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Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Aaron Mullins Show. So great to have

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Speaker 2: your company. Thank you so much for tuning in. When

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Speaker 2: fifteen people were gunned down like animals at Bondai Beach,

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Speaker 2: Australia late last year, I said, this is the wake

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Speaker 2: up call I wish our country hadn't needed.

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Speaker 1: I was wrong. It wasn't a wake up call. Things

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Speaker 1: are worse.

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Speaker 2: This episode will deep dive into why and what other

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Speaker 2: Western nations can learn and maybe have learned from what

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Speaker 2: we are going through here in Australia.

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Speaker 2: of the slaughter of fifteen innocent people by two men,

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Speaker 2: a father son combination inspired by isis in cold blood

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Speaker 2: murdered a child amongst them people's sons, people's daughters, people's parents.

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Speaker 1: Shot.

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Speaker 2: It was horrific. It was utterly terrifying. Was it surprising though? No.

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Speaker 2: The aftermath, though, I've got to admit my standards were

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Speaker 2: so years, given the way that we acted post October seventh,

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Speaker 2: given the way that much of the world reacted whilst Israeli.

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Speaker 1: Jewish lives were still being taken.

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Speaker 2: We had people celebrating, But I still had faith that

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Speaker 2: is what they're talking about. This is why they're raising

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Speaker 2: the alarms about Islamic extremism, this is why jew hate

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Speaker 2: cannot be allowed to fester.

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Speaker 1: But I was wrong.

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Speaker 2: My country has gotten worse. And that was before. That

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Speaker 2: was before the protests and the chaos that erupted overnight

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Speaker 2: in retaliation against the visit from the Israeli President Isaac Kurtzog.

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Speaker 1: That was before we saw these images.

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Speaker 2: But my lord, that has just completely reiterated the point.

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Speaker 2: My guest on today is Marni Perlstein, who has been

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Speaker 2: fighting anti semitism in Australia before October seven, but obviously

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Speaker 2: saw insane spikes post that massacre and has been one

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Speaker 2: of the faces here fighting day in day out. Let's

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, the Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albinezi, to come

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Speaker 2: as a show of respect and to provide comfort to

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Speaker 2: that has already been so traumatized. Of course, we knew

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Speaker 2: with Iran. But no, that hasn't really appealed to them enough.

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Speaker 2: So they had to wait for something Israel related. Because

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Speaker 2: the slaughter of tens and thousands of innocent people on

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Speaker 2: They had to wait for Israel, and so they did,

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Speaker 2: show them support. Even if you were politically at Loggerheads,

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Speaker 2: the chance our former Australian of the Year, Grace Tame

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I've had so many guests on who have shared first

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Speaker 2: hand accounts of what globalizing into FATA means. Whose daughters,

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Speaker 2: sexual assault, phenomenal, incredible cause, so important. What happened to

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Speaker 2: her is abhorrent. Let's make that very very clear.

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Speaker 1: But that does not give you the right to turn

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Speaker 2: Give you the right to suddenly be chanting a slogan

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Speaker 2: that is the sole chant to inter fathera to war,

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Speaker 2: to terror, to death, to destruction on our streets. In Australia,

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Speaker 2: it's banned, by the way, and that's a big deal

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Speaker 1: Ourselves when it comes to this issue in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Grace, you know that women on October seven

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Speaker 2: taken out? That the very same people who come when

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Speaker 2: you chant globalize the into FATA who use that as

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Speaker 2: a call to arms. Are the same people who sexually

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Speaker 2: assaulted women on October seven and children? Oh and they

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Speaker 2: were the lucky ones, by the way, because the rest

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Speaker 2: Were the ones that were just murdered without sexual assault?

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Speaker 2: Were they the lucky ones?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. You tell me they're the ones you

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Speaker 2: And then we have the President go to address a

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Speaker 3: I'm Istrael hai, and no one will deter us. This

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Speaker 3: life gone down by cruelty, the hatred, the trigger that

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Speaker 3: the shooting at Bondai is the.

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Speaker 1: Very same age old plague of.

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Speaker 3: Anti Semitism endured by our parents and grandparents began long

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Speaker 3: before October seventh, generations before the state of Israel was born.

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Speaker 3: Yet somehow the October seventh massacre, the greatest mass murder

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Speaker 1: Here in the.

