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Speaker 1: Go find out how your church can get involved. Sign

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Speaker 1: up and become an activist. I gave my life to

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Speaker 2: Viewers Welcome to Man Rampant. It's wonderful to have this

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Speaker 2: this episode with Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk is the CEO

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Speaker 2: and founder of Turning Point USA and chief cook and

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Speaker 2: bottle washer. There. That is right, that's right. Let's start

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Speaker 2: with that. How did you become conservative? Did you have

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Speaker 1: It organically it started. I was a Christian first. I

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Speaker 1: In addition, though transgenderism is the logical endpoint of feminism.

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Speaker 1: men can do everything, women can do everything that men do.

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Speaker 1: And so fundamentally, transgenderism is the climax of that. After

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Speaker 2: So you've alluded to this a couple of times, but

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Speaker 2: not in these words. The late Andrew Breitbart said that

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Speaker 2: politics is downstream from culture. And then we've taught for

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Speaker 2: a number of years now, and culture is downstream from worship.

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Speaker 2: You become like what you worship. And because evangelical worship

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Speaker 2: in North America is anemic and compromised, and it's like

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Speaker 2: a room full of cotton candy. It's like there's not

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Speaker 2: much weight to it, not much gravitas, and so that

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Speaker 2: kind of worship has led to the corruptions and the

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Speaker 2: culture that we see. So worship is upstream from culture.

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Speaker 2: Culture is upstream from politics, and you can't go down

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Speaker 2: to Congress and say vote for this, or do that

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Speaker 2: or do the other thing. When the juggernaut of a

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Speaker 2: continent full of anemic worship and compromised, corrupted culture is

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Speaker 2: behind this measure, whatever it is pushing, would you agree

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Speaker 2: with that?

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Speaker 1: Though, yes, I mean as deep as you want. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what we worship in the West are the pagan gods

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Speaker 1: of old that have just largely been repurposed. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know you do a great job of this because

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Speaker 1: I read your book, Crispendom, and I also I love

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Speaker 1: I am a Canon plus subscriber as well, which is

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Speaker 1: honoring the Sabbath. It's actually my next book all about

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Speaker 1: the Sabbath. I think it's the most forgotten commandment by

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Speaker 1: the Western Christianity by far, and it is designed primarily

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Speaker 1: eliminated honoring the Sabbath. It says very clearly, for six

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Speaker 1: shall rest. Very clearly that seventh day is designed for

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Speaker 1: It literally is for that purpose.

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Speaker 2: And we are up a creek when we go to

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Speaker 2: talk to unbelievers about their violations of this commandment or

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Speaker 2: that committing go because they say, well, what about you

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Speaker 2: guys like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are working on Sunday or working on

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Speaker 1: tell or does it look like every other day? Holy

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Speaker 1: means separate in Hebrew? And we're supposed to keep the

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Speaker 1: Sabbath day holy. And if the Sabbath is not different

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Speaker 2: My dad said. My dad was born in nineteen twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: He said, when he was a boy in Nebraska, on

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Speaker 2: the Lord's Day, on the first day of the week,

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Speaker 2: the stores would like the pharmacies would rotate, which pharmacies

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Speaker 2: would be closed, the necessity stores, pharmacy, grocery store, that

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Speaker 2: sort of thing. They would rotate who's stayed open. And

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Speaker 2: that was just part of the culture. When I was

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Speaker 2: in Norfolk, Virginia, and there was a referendum in Virginia

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Speaker 2: in the seventies trying to get rid of the Sabbath laws,

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Speaker 2: the Blue laws, the Blue laws, and which were still

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Speaker 2: on the books and still enforced in the nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 2: And we've gone from Jesus said that man was not

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Speaker 2: made for the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man.

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Speaker 2: And we have got bought into this frenetic twenty four

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Speaker 2: to seven pace where you need andmphetimins to keep going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so a couple I could literally talk for

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Speaker 1: an hour on the Sabbath. It's a passionate topic of mine,

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Speaker 1: or the Shabbat if you prefer. Look the Hebrew word

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Speaker 1: for work is malacca, which is a very specific word.

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Speaker 1: You are only supposed to do that for six days.

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Speaker 1: The only difference between Deuteronomy and Exodus, where they repeat

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Speaker 1: ten Commandments in the Book of Deuteronomy, he says of course,

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Speaker 1: for six days you shall work. For the seventh day

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Speaker 1: you shall rest. And then he says, for you are

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Speaker 1: no longer slaves. In Egypt, only slaves work seven days.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of rich slaves. I know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that are slaves their workers, slaves to

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Speaker 1: their stuff. In fact, the Romans used to make fun

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Speaker 1: of the Jews, They like, why would they take a

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Speaker 1: Well they're still around and a lot of Romans are not. Right,

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Speaker 1: pretty good preservation tool. But look, I will just also say,

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Speaker 1: in a modern culture, truly honoring the Sabbath, how I honored.

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Speaker 1: I turn off my phone completely for thirty six hours.

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Speaker 1: I do the traditional Jewish Sabbath. It's my own liking

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Speaker 1: whatever from Friday night to Sunday morning. And I could

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Speaker 1: tell you it's really hard, and it is. You have

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Speaker 1: to almost fight your flesh to do it, to not

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Speaker 1: want to return an email, to not want to return

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Speaker 1: a text message. And because in some ways you're worshiping

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Speaker 1: with your time, You're saying that I'm sanctifying this space.

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Speaker 1: It is a standing appointment with our creator, saying that

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Speaker 1: you matter so much. I'm going to give one seventh

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Speaker 1: of my week to you in glory and worship. So

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Speaker 1: I completely agree with that. And the modern church unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: does not even worship the God that you and I

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Speaker 1: would consider to be, you know, the God of the

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Speaker 1: heavens and the earth. It's a broken, fragmented American Christian Church.

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Speaker 2: How do you answer the charge that you have been

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Speaker 2: co opted by a politician, the politician Trump or the

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Speaker 2: Republican Party, or do you go around making Republicans happy?

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Speaker 1: Look, I yeah, right, no, pose a lot of Republicans.

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Speaker 1: For example, I've spoken out about against both of your

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Speaker 1: US senators in the state of which I would like

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Speaker 1: to see primaries happen. So no, I do not operate

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Speaker 1: just to try to make Republicans happy. You guys deserve

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Speaker 1: better senators. Let me tell you right now, you guys

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Speaker 1: deserve better senators. The fact that there's not outspread applause

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Speaker 1: because you guys are so no one can criticize me

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Speaker 1: just to kind of carry the water of the Republican Party. Okay,

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Speaker 1: but I can tell you right now you have two

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Speaker 1: war mongering senators here in this state that sent a

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Speaker 1: lot of money to Ukraine and didn't do anything to

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Speaker 1: try to close the southern border when Biden was present. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: besides that, they're great people.

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Speaker 2: So other than that, how was the place exactly?

