1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: This is Donna Jones and you are listening to That's 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 2: just what I needed. 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Hey, friend, if you've ever been. 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: In a conversation where you've walked away thinking, Wow, that 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: was just what I needed, you know how life giving 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: that can be, Well, that's what this podcast is all about. 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: We're women who want to know, love, and follow God 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: in our real lives, but sometimes wonder just how to 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: do it. So each week we'll talk about what following 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: God looks like in the midst of daily demands and 12 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,480 Speaker 2: crazy cultural chaos. Because this isn't just what we need, 13 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: it's actually exactly what we need. Hey, hey, my friend, 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: I am so glad you're here today. You are in 15 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: for a really fun conversation that is simultaneously deep. So 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: let me tell you a little bit about today's guest. 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: Her name is Cynthia Yanov from Dallas, Texas. She is 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: the mom of three. As you will soon find out, 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: she's an author, she's a podcaster, and get this, the 20 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 2: name of her podcast is called messed Marized in me 21 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: ss marized is that hilarious? And she also co hosts 22 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: the podcast Sidetracked and Feeding the Mouth that Bites You. 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 2: Cynthia has just written a great new book, and again 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: she's full of so much wisdom and so much fun. 25 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: You are about to be encouraged, my friend, so help me. 26 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: Welcome my new friend, Cynthia Yanov. 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: Well, Cynthia, welcome to the podcast, Donna. 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. It's so nice to meet you 29 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: and all your listeners. 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: I know, and it's so fun to have you on 31 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: the show because you are a fun girl, a fun 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: and deep and Jesus loving girl. 33 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: So you're my kind of girl. 34 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 3: Thank you. Yes, I love me a good time and 35 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: a good laugh for sure. 36 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: Well, you have this new book called How Did I 37 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: Miss That? 38 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: Which I kind of love that title because I feel like, Cyndia, 39 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 2: that's kind of the story of my life, How Did 40 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: I Miss That? But you have this subtitle gas Pump 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: Confessions and Drive Through Obsessions. So you use a lot 42 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: of awkward encounters in your book to draw spiritual applications. 43 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: So let's just go there, Cynthia, an awkward encounter that 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 2: you used to draw a spiritual conclusion. 45 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I love that. Well, I just grew up 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 3: in a house where laughter was currency, and I grew 47 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: up in a strong faith home too. But we've always 48 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 3: just been kind of talking. If you're gonna laugh about 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: it later, you should laugh about it now. And I'm 50 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 3: just grateful for that now because I feel like so 51 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: much of our faith has gotten so serious. And I'm 52 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: not saying faith isn't serious. It is, but listen, if 53 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: we're gonna only laugh at the things and find spiritual 54 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: application the things that are on script and when is planned, 55 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: that's like none of my life. That's like two percent 56 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: and the other ninety eight is like what just happened? 57 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 3: And so that's my hope in this book. How did 58 00:02:59,400 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: I miss that? 59 00:02:59,840 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: One? 60 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 3: I was trying to figure out like a title and 61 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 3: a theme. I'm like all the things that I knew 62 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: to be obvious, I know to be obvious my whole life. 63 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 3: How did I miss that? Like? I keep missing it? 64 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: So and to your question, I guess I'll just hit 65 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 3: the gas pump confessions. That's in the sub line of it. 66 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 3: And So I was going to speak at a big 67 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: event in Houston, which is about three hours from where 68 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: I live in Dallas, Texas. And I was driving and 69 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: I had to stop and get gas, and so I 70 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: stopped at BUCkies. Now I know you're in California, Donna, 71 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 3: do you know what BUCkies is? Do you are you? 72 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: I have absolutely no idea what BUCkies is. I feel 73 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: like I've heard of it, but I really know what 74 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: it is. Okay, it's heresy to call it a gas station. 75 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 3: They do happen to sell gas, but it is like 76 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: the most redneck, fabulously huge gas station esque place that 77 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: has everything from like grease and it has a sign 78 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 3: above like bacon grease. It's like the perfect gift. You're like, 79 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: what a beaver is? Its theme? Beaver onesies you wear 80 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: like it's crazy needle point taffy. Anyway, I stopped to 81 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 3: get gas. Y'all need to go to BUCkies. Have you 82 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: ever passed one there? 83 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: In a sun Well? 84 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, first of all, Cyndia, with a 85 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: name like BUCkies, you would expect it to me something 86 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: a little. 87 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: Bit like that. 88 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: It's something. It's something, y'all's okay. And so I stopped 89 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: to get gas and this woman and her daughter walk 90 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 3: up to me and they were like, hey, can you 91 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: give us some food? And I was like, I'm sorry, 92 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: I don't have any money and I don't I never 93 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 3: have a dime. And they were like no, could you 94 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 3: go into the store and get us food? And so 95 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 3: I did. But I'm going in my mind, I'm like 96 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,559 Speaker 3: all the things that you don't want to admit you're thinking, 97 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 3: but you're thinking. I'm like, okay, well, they're probably gonna 98 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 3: get me away from my car and rob me, like 99 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: break into my car, or maybe they want my kidney. 