1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to this week on Capitol Hill. You're insider's guide 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: to the story shaping our nation and the world. I'm 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: your host, Jody Heis. Before we begin, a quick note 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: for our this week on Capitol Hill. Family, Tony's father, 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Richard Perkins, was called home to be with the Lord 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: this week. 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 2: He was eighty six years. 8 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: Old, and I know that all of you joined me 9 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: in praying for Tony and his family as they mourn 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: the laws right now of an incredible man, a deeply 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: devoted husband, a very loving father, and a faithful, faithful 12 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: friend to so many of us. In fact, Tony shared 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: on his social media earlier this week that because of Christ, 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: death does not have the final word, so we indeed 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: all rejoice that Richard Perkins is now with his Savior. 16 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: Well. 17 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: With Tony stepping away from hosting this week in order 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: to be with his family, it's my honor, indeed to 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: be sitting in for him, and again, thank you for 20 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: joining us. 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: All right, let's get to it now. 22 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: The third longest shut down in American history. They like 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: making history on the other side, the wrong kind. They 24 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: had the longest shut down in history last fall, as 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: we all know, and now they've got the third. 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: That was House Speaker Mike Johnson on Tuesday. So how 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: has the partial DHS shutdown left America vulnerable to terrorism? Well, 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: I'll discuss that later with former Acting Deputy Secretary of 29 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: the Department of Homeland Security Ken Kuchinelli. And now that 30 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: the Senate has begun debate on the Save America Act, Ken, 31 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: Republicans pushed through this vital election integrity measure with Democrats 32 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: peddling live is in vowing to block it. 33 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 4: Let's be clear, Senate Democrats will never allow the Save 34 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: Act to pass this chamber. Senate Democrats will hold the 35 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 4: line as long as necessary because with this bill, democracy 36 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 4: is at stake, and I want to be very clear, 37 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 4: the Save Act is not about voter identification, It's about 38 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 4: voter suppression. 39 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: Well, that was Senate Democrat Leader Chuck Schumer earlier this week, 40 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: and Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan will be joining us to 41 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: weigh in. And what does the escalating conflict with Iran 42 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: reveal about the dangerous ties between Tehran and the Chinese 43 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: Communist Party. Well, Michigan Congressman John Molinaure, who is the 44 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: chairman of the House Select Committee on the CCP. He'll 45 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: be joining us later to discuss that all that in 46 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: morphs coming up on this week on Capitol Hill. All right, 47 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: heated debate raged on the Senate floor this week as 48 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: Republican senator's fault to advance the Save America Act, which 49 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: requires proof of US citizenship for federal voter registration and 50 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: also voter ID in order to vote. Will join us 51 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: to break all of this down. Is Casey Harper with 52 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: the Washington Stand. Casey, welcome back to this week on 53 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill. 54 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: Thanks Jody. 55 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: All right, So it looks like both sides are digging 56 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: in over the Save America Act, so catch us up 57 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: on the latest what's happening. 58 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: You're right, they are digging in, Jody. 59 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 5: As you heard that cup of Schumer, you played democracy 60 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 5: itself as at stake. Although I think the Democrats might 61 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 5: be in danger of crying wolf on democracy because several 62 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 5: times democracy has been mistake. I think the election of 63 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 5: President Trump was the death of democracy, which is kind 64 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 5: of ironic that an election could be the death of democracy, 65 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 5: but that's what they said. So I guess democracy has 66 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 5: been resurrected and will be killed again by this latest 67 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 5: bill to require voter ID, which Schumer also says is racist. 68 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: Now, let's just go through what does the. 69 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 5: Save Act actually do just a refresher. It requires voter 70 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 5: ID to vote, It requires proof of citizenship to register 71 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 5: to vote, It cleans up the voter roles on a 72 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 5: regular basis, and it puts limits on mail in voting. Now, 73 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 5: of course, Democrats are saying that it disenfranchises people that 74 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 5: to be too hard to get some of these documented documents, 75 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 5: and Republicans are saying, well, actually, this is how we 76 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 5: secure our elections, and they're tightening up how hard it 77 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 5: is to register to vote because some of these blue 78 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 5: states they just hand out driver's license like candy, and 79 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 5: so it's very easy to get a driver's license even 80 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 5: if you're. 81 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: Not a citizen. 