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Speaker 1: No, but I get so the charge. I just needed

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Speaker 1: to say that. But look, Jesus is always number one

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Speaker 1: in my life. That's that's very important. I will bring

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Speaker 1: what I know to be true into the political domain.

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Speaker 1: And I believe we as Christians are called to be

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Speaker 1: counselors to the king, you know, to be counselor to

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Speaker 1: the politician, as Daniel was or Mordecai, that if I

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Speaker 1: can influence for moral and righteous or good purposes. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was pretty awesome when I was able to in

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Speaker 1: the early days of this administration advocate to President Trump, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I really think you should pardon all these pro lifers

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Speaker 1: that are in jail right now for the Face Act.

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Speaker 1: That was awesome. Now, I I'm not I don't deserve credit,

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Speaker 1: to be perfectly clear, I don't deserve credit for that.

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Speaker 1: But it was really confirming that all that advocacy gave

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Speaker 1: me proximity to a man with a pen that was

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Speaker 1: able to get all these amazing pro life warriors out

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Speaker 1: of prison. It was pretty awesome when Jad asked me.

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Speaker 1: He's like, hey, should I speak at the March for Life?

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Speaker 1: I said, absolutely, So, just little things like that where

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Speaker 1: I can use the proximity that the Lord has given

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Speaker 1: me to try to push for things that I believe

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Speaker 1: are pleasing to the Lord.

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Speaker 2: Little things that are actually enormous things.

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Speaker 1: No, of course, but by little I mean that they

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Speaker 1: add up and meaning that they are daily decisions that

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Speaker 1: need to be made. Another one where again I don't

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Speaker 1: deserve credit, but I was pushing. I said, guys, you

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Speaker 1: know Steven Miller, And again they deserve the credit. They

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Speaker 1: did it, but I was of we need an executive

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Speaker 1: order prohibiting gender affirming care for minors. We need an

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Speaker 1: executive order saying only men in female sports. And so I,

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Speaker 1: amongst many other great voices, are trying to be that

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Speaker 1: counselor to the king, counselor to the President that I

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Speaker 1: believe is a biblical role.

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Speaker 2: Right. So back, if we rewind in the history of

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Speaker 2: North American conservatism, William Buckley, when he was just out

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Speaker 2: of Yale, wrote God and Man at Yale and sort

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Speaker 2: of wound up launching the modern conservative resurgence that culminated

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Speaker 2: in the election of Reagan, right, Okay. Part of that

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Speaker 2: project was the fusionist project of Meyer of hawks, you know,

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Speaker 2: anti libertism. So you had like three major strands bundled

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Speaker 2: up together in this fusionist project. The Hawks wanted to

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Speaker 2: defeat Russia and Nicole Soviet Union in the Cold War,

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Speaker 2: and the culture warriors wanted we're concerned about the morality,

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Speaker 2: and then the free market guys wanted less regulations and

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Speaker 2: all of that. I'm sure you're up against some of

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Speaker 2: the similar currents. If you looked at Turning Point, what

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Speaker 2: kind of it's obviously a conservative activist organization. Is it

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Speaker 2: one of those strands or another one, or is it

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Speaker 2: a neo fusionist project or is it more eclectic than that.

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Speaker 1: It's probably eclectic, because look, we're a membership organization. And

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Speaker 1: then a lot of what Turning Point of spouses are

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Speaker 1: my beliefs. So I'll tell you what I believe, and

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Speaker 1: then it kind of goes downstream from there, which is like, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm first and foremost a Christian, and I need to

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Speaker 1: just repeat that, right, I believe that we want a

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Speaker 1: strong country. I'm resolutely America first. I think that it

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Speaker 1: is against our own best interests to continue to engage

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Speaker 1: in these neo and peerialist wars. So I'm not a

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Speaker 1: neo conservative at all. I think that our own borders

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Speaker 1: matter a lot more than the borders of a foreign country,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's a long past time that our

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Speaker 1: leaders would start to prioritize the well being of our

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Speaker 1: own citizens, not those of foreign nations. Not that crazy

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Speaker 1: of the concept, right, So you can call that a nationalist,

644
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Speaker 1: you can call that a conservative or whatever. Where I

645
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: am involved in a very serious and spirited battle, which

646
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Speaker 1: goes to my prior comment about your senators is that

647
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Speaker 1: I think neo conservatism has no place in the Republican Party,

648
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,839
Speaker 1: and that's where a lot of people get upset. So

649
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: what is neo conservatism. That's not even hawkish stuff. Neo

650
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: conservatism is beyond that. Neo Conservatism is a form of Marxism. Literally,

651
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: it's a branch of Trotskyism, which is to believe that

652
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: America exists primarily as a global empire to go and

653
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: try and tell other countries what to do and how

654
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Speaker 1: to do it. We're going to invade the world, and

655
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: then we will invite the world world. That America is

656
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: a colony and will be a series of colonies. We

657
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 1: reject this because neo conservatism prioritizes GDP over God. Neo

658
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: conservatism prioritizes mass migration over the well being of native

659
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Speaker 1: born Americans. Neo conservatism will say that by all means,

660
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Speaker 1: necessarily ms use force, and around every corner there's a

661
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: dragon waiting to destroy us. We need to have war

662
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: with the Russia, war with Iran. We need to be sable,

663
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: rattling around every corner. And I ask people, has that

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Speaker 1: worked the last twenty years. George W. Bush is a

665
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Speaker 1: perfect example of the neo conservative. Okay, that is like

666
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: he's basically him and Liz Cheney and Dick Cheney is

667
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: like central casting. The Iraq War I think was a disaster.

668
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: I think it was a total mistake. It never should

669
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Speaker 1: have happened. The war in Afghanistan was I think prosecuted incorrectly,

670
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: never should have been a long nation building you know,

671
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 1: kind of changed the hearts and minds of the people

672
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Speaker 1: of Afghanistan. War. So in that fusionism, I look at

673
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: those kids on a college campus, I think to myself,

674
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: they deserve better than leaders that are trying to get

675
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: them closer to an unnecessarily unnecessary Third World War, while

676
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: simultaneously not embracing this idea that the American foreign policy

677
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: project has at its best of the last twenty years

678
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: been overly aggressive, at its worst, actually sowed the seeds

679
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Speaker 1: of our own demise. Look at elon Omar, who we

680
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: don't like, who's in Congress. How did she come? She's

681
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: a perfect example of neo conservatism. We get involved in

682
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Speaker 1: Somalia because of the Somalian Civil War, We invade them,

683
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: We feel bad, so we bring a bunch of Somalians

684
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Speaker 1: into our country because we're totally must have mass migration.

685
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: So one is a prerequisite to the other. And so

686
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Speaker 1: the Republican Party has a lot of different views on

687
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: big issues, but neo conservatism at its core, where they

688
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,879
Speaker 1: are trying to stoke conflict where it shouldn't exist, where

689
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: they care more about foreign nations other than our own.

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Speaker 2: Would you say the DNA of as you're defining the

691
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Speaker 2: neo conservative of the DNA of it is globalist.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is a great another term for it. It's

693
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Speaker 1: it's one that looks at the Great American Empire.