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Speaker 3: Country that welcomed thousands and thousands of survivors of the Holocaust,

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Speaker 3: This is why, dear friends, we are here.

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Speaker 1: We had to be here with.

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Speaker 3: You, had you strengthened you. As we say in Hebrew,

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Speaker 3: he's coving tu isael kai, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: And at the end of the speech, they have to

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Speaker 2: stay inside because please say, it's not safe for them

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Speaker 2: be assured of their safety because of people like this.

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Speaker 2: Look at this, Look at this as a juxtaposition, Look

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Speaker 3: What the fuck.

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Speaker 1: You tell me, who is on the side of good

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Speaker 2: And again, it's not about those people on the street

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Speaker 2: last night in this country who cares? They will exist

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Speaker 1: Terrorists will always exist.

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Speaker 2: But it's what this country does in response that matters.

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Speaker 2: It's what you you do today that matters. Do you

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Speaker 1: Is that okay? In your books?

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Speaker 2: Is that what you want the streets of Sydney to

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Speaker 1: Jacks, or they work in public transport? Are they a

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Speaker 2: Environment that you want your kids to exist in? Or

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Speaker 2: we all just going to avoid because our country is

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Speaker 1: You tell me this is what matters, not what they did.

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Speaker 2: We don't expect any better from them, but what you

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Speaker 1: But what you do today matters.

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Speaker 2: Is it reaching out to someone, Is it talking to

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Speaker 2: saying that wasn't okay one on one to someone else

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Speaker 2: that wasn't okay. I didn't like that. That's enough, But

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Speaker 2: that's what will make the difference. That is what will

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Speaker 2: stop the rot in this country. People like you saying

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Speaker 2: that wasn't okay last night, That's not what my country

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Speaker 2: the next few days of this trip, no doubt more.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I read this morning, off the back of

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Speaker 2: this time this time against police brutality. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: would be funny if it wasn't so serious, you would say,

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Speaker 1: All this chaos.

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Speaker 2: You're putting our law enforcement, brave men and women in

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Speaker 1: Sorry, what.

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Speaker 2: I like to try and stay positive and optimistic in

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Speaker 2: these moments, finding it increasingly difficult, increasingly difficult. So let's

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Speaker 2: not talk to many Pearlstein about this country post BONDI

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Speaker 2: and I know most of my audience now is in America.

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Speaker 1: This is so relevant. You look at the UK, that's

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Speaker 1: a head of where we are.

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Speaker 2: You look at us, I think we might be more

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Speaker 2: more towards the side of destruction than you are there.

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Speaker 2: At least you've got strong leadership. It doesn't tolerate the

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Speaker 2: woke crap. But we're not far You're not far behind,

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Speaker 2: and we're not far behind the UK. And this is

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Speaker 2: all lessons learned. And unless we as a nation are

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Speaker 2: willing to wake up, where do we end up?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Had guests say that we're not too far away from

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Speaker 2: where Iran was prior to the Islamic greg game taking over,

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Speaker 2: and you're going to scoff and say, oh, you're being

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Speaker 2: so dramatic, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they thought that too, They thought that too.

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Speaker 2: Welcome my guest, Marney Pelstein, Marney Pearlstine. It is so

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Speaker 2: wonderful to have you on the Aaron Mullin Show. Thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining me. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: This is I mean, it's always timely when it comes

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Speaker 2: to the issue we're going to discuss. But I would

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Speaker 2: would be talking about an Australia who had woken up,

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Speaker 2: who had learnt from previous mistakes, who had shunned division

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Speaker 2: who had embraced the Jewish community. Of course none of

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Speaker 2: the above has occurred. I am talking to you potentially

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Speaker 5: And there was a full report with numerous recommendations that

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Speaker 4: He did finally after a month apologize he did. It

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Speaker 4: So I think if you have a.

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Speaker 1: Benidan, the learning lessons is key.

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Speaker 2: And I know people probably have drinking games when I

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Speaker 2: But the amount of papers with his very specific handwriting

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Speaker 1: And he would talk all the time.

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Speaker 2: And hearing you just say then about our leadership in

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Speaker 2: we'd been in a different place. Weren't we saying this

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Speaker 1: We might not have had the Bonde Di massacre.

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Speaker 2: How are we repeating the exact same mistakes that got

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Speaker 1: After the Bondi massacre.

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Speaker 5: I've been thinking the exact same thing, and honestly, for

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Speaker 5: And it's the same situation with the tragedy should have

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Speaker 4: That was the tragedy.