82 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 5: Now, Utah Senator Mike Lee has been an avid supporter 83 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 5: of the bill, and I think we actually have a 84 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 5: clip here of him defending it from critics. 85 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 6: Suggesting that twenty twenty one million Americans will be disenfranchised. 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: If this becomes law. That is a lie. That is 87 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: an absolute lie. It's just not true to. 88 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 6: Those pedaling this lie, I strongly suggest I implore you 89 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 6: to check your cross tabs verify your survey participants, do 90 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 6: your homework, and more than anything, even if you don't 91 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 6: spend any time with the survey at all or inspect 92 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 6: the methodology. 93 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: Read the bill. 94 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 5: So Jody, both sides dug in here, But it looks 95 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 5: like this debate could go on for several days, even 96 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 5: another week. 97 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: Well, this is an extremely important bill, you know, certainly 98 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: not only for Americans, I think as a whole to 99 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: secure elections and Republicans in general, but I think Republicans 100 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: also know how important this is to President Trump. So 101 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: how is that shaping the process? 102 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: Well, that's definitely true. 103 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 5: And this vote would in this debate would not be 104 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 5: happening if it were not for the president. And as 105 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 5: of now, that really doesn't look like it has enough votes, 106 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 5: but that could change. 107 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: Now. 108 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 5: We're seeing some concerns from like Republican Lisa Murkowski, who's 109 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 5: concerned about the limits on mail and voting because mail 110 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 5: and voting is really important in Alaska, where it makes 111 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 5: it very difficult to travel. But Senator John Thuhn is 112 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 5: saying that they're going to use this issue against Democrats 113 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 5: coming into November because this is the simple fact that 114 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 5: Democrats can't vote for voter ID is a political liability, 115 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 5: and I think we have a clip of foon right here. 116 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 7: We can play in cities in Vermont, California. 117 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 2: Right here in Washington, d c. 118 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 7: Non citizens are allowed to vote in local elections. So 119 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 7: it should be no surprise that Democrats seem not to 120 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 7: care very much about ensuring that American citizens and American 121 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 7: citizens only are voting in our national elections. 122 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: But it is deeply concerning, Jody. 123 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 5: Just three quick stats to show you that even if 124 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 5: the Senate is not fully on board, President Trump does 125 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 5: have the backing of the American people and a lot 126 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 5: of these line items. First, eighty five percent of voters 127 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 5: say only US citizens should be allowed to vote. 128 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: I mean that's cross parties. 129 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 5: Seventy one percent say they support this very specific bill, 130 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 5: the Save America Act, and eighty one percent support states 131 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 5: removing non citizens from voter roles. So it has the 132 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 5: support of American people, but it still faces an uphill battle. 133 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: Well, it certainly could be an issue in the upcoming election. Casey, 134 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: let me switch gears with you. The partial DHS shutdown 135 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: I really hit Americans hard this past week with massive 136 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: airport delays, flight cancelations, and the like, what's the latest 137 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: on ending that mess? 138 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 5: Well, sadly, Jodie, there's been little progress on ending the 139 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 5: partial shutdown as we have hundreds of TSA workers quitting 140 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 5: or not showing up for work in three to four 141 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 5: hour lines at airports. On top of that, and I'm 142 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 5: not hearing as much reporting about this, but we've had 143 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 5: several domestic terror attacks, not just this year but in 144 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 5: recent years. But more recently we have had austin New 145 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 5: York City, Old Dominion University and more. So, you know, 146 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 5: it's pretty troubling, but we do have negotiations ongoing. On Thursday, 147 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 5: there is a bipartisan group of Senators which included members 148 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 5: of the Appropriations Committee and a group of Democrats. 149 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: Key Democrats that. 150 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 5: Actually helped negotiate the end of the last shutdown, if 151 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 5: you remember, they met privately with at the Capital with 152 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 5: Tom Holman, who's the borders are for President Trump, where 153 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 5: they likely discussed reforms to Ice, which has really been 154 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 5: a key sticking point. And one more really interesting thing Jody, 155 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 5: that's happened is Senate Majority leader in. 156 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: John Thune, he suggested the Senate. 157 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 5: Is going to start skipping their recesses and working through 158 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 5: the weekend if the Department of Homeland Security is not funded, 159 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 5: which is, as you know, is very unusual for the Senate, 160 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 5: which loves their weekends. 