694
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Speaker 2: Gay gae.

695
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Speaker 1: That its spheres of influence goes all the way from

696
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Speaker 1: Ukraine like hold on time out timeout, we have very

697
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Speaker 1: distinct borders. Why don't you start caring about it. Here's

698
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: the problem in the oconservatism. Neo Conservatism is highly obsessed

699
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Speaker 1: with the enrichment of the capitol class and is completely

700
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Speaker 1: ignoring of the well being of its own citizens. You

701
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: see this best on display when you have homeless people

702
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 1: that are vets that can't get care. You see this

703
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: on display of mass Drugger overdoses. And we have to

704
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Speaker 1: be lectured that the greatest enemy to America is Latimir Putin.

705
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's not the greatest enemy to America by

706
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Speaker 1: any means necessary. I don't like Vladimir Putin. I don't

707
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Speaker 1: think he's good. But a much bigger problem to Vitamin

708
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Speaker 1: than Latimin Putin is the American left that is ignored

709
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Speaker 1: and left people behind, or public sector teacher union.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, here here would be a I think an

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Speaker 2: important distinction in this. I concur with that what you're

712
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Speaker 2: saying there. Would you make a distinction, as I would,

713
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Speaker 2: between the use of the US military in nation building exercises,

714
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Speaker 2: which would be more Raq Afghanistan right, as opposed to

715
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Speaker 2: what President Trump is currently doing to the Houties. So

716
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Speaker 2: the Houties are attacking shipping going through the Red Sea,

717
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Speaker 2: and we've said we're not going to try to build

718
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Speaker 2: anything in Yemen. We're blowing things up until they stop

719
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: shooting at the ships. Right. Would you say, yeah, that's

720
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Speaker 2: an area where I differ with Trump or do you

721
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Speaker 2: see that a distinction between sort of an aggressive, short

722
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Speaker 2: defensive action like that versus nation building projects.

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Speaker 1: I totally see what Trump's doing there. I don't know

724
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Speaker 1: enough about it to have a strong I don't know

725
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: the complexities. I think that we should exercise caution when

726
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: meddling in other country's affairs. But I'll just be very

727
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: honest with you something that I'm against. I don't think

728
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Speaker 1: we should bomb Rani a nuclear facility. I just don't.

729
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Speaker 1: I think it'd be a huge mistake. It's an active

730
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Speaker 1: war against a major country. You go to war with Persia,

731
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: it will bring your country down. The American people do

732
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Speaker 1: not rise up in major numbers because we want war

733
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Speaker 1: with the run. That was never part of the deal, Okay,

734
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Speaker 1: it was never like, Hey, America, first, comma, We're going

735
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Speaker 1: to go do a bunch of you know, targeted strikes

736
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Speaker 1: on the main the inland of Iran. So that's just

737
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Speaker 1: where I would say that that would be a catastrophic mistake.

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Speaker 1: And so but beyond that, I just want to make

739
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Speaker 1: sure that we are clear kind of why we believe this.

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Speaker 1: We have so many pressing problems at home, and our

741
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Speaker 1: leaders are internationally obsessed and they are domestically ignorant, and

742
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Speaker 1: they don't care to know that we have a suicide

743
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Speaker 1: problem with our nation's young people. They don't care to

744
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Speaker 1: know that we are having a fertility crisis in the West,

745
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: and so again they ignore the problems and the neo

746
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Speaker 1: conservative solution every problem is what the religion of neo conservatism,

747
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: beyond invasion is mass migration. Bring as many people into

748
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Speaker 1: the country as you possibly can, regardless if they can't

749
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Speaker 1: assimilate or they can't have cultural cohesion because one plays

750
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Speaker 1: into the other. Why. Because they don't believe in nationality,

751
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: that's the important point. They are globalist. They'll say, oh,

752
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Speaker 1: come on, why can't you bring a bunch of people

753
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Speaker 1: in Somalia, Why can't you bring a bunch of people

754
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,879
Speaker 1: from Gaza, Why can't you bring a bunch of people

755
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Speaker 1: from Syria in And we know that you cannot bring

756
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Speaker 1: people from the third World. Do you bring in the

757
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: third world, you become the third World.

758
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Speaker 2: I'd be happy. I'd be willing to bring people in

759
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Speaker 2: from Gaza if we put them in Martha's.

760
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Speaker 1: Vineyard and they won't be received there, that's for sure.

761
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Speaker 1: But no, I just look, it says very clearly in

762
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Speaker 1: the scriptures, demand the welfare of the nation that you

763
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Speaker 1: are in, because your welfare is your nation's welfare Jeremia,

764
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: twenty nine to seven. And so I think we far overreached.

765
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Speaker 1: And I know that as I speak for our nation's

766
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Speaker 1: young people, I have known just you understand my passionate

767
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: perspective on this. From my earliest memory, we have been

768
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Speaker 1: a nation at war. One of my earliest memories is

769
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Speaker 1: nine to eleven, and we had a no win war

770
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Speaker 1: at Rack and a no win war in Afghanistan. And

771
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: now we're heavily involved in no win war with Russia

772
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Speaker 1: and Ukraine. And I just asked myself, could that eight

773
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: trillion dollars have been better spent? Like what did we

774
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: get for that? And I think that philosophy at its

775
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: core is one that is globalist, not nationalistic.

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Speaker 2: One of the one of the tenants is of this

777
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Speaker 2: electoral revolution that just happened in the twenty twenty election

778
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Speaker 2: was no to endless war totally. So there's Trump clearly

779
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: believes in a strong military, but he also believes that

780
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: there's bloat, excess and all kinds of dirty deeds going

781
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Speaker 2: on in Pentagon contracts. So he's an odd He's not

782
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Speaker 2: a pacifist, not a passion by no means, but he's

783
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Speaker 2: not a nation builder either. And so when we when

784
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: we say no to endless war, we're saying no to

785
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Speaker 2: the globalist enterprise, no to the idea that we are

786
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: somehow the savior of the world. Correct. So on immigration,

787
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: there are evangelical leaders who used to have a lot

788
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Speaker 2: more authority to speak, maybe seven or eight years ago

789
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Speaker 2: than they do now. The New York Times when they

790
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 2: wanted to talk to an evangelical would call up Russ

791
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 2: Moore or David French or someone like that and say,

792
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 2: what's the evangelical take on this? And the evangelical elite

793
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: was also in favor of open borders and very loose

794
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Speaker 2: immigration policy. And the illustration I've used for this is

795
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Speaker 2: imagine a Christian couple that with a couple of kids

796
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Speaker 2: of their own and they take in two foster kids,

797
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Speaker 2: and they're doing very well with the four, and everybody's

798
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Speaker 2: thriving and happy. And then one day a short bus

799
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Speaker 2: from the state shows up with twenty eight extra foster kids,

800
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Speaker 2: and they dump off twenty eight more foster kids, and

801
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Speaker 2: the father of Jacks and then one of the evangelical

802
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: leaders says, I think that you're not showing an ethic

803
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Speaker 2: of hospitality here. Christians should love their neighbors, Christians should

804
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Speaker 2: be open to foster children. And he could say, well,

805
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 2: I was open to them, and I was taking good

806
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Speaker 2: care of the two, which I thought we could do.

