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Speaker 1: is too, where he is, of course, one of the

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Speaker 1: resident experts on the Islamic Republic of Iran. And I

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Speaker 1: preface this by saying, there are a handful of people

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Speaker 1: who have been actually working on the Islamic Republic of

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Speaker 1: Iran for more than a day or a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: or a news cycle or a few and one of

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Speaker 1: them is Michael Durant. Michael, welcome back, Good to see you.

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Speaker 1: By way of beginning, can you tell people how long

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Speaker 1: you've been focused on the Islamic Republic.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, first of all, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: Great to be here. I guess about twenty years. I

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Speaker 3: worked in the White House for George W. Bush from

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Speaker 3: two thousand and five to seven. I was in charge

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Speaker 3: of the Middle East of the National Security Council, and

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Speaker 3: I spent more time and reading intelligence on Iran than

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Speaker 3: anything else when I was there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's why I called you in. I want to

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Speaker 1: find out do you want if President Trump calls you

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Speaker 1: today and says, Mike, what do you want me to

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Speaker 1: do about Iran?

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Speaker 4: What does Mike Duran say?

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Speaker 2: What I think?

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Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting that question. I was expecting you to

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Speaker 3: ask me what do I think Trump is going to do?

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Speaker 3: And I'm what I think he's going to do, I

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Speaker 3: think is also what i'd like to see him do.

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Speaker 3: I think he should take out Ali Kamini, the supreme leader.

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Speaker 3: I think decapitation is the only way to move forward

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Speaker 3: at this point. I think there's no possibility of negotiating

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Speaker 3: with the regime as long as he's in place. There's

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Speaker 3: no possibility of alleviating the suffering of the people on

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Speaker 3: moving him aside is moving him out of the picture

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Speaker 3: is probably in everyone's interest.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: That is regimed decapitation. It's what we did in Venezuela.

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Speaker 1: Assume for the moment we can do that. What do

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Speaker 3: Well, I think a leader from within the IRGC, and

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Speaker 3: IRGC General would Revolutionary Guard General would step up and

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Speaker 3: someone else would take the Supreme Leader's role, but I

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Speaker 3: think that the office itself would be diminished by his departure.

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Speaker 1: Now, Mike Durant, I've got a target list. I don't

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Speaker 1: know anything, right, I'm a civilian, I didn't All I

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Speaker 1: know about Iran is what I've read about Iran and

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Speaker 1: over the years, and what you learned on the domestic

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Speaker 1: office doing Fizer warrants. So I don't know a lot

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Speaker 4: Or others right about it.

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Speaker 1: Why have we not blown up carg Island and they

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Speaker 1: have two other oil terminals that fill up tankers that

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Speaker 1: blow up their terminals. Why haven't we done that?

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Speaker 3: We haven't done that, And that's actually the logical next

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Speaker 3: question in response to what I said, because there are

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Speaker 3: real inherent dangers in what I said about decapitation, and

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Speaker 2: Counter attack from the Iranians.

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Speaker 3: There was a back in June when the Israelis and

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Speaker 3: the Iranians were fighting. The Israelis didn't hit any of

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Speaker 3: I think that we fear as well. The Iranians still

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Speaker 2: Now. If you're a businessman, you can't take a loan, if.

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Speaker 3: You're a worker, you can't have a working wage because

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Speaker 1: So, Mike Duran, I'm back to the wet IFFs. I

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Speaker 1: thought in June that their ICBM attack hit at least

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Speaker 1: in Israel at the Demona facility. Assume for a moment

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Speaker 1: that the Lincoln will provide more, and that we've moved

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Speaker 1: that they're as well defended as they can be. Why

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Speaker 3: Well, it will, it will, and and one should be

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Speaker 3: be then a de escalation process after how many was

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Speaker 3: last time around the Israelis. The Israelis have an escalatory

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Speaker 2: They were restrained by President Trump.

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Speaker 3: I think I think the President expected that that because

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Speaker 3: of I don't want to use the word gratitude, but

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Speaker 3: more inclined to negotiate with them. But they've stiffed armed

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Speaker 3: that they that they need another lesson.

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Speaker 2: There is another thing.

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Speaker 3: They could do, though, Hugh, if which they haven't done,

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Speaker 3: they meaning the Trump administration. I've got an article coming

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Speaker 3: We know where it is, and so we don't even

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Speaker 3: have to carry out a connectic attack against their oil facilities.

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Speaker 3: We can shut down their oil sales by destroying their

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Speaker 3: shadow banking system. And we haven't wanted to do that

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Speaker 3: We've been a little bit too delicate with that ally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike Duran, years ago when you were working for

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Speaker 1: or someone asked him why aren't we going hard against Iran?

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Speaker 1: And he said, lots of things we can do. We

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Speaker 1: can disintermediate the money. Pretty big word, isn't it disintermediate?

