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Speaker 2: All right, my friend, let's dive into today's conversation with

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Speaker 2: another episode of the Built Different Podcast. As always, I'll

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Speaker 2: be your host today, Dr. Zach Clinton, alongside of my dad, Dr.

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Speaker 2: And we've got another incredibly powerful conversation coming your way today.

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Speaker 2: We're continuing our special November, being the month of neuroscience

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Speaker 2: mental wellbeing, neuroscience, and biblical truth. Last week, we sat

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Speaker 2: down with neurosurgeon and bestselling author, Dr. Lee Warren, to

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Speaker 2: What if the thoughts you've rehearsed, the lies you've believed,

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Speaker 2: if the way you've learned to think doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: we're exploring with today's special guest, Dr. Caroline Leaf.

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Speaker 2: Leaf is a cognitive neuroscientist, a communication pathologist, a best-selling author,

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Speaker 2: She's the best-selling author of Switch on Your Brain, Cleaning

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Speaker 2: Up Your Mental Mess, and How to Help Your Child

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Speaker 2: I love about today's conversation is how beautifully it connects

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Speaker 2: be transformed by the renewing of our minds. Because while

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Speaker 2: Caroline Leaf, right here on the Built Different podcast. Caroline,

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Speaker 2: my friend, thank you for joining us today.

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Speaker 3: with you and congratulations on the fantastic work that you're doing.

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Speaker 3: This conference has been an explosion of wonder, hasn't it?

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Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking, what's maybe one thought that you

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Speaker 3: There's so much focus when people talk neuroscience. It's immediately brain, brain, brain.

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Speaker 3: So it's not a matter of, because people, the minute

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Speaker 3: plane is flown whatever They prepare the plane. We all

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Speaker 3: get that. That's your prayer, your visualization, your breathing, whatever.

434
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Speaker 3: But if you don't do anything else, the plane never

435
00:22:00,930 --> 00:22:02,950
Speaker 3: goes anywhere. So a lot of people just get stuck

436
00:22:03,090 --> 00:22:07,550
Speaker 3: in kind of preparing themselves. Then they prepare. Then they

437
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:09,449
Speaker 3: get to maybe step two, which is take off.

438
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Speaker 4: Take off.

439
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Speaker 3: I'm going to become aware of what is the thought.

440
00:22:12,730 --> 00:22:14,870
Speaker 3: What is the mindset it's generating? What are the details

441
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Speaker 3: of that thought? Well, how does it make me feel?

442
00:22:16,890 --> 00:22:19,090
Speaker 3: They get quite good. Then they don't do anything else.

443
00:22:19,109 --> 00:22:20,949
Speaker 3: And they also crash. And the research shows, and I've

444
00:22:20,970 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 3: done a lot of work in this area too, That

445
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,820
Speaker 3: if you become aware, you prepare and become aware, but

446
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Speaker 3: you don't do anything, it backfires. And this is why

447
00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: we're seeing so much of the research coming out showing

448
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Speaker 3: that just doing that alone, awareness alone, is not enough.

449
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,190
Speaker 3: You've got to be aware of your awareness of your awareness.

450
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Speaker 3: It's a whole different level. So that's kind of the

451
00:22:39,910 --> 00:22:42,570
Speaker 3: equivalent of if I just prepare and don't do anything,

452
00:22:42,590 --> 00:22:45,129
Speaker 3: I go nowhere. If I prepare and I become aware,

453
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Speaker 3: I take off. But if I don't know how to

454
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Speaker 3: fly the plane, I crash. So people are either not

455
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Speaker 3: going anywhere or they're crashing too soon. So you've got

456
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Speaker 3: to fit in the other parts. And if you think

457
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Speaker 3: of a pilot, I don't know if people are aware

458
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Speaker 3: of this, but there's three phases of flying that they

459
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Speaker 3: go through. They have to get to a certain altitude,

460
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Speaker 3: then they stay there, then they prepare for landing. That's

461
00:23:03,109 --> 00:23:06,110
Speaker 3: those three phases most people don't do. Translate that back

462
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Speaker 3: into psychoneurobiology. What that means is I've got to be aware, prepare.

463
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Speaker 3: I've got to have my awareness of my thought, my

464
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Speaker 3: mindset that it's generating, blah, blah, blah. But now I've

465
00:23:18,900 --> 00:23:23,070
Speaker 3: got to deconstruct. And I've got to reconstruct. That requires reflection,

466
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Speaker 3: deep reflection. You shine a light through a prism, it

467
00:23:25,730 --> 00:23:27,490
Speaker 3: comes out a white light, it comes out with a

468
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Speaker 3: full rainbow colors. We have to go deep. The who, what, when, where, why.