100 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I have in my mind all 101 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 3: these things that are gonna go wrong. So I grab food. 102 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 3: I get back out there, and again, I'm on the 103 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 3: way to this big speaking event. I need to get there, 104 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: like I'm the keynote speaker. So I handle the food. 105 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 3: They're lovely, they thank me, and I'm like, okay, i 106 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: gotta get out of here. So as I'm pulling off, 107 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: I hear the loudest crash and I forgot to take 108 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: the hose out of my car, and I ripped that 109 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: thing to Kingdom. Come you guys, I'm not talking. I 110 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 3: inched forward and it kind of pulled on the hose. No, 111 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 3: I was like five pumps ahead, and I'm like, oh 112 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: my gosh, and I see it flapping in a win Now, thankfully, 113 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 3: no gas does not spew everywhere because people like myself 114 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: are dumb and they have like some sort of O 115 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: ring or something and it stops. Okay, So but then 116 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: I had to make the decision on it. I'm like, well, 117 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: what do we do here? I'm like, it's the walk 118 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: of shame, so to speak. I had to go from 119 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 3: my car and take it out and walk it all 120 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 3: the way back to the pump, and I'm so embarrassed 121 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: that I put it in and there's a million people 122 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 3: Because BUCkies didn't have like four little gas things, it 123 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: has like one hundred and forty. So I'm like, hmm, 124 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 3: never mind me. So I tell that story like that's 125 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: just like any given Tuesday for Cynthia Yanoff. That's how 126 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 3: unfortunately I operate. But I do feel like the Lord 127 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: was speaking over time into that situation as I've told 128 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: that story and laughed about it, that I cared about 129 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 3: the platform and he cared about the pump. And that 130 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: doesn't mean that he doesn't care about our platform moments. 131 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: But my heart at the pump was not probably what 132 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: it should be. There were people that had a need, 133 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: and I was not interested in that need. I was 134 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: questioning that need. I was in a hurry. I felt 135 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: like I had bigger things that I needed to be doing. 136 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 3: And I feel like, maybe you don't speak on a 137 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 3: platform whoever's list, but we have these platform moments in 138 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 3: life that are the big moments where you know, we're 139 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: looking towards this, like it's the big vacation or the 140 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: job promotion or the retirement. And not to say God 141 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 3: can't honor those big moments, but he cares about the 142 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 3: small ones. And I feel like my book, hopefully, is 143 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: this culmination of moments of saying like, these little moments matter. 144 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: And Jesus said, like in the Good Smaritan, right, like 145 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: the levi the priest, they all walk past the guy 146 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 3: who's laying there that's been beaten. They're on their way 147 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 3: to do their religious things, and they miss that in 148 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: the Samaritan stopped. And I'm just saying, like, listen, every 149 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: single day we have opportunities. We encounter people, and how 150 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: are we going to approach them, How are we going 151 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 3: to show up? What are we going to care about? 152 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: Do we care more about those platform moments? Are we 153 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 3: going to step into those moments at the pump? So 154 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 3: that's kind of one of the takes from the book. 155 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: Okay, Cynthia that is so good on a couple levels. 156 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: Number one, because you laughed at yourself instead of berating 157 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: yourself like with how dumb I am. I can't believe 158 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: that you laughed at yourself, which is I'm so with 159 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: you on that. I'm all about laughing at myself. I 160 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: just think that's so healthy. But number two, that you 161 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: were self reflective enough to look back at that scenario 162 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: and go, you know what, that happened to me because 163 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: I was just so focused on getting to where I 164 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 2: thought I needed to go, and I kind of missed 165 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: the need right in front of me. And I think 166 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: a lot of times that's really helpful for us to 167 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: kind of self reflect on ourselves and our situations and 168 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: why things happen. And I think that's kind of what 169 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: you're driving toward in this book, right, is to do 170 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: everyday moments how they can actually be a light bulb 171 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: for us for spiritual moments. 172 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean I love Dallas Willard. He's a theologian. 