1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and this is Josh Hammer Show. Wishing 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: all of my fellow Jews a happy passover. I am 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: off celebrating with my family with the show, of course 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: must go on, which all of our Christian friends as well. 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: A very early happy Easter. Is a very important time 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: of the year. We will have much to say about 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: this this week and in the weeks to common, but 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: for now, you're getting decided to welcome on my colleague 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: at the Dave Hornes Stream Center, Jamie Glazov, who was 10 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: the editor of front Page Magazine dot Com also the 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: author of his brand new book United in Hate The 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: Left Romance with Tyranny, Terror and Hamas, which I hold 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: in my hands. 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: We're getting excited to welcome. 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: And Jamie a little bit later for a long, lengthy 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: and hopefully highly engaging in substant of conversation about what 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: I believe to be a very important book that he 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: has written and is essentially a book which will be 19 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: the subject of today's opening monologue as well. It is 20 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: a book essentially about the long history of leftist violence, 21 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: and the thesis of this book, which is something that 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: I've been saying in my own capacity on this show 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: and elsewhere for many years now is that we speak 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: of leftist violence, we're actually being somewhat redundant, because to 25 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: be a leftist is to have. 26 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 2: A violent streak. 27 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: This causes at least as far back as the modern 28 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: quote unquote left right divide. And we're speaking here of 29 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: the late seventeen hundreds, the late eighteenth century, perhaps in particular. 30 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: What was happening in late eighteenth century, well, a lot 31 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: was happening. America was being born, that's for starters. But 32 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: over on the other side of the pond and the 33 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: old world, not in the new world, there was the horrific, 34 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: barbaric French Revolution happening in the streets of Paris and elsewhere. 35 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: In revolutionary France, you had rose Pierre and the Jacobins 36 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: who were killing people in the name of liberty, a 37 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: galite and fraternity, liberty, equality and brotherhood. And they were 38 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: It was ending in violence, the heads rolling in the 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: streets of Paris, storming of the bastial, the execution of 40 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: the monarch. It all was dripping in blood. And this 41 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: is around the same time that Edmund Burke, the godfather 42 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: of modern intellectial conservatism, was writing and speaking at great 43 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: length on what it meant to be a conservative right 44 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: across the pond over in England. 45 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: So a lot of this left. 46 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: Right divide goes back, goes back to the late eighteenth century, 47 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: and it's only in that context that you can understand 48 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: the rise of the modern left as we understand today. 49 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: But the modern left that really traced it back to 50 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: Carl Marx himself. The origins of modern leftism really are 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: not synonymous with, but placed a huge emphasis I would 52 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: argue on Karl Marx and his colleague Friedrich Engels and 53 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: all that they wrote in the mid nineteenth century. Communism 54 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: and the Communist Manifesto was just the French Revolution taken 55 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: to a whole other level. It was this notion of utopianism, 56 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: of trying to create heaven here on earth. The problem 57 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: with trying to create heaven here on earth, and with 58 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 1: trying to implement utopian schemes outside of the eternal, outside 59 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: of the gombia of the transcendental, trying to bring it here. 60 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: The problem, among other things, is that, as Joseph Stalin's 61 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: right hand man infamously said in the context of the 62 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 1: Holodomore of the Kremlin induced famine of Ukraine, in the 63 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: nineteen thirties, as he infamously said, you have to break 64 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: a few eggs to make an omelet. People must die. 65 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: And this is a sentiment that revolutionaries of all stripes 66 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: have held for a very, very long time. Look, Thomas 67 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: Jefferson did a heck of a lot of good, no 68 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: doubt about that, No doubt about that. He wrote the 69 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: Declaration of Independence, he was instrumental in the early years 70 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: of the Republic. As president, he oversaw the Louisiana Purchase, 71 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: probably his foremost bit of legacy. He defeated the Barbary 72 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: pirates in the first Barbary ward there. But Jefferson was 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: himself besotted with a lot of revolutionary fervor. And he 74 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: has this one line, to paraphrase it, not quote over 75 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: to paraphrase, he said that the tree of liberty must 76 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: be replenished every twenty years with the blood of tyrants. 77 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: One could easily look at this line and think that 78 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: he is also calling for some sort of violence or 79 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: something approximating violence. 80 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 3: There. 81 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: We're not going to get too hyperliteralists here when it 82 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: comes to interpreting Jefferson. The notion is, then when you 83 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: have revolution, when you have utopianism, there is, there's going 84 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: to be violence, and the modern left here in the 85 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 1: United States has this unfortunately in spades. How do I know, 86 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: because the poles bear it out. Because we see over 87 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: and over and over again that a shockingly high percentage 88 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: of folks who identify as being leftists or democrats or 89 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: progressives or whatever word. 90 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: They want to use. 91 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: There they not only have a high tolerance or threshold 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: for accepting political violence, they oftentimes are clamorous in their 93 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: support of it. They're going out of their way to 94 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: tell pollsters that they are wanted to happen. They support 95 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: political violence, or at least except that it is possible 96 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: political violence might be necessary to shout down someone with 97 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: an opposing viewpoint. This is the entire notion of the 98 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 1: postmodern leftist conception, this paradigm that words are violence, and 99 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: sometimes they argue actually the converse of that, at the 100 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: inverse that actually they sometimes say that violence is just words. 