469
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Speaker 3: We have to then see what else is it connected to,

470
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Speaker 3: what other stuff in that spirit level, what other memories

471
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Speaker 3: are getting me stuck there. And that takes a lot

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Speaker 3: of work. Then you've got to reconceptualize, which is that

473
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Speaker 3: third phase of flying. And that's seeing it from a

474
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Speaker 3: different angle. And then from there, once I've got that,

475
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Speaker 3: once I can say this is what's happened, what can

476
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Speaker 3: I do about this, the observe, not merge, then I

477
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Speaker 3: can start reconstructing. Then I can land the plane with action. Now,

478
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Speaker 3: that's a rhythm. That rhythm does not work unless you

479
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Speaker 3: repeat it at least 63 days. And part of my

480
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Speaker 3: work has been to show that you can, because thoughts

481
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Speaker 3: are real. They're protein structures. They are in the brain

482
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Speaker 3: and body. They have actual vibrations inside the proteins. I mean,

483
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Speaker 3: I can get really neuroscienty here. But those things have to–

484
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Speaker 3: the minute you are aware of something, they become malleable

485
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Speaker 3: and open to change. This is the gift we have

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Speaker 3: of neuroplasticity. But if I become aware of something and

487
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Speaker 3: I don't change it, that's when I crash. That's the

488
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Speaker 3: phase of the plane crashing. And that's what's happening so

489
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Speaker 3: much to people. They become aware. but they don't push

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Speaker 3: through all the phases in a rhythmic way daily. So

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Speaker 3: the reason neuroscientific research shows you have to get into

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Speaker 3: a very organized rhythm for at least 63 days and

493
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Speaker 3: sometimes multiple cycles depending on the level of trauma, the

494
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Speaker 3: level of the toxic experience in order to rewire that

495
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Speaker 3: mind-brain-body network.

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Speaker 4: Then you see change.

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Speaker 3: Otherwise, as you said, Tim, it just becomes something that

498
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Speaker 3: consumes them.

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Speaker 4: They merge instead of observing.

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Speaker 3: Yes. And it's a very specific process. You can't just

501
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: throw words around. You have to go through that rhythm.

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Speaker 3: Come back to the very first question. Mind has a rhythm.

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Speaker 3: Directed neuroplasticity has a rhythm. I can direct my neuroplasticity

504
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Speaker 3: in the wrong direction. I can choose with my conscious

505
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Speaker 3: mind to ignore that spirit level and get stuck in

506
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Speaker 3: that lie.

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Speaker 1: Can I stay on that for a moment?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, go for it.

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Speaker 1: When this rutting stuff begins to take place, this rumination,

510
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Speaker 1: We often talk about things that wire together fire together,

511
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Speaker 1: things that fire together wire together. How deep and how difficult,

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Speaker 1: from your perspective, can this get? You hear what I'm saying?

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Speaker 3: Oh, totally. I know exactly what you're saying. So the

514
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Speaker 3: fire together, wire together is very old science. The updated,

515
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: more accurate science of how this works is based on

516
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Speaker 3: high-energy physics. High-energy physics goes beyond space-time... quantum physics, it's

517
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Speaker 3: the next level. It's about 10 years old, and it

518
00:26:02,109 --> 00:26:04,429
Speaker 3: explains this whole concept that I'm talking about now, the

519
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Speaker 3: non-conscious mind. Basically what I'm saying, and I'm going to

520
00:26:07,070 --> 00:26:09,310
Speaker 3: explain this very, link it back to your question, is

521
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Speaker 3: fundamental to who we are as humans is not matter.

522
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Speaker 3: It's not atoms and quarks and quantum physics, space-time, all

523
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Speaker 3: these things. They don't explain who we are. Fundamental to

524
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Speaker 3: us is consciousness, which is mind. which we know, you know,

525
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Speaker 3: that's spirit level. That we understand. Science, the traditional physics

526
00:26:28,650 --> 00:26:31,970
Speaker 3: and things don't explain that level accurately. Now, what is

527
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Speaker 3: my point? My point is that we have scientific evidence

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Speaker 3: that at the highest level of physics that you can

529
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Speaker 3: get to, which links in with psychoneurobiology, that we at

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Speaker 3: our core are fundamentally mind. That is the fundamental nature

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Speaker 3: of who we are. So we are 99% mind and

532
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Speaker 3: only 1% physical. Therefore.

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Speaker 3: That knowledge alone is very hopeful. And when I get

534
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 3: stuck in rumination, it means that I'm stuck in a loop.

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Speaker 3: But the loop is stuck in a physical level of 1%. Therefore,

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Speaker 3: my 99% is the powerhouse. And if I can understand

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00:27:07,020 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 3: how to tap into that, I have the ability to

538
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: crack the rumination. And it's a matter of being able

539
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,050
Speaker 3: to stand back and observe. So the rumination, what happens

540
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:20,090
Speaker 3: with rumination is that people get so consumed in the physical.