161 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: Wow. 162 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: All right, And one other things before I let you go. 163 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: The Iran conflict continues to escalate, and Israel struck a 164 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: key gas field on Wednesdays, of course, parking fears of 165 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: more Iranian counter strikes on neighboring golf energy sites. And 166 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: there are now some essa most that suggest God may 167 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:05,479 Speaker 1: need another two hundred billion dollars to sustain the operations. 168 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: What are you hearing with all this? 169 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,719 Speaker 5: Well, on that oil field specifically, President Trump said in 170 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 5: his meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister, which I covered, 171 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 5: that he personally spoke to Israel about that and said 172 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 5: it won't be happening again. He told him he didn't 173 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 5: like it and didn't want to do it. There has 174 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 5: been some reporting that it actually was coordinated, but that's 175 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 5: what the President said in the meeting. As for the 176 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 5: costs of the war, that two hundred billion dollar figure, 177 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 5: it really depends on how long the war goes, and 178 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 5: if it drags on and on the war, the figure 179 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 5: could rise. And at a press event, Secretary Pete Hegseth, 180 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 5: he was asked about that two hundred billion dollar figure. 181 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 5: He said that money is needed to replenish US missile stockpiles, 182 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 5: among other things. 183 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: And it's not really surprising. 184 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 5: Because Hegseth said that we've struck seven thousand targets across 185 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 5: Iron not to mention all the ammunition that's fired defensively 186 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 5: to fend off these drone and ballistic missile attacks. 187 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: So we've depleted some of our ammunition. 188 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 5: And of course, Jody, President Biden in the last administration 189 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 5: gave a way hundreds of billions of dollars in munitions 190 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 5: to Ukraine, which is another point that the President has 191 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 5: been making. 192 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: Only about thirty seconds, Casey, But how do you see 193 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: this playing out in Congress? You think they'll come on 194 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: board to infuse another two hundred billion. 195 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 5: Well, a couple of dimensions on Congress is these repeated 196 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 5: warpower votes have failed in the Senate, which is worth noticing. 197 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 5: On the funding, Democrats are totally opposed to the funding request, 198 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 5: of course, which is not a surprise. But on the 199 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 5: Republican side, it's an uphill battle as well. Some Republicans 200 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 5: are saying they want it to be paid for, and 201 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 5: I think it's gonna be hard to do that unless 202 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 5: we get a big reconciliatation package, which it could still happen. 203 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: It could happen. All right, Thank you, Casey Harper from Washington. 204 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: Stand all right, stay tuned. We've got much more coming 205 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: your way on this week on Capitol Hill. Joining me 206 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: next is Congressman John Molinar, so stay with us, will 207 00:10:52,000 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: be right back. Welcome back to this week on Capitol Hill. 208 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Chody. Heis sitting in for Tony this week. 209 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: All right. 210 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: With the US and Iran conflict now in its third week, 211 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: one of the key factors enabling Iran's continued resistance is 212 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 1: its deepening economic and military ties to the Chinese Communist Party. 213 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 1: In fact, the CCP purchases the bulk of Iran's sanctioned oil, 214 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: and it also supplies critical components to sustain to Ron's 215 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: missile and drone programs. Well, we want to talk more 216 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: about that, and joining me now for that conversation is 217 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: Congressman John Molinar. He's the chairman of the House Select 218 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: Committee on Strategic Competition between the United States and the 219 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party. He represents the second Congressional District of 220 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: the Great State of Michigan. Congressman Molinar, great to see you. 221 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for us on this week on Capitol Hill. 222 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for having me, Jody. 223 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 8: It's great to see again and I appreciate the opportunity to. 224 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 2: Talk with you. Well, let's start with this. 225 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: I think this is a very interesting discussion that many 226 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: people are not aware of. Let's start with can you 227 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: describe force, let's say, the nexus if you will, between 228 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: Iran and China, and how China directly supports the regime's 229 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: war efforts. 230 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 8: Well, as you know, China the buys, as you mentioned earlier, 231 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 8: a lot of the Iranian oil. In fact, about ninety 232 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 8: percent of the oil from Iran is sold to China, 233 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 8: and that's evading US sanctions, and so you have the 234 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 8: sanctioned oil that China gets at a deep discount. Then 235 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 8: they also supply things like motors for drones. They supply 236 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 8: chemicals that are used for rocket fuel, and electronics that 237 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 8: are used in military capabil weapons and other technologies. Because 238 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 8: it's a focus on dual use technologies. And China is 239 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 8: very good about saying that they aren't involved supporting a 240 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 8: war effort that their products are only used for commercial activity, 241 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 8: but the reality is is they're used for wartime activities. 