807
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: I was loving my own two. I was loving these

808
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Speaker 2: foster kids. But if you drop off those twenty eight,

809
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be loving anybody. I'm The twenty

810
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: eight are going to lose, the two foster kids are

811
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Speaker 2: going to lose, and my own kids are going to lose.

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Speaker 2: You have just crippled me. You've not made you've not

813
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: been charitable, You've made charity impossible. Right the case, So

814
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Speaker 2: the issue is not whether someone could legally immigrate from

815
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Speaker 2: another country. The issue is chaos, right.

816
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Speaker 1: And I would go even a step further, which is

817
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Speaker 1: that you don't have to have any immigration. I know

818
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Speaker 1: that sounds like a radical view. You actually don't have to.

819
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Speaker 1: We have gone through plenty of periods in this country's history.

820
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Speaker 1: We had almost no immigration, from like the nineteen twenties

821
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Speaker 1: to the nineteen sixties. And I think that immigration, the

822
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Speaker 1: sales point for immigration is always one of the following, Well,

823
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: they won't do the jobs that will do okay, well

824
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Speaker 1: with mass robotics or AI. That's not going to be

825
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 1: true anymore. By the way, how insulting the American people.

826
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Speaker 1: I think that American people with a fair wage would

827
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Speaker 1: actually do a lot of these jobs, and so if

828
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Speaker 1: their wages weren't always being undercut. So the other thing

829
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Speaker 1: they say is, well, diversity is our strength. No it's not. Actually,

830
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: diversity is not a strength. Okay, Now, show me any

831
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: country that has mass importation of foreigners and gets stronger

832
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: like ever. In fact, Moses specifically warned against this in

833
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: the end of Deuteronomy eight, exactly where he says they

834
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Speaker 1: will become your masters. There is like a cautionary tail there.

835
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Speaker 2: They will be the head, you will be the tail.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and so And finally, as we care about

837
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Speaker 1: the nation, I just I think the charitable way of

838
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: looking at it is so right. Is this kind of

839
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: like guilt complex that seeps into evangelicalism, which is that, well,

840
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: everyone says America is awful, and we're going to atone

841
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: to our sins by allowing everybody that wants to come

842
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: in here at all times. While they're actually not loving

843
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: their neighbor, they're importing a foreigner. It's two totally different things.

844
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Speaker 1: They're very slow to actually go help their neighbor who's

845
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: an American, but somehow they want to go bring in

846
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: like a Honduran or a Vietnamese, which, again, if you

847
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: have a good heart for that, terrific, that's fine. But

848
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Speaker 1: a fact is this is that America is collapsing because

849
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: we are a nation of strangers. We speak different languages,

850
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: we have different origin stories, we have different cultural backgrounds,

851
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Speaker 1: and one that I think we can all agree on

852
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: as Christians, we are we should look at Europe with

853
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: shock and with awe and say that Islam is incompatible

854
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Speaker 1: with Western civilization. That is mass migration. You're not going

855
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Speaker 1: to convert these the Muslims in big numbers to Christianity.

856
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: They're going to want to convert you, and they have

857
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Speaker 1: a lot more kids than we do, by the way,

858
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Speaker 1: a lot. The number one birth name in London, in Birmingham,

859
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Speaker 1: in Edinburgh is Mohammad. They seek to conquer and to

860
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Speaker 1: grow and to explode their influence, and they're very good

861
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Speaker 1: at it. Because Islam, you know, we as Christians, we

862
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: kind of dance around like is there a political doctrine

863
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Speaker 1: for Christianity or not? And you know, Islam makes no

864
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Speaker 1: apology that it is a nakedly political ideology that's disguised

865
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Speaker 1: as a religion. And like, they make no apology. It's

866
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Speaker 1: well within their teaching that we come here to institute

867
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Speaker 1: a government of a certain structure which eventually will be

868
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Speaker 1: Sharia law, and we're inviting that into our country. Is

869
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: it is slow motion suicide? And so and the final

870
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Speaker 1: point they'll say is like, well the West is not

871
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Speaker 1: having enough children. Oh really, well, maybe we would have

872
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Speaker 1: a million abortions every single year, we wouldn't need mass migration.

873
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: Maybe if we didn't have you know, kids that are

874
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Speaker 1: on the pill with birth control, we wouldn't need to

875
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Speaker 1: import you know, massive amount of third worlders into our country.

876
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Speaker 1: And so look, I'm of the opinion that we should

877
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Speaker 1: have a full pause on immigration, both legal and illegal.

878
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: We have way too many people in this country right now.

879
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: We have a public services issue, we have a wage issue,

880
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: we have a crime issue. And call me radical, but

881
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: again I think the American citizens should always come first.

882
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 1: A government is constituted to fulfill its mandate to its people.

883
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 1: It stops at its borders, and its failure to do

884
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Speaker 1: that has really led to the rise of Donald Trump.

885
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Speaker 2: I wanted to circle back to something you touched on

906
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: earlier and develop it maybe a little bit more. You

907
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Speaker 2: mentioned all the men who have started to show up

908
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 2: at your events. Young men have been moving steadily to

909
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: the right, becoming more conservative. A lot of them are

910
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: The world that they've inherited just isn't working for them.

911
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: And you mentioned all the major institution name war, institution

912
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Speaker 2: in American life that hasn't thoroughly discredited itself in the

913
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Speaker 2: last ten years, all of them media, military, including the church.

914
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Speaker 2: So young men who want to be taught, instructed and

915
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Speaker 2: led are where do I go? Where do I go?

916
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Speaker 2: And And so they're they're showing up at your events

917
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Speaker 2: and there are a lot of them. One downside, one

918
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Speaker 2: challenge every with everything that happens, there's always going to

919
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: be a temptation that accompanies it. And one of them

920
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Speaker 2: here is that a lot of these young men are

921
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: so disillusioned with everything that they have gone into some

922
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 2: pretty dark corners of the Internet and have started to

923
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: listen to jew hate conspiracy theories. And of course we

924
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Speaker 2: have the joke you know, I'm going to need some

925
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Speaker 2: new conspiracy theories because all of mine are coming true,

926
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Speaker 2: right right, Yeah, there are some. There are some conspiracy

927
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Speaker 2: things theories that are really dank, they're really bad. And

928
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Speaker 2: then there are the conspiracy theories that are people who

929
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Speaker 2: just have eyes in their head and they they don't

930
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Speaker 2: believe the lies that are coming out of their television set. Right,

931
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Speaker 2: So make that distinction. But some of these men are

932
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Speaker 2: pretty are broken, bleeding, hurting, and they are hostile to everything.