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Speaker 3: And this is my point. We get so consumed in

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Speaker 3: the physical. We feel it in our body. And there's

543
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Speaker 3: so much emphasis on somatic work, which I'm not anti.

544
00:27:29,010 --> 00:27:30,750
Speaker 3: But if you get so caught up in somatic work,

545
00:27:30,770 --> 00:27:33,070
Speaker 3: you forget about the mind level. And we have to

546
00:27:33,109 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 3: go a little deeper. We have to go to that level.

547
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,020
Speaker 3: We have to do that hard work of really getting

548
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Speaker 3: into the depths of the mind. And that's not a

549
00:27:41,650 --> 00:27:45,590
Speaker 3: very physical feeling thing. It's another level altogether. I often

550
00:27:45,670 --> 00:27:48,030
Speaker 3: use the example of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane.

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Speaker 3: You've got to get in the garden. You have to

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Speaker 3: face the stuff. It's going to get worse before it

553
00:27:53,550 --> 00:27:55,669
Speaker 3: gets better. Then it's going to get really bad. And

554
00:27:55,710 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 3: then eventually you'll rise with the wounds in your hands.

555
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,700
Speaker 3: And it's that journey through the garden, which is very hard,

556
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:05,659
Speaker 3: which is that whole flying process. It's where people have

557
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,620
Speaker 3: really got to get in and deal with, stand back

558
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,149
Speaker 3: and observe. as opposed to merge. The merging causes a

559
00:28:12,170 --> 00:28:14,250
Speaker 3: lot of problems. It keeps people stuck in rumination because

560
00:28:14,290 --> 00:28:17,830
Speaker 3: it feels so bad. So we have to literally train

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Speaker 3: ourselves to rise above the sensorial nature of our physical

562
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Speaker 3: frame and get into that mind level. Does that make sense?

563
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Speaker 3: Because when you do that, that's when you get breakthrough.

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Speaker 3: And that's what I've seen with patients and clients and

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Speaker 3: people over the years.

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Speaker 1: It's fascinating.

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Speaker 2: You know, as you talk about rumination, I've heard it

568
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Speaker 2: said that rumination is like the pathological obsession with your pain.

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Speaker 2: With your anxiety, pain, anxiety, what it has a way

570
00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:41,770
Speaker 2: to do is it, it shrinks or it narrows our

571
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Speaker 2: scope of view. And so it's all we can focus on,

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Speaker 2: but nowhere in God's word does it call us to ruminate,

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Speaker 2: but many times does it call us to renovate, right?

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Speaker 1: To renew our minds.

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Speaker 2: Romans 12 to do not be conformed to the patterns

576
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Speaker 2: of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of

577
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Speaker 2: your mind. But then it doesn't stop there. It says,

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Speaker 2: so then you can test and see what that good, pleasing,

579
00:29:04,220 --> 00:29:07,710
Speaker 2: perfect will is for your life. I think of, Philippians 4.8,

580
00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:11,850
Speaker 2: whatever is true, noble, just, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent, or praiseworthy,

581
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Speaker 2: whatever those things are, think on these things. And then

582
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Speaker 2: it goes on to say the next verse, then put

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Speaker 2: these things into practice. Caroline, I think what we're getting

584
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,900
Speaker 2: at here is this. It's one thing to know something intellectually.

585
00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:27,330
Speaker 2: It's another thing to believe something emotionally.

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Speaker 4: You have to have congruence.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And with CBT, you know, we know all the different steps, catch, check, challenge, change.

589
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: But I think another one is courage. Like once we

590
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Speaker 2: change those thoughts, once we begin to meditate on truth,

591
00:29:38,550 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: then we're able to take the next. step because truth

592
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,060
Speaker 2: should illuminate the path forward. There might still be fear.

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00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:46,260
Speaker 2: There might still be anxiety. We can be aware of that,

594
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,810
Speaker 2: but still move forward knowing the truth and clinging to

595
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Speaker 2: the promises of God, even in the problems of life.

596
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,170
Speaker 2: your new book, Help in a Hurry, you really break

597
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:58,790
Speaker 2: it down and you make it tangible and practical on

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Speaker 2: how we can begin to receive that help, meditate on

599
00:30:01,910 --> 00:30:04,910
Speaker 2: that truth every single day. What are some steps that

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Speaker 2: somebody out there in the audience today that's listening that

601
00:30:07,220 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: feels anxious, that feels stressed, that feels burnt out, that

602
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Speaker 2: is caught in that rumination cycle, what is a step

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Speaker 2: that they can begin taking today to renovate and renew

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Speaker 2: their mind?

