Biden administration people were actually

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Speaker 7: good at their jobs. So he was tasked very specifically

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Speaker 7: with going after the Democrats political enemies. So I don't

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Speaker 7: know that. He even opened the Epstein book once while

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Speaker 7: he was there, Like, I just not interesting to him exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, eight five to five, stigall is how you reach

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Speaker 1: us today. Let's go to Trinidad in New York this morning,

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Speaker 1: waiting patiently. Hey, Trinidad, glad you called? What's on your mind?

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Speaker 10: Hi?

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Speaker 11: Hell?

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Speaker 6: Hey there you're on the air.

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Speaker 11: Good morning, good morning. Yeah. What I was going to

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Speaker 11: say was those girls, those well they're not girls no

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Speaker 11: more there women. They I want to ask them the

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Speaker 11: frank question that you're saying to me and to other people.

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Speaker 11: Why don't they say who you know violated them when

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Speaker 11: they were young? Give them a name? They just stands

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Speaker 11: up there with their hands up. Why that doesn't make

784
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Speaker 11: no sense for anybody. But you can put your hand up.

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Speaker 11: Oh well, you know, and then they want to uh

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Speaker 11: bond you to stand up and apologize for what she

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Speaker 11: can't work, you know, read those ladies' mind. Come up

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Speaker 11: to her. That's your lawyer, like he said, and tell

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Speaker 11: them what's going on? Who did it and who didn't?

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Speaker 1: You know? Trinidad, thank you for the call, she said yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Any one of those women can pick up the phone

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Speaker 1: and dial the whatever the tip line is and tell

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Speaker 1: her to investigate a specific claim or charge or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And it is her assertion as I understand that ed

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Speaker 1: that she has not received a call call like that,

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Speaker 1: that no one's dialed her up and said go investigate

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Speaker 1: these specific things.

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Speaker 6: That's her assertion.

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Speaker 7: Do you believe that, yes, that nobody's called her up

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Speaker 7: and said, okay, this very specifically is where I want

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Speaker 7: you to look and investigate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yes, I believe that.

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Speaker 1: Or these very specific things happened to me by this

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Speaker 1: very specific person. She says, if you have anything like that,

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Speaker 1: call me and we'll look into it. It would be

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Speaker 1: a bold lie if she's lying to say that under

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Speaker 1: oath as the Attorney General. If that's a lie, it's

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Speaker 1: a big one. And she says, none of those women

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Speaker 1: raising their hand yesterday I called her.

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Speaker 7: It would The problem is there is a factor of

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Speaker 7: intimidation here because these are very powerful people. I mean,

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Speaker 7: we're talking about toppling world leaders right now all throughout

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Speaker 7: Europe and the royal family, and so there is I

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Speaker 7: think there could be a hint of intimidation here as well,

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Speaker 7: especially since the Statute to Limitations has run out.

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Speaker 1: Anna Paulina Luna said something interesting yesterday. She said it

817
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Speaker 1: should not go unnoticed that a number of the women

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Speaker 1: in these documents that we've been reading, some of the

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Speaker 1: most horrifying emails being circulated, are not from men, says

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Speaker 1: Anapauline A. Luna, but from women who claim to be victims.

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Speaker 1: And once you turn eighteen, she said, if you're still

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Speaker 1: engaged in trafficking children, that's a choice. At that point,

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Speaker 1: you're no longer a victim, you're a co conspirator. To

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Speaker 1: be clear, not all victims are guilty of this. However,

825
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Speaker 1: it's a fact that some of them are. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: heard that right, she wrote on X yesterday. Some of

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Speaker 1: the women claiming to be victims helped traffic the children.

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Speaker 5: Ed.

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Speaker 1: Now, that's a little wrinkle in this story. I hadn't

830
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Speaker 1: heard until Anna Pauline Luna brought it to our attention.

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Speaker 1: Some of the women claiming to be victims, she says,

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Speaker 1: were actually grooming children and part of the ring themselves

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Speaker 1: in adulthood. Okay, Is that of interest to you?

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Speaker 2: It is?

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 7: It goes back to files released earlier this year of

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Speaker 7: someone pretty prominent that you said that the people may

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Speaker 7: not want certain things released about them.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, that's a wrinkle. That's pretty creepy.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Brian and Western Pennsylvania. Hey, Brian, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you called. Welcome in to the show. Good morning, Brian.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I hear you all right?

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Speaker 8: I'm great, Chris love the show.

844
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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 8: I gotta go with fast Eddie. I gotta tell you

846
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Speaker 8: we need to be more aggressive as a Republican on

847
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Speaker 8: the Democratic Party. You know, they take their shots and

848
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Speaker 8: we never fire back. We just kind of lay down

849
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Speaker 8: and take it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think did you see any of this BONDI

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Speaker 1: hearing yesterday?

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Speaker 8: Yes, I have bits and pieces.

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Speaker 1: I what did you the clip? So the reason I

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Speaker 1: ask is, given what you just said, do you think

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Speaker 1: she was doing that giving it as good.

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Speaker 6: As she got or you didn't care for it?

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Speaker 8: I didn't care for as much. I you know, I

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Speaker 8: think her hands were kind of restrained. I would like

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Speaker 8: I would like to see more like Congressman Gil.

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Speaker 1: Amazing.

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Speaker 8: You know you kind of you read my mind as

862
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Speaker 8: I was hanging on the line and I'm listening to you.

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Speaker 8: Holy cow, everything you know you said basically covers it.

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Speaker 8: And once again, you know we're distracted from everything that's

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Speaker 8: really going on, particularly with the Epstein files.

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Speaker 10: You know, I wish it would just.

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Speaker 8: Go away as well as now you know, now this

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Speaker 8: pops up, you know, with the Pam bond E thing.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's it's it's just there's so much that

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Speaker 8: once again the wolves being pulled.

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Speaker 10: Over our eyes.

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Speaker 8: Look, you know, look around, see what's going on, you know,

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Speaker 14: And what's more impressive here is the number you just

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Speaker 14: as I've been saying since this administration came into office,

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Speaker 1: Re privatizing the economy. We have not seen the government

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Speaker 1: sector this low in terms of people working for it

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Speaker 1: at the federal level in fifty years. The Trump administration

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Speaker 1: has gutted the largesse of the federal government. So a

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Speaker 1: lot of unemployment that you've been hearing about is your

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Speaker 1: tax payer dollars coming back to you and me Kevin

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Speaker 1: Hassett in number fifty eight talking about this very same thing.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen.

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Speaker 17: But the bottom line I can say is that by

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Speaker 17: maybe not completely primally of some people cut back, we've

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Speaker 17: produced federal workers by three hundred and sixty thousand people.

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Speaker 17: And that's like almost thirty billion dollars a year in savings.

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Speaker 17: And so so what President Trump is doing is taking

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Speaker 17: a big step towards getting closer to a balanced budget. Yeah,

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Speaker 17: we were in a fiscal situation that was completely out

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Speaker 17: of control when he came into office, and now we've

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Speaker 17: reduced the deficit by about six hundred billion dollars this year.

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Speaker 1: Because that's huge. Reduced the deficit by six hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm dropping the bucket when you're talking trillions,

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Speaker 1: but it's a good darn start. Healthcare work propels us

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Speaker 1: to strongest job growth in more than a year in

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Speaker 1: the month of January, and violent crime has plummeted across

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Speaker 1: major US cities.

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Speaker 6: That's just some of the victories in spite of the noise.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine how many idiots are calling that FBI

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Speaker 1: tip line in this gut three case now, I mean

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Speaker 1: just morons. Stone called moron, people are sending pizza to

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Speaker 1: her house, and it's just the worst. People are the worst, Eddie.