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Speaker 1: And it was funny, but I assume that's what you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, and the well we can shut down the

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Speaker 3: to China, because the economic.

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Speaker 2: Lung of Iran is actually in Dubai.

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Speaker 3: The Dubai banks are where most of Iranian transactions are

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Speaker 2: We keep you know.

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Speaker 3: Last Thursday, the Treasury put out some new sanctions and

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Speaker 3: they hit shell companies that the Iranians use to move

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Speaker 3: actually touch the banks. And I think that's what my

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Speaker 3: article tomorrow argues. We need to actually begin finding and

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Speaker 3: even sanctioning these banks because we know what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: They pretend to not know that this is Iranian money,

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Speaker 3: but it is and they.

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Speaker 4: Know it now. Mike Drant.

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Speaker 1: When we come back after the break, I want to

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Speaker 1: I want to explore further with you whether you think

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Speaker 1: But a quick good question, can we do all three?

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Speaker 1: Can we take a shot at Hamini, who I assumes

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Speaker 2: We could do all We could do all three things

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Speaker 3: But if we go after the oil facilities, I think

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Speaker 1: Is that why Saudi Arabia? I don't think the UAE

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Speaker 3: No, I think that the Saudis and the Turks, who

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Speaker 3: want a stability. They fear all of the instability that

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Speaker 1: I'm going to come right back with Mike Duran, follow

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Speaker 1: him on Exit Duranimator and go to the Hudson Institute.

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Speaker 1: He is one of the half dozen people actually knows

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Speaker 1: what they're talking about when it comes to the MULO.

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Speaker 1: So stay tuned. W right back with Mike after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Mike durant is,

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Speaker 1: Mike Gash, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. He's got

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Speaker 1: a piece coming out in the Journal tomorrow morning. I

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Speaker 1: always like to be ahead of the news. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you read it, Mike. Why do you think the President

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Speaker 1: didn't act last week before the protesters were killed? Although

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Speaker 1: because they were blacked out.

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Speaker 4: They can't rely on that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they weren't listening to my radio show ten

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Speaker 1: him harder than they'll ever been hit before, and then

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Speaker 1: he said it to Sean Hanna and he sent it

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Speaker 1: to Tony Dakoople. I don't think they were in the

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. So why why do you think he didn't

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Speaker 3: Well, there's what we know, and you and I were

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Speaker 1: On Friday, during the big prayers, there's always a major

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Speaker 4: Again.

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Speaker 1: This is not the behavior of a regime that is

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Speaker 1: In June, Mike, I think the Foundation for the Defensive

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Speaker 2: To have such penetration of the regime.

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Speaker 3: It would really surprise me if they if they didn't

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Speaker 4: Do you agree with me?

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Speaker 3: We don't know that, we don't know the final numbers,

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that brings me to I don't think we

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Speaker 1: I talk about regime evolution. In Venezuela. We're hoping that

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Speaker 1: But I don't think we can change anything because it's

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Speaker 1: it's such a malign and everywhere present thing. What is

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Speaker 3: I think it's what I'm arguing in the Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 4: Move that will.

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Speaker 2: Give you, you know, the.

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Speaker 3: They will work to try to reconstitute, but but we

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Speaker 3: You know, there are these two economies. There's the elite

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Speaker 2: So you'll hit the elite.

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Speaker 3: Hard, and that would position the Americans and I think

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Speaker 2: And I was.

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Speaker 3: Actually surprised at myself when I said take out May.

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Speaker 3: I really think that that's probably where Trump is thinking

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Speaker 1: All right, So I'm going to come back with Michael

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Speaker 1: durand don't go anywhere America except over to my YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: You will see uh this video there before the end

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's a Durana may ted Durano may ted okay,

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Speaker 1: How I've heard so many different views of how many

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Speaker 3: And the IRGC is a relatively lean force, you know,

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Speaker 2: The Arteche, which is the regular.

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Speaker 2: They they still they certainly do.

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Speaker 3: They've they've they've They've put a lot of effort into

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Speaker 1: So is there is there really any solution here? I

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Speaker 1: But is there any way to actually dislodge the regime.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there is, but tell me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 3: I think we're going to be managing a very very

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Speaker 2: But the IRGC runs the enemy of Iran. You know,

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Speaker 2: Of the of the of the IRGC. So regime change

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Speaker 2: would really mean getting.

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Speaker 3: The IRGC out of the out of the economy, and

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Speaker 3: that's going to take a very very long time.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's like debathi vocation. And of course everyone remembers

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Speaker 1: what happened in Iraq after we debathified and disbanded.

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Speaker 4: The army doesn't want that.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Donald Trump brought it up, why didn't you

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Speaker 1: take out all the other people not named Maduro? And

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Speaker 1: he said, do you remember I rock? After Paul Bremer

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Speaker 1: got there, and I is that a well taken lesson?