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Speaker 4: Excellent point.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so telling someone to think on good things when

607
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: they're in a bad state, they'll just, you know, there's

608
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Speaker 3: no congruence, they can't do it. So the thing there

609
00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:26,540
Speaker 3: is to train themselves to stand back and observe. So

610
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Speaker 3: there's a technique called the multiple perspective advantage that I've

611
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Speaker 3: developed in research scientifically. As you know, my work, nothing

612
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Speaker 3: I say hasn't got a scientific foundation and science, a

613
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: good scientist is always improving. So I'm constantly doing research

614
00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: to try and understand more. So one of the things

615
00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: is to train yourself to stand, get into the multiple

616
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Speaker 3: perspective advantage and that is to literally divorce yourself from

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Speaker 3: that sensorial emotion. And it's not easy, but with practice

618
00:30:53,660 --> 00:30:56,580
Speaker 3: you can do this. So stand back and observe as

619
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Speaker 3: opposed to merge. And as soon as you're in that state,

620
00:31:00,020 --> 00:31:04,430
Speaker 3: what we see neuroscientifically and psychoneurobiologically, the minute a person says, okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm consumed, this is my rumination, the minute I label it,

622
00:31:10,170 --> 00:31:14,670
Speaker 3: this is the process. I'm feeling totally and utterly sucked

623
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Speaker 3: in pain, anxiety, If I, in that state, can say, okay,

624
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Speaker 3: if I look at this, what I'm feeling, not as

625
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,830
Speaker 3: a judgment, not me being bad, but as information, if

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00:31:26,890 --> 00:31:29,770
Speaker 3: I can just purely, with kindness and compassion toward myself,

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Speaker 3: stand back and observe what I'm experiencing in this moment

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00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:37,330
Speaker 3: as data, then I can do something because that's not

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Speaker 3: who I am.

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Speaker 4: This is happening because of.

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Speaker 3: Now, that statement alone cracks the door open to a

632
00:31:45,210 --> 00:31:48,340
Speaker 3: whole different world. And that kind of statement, this is

633
00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: not who I am. I'm feeling these emotions. I'm not

634
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 3: denying them. I'm feeling this whatever thought. I can't even

635
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,500
Speaker 3: name it yet. But this is not who I am.

636
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,780
Speaker 3: I'm feeling this way because of. The minute you make

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Speaker 3: some kind of statement along that line, as hard as

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00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: it is, it puts you into that state where you

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00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 3: can observe and not merge. You can start seeing things

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00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:08,150
Speaker 3: from a multiple perspective advantage. And as you go longer

641
00:32:08,190 --> 00:32:11,410
Speaker 3: with that state, so you can, and this is not hours.

642
00:32:11,470 --> 00:32:13,990
Speaker 3: This is, you can do this in seven to 16 minutes.

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00:32:14,350 --> 00:32:16,890
Speaker 3: So you literally, first thing is to make that statement,

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Speaker 3: that kind of statement. This is not who I am.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing, I'm in this state or thinking this thought

646
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Speaker 3: because of something. Because identity, once again, when you feel

647
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Speaker 3: like this is who you are, there's guilt, there's condemnation,

648
00:32:29,570 --> 00:32:32,090
Speaker 3: there's all this stuff that I'm bad, useless, whatever.

649
00:32:32,550 --> 00:32:33,110
Speaker 4: No, you're not.

650
00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:35,470
Speaker 3: This is just you experiencing the unexpected.

651
00:32:35,490 --> 00:32:36,850
Speaker 4: Something's going on. So that's okay.

652
00:32:36,890 --> 00:32:39,870
Speaker 3: Let's stand back together and observe. Together, stand into the

653
00:32:39,890 --> 00:32:41,690
Speaker 3: arms of God. You're standing in the arms of love.

654
00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:42,970
Speaker 4: You're safe. And you observe.

655
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Speaker 3: I often tell people, you probably use this technique yourselves,

656
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,820
Speaker 3: is see a huge big building. And in that building,

657
00:32:48,860 --> 00:32:51,780
Speaker 3: there are these windows. And you're on the outside looking

658
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: into the window in the arms of God, whatever visual

659
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,940
Speaker 3: And you're observing the scenario. So that's the multiple perspective advantage.

660
00:32:57,980 --> 00:33:00,940
Speaker 3: And that's the first thing. Then it's to start getting

661
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:03,060
Speaker 3: into the details. So the book you're talking about, Help

662
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,100
Speaker 3: in a Hurry, I did a survey research once again

663
00:33:06,140 --> 00:33:09,780
Speaker 3: and found the top areas that globally people battle with.

664
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Speaker 3: And it's things like, help, I'm under pressure. Help, my

665
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:15,380
Speaker 3: brain won't shut up. Regret cycles, those kind of things.