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Speaker 5: Fifteen Australians murdered, thirteen of them were Jewish Australians. They

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Speaker 5: were targeted at a Hanuka party by radical Islamic terrorists.

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Speaker 4: But the tragedy is now the destruction and the decline in.

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Speaker 4: I just don't understand how average Australians are okay with.

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Speaker 2: And I would I would hope like hell, And I'm

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Speaker 1: But I would hope, like hell. They're not okay with it.

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Speaker 2: But I suspect I don't know if it's because we're

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the one thing, the one thing that

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Speaker 5: Don't have a viable political alternative to the Labor government.

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Speaker 4: Have a coalition. That's and so I know that a

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Speaker 2: Well, no, let's explain to them, because it's really because

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Speaker 2: Maybe she had a point, Maybe she didn't always perfectly

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Speaker 1: How many people are we bringing in? Is that sensible?

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Speaker 2: Look at our culture, look at the evolution of it.

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Speaker 5: Crain easiest thing to watch because she has been her

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Speaker 1: We're all from somewhere else.

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Speaker 4: But also the driveway.

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Speaker 5: And the thing that she points out rightly so is

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Speaker 2: Suicidal empathy and this whole you know where we get

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Speaker 1: That that is not racist.

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Speaker 2: When I lived in Indonesia for seven or eight years,

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Speaker 1: as like eleven year old girls.

443
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Speaker 2: You cover your shoulders when we go out, you do this,

444
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: you do that, You use your left hand because in

445
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: this culture and this religion, the right you know, all

446
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 2: these different things that we had to, Like when the

447
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: call to prayer played four or five times a day,

448
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: we would stop where we were as a show and

449
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: sign of respect. In a Muslom nation, you reverse the

450
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Speaker 2: other way. I'm happy for anyone to come into this country.

451
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: Respect the way we live our lives. Don't try and

452
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Speaker 2: change it. Keep parts of your culture and your religion

453
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Speaker 2: that especial. Absolutely, do whatever makes you happy, but don't

454
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Speaker 2: try and kill us. Like these are basic, low standard things.

455
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Speaker 2: Respect the culture, immerse yourself in parts of it that matter,

456
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Speaker 2: keep your own parts that's special. Absolutely, don't try and

457
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Speaker 2: kill us. Don't try and take over it's not It

458
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be controversial.

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Speaker 5: And Aaron, as a Jewish advocate and a Jewish Australian,

460
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Speaker 5: That's what I'm finding saddest about this moment because that's

461
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Speaker 5: what the Jewish community of Australia have always done. We

462
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 5: came to Australia, many of us, I'm the grand children

463
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Speaker 5: of Holocaust survivors who came from Poland.

464
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Speaker 4: They came to this country.

465
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Speaker 5: They worked themselves stupid, they integrated themselves into Australia. We've

466
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Speaker 5: been so much part of the fabric of Australia, our community.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly how we've lived. We've contributed. There are Australian

468
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Speaker 4: governor generals, Australian treasurers. I mean, we've done all of

469
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Speaker 4: those things.

470
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Speaker 5: And we find this country in a place where right

471
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Speaker 5: now when not accepted and it's because of complete misinformation,

472
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Speaker 5: lack of political leadership, demonization of Israel, which is another

473
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Speaker 5: old story, but that for me is the very saddest thing,

474
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Speaker 5: because we have let people into this country who are

475
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Speaker 5: not assimilating, not adopting Australian values.

476
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Speaker 4: And that's something that the Jews of Australia have always.

477
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Speaker 2: Done one hundred percent. And it's got nothing to do

478
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Speaker 2: with race, with the color of your skin. Your community

479
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: is very diverse in that way. It has to do

480
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Speaker 2: with a group of people who came here who were

481
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Speaker 2: grateful grateful for what this country was willing to offer

482
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: them and their family, having just gone through hell elsewhere,

483
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: and so they came and they wanted to help old

484
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: a country that they already believed in and contributed immensely

485
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Speaker 2: in so many different fields. You're exactly right, so it

486
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: must feel deeply personal to then feel rejected by a

487
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 2: community that you have dedicated so much of your lives to.

488
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Speaker 5: It does feel deeply personal and deeply disappointing, and it

513
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 5: should feel deeply disappointing, not just to the Jewish community.