933
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Speaker 2: And so your your support for Israel, for example, will animate, yes,

934
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Speaker 2: animate them. You will probably get feedback. And that's where

935
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Speaker 2: how just aside from the specific answer to the question,

936
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Speaker 2: one of them might ask, how how would you address

937
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: sort of the root cause of this young male rootlessness,

938
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Speaker 2: fatherlessness that is resulting in adoption of some really bad

939
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: political theologies.

940
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Speaker 1: It's a great question. So I guess asked frequently, why

941
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 1: are men rebelling in such great numbers. There's a lot

942
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: of answers, but one that is almost never mentioned, and

943
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: I think I was the first one to present this.

944
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Speaker 1: Young men do not like taking orders from women. They

945
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: don't period. Do you want to get young men to

946
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: rebel them? Have a bunch of women barking at them,

947
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Speaker 1: especially crazy liberal.

948
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Speaker 2: Women, and you ladies afterwards, don't ask your guy if

949
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: that's true.

950
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's And so you think about it. You

951
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Speaker 1: have a seventeen year old man, you young man, I

952
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: should say, where everything around him is falling apart, his kid,

953
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Speaker 1: his friends are committing suicide, they're all addicted to porn.

954
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Speaker 1: And then he all of a sudden shows up at

955
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Speaker 1: age eighteen at a college campus where some like childless,

956
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Speaker 1: forty five year old cat woman is telling him that

957
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: he's the problem because he's toxically masculine, and he's like,

958
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: forget this, Like I'm going to go find somewhere else

959
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 1: where I'm at least validated as a man. And again

960
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: you could say, like, oh, well, we have to teach

961
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: men to be able to take orders from women. That's

962
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: a state of nature, guys. It's just that that's not

963
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: going to You have to understand that young men in

964
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: particular are trying to figure out how to become a

965
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: man and not a boy. They're trying to understand also

966
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: how to deal with physical violence. That's why young men

967
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: without fathers are much more likely to engage in acts

968
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: of violent crime murder, arson, kidnapping, whatever, gang violence, because

969
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: they've never actually had a male figure to have them

970
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: wrestle with the idea like what is it actually? What

971
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: is good? Use of force? Actually means? They have totally

972
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: distorted And then even beyond that, the entire culture is

973
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: hyper hyper feminized. Now what do I mean by that?

974
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: I mean feminine qualities at its best would be an

975
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: appeal to emotion. We have thrown reason out the window,

976
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: and the entire cons the current constitution of the postmodernist

977
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: view is that the worst thing that you can be

978
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: in America is a white Anglo Saxon Christian, hetero heterosexual male,

979
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: of which I am one. Right, So you're looking at

980
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: like the chief villain, and the only way you can

981
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: atone for that is by becoming a liberal or transitioning

982
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 1: to become a woman and men are the problem. Men

983
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: are the cancer. They're a tumor that must be removed.

984
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 1: And it has created mass cultural chaos.

985
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: And you have made all that list of that litany

986
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 2: of things that you are one degree worse, ten degrees

987
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 2: worse because add to it apologetic, unapologetic Christian right, yes,

988
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: unapologetic for everything. Yes, that's the whole list.

989
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: And so that I'm like the chief villain, assume me, yes,

990
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: exactly when I supposed to do, stop existing, And they'll say,

991
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: basically some of them will be like, yes, I mean

992
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: you think I'm kidding. I mean so so you The

993
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: cultural paradigm right now is a rebellion of the men

994
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: of the West happening in every major country where young

995
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: men are finding podcasts like ours. They're finding other you know,

996
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: information conduits that believe in nature, believe in God's design,

997
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: believe that men should have to stand up for the vulnerable,

998
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: create a family, provide for the family, have to to

999
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: protect the weak, to fight the battles of society, to

1000
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: go on an adventure. This is very appealing to young

1001
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: men when they hear it, and they're not getting any

1002
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 1: of that. Instead, they get a well, the hero's journey

1003
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: that they get is not the story of Abraham. It's

1004
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's the story of well, become a

1005
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 1: social justice warrior and get a degree in sociology and

1006
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: like go become a social worker. Like that's your hero's

1007
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: journey to like go become a guidance counselor to help

1008
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: kids become trans right, Like that's how you redeem yourself.

1009
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: And like, young men know that it's like against my soul,

1010
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: Like I'm called to go into the wilderness. I mean

1011
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: what like Abraham left, Abraham left his dad's house means

1012
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: like one hundred and twenty or something, right, I mean

1013
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 1: you would know it's pretty old, like seventy or something.

1014
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: Every young boy wants that call to adventure, to leave

1015
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: his father's home and to go do something out in

1016
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: the wilderness, to do something of the exactly. And again

1017
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: I'm not the first one to diagnosis. Jordan Peterson's been

1018
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: on this for quite a while.

1019
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: Right.

1020
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: What I'm getting at, though, is the political side is

1021
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: what people missed is that there's a lot that you

1022
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: can call Donald Trump. No one has ever called him

1023
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: feminine in a toxically feminine world. Again, all the media

1024
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 1: missed this in almost every cultural critic miss that we

1025
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: didn't in a toxically feminine world. You have the absolute

1026
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: inverse of that, which is like ultra masculine, never apologize,

1027
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: red tie, big play, super rich, supermodel wife. Right, it's

1028
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: gonna be big and Mexico's gonna pay for it, and

1029
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: we get more tariffs and it's like as bravado as

1030
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: strong man as you can get. And young men didn't

1031
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: care that, you know, I don't. It wasn't even about policy.

1032
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: That's what people don't understand is that it was partially policy.

1033
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: Was like, no, he is the middle finger to all

1034
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: of the screeching hall monitors that have told me I

1035
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: have to use certain pronouns, that have told me that

1036
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: like I'm bad for existing, that have penalized me for

1037
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: my existence. And Trump is the big fu to the

1038
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: feminist establishment that has not been challenged my entire life.

1039
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: Right, And there you have a coach and analysis of

1040
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty elections. Twenty twenty four. Yeah so twenty

1041
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: twenty four.

1042
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: No, yeah, but I could go on forever.

1043
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, well, thank you so much, very good, thank you,

1044
00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 2: thank you. You want me to stay for questerns or get Yeah,

1045
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 2: we're going to say. So if you have if you

1046
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: have a question, line up with the mic here and

1047
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 2: then someone authoritative will cut it off when it's time

1048
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: to be done.

1049
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 4: So I listened to your podcast interview with Gavin Newsom.

1050
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

1051
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 4: And as a former Californian, I'm just curious. Do you

1052
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 4: think he's gonna successfully pull this reinvention off?

1053
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: No, I don't. I mean he's going to try to

1054
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: be the Democrat nominee. I don't profess to no Democrat politics.

1055
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: I will say, like, no joke. Bernie drew a huge

1056
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: crowded boise a couple of days ago. Like I'm telling you,

1057
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: it's twelve thousand people. That's not easy to do. We

1058
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: drew a big crowd to a boise, but the Boys

1059
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: State not that big. The Democrats are going to go

1060
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: through a very difficult chapter right now. I'll pray for.