666
00:33:15,420 --> 00:33:19,050
Speaker 3: So find the sort of category that it's in. And

667
00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:22,110
Speaker 3: you may see, I'm regretting. So as you observe, you see,

668
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I'm doing an if only. If only

669
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: I said this. If I said that, then this wouldn't

670
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Speaker 3: have happened. And then you create a whole scenario in

671
00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:31,870
Speaker 3: your head and you have those up and down with counterfactuals.

672
00:33:31,930 --> 00:33:34,510
Speaker 3: And I know your clinicians that are listening are aware of.

673
00:33:35,030 --> 00:33:37,570
Speaker 3: But just by naming, it's like I'm in a regret cycle.

674
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Speaker 3: And then you can actually then start, once you've named it,

675
00:33:40,510 --> 00:33:43,010
Speaker 3: now you can go through a process of, all right,

676
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:45,950
Speaker 3: now let's identify. What is the name of the thought?

677
00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:49,410
Speaker 3: What is the mindset being generated? What are the details

678
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:52,030
Speaker 3: of the thought? Because a thought is a thing made

679
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:53,490
Speaker 3: of something. What is it made of?

680
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Speaker 4: Memories.

681
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Speaker 3: Memories are not the same as thoughts. Thoughts are the

682
00:33:56,770 --> 00:34:00,300
Speaker 3: big thing. Thoughts are the experience. Thoughts, as an experience,

683
00:34:00,340 --> 00:34:04,300
Speaker 3: has details. So a thought has memories. So a thought

684
00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: is made of memories, like a tree is made of

685
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: branches and roots. So now once you've named the thought,

686
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:13,870
Speaker 3: standing in the safe zone, and the mindset it's generating,

687
00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:15,970
Speaker 3: I'm not good enough, I'll always be useless or whatever,

688
00:34:16,350 --> 00:34:18,790
Speaker 3: Now I can say, okay, let's look at the details

689
00:34:18,830 --> 00:34:20,930
Speaker 3: of those thoughts. Let's see where the source is.

690
00:34:20,969 --> 00:34:22,509
Speaker 4: It's all data. You're observing it.

691
00:34:23,070 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: And you go through a process and then very objectively

692
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 3: you move over once you've gathered that awareness is into

693
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Speaker 3: a reflect phase. Why do I think I'm going to?

694
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Speaker 3: Where is this happening?

695
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:31,940
Speaker 4: What is true?

696
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,660
Speaker 3: Who, what, the famous, who, what, when, where, why? Very sequence.

697
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Speaker 3: So first get it. First stand back. Secondly, gather the details, mindset,

698
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Speaker 3: name of thought, emotions, and where it's in your body, perspective.

699
00:34:44,370 --> 00:34:47,260
Speaker 4: Then you reflect. Who, what, when, where, why? No judgment.

700
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Speaker 3: Then you see, okay, third thing, what else do I

701
00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:53,739
Speaker 3: do now? What else is coming up? Not what, sorry,

702
00:34:54,020 --> 00:34:56,500
Speaker 3: not what else is coming up. What other thoughts, what

703
00:34:56,540 --> 00:35:00,260
Speaker 3: other train of thoughts is this connected to? What details,

704
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,460
Speaker 3: memories are popping up? No judgment, no fixing, just gathering

705
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Speaker 3: of data. And the fourth thing to do is to say, okay,

706
00:35:06,989 --> 00:35:08,930
Speaker 3: I've got all this data. So the first three steps,

707
00:35:09,300 --> 00:35:11,700
Speaker 3: you put yourself in that perspective, you gather this data,

708
00:35:11,890 --> 00:35:15,219
Speaker 3: all objective, all kind, all compassion, And then you start

709
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Speaker 3: the reconceptualization.

710
00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:17,430
Speaker 4: This has happened.

711
00:35:17,690 --> 00:35:20,230
Speaker 3: What can I do? I'm giving a broad overview. Obviously,

712
00:35:20,250 --> 00:35:23,450
Speaker 3: I take this into detail. And then you go into, okay,

713
00:35:23,469 --> 00:35:26,050
Speaker 3: what's my action? How do I make this real now today? Now,

714
00:35:26,070 --> 00:35:27,969
Speaker 3: that you can do in 15 minutes. You can do

715
00:35:27,989 --> 00:35:30,490
Speaker 3: it in seven minutes. And then you do that daily.

716
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Speaker 3: So that's called a neurocycle. The neurocycle is the formula.

717
00:35:34,250 --> 00:35:37,330
Speaker 3: It's a formula that does not replace any therapeutic technique.