514
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Speaker 4: Of Crab but to all Australians, because anyone who has

515
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Speaker 4: is you.

516
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Speaker 5: Know, my age or older or even slightly younger, who

517
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 5: was growing up in this country and knows what a

518
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 5: brilliant place it was to grow up in, would and

519
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 5: should be feeling really disappointed in where we are at

520
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 5: today for all Australians.

521
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Speaker 4: This country is not the country that it was on

522
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Speaker 4: so many.

523
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Speaker 5: Levels, and I just hope that we haven't left too

524
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Speaker 5: late to find our way back there.

525
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Speaker 4: Someone said to me yesterday, A friend said to me.

526
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Speaker 5: Well, at least you know we're not we're not England,

527
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 5: and we're not France. We've still we're not Canada. We've

528
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 5: still got some time. And I said, well, I'm not

529
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Speaker 5: so sure about that. Like, I think that a lot

530
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Speaker 5: of damage has been done and I think it's going

531
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Speaker 5: to be very hard to turn the tide.

532
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Speaker 2: Do you know what's really interesting? You look at those

533
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Speaker 2: countries as examples, and the UK in particular in areas

534
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: in Europe where they have just condescend. You know, it's

535
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Speaker 2: almost how do they come back?

536
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Speaker 1: I don't know that they are.

537
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,719
Speaker 2: They are so so down this rabbit hole of destruction

538
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: that it's so hard to look at and see how

539
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Speaker 2: does the UK ever become what it once was?

540
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Speaker 1: Look at Iran, people would say, oh, that's ridiculous.

541
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Speaker 2: Where So if you talk to people who were in

542
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Speaker 2: that country prior to the Islamic regime coming in forty

543
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: seven years ago, not two hundred years ago.

544
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Speaker 1: The way they describe the way that it occurred, you go.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, there are elements of that that we

546
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: see here in this country today that the UK experience,

547
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Speaker 2: and it does don't take long.

548
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Speaker 1: It doesn't take long.

549
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Speaker 2: There's look at mum Dani in New York City invoking

550
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Speaker 2: I had a guest on that will be the episode

551
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Speaker 2: previous to this one, so my audience hopefully will have

552
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: watched it if you haven't watched it, And he explains

553
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: exactly what mum Dani invoked up on that stage in

554
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Speaker 2: New York City, the same city that was subjected to

555
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Speaker 2: nine to eleven, and you go, wait a minute, we

556
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: are not as far away as we might think from

557
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Speaker 2: those kinds of regimes taking over entirely.

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Speaker 1: That's not exaggerating.

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Speaker 4: We're not far away.

560
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Speaker 5: And I started my advocacy journey in twenty twenty twenty

561
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Speaker 5: twenty one in Australia when I could see that things

562
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Speaker 5: were changing in Australia and there were a couple of

563
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Speaker 5: areas I wanted to address. One was corporate Australia and

564
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Speaker 5: people not understanding that the Jews in this country on

565
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Speaker 5: a makeup half of one percent of the population, but

566
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Speaker 5: of the recipients of the majority of the hate crime.

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Speaker 5: And the other thing was the situation on university campuses

568
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Speaker 5: and the BDS movement, and it was really hard to

569
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Speaker 5: get people to accept what I was saying. Most people

570
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Speaker 5: in the Jewish community in Australia didn't believe.

571
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Speaker 4: That we had a problem here and didn't want to

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Speaker 4: see it.

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Speaker 5: And in the short short time since October seven, twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty three, the level and the growth of antisemitism has

575
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Speaker 5: been so extreme and so much more extreme than what

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Speaker 5: we've seen in any other country in the world.

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Speaker 1: At least in.

578
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Speaker 5: England, there were decades the people to get used to

579
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Speaker 5: the idea and to do something about it. But what

580
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Speaker 5: we've seen in Australia has been so fast and so

581
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Speaker 5: aggressive that I think that makes us the scariest.

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Speaker 4: Country in the world to be a jew.

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Speaker 5: Right now, many Jewish people believe the same thing, that

584
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Speaker 5: we've just had a growth unlike any other country, and

585
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Speaker 5: it's very concerning all for every single Australian.

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Speaker 2: Is their legitimate looking into leaving by a lot of

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Speaker 2: people in this community in Australia.

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Speaker 4: Yes there is.