101 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:28,160 Speaker 4: Right. 102 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: This is what they said, asking the context of the 103 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: Hommos pagrama oto Verson twenty twenty three. They said that 104 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: the Hummas violence was actually just a people liberating themselves 105 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: or breaking through the shackles of apartheid, or whatever kind 106 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: of fanciful leftist prose they would use to describe such horrific, 107 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: monstrous acts as the butchering of babies and the murderer 108 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: of Holocaust survivors and the mass raping and pillaging. There 109 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: So violence are words words are violence, break a few 110 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: eggs to make an omelet. There it all kind of 111 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: comes home. It all kind of makes sense. And this 112 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: I suspect our guest today, Jimmy Glazov, will will argue 113 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: as he does arguing in his book ninety eight, is 114 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why this notion of a red 115 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: green alliance makes so much sense. Another theme that we 116 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: touch here on the show is the nature of this 117 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: red green alliance. It is the philosophical anchor of the 118 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: modern left, this alliance between the Marxists on the one 119 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: hand and the Islamists on the other hand. People who 120 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: want to abolish free market capitalism, abolish private property, free enterprise, 121 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: who want to implement a command control economy straight out 122 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 1: of nineteen fifties Moscow or nineteen seventies Havana for that matter. 123 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: The folks who want to just get rid of private property, 124 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: prior property, by the way, being one of the many 125 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: innovations of the Bible. Pirate property is all over the 126 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: Hebrew rible. I would argue, it's literally actually to abolish 127 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: prior property by force of the state is actually a violation, 128 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: I would argue of multiple of the Ten commandments, Thou 129 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: shalt not steal, thou shalt not covet. There's multiple commandments 130 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: implicated by such things. 131 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 2: So these the. 132 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: Greater contrasts that we're really setting up here is that 133 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: you have this grand civilizational clash. You have this grand 134 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: civilizational clash between those who seek to overthrow those who 135 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: are fanciful and idealistic and who reject the notion of 136 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: utopia up there, if they want to bring utopia down 137 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: here of those who believe that only they have the 138 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: best ideas and no one around them is worth engaging with, 139 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: or dialoguing with, or asking questions of trying to learn, 140 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: trying ultimately to arrive of the truth. Why would you 141 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: try to arrive the truth if you are convinced that 142 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: you alone and those who think like you are the truth. 143 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: If you have so siled yourself off in an ideological 144 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: echo chamber that there is no point in even conversing 145 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: with anyone who doesn't look, think, sound, or talk like you. 146 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: This is the case for so many on the left today, 147 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: and this really is the reason why this red Green 148 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: alliance that we are dealing with here in the United States, 149 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: encapsulated by Zoramemdani this is the United States, this is 150 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: in Western Europe, is really increasingly all throughout the Western world. 151 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: This is why this alliance is so dangerous because with 152 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: this level of conceit and arrogance and a refusal to 153 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: recognize that those who do not agree with them can 154 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: actually be talked to or reason with. If you accept 155 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: that your opponent is simply a Nazi, then bad things 156 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: are going to flow from the premise unless the opponent 157 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: actually is a Nazi. But generally speaking of that is 158 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: typically not the case. Sometimes it is the case. And 159 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: this actually is one of the reasons as well that 160 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: we focus on the show so much about all the 161 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: rot that is currently happening on the American right when 162 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: it comes to a lot of these reprobrates of the 163 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson's in the world and people like him there 164 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: who are trying to take the American rights in this 165 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: sort of direction and a hyper authority Tarrian, hyper racist, 166 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: anti Semitic, et cetera. 167 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: Direction. 168 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: It's wrong, it's terrible. And one of the reasons that 169 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: it is wrong and it is terrible is because, and 170 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: this is the reason of the top as much as 171 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: we do here on the show, because our actual enemy 172 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to the heart and soul not just 173 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: of America, but franky, the hard and soul of civilization 174 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: at large. Because we ultimately care about preserving civilization against 175 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: the force of barbarism. Our ultimate goal here is to 176 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: defeat the force of barbarism from within and without from beyond. 177 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: But the Red Green Alliance is the force of barbarism 178 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: here on the home front. The American left is an 179 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: existential threat to all that we hold dear in this country. 180 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: The left, more generally in the Western tradition, is an 181 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: existential threat to all that the Western tradition entails. 182 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: But here's the point, folks. 