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Speaker 1: I've seen all these stories about just morons calling them.

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Speaker 1: And there are these guys that are getting pulled over. Now.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to Jen Horn yesterday. There are guys

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Speaker 1: that are getting pulled over as suspects, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the guy's in laws called in, you know, called the

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Speaker 1: tips line on him, and it's like I had to

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Speaker 1: chuckle to myself. I was like, well, that's a great

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Speaker 1: way to get rid of a scumbag your daughter's dating. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I think that my daughter's boyfriend might be in on

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Speaker 1: the Nancy Guthrie case. You know, have the swat team

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Speaker 1: move in and just hassle that scumbag boyfriend of your

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Speaker 1: daughter that might you know. Ah, I'm just having a

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Speaker 1: little fun, But seriously, the number of idiots that have

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Speaker 1: got to be calling that tips line ed right, Oh gosh.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't even can you? God bless the FBI.

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Speaker 7: I know we don't say that often, but you did.

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Speaker 7: There are people that actually have to answer the phone

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Speaker 7: and talk to you. I mean all day long, all

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Speaker 7: day long. I can't four time zones. I saw the

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Speaker 7: eyes on that ring camera that looks like my nephew.

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Speaker 7: You can't get out anyway. True crime drama, it's a thing.

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Speaker 7: It's been a thing. It's wildly popular. Network shows, Netflix shows.

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Speaker 7: Millions billions have been made on true crime drama. There

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Speaker 7: are whole channels devoted to true crime drama. I maintain

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Speaker 7: Mark Weaver, our dear friend, who's a former spokesperson for

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Speaker 7: the DOJ and knows his way around the constitution and

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Speaker 7: the law. He's an officer of the court, he's a professor,

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Speaker 7: and Mark, I just think that the culture at large,

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Speaker 7: not everybody in this audience, and I'm not one of them,

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Speaker 7: but people at large just love themselves a good crime story,

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Speaker 7: and we're hip deep in a couple of them right now.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt that's true. In addition to appearing on

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Speaker 4: your show, I'm often asked to speak on the Law

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Speaker 4: Crime Network, one of these true crime outlets because they

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Speaker 4: know that I'm a part time prosecutor who regularly prosecutes

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Speaker 4: rapists and murders. And when I'm out speaking around the country,

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Speaker 4: I will have people come up to me and say, oh,

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Speaker 4: I watch you all the time on lang crime. Now,

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Speaker 4: of course they always say Chrysti gall as well and

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Speaker 4: with Crystal caall. But but I am surprised by how

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Speaker 4: many people, particularly exkews female believe it or not, excuse me, yes,

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Speaker 4: really enjoys as an avocation consuming true crime content and

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Speaker 4: we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: It and I'm not. And I hope nobody misinterprets that

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Speaker 1: is me digging at it or making fun of it.

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Speaker 1: I'm my wife is one of these people. But what

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Speaker 1: I think is it's done for better or worse. Has

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Speaker 1: made a lot of us armchair counselors and our armchair investigators,

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Speaker 1: and and maybe you disagree with that, But when I

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Speaker 1: hear people's analysis of like the Epstein story, we'll start there.

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Speaker 1: I know there is a desperation to see people who

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Speaker 1: would victimize children punished severely. I share in that it's repugnant.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing worse than victimizing a child, and like just

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Speaker 1: nothing worse. But people feel like law is not working

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Speaker 1: in this case. They're just frustrated. They're convinced they know

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Speaker 1: that deep, dark, awful things have happened, and the law

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Speaker 1: is ignoring it. And so let's just broadly talk about that, Mark,

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Speaker 1: Do you see that that way? Multiple administrations, multiple attorneys General,

1014
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Speaker 1: multiple members of Congress, multiple people through the FBI have

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Speaker 1: seen all this stuff. All these people, Mark are just

1016
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Speaker 1: ignoring vicious, awful, dark criminality.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I have a theory that people are expressing their

1018
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Speaker 4: anger about Epstein at a larger failure of the system

1019
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Speaker 4: to do what the people want to do. There's lack

1020
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Speaker 4: of trust in government. There's no doubt that Epstein was

1021
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Speaker 4: a creep and a criminal and should have been in

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Speaker 4: prison the rest of his life. Now, having said that,

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Speaker 4: what we saw yesterday in that House Judiciary Committee was

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Speaker 4: a joke and it was I looked at those Democrat

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Speaker 4: members of Congress asking questions. I looked at all of

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Speaker 4: the members. I don't think any of the and as

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Speaker 4: prosecuted rapists. I have prosecuted rapists, including serial rapists, And

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Speaker 4: they took a serious subject and turned it into a

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Speaker 4: political stunt, and they used survivors of sexual assault as

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Speaker 4: political props. Out in the audience to make their latest

1031
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Speaker 4: daily anti Trump talking point. I thought the entire thing

1032
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Speaker 4: was disgraceful. I was proud of the way how Attorney

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Speaker 4: General Pam Bondi didn't let them used her as a

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Speaker 4: political punching bag. She actually pushed back with some facts.

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Speaker 4: I've not always given her high marks on the Epstein issue,

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Speaker 4: but I thought she hindered herself well. And what you're

1037
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Speaker 4: saying is probably true. There's a larger outgrowth of using

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Speaker 4: the Epstein issue for larger purposes than just this one

1039
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Speaker 4: narrow criminal.

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Speaker 1: And what's remarkable are moments like these. In number fifty three,

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Speaker 1: here's Congresswoman Jayapaul angry that Pam Bondi's released too much

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Speaker 1: too fast.

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Speaker 6: Take a listen.

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Speaker 3: So, which is it you apologize to the survivors and

1045
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Speaker 3: your opening statement for what they went through at the

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Speaker 3: hands of Jeffrey Epstein. Will you turn to them now

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Speaker 3: and apologize for what your Department of Justice has put

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Speaker 3: them through with the un absolutely unacceptable release of the

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Speaker 3: Epstein files and their information.

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Speaker 1: The unacceptable release of the files, I mean, market's saying,

1051
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Speaker 1: you know, damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.

1052
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Speaker 1: So here they put on the gas pedal. Trump signs

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Speaker 1: the order. They're releasing more than anybody's ever released, and

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Speaker 1: now she's being accused of harming victims because they released

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Speaker 1: it too fast or whatever.

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Speaker 4: That's right. It's they're contorting themselves into whatever anti Trump

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Speaker 4: position they can take. But there was a greater moment

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Speaker 4: of hypocrisy from that member of Congress and others. They

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Speaker 4: scolded Pam Bondi for identifying these sexual assault victor and

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Speaker 4: then said, with the sexual assault victims, please stand up

1061
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Speaker 4: so the cameras can take pictures of you once again.

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Speaker 4: Which is it You're mad that a name or two

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Speaker 4: made it through the redaction process on the millions of pages.

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Speaker 4: Now let's feature them on national television and then have

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Speaker 4: a press conference. Sadly, every sex crime should be prosecuted,

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Speaker 4: and every sex criminal should go to prison. But sadly,

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Speaker 4: some of these victims, many of them have been paid

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Speaker 4: a lot of money in civil damages, are using this

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Speaker 4: moment in the spotlight for much larger purposes than simply

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Speaker 4: trying to get past the horrible thing that happened to them.

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Speaker 4: And they've become the plaything of Democrats trying to go

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Speaker 4: after Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: Market My on solid legal footing.