1061
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 2: Them and pray this chapter eleven.

1062
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, exactly, exactly, check exactly. So the I don't

1063
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: know who the Democrat nomine is going to be. Not

1064
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: going to pretend, but there is uh. I don't think

1065
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: the Democrats will be able to be competitive in the

1066
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: battleground states if they still stay married to their mass

1067
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Speaker 1: migration trans zelotry. If they allow the purple hair gi

1068
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Speaker 1: hotties to continue to run their party, Uh, I think

1069
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: they're going to be uncompetitive in the Swing States.

1070
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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks for coming out. I really appreciate you doing this,

1071
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 5: and I have a question Connor for you. I'd love

1072
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 5: to hear Pastor Wilson chime in on as well. But

1073
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 5: I've heard Jordan Peterson say something to young men in particular,

1074
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 5: something on the lines of if you're not going to

1075
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 5: if you're not going to college, you should do something

1076
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 5: as difficult or more difficult. One of the big topics

1077
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 5: you've been speaking on at college campus is the idea

1078
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 5: that college is a scam.

1079
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: Correct.

1080
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 5: What do you think the solution is for aimless young

1081
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 5: men who struggle to find a purpose And if they

1082
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 5: don't have a mission, should they go to college with

1083
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 5: the hopes of finding one through pursuing a degree or

1084
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 5: is college too dangerous of an environment for young men

1085
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 5: seeking purpose? Like what's the alternative?

1086
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, this is a generalization. I can

1087
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 1: tell you this though, that boys do not become men

1088
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: at college. They don't. In fact, they stay boys. And

1089
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why, generally is that they get

1090
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: everything that they could possibly want. They don't have to

1091
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 1: work for it. This is why feminism is bad for everybody,

1092
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: men included. So the feminist stick is they tell a

1093
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: bunch of young women, hey, have as much sex as

1094
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: you possibly can. I know, we got kids in the audience,

1095
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: but you know, it's just what it's have as much

1096
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: sex as you possibly can. And so the girls are like,

1097
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: oh okay, and so they do that. So then the

1098
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: men don't actually have to be impressive or work to

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01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: get what they want because all the women are free

1100
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 1: and easy on these campuses, and so they don't have

1101
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: to grow up. They don't have to shave, they're off

1102
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: to shower, they don't have to stop doing weed, they

1103
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: don't have to, you know, be impressive. So in the

1104
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: olden days, in order to even court a woman, you

1105
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: got to be a pretty impressive guy. You had to

1106
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: have your act together. And now all of a sudden,

1107
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: the women throw themselves all over the place. And so

1108
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: it's a very simple supply and demand issue. So I'm

1109
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 1: against college for a lot of different reasons. That's one

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01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: of them. I also just don't think it makes you

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01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: wiser at all. I mean, you might no more stuff,

1112
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: but wisdom is the knowledge of things that do not

1113
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: change and studying of the great books and the great ideas.

1114
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: Now there are exceptions, I'm sure there's I know there's

1115
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: a great uh there's a great college up here in

1116
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: Idaho somewhere.

1117
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh.

1118
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: So that would be the exception. But I mean, I'll

1119
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: just tell you. I mean, like Washington State University. One

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01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: of the first you guys saw at that professor that

1121
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: came up these he's a moron, Like, why would you

1122
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: spend money to learn from this guy? He is you know, seriously,

1123
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: he's an anthropology or whatever sociology professor. He knows nothing,

1124
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 1: Like he's like, there's nothing there. Okay, there's no reason

1125
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: for you to go into debt to learn from this

1126
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: guy other than get their credential. And so there's there's

1127
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot that young men can do.

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Speaker 2: But the bottom line is, I would say do hard things,

1129
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: and college should be hard, and it's not, and it's not.

1130
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: And there are places where you could make it hard.

1131
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 2: You can make a point of it of it being

1132
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: difficult and challenging. You could double major and engineering and

1133
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: something else. That's difficult. Men need a challenge, they need

1134
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 2: to work hard. The problem is that state colleges they

1135
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: make you run the gauntlet of other gunk in order

1136
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: to get your engineering degree, So you have to be

1137
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: very selective and very picky. I have a friend who

1138
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 2: many years ago, in his non Christian days, was a

1139
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 2: sociology major, and he got stoned out of his gourd

1140
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 2: and went and took his sociology final and he aced it,

1141
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: and his conclusion was, I have got to change majors.

1142
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: So he went into microbiology and was converted later. It

1143
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 2: was a success story. But basically, men need to work hard,

1144
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 2: and they need a challenge, and they should not be

1145
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old guy should not be left up

1146
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: to his own devices to seek out that which is hard,

1147
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 2: because they're going to make the path of least resistance

1148
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 2: very very easy for him. So I would say get council, parents,

1149
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 2: pastor other people. But young man, if you're between seventeen

1150
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 2: and twenty two, do hard things. Basically ensure that ensure

1151
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 2: that it's hard.

1152
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: Hey, straight from the front lines.

1153
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 6: Absolutely, thank you for coming to Moscow, Charlie. My question

1154
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 6: is I noticed your co op drink there GPUSA works

1155
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 6: primarily on a national level. How can we find local

1156
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 6: political battles.

1157
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: That's actually a better question for Doug, because I actually

1158
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't do a lot of local political battles, Like

1159
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: I resist getting on my condo board because that, by

1160
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 1: the way, that's vicious, just curious work click. I would

1161
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: be curious what your answers.

1162
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 2: So I would say that locally. We said earlier that

1163
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: cultures downstream from worship, I would say, at the local level,

1164
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: you want to get find a church that teaches the Bible,

1165
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 2: join it, throw yourself into the work of it. Grow

1166
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 2: that community where the community becomes salt and light at

1167
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 2: a local level such that non believers notice, and then

1168
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 2: some of the controversies after that will start taking care

1169
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: of themselves.

1170
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: Well said, Hi, I have a question as a mom.

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Speaker 7: I'm asking you for practical advice about how we fight

1172
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 7: against feminism. And I'm how familiar, how familiar you are

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01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 7: with our community. But we have plenty of kids in

1174
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 7: our community. I have ten my children now.

1175
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: We have some five adopted. I'm kidding, yeah, in our.

1176
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 7: Little bubble, it's not all that uncommon, amazing, So my

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01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,600
Speaker 7: kids are are well taught about feminism, and my sons

1178
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 7: and my daughters are. But for example, you mentioned women

1179
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 7: or sorry men in sports, but you often don't hear

1180
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 7: about women that pushed into the boy Scouts or women,

1181
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 7: and that's coming from women. And so I guess that's

1182
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 7: just a general question of what advice can you give

1183
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 7: me as a mom to try to make a difference,

1184
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 7: not even for my kids, but maybe other young people

1185
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 7: that are not just hearing lies.