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Speaker 1: Is that something we should internalize.

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Speaker 3: I do think it's I think it's important. I think

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Speaker 3: it's important to be prudent.

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Speaker 2: About this whole this whole situation.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that we should we should be looking

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Speaker 3: for an IRGC, a kinder gentler i ERGC to cut

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Speaker 3: a deal with, but we should be careful about about

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Speaker 3: big grand projects of remaking.

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Speaker 2: The Middle East.

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Speaker 3: One of the most important issues that isn't talked about

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Speaker 3: in the Iran context is the ethnic question in Iran.

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Speaker 3: Persians only make up about forty seven percent of the

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Speaker 3: population of Iran, and we have these concentrated ethnic enclaves

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Speaker 3: all around.

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Speaker 2: The Persians are in the middle of the country.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like a sunflower there the disc in

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Speaker 3: the middle of the flower, and the petals are all

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Speaker 3: the minorities around the borders.

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Speaker 2: And the minorities are on both sides of the borders.

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Speaker 3: So you have Azerbaijani's in the north, in the northwest

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Speaker 3: of the country, right next to the country of Azerbaijan,

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Speaker 3: so they have strong bonds of affinity with people across

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Speaker 3: the border. The Kurds in Iran are right across the

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Speaker 3: border from Kurds in Iraq and Kurds in Turkey and

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Speaker 3: so forth. So the ethnic composition of Iran is a

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Speaker 3: great concern to Iran neighbors, and this is changing significantly.

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Speaker 2: While while we speak.

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Speaker 1: I have one more segment with Mike Durant. Don't go

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Speaker 1: anywhere except Duranimated. I got it right on x duranimated

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Speaker 1: and follow him there. And I have one more segment

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Speaker 1: coming up with Mike Durant on the huts of his

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Speaker 1: stay tuned Welcome Back in America.

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Speaker 4: I'm Hugh Hewitt with Michael Durant.

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Speaker 1: Michael, what are the consequences if President Trump hasn't done

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Speaker 1: anything to punish Iran for the mascre of at least

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Speaker 1: fifteen thousand people in the imprisonment of tens of thousands more.

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Speaker 4: If he does nothing in a.

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Speaker 1: Period of time, let's say two months, because sometimes it

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Speaker 1: takes two months to get ready for something, what will

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Speaker 1: be the consequences for Donald Trump and for the American

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Speaker 1: deterrence that he has rebuilt actually in the first year

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Speaker 1: of his second term.

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Speaker 3: Well that's you put your finger I think on the

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Speaker 3: keyword there. You said the keyword, which is deterrence. You remember,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Likes it too.

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Speaker 3: He likes to keep all options open, and he likes

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Speaker 3: to put himself in the position of being the decider,

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Speaker 3: and he likes to keep everybody guessing, including the people

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Speaker 3: close to him.

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Speaker 2: Who are who are around him.

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Speaker 3: That isn't such a That isn't such a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: But I think sometimes he gets the calibration wrong. In

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Speaker 3: the last in his first term, you remember that he

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Speaker 3: contemplated striking Iran and then he didn't uh and then

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Speaker 3: the Iranians drive came to the conclusion that he was

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Speaker 3: a paper tiger and they tried to Then the Costum

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Speaker 3: soul Money launched this whole campaign to throw us entirely

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Speaker 3: out of Iraq, and that then led to Trump taking

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Speaker 3: down Solomoni so I and I think that was an

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Speaker 3: awareness on his part that he had gotten the deterrence wrong.

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Speaker 3: I think he's had enough experience with Iran that he

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Speaker 3: won't make that mistake again. But one of the reasons

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Speaker 3: why I'm saying that I think he's going to act

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Speaker 3: is because he took such a strong position and they

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Speaker 3: have flouted him so directly, and I think he's seen

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Speaker 3: this movie before.

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Speaker 1: I also agree with that, But having been dared, having

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Speaker 1: been taunted by the regime since he took the strong

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Speaker 1: public position for eight days and they haven't turned their

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Speaker 1: internet back on, I think just to disintermediate money is

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Speaker 1: bad because no one can see it. It's worse to

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Speaker 1: take a shot at ham and E and miss have

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Speaker 1: him show up in a secret. So the one thing

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Speaker 1: we can do that I know we can hit. We

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Speaker 1: can hit IRGC headquarters, they're all over the country, and

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Speaker 1: we can hit the oil terminals. So if you if

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Speaker 1: the problem is our very closest allies next to Israel

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Speaker 1: or the little Sparta UAE, do you think they want

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Speaker 1: us to get to a conclusion of this or do

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Speaker 1: they want we haven't done amy Iran? I mean we

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Speaker 1: literally have done nothing to them since Midnight Hammer. Do

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Speaker 1: you think they want to leave the status quote with

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Speaker 1: them reconstituting their missile program and nothing else.