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Speaker 1: When I say members of Congress who are all talking

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Speaker 1: up a mean streak about how they're gonna name names

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Speaker 1: if Pam Bondi doesn't do something, are they not protected

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Speaker 1: to do so? If they think that there are guys

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Speaker 1: who are involved in illicit sexual trafficking or abuse of children,

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Speaker 1: are they not protected to just read names from the

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Speaker 1: House floor, for instance, if they think they've got the

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Speaker 1: goods on somebody like that, you are a keen observer.

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Speaker 4: Of the Constitution, my friend. Is called the speech or

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Speaker 4: debate clause. Some people call it the speech end debate clause,

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Speaker 4: but it's called the speech or debate clause, which protects

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Speaker 4: from civil and criminal liability things that members of Congress

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Speaker 4: do in official proceedings like the House floor, like a committee.

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Speaker 4: It's more controversial weather extends beyond that. AOC, for example,

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Speaker 4: thinks that anything she burps out on TikTok is protected

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Speaker 4: by the speech or debate clause. That's probably not true,

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Speaker 4: but certainly if they wanted to out people who were complicit,

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Speaker 4: and if they have information from these victims, they can

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Speaker 4: go to the floor of the House and read those

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Speaker 4: names and face zero similar liability and It makes you wonder,

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Speaker 4: why haven't they done that?

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Speaker 1: Is it true that these women could all, any of them,

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Speaker 1: could go secure attorneys, file police reports, and begin some

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Speaker 1: kind of criminal proceedings themselves and not.

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Speaker 6: Have to wait around for Pambondi? Is that not true?

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Speaker 4: That's exactly right. And there was a little bit of

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Speaker 4: a little bit of a dodge going on in that committee.

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Speaker 4: They kept saying, stand up, if you've never met with

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Speaker 4: the Justice Department, stand up if you've never had your

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Speaker 4: information taken from the Justice Department. The Justice Department are prosecutors.

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Speaker 4: I'm a prosecutor and a part time basis. When someone

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Speaker 4: tells me they have criminal information, I say, call my investigators.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to be a witness in my own case.

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Speaker 4: Talk to my investigators. So in this case, Pam Bondi said,

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Speaker 4: routinely call the FBI. They will take your information and

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Speaker 4: if there's probable cost to believe a crime existed, we

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Speaker 4: will prosecute it. So it was a bit of a game, Oh,

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Speaker 4: has the Department of Justice met with you? Stand up

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Speaker 4: if they've not. They didn't say, was have you talked

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Speaker 4: to the FBI, which are the investigat for federal crimes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be like I believe a crime has

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Speaker 1: happened to me, and then someone says, well, has Mark

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Speaker 1: Weaver called you about it?

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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 1: Well, I haven't told anybody about it from Mark Weaver

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Speaker 1: to call me, right? Isn't that the way to think

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Speaker 1: of it? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: We all know what happens when you think there's a

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Speaker 4: crime that occurred. You call nine one one, or you

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Speaker 4: call one night hundred, call FBI, and you report it.

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Speaker 4: Now ready for this, at least in the federal case,

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Speaker 4: if you tell a lie to an FBI agent, if

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Speaker 4: you tell them something happened that didn't happen, that's a

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Speaker 4: crime in itself. So I wonder if if someone is

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Speaker 4: hesitant to speak to the FBI why they are. It's

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Speaker 4: either because they're afraid of being charged with a crime

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Speaker 4: for lying, or maybe they just like being part of

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Speaker 4: a political prop movement to help the Democrats advance their

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Speaker 4: attack on Donald Trump of the week.

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Speaker 1: If I could hold you over, I'd love to, But

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Speaker 1: let me close with just a quick thirty second question

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Speaker 1: on this. Do you believe the Pambondi said in these

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Speaker 1: hearings yesterday she's looking into some of this still, do

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Speaker 1: you believe there are active investigations still and there may

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Speaker 1: yet be prosecutions, And to that people will shout, well,

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Speaker 1: what's taking so long. It's been twenty plus years, why

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Speaker 1: do you need more time? What do you say to that.

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Speaker 4: There might be And we will find out pretty quickly

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Speaker 4: whether there's other investigations, and I'm happy to stay over.

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Speaker 1: With you, all right, Thank you. Mark. Mark Weaver is

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Speaker 1: our dear friend and one of the smartest people I know.

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Speaker 1: He knows the constitution, he knows prosecution, he knows very

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Speaker 1: specifically the vile, vile things like sex crimes that are

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Speaker 1: being discussed here in these Epstein files. And so when

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Speaker 1: we get back, that's what I want to ask him

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Speaker 1: from a prosecutorial point of view, the process.

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Speaker 6: Let's talk about the process.

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Speaker 1: So these women he just confirmed could come forward on

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Speaker 1: their own with an attorney and a criminal complaint. So

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Speaker 1: once that happens, how does prosecution happen? You know, there

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Speaker 1: are people that the claim that these files are full

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Speaker 1: of evidence that should be prosecuted. So if that's true,

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Speaker 1: why isn't it happening? I'll ask him. Coming up, Chris,

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Speaker 1: Mark Weaver is back and Mark, thanks for hanging on.

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Speaker 1: Here's the bottom line question. You're a prosecutor, what do

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Speaker 1: you need to prosecute sex crimes? Because there are millions

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Speaker 1: of people with an earshot of our voices right now

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Speaker 1: who believe crimes have been committed. There is ample evidence

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Speaker 1: to prosecute them. So damn it, why aren't they being prosecuted?

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Speaker 1: How do you answer it?

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Speaker 4: Well, more and more juris expect DNA evidence, which the

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Speaker 4: further we get away from a crime, the less likely

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Speaker 4: we are to have DNA evidence. Prosecutors, when I go

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Speaker 4: to prosecutor's conferences, we study this. It's called the CSI effect.

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Speaker 4: People watch CSI, they see the high tech evidence gathering

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Speaker 4: and they want that before they can make a decision

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Speaker 4: on a rape case. You also have to have eyewitnesses,

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Speaker 4: so you have to have a witness you can come

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Speaker 4: forward and give them from about the crime. Interestingly enough,

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Speaker 4: the five or six people who stood up in that

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Speaker 4: hearing yesterday and identified themselves as victims, two of them

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Speaker 4: were relatives of the victim who died, Virginia Giffrey. The

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Speaker 4: other five or six looked to be well past the

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Speaker 4: age of when they would have been adults when Jeffrey

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Speaker 4: Epstein was doing his crimes, So if they were adults

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Speaker 4: at the time, they're going to have to prove lack

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Speaker 4: of consent, meaning that I was there, I was an adult,

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Speaker 4: and he raped me without my consent, or some other

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Speaker 4: person rape me without my consent. If they have that evidence,

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Speaker 4: prosecutors like me are eager to bring the case. When

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Speaker 4: it's he said, she said, that's the only evidence and

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Speaker 4: there's nobody else there, Prosecutors are often reluctant to bring

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Speaker 4: those cases because of the CSI effect.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe there are child sex traffickers and perverts

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Speaker 1: in powerful places today who have committed these heinous acts

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Speaker 1: and will just never see justice because of a lack

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Speaker 1: of evidence.

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Speaker 4: It's possible, but I don't know that it's likely. Everything

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Speaker 4: I've read about this case, and I'm not an expert,

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Speaker 4: but I have read a lot of things, is that

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Speaker 4: most of this comes directly down to Jeffrey Epstein, who

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Speaker 4: repeatedly took advantage of and sexually abused women, mostly young

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Speaker 4: women under eighteen in many cases, and he's dead. Gilaine

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Speaker 4: Maswell is serving a twenty year term for her complicity

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Speaker 4: and conspiracy in that if anybody, including someone who used

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Speaker 4: to be a victim. This is controversial. Somebody started as

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Speaker 4: a victim and then became a procurer of other victims,

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Speaker 4: that person has committed a crime as well. And that's

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Speaker 4: a difficult case to bring because they're going to say,

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Speaker 4: look at me, I'm a victim. Yes, you may have

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Speaker 4: been a victim, and there's someone should be held accountable.

