1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: We've just sat down with the Israeli Foreign minister. What 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: are the objectives that Israel needs to achieve? Are they 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: exactly the same as Americas? How do they define a win? 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Will Hesbiala be entirely eradicated? What is his response to 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: the French Foreign Minister, the Katari foreign minister, the Russian president? 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 1: Plus does he trust the United Kingdom? All that and 7 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: plenty more? Foreign Minister, Thank you so much for your time. 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: Really appreciate you joining me here on the Aaron Mullin Show. 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: Thank you Erin, Thank you for having me. 10 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,199 Speaker 1: We don't have much time, so let me jump straight in. 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: This is not just a job for you. This is 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: existential in Israel. You are willing to pay a price 13 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: the lives of your people to achieve the objectives in 14 00:00:59,480 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: this war. 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: How big a price are you're willing to pay? 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 4: What we took into consideration that there will be casualties, unfortunately, 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 4: that there will be consequences. But we thought, unanimously, by 18 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 4: the way it was taken unanimously by a security cabinet, 19 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 4: that it is much more dangerous not to act rather 20 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 4: than to act. Having taken into consideration the fact that 21 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 4: they are planning to take to a deep underground their 22 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 4: nuclear program as much as missile long range missiles production, 23 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 4: so within a short time they will be immune from 24 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 4: any air force activity. So we came into conclusion that 25 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 4: we must act. 26 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: Your daughter's home was hit by an Islamic regime missile. 27 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 3: Is she okay? And how does that feel as a father? 28 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: Well, I was. 29 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 4: I participated in a meeting and they were speaking about 30 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: a missile land and in Tel Aviv, and most of 31 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 4: my family is living there, so I was interesting. I 32 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 4: was interested to know where exactly. When I went out 33 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 4: from the meeting, I found out that her apartment was 34 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 4: really damaged. But fortunately enough, she's okay with her fiance. 35 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 4: There were only damages to the flat. They moved temporarily 36 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 4: to live in the house of the parents of her fiance. 37 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 4: But she acted actually quite bravely, helping a wounded person 38 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,119 Speaker 4: in the scene, and I'm quite proud that she functioned 39 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 4: that way in those terrible circumstances. 40 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: Absolutely for others, though not so lucky. There have been 41 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: lives lost in Israel, including the lives of chill It's heartbreaking. 42 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, yesterday we had nine casualties in an attack on 43 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 4: Bitchemish a city quite near to Jerusalem, including children, including 44 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 4: cases when the mother and the child were killed in 45 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 4: the same attack. This is really horrible, but the most 46 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 4: horrible thing is that this is what they plan. They 47 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: deliberately target civilians and civilian population centers. While we are 48 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 4: targeting the head, the heads of disturb states and security apparatus, 49 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 4: and also military industry and military facilities. They are targeting 50 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 4: are civilians. And they are not doing it only to Israel. 51 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 4: They are doing it now also to Arab neighboring countries 52 00:03:53,440 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 4: in the Gulf, very cruelly and without any provocation. So 53 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 4: this is a regime which is dangerous to his people. 54 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: To his own people, as we so lately with the. 55 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: Way they repress with murder, with murderers thousands of Iranians. 56 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 4: And also it is dangerous for the old region and 57 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 4: for the old world. 58 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 3: When you look at the reaction of the region. The Golf. 59 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Arab states have come out and condemned, including Qatar, who's 60 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: put out a statement not mentioned Israel in that statement, 61 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: but have been very scathing when it comes to the 62 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: targeting of civilians. Again, didn't mention any Israeli civilians. We know, 63 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 1: why do you think that this erratic action from the 64 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: Islamic regime will actually benefit Israel in that the Arab 65 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: states seem to be coming together to condemn. 66 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 4: Iran is the enemy of this state as well. Some 67 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 4: of them five years ago came with us to the 68 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 4: Ebrahm Accords and we have normalization and peace relations with them, 69 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 4: like the Emirates and the Bahrain others didn't. But we 70 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 4: wish to have peaceful relations with all of them. And 71 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: as a matter of fact, I think it's the interest 72 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 4: of their people and their countries, and I hope we 73 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 4: will reach that day. 74 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: And I think that defeating this. 75 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 4: Vicious regime will get us close to a different region. 76 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: So it is necessary that we will achieve our goals 77 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 4: in this mutual. 78 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: Operation with the United States of America. 79 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 4: And I believe we are already five decades that the 80 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: Iranian nation and its neighbors and the world had suffer 81 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 4: a lot from this regime and it doesn't have any 82 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 4: right to exist. And I hope that many governments in 83 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 4: the world will take actions, and they can take actions 84 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 4: by disconnecting connections with their regime. And I think it 85 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: is vital by the way Canada, Canada, which we had 86 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 4: a lot of disputes with on the Palestinian conflict, for example, 87 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 4: did that and did that before the war, and I 88 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: think it is crucial that many other states will do 89 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: that as well. 90 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: I'd like your quick reaction to the following and I'll 91 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: mention a few different foreign nations and some of the 92 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: rhetoric coming out of them. The French Foreign Minister says 93 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: that this should have been debated, this military action. 94 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: What is your response to that. 95 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 4: Well, when you plan such a thing, it is very 96 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 4: important to keep it in secret because then it is successful. 