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Speaker 2: No, but they don't.

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Speaker 3: What they also don't want, then the neighbors don't want

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Speaker 3: is a wounded animal.

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Speaker 2: They have to live next to Iran always.

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Speaker 3: So if the United States goes in and takes some

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Speaker 3: action against the IRGC bases, IRGC headquarters and then leaves,

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Speaker 3: the leaves the regime in place. Uh the regime can

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Speaker 3: then might take might take out its anger on its

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Speaker 3: on its neighbors. The other thing the neighbors don't want

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Speaker 3: or worried about is tremendous disruption. The Turks especially are

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Speaker 3: worried about this. The Turks look at at our policies

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Speaker 3: in Iraq, and they look at the Syrian civil war.

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Speaker 3: They have, they still have millions of Syrian refugees in

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Speaker 3: in Turkey, created a lot of disruption on their borders.

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Speaker 3: They all crave stability, and none of them just like

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Speaker 3: they go through the calculations like you just did with me,

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Speaker 3: and they don't see a simple solution here. There's no

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Speaker 3: simple set of actions that gets us to a perfectly

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Speaker 3: stable Iran. And there's no set of really strong acts

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Speaker 3: of retribution against the regime that don't create the possibility

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Speaker 3: of tremendous disruption with lots of refugees, creation of new pockets,

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Speaker 3: spur terrorists to work in, and so on. So nobody

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Speaker 3: has them the magic bullet here, the answer that gives

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Speaker 3: us everything we want, And so they they're they're all

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Speaker 3: counseling caution.

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Speaker 1: So nobody has a magic bullet. Nobody can predict the

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Speaker 1: future of what they will do. What do you think

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Speaker 1: the Israelis would prefer, President Trump?

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Speaker 3: Do I think that the Israelis want The number one

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Speaker 3: thing that they want is an end to the Iranian

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Speaker 3: nuclear program.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that.

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Speaker 3: They want is an end to the ballistic missile program.

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Speaker 3: Uh So they if there's going to be a major

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Speaker 3: attack on Iran, they would like to see in addition

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Speaker 3: to the stuff that you were talking about, like hitting

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Speaker 3: IRGC headquarters, they would really like to see the ballistic

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Speaker 3: missile program hit hard, very very hard, and actually taking

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Speaker 3: it off taking it offline.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that we can promise them that, though.

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Speaker 1: Do you think do you have faith that iron beam works?

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Speaker 1: They're new laser.

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Speaker 3: Oh, everything I've seen about it says suggests that it works.

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Speaker 3: It's not a total solution to the problem, but it's

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Speaker 3: an incremental step forward.

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Speaker 1: Well, if that works, and we've got the link in

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Speaker 1: there with the full complement of a strike group and

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Speaker 1: all their defensive abilities, and we flooded fads in there,

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Speaker 1: what's the worst case scenario If Donald Trump does all

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Speaker 1: of the above, IRGC take a shot at Harmoni and

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Speaker 1: other senior leadership and take out the oil.

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Speaker 4: What's the worst case.

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Speaker 3: Oh, the worst case is that they would The worst

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Speaker 3: case is that they would hit the I think the

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Speaker 3: oil fields in in Saudi Arabia. The worst case is

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Speaker 3: that the one of their one of their ballistic missiles

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Speaker 3: would would get through and create a mass casualty effect

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Speaker 3: in uh In Israel. We've also seen now you've seen

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Speaker 3: that Catherine Heridge Herodge report last week that the Iranians

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Speaker 3: used a dirty bomb again, may have, I should be

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Speaker 3: a little bit more cautious in my language, may have

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Speaker 3: used a dirty bomb against us, against all aside and

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Speaker 3: base in response to the Solomony killing. They could they

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Speaker 3: could put something nasty on the end of one of

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Speaker 3: these warheads as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have seen that report. I've asked people

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Speaker 1: who are at Ali Sad before and after they evacuated

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Speaker 1: they went back. Were they worried about that?

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Speaker 4: They're not.

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Speaker 1: Don't you think we would have tested for that?

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Speaker 3: Mike, Well, what I'm what I'm hearing is that there's

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Speaker 3: an abnormal there's an abnormal number of incidents of thyroid

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Speaker 3: cancer among the people who the people who survived all

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Speaker 3: all I can say is it looked to me like

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Speaker 3: it was a serious report that she if you looked

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Speaker 3: into Yeah, so I can't speculate as to why. Look,

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Speaker 3: it's possible that they weren't aware of it and it's

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Speaker 3: only becoming aware now. It's also possible that they were

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Speaker 3: not fully certain about it and they didn't want to

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Speaker 3: say it because it would require it would require retribution

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Speaker 3: when they when the policy didn't call for that.