183 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: The point is that only a right, only a conservative 184 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: movement that knows what it is, that knows what it 185 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: stands for, It knows that it is downstream of thousands 186 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: of years of biblical inheritance, of biblical history, of values 187 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: and morals and ethics. Only a movement like this is 188 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: capable of actually standing up to these bullies, of actually 189 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: taking it to the Red Green Alliance. I've actually explained 190 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: to them why they are so catastrophically misguided, Because if 191 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: the right is going to fall for some of these 192 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: same nostrums and to be besotted by some of these 193 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: same dalliances and dreams of utopia, and perhaps even some 194 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: of these same god forbid fixations or flirtations with violence, 195 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: that's not going to end well for the right. And 196 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: if things don't end well for the right, it's not 197 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: going to end well for the country. Because the left 198 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: proved a very very very long time ago that they 199 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: are not here to save this country. They're here to 200 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: destroy it, much as they have done throughout the history 201 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: of the left, from the French Revolution onwards. Everywhere the 202 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: left rises, they destroy. The only relevant question right now 203 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: is can they be tamed? And in order to be tamed, 204 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: it must come not from their horseshoe mirror on the 205 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: quote unquote right, not from a quote unquote right that 206 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: shares an awful lot in common. Frankly, if you look 207 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: a little deeper with the left, the only way this 208 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: totalitarian subjugationists left can be confront and defeated it with 209 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: an intellectually vibrant right. So that's what we try to 210 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: do here on the show, folks, zooming out as we 211 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: do on a day and now basis. We're trying to 212 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: establish what the right is and why that right alone 213 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: can be in a position to defeat the left, the 214 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: Red Green Alliance and this horrific monstrosity, this Frankan sign 215 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: that we're up against, folks. 216 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: So really, really no em. 217 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: Better to bring on to discuss all this than my friend, 218 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: my colleague, Jamie Glassavi edit or Front Page Magazine, author 219 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: of this brand new book United and Hate, the Left, 220 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: Romance with Tyranny, Terror and hamas So and the others. 221 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: Have of a short commercial break, Jamie Glaza joins us 222 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: for a long conversation. 223 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 2: Folks, you don't want to miss this, stay with us, 224 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: Welcome back. 225 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: So, as previously mentioned, we have a great guest say 226 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: to join us to discuss all of what we are 227 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: discussing and more. And he is another than the one 228 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: only Jamie Glaslow So, Jimmy Glaisov is the editor of 229 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: a front Page magazine which is the online journal for 230 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: the David Horrores fream Center, where he is my colleague. 231 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: I am honored to be a Shilwan Fellow at the 232 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: David Horores Fream Center. Jamie's also the host of The 233 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: Glazov Gang, an online show that we highly encourage you 234 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: to check out. Most importantly for today's purposes, he is 235 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: the author of the brand new book United in Hate, 236 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: The Less Romance with Tyranny, Terror, and Hamas, which I 237 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: currently have in my hand right here. 238 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: Jamie, thank you for joining us, my friends. 239 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: We really do appreciate I've had a chance to spend 240 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: some time with this book. I always wish that I 241 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: had more time. That's kind of just the nature of 242 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: being an adult, I suppose there. And the themes that 243 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: you write here at length about are many of the 244 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: themes that we talk about on this showman, themes that 245 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: I've also been talking about. No surprise that you and 246 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: I are of like mind on a lot of these issues. 247 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: The book is essentially, I don't want to hit the 248 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: words of your mouth, but you look at various different 249 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: elements of how the left is obsessed with violence, with violence, 250 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: with tyranny, with subjugation, with really all that is the 251 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: antithesis of modern Western and certainly American conceptions of freedom. 252 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: We're talking here about communism, Islamism, Marxism, all these various 253 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: forms of jack boots and tyranny. And I want you 254 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: just to kind of set the scene for us before 255 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: we proceed further in conversation here, kind of explain that 256 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 1: thesis at greater length, if you will. 257 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much, Josh, What an honor to 258 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 4: be here. Well, Josh, this is the issue I think 259 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 4: of history. I think it begins with, uh, you know, 260 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 4: on some levels, Caine's murder of Able, the pretension to 261 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 4: equality and the violence that comes with it. I think 262 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 4: to set the stage, I just want to say that 263 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 4: my parents were dissidents in the Soviet Union. We escaped 264 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 4: when I was a little kid, and the leftist idea 265 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 4: had built quite an atrocity over there. As Reagan summarized 266 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 4: Gulag Archipelago, and one sentence or in a few words, 267 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: he called it the evil Empire, the Soviet Union. Growing 268 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 4: up in America and in Canada, I began to notice 269 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: a certain species of people that were called leftists from 270 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 4: a young age, and they were telling my parents and 271 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 4: me and our family that we came from a great 272 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 4: place and where we were. The United States was a 273 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: horrible place, and I hated these people. I don't think 274 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 4: I need to go into detail of what the Gulag 275 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 4: was and is, but I began to study them and 276 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 4: how they think. And in my book United in Hate, 277 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 4: I show the romance with communism and what we see 278 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 4: right now in terms of October seventh, in terms of Iran, 279 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 4: the way that the left cheers this on the way 280 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 4: that it cheers on our enemies, whether these are Jihadis 281 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 4: or communists, and they live through this violence. And I 282 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 4: would set the stage by saying this that in United 283 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 4: and Hate, I document the euphoria and ecstasy that leftists 284 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 4: had on nine to eleven. And I remember they were 285 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 4: so depressed after the fall of the Soviet Union, walking 286 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 4: around aimlessly. They kind of had the air taken out 287 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 4: of them, and then all of a sudden they saw 288 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 4: ground zero and they were inspired again. And I mean, 289 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 4: this is a sick group of people. And it's hard 290 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: to know sometimes where to begin, because when you dig 291 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 4: deep and take the layers off and more layers off, 292 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 4: you begin to see a very dark and frightening death 293 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 4: wish there. It's suicide by cop Josh, if we think 294 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 4: about suicide by cop, just that one guy that goes 295 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 4: out and wants the cops to shoot him. Imagine if 296 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 4: that was a whole national movement, a whole global movement. 