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Speaker 4: But if you then stuck around and helped find other

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Speaker 4: fourteen year olds to come give these gross massages, you

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Speaker 4: actually were committing crimes when you did that.

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Speaker 1: And Anna Pauline a Luna has suggested just that some

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Speaker 1: of these alleged victims are now perpetrators themselves. So they

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Speaker 1: say that in these documents there's really gross, graphic, specific,

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Speaker 1: explicit stuff.

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Speaker 6: And I hear this all the time.

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Speaker 1: Well, if Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking these girls, he was

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Speaker 1: trafficking them to people. There had to have been people

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Speaker 1: involved in this. Mark It couldn't have just been him,

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Speaker 1: they say, And you say to that, what.

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Speaker 4: I say to that As a prosecutor, bring me evidence

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Speaker 4: and I'll bring a charge. We have to unanimously convince

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Speaker 4: a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that this happened. At

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Speaker 4: every month we get further from the offense, witnesses go

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Speaker 4: away or forget, details are lost. And because of this

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Speaker 4: CSI effect, that this notion that jurors want more scientific evidence,

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Speaker 4: it gets harder and harder to bring cases. Having said that,

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Speaker 4: Attorney General Bondi says, there are still ongoing investigations, and

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Speaker 4: this is the Justice Department that is fighting ridiculous law

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Speaker 4: fair lawsuits against everything that Trump administration does. So you

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Speaker 4: have federal prosecutors who worked with when I was at

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Speaker 4: the Justice Department who are trying to defend the Trump

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Speaker 4: actions while also advancing cases like this.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any doubt at this point, if there's crime,

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Speaker 1: Pam Bondy is willfully ignoring it. If there's real crime

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Speaker 1: that can be proven and prosecuted, do you think anybody

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Speaker 1: inside DOJ is ignoring it.

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Speaker 4: I don't what interest would there be to ignore it.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes it takes a long time to put a federal

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Speaker 4: criminal case together and get it and bring it. And

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Speaker 4: I've seen that, and I understand that. But Pam Bondi

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Speaker 4: has been a prosecutor for most of her career. She

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Speaker 4: would love to prosecute some of these people. And you'd

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Speaker 4: have to say that Donald Trump somehow wants to protect people.

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Speaker 4: We now know because of this release of documents. Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump twenty years ago was saying to law enforcement, go

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Speaker 4: after this guy. That's the thing that was not brought

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Speaker 4: up yesterday by the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: and the launch of Trump rx dot gov. Last week,

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Speaker 1: we didn't get to talk a lot about it, so

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Speaker 1: we're going to this morning with Chris Klomp, who is

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Speaker 1: Director of Medicare and Deputy Administrator of CMS, senior advisor

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Speaker 1: to HHS Secretary Kennedy, and we're grateful to meet you

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Speaker 1: in person for the first time. Mister Klump, Good morning.

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Speaker 15: Great to be with you.

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Speaker 1: Chris. How are you. I'm doing well.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those things that I think has

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Speaker 1: been overshadowed on purpose, one of the many wins I

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Speaker 1: think that President Trump should rightly take a victory lap for.

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Speaker 1: And of course, the news cycle as it is often

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Speaker 1: likes to overshadow positive developments for the Trump administration. So

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Speaker 1: that's why we wanted to talk about trump our X.

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Speaker 15: I appreciate.

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Speaker 16: I think the American people should be taking a victory

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Speaker 16: lap right now. The launch of trump URX dot gov

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Speaker 16: last week by the President. The American people are going

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Speaker 16: to stop feeding the addiction of the rest of the

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Speaker 16: wealthy world for prescription drugs. For decades, we've paid nearly

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Speaker 16: three times what other citizens in other countries pay for

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Speaker 16: the same drugs in the same boxes, from the same manufacturers,

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Speaker 16: from the same manufacturing plants. And the President said enough

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Speaker 16: is enough. So he launched his most favored nation drug

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Speaker 16: pricing policy, and he directed us to negotiate deals directly

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Speaker 16: with pharmaceutical companies to ensure that that foreign free loading stops.

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Speaker 16: So last week, with the launch of trump rx dot gov,

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Speaker 16: now American families can begin to access the lowest prices

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Speaker 16: in the wealthy world.

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Speaker 15: They don't buy drugs through the site.

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Speaker 16: They go to the site, they find out what the

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Speaker 16: lowest price is, and the site sends them where they

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Speaker 16: can get them conveniently if their local pharmacies or other

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Speaker 16: places from major pharmaceutical manufacturers. But in this way, the

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Speaker 16: President's shining a bright light on the principle of fairness

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Speaker 16: and making sure that affordability comes to all Americans and

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Speaker 16: their healthcare costs.

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Speaker 1: How many pharmaceutical products are we talking about right now?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there are I don't even know how

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Speaker 1: many pharmaceutical products you could count out there, but there

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Speaker 1: are lots, hundreds, thousands, maybe I don't know how many brands,

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Speaker 1: how many types of medicines are impacted here.

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Speaker 15: We measure it in dollars.

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Speaker 16: We spend about four hundred and sixty billion dollars as

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Speaker 16: a country each year on branded pharmaceuticals.

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Speaker 15: They only make up.

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Speaker 16: About nine percent of our prescriptions, but about eighty five

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Speaker 16: percent of our spend.

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Speaker 15: And that's the problem.

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Speaker 16: That's the place where we're paying three times what other

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Speaker 16: wealthy countries are for the same drugs.

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Speaker 15: So that's where we focused our efforts. Last week, the.

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Speaker 16: Site launched with just over forty drugs, including the two

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Speaker 16: highest spend drugs in the country. That includes GLP ones

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Speaker 16: as well as fertility drugs for families who are trying

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Speaker 16: to grow their families and struggling to conceive.

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Speaker 15: We will add many many more over time.

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Speaker 16: That first drop of drugs represents just the first batch

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Speaker 16: of companies with whom we negotiated agreements. We've already announced

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Speaker 16: sixteen companies with the President.

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Speaker 15: More on their way. More drugs are on their way.

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Speaker 16: So if you go right now and you don't see

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Speaker 16: your prescription, we want you to go back. It should

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Speaker 16: be the first place every family stops to ensure they're

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Speaker 16: getting the best deal.

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Speaker 1: And so when people go to trumparx dot gov, mister Klump,

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Speaker 1: how does it work? Is this for people that are

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Speaker 1: buying their drugs out of pocket or using insurance or both.

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Speaker 16: Well, we want everybody to go regardless if they have

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Speaker 16: insurance or not. The focus right now is for individuals

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Speaker 16: who are buying drugs out of pocket, and many of

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Speaker 16: the drugs they are drugs that are often purchased cash pay,

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Speaker 16: like a GLP one because many insurances don't cover GLP

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Speaker 16: ones at the moment, but over time, and this is

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Speaker 16: what the President is calling on as part of his

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Speaker 16: Great Healthcare Plan, is for Congress to codify the MFN

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Speaker 16: deals and to provide coverage for all individuals so that

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Speaker 16: if you go through trump rx dot gov and make

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Speaker 16: a purchase, even in cash, it will eventually count toward

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Speaker 16: your insurance deductible and out of pocket.

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Speaker 15: So we're working on that, but we need to change

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Speaker 15: the law.

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Speaker 16: We need Congress to take action, and the President has

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Speaker 16: called on them to do that as part of this

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Speaker 16: great healthcare plan that he announced to lower prices for

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Speaker 16: all Americans.