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Speaker 1: Well, Mike, Mike Durant, we will look for your piece

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Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal tomorrow. Everyone who's listening, and

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Speaker 1: I hope you will come back as your question ten seconds.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Donald Trump will do something anything that

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Speaker 1: we noticed within this week.

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Speaker 2: No, I think it'll be a week after all right,

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Speaker 2: Mike Durant.

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Speaker 1: I love people would answer, Thank you so much again,

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Speaker 1: they're animated. Go follow him on next follow me in

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Speaker 1: the next segment.

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Speaker 4: Of Today's Hywich Show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to America.

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Speaker 4: I'm Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 1: Bethany Mandel is the wonderful brain behind the moom Wars

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Speaker 1: dot substack dot com, along with a couple of her

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Speaker 1: co creators, the mom Wars dot substack dot com. You

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Speaker 1: can follow Bethany on exit Bethany Shandark. But I feel

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Speaker 1: a little bit like everyone I asked to go out

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Speaker 1: in high school. Bethany, you've been doing you've been busy

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Speaker 1: the last few weeks. Yeah, washing your hair.

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Speaker 4: I do know what's going on.

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Speaker 1: Were you've been vanished ghosting me?

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Speaker 5: Literally did ghost you? I forgot that we changed our

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Speaker 5: time after I got home from Israel, and I have

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Speaker 5: six kus, and I just forget everything.

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Speaker 4: That's okay.

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Speaker 1: At least I hadn't asked it for a date. That

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Speaker 1: used to happen to me all the time. There were

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Speaker 1: a lot I heard excuses you've never heard of before.

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Speaker 4: Bethany. I want to go very serious.

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Speaker 1: The number out of Iran is over sixteen thousand murdered

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Speaker 1: in the streets, according to the Sunday Times of London.

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Speaker 1: So I'm using fifteen thousand as a baseline on a

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Speaker 1: proportional basis. That's worse than nine to eleven. That's worse

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Speaker 1: than ten seven. I think it's worse than Tiennum and square.

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Speaker 1: It's horrific. What should the United States do?

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's the million dollar question, Like what is

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Speaker 5: our what is our moral obligation to the people of Iran?

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Speaker 1: I think that.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we're already doing better than the Obama administration

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Speaker 5: did when similar things happened.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: It's I really struggle with it because there is a

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Speaker 5: reticence on everyone's part, including my own, that we don't

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Speaker 5: want to get involved in the Middle East because it's

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Speaker 5: just it's a never ending, you know, pile of badness

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Speaker 5: you can't ever really seem to get out. But I

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Speaker 5: think that we need to be having some conversations with

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Speaker 5: the opposition quietly and ask them very sincerely, what do

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Speaker 5: you need, how can we help you? And if there's

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Speaker 5: ways that the United States can provide support without you know,

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Speaker 5: going in and pushing the domino, I think that we

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Speaker 5: should consider it.

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Speaker 4: Beth Any my preferred choice.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk an hour three with Michael Durant

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Speaker 1: of the Hudson is Too for most of the hour

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Speaker 1: because he's one of the They're really only a handful

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Speaker 1: of Iran experts out there, Michael Duran, Kareem Sadyapor, Mark Dubowitz.

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Speaker 1: There are a few who are not in the government.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask him why is carg Island not smoldering?

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Speaker 1: There are only three oil terminals on the coast, of Iran.

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Speaker 1: They ship all the oil that supports the regime to

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Speaker 1: China and other ghost ship buyers because they're sanctioned. They'll

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Speaker 1: run out of money if we blow up their oil.

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Speaker 1: So I'll get an answer from Mike. But what do

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Speaker 1: you think about that? Why don't we do that?

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Speaker 5: I mean, I wonder what the plan was. It seems

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Speaker 5: like a week ago America was about to do something militarily,

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Speaker 5: and I wonder.

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Speaker 1: If that was it.

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Speaker 5: And I wonder, you know, especially with the Trump administration,

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Speaker 5: you always have to sort of trust that things are

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Speaker 5: going on behind the scenes, and I wonder, I wonder,

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Speaker 5: I wonder what the plan is. I think that there

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Speaker 5: is one, and you know, that seems to me an

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Speaker 5: obvious point of attack, but maybe there's maybe there's things

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Speaker 5: going on behind the scenes that we just have no

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Speaker 5: way of knowing. And so I'm kind of trusting a

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Speaker 5: little bit that the right things are happening behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Now. I do believe that two conversations last week between

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister and Yahoo and President Trump occurred.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea what they said. I do have

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Speaker 4: a great deal.