297 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 4: But they don't just want to take themselves out. They 298 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 4: want to take the whole world down with it. And 299 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 4: why do they want to do that? Well, just to 300 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 4: begin the discussion, I would say this, As believers, I'm 301 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 4: a Christian, my Jewish brothers and sisters, we share something 302 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: that perfection comes from up there. We are saying mayakoupa. 303 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 4: We repent for our sins and we hope that God 304 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 4: forgives us, and we want to get to heaven. And 305 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 4: those themes. The leftist believes that he is the savior. 306 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 4: Leftists are self appointed redeemers. They will save the earth, 307 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 4: they will create a perfect planet. But in order to 308 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 4: do that, Josh, as you well know, there needs to 309 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 4: be ground zero because they need to destroy the old 310 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 4: Earth and build their new utopia on the ashes. Every 311 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 4: attempt to build this utopia in history, as we know, 312 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 4: leads to hell. But guess who helps them along the way. 313 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 4: If the leftist wants to destroy his host's society, If 314 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: the leftist wants to destroy this white supremacist, this patriarchal colonialist, 315 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 4: you know all this stuff, the homophobic, islamophobic, of the exploitation, 316 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 4: and you know this whole thing that they think about 317 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 4: the West. If they want to destroy it and build 318 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 4: their utopia. Guess what might help them. The adversaries that 319 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 4: the tullitarian adversaries that also want to destroy America, that 320 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 4: also want to destroy the earth and build a utopia 321 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 4: Sharia building their Sharia utopia, the left building its classless utopia. 322 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 4: They are united in not love, but hate. And so 323 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 4: I'll begin in the weight. Some of it is the 324 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 4: enemy of my enemy is my friend. But they actually 325 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 4: share a lot. From first sight, it seems like they 326 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 4: don't share much. But the closer you look, they hate 327 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 4: the individual, they hate the Judeo Christian tradition, they hate freedom, 328 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 4: and they got a lot in common. So when they 329 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: cried that Stalin died, as I document in my book, 330 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 4: when they cried that bin Ladin died, When they're crying 331 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 4: when Trump then BB take out these mulahs and these 332 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 4: tortures of the Iranian people, it totally makes sense. 333 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: And the way you frame it in terms of the 334 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: different conceptions of utopia, whether utopia only happens in the 335 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: eternal and transcendental on the one hand, which is the 336 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: belief of the Bible of Jews and Christians a lot, 337 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: or on the other hand, this notion that utopia can 338 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: constructed here in this realm, in this mortal coil. You're 339 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,880 Speaker 1: touching on something very profound, and to me this really 340 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: kind of is the very core of what distinguishes what 341 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: we might call folks on the right from those on 342 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: the left. And Jamie for our raino time here in 343 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: this eventfore, just go quick, Mucier, bring and bring you 344 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: back on for much more. I want to just explore 345 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: this question as to this notion as the left as 346 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: your defining and as being essentially inextricable from violence, which 347 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: is really kind of broadly my view as well. I 348 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: personally start that narrative with the French Revolution and Robespier 349 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: and the reign of terror the guillotine. To me, that's 350 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: kind of the modern that's around that time in history. 351 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: You have the French Revolution of Edmund Burke running across 352 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: the English Channel over in the UK. To me, that's 353 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of the origins of our modern left right divide. 354 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm curious though, if you would go back even further. 355 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 1: You mentioned canaan Abel here, So leftism as you're defining 356 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: it here, does it go back even further than the 357 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: French Revolution? Is go back to biblical times? 358 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 4: Well? Absolutely, And we share a lot in common as 359 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 4: Christians and Jews in terms of how we see the 360 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 4: spiritual battle. We differ slightly on our concept of Satan, 361 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: et cetera. But as a Christian I see this going 362 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 4: all the way back to Satan's fall. And this is 363 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 4: a spiritual war because as believers, for instance, as Christians, 364 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 4: we believe that Jesus's blood redeems the earth. Our Jewish 365 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 4: brothers and sisters also very much believe in a kind 366 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 4: of I mean, you would be more of an expert 367 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 4: than me on this, but they're suffering involved on this earth, 368 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 4: and there's a certain redemption obviously that comes from above. 369 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 4: This is a spiritual battle. There's a reason why Mao 370 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 4: wrote how important it is to kill millions of people, 371 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 4: because the leftist believes that it's human blood that redeems 372 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 4: the earth. The redemption doesn't come from above. It's a 373 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 4: spiritual war. They are God's and they believe that they 374 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 4: must dis infect and sterilize the earth by killing human beings. 