173 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 3: He has this quote. He says, the general human failing 174 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: is to want what is right and important, but at 175 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: the same time not to commit to the kind of 176 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 3: life that will produce the action we know to be 177 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: right or the condition we want to enjoy. That's deep, 178 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: but basically the gist is like, we all want to 179 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 3: live lives that are important and right, and we're following 180 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: the Lord, but we're actually not willing to lean into 181 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 3: this lifestyle that allows that to happen. And I would 182 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 3: argue that that lifestyle, those pivots are just leaning into 183 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 3: the small moments. And I know that sounds maybe like 184 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: I've already heard that. I get you, I've heard it too, 185 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: But how'd I miss it? That's the point, right, these 186 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: little moments Man, that they have big significance. And so 187 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: whether that's in marriage, whether that's in our parenting, whether 188 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 3: that's in our friendships, how we reconcile with other people, 189 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 3: do we live generously? I think there's just moments after 190 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 3: moments where I hope that we can laugh at myself 191 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: missing it and saying, wait, you know what, Like this 192 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: is the thing. If we want to have the kingdom life, 193 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 3: the significant life, we've got to stop and assess and 194 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 3: be able to evaluate and say, hey, am I doing 195 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: those little things that are going to make the big difference? 196 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: Oh? That is so good? That is so good. 197 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: So you're basically saying I don't want to miss what 198 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: I'm missing, totally showing what I'm missing. You said that 199 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: as Christians are brand is love. You say, maybe we're 200 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: answering the wrong question. So what do you mean by that. 201 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: I used to be a lawyer. I went to law school. 202 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: I was a really bad lawyer. Everybody like not good. 203 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: I did meet my husband in law school, but when 204 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 3: you're doing work outside of your giftings, it's really hard 205 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 3: and you're just like I guess the partners in my 206 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 3: law firm would say I was good enough. I don't know, 207 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 3: but I wasn't. I remember years ago in law school. 208 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: It was the very first class I took contracts and 209 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: the whole class came down to one exam. So think 210 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 3: about that, like you have one test, one shot. And 211 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, well I'm a pretty good student, 212 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: so I think I'll be fine. So I went to 213 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 3: class and I joined the study group. I participated, and 214 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 3: the end of the semester came, I got the test. 215 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: I read the question. It was front and back, like 216 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 3: a legal scenario, and there's two questions. I mean, I'm 217 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: scribbling them out. Back when we had paper and pencil, 218 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 3: everyone scribbling it out. I'm like, nailed it. I know 219 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 3: this turn it in went and they had our grades 220 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 3: posted on the front doors of law school anonymously. I 221 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: look at my little number and it says F and 222 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: I laughed. I'm like, I'm a really good student. Like 223 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: somebody got an F, but it surely was not me. 224 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 3: And I looked again and the F was mine. And 225 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 3: so I went straight to the professor, like panicked, and 226 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 3: I was like, what in the world. The professor they 227 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 3: graded anonymously in law school was shocked too, and they're like, Cynthia, 228 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 3: you're the F. Like you came to class, you did 229 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: all the things, and he's like, here's what happened. He's like, 230 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: when you read the question, you read it wrong. And 231 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: he's like, and so you actually answered a question we 232 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 3: weren't asking. And he said, I don't know if it 233 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: makes you feel better, but if that's what we were asking, 234 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 3: that would have been an a response. And I'm like, no, 235 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: that does not feel better. But I think about that 236 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: moment and guys, we have one chance opportunities to show 237 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 3: this world what we're about. Our brand is love as Christians, right, 238 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 3: Like that's what Jesus said the greatest commandment, love God, 239 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 3: love your neighbor. And if our brand is love, then 240 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 3: every single day we have one chance encounters to answer 241 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: the questions being asked, and our culture is asking, am 242 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 3: I enough? Can I be loved? Tell me about your God? 243 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: Let me see how you live your life going through 244 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: all these questions. And I would just say, if you're 245 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: answering it with anything other than love, then you've misread 246 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 3: the question. And you have one chance encounters, as do 247 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 3: I every day, to show what we're about. I had 248 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 3: one chance on that test, and we have one chance 249 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: encounters with grocery clerks and with people on the street, 250 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 3: and with bosses that are not very nice. These one 251 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 3: chance encounters to an answer the questions, and our culture 252 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: is asking. And I think it doesn't matter if we go. 253 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm glad we go to church. I'm glad 254 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: you're in the Bible study and all the things. But listen, 255 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: I did all the things too, and I still missed it. 256 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 3: And I don't want us to miss it in a 257 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: culture that desperately is seeking answers. I want us to 258 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 3: answer with love. That's the question, that's the answer, And 259 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 3: how do we do that well? Every day, and so 260 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 3: that was kind of my experience of failing contracts. Good news, guys, 261 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 3: I got to take it twice. So if you ever 262 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: need a contract reviewed, I'm very well versed in contracts now. 263 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: And he will not misread the question. We will not 264 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: do that again. Okay. 265 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 2: One of the things that you say in your book 266 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: is that you encourage us to have our own personal 267 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore. 268 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: So, what did you mean by that? What does that 269 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: look like? 270 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 3: I don't know. If you guys follow Mark Patterson, He's 271 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: a pastor and author. He's just one of my very favorites. 