242 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: And China has a way of. 243 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 8: Maintaining a sort of a neutrality but at the same 244 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 8: time fostering the rise of these malign countries. 245 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 2: And they're doing the same thing with Russia. 246 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 8: And we know that they buy a lot of Russian 247 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 8: energy and supply a lot of materials to Russia. And 248 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 8: of course they have a close relationship with North Korea. 249 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: So when you look. 250 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 8: At the Iran, North Korea, Russia China nexus is very concerned. 251 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm glad you brought that up. 252 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: I mean, this whole discussion here, Congressman me is something 253 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: that I think the majority of people are kind of 254 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: missing in this whole battle. So is it fair to 255 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: say that the CCP's support is not only based upon 256 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: what you were just saying. It's not only helping Iran 257 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: avoid being isolated in the world, but it is also 258 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: fitting into a broader axis of authoritarian states Like you 259 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: just mentioned what China, Russia and North Korea and Iran 260 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: are they all kind of incahoots together. 261 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 8: They are, and as you point out, you know there's 262 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 8: this authoritarian acxis, if you will, And these are countries 263 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 8: that don't respect the rule of law, they don't respect 264 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 8: human dignity. When we think about our two hundred and 265 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 8: fiftieth anniversary of our declaration of independence, endowed by our 266 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 8: creator with analienable rights, they want no part of that. 267 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 8: And so this is something that's very concerning. We've seen 268 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 8: how China has an ab Iran to be part of 269 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 8: different international organizations almost like a legitimate player and human 270 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 8: rights and other things, which is confounding. But China has 271 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 8: helped to run evage sanctions and be welcomed as a 272 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 8: country that in some way protects human rights, and we 273 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 8: of course know that is not the case. 274 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: I think another thing that's kind of telling in all 275 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: of this is the Chinese Comanist Party, at least so far, 276 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:38,239 Speaker 1: has either deflected or just outrightly ignored President's Trump requests 277 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: to help reopen the straight of horror moves. How do 278 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: you interpret that move by China. 279 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 8: I think they're trying to stay back and not play 280 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 8: a responsible role which they could, and they're trying to 281 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 8: see how this thing shakes out. They are clearly aligned 282 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 8: with Iran, are clearly aligned with Russia and North Korea. 283 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 8: But they want to see how it plays out and 284 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 8: then they'll manipulate whatever situation to their advantage. And we've 285 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 8: seen that over and over again with them, which by 286 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 8: the way, does undermine their credibility throughout the world. When 287 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 8: they say that they will partner with someone or support someone, 288 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 8: you can see how when it comes right down to it, 289 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 8: they maintain an artificial neutrality when at the same time 290 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 8: they're helping behind the scenes. 291 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, so really that's kind of highlighting their priorities, isn't it. 292 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: I Mean, if they're not willing to keep the straight 293 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: of hormones open, it kind of tells us where they 294 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: are on this issue, doesn't It. 295 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 8: Truly does, And it's to their advantage to have the 296 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 8: straight of homoos open. And so truly they are not 297 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 8: playing a responsible role in this, and the president's right 298 00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 8: to call him out on it. You know, he has 299 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 8: asked for their help. He said that they could play 300 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 8: a role, and they are not willing to do that. 301 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, the fact that they were invited to have a role, 302 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: I you know, maybe foolish me, but I kind of 303 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,199 Speaker 1: anticipated them to do something to just for the optics 304 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: of it all. But the fact that they have not 305 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: at all helped to me kind of highlights a real 306 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: problem there. 307 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: Does that have anything to do? 308 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: I know President Trump is now confirmed postponing the planned 309 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: trip this spring that he had to Beijing. Is this 310 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: part of his postponing the trip? 311 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 2: Do you think? You know? 312 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 8: I think right now, First of all, I'm glad he 313 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 8: did postpone the trip, and I'm glad he's keeping his 314 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 8: focus on keeping America safe and making sure that the 315 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 8: outcome in Iran is good for the American people. And 316 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 8: I think, you know, recognizing that China has very different ambitions. 