97 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 4: As we demonstrated in the first attack on the first 98 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 4: day was hugely successful, taking out supreme leader of this 99 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: vicious regime and so many of the heads of the 100 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 4: revolutionary Gods, which Europe itself designated as a tour organization. 101 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: We did it, and when you want to debate it. 102 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: It is tougher. 103 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 4: But I had a good conversation with the French minister 104 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: on the first day of this war, and I hope 105 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 4: they will take actions. It can be diplomatic actions as well, 106 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 4: in order to isolate and delegitimize this regime. It is 107 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: vital for the safety of the world. And by the way, 108 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 4: when I'm speaking with European minister. They are extremely worried 109 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 4: about this long range missiles that Iranians can use also 110 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 4: against Europe, and they declared, the Iranians declare that all 111 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 4: the armies of Europe are terror armies. So I think 112 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 4: it is also time for other states to step in 113 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 4: and to do something in order to create a safer world. 114 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: Would you say there's a difference between what they tell 115 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: you privately and often what they put out publicly. 116 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 4: There is some difference in some cases, but this is 117 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 4: the diplomatic world, and we always have more sympathy in 118 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: close rooms than we have in the international multilateral forums. 119 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: It is something we are used to experience. 120 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin has condemned these attacks. Have you heard of 121 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: anything more ridiculous than that? 122 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 4: That was funny when President PuTTY's Putin spoke about the 123 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 4: international law. Really it's something amazing, and it's not for 124 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: the first time that Russians are speaking about international law 125 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 4: or such things which they never implement themselves. 126 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: But it's not a surprise. 127 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 4: Iran was Russia's all in the war in Ukraine, so 128 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 4: it didn't came as a surprise for us. 129 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: Do you trust the United Kingdom. 130 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: I trust the IDF. 131 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: Lebanon Hesbela. 132 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 1: You've changed from a defensive war into an offensive war. 133 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: Your chief of staff of the IDF which you trust, 134 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: has said this could be extended. This could be a 135 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: much longer war. What do you need to achieve before 136 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: you consider it a win against Hesbola? Is it entire eradication? 137 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: They declare war on us during the night, very late 138 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 4: at night, they lunged missiles and drones to our city 139 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 4: and communities in the northern part of our country. It 140 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 4: only demonstrated that Lebanon, unfortunately is still under Iranian occupation. 141 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: They are not free. 142 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 4: With all their declarations about getting operational control on the 143 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: southern part of Lebanon. This is the places which from 144 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 4: the conduct Hissbella attacked against us last night. So it 145 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: demonstrated the importance that Lebanon will be free, and it 146 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 4: cannot be free until Hesbala will be dismantled. 147 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: Anyhow, we will act in. 148 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 4: Lebanon, and we launched as a response a massive attack 149 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 4: and we will continue to act there. But we are 150 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: not taking our eyes off the ball, which is the 151 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: war in Iran. Because Iran is the head of the snake. 152 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 4: Iran had financed his bola from the beginning from the 153 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 4: ceasefire during the last year with one point two billion dollars. 154 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 4: They're also financing hamas more than they did before this war, 155 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: So it is very important. All these tur proxies are 156 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: leaving finance trained by the Iranians, and to take out 157 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 4: this vicious regime will change the equation in much more 158 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 4: areas in this region. 159 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: Do you and America share the exact same goals for 160 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: this war or is there a scenario in which America 161 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: will stop because they've achieved theirs and Israel will continue. 162 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 4: Well, we both share the same analysis, and we share 163 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 4: the same goals, and we are consulting and we are 164 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 4: working together in a very intimate way. Of course, each 165 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 4: of the countries is still independent, it's not The leaderships 166 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 4: took decisions in both countries according to how they analyze 167 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 4: their interests, ourselves and also the Americans, and I believe 168 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 4: that we continue to consult and to work together. 169 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: Final question, looking ahead, what is a win? When does 170 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: it end? What does Israel need to know for sure? 171 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: Which certainty has occurred for you to again consider this 172 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: a win for Israel. 173 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 4: The objective is clear is to remove existential threats from 174 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 4: Iran for the long term, and this cannot happen while 175 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: this regime is in power, because they hadn't changed their goal, 176 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 4: so we will have to do it again within one 177 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 4: year or within two years, as we did last June. 178 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 4: So there must be a change there. Of course, we 179 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 4: take into consideration that it won't to be achieved during 180 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 4: this campaign itself, but the campaign should create the conditions 181 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 4: for the Iranian people, which are the only one that 182 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 4: can replace this regime. 183 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: And we will create. 184 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 4: The conditions by weakening this regime to an accent where 185 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 4: a regime change will be possible during the campaign or 186 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 4: after the campaign. But this is the only thing we 187 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 4: see as a mean to protect our will to remove 188 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 4: these existential threats from ourselves. 189 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: Foreign Minister, thank you so much for your time, and 190 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: thank you on behalf of the Western world for taking 191 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: up this fight leaving it and I'm very grateful. 192 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you Erin, thank you so much. 193 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 4: M