272 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: In fact, he endorsed my first book, and I thought 273 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: like that was the end Jesus could come because I 274 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: love him so much. 275 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: I just think he's so impactful. Yeah, he wrote the 276 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: book by the Way of the Listeners. He wrote the 277 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: book The Circle Maker, right, Yes, yeah, I love him. 278 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: I do too. I love them. Oh, draw this circle. 279 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: I did that too. 280 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 3: I'm showing her. I draw the circle on my desk 281 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: because I'm praying right now, I'm drawing a circle around 282 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: this book as it gets released, that the Lord will 283 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: put it in the hands where it needs to be. 284 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,479 Speaker 3: But one time, when I was interviewing him on my podcast, 285 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 3: I notice he had three pictures behind his head and 286 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 3: I was like, who are those? And he was like, oh, 287 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: it's my own personal Mount Rushmore. And I was like, 288 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: tell me more about that, and he just talked about 289 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 3: how those are the people that impact him, like if 290 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore were familiar with Mount Rushmore, everybody, if that's 291 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 3: like supposed to represent America, and it's Washington, Jefferson, Roosevelt, Lincoln, well, 292 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 3: who is representing faith to him? And he said, I 293 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: just want us to have people in our lives that 294 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: point us back to how to do it well in 295 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 3: our faith. And those were his people. And so I 296 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: started like a little a mini deep dive because I 297 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 3: have the tension span of a nat but I did 298 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: a many deep dive on Mount Rushmore cause I've never been. 299 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: And it took fourteen years and a million dollars okay 300 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: to do Mount Rushmore. And ninety percent of it was 301 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: big dine in my blasts, but the last ten percent 302 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: was just little individual carving motions. And I couldn't help 303 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 3: but think, like fourteen years, you got to believe year 304 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: four year seven people walked by and they were like, 305 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: what is this. This looks like nothing. What a waste 306 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: of money, right, But then as it all came together 307 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: in the individual carvings, it had this huge portrait of America. 308 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: And I just think of it this way for us, like, listen, 309 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 3: we ninety percent of it is dynamite, but that ten 310 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: percent is making a difference. Those little things we're doing, 311 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: and they seem like nothing. People walking by probably aren't 312 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 3: going to carry you on their shoulders and chant your 313 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 3: name because you took a cats roll across the street 314 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 3: or you were kind to someone, or you offered forgiveness 315 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: or whatever the things are. But those are the things 316 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 3: that are chipping away that portrait of Jesus, just like 317 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 3: Mount Rushmore was doing. And so I encourage us to 318 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 3: have people to have images. Maybe you don't have pictures 319 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: on your wall. I plan to do that after I 320 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: get this book out. But who are the people that 321 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 3: you can look to quite literally and say, man, they're 322 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: doing it well. This encourages me to do it well. 323 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 3: I want to do faith in a way. It looks 324 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,319 Speaker 3: like they're doing it obviously, first and foremost the Bible 325 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: and the Jesus, But who are the people around you? 326 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: And so it just challenged me to have my own 327 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: personal amount rushmore a few people that are on mind 328 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 3: that you know, I don't have to go into we can, 329 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: but I just encourage you to find those people around 330 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: you that are really doing faith right, that can encourage 331 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 3: you and point you in that direction and follow their lead. 332 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:22,239 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a word. That's a word because we need community. 333 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: And you talk about community in the book, you talk 334 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: about friendship, and you talk about reconciliation too in the book, 335 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: and so let's talk about that since we're talking about 336 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: community and friendship and love, because that kind of all 337 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: goes together. 338 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. I'm very fortunate. I love that I 339 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: get to speak a lot of different places all over 340 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: the country, and a lot of times I'm asked to 341 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: speak on friendship. And it used to be like, let's 342 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: do a how to on friendship, and I decided, I 343 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: don't know that we need a how to. I think 344 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: we need a why to? Like, why does it actually 345 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: matter this community that we all talk about? Again, to 346 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: the point of my book, how did I miss that? 347 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: I've known my whole life community matters and surrounding myself 348 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 3: by people, Yet somewhere along the way became a luxury item, 349 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: like when my husband isn't traveling as much, or my 350 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: kids are older, our finances are better. And I would 351 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: just say this, My favorite story in the Bible is 352 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: the four guys that carry the paralytic on a mat 353 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: and they take him to see Jesus and they can't 354 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 3: get in, so they go to the roof and they 355 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: cut a hole and they lower him before Jesus, and 356 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: Jesus says what he says, I'm gonna heal you first 357 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 3: spiritually and then physically. Well, like that's a sermon in 358 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: and of itself, but then he goes on to say, 359 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: I'm healing you because the faith of your friends. And 360 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: if Jesus is healing people because of the faith of 361 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: their friends, then you have to know that your circle matters. 