718
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 3: It's basically you can take any psychotherapeutic technique. whether it's CBT,

719
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Speaker 3: mindfulness-based CBT, ACT, whatever it is, and you put it

720
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Speaker 3: into that formula, you close the gaps that, because I've

721
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Speaker 3: shown in my research, the gaps that come up. So

722
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Speaker 3: the neuropsych is not a technique, it's a formula. And

723
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Speaker 3: it's a formula that you can put whatever technique. And

724
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Speaker 3: I say, if someone is just someone out there in

725
00:36:01,940 --> 00:36:04,739
Speaker 3: the street who doesn't understand anything about clinical work, they're

726
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,259
Speaker 3: just experiencing life, not a clinician, in other words, a

727
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:10,500
Speaker 3: human that is just in life and They don't have

728
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Speaker 3: to be a clinician to be able to use this

729
00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:16,460
Speaker 3: because this formula is basically how we process information, how

730
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: we deconstruct and reconstruct. So the key thing I always

731
00:36:19,460 --> 00:36:21,779
Speaker 3: teach people is let me give you the formula and

732
00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:23,739
Speaker 3: then from there you can then fit, once you know

733
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Speaker 3: the formula, you can then fit things into, you can

734
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Speaker 3: fit your life experience that you've been able to deal

735
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Speaker 3: with into that. The formula is how you drive neuroplasticity,

736
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Speaker 3: which is rewiring the brain, taking those thoughts, toxic thoughts

737
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Speaker 3: that are real and changing them into something that's healthy.

738
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Speaker 3: And so you never change your story, but you change

739
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Speaker 3: what it looks like inside of you. I don't know

740
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Speaker 3: if that makes sense. Do you want me to give

741
00:36:47,950 --> 00:36:49,069
Speaker 3: a simple example?

742
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Speaker 1: That's fantastic.

743
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Speaker 4: I've got a lot of stuff.

744
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's absolutely amazing. The psalmist said, why is my

745
00:36:57,219 --> 00:37:03,299
Speaker 1: soul cast down? The distresses are overwhelming, but hope thou

746
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:08,870
Speaker 1: in God. Hope is a powerful agent in life. When

747
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:12,260
Speaker 1: you believe that you can actually win, if you will,

748
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: the battlefield of the mind, that's a beautiful thing. I

749
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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, so in discussions on neuroscience and

750
00:37:20,980 --> 00:37:27,210
Speaker 1: interpersonal neuroscience, it's the mind-brain-body relationship connection. They actually talk

751
00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:30,930
Speaker 1: about flowing energy this way and flowing energy from the

752
00:37:30,969 --> 00:37:33,830
Speaker 1: bottom up. In other words, if you're in toxic relationships,

753
00:37:33,910 --> 00:37:37,510
Speaker 1: it can begin to really impact your body, your brain.

754
00:37:38,180 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: and your thought life. You know what I'm saying? And

755
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: we hear a lot about brain health, that if your

756
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,140
Speaker 1: brain is not healthy, it has an impact on you. Supplements,

757
00:37:48,219 --> 00:37:50,379
Speaker 1: all kinds of things that people are talking about. Just

758
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,450
Speaker 1: some thoughts from you on a lot of that discussion

759
00:37:53,469 --> 00:37:56,150
Speaker 1: and how you kind of weave these worlds together.

760
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Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked that, Tim, because there's such

761
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Speaker 3: a massive, massive emphasis on brain health.

762
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Speaker 4: And for me, it's the wrong way around.

763
00:38:05,739 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 3: If brain and body is only 1% of who you are,

764
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Speaker 3: and there's all the science to back up what I'm saying,

765
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:16,049
Speaker 3: and your mind is 99%, we live in a society

766
00:38:16,170 --> 00:38:19,830
Speaker 3: and an era where 100% of people's attention is put

767
00:38:19,870 --> 00:38:24,230
Speaker 3: onto the physical, brain health, body health, brain health, body health, longevity, biohacking. Now,

768
00:38:24,250 --> 00:38:27,229
Speaker 3: I'm not anti that, but I'm anti the percentage because

769
00:38:27,290 --> 00:38:29,969
Speaker 3: hardly any time is spent on mind health. So people

770
00:38:30,010 --> 00:38:31,210
Speaker 3: will go on, you've got to eat this, you've got

771
00:38:31,230 --> 00:38:32,779
Speaker 3: to do that, you've got to take this supplement, you've

772
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,739
Speaker 3: got to do that. I'm not anti any of that.

773
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,660
Speaker 3: But if that's all you're doing, and then they'll throw

774
00:38:36,700 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: in a little bit of stress management. It's back to front.

775
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,459
Speaker 3: Put your emphasis on mind first. And if your mind

776
00:38:43,540 --> 00:38:47,030
Speaker 3: is right, your mind generates the energy that determines brain health.