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Speaker 1: Chris klomp is with US Director of Medicare, Deputy Administrator

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Speaker 1: of CMS, and senior advisor to Secretary Kennedy. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's a big secret that the pharmaceutical industry is

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Speaker 1: the biggest lobbying effort on Capitol Hill. A lot of

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Speaker 1: members of Congress have benefited mightily from the dollars donated

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Speaker 1: to their campaigns. Does that, I assume make it difficult

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about negotiating drug prices and getting Congress

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Speaker 1: to codify that.

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Speaker 16: Well, back when the President announced the Most Favored Nation

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Speaker 16: policy in the spring and we began conversations with pharmaceutical companies,

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Speaker 16: you started to see ads and billboards popping up discouraging

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Speaker 16: progress on this effort.

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Speaker 15: And you can imagine a conversation.

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Speaker 16: With a pharmaceutical executive that says, Hey, I'd like you

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Speaker 16: to voluntarily lower your prices pretty please.

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Speaker 15: Not a lot of leverage.

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Speaker 16: That conversation maybe wasn't as productive as we might have wanted.

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Speaker 16: But actually there's an interesting observation, which is we invited

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Speaker 16: seventeen initial companies to come to the negotiating table to

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Speaker 16: talk about what we could do not just to lower prices,

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Speaker 16: but actually to spur more innovation, more drug discoveries, more

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Speaker 16: access for more Americans, and not a single CEO said

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Speaker 16: anything other than actually, I know this isn't fair, and

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Speaker 16: I want prices to be lowered. Two other countries are

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Speaker 16: not paying their fair share, but we need a little

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Speaker 16: extra help. I mean, that's a tough negotiation. If you've

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Speaker 16: got a single drug company negotiating against an entire country

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Speaker 16: like Germany or the United Kingdom, which is how it

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Speaker 16: works over there because they have nationalized hell systems. You've

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Speaker 16: got a single country that's doing to take it or

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Speaker 16: leave it. Deal with a company and saying here's what

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Speaker 16: i'll pay you for your drug, and generally they're offering

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Speaker 16: a price that's just a little bit over the marginal

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Speaker 16: cost of production.

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Speaker 15: So what's the company going to do?

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Speaker 16: But now all of a sudden, we've united the industry,

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Speaker 16: and when you're Germany or the United Kingdom or another

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Speaker 16: wealthy country. It's not you negotiating against one country. It's

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Speaker 16: negotiating against the entire industry with the might and strength

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Speaker 16: of the United States government behind it, backed by the

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Speaker 16: Department of Commerce led by Secretary Lutnik, and by the

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Speaker 16: US Trade Ambassador Ambassador Career, as well as Secretary Kendidate

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Speaker 16: and the Department of Health and Human Services, and most

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Speaker 16: importantly President Trump. That levels the playing field, that allows

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Speaker 16: other countries to do the right thing, pay their fair

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Speaker 16: share to drive innovation in pharmaceutical development, and allows us

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Speaker 16: to pay a little bit less.

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Speaker 1: We have been effectively as American consumers. I don't think

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Speaker 1: most of us are anti pharmaceuticals. They've saved lives and

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Speaker 1: done tremendous things. But we do subsidize the bulk of

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Speaker 1: the work that they have to do in terms of

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Speaker 1: research and innovation to get these drugs to market, whereas

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Speaker 1: other nations don't. I mean, isn't that what so much

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Speaker 1: of the cost is. I've always been told about pharmaceutical products,

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Speaker 1: the amount of I mean, yes, there's marketing, and I

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Speaker 1: understand there's profit and that sort of thing, which I'm

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Speaker 1: not against but it takes just gazillions of dollars to

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Speaker 1: research and get a drug to market and get it approved.

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Speaker 1: I would think that the bulk of that has been

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Speaker 1: absorbed by American consumers.

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Speaker 15: True, Chris, you are spot on. Here're some statistics. You're right.

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Speaker 16: It generally costs billions of dollars to bring a drug

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Speaker 16: to market, and there are good reasons for that. It's difficult,

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Speaker 16: groundbreaking science, and then you do have to navigate the

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Speaker 16: regulatory pathways that are there for good reason to make

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Speaker 16: sure that your drug isn't going to harm.

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Speaker 15: It's going to do more good than harm.

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Speaker 16: And that's a good thing and I sleep better at

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Speaker 16: night as a citizen knowing that. But right now, the

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Speaker 16: United States funds half of global pharmaceutical research and development.

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Speaker 16: We're only four percent of the population, by the way,

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Speaker 16: and get this, we fund we're about sixty percent of

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Speaker 16: global industry revenues and about sixty five percent of profits.

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Speaker 16: But again, for the privilege of funding all of that

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Speaker 16: research and development and driving all of this breakthrough science,

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Speaker 16: we then get the privilege of paying three times is

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Speaker 16: that the pharmacy counter or what anybody else is paying.

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Speaker 16: That's not fair and it's bothering the president for years,

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Speaker 16: and so that's why can command a change.

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Speaker 1: And could I ask you, mister Klump about the supply chain.

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Speaker 1: We learned during COVID that so much of our pharmaceutical

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Speaker 1: products come from places like China. Are we correcting course

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Speaker 1: on that.

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Speaker 15: I'm so glad you asked about that.

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Speaker 16: That is squarely in the target right now, So you're

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Speaker 16: exactly right. Many of the manufacturers have moved production overseas,

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Speaker 16: including some of what we call key starter materials. These

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Speaker 16: are the chemicals that are necessary to begin to form

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Speaker 16: the drugs that we ultimately take. So as a part

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Speaker 16: of the deals that we've been negotiating and credit where

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Speaker 16: credits due to the Department of Commerce and the US

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Speaker 16: Trade Representative, the President has announced over a quarter trillion

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Speaker 16: dollars of domestic reshoring investment by the pharmaceutical industry, with

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Speaker 16: more to come. This is moving research and development facilities

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Speaker 16: back to the United States, and it's moving manufacturing facilities

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Speaker 16: back to the United States. Now we're not done. We've

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Speaker 16: got more work to do to shore up our supply chain.

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Speaker 16: But this is a topic that's front and center, and

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Speaker 16: the President has directed us to ensure that we can

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Speaker 16: control our own destiny irrespective of what happens from a

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Speaker 16: geopolitical perspective.

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Speaker 1: And that's what makes Trump's deregulation policy so critical. Companies

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Speaker 1: need to be incentivized to be able to do work

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Speaker 1: here and it can't break their backs financially to get

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Speaker 1: it done. And he's working on that too. Chris Klomp

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Speaker 1: is Director of Medicare and Deputy Administrator for CMS. He

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Speaker 1: advises Secretary Kennedy as well trumparx dot gov. Go there,

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Speaker 1: check out your meds, see if they're not less expensive,

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Speaker 1: and we appreciate your time, sir.

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Speaker 15: Thanks Chris, if you will.

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, you know we're heading out there. I keep

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Speaker 1: forgetting to get the specifics on that. I've got to

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Speaker 1: do better on this ED. I got to promote this

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Speaker 1: because coming up in March. I was just talking to

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Speaker 1: Jen Horn yesterday, our great friend, host of the Morning

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Speaker 1: Answer there. She's coming up in just about a half

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Speaker 1: an hour live. She goes six to nine out there

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Speaker 1: on the West coast on the Answer AM eight seventy.

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Speaker 1: The Inland Empire. I just love that name. That's what

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Speaker 1: they call the geography of California, in which he broadcasts

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Speaker 1: the Inland Empire. We're going to Ontario, California, a place

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Speaker 1: I've never visited before, in March for a huge event.