362 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: And I used to when I would talk about this, 363 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 3: I'd be like, listen, there's people that are on the 364 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 3: mat that need to be carried to Jesus. And I 365 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: believe that's true. There are people all around us every 366 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: single day that will not get healing without Jesus. But 367 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 3: here's the flip side of that. I've realized I'm the 368 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: one on the mat and so are you, and I 369 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 3: may not be physically paralyzed, but I am spiritually paralyzed. 370 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: And it's every time that I would rather have it 371 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 3: easy than do the things God calls me to. When 372 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: I'm bitter, when I'm zimpful, when I can't forgive people 373 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: like I'm spiritually paralyzed, and I have to have people 374 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: around me that are willing to pick up my mat 375 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: and carry my chubby behind up to the second floor 376 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: and lower me before Jesus and say, sister, you aren't 377 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: gonna get healing without Jesus, and we're gonna get you 378 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: there no matter the cost. And that's what community is. 379 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that's the seven hundred people you know, 380 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: that's the two three, four crazy friends like that paralytic cat. 381 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: That's your community. And so I just encourage us as 382 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: I speak to people. I don't hear people ever tell 383 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 3: me I have too much good community, too many people 384 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: around me. No, we want deep community. And so I 385 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: think we have to realize it's not just oh, that's 386 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: a good suggestion. It's not oh, when I have more time. 387 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: It's not luxury. It's critical in our spiritual walk because 388 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: people around this need us to carry a mat. And 389 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: also we're on the mat and we need to be carried. 390 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: So that's my two cents on friendship. I mean, we 391 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: can talk reconciliation if you want. I will just say this, 392 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 3: at a minimum, I think the number one friendship killer 393 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: is an inability to reconcile with people. Well, and I 394 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: think that's something worth considering in your own life. 395 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a word. Okay, so let's go there. 396 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: Since you feel like that's the number one friendship killer, 397 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: so let's talk about that a little bit. 398 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's hard, right if you're going to 399 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: surround yourself with people. They're flawed and broken, and so 400 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: are you, and so am I, and so they're going 401 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 3: to mess up. And I tell the story in the book. 402 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 3: My grandfather always hated old Man Heinsman. We don't know why, 403 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 3: but he hated old Man Heinsman. And one day my 404 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 3: dad drove up to his house and my grandfather was 405 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: putting a chain link fence around his house. And my 406 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: dad was like, what in Heaven's name are you doing? Literally, 407 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 3: like in a residential neighborhood, that's what he's doing. My 408 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 3: dad goes up, he's like, what's up, And he's like, 409 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 3: I got to keep old man Heinsman out. So my 410 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 3: dad's like, enough's enough. We're going to go fine, old 411 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: man Heinsman, We're going to work it out. So my 412 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 3: dad goes and knocks on the door. The wife answers 413 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: and said, oh, old man Heinsman's been dead for a decade. 414 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: And we laugh about that all the time. We're like, 415 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, but really, is it that far off 416 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: from how we live. We build fences around ourselves to 417 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 3: keep other people out, and we're really imprisoning ourselves. And 418 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 3: here's the thing. Reconciliation matters. We hear about it in 419 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 3: the New Testament. It says like if you're going up 420 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: and you're giving an offering at the altar and you 421 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 3: know a brother has something against you, set it down, 422 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: go deal with that. Like this is talking to religious 423 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 3: people that are giving an offering an alter don't go 424 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 3: forward with that, like, go deal with what's going on. 425 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: And I think for us, like that's a word, like 426 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 3: we gotta deal with the hard stuff and the people 427 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 3: that hurt our feelings and get it wrong. Because listen, 428 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,239 Speaker 3: the enemy is real, and it's not her, whoever she is, 429 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 3: she's not the enemy. There is a real one that 430 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 3: comes to steal, keel and destroy. And so if we 431 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: divide and separate, well that's a problem. So I think, 432 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: maybe for myself, I'm just gonna say, for me and 433 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 3: maybe somebody listening, it's time to accept the apology. It's 434 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 3: time to offer the apology. It's time to assume the 435 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,880 Speaker 3: best in people. It's a time to fill the voids 436 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 3: with positive assumptions. It's time to let some things go, 437 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 3: because there is a real enemy. It is not whoever. 438 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 3: Are there some hard places, some seasons for friendship, maybe 439 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 3: sometimes where we do need to put some distance in, Yes, 440 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 3: But I'm not talking about those. I'm talking about the 441 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: everyday little squabbles and things, and y'all we've got to 442 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 3: learn to reconcile better. 