1186
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1187
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have advice for you, his mom,

1188
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: but I'll just say some general stuff that I think

1189
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 1: might be helpful. Is that, First of all, I'm an

1190
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 1: eagle scout, so I could tell you this is not hard.

1191
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: Boys need sex separate development spaces when they're trying to

1192
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: grow and mature. Every study shows this, and by the way,

1193
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: just it's so self evident you don't need a study

1194
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 1: to show this. That you have eight boys that are

1195
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,680
Speaker 1: the age of twelve, a single female that is in

1196
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: that circumstance changes the dynamic completely.

1197
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: Chaos.

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Speaker 1: Chaos. Now it's not even a female's fault. So this

1199
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Speaker 1: was study. This was interesting. So they did a boy

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Speaker 1: Scout thing where there was a high rate of failure task,

1201
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: so it was about like climbing a rope basically, and

1202
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 1: it's very hard and it requires team work and all.

1203
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: This sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: So they did it with just boys. It's fine. When

1205
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,439
Speaker 1: a boy would fail, they'd like get him up again,

1206
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 1: they would encourage him. It was very team there was

1207
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: no shame and failure when it was all boys. They

1208
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 1: introduced one female. It's all that they don't want to

1209
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: take the risk because they want to impress the singular female.

1210
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 1: The entire dynamic of teamwork of it's all completely splintered,

1211
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: and honestly it was. It's incredibly damaging to young boys

1212
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: development to get rid of boys only spaces to become men.

1213
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Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's an awful development. I girls in

1214
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: the Boy Scouts is one of the most disturbing developments

1215
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: and something that was once a good into the Boy

1216
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: Scouts are not. You should you should find what is

1217
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: that other thing, the True North or Happy Trails.

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01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,959
Speaker 8: Trail Yeah, trail life, yeah, trail happy Trails yeah there yeah,

1219
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 8: so but not boys the Boy Scouts is it is

1220
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 8: it it's a it's a husk of its former self

1221
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 8: and that's too bad because there's former presidents and Astra

1222
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 8: that were Eagle Scouts and myself, and it's terrible.

1223
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 1: But more than anything else like that, what is the

1224
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: root of the feminist lie that it comes into Christianity

1225
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: when parents tell their kids their daughters you can do

1226
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: everything men can do, and that's bs it's not true.

1227
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: You shouldn't say that to your sons. You shouldn't say

1228
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: it's your daughters. You should say you are uniquely gifted

1229
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: to do some things that men cannot do, and they're

1230
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: uniquely gifted to do some things that you cannot do.

1231
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Speaker 2: Amen, thank you, Thank you, Charlie.

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01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 9: And some of your videos when you've somebody has asked you,

1233
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 9: how do you actually know that the Bible is true

1234
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 9: or that God exists? Your response has been, well, if

1235
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 9: I'm dealing with a secularist, I will try to prove

1236
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 9: it using reason alone. And I know that Doug has

1237
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 9: a different approach. He has more of a pre I

1238
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 9: don't know if you're familiar. It's a presuppositional or Antilian approach.

1239
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 9: I was hoping you guys can have maybe an exchange

1240
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 9: about apologetically.

1241
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I so, I mean, I don't even know

1242
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: if we're different on it, but help so Let's say

1243
01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 1: you're talking to Bill Maher and he says the Bible

1244
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: is not true? How how would how would the best

1245
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: way to respond?

1246
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:08,520
Speaker 2: I would ask him? What is he said? This marijuana

1247
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: is true? I say, you're you're sure of that? You're high,

1248
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 2: you know?

1249
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: And he'll say, oh, yeah, I am long time, I

1250
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 1: mean yeah.

1251
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 2: One of the mars like Hitchens, was where he gets off.

1252
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: He's got a dumb daick. He's very slick and very witty,

1253
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 2: incredibly and will win the crowd with the joke total

1254
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 2: when the when the point he's making is just totally lame,

1255
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 2: I completely agree. So that's where I struggle.

1256
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: I struggled with the the clever comic comedian and I'm

1257
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 1: pretty quick, but I mean he's he's very quick, fifty

1258
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: years of comedy.

1259
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 2: So what you what you do in this is say,

1260
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 2: let's let's talk as though both sides have to give

1261
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:53,879
Speaker 2: an account of what they believe is fundamentally true. Okay,

1262
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 2: So if he says I don't, he's ultimately he has

1263
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: to be a relativist. Atheists have to be a relativist, and.

1264
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: He's somewhat a knowledge Is that right?

1265
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 2: So how can you say that? What I'm saying is false.

1266
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 2: You don't know what's true. You can't call something crooked

1267
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: if you don't know what straight is. Basically, people like

1268
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: to say I'm an agnostic, and I would say, well,

1269
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 2: let's use the Latin word for that, which is ignoramus.

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01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 2: Right with that knowledge and agnostic is either an agnostic

1271
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 2: is either I don't know, I wish I did, and

1272
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 2: that's a seeker. There's I don't know, I don't know,

1273
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: and I don't care, which is sort of the frat

1274
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: boy approach, I don't bother me, And then I don't know.

1275
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 2: There's the dogmatic agnostic who says I don't know, you

1276
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 2: don't know, nobody can know. That's that would be his position, right,

1277
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 2: And I say, do you know that? How do you?

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Speaker 2: How do you know that? You're you're telling me that

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Speaker 2: there may or may not be a God, but if

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Speaker 2: there's a God, he is the kind of being who

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Speaker 2: cannot be known by us. And I'd say, what Sunday

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Speaker 2: School did you learn that? In You just made a

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Speaker 2: claim about God. You just told me that God cannot

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Speaker 2: reveal himself. How do you learn this great mystery about

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Speaker 2: God and God's inabilities? Right? So he a dogmatic agnostic

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Speaker 2: is assuming things from the Christian religion. He's assuming the

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Speaker 2: objectivity of truth.

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Speaker 1: How does that usually go? I mean does it? Where

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Speaker 1: does that conversation usually lead?

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Speaker 2: It usually leads to people remembering they have an appointment see.

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Speaker 1: Or making a joke. Or making a joke, I should

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Speaker 1: have talked beforehand, But yeah, I think that's the best way.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how success would have been given his

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Speaker 1: slippery nature. So but inevitably it will get to an

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Speaker 1: agreement that saying that there is that you don't know

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Speaker 1: is actually a truth claim.

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Speaker 2: Correct and C. S. Lewis says in Miracles, his book Miracles,

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Speaker 2: you can argue with a man who says rice is unwholesome,

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Speaker 2: but he says, you don't have to argue with a

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Speaker 2: man who says rice is on wholesome. But I'm not

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Speaker 2: saying this is true. The atheist has to say there

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Speaker 2: are no absolutes, and then do you believe that? Is

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Speaker 2: that an absolute?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? He would say, the only absolute that he believes

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Speaker 1: in is that we don't know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so where do you get that absolute? Yeah? You can't,

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Speaker 2: you can't. That's equip He's giving a witticism. Sure, this

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Speaker 2: is the only absolute. And I'd say, okay, well, let's

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Speaker 2: pursue that. Where'd you get that absolute? Why should I

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Speaker 2: listen to you? You're just meat, bones and protoplasm. You're

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Speaker 2: saying these things because your your body chemistry is time,

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Speaker 2: chance acting on matter is making you say stuff. I

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Speaker 2: have no reason to believe that there's any correlation between

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Speaker 2: what you're saying and what's actually happening in the world,

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Speaker 2: on your on your supposition. So let's talk about Jesus.