375 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: And it makes total sense when the Jihadis blows himself 376 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 4: up and we see a real suicidal movement on the 377 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 4: left in many respects. So absolutely, Josh, I see this 378 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 4: as a spiritual war that goes all the way back, 379 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 4: and Cain's murder of Able on many realms can be 380 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 4: seen as the first communist revolution. It's the it's the 381 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 4: first pretension. It's the pretension to equality, and and where 382 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 4: does that lead? Murder? 383 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,479 Speaker 1: Profound stuff, very pro I I honestly had never had 384 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 1: that thought of my entire life before, so I'm glad. 385 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 2: You introduced it to me. Cane Abel. 386 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: Next the next time, Jennie, that we got we go 387 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: through our annual reading of the Torah, beginning in Genesis. 388 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: I guess I'll be around this October, so I am 389 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: going to reread it very much with that thought of mine. 390 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: Jammie Glaizov is the editor of Front Page Magazine, where 391 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: he is my colleague of the David horse Froom centers 392 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: all of the all through the brand new book which 393 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: we've been discussing here United and Hate the Left romance 394 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: with tyranny, terror and hamas. So, Jamie, I want to 395 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: explore this concept of the Red Green alliance, which is 396 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: this phrase that has now often used. It's very much 397 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: in your book as well, and refers to this, to 398 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: this alliance between Marxist and Islamists. Really, Zoramdani in New 399 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: York City is kind of the singular encapsulation of this phenomenon. 400 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: He's the one guy who perfectly embodies this. You might 401 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: say Obama before him. That's a little tongue in cheek, 402 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: of course, but really Mamdannie is kind of guy who 403 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: kind of personifies this deeply unholy alliance between the Reds 404 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: and the Greens, the Marxists and the Islmus. Now, I 405 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: have usually thought of this as simply being a tactical 406 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: alliance of convenience, where you have the Marxian Islmus that 407 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: don't necessarily share a whole lot in common. There are 408 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: utopians of various stripes, that's true, But thinking about some 409 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: of the particulars there, I mean, I think back to 410 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: when Linda Sarsour was the leader of the Women's March 411 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: many years ago there, and she was she's a Sharia 412 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: law apologist, and I felt like saying to her, you 413 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: know what is Sharia laws say about women? The leader 414 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: of the women's marks there. So I've always saw this 415 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: as kind of being a bizarre lines of convenience where 416 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: they just have a shared enemy, that shared enemy being 417 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: us Jews in Christians, biblical civilization, the West America. But 418 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 1: I think you're making a slightly at least a slightly 419 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: different point, which is that sure the marxis Is is 420 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: not the same thing there, but they actually have a 421 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: lot more in common than maybe people like me have thought, 422 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: which is this overarching lust and zeal for violence and 423 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: subjugation and utopianism gone awry. Can you perhaps e librate 424 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: on that a little bit? 425 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 4: Absolutely? Josh, Well, look, sometimes there's a method to my 426 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 4: madness out just we're building a puzzle and sometimes we 427 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 4: just take little pieces out and put them in. So 428 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 4: sometimes it might seem right like it's random, but it's 429 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 4: very connected. So I'll start with this piece of the 430 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 4: puzzle right here, that the leftist believes that humans can 431 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 4: be shaped like clay is. Christians and Jews, we believe 432 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 4: in many respects that we are fallen and we are 433 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 4: not perfect, and we need to and we need to 434 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 4: say sorry for our sins. The leftist has a very 435 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 4: different mindset, and they, as I said, want to make 436 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 4: themselves gods, and they believe that they're gods and they 437 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 4: get to choose who is damned and who is saved. 438 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 4: So we know what they want to do with us 439 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 4: if they had total power, for instance, just the period 440 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 4: that we came out of those of us that didn't 441 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 4: want to do certain things during the pandemic, right, we 442 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 4: know very much. We know very well what they wanted 443 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 4: to do with the people that didn't want to follow 444 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 4: certain rules. So there's a totalitarian mindset. But they believe 445 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 4: that they can shape man like clay, like mold. They 446 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 4: don't believe that there's a human nature. They can just 447 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 4: shape him like this the new Soviet Man. And then 448 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 4: they can't and they have a very difficult time with 449 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 4: shaping him, and they begin to hate humans for who 450 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 4: and what they are. There's a deep hatred for the 451 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 4: human being. And if you hate human beings, what starts 452 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 4: happening when you look in the mirror. And you know, 453 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 4: I've studied this since I was a kid. Is it 454 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 4: a coincidence that as I document in United and hate 455 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 4: you know, Paul Hollander wrote Political Pilgrims, a book that 456 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 4: influenced me very much. These fellow travelers that traveled to 457 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 4: the Soviet Union too, to Mao's death camps, and when 458 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 4: they traveled to Castro's Cuba, and a lot of them 459 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 4: lost their lives there, they went almost to sacrifice themselves. 