443 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: That's so good. That's so good. 444 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break, and when we 445 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 2: come back, I want to ask you about a particular 446 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: story in your book. Okay, So, Cynthia, you have been 447 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: just filling us with lots of wisdom here, but you 448 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: talk about something in your book that is called Moed. 449 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 1: Did I pronounce that the right way Moed? 450 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 3: Moed? 451 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 2: Yes? 452 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 3: From the Bible? Yes? 453 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So, first of all, what is that and how 454 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 2: is that game changing in our life? 455 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: Well, okay, if you've had to wait for anything and 456 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: wait on God, which if you have lived longer than 457 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: about a day and a half, you've been waiting on something. 458 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 3: It's so frustrating, right, Like you're like, you are the 459 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: god of the universe, you can do anything, yet you aren't. 460 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 3: You haven't, you won't. I don't understand. And so I 461 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 3: was reading about Tobacca, which, by the way, nobody's like, oh, yesterday, 462 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: I was reading Habacca, let's talk about that. I realized 463 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 3: it's kind of obscure that Tobacca was frustrated, like his 464 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: country was in demise Judah, it was falling apart, and 465 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 3: God said he was going to fix it, but he's 466 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 3: gonna use Babylon. Well, they hated Babylon. And he's like, 467 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: are you kidding me? That's your way? And so it 468 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: says in Habacca to one that he Habakka decided he 469 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 3: was going to go and stand on a rampart. I 470 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 3: don't know what a rampart is other than this, it 471 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 3: meant somewhere high. He went to the highest place to 472 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 3: wait on God. And I just think there's something there 473 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 3: like we need to go to higher places when we're 474 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 3: waiting on God, when we feel like it's kind of 475 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 3: gotten desolate. We get caught up in these situations, these 476 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 3: moments where we feel like there's no hope. And I 477 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 3: think we got to follow that lead, like we got 478 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 3: to get on the rampart, go to higher ground and 479 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 3: wait on God and see what He's going to do 480 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: for me. I laugh. I talk about this in the 481 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 3: beginning of how' I Missed That about how I was 482 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 3: back in the Allier days. I was going to work 483 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 3: one day and I was on a different level the 484 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 3: parking garage trying to park, and I was disgruntled with 485 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: my job and God wasn't changing my career, and I 486 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 3: was just frustrated, and I literally ran my car. I 487 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: lodged it between the ramp and the lower level of 488 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 3: the garage because the clearance was lower than when I 489 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: usually parked, and I didn't know that I missed the 490 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: low clearance signe and I literally lodged my car in 491 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 3: there and there I sat, humiliated. Forty five minutes into this, 492 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 3: Finally they send parking attendance and I'm like, what's taking 493 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: so long? I have an important job on the forty 494 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: fifth floor. I need to get up to this law firm, 495 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: and they let me know that they had to call 496 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 3: in a structural engineer. How embarrassing is that, because when 497 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: you lodge your car in a parking garage, you become 498 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: a load bearing wall. Just FYI, everybody. And so they 499 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 3: finally get it clear to the structural engineer and they 500 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 3: get my car out. But I think about those days, 501 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 3: like listen, I was on basement level parking garage level. 502 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,640 Speaker 3: I thought the important work was happening on the forty 503 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 3: fifth floor, and the Lord is like, no, we're going 504 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 3: to do some basement level work. And in those basement 505 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 3: level moments, that's when the structural integrity of our faith 506 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: can be checked out. That's when the Lord's like, hey, 507 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 3: we need to work on some things that may feel 508 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 3: like they're just you issues, but these are the things 509 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: that really can impact the structural integrity of everything you're 510 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 3: doing in your face. And so I would just say 511 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 3: in those waiting moments, like find a higher vantage point, 512 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 3: go and wait for God's Moed. That's the other part 513 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 3: that's kind of to your question Habaka talks about. Is 514 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 3: it said Moed is the appointed time and God's moed 515 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 3: is better than ours, right, and we don't understand it, 516 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 3: but sometimes there's just a weight involved. And so I 517 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: would just encourage you. If you're sitting right now and 518 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: you're like waiting on God to do something, you're frustrated, 519 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 3: you feel stalled out or stuck or overlooked or underqualified 520 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 3: or set aside. That listen two things. One, don't assume 521 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: the most important work is happening on the forty foot 522 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 3: floor and you're stuck in the basement, because God works 523 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 3: really big in basements. Second of all, allow the structural 524 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: integrity of your faith to be looked at, to be considered, 525 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 3: to be champion, to be tested, all those things, because 526 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 3: sometimes what feels like punishment is provision and protection from 527 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 3: the Lord. And then go to higher ground and wait 528 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 3: patiently on the Lord because his moed, his appointed time, 529 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 3: is always better than ours. 530 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: Gosh, that makes me to go read the Book of 531 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: a Back. I really love several things that you mentioned 532 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: there in your waiting. You were in your stuck place, 533 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: I mean, you were stuck in the basement and you 534 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: were just waiting. You couldn't do anything. It was the 535 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: structural integrity that was the issue. And I think that 536 