317 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 8: You know, in some ways we are trading partners and 318 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 8: we need a relationship with China. But at the same time, 319 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 8: you know, Jody, I was just with two young ladies today, 320 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 8: both of whom's fathers are imprisoned in China for speaking 321 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 8: out for freedom and religious liberty. One is Pastor Jin 322 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 8: and the other is Jimmy Lai, and both of their 323 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 8: daughters were with me today talking about what China, the 324 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 8: Chinese Communist Party does because it is threatened by religious 325 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 8: liberty and freedom, and you know, so you see how 326 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 8: they're conducting themselves, and it's important that we call them to. 327 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: Task on it. 328 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think those items, those releases of religious 329 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: hostility and so forth that China exhibits, is that something 330 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: that the president can use in negotiating You think we've 331 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: got less in a minute, But just. 332 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: I believe it is. 333 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 8: And I've requested the President when he meets with Shijingping, 334 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 8: to put at the forefront these prisoners of conscience and 335 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 8: asking for their release, including Jimmy Laie and Pastor Jin. Also, 336 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 8: we're asking Secretary of Rubio to sanction the officials in 337 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 8: Hong Kong. They're chief of police as well as three 338 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 8: judges who have unjustly imprisoned Jimmy Laie, and so we 339 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 8: are hoping that he would highlight that when he meets 340 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 8: with Shijingping. 341 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for your leadership on all of this, Congressman 342 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: John Rollinar, great to have you on the program with 343 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: us today. All right, friends, stay tuned. We've got more 344 00:19:50,560 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: this week on Capitol Hill coming your way. Welcome back 345 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: to this week on Capitol Hill. I'm your host, Jody. 346 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: Heis sitting in for Tony this week. Glad to have 347 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: you with us. All right, recent acts of terror here 348 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: at home have certainly raised some serious alarms regarding domestic 349 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 1: terrorism with foreign ties. For example, we've seen an attack 350 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: at Michigan Synagogue that was linked to Hesbellah. There was 351 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: an ISIS inspired shooting at Old Dominion University in Virginia. 352 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: And there was also an attempted bombing outside the New 353 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: York City's Mayor's residents and that came from some ISIS supporters. 354 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: So all of this is taking place while Democrats continue 355 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: to drag out their shutdown of the Department of Homeland Security. 356 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: So just how. 357 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: Vulnerable is America right now? We joining us now to 358 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: discuss this is Ken Kuchinelli. He's Senior Fellow for Immigration 359 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: and Homeland Security at the Center for Renewing America and 360 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: previously he served as the Deputy Secretary at the Homeland 361 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: Security Department, and that during the first Trump administration. Ken, 362 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to this week on Capitol Hill. Great to see you, 363 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: Good to be with you, Jody. Okay, So let's talk 364 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: about some of these recent attacks here on the homeland. 365 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: What do they tell us about the reach as well 366 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: as the influence of foreign groups right here in the 367 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: United States. 368 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 9: Well, first of all, they tell us that we have 369 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 9: allowed immigration of people who do not share our values, 370 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 9: and under American law you're supposed to if you want 371 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 9: to immigrate here. That's a very basic statement, obviously, but 372 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 9: so little regard is given to it that it's worth 373 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 9: paying some attention to. And so you combine that with 374 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 9: a Joe Biden open borders policy of four years letting 375 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 9: millions upon millions of people in here, and those are 376 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 9: the ones we know about, not to say anything of 377 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 9: the godaways, and you have a very dangerous situation. 378 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 2: If you look at what Hamas. 379 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 9: Did in Israel in October seventh of twenty twenty three. 380 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 9: They were planning for that for over a decade and 381 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 9: a half. There was a great deal of patients, which 382 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 9: means that open borders threat from the Biden era is 383 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 9: going to be with us at least until twenty forty 384 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 9: in that decade, to say nothing of the home grown 385 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 9: threats that we have now planted seeds for or allowed 386 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 9: to plant their own seeds. 387 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: Really yeah, So which is a greater concern is in 388 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: the sleeper cells that are in the US or the 389 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: lone wolves with all the activity from Isis and Hesbalo, 390 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: which is the greater concern. 