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Speaker 1: Of trust in Chairman Kane, Secretary Rubio, Secretary Hegseth, Director Ratcliffe,

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Speaker 1: Susie Wilds, the Big Five. I think he gets a

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Speaker 1: lot of good options, and I do think we're going

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Speaker 1: to do something that is visible, but I also see online.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's fair people blaming him for encouraging

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Speaker 1: people to protest, and I don't think you can blame

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Speaker 1: a massacre on someone who is saying go for it.

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Speaker 1: The only thing they would have seen is he had

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Speaker 1: one tweet before they were cut off from the Internet.

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Speaker 1: They couldn't hurt his interview with me. They couldn't have

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Speaker 1: heard an interview with Sean Hannon, they couldn't have heard

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Speaker 1: an interview with Tony D. Kopple, They couldn't have seen

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Speaker 1: his tweets over the weekend that were more aggressive.

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Speaker 4: Do you think it's fair.

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Speaker 1: To blame him for any of the death because it

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Speaker 5: No, absolutely not. I mean this is sort of the

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Speaker 5: bigotree of low expectations. You think that the Iranian people

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Speaker 5: are only getting out into the streets because they think Donald.

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Speaker 1: Trump told them so.

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Speaker 5: You can't get Republicans out in the street because they

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Speaker 5: because Donald Trump tells us so. The Iranian people have

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Speaker 5: been suffering under this regime for close to five decades,

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Speaker 5: and they see an opportunity to topple it. And you know,

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Speaker 5: as I mean, these accusations are being made by progressives,

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Speaker 5: and as progressives, I used to be one until the

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Speaker 5: glaring you know, inconsistencies forced me away from that camp.

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Speaker 5: You have to believe in human rights, and for them

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Speaker 5: to be silent and progressives are silent on what's happening.

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Speaker 5: For them to be silent is such an abdication of

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Speaker 5: everything they claim to believe.

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Speaker 1: That right now, I want to the second question, and

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Speaker 1: the story came out in Josh Shapiro's new book, Where

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Speaker 1: We I Think It's Where We Have the Light. I

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Speaker 1: haven't got it yet. It doesn't come out till January

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Speaker 1: twenty nine, but it was released by his publisher that

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Speaker 1: when he was being asked by Team Harris questions, they

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Speaker 1: And when he looked at Dana Remus, former White House counsel,

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Speaker 1: and said that's a deeply offensive question, she shrugged and said, well,

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Speaker 1: we have to ask, and then she asked him, have

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Speaker 1: you been dealing with Israeli intelligence? Which is like doubling

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Speaker 1: down on the trope. What's your reaction to those two questions?

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Speaker 1: Because he's not the first Jew that's been on a

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Speaker 1: Gore's team did not ask Joe Lieberman those questions.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I mean this really signals the shift that

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Speaker 5: the Democratic Party has scenes in the time between Lieberman

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Speaker 5: they had to ask it is absolutely absurd. You know,

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Speaker 5: my friend Aaron Kayak, who used to work for the Bydministration,

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Speaker 5: ricked this question when it was when it was announced

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Speaker 5: that it was asked. Because it is to its core

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Speaker 5: anti Semitic that American Jews cannot possibly be independent, patriotic

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Speaker 1: It is it's also part of the ancient trope of

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Speaker 1: that no one in there with any experience whatever, if

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Speaker 1: So who do you think came up with that question?

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Speaker 1: Dana remis Eric Hole, someone with Jews on the brain

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Speaker 1: came up with that question, and it wasn't. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe it was Eric Holder.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it could have come from anyone on Camali's team.

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Speaker 5: That's the sad truth. So this was this excerpt was

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Speaker 5: really at least to The Atlantic. And another tidbit from

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Speaker 5: it was they went over his personal finances and found

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Speaker 5: out he's not rich like the I guess that stereotype

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Speaker 5: want to spend money on like new clothes and hair

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Speaker 5: and makeup for your wife? Really? And I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 5: that's there. You go like asking a Jew how cheap

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Speaker 5: he is? That's that was another question that I always

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Speaker 5: I didn't see that on the anti Semitism front.

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh, I got to read.

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Speaker 4: You know, they're selling books.

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Speaker 1: The name of the book is where we Keep the

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Speaker 1: Light Stories from a life of service. I know Governor Shapiro.

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Speaker 1: I've had lunch with Governor Shapiro. He's been on this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to vote for him. He's wrong, but

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Speaker 1: he's not rotten. This is nuts. And how deep does

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Speaker 1: the anti Semitism run? And what is the quote mainstream

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party?

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Speaker 4: Pretty deep?