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Speaker 1: All the luminaries of conservative politics in California will be

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Speaker 1: gathered there and they've been kind enough to invite me.

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Speaker 1: Larry Elder will be there, and I know they're working

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Speaker 1: on a couple of other guests that are really exciting,

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Speaker 1: and I think they're close to landing and so it

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Speaker 1: will be a tremendous event that they're hosting there at

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Speaker 1: AM eight seventy. Stay close to a gen show if

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Speaker 1: you're out that way. If you're listening right now and

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Speaker 1: you don't know about it, you can always go to

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Speaker 1: AMA seventy the aanswer dot com, I believe, and get

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Speaker 1: more information on that event in March. And I'll have

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Speaker 1: some more information as we get a little closer to

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Speaker 1: But I'd love to meet you and say hello, particularly

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Speaker 1: you people that are up live at this time of

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Speaker 1: day out there. You just don't know what you mean

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Speaker 1: to us. That is commitment to be awake at this hour,

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Speaker 1: and not just because those of you are either drunk

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Speaker 1: or not able to sleep. Some of you are actually

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Speaker 1: like legitimately upworking and being productive. So we're grateful to

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Speaker 1: have you. Don't forget. The Harrump Society is on sale

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Speaker 1: this week. It's the President's Day slash Valentine's Day Sale.

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Speaker 1: I only do this a couple of times a year.

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Speaker 1: If you've been curious about the Harrump Society, it's on substack.

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Speaker 1: It is one of the fastest growing political newsletters on substack,

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Speaker 1: and it's because I think what I've done with it

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Speaker 1: is curate the best stuff from X and social media

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Speaker 1: that you might miss, takes from people that I think

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Speaker 1: are interesting as well as awful. But I hope saves

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Speaker 1: you a lot of time, keeps you up to speed

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Speaker 1: on everything that's going on in the cesspool of social

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Speaker 1: media without you spending all the time in it that

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Speaker 1: it requires. Often and I give you some of my

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Speaker 1: additional thoughts in commentary. Also, there's a daily poll of

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Speaker 1: Harrumpers to track how you're feeling on various issues, which

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Speaker 1: I didn't check, and I should head over there. Eight

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Speaker 1: five fives to gaul is how you reach me today?

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Speaker 1: I did not check. And I asked this yesterday about

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Speaker 1: the economy and how her rumfers were feeling about it.

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Speaker 1: I said, do you feel the economy is improving for

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Speaker 1: you and your family right now and the choices I

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Speaker 1: gave were noticeably better, somewhat better, No, it's still tough,

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Speaker 1: or I can't say for sure either way. Fifteen percent

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Speaker 1: of her rumpers said no or they can't say for sure.

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Speaker 1: Fifty percent of those voting in the poll said it

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Speaker 1: was somewhat better, thirty four percent said yes, it's noticeably better.

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Speaker 6: So eighty four.

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Speaker 1: Percent of her rumfers voting in this poll yesterday at

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Speaker 1: the Herump Society said it's somewhat or noticeably better. How

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01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:57,080
Speaker 1: do you feel about that somewhat or noticeably better or no,

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01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: it's still tough out there, or you just can't say

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Speaker 1: if you're on like if somebody asked you, how are

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Speaker 1: things feeling from let's say a year ago, Economically.

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Speaker 2: Roughly the same, save for gas.

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Speaker 7: Honestly, paying less for gas has helped, because it's that

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Speaker 7: was getting.

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Speaker 1: Out of hand. You have noticed that gas has come down,

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Speaker 1: but other than that, you feel like everything is still

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Speaker 1: kind of holding. You haven't really noticed that you're saving

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Speaker 1: any money. Do you feel like you're spending more or

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Speaker 1: losing I feel about the same. I feel about this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so not worse, but not necessarily improved. Correct, Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: is rightly or wrongly a perception problem. Now do you

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Speaker 1: think you'll feel different after taxes? Have you filed your

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Speaker 1: taxes yet? Are you looking for a refund this year?

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Speaker 1: Very close, very close, We're almost done. I think one

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Speaker 1: more form just came yesterday, so I think after that

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Speaker 1: we will we will file.

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Speaker 6: Will you be entitled to a refund or you don't

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Speaker 6: know until after you find.

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Speaker 2: Usually entitled to a refund?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And do you do? And if I might, priy,

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Speaker 1: do you do something with that? Do you go out

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Speaker 1: and spend it? Do you save it?

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Speaker 7: We put half in savings and then the other half

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Speaker 7: we actually use for stuff that we actually need. So

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Speaker 7: if it's you know, like clothes, dress clothes, you know,

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Speaker 7: stuff for the dude, obviously.

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Speaker 6: I will be curious.

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Speaker 1: Will you check back and let me know if it

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Speaker 1: is bigger than last year or not, like noticeably or

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Speaker 1: a little bit? And if so, what does that do

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Speaker 1: for you? Let's say it's bigger, Let's say it's appreciably bigger.

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Speaker 1: Is that exciting? Does that do something for you?

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Speaker 2: It does?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's there's always things to be done and always

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Speaker 7: problems that arise as far as money goes, So yes,

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Speaker 7: that would be helpful.

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Speaker 1: It is sad that that is going to be the

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Speaker 1: game changer, that there are going to be people getting

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Speaker 1: those tax refunds this year and that when those hit,

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Speaker 1: moods will elevate. We'll keep a sharp eye on it

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Speaker 1: to see if that's so. We'll take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of we head to the Treasury. One of our favorites,

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Speaker 1: streak Tough Scott Bessett. Lieutenant Joe Lavorgna, counselor to Scott Bessett,

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Speaker 1: will be with us in just a minute. We were

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago in Washington, d C. Talking

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Speaker 1: about Trump accounts. I think one of the most exciting

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Speaker 1: things to come out of Washington in my life. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I was so inspired to hear young people and young families.

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Speaker 1: A guy who just had a baby literally that week

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Speaker 1: came up to me in church and said, Chris, I

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Speaker 1: was listening to your show talking about Trump accounts while

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Speaker 1: you were there in Washington, DC. And I immediately got

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Speaker 1: online and enrolled my new baby in one and I

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Speaker 1: just thought that that's got to satisfy the likes of

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Speaker 1: Joe Lavorna, who was with us at that event, and

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Speaker 1: he's back with us this morning. Counselor to the Secretary

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Speaker 1: of the Treasury, Joe, welcome back.

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Speaker 6: That's what it's all.

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Speaker 1: About, isn't it hearing a young person with a new

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Speaker 1: baby say they're taking advantage of it.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 12: It's anybody born during President Trump's term, We'll get a

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Speaker 12: thousand dollars from the US Treasury and then their employee

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Speaker 12: or you know, someone's employer or friend or family then

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Speaker 12: contribute upwards of five thousand per year for the duration

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Speaker 12: of the time of their that there a child, not

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Speaker 12: a legal adult, and it's it's a great way to

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Speaker 12: be a stakeholder in the US system, to take advantage

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Speaker 12: of the rising wealth of stock market creates that for

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Speaker 12: generations people have missed out on. It's a way to

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Speaker 12: build financial security and also, implicity.

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Speaker 10: A way to build financial.

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Speaker 12: Literacy, which I know something the Secretary is very very

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Speaker 12: attuned with and wants to improve upon, because people will

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Speaker 12: see the powers of compound interest. Compound interest is essentially

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Speaker 12: it's an investment, it's a down payment. And the best thing,

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Speaker 12: even maybe better, is that's by parisan. It just cuts

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Speaker 12: across the aisle. Has become wildly popular States, businesses, Democrats, Republicans, Independence,

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Speaker 12: they all love the Trump So we're very proud it's happening,

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Speaker 12: very excited about it. I believe you're exactly right, Chris.