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 2: sometimes in our busyness of life, that we don't have 537 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 2: the bandwidth to really look at the structural integrity of 538 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: our motives or our actions, or just our priorities. And 539 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: I think it's in those moments where God just has 540 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 2: us waiting that he's saying, I don't want you to 541 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: miss this. I don't want you to miss this. You're 542 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 2: in this season because I want you to look at 543 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 2: some of these things. And you know what, Cynthia, something 544 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 2: that I've been thinking about is when you first come 545 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 2: to Christ. A lot of times, especially if people come 546 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: to Christ when they're adults, then there is a lot 547 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: of reconstruction that happens in their lives, maybe some habits 548 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: that are replaced, or some priorities. Just it's a little 549 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: bit more obvious. But when you walking with the Lord 550 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 2: for a long time, then some of those structural issues 551 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 2: aren't as obvious, but it's still just as important because 552 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: we've never arrived, we've never been fully complete, and so 553 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: we're always being transformed into the image of Christ. But 554 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: the only way we do that is if we take 555 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 2: the time to really see where we're not conformed to 556 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: the image of Christ and allow him to do that. 557 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: So I love that story on so many levels. That 558 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: was a great story. 559 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 3: Well thank you, And let me add something that I 560 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: love what you're saying about that and how important that 561 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 3: is and we overlook it. And you know how they 562 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 3: got my car out of the parking garage that day. 563 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 3: They kept saying, wait for Manny, Manny'll be here. I 564 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 3: thought Manny was going to have some heavy equipment. I 565 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 3: don't know what I thought, but Manny was just a 566 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 3: really really large man, like obese. And Manny got there 567 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: and they kind of let the air out of the 568 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 3: tires and then they said go for it, Manny. And 569 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 3: Manny stood on the running board of my SUV and 570 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: jumped up and down over and over and over again, 571 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 3: and his weight with the air coming out of the tires, 572 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 3: lowered my car enough to get it out of the 573 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 3: parking garage. And I say this all the time when 574 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: I speak, but I say, listen, I hate to liken 575 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 3: myself to the Manning in your life, but we all 576 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 3: need someone that's jumping up and down on the running board. 577 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: It's like, hey, you're missing it. Hey, Like we got 578 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 3: to slow this down. And I would just say Yeah, 579 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 3: to your point, it's hard in those moments. It feels 580 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 3: like everyone's passing you by, everyone has different opportunities, whatever. 581 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: But listen, in those basement moments is when I think 582 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: the Lord is saying, I'm going to do something later 583 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 3: with this. I hear you asking, but let's get the 584 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 3: structural integrity intact. Let's put A before B and not 585 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: the other direction, because nobody ends up well if we 586 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 3: get it reversed. I think God's too kind to let 587 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 3: that happen. God's too kind to let that happen. 588 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: That is good, Okay, And speaking of kindness is kind 589 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 2: of a funny segue. But I did want to ask 590 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 2: you about this because Foster cares a big part of 591 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: your life, right, And I don't really know much about 592 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: your story in terms of that, but that's been a 593 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 2: big part of your life. And so what are the 594 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 2: things that you feel like God has taught you about 595 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: that that maybe you were like. 596 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: How did I miss that? 597 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? There's so much I could say, and I'll just 598 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 3: keep it brief. Yes, I'm probably the only mom you 599 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 3: know that has one kiddo in law school, one in college, 600 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 3: and a nine year old, So I'm literally doing math 601 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 3: facts and menopause, and that is not God's best for anybody. 602 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 3: Let me just tell you that right now. But we 603 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 3: do have a little one we adopted from foster care, 604 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 3: and I remember in the Lord started laying it on 605 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: our heart to do foster care. I'm like, you've got 606 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 3: to be kidding. I think that's for like missionaries or 607 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 3: people in the handbell choir, Like, I don't think that's 608 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 3: gonna work for us. Lord, But yet he was relentless, 609 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 3: and I'm so thankful he was. But here's what I 610 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 3: know about foster care. I went into it scared of 611 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 3: what it would do to our family, our bio kids, 612 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: and I was scared emotionally. I was scared physically, financially, spiritually. 613 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 3: If you could be scared of something, I was scared 614 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 3: of it. I went in scared of foster care, and 615 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 3: I came out scared of who our family would be 616 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: if we had not done it. Because you're changed people 617 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 3: when you do the things of God, when you do 618 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 3: the hard things, when you're forced to stand alone. We 619 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: didn't know people doing foster care at the time. You 620 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,640 Speaker 3: are different people. My family is different because we've been 621 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 3: in CPS offices in parts of town that I was 622 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 3: trying to avoid with my kids. We sat rooms of 623 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 3: stories I didn't want my kids to know about, with 624 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: kids with everything they owned in a trash bag, and 625 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 3: we literally as a family cried over a crib of 626 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: a baby we barely knew, night after night and begged 627 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: God to do something mighty for him because we knew 628 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 3: how this would play out if he didn't. And you're 629 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 3: changed on the other side of that, friends, and I remember, finally, 630 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,400 Speaker 3: after a long series of events, we got to adopt 631 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 3: this little guy. His names JB are youngest now. And 632 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: when we went to court, there is his old Borth 633 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: certificate from his bio family, and they gave a new 634 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: one and they said, this old one's no longer valid. 