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Speaker 5: Pretty deep? I mean, it was so funny because it

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Speaker 5: was to their detriment. They announced walls in Pennsylvania. They

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Speaker 5: understood the importance of Pennsylvania, and they still passed over

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Speaker 5: Shapiro for a far less appealing vice presidential candidate because

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Speaker 5: they were so afraid of putting a Jew in that

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I actually believed they were trying to get him to

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Speaker 1: withdraw because they knew he was the best candidate, so

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Speaker 1: you've given me more additional fuel for that theory. If

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Speaker 4: You got a fool. Welcome back America. I'm here.

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Speaker 1: We're laughing here because Vic Mattis joins as co host

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Speaker 1: of the Getting Hammered podcast, Weekend editor at The Free

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Speaker 1: Beacon Arts and Culture Editor at the Free Beacon as

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Speaker 1: the I want you to put on your not your

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Speaker 1: Getting Hammered hat, Vic, not your weekend editor, I want

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Speaker 1: you to put on your arts and culture hat.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Las Vegas fhear is going to get a twin

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Speaker 1: across the river from Old Town Alexandria next to the

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Speaker 1: MGM Casino. What do you think of that?

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Speaker 4: Arts and Culture editor?

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Speaker 6: You know, I was in Vegas a few years ago

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Speaker 6: and it was just before the Hue the Sphere was built.

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Speaker 6: You and I missed out on that, and they say

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Speaker 6: it is an amazing constant experience, and the fact that

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Speaker 6: it's this ginormous glowing orb that's on twenty four to

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Speaker 6: seven NonStop, that really sums up it it best epitomizes

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Speaker 6: what Las Vegas is all about. It doesn't quite sum

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Speaker 6: up what Prince George's County is all about, which is where.

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Speaker 4: Is going to be built. I think it's a terrible idea.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's a place for everything, right, and the

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Speaker 6: sphere is perfect in Las Vegas, Prince George's County where

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Speaker 6: MGM grand is, the casino is, there.

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Speaker 4: Is not quite there I have.

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Speaker 6: I mean I enjoy gambling, do not get me wrong,

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Speaker 6: and I try to be responsible.

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Speaker 4: But you know, there's sort of a time and a place.

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Speaker 6: And when you go to MGM here in Maryland, they

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Speaker 6: have very expensive tables like table minimums, you know, fifty dollars,

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Speaker 6: one hundred dollars tables. Okay, I can see that in Vegas,

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Speaker 6: but again in Prince George's County.

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Speaker 4: So I find it maddening. They're trying to make this

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Speaker 4: thing happen. It's going to be.

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Speaker 6: Quite an experience for everybody across the river, though in

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Speaker 6: Old Town, I guess.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be an everyday twenty four seven, three

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Speaker 1: sixty five experience. And Old Town has lots of houses

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Speaker 1: that border on the look across the River at the

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Speaker 1: think it's going to be hilarious when the Alexandria City

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Speaker 1: Council realizes that there is a they can't do anything

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Speaker 1: about it because it's a Maryland Land used decision. Nothing.

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Speaker 1: If it's been approved by Maryland and by the local authority,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do about it, which may bring

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Speaker 1: back property.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Let me now turn the VIC to the second most

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Speaker 1: shocking local story, which is that the vetting team for

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris asked Josh Shapiro, did you work for Asad?

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Speaker 1: And when he was shocked and outraged the former White

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Speaker 1: House Council, Well, we got to ask, have you been

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Speaker 1: in contact with Israeli intelligence? What do you make of that?

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Speaker 4: I already exploded my answer on Sanan today, Fox News Today.

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Speaker 6: Well, it totally sort of reveals the thinking behind the

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Speaker 6: Kamala Harris campaign team and how they feel about Israel,

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Speaker 6: how they feel about what was happening in Gaza. We

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Speaker 6: knew that because Kamala Harris obviously spoke out and wanted

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Speaker 6: to call for an end of the quote unquote violence there.

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Speaker 6: I don't think she quite said the word genocide. But

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Speaker 6: we know how her team obviously feels about this, and

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Speaker 6: they must have been very uncomfortable with the fact that

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Speaker 6: Governor Joshapiro of Pennsylvania was a contender to be one

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Speaker 6: of her running mates, And so they ask very tough

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Speaker 6: questions because that's how they think of these things, that

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Speaker 6: there could be a spy somebody that's working with the

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Speaker 6: Israeli government, as if it was who was the fellow

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Speaker 6: from the nineteen ages spy Jonathan Pollard or something like that,

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Speaker 6: you know, I mean, this is so it's absurd. And

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Speaker 6: then they asked him, you know, they asked Joshapiro did

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Speaker 6: he work with any who was undercover?

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Speaker 4: And of course, to its credit, Shapiro said, how.

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Speaker 6: The heck am I supposed to know that if they're undercover,

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Speaker 6: then I wouldn't know if they were a spy. What

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Speaker 6: they want to know is are you you know, what

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Speaker 6: is the extent of your connections to them, especially as

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Speaker 6: meaning the Israelis, especially as they're trying to figure out

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Speaker 6: how do we win Michigan.