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Speaker 12: It's a foundational and transformational policy that the administration's put

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Speaker 12: into place.

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Speaker 1: Joe, I understand that the President. We talked about it

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Speaker 1: two weeks ago when we were together there in Washington,

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Speaker 1: the President and you guys in Treasury, you're doing some

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Speaker 1: innovative stuff. You inherited an inflationary mess. You're trying to

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01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:31,680
Speaker 1: course correct. Everybody wants everything as cheap as they can

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Speaker 1: possibly get it. You understand that the market is going nuts.

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Speaker 1: You hit fifty thousand people that have money in the

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Speaker 1: markets for one case, and the like. They're seeing it,

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Speaker 1: they're feeling it. I don't know how many Americans don't

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Speaker 1: have that or don't experience it or don't feel it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, you're still seeing and hearing polls that say,

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Speaker 1: for whatever reason, for various reasons, maybe they go to

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Speaker 1: the grocery store or whatever, they don't feel it. So

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Speaker 1: there's this wild swing and feeling and sentiment right now.

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Speaker 1: I know, you guys know it. How do we talk

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Speaker 1: about it?

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Speaker 12: Well, I think you know, we could talk about the

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Speaker 12: stock markets. Think the market is very confident in the

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Speaker 12: President's policies.

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Speaker 4: That's fine.

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Speaker 12: But what we need to see, and we're starting to

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Speaker 12: see it because we saw it in the first Trump

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Speaker 12: term we didn't see another prior administration, is rising wages,

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Speaker 12: especially for hard working Americans what we call blue collar jobs.

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Speaker 12: You know, the people are very awful of paycheck to paychecks.

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Speaker 12: President Trump's policies worked extraordinarily well in the first term

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Speaker 12: and may that's why overwhelming majority across different races, classes,

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Speaker 12: creeds voted for the president back in twenty four And

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Speaker 12: you're correct, I did say there was a bit of

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Speaker 12: a mess, to say the least, and taking the range

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Speaker 12: of the economy from the prior administration, it takes some time.

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Speaker 10: The strong GDP.

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Speaker 12: Numbers in the stock market. I think where it's important

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Speaker 12: and maybe where we really need to get the message

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Speaker 12: out is those developments typically and often lead much better jobs,

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Speaker 12: much better wages, They lead right living standard. Because I

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Speaker 12: sat up under the first Trump term and yesterday's report,

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Speaker 12: which I think was very very important speaks to what

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Speaker 12: we've been saying for a while. President Trump's policies will work.

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Speaker 12: We understand the pain that's out there, We understand the suffering,

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Speaker 12: the fact that real wages before President Trump came in

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Speaker 12: essentially were down. They were negative, very little to no growth,

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Speaker 12: and now things are changing. It's going to take a

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Speaker 12: little bit of time, but I think that time has

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Speaker 12: finally come, and I think eventually you're going to see

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Speaker 12: people much more excited, much more upbeat about the future

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Speaker 12: because the President cares about the working class in particular,

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Speaker 12: you know, or Secretary Vestent likes to say, Chris, you know,

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Speaker 12: Wall Street's done very well. This is Main Street's term.

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Speaker 12: And I'm hopeful that what we saw in yesterday's employment report,

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Speaker 12: which is very strong, very solid, we'll see much more

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Speaker 12: of that as they moved through twenty six and beyond.

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Speaker 1: Joe Lavoie as Counselor to the Secretary of the Treasury

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Speaker 1: and joins us again. Housing it's always a thing, it's

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Speaker 1: always the discussion. I remember, here's what I was recalling

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Speaker 1: about my first home. Joe. I got one of those

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Speaker 1: faha qualified mortgages. My wife and I did. We were,

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Speaker 1: you know, kids, I mean literally twenty five and we

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Speaker 1: got a zero money down fah loan back then. Now

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Speaker 1: those don't exist anymore to my knowledge. So that's a

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Speaker 1: difference set of circumstances. Also, housing was not nearly as expensive.

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Speaker 1: You know, what would that have been now almost twenty

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Speaker 1: five years ago? So what do you say to a

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Speaker 1: person who's twenty five today and can't afford a home.

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Speaker 1: Those kinds of loans don't exist anymore. Maybe they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have because we got into a terrible mess, we know,

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Speaker 1: So what about that? Where are we headed there?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 12: Well, the President is very attuned to these costs of

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01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:39,440
Speaker 12: living problems which which arose under the prior administration.

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Speaker 10: You know, living inflation are like to court to take

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Speaker 10: a basket.

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Speaker 12: Of necessities in food, housing, energy, those costs rose almost

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Speaker 12: thirty percent under the prior administration. We're moving in the

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Speaker 12: right direction. That's important on the housing side, at least

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Speaker 12: in terms of rents. A lot of evidence in data

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Speaker 12: from the blsbre Liberatistics that shows that those rental costs

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Speaker 12: are moderating significantly. That matters because over time that should

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Speaker 12: foreshadow lower home prices. We're seeing energy costs move lower,

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Speaker 12: especially on the gas side, so we're making really good progress.

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Speaker 12: We do expect the intrastrates to come down. They have

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Speaker 12: come down quite significantly. Mortgage rates were very high under

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Speaker 12: the Bided administration. They recently were under six percent for

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Speaker 12: a thirty year mortgage. We need them to fall further.

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Speaker 12: We think they will.

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Speaker 11: So it's a.

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Speaker 12: Combination of just strong growth, raising after tax incomes through

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Speaker 12: better jobs, lower taxes on things like no tax on tip,

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Speaker 12: and over time, have any economy produce more, which will

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Speaker 12: lower inflation. If your economy's productive capacity can increase, that

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Speaker 12: allows you to produce more that could lower prices. I mean,

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Speaker 12: it's essentially it's a reset of Trump at one point er.

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Speaker 12: But I think actually I'm even more optimistic Chris, because

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Speaker 12: we've got the full expensing of capital. We've got the

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Speaker 12: full expensing you build a factory. When you do things

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Speaker 12: like that, you're going to employ people to operate that capital.

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Speaker 12: You're going to employ people to build the factories, and

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Speaker 12: then you're going to employ people in those factories. And

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Speaker 12: that factory expense and we have never done before in

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Speaker 12: the history of the country. It's own for three years.

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Speaker 12: That's going to be a huge incentive to produce. If

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Speaker 12: you produce, that inflation rate will come down. We'll see

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Speaker 12: living stands which are already improving. Chris gets significantly better

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Speaker 12: assident as President Trump's term continues.

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Speaker 1: Joe, I know the President addressed and I think it's

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Speaker 1: passed through the House. The idea of big investment firms,

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Speaker 1: big business buying up a bulk of homes available, homes

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Speaker 1: out there real estate, blocking that, thwarting that from happening

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Speaker 1: in the future. Where does that stand and strategically does

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Speaker 1: that help? Because I know the President is also mentioned

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Speaker 1: he's conscious of the fact that people that are sitting

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Speaker 1: in homes now with equity.

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Speaker 6: You know, you flood the market.

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Speaker 1: With housing and people lose a lot of equity too,

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Speaker 1: you know, price drop.

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Speaker 6: Right, that's a bad thing. So it's a weird batance,

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Speaker 6: isn't it.

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Speaker 12: Well yes and no. Well, first of all, not allowing

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Speaker 12: investors to come in and buy massive swaths of properties

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Speaker 12: very very thoughtful, and that's going to help because what

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Speaker 12: that does is it takes reasonably priced homes, special first

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Speaker 12: time home buyers. It's actually puts it onto the control

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Speaker 12: of one entity. It's like a monopoly. So not having

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Speaker 12: that limiting that is going.