391 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 9: So in terms of just number frequency of attacks. It's 392 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 9: the lone wolf attacks. It's the people who are inspired 393 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 9: by ISIS, who are in sympathy with ISIS, but. 394 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: Who act on their own. 395 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 9: Much harder to find and stop those beforehand. But the 396 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 9: much more dangerous on a single effort would be the 397 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 9: sleeper cell approach. People who have strategic support, who may 398 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 9: do operational planning and have training that these other folks 399 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 9: don't have. And we haven't seen one of those successfully 400 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 9: executed yet. So so far, we're dealing with the kind 401 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 9: of thing we saw at Odu, although we do foolishly 402 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 9: disarm ourselves. Part of how the Odu attack happened is 403 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 9: the Democrats in Virginia made it illegal for public universities 404 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 9: like go to you to ask about criminal history. This 405 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 9: guy had been in prison for eight years for material 406 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 9: support for ISIS. This was hrely foreseeable, but Odu was 407 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 9: not allowed to see his criminal history. 408 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: Wow, So what should we prioritize at this point in 409 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: order to prevent these threats from escalating further? 410 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 2: What do you think should be done? So the first 411 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 2: thing to do is already done. 412 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 9: President Trump did it within six weeks of his second inauguration, 413 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 9: and that's closed the border. That hasn't been in the 414 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 9: news in a year, and that's because it is successfully boring, 415 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 9: and that is a success on the border. I used 416 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 9: to tell all my security guards at DHS, I hope 417 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 9: you have a boring day, because that's a success for 418 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 9: a security guard. And the border patrol is America's security guard, 419 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 9: and that is secured. That is it's now very difficult 420 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 9: for say a new sleeper cell to get into the 421 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 9: United States. It's much harder for material support across our border. 422 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 9: So that success has been made. Now large scale deportation, 423 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 9: particularly targeting countries of concern Syria, Iran, basically Middle Eastern countries, 424 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 9: those deportations ought to be prioritized right alongside violent criminals. 425 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 2: Right well, Ken. 426 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: Kuchenelle, always great to have you join us. Thank you 427 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: so much for bringing your expertise and insight to the program. 428 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: Our friend, Ken Kuchinelli, Senior Fellow for Immigration and Homeland 429 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: Security at the Center for Renewing America, have a great day. 430 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: Good to be with you, all right, friend, State, thank you. 431 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: Coming up, we're going to have Congressman Jim Jordan join 432 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: us to discuss the Save America Act. All that right here, 433 00:25:49,800 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: on this week on Capitol Hill. Stay with us, Welcome 434 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: back to this week on Capitol Hill. I'm your host 435 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: Jody Heist, sitting in this week for Tony. All right, 436 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: Even as the House passed the Save America Act last 437 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: month by literally a razor thin margin, most Capitol Hill 438 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: observers recognize that the road through the Senate for this 439 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: bill would be rocky at best. Well, earlier this week, 440 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: Senate Republicans did succeed in bringing the measure to the 441 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: floor for debate. 442 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 2: So that's a good start. 443 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: But what's next for this crucial election integrity legislation. Joining 444 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: me now to discuss this and more is Congressman Jim Jordan. 445 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: He serves on a couple of different committees, but most importantly, 446 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: he's the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. He represents 447 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: the fourth congressional district of the great state of Ohio. 448 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: Congressman Jordan, Great to see him, my friend. Welcome to 449 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: this week on Capitol with You. 450 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,479 Speaker 10: Good to be with you, Jenny, Thanks, thanks for all 451 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 10: you're doing well. 452 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: Likewise, all right, let's start with this Save America Act. 453 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: The Senate did actually start their debate this week. What's 454 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: your thoughts on where this bill currently states. 455 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 10: You know, well, Lady Thatcher always said, you got to 456 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 10: win the debate before you win the vote. So let's 457 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 10: let's let's debate this thing, and let's take as long 458 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 10: as as you have to to actually then when the 459 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 10: when the vote. That's how it works, and that's how 460 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 10: it's supposed to work. And you know, what's been called 461 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 10: the greatest deliberative body in history. So yeah, let's have 462 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 10: the debate. This is so common sense. Reagan always used 463 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 10: to talk about in politics, you got to paint with 464 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 10: big bowl colors, so you have to show the voters. Yeah, 465 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 10: this is so common sense. Here's why it is. We 466 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 10: should have ide if you're gonna if you're gonna vote 467 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 10: in federal elections, you should be a citizen. Everyone understands that. 468 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 10