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Speaker 4: And obviously they went with Tim Wallas.

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Speaker 6: They thought that was safer because they were, you know,

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Speaker 6: focused on the Blue Wall and of course it didn't

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Speaker 6: make a lick of a difference. They lost Michigan anyway,

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Speaker 6: and it's but good for Joshapier that he avoided that

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Speaker 6: train wreck and he's probably now obviously very focused on

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: So I have a theory, VI, I'm going to test

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Speaker 1: it out on you. I think they wanted him to withdraw,

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Speaker 1: that they wanted to offend him. I think the next

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Speaker 1: question is which part of the protocols are the elders

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Speaker 1: of Zion do you believe the most. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: they wanted to drive him off the ticket. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: he didn't, and then they smeared him by saying he

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Speaker 1: had demands that were inappropriate because they knew he was

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Speaker 1: the best selection, but they weren't going to pick a

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Speaker 1: jew because they have this crazy wing of their party.

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Speaker 1: Do you think I have the best explanation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you do. I mean there was no way he

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Speaker 4: would have gotten through that primary.

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Speaker 6: I think as as the first you know, Jewish vice

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Speaker 6: presidential running mate side, it would have been Joe. That's right,

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Speaker 6: Thank you for reminding me about Joe Lieberman. Of course

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Speaker 6: that is a different Democratic party, Hugh.

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Speaker 1: That's why, you know, that's the takeaway. Do you think

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Speaker 1: anybody that Joe Lieberman, anybody in the algre wing of

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Speaker 1: the party, anybody asked him if he was a massade agent?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: No, But again you're talking about a party that was,

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Speaker 6: you know, fairly still connected to the Clinton years where

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Speaker 6: Clinton talked about you know, abortion.

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Speaker 4: Being safe and rare, legal, safe and rare. That is

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Speaker 4: a different world.

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Speaker 6: There's no way any of these people on the Democratic

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Speaker 6: side would survive today, and certainly not Joe Lieberman, whether

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Speaker 6: it be his foreign policy or questions about his allegiances,

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Speaker 6: absurd things like that.

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Speaker 4: And the same thing with Josh Shapiro.

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Speaker 6: And then in the one hundred and seven Days book

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Speaker 6: that Kamala Harris had supposedly she claims that Shapiro asked

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Speaker 6: questions about how many rooms do they have in the

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Speaker 6: vice president's mansions and silly questions, which, to again Shapiro's credit.

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Speaker 4: On an interview he called out as bs.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that thing mandal relates to me that

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Speaker 1: they also asked him questions about how cheap he was,

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Speaker 1: again another anti semitic trope. I want to close by

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Speaker 1: asking you, Vic, what do you think President Trump is

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Speaker 1: going to do? Visa the Iran What do you want

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Speaker 1: him to do?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, we really thought, at least some of

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Speaker 6: my sources thought that it was going to happen and

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Speaker 6: attack and airstrike of some nature was going to happen.

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Speaker 4: Last week it did not. They were still waiting for.

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Speaker 6: The Abraham Lincoln and possibly George Bush aircraft carriers to

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Speaker 6: come into the region, and that is happening. I believe

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Speaker 6: one or both are on their way already. I think

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Speaker 6: there is going to be to a certain extent in

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Speaker 6: airstrike that will target the IRGC, the Isonic Revolutionary Guard Court.

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Speaker 4: I think there's going to be a substantial.

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Speaker 6: Cyber attack that will disable the Iranian regime from coordinating

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Speaker 6: and hopefully give a chance for these protesters to top

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Speaker 6: of that regime and to find an alternative in something

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Speaker 6: better than they've had for the last forty seven years.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's an all Trump's plan to you.

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Speaker 1: Know, let it relide the don't believe game.

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Speaker 6: No he's not. I don't believe that either. But he's

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Speaker 6: going to help them.

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Speaker 1: Ex good question on a scale that ranks proportionality by

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Speaker 1: population Tanneman square nine to eleven, ten to seven and

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Speaker 1: the Iran masker, which is the most proportionate terrible killing.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Iran as a percentage.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if there's numbers turn out to be true,

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Speaker 6: if it's closer to twenty thousand, then indeed it's going

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Speaker 6: to be the worst thing ever. And there's silence across

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Speaker 6: the nation's campus.

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Speaker 4: Is about us.

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Speaker 1: It is and that's why I hope the president as

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Speaker 1: do everything you said and more blow.

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Speaker 4: Up card Island. This top of my list. Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Vic Matis.

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Speaker 1: Followhim on Exit Victorino Mattis here him on the Getting

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Speaker 1: Hammered podcast.

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Speaker 4: Takes