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Speaker 4: To be very powerful.

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Speaker 10: But for home people who have sat at.

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Speaker 12: Homes for long periods of time have made tremendous amounts

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Speaker 12: of money on their homes. I don't think that that's

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Speaker 12: not so much the concern. The concern is you're mentioning,

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Speaker 12: Kris when you were starting off on your twenties, is

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Speaker 12: making housing affordable for those people that want to be

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Speaker 12: a first time home buyer. And you could do that

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Speaker 12: through lower interest rates, I think by increasing this plastid

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Speaker 12: of the economy that pushes inflation down. So we're trying

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Speaker 12: to do things on the permitting side to make it

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Speaker 12: more easy to build, because that's also the problem, and

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Speaker 12: a lot we have to deal with a lot of states,

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Speaker 12: and states of these states have a lot of strict

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Speaker 12: zoning laws, so there's a lot of things that kind

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Speaker 12: of hurt your ability to produce as quickly as you want.

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Speaker 12: But I guess the point is we're moving in the

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Speaker 12: right direction. And as she also had, the fact that

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Speaker 12: the president has secured the border and gotten really significant

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Speaker 12: amounts of illegal immigrants, which is a seventy thirty issue

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Speaker 12: among Americans, also is important, Chris, because over time that

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Speaker 12: also will lower housing. That's one way to free up

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Speaker 12: housing stock for first time home buyers is you all

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Speaker 12: have people now that are.

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Speaker 4: Leaving that shelter.

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Speaker 12: So I think we're going to see it.

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Speaker 10: It's going to take time. You know, there was a

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Speaker 10: lot of damage that was.

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Speaker 12: Done before, and we're moving in the right direction. I

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01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,519
Speaker 12: want people to be optimistic. The President's optimistic, and I'm

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Speaker 12: an optimist. But we're moving in the right direction and

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Speaker 12: just stay tuned because things are going to get better.

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Speaker 12: We're starting to see it more evident in the data.

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Speaker 12: People do not believe the GDP data will look great.

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Speaker 12: That's looking good. The employment numbers are turning. I think

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Speaker 12: in a few months we could talk and want more evidence. Say,

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Speaker 12: you know what, the administration's right, We're making a real

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Speaker 12: turn to the upside.

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Speaker 1: Joe, with about thirty seconds to go, Joelivorn, tax season

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Speaker 1: upon us almost Do you think that there will be

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Speaker 1: a great effect there people start getting refunds. Do you

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Speaker 1: guys expect to see a bounce post tax season.

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Speaker 12: Yes, I've seen various private sector estimates that show that

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Speaker 12: the effective refunds to be up for one hundred and

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Speaker 12: fifty almost two hundred billion. When you file your taxes.

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Speaker 12: Make sure, as we said Chris a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 12: Trump accounts dot gov Form forty five forty seven, please

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Speaker 12: sign up for that. But yes, we do expect that

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Speaker 12: the president's policies are going to help working class Americans

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Speaker 12: by lowering your tax right.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, we are fans of the work you and the

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Speaker 1: secretary are doing and you are welcome back here anytime.

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Speaker 6: Joelivorna, thank you so much. We appreciate you.

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Speaker 12: Thank you, Chris, thanks so much for having me quick

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Speaker 12: Greag more a minute.

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Speaker 1: Here we are live in the Relief Factor studios this morning.

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Speaker 1: together for you too. The CEO of Ford this week

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Speaker 1: posted their Ford posted their largest quarterly loss since two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. You want to guess why now? I

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Speaker 1: don't wish Ford ill. Ford will always have a soft

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Speaker 1: spot in my heart because Ford was the only big

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Speaker 1: automaker back in the cash for Clunkers era that did

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Speaker 1: not take a bailout. And I will always remember that

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Speaker 1: Ford said, no thanks, We're going to stay out of

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Speaker 1: that mess. So Ford not doing well, posted their largest

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Speaker 1: quarterly loss since two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 6: Want to guess why? Ed you already know.

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Speaker 2: What I do know? Yeah, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: They reported a fourth quarter net loss of eleven billion

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Speaker 1: dollars after previously disclosing large write downs on their plug

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Speaker 1: in cars. Folks, they're evs. The company is realigning in

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Speaker 1: response to lower than expected consumer demand and changing federal subsidies.

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Speaker 6: Oh so, in other words, the.

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Speaker 1: Electronic car, the plug in car, could not survive without

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Speaker 1: help from your tax dollars undergirding the business model. I

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Speaker 1: think the customer has spoken, said the CEO of for

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Speaker 1: Jim Farley. That's the punchline. The company lost five billion

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Speaker 1: dollars on evs just last year and projects twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: six will bring losses in the range of another four

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Speaker 1: to four and a half billion dollars, almost ten billion

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Speaker 1: dollars lost on the plug in car, and the Ford

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Speaker 1: CEO says, we get it.

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Speaker 6: You don't want to plug.

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Speaker 1: In your truck. Sorry, it's just the reality. People don't

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Speaker 1: want to plug in their truck. I haul a boat

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Speaker 1: every summer to the lake. I don't want to plug

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Speaker 1: in my truck. I'm not there yet. Maybe someday I'll

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Speaker 1: get there, but you're never going to convince me that

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Speaker 1: my combustion engine is not the better option than plugging

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Speaker 1: in my truck to haul my boat into the lake,

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Speaker 1: I'm you're my camper, or to haul heavy rocks or

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Speaker 1: pull a tree stump out of the yard, plug it

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Speaker 1: in your truck. You just it doesn't.

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Speaker 6: You can talk about speed all you want, zero.

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Speaker 1: Sixty and I don't care about speed. I need it

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Speaker 1: to work. That's the whole thing. Ram tough, ford, tough,

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Speaker 1: build tough, off road. Plugging it in let I don't

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Speaker 1: know I had. You know, there's just something about plugging

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Speaker 1: in a car that does not.

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Speaker 6: Speak power to me, like the combustion engine.

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Speaker 7: No, absolutely not, I agree. I mean I equate it

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Speaker 7: to this winter, the heating bills. There is no way

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Speaker 7: where I am that without fossil fuels, I wouldn't have

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Speaker 7: gotten through this winter. Like we had a really really

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Speaker 7: bad winter up to this point, I mean deadly cold,

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Speaker 7: there is.

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Speaker 1: And I'm actually yeah, no, and without coal, without uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: without listen to this. President Trump signed an executive order

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Speaker 1: yesterday wanting to surge coal Number fifty nine.

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Speaker 19: A moment, I will sign an executive order that directs

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Speaker 19: the Department of War to work directly with coal plants

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Speaker 19: on the new power purchasing agreements, ensuring that we have

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Speaker 19: more reliable power and stronger and more resilient grid power.

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Speaker 19: And we're going to be buying a lot of call

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Speaker 19: through the military now, and it's going to be less

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Speaker 19: expensive and actually much more effective than what we have

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Speaker 19: been using for many, many years. And again with the

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Speaker 19: environmental progress that's been made on CaAl, it's going to

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Speaker 19: be just as clean. As some of you may know. Today,

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Speaker 19: February eleventh is Thomas Edison's birthday. There could be no

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Speaker 19: better way to honor the legacy of the man who

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Speaker 19: lit the world?

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Speaker 1: Did you know that demand? Okay, yeah, amen, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: agree more. By the way, if you're going to buy

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Speaker 1: a plugin car, you're going to need.

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Speaker 6: A strong grid it. See you tomorrow.

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