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Speaker 2: I tried.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, that was very helpful.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 10: So once you leave, how does that grow?

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Speaker 1: Where does it? College?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, when you've left the college and they're left to

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Speaker 10: their own devices.

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Speaker 1: How does that? Hopefully I communicate with them in their devices? Right?

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Speaker 8: So?

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Speaker 10: Well, that college, how does it convert from being a

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Speaker 10: feminist institution into something truth forward?

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Speaker 1: Got it?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: How do we redeem colleges? Is part of the question.

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't think they are redeemable. I don't

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Speaker 1: I think they have to be metaphorically and yeah, let's

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Speaker 1: just say metaphorically burn to the ground.

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Speaker 2: So I got a visit from the FBI over it.

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Speaker 2: Joked like that.

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Speaker 1: Cash Ptel will not be visiting my home anytime soon

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Speaker 1: or Dan Bongino, I say metaphorically, Look, I don't think

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Speaker 1: colleges are redeemable. I think that they are, without a doubt,

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Speaker 1: some of the most broken, secular, demonic, Satanic influenced institutions

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Speaker 1: in our country. And this idea that we're going to

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Speaker 1: somehow change the campuses, I think we got to build new,

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Speaker 1: better ones, and I think people will will flock to those. Yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you I had.

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Speaker 11: It's a three part question, but mostly is there a

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Speaker 11: place for assisted reproductive technology and Christian living. That's the

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Speaker 11: first part of my question. The second is yes, I yes,

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Speaker 11: surrogacy kind of everything in that. And then would you,

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Speaker 11: based on that answer, agree or disagree with the statement

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Speaker 11: that any art is commercialization of children? And yeah, what

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Speaker 11: kind of any of it? And then my third part

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Speaker 11: of the question is does my pastor agree with you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I did a whole stick on IVF. I got

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Speaker 1: a lot of problems with it. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it should be illegal or legal. I would never do it.

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Speaker 1: The discarding of human embryos is a serious problem. It's

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Speaker 1: a human rights violation. Let me tell you. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to tell you You guys could talk about all

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Speaker 1: the problems, but let me tell you why I struggle

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Speaker 1: with it. It is the It is an intense the

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Speaker 1: opposite of an abortion clinic, because these are the people

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Speaker 1: that want kids, not want to kill kids. I struggle

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Speaker 1: with that. Number two, infertility is shown to be the

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Speaker 1: second most mentally trying thing a family can go through,

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Speaker 1: other than cancer. If you ever dealt with it, I

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Speaker 1: praise the Lord have not. Could be very, very difficult. Thirdly,

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Speaker 1: I meet some of these IVF kids and they're wonderful.

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Speaker 1: They're incredible. I mean, they show up to my events

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Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm a product of IVF. So I

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Speaker 1: got to kind of reconcile with that. But the problems

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Speaker 1: where there are very significant. Number One, it's brave New

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Speaker 1: world Alvis Huxley stuff where we can just make life

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Speaker 1: in a laboratory. I have a big problem with that.

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Speaker 1: I really do. Number two the discarding of the human embryos.

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Speaker 1: Number three, this idea that we're going to, oh, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna try to put six up against the wall and

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Speaker 1: a two stick. Great, you know, four lives get ruined.

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Speaker 2: Oof.

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Speaker 1: I got a big problem with that as well, And

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Speaker 1: it is the absolute inverse also of birth control. Birth

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Speaker 1: control is sex without life. IVF is life without sex,

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Speaker 1: and it comes from I think, the same spirit that

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Speaker 1: we do not need to actually consummate in order to

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Speaker 1: have human life. So it's the further deterioration of what

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Speaker 1: sex is meant to be in the Bible. With that

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Speaker 1: being said, I don't judge or think any less of

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Speaker 1: Christians that use IVF. When I talk to them, they're

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Speaker 1: almost always in a state of like desperation, so I

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Speaker 1: pray for them. I personally would never do it, but

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Speaker 1: be curious with pastors.

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Speaker 2: To say, yeah, I agree with the problem is the outline.

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Speaker 2: I agree with all of those and sympathize with the

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Speaker 2: reasons why people are attracted to it. But I think

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Speaker 2: it's just bad all the way through. So I believe

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Speaker 2: it ought to be against the law. I think we've

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Speaker 2: painted ourselves into a corner. We are technologically sophisticated, technological

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Speaker 2: geniuses and ethical morons, and we ought not to be

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Speaker 2: in this position tinkering with things. It's like these people

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Speaker 2: have never watched the science fiction movie Gatika. Don't you

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Speaker 2: know what happens? The spooky music happened right around here.

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Speaker 2: Just because we can doesn't mean we should. That's right,

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Speaker 2: and I believe that we should not until we absolutely

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Speaker 2: know and are centered and grounded on God's word.

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Speaker 1: And surrogacy, I'm a hard noel. That's wombs for sale

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Speaker 1: and almost surrogacy is almost always now done for commercial

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Speaker 1: reasons of peple that just don't want to have more kids,

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Speaker 1: but they want to have more kids.

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Speaker 12: Thank you so much, Thank you. You've touched on the

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Speaker 12: topic before that. Christians or even conservatives are often met

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Speaker 12: with hatred or judgment for expressing or even acknowledging their beliefs.

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Speaker 12: So what would your encouragement or advice be to the

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Speaker 12: young believers of my generation on owning, advocating, and expressing

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Speaker 12: our faith in a way that won't push people away,

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Speaker 12: but rather touch lives.

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Speaker 1: Blessed are those who are persecuted, and so look being persecuted,

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Speaker 1: it's a blessing. I think the pastor might agree with this.

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Speaker 1: If you aren't currently being condemned, death threats, being trying

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Speaker 1: to run out of town, you're not fighting hard enough.

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Speaker 1: I mean that. I mean, look, you got to be

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Speaker 1: boundary pushing, you have to be trying to You can

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Speaker 1: tell a lot of a man based on the enemies

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Speaker 1: that you earn. So just look in James One. It

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Speaker 1: talks all about the blessed persecution. Jesus talked about it

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Speaker 1: as well, and so just take heart in the Lord

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Speaker 1: and it'll make you a stronger believer in Christian.

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Speaker 2: Be bold, confess the faith, stand up for what you believe.

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Speaker 2: And I'm afraid we have to cut it off there.

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Speaker 2: So thank you again at Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 9: For more on many of these stories and news you

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Speaker 9: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.