635 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 3: It was part of the legal proceedings and here's his 636 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 3: new one. And since that time, I'll tell you, like 637 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 3: JB is amazing. But does he get it wrong a lot? Yes? 638 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 3: Does he say things we don't want him to say? Yes? 639 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 3: Does he act in ways we don't love. Sure, But 640 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 3: not one time have we gone back and said, where's 641 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 3: that old certificate? Pull it out of the safe man though, 642 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 3: because he has been adopted into our family and you 643 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 3: know what, here's the deal. Identity is not dictated by behavior, 644 00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 3: and that's how it is with us with the lot 645 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: Like my goodness, you guys, if you know Jesus is 646 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,959 Speaker 3: your Lord and savior, then you are adopted into his family. 647 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 3: The old identity is gone, and you were going to 648 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 3: get it wrong. You are getting it wrong, so am I, 649 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: and you're gonna mess it up, and you were going 650 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 3: to do things that He never wanted for us. Yet 651 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 3: at the same time we are still his, we are 652 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 3: adopted into his family. Nobody's looking for the old identity 653 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 3: because we have a new and it sealed. And so 654 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 3: my hope is, I think for all of us, whether 655 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 3: you've done foster care or you know, adoption or whatever, 656 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,280 Speaker 3: if we could lean into that and understand that process 657 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 3: that when you accept Jesus, you have a new identity 658 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 3: and nothing changes that. And do we need to be 659 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 3: forgiven for our sins daily? 660 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: Yes? 661 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 3: Do we need to try a little bit harder, do 662 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: a little better. Surely we're not just going to live 663 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 3: in that yet. If you know your identity and you 664 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 3: know who you are and whose you are, you will 665 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 3: live your days differently. Your life will look different. You 666 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: will lean into things you are trying to avoid. You 667 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 3: will see stories you never wanted to encounter, and you 668 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 3: will go into things scared of what it will do 669 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 3: to your family, and you will come out on the 670 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 3: other side scared of who you would be if you 671 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 3: had not done the very thing that God called over 672 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:00,479 Speaker 3: your life. 673 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: Oh that's a word. That is a word. 674 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 2: Well, Cynthia, I have loved all of the wisdom, really, 675 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 2: I mean, and with all of these stories, you've given 676 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: us so much content, You've given us so much wisdom, 677 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 2: and it's been just what I needed. So I'm sure 678 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: it's been just what my listeners have needed. But as 679 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 2: we're winding of your tell our listeners how they can 680 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: get a copy of your book and connect with you. 681 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, and thank you for saying that, and 682 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: what little wisdom I have came from doing it wrong, 683 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 3: Hence the title How'd I miss that? So? Yes, missed it, 684 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: missed it, still missing it? But yeah, I would love 685 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 3: for you to grab a copy of the book if 686 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 3: you want to laugh a lot, and hopefully you get 687 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: some spiritual truth too. And it's available as of February third, 688 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 3: wherever you get books, Amazon, all the places and then 689 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 3: you can follow me on social It's Cynthia Yanov. It's 690 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 3: one f it's a weird last name, and yeah, I 691 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 3: would love you. 692 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: Know. 693 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: If I can ever pray for you, dm me. If 694 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 3: I can pray for you, if I can encourage you, 695 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 3: if I can laugh with or at you's even better. 696 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 3: I'm here for that. But yeah, just social media isn't 697 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 3: get a spot to find me. My book's out, love it. 698 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: We will put all that information in the show notes. Cynthia, 699 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: thank you so much for being on the podcast. I 700 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 3: have loved getting to know you and this has just 701 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 3: been a joy. Thanks Donna, so good to be here. 702 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: Wasn't that a great conversation, so fun and yet so 703 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: real life and yet so deep all my favorite things fun, 704 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: real life, deep. 705 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: Love that. 706 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: And as a reminder, if we haven't connected on social media, 707 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 2: let's do that. You'll find me at Donna A. Jones 708 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 2: And you can find lots of free resources on my 709 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: website Donna Jones dot org. And if you have not 710 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: subscribed to this podcast, why don't you do that right now? 711 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 2: In fact, before this even ends, just hit subscribe because 712 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 2: you don't want to miss a single episode. And as always, 713 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 2: my friend, I can't wait to see you next time, 714 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: for that's just what I needed.