777
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:49,969
Speaker 3: So the way my mind is in this very moment,

778
00:38:50,010 --> 00:38:52,950
Speaker 3: and I've shown this with my research, influences the telomeres

779
00:38:52,989 --> 00:38:55,290
Speaker 3: that actually are the things that influence the cells that

780
00:38:55,330 --> 00:38:58,710
Speaker 3: you make, the million-plus cells that you make every second.

781
00:38:59,190 --> 00:39:03,229
Speaker 3: And the research shows a direct correlation between telomere health

782
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:07,630
Speaker 3: and mind health And telomere health determines biological health. So therefore,

783
00:39:07,650 --> 00:39:10,390
Speaker 3: where do we focus our attention? Not on biological. That's

784
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:14,220
Speaker 3: the byproduct. That's the end product. We should be focusing

785
00:39:14,380 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 3: on the first level, which is mind. And then once

786
00:39:17,780 --> 00:39:20,339
Speaker 3: you've got mind right, now you're generating an energy through

787
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,050
Speaker 3: the brain and the body that will stimulate, for example,

788
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:25,570
Speaker 3: a theta wave through the brain and the body, a

789
00:39:25,610 --> 00:39:30,210
Speaker 3: balanced alpha, beta, gamma waves through the body. We it

790
00:39:30,270 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 3: with the work I do with my team. We use

791
00:39:31,739 --> 00:39:36,940
Speaker 3: a lot of QEEG. And QEEG, any brain technology, MRI, SPECT, QEEG,

792
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: none of it reads the brain. It simply shows the

793
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,100
Speaker 3: effect in the brain. And the brain can be changed

794
00:39:42,340 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: all the time. It's never fixed. You're never stuck. Not

795
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:47,819
Speaker 3: just once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic nonsense. That's not

796
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,870
Speaker 3: the truth. We can always change. So therefore, we need

797
00:39:50,890 --> 00:39:55,100
Speaker 3: to focus on what is the power behind the change physically.

798
00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:59,180
Speaker 3: There are people like Professor Henry Stepp, who's 96, who's

799
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,620
Speaker 3: shown mathematically that mind creates matter. This is what capturing thoughts,

800
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,700
Speaker 3: renewing the mind is. Mind creates matter. So therefore, mind

801
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,739
Speaker 3: is our emphasis. So once I've got my mind right,

802
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: I'm generating energy. this correct wave energy through the brain.

803
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: I'm putting the right energy through the brain. That influences

804
00:40:14,620 --> 00:40:18,760
Speaker 3: the genetics, the electromagnetic effects of the brain, the electrophysiological

805
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,370
Speaker 3: effects in the brain and the body. Then I'm going

806
00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:24,290
Speaker 3: to have a downstream effect on a healthier brain. Then

807
00:40:24,350 --> 00:40:27,190
Speaker 3: I need to use exercise and food to fix up

808
00:40:27,210 --> 00:40:29,989
Speaker 3: the damage that was done by unmanaged thought life. So

809
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: priority is not brain health. Priority is mind health, mind management,

810
00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 3: not even mind health, mind management. Mind management means I

811
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 3: connect the conscious mind with the non-conscious via the subconscious.

812
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,940
Speaker 3: In other words, in simple language, soul and spirit need

813
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,129
Speaker 3: to work together. When soul and spirit work together, then

814
00:40:49,150 --> 00:40:51,430
Speaker 3: the downstream effect into the brain and the body will happen.

815
00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:54,589
Speaker 3: Then the supplementation, the exercise, the food, all those things

816
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:58,410
Speaker 3: need to be done because I'm using those. That's what

817
00:40:58,430 --> 00:41:00,900
Speaker 3: I use to show up in this body. So I

818
00:41:00,910 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: need to look after it. But if I'm trying to

819
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 3: supplement and do brain health stuff, Without mind health, I'm

820
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: wasting my time because the real thing that happens is

821
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Speaker 3: the mind. Just one last biological fact is that there's

822
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Speaker 3: so many. The heart secretes a hormone called ANF, atrial

823
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,230
Speaker 3: nutritive factor, very important for that sense of peace. And

824
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:23,810
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be released in cycles. And we've shown

825
00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:25,830
Speaker 3: with the research that if you don't manage your mind,

826
00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: ANF is not released in sufficient quantities. And that affects

827
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 3: the hypothalamic pituitary axis, which is actually your best friend,

828
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,989
Speaker 3: but not when your mind's going crazy because then all

829
00:41:36,270 --> 00:41:39,489
Speaker 3: of the hormones downstream from the hypothalamus all the way

830
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:42,310
Speaker 3: through to the adrenal glands, including the connection with the heart,

831
00:41:42,469 --> 00:41:44,090
Speaker 3: all go out of whack. So you can take as

832
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:46,750
Speaker 3: many supplements as you want. You can emphasize eating that

833
00:41:46,810 --> 00:41:49,189
Speaker 3: organic food, which I do. I only eat those organic foods.