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Speaker 5: There is to become very unsettled when I speak like this,

590
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Speaker 5: but I know a number of people who are looking

591
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Speaker 5: at leaving.

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Speaker 4: I'm one of them, and that breaks my heart. My

593
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Speaker 4: grandparents moved.

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Speaker 5: Here to get as far away physically from antisemitism as

595
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Speaker 5: they could. And to think that the surge of antisemitism

596
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Speaker 5: has come all the way from Europe to our shores

597
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Speaker 5: is like it was unthinkable back when they.

598
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Speaker 4: Were all immigrating.

599
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Speaker 5: But yes, plenty of people have left already, and many

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Speaker 5: everyone has a plan B eron. I'm not exaggerating when

601
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 5: I tell you that everybody I know has a plan B.

602
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 5: They either have it, they're either looking into secondary passports.

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Speaker 5: This is the story of being Jewish. For thousands of years.

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Speaker 5: We always have known that at some point antisemitism is

605
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Speaker 5: like a curve bell and it will go quiet and

606
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Speaker 5: be a bit latent for a while, but then it

607
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 5: will rear its head. And we have always been expelled

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Speaker 5: from wherever we settle into and we've always sort of

609
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Speaker 5: had our bags packed ready to go.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why that makes me really emotional. I mean,

611
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Speaker 1: I know it.

612
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Speaker 2: But it's not even that it's found its way here,

613
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Speaker 2: this anti Semitism or this evil, because you'll never rid

614
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Speaker 2: the world of this kind of evil. It's that my

615
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Speaker 2: country has allowed it to fester and to get bigger,

616
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Speaker 2: to the extent that we're in the position where and

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Speaker 2: now that's what that's what is deeply unsettling and to

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Speaker 2: be honest, terrifying.

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Speaker 4: But this is happening everywhere around the world. It's a

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Speaker 4: global thing, I believe.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there are so many factors, but I think

622
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Speaker 5: COVID has made life so hard globally for so many people.

623
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Speaker 4: And we know that when the world gets ugly and

624
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Speaker 4: things become difficult.

625
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Speaker 5: That people need to blame somebody, and historically it has

626
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Speaker 5: been Jewish people, and that's why we're always called the

627
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Speaker 5: canary in the coal mine. So's we can see it

628
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Speaker 5: because it's a pattern, but it is deeply upsetting.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I naively and my parents' generation we naively thought.

631
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Speaker 5: We've always said we were in living through the golden

632
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Speaker 5: age of Judaism, and we naively thought that maybe history

633
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 5: just there was an end point where negative things in

634
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Speaker 5: history just stayed happening, and maybe that was just it,

635
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Speaker 5: and the world would learn because the world's more advanced,

636
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 5: and we have technology and we have social media, and

637
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Speaker 5: we're much more of a globalized world.

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Speaker 2: But not the case money Before we go, Can you

639
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Speaker 2: give me something optimistic to cling to? How do we

640
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Speaker 2: dig ourselves out of this hole.

641
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Speaker 5: The optimism I have from within my community is that

642
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 5: in the last few weeks, I have been to weddings,

643
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 5: I've been to twenty first I've been to gatherings where

644
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 5: we are happy, and we are strong, and we are proud,

645
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 5: and we will not stop being proud Jews, and we

646
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 5: will not stop.

647
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: Telling the world who we are and what we stand for.

648
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 4: And I believe that the average Australian.

649
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Speaker 5: Feels the same about their country, and they will stand

650
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 5: up if they have an opportunity and talk about what

651
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 5: they really want for this country.

652
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Speaker 4: Which is not social division. It's not a government that

653
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 4: is not going to call out radical Islamic terrorism.

654
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Speaker 5: We want to be who we've always been, which is

655
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Speaker 5: a friendly, peace loving, cohesive nation. So the optimism has

656
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 5: to lie with the fact that we all are smarter

657
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Speaker 5: than the morons who are on the streets of Australia

658
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Speaker 5: protesting things they don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Quite a brilliant way to finish, MANI you're incredible, Your

660
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: voice is incredible. You fight day in day out, and

661
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Speaker 2: I thank you for it, not just on behalf of

662
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Speaker 2: the Jewish Australian population, but on behalf of all of us.

663
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Speaker 1: To a decent and sensible and have common sense.