460 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 4: They go there to worship at the altar of these 461 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 4: killing fields. A lot of leftist feminists, as I document, 462 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 4: and united and hate, as I write in my further writings, 463 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 4: they actually traveled to the Palestinian territories to you know, 464 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 4: give their cause to Hamas and to the Jihad there, 465 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 4: and a lot of them are raped and abused and 466 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 4: tortured and brutalized, and a lot of them keep quiet 467 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 4: about it because they don't want to, you know, delegitimize 468 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 4: or hurt the cause. But there's a certain self hatred here, 469 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 4: and one when one begins to see this self hatred, 470 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 4: it all begins to make sense. Why would you when 471 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 4: we see all these you had followers and Sharia believers 472 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 4: in New York screaming a la chroa bar You have 473 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 4: to ask yourself, why would we have brought this element 474 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 4: to the United states, what are they doing here? But 475 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 4: once you begin to understand the leftist mindset, it all 476 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 4: becomes clear. You know, Kenneth Levin wrote a fascinating book, 477 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 4: The Oslo Syndrome. You know, this is another layer of 478 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 4: the left as well that I want to mention here. 479 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 4: And he talks about what people do under siege, the 480 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 4: illusions and delusions that they create. And we know that 481 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 4: during Oslo and Kenneth documents this, no matter what evidence 482 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 4: there was to show them that this enemy wants to 483 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 4: kill you, they believed somewhere that if we just give 484 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 4: a couple extra hugs, if we just give a little 485 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 4: bit more money, if we just give a little bit 486 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 4: more land, everything will be okay. There's a certain illusion 487 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 4: and delusion on the left as well with our enemy 488 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 4: that the leftist wants control of the situation and believes 489 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 4: that everything might be okay in the long run, and 490 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 4: is in complete denial. Just very quickly, what I'm very 491 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 4: interested in the women dressed all in black and black 492 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 4: garbage bags in Pakistan and that have their whips and 493 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 4: they're whipping the women that aren't dressed properly. And you 494 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 4: got to ask yourself, who are these women that are 495 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 4: enforcing this. These are the people who are ingratiating themselves 496 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 4: with the potential executioner. They're trying to out radicalize the 497 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 4: master who might kill them. And on some levels, this 498 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 4: is what the left is doing in terms of our 499 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 4: Islamic enemy. And then on another level, David Potters, historian, 500 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 4: has written about something called negative identification, when you live 501 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 4: vicariously through violence, when you actually hate the people. And 502 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 4: so my argument is what they share, and sorry if 503 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 4: it was a bit convoluted, but the left actually shares 504 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 4: these values. So when they see the brutalization of human 505 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 4: beings and women and minorities under Islam or under communism, 506 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 4: they're living through this vicariously because they're so violent and 507 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 4: they want to inflict violence that deep down they actually 508 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 4: support what's happening and they're living vicariously through it. And 509 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 4: I get so tired of hearing all of this in 510 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 4: our media all the time. 511 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 3: Why are they doing this? Why does the left support this? 512 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense why the leftist feminist would 513 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 3: or the feminist would support what's happening in there. Why 514 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 3: aren't they saying anything, Well, just invite me and I'll 515 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 3: explain it to you. And if you don't want to 516 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: talk to me, talk to Gad said, talk to Annie Syers, 517 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 3: talk to Josh Hammer. But as you know, Josh, there's 518 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 3: a great denial in our culture to face these truths. 519 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: There's a massive denial, and we're trying again, folks to 520 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: Jimmy Glazov, editor of Front Page magazine. You can follow 521 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: him on ex and Jimmy glazov is brand new book 522 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: which we're discussing is right here, United and Hate, the 523 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: Left's romance with tyranny, terror and Thomas be able to 524 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: ever where books and purchase Jamie just about a minute 525 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: and a half before we go to break. We'll have 526 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: to continue this conversation very much on the other side. 527 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: But I was struck by the by the page and 528 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: a half two page the short conclusion of your book 529 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: where you talk about the day that Jimmy Carter passed 530 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: away and about the left's their inability to talk about 531 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: some of the less reputable, shall we say, part to 532 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter's legacy. I actually think back to that day itself. 533 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: She went on the morning Fox business program Mornings with Maria. 534 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: There was a fill in host that day, Cheryl Cassoni, 535 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: and we actually got into a little bit there because 536 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: she was actually doing a little bit of this hay 537 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: geography on Jimmy Carter as well, and I was not. 538 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: I was not playing ball, and she got very upset 539 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: with me. I actually have not been invited back on 540 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: that show since then. I'd go on other Fox shows, 541 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: but I guess not that one. So this even reached Newscorps, 542 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: even reached Fox, which I was a little surprised at. 543 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: There. 544 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: It's not just Jimmy Carter though, Jamie. The media seems 545 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: to have this inability to talk about the real brutal 546 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: legacy of a lot of these leftism in general. Just 547 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: about a minute left here before we go to break there, 548 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: So begin here and then we'll pick up on the 549 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: other side. 550 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 4: Well, one very serious component there, you see, Josh, the 551 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 4: left wants to destroy this society. Okay, they hate Western civilization. 552 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 4: If you say to them, well, look at the acid 553 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 4: that these mulas are throwing in the Iranian women's face. 554 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 4: This is horrible, and it's rooted in their texts in 555 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 4: terms of punishing women who aren't covered properly. If the 556 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 4: leftist says, oh, that's very bad. If the leftist admits that, 557 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 4: then guess what the next step is. Then he might 558 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 4: have to admit that the Judeo Christian tradition is better, 559 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 4: that our civilization is superior. And guess what the next 560 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 4: step is. If you admit that our civilization is superior 561 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 4: and this over here is evil, then our society must 562 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 4: be worth protecting and saving. 563 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: They can't take. 564 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 4: They can't because they have to destroy this society. So 565 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 4: that has to be pushed away and denied. It's why 566 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 4: Nom Chomsky denied the refugee testimonies of people escaping from 567 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 4: Cambodia's killing fields under camar rouge. You have to deny 568 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 4: what the enemy is doing because it will disqualify your agenda. 569 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: Jimmy Klazav joins us to continue our conversation on his 570 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: brand new book, which I hold in my hand here 571 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: United in Hate, The Left Romance with Tyranny tarn Hamas 572 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: can follow Jamie on x at Jimmy Glazav checkout front 573 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: page mag dot com, where he is editor, where I 574 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: am a frequent contributor as a schiwnfellow the David Horwitz 575 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: Scream Center. So Jamie, let's begin to bring this conversation home, 576 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: if we will you spend some time talking about the 577 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,560 Speaker 1: the on campus protests. Protest is kind of a generous word, 578 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: to be honest with you. The on campus mini jihadi activism, 579 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, there on American campuses 580 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: after October seventh, this lost and phestisation for violence is 581 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: now happening openly on IVY campuses. It's now happening all 582 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: too openly in American political life, in public life. You 583 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: have the CEO of United Healthcare just over a year ago, 584 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 1: who was gunned down in Midtown Manhattan by a man 585 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: named Luigi Mangioni, and the name Luigi started to be 586 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: a more frequent baby name for far Levet. They were 587 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: naming their after this fanatical left wing socialist assassin. You 588 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: have the assassination of my late friend Charlie Kirk last September, 589 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: perhaps the most high profile example. 590 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 2: The polling on this is deeply disturbing. 591 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: The percentage of leftists on university campuses who think the 592 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: political violence is appropriate or acceptable when it comes to 593 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: trying to silence speech or d platform is shockingly high. 594 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: It's at arbit I believe last year I saw I 595 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: was in the thirty percent something like thirty thirty five 596 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: percent range there. So this this lust for violence is 597 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: not just an academic concept. It is very much happening 598 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: in real life. And as a man who just wrote 599 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: a book about it, I guess my question for you is, 600 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 1: what on earth do we do about it? 601 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 4: Great question, But first, as you're talking about, let's just 602 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 4: crystallize exactly just what's happening there. You know, there's a 603 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 4: reason why they called the Cambodian poll pot killing fields 604 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 4: starter's killings, because the blueprint happened in Paris in terms 605 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,680 Speaker 4: of what the French intellectuals were devising there. So there's 606 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 4: a great pining for violence here. I'd like to say 607 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 4: this that the Left has done a brilliant job in 608 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 4: brainwashing people, and especially this younger generation, and in terms 609 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,479 Speaker 4: of she had, they've done a brilliant job. What they've 610 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 4: done is they've conflated Muslims with Islam in the sense 611 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 4: of the discussion. So if people like us try to 612 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 4: say this teaching is dangerous, this teaching says vast They 613 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 4: say you hate all Muslims, but it's completely not true, Josh, 614 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 4: we don't hate all Muslim people. There's lots of people 615 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 4: that don't follow the tenets of their ideologies and religions. 616 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 4: We're talking about Islam. They've also racialized Islam and they've 617 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 4: taught people in the West that being called a racist 618 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 4: is the greatest, awful, most thing that can be done 619 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 4: in the world. And of course we're all against racism, 620 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 4: but people have been so indoctrinated in terms of the 621 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 4: fear that they're scared to say anything about Islam because 622 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 4: if they say something about Islam, that means they're they're 623 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 4: for white supremacism in the Western you know, patriarchy, et cetera. 624 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 4: So they can't go against Islam because of this, These 625 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 4: kids on campus are so into their image and they 626 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 4: want to virtue signal. They're terrified to oppose Islam and 627 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 4: our jihadist enemy and to point to what's wrong there. 628 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 4: And so one of the things we have to do 629 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 4: is the battle for education, the battle for minds. And 630 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,120 Speaker 4: you know, David Horowitz, God bless his soul, you know, 631 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 4: he very much stressed that conservatives don't know how to 632 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 4: fight properly. We have to fight this culture war. We 633 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 4: have to fight the left's propaganda on these issues because 634 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 4: they're very effective in how they've molded the boundaries of discourse, 635 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 4: because a lot of the left just that, I'll argue 636 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 4: with I see that you can't break through because it's 637 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 4: not about the issues we're discussing. The left is a 638 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 4: social life and if they end up agreeing with me, 639 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 4: then they're going to be called a white supremacist and 640 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,400 Speaker 4: left and racist, and then they're going to lose all 641 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 4: their friends. And so this is a very crazy social 642 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 4: movement where there's been a lot of indoctrination. So one 643 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 4: thing we have to do is to escalate our battle 644 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 4: for ideas. 645 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: It's a very important notion for sure. And then you 646 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: and I've been talking about, I think, in our capacities 647 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: for a very long time. I'm curious, Jami, if you 648 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: could elaborate. Also, you mentioned David Horowitz who spoke about 649 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: this how conservatives oftentimes are going to a fight with 650 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: one hand tied behind their back. They're bringing a knife 651 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: to a gunfight. All you know, use whatever analogy you 652 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: would like there. But you know, these days of Oxford 653 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,879 Speaker 1: style debates seem to be over. And I'm not I'm 654 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: obviously not saying that you respond to to the left 655 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: actual violence that's obviously, I'm gonna be very clear, that's 656 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: certainly by no means whatsoever what I'm right, what I 657 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: am suggesting there, But what specifically when it comes to 658 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: we on the right side, both to molocally and I 659 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 1: guess substantively of these issues, what ought we to be 660 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: doing when it comes to tactics and or substance to 661 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: better put these these ideas and these world views back 662 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: to the ashub of history where they so clearly belong. 