834
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: But if I'm not managing mind, I'm wasting my time.

835
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Speaker 3: There's even research showing that you can go and do

836
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: a great workout, eat a great organic meal, and go

837
00:41:57,460 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: and take your supplements. But if your mind is not

838
00:42:00,260 --> 00:42:02,980
Speaker 3: under control, you will lose up to 80% to 96%

839
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:05,980
Speaker 3: of the benefit of that exercise and that meal. So

840
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 3: it's mind first, mind first, mind first. Brain health is

841
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: a downstream. You can see I'm very passionate about this.

842
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:12,700
Speaker 3: I love it.

843
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: People have put the emphasis in the wrong place.

844
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Speaker 2: I want to close this way. There's somebody out there today, Caroline,

845
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,470
Speaker 2: who's struggling in life. They feel incredibly anxious.

846
00:42:23,530 --> 00:42:25,310
Speaker 1: They're disappointed. They're discouraged.

847
00:42:26,050 --> 00:42:29,670
Speaker 2: They don't quite understand what their next step could look like.

848
00:42:29,770 --> 00:42:32,470
Speaker 2: They get this concept of hope, but maybe they haven't

849
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:35,149
Speaker 2: begun to clung to it yet. I'm just thinking, what's

850
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:37,970
Speaker 2: a final word for that person that's listening in today?

851
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:41,430
Speaker 2: Maybe one of hope, one of encouragement, one of motivation,

852
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:45,180
Speaker 2: one final step that they can begin taking as they

853
00:42:45,219 --> 00:42:47,540
Speaker 2: continue to renew their mind each and every day.

854
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 3: Look at anxiety, depression, emotions like that guilt, all those

855
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,330
Speaker 3: scary emotions, not as diseases, not as something being wrong

856
00:42:57,370 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: with you. Look at them as data, information. And when

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Speaker 3: you do that, you shift. There's research showing that the

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Speaker 3: minute you don't get consumed by the anxiety, but you said, oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm anxious.

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Speaker 4: This is okay. I acknowledge it. It's scary.

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Speaker 3: It makes me feel awful. But there's a big cause

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Speaker 3: of behind it. The minute you look at anxiety as data,

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Speaker 3: as opposed to all consuming something wrong with me thing,

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Speaker 3: you now change all your psychoneurobiology and you're back in

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Speaker 3: the pound seat and you're now in a place to

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Speaker 3: move into hope.

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Speaker 4: That's what I would say.

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Speaker 3: So you can't control the events and circumstances of your life.

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Speaker 4: We know that.

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Speaker 3: But we can't control our reactions.

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Speaker 1: That's Caroline Leaf.

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Speaker 2: You are a gift to so many people, I think

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Speaker 2: to the church at large, because you give us language

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Speaker 2: to help us understand neuroscience.

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Speaker 1: You make it practical. You make it digestible.

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Speaker 2: I mean, all of these different phrases in the language,

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Speaker 2: but at the same time, I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: And I believe that you're incredibly passionate about it. I

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Speaker 2: believe that God will continue to use you in powerful ways.

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Speaker 2: And I believe that the work that God has called

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Speaker 2: you to helps and blesses us in the work that

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Speaker 2: God has called us to. Caroline, my friend, work in

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Speaker 2: our audience to go there to find out more about you,

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Speaker 2: to be a part of all the different programs that

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Speaker 2: you offer, but also to pick up a copy. I

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Speaker 2: know you just released the workbook earlier this year as

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Speaker 2: well of Help in a Hurry.

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Speaker 1: Where's a one-stop shop for us to go?

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Speaker 3: DrLeaf.com. And there's everything there and also the podcast. And

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Speaker 3: we also do certifications now. So if clinicians want to

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Speaker 3: become … Neurocycle clinicians, they can do that certification.

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Speaker 4: Everything's at drleaf.com.

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Speaker 2: She makes a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Noise up on social media. Yes, she does. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Dr.

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Speaker 1: Leaf, my friend, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: For joining us. Thank you both. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for your fantastic questions and the wonderful work

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Speaker 3: that you do.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: To our built different audience, as always, just thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for joining us. I'm just thinking about that

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Speaker 2: one thought that keeps ruminating in my mind right now,

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Speaker 2: which is this. What you think about, you will care about.

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Speaker 2: And what you care about, you will chase. Get back

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Speaker 2: to the heart of things. Get back to the basics.

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Speaker 2: Get back to the foul line. Get back to your

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Speaker 2: thought life because what you believe about yourself begins to

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Speaker 2: behave in every aspect of our lives. My friend, again,

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Speaker 2: thank you for joining us. We love being a part

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Speaker 2: of your life.