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Speaker 4: Thank you right back at you. Aaron Mullen, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I know I asked her to end on

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Speaker 1: a positive note. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: Yes, those are the things at the end of the

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Speaker 2: day that really matter, but we've got to have a

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Speaker 2: safe world in order to do them in. Don't we

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Speaker 2: to go two birthday parties and twenty first and anyway,

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Speaker 2: we continue to fight the good fight, and the fact

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Speaker 2: that you're watching here means you are part of that.

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Speaker 1: So I thank you, I thank you, I thank you,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Some fan feedback.

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Speaker 2: This is off the back of the video we posted

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Speaker 2: yesterday with Jonathan Gilliam, former seal FBI talking about Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: This case of Savannah Guthrie's mother, which is heartbreaking but

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Speaker 2: so much does not add up. Peg Mind says Jonathan

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Speaker 2: is the best talking about this terrible situation. Bella says,

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Speaker 2: absolutely love your professionalism and reporting the case and not

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Speaker 2: sounding like an over dramatic conspiracy theory using clickbait to

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Speaker 2: get views. Thank you, Eron, I just subscribed. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: and you've really hit close to home. Bella, really hit

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Speaker 2: close to home as my editor, Ali will attest to

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Speaker 2: we battle with this day in day out because a

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Speaker 2: lot of others just go real extreme clickbait, and.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, it works for some of them, but

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Speaker 1: we never ever ever want to do that. We want

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Speaker 1: to reel you in. Absolutely we want to show our

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Speaker 1: best bits.

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Speaker 2: So you go, yes, I want to watch that, but

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Speaker 2: we want to deliver every time on what you think

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Speaker 2: you're clicking on, and we want to be we want

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Speaker 2: to be genuine, we want to be credible, we want

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Speaker 2: to have integrity.

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Speaker 1: So I thank you, thank you, thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: That really means a lot.

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Speaker 2: David says, excellent analysis. I've been watching Fox. It's all

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Speaker 2: they broad us right now. Yes, I've been watching Fox

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Speaker 2: as well, and I never heard this perspective. This is

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Speaker 2: from Jonathan Gilliam our experts, So thank you. He is wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Wendy says, why are they forcing her to make bitcoin transfers?

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Speaker 2: Is why they're there so long or waiting on someone else.

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Speaker 2: They were waiting on someone or something to be there.

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Speaker 2: You can't track bitcoin, but you can track transactions from

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Speaker 2: personal bank accounts.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a very interesting thing.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I might try and get someone on regarding

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Speaker 2: bitcoin to explain how that all works. Someone said I

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Speaker 2: was waiting for the newsflash saying they've arrested the beep

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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to say who they've said that

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Speaker 2: they might be arresting, but I'm sure heard a lot of.

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Speaker 1: The talk as well.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, I mean, it's very difficult to speculate as

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Speaker 2: much as you want to because if you're not right,

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Speaker 2: then it is incredibly damaging, and there are ramifications for

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Speaker 2: that kind of thing. Mimi says, they look resigned to me,

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Speaker 2: and this is the video of the Savannah and her

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Speaker 2: two siblings, and I made exactly that point. They look

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Speaker 2: like they have accepted their fate essentially, and I interpret

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Speaker 2: that is that Nancy, their mum, is no longer alive.

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Speaker 2: It looked that way to me, and other people seem

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Speaker 2: to making that observation as well.

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Speaker 1: Jay Rock says, my belief.

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Speaker 2: Is someone who is very jealous of Savannah in their industry,

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Speaker 2: and it is Hi this, Okay, that's a little bit

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Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, but hey, as we've learned in recent time,

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Speaker 2: things we used to think we conspiracies have actually turned

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Speaker 2: out to be the truth.

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Speaker 1: So who knows. I love you all. I love your comments.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching huge show tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Former Secretary Veteran Affairs under Defense, Personnel and Readiness Secretary

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Speaker 2: Robert Wilkie is my guest and we have a long

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Speaker 2: conversation about China, about the Middle East. In fact, he

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Speaker 2: makes this point looking at I've only just done him now,

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Speaker 2: so it's coming to you fresh. He's made this point

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Speaker 2: looking at the build up of might in the Middle East,

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Speaker 2: and he says, you don't put that amount of infrastructure

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Speaker 2: there and weaponry there and not pull the trigger. Let's

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Speaker 2: hope he's right. Love you all, We'll see you six

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Speaker 2: am ET. But of course other clips throughout the day.

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