663 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 4: Well, one thing we would just need to start with 664 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 4: is stop thinking. Okay, obviously this goes without saying. It's 665 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 4: so sad that we even have to say this because 666 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 4: of the lefts propaganda war. We're not advocating violence, We're 667 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 4: talking about the battle for ideas. Of course, we have 668 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 4: to stop being nice. This is one of the problems 669 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,479 Speaker 4: that David Horowitz experienced. A lot of conservatives shied away 670 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 4: from that. They don't like culture war, they don't want 671 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 4: to fight, They just want to be nice. You know, 672 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,600 Speaker 4: the met Romney's and that debate with Obama he had 673 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,920 Speaker 4: way back then when he was just trying to be 674 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 4: a nice guy. And that's how we lose. And you know, 675 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,240 Speaker 4: one thing that you know has always bothered me around 676 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,959 Speaker 4: many conservatives. You know, they're having their barbecue and they're 677 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 4: saying that, you know, I'll shoot that she had us 678 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 4: when he shows up on my front doorstep, I'll just 679 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 4: shoot him. My question is, why does he have to 680 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 4: even be here. Let's forget about shooting that she had 681 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 4: us when he comes to your front doorstep. Why don't 682 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 4: you get involved in the political and cultural war so 683 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 4: that that she had is doesn't have to be here 684 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 4: in the first place. 685 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 3: There has to. 686 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 4: Be an engagement for ideas. This is why Trump is 687 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 4: so great because he's not afraid of them. And a 688 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 4: lot of people who criticize Trump, they don't like his manner, 689 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 4: He's rude, et cetera. This is exactly what we have 690 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 4: to do. Stop playing nice the leftists. They hate being ridiculed, 691 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 4: they hate being called out, they hate being called names. 692 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 4: And I'm not saying act nasty and stupid, but what 693 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 4: I'm saying is we have to play ball the way 694 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 4: that they played ball, and if they support murder and 695 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 4: if they're murders. Instead of us being met Romney's during 696 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 4: that debate, somebody should have said to Obama, where were 697 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 4: you during Ben Ghazi, and during those hours where Americans 698 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 4: were being killed, you have blood on your hands in 699 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 4: terms of what happened to those Americans. And so we 700 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 4: have to also start becoming more aggressive and truthful about 701 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 4: who the left is instead of always being nice like 702 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,760 Speaker 4: Mitt Romney and losing all the time. 703 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: And that's very well said. It's actually a very nice fallout. 704 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: Two will probably be, unfortunately for time reasons. Our last 705 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,360 Speaker 1: question of this great conversation that they've been having with 706 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: Jamie glassavvied Or from Page magazine, author of You United 707 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: and Hate, the Left Romance with Tyranny Ti and Hamas. 708 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: So Jamie, just about a minute or so left here, 709 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: But before I let you go, I kind of have 710 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,759 Speaker 1: to ask, based on what you said, we're talking here. 711 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 2: About what the right should look like. 712 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: So if the left is united in hate, then what 713 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: are what are we united in? It would be kind 714 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: of kitchy to say we're united in love. That sounds 715 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:18,839 Speaker 1: a little too Woodstock nineteen sixty nine, a little too 716 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: summer of love. So what are what are we united in? 717 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 2: Well? 718 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 4: Absolutely, but there is a love there in the sense 719 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 4: that you know, the Jewish people and the Christian people. 720 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 4: We have to start sticking together against our Islamist leftists, 721 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 4: leftist enemies. But I think about what unites us, and 722 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:45,839 Speaker 4: I think about let us make man in our own image. 723 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 4: And we know, and you've written brilliantly about this, that 724 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 4: God created us in his image. And God is the 725 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 4: ultimate free agent, and he wants us to be free 726 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 4: as well. And there's a certain sovereignty and magical beauty 727 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 4: to the individual and his freedom. And we are united 728 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,240 Speaker 4: in the love of the individual, and how God wants 729 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 4: a relationship with every single one of us and also 730 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 4: gives us our freedom, the individual and our freedom and 731 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 4: the worthiness of every single individual. And our enemies hate 732 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 4: that because in our enemy camp, the individual serves the state. 733 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 4: And this is exactly why the Israelis, for instance, go 734 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,279 Speaker 4: door to door looking for jiadis and sacrifice so many 735 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 4: of their boys and girls, because they also value the 736 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 4: lives of their enemies. 737 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: But the enemy mating God's image. The most important sentence 738 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,479 Speaker 1: ever written, that's our stances during the josh amasher folks, 739 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: one final time, We're at to unfortunate. Jamie glaizovs the 740 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,520 Speaker 1: editor Front Page Magazine. Follow him on X and Jimmy 741 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: Glasov brand new book, United in Hate, the Left Romance 742 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: with Tyranny tarring hermus Jamie. What a pleasure has been. 743 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 1: Have a great rest today, my friend, and we'll see 744 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:09,720 Speaker 1: you again soon, I hope. 745 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 4: I'm so grateful to be on your show, Josh, and 746 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 4: thank you for everything that you do, and God bless us. 747 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,399 Speaker 1: God bless you to folks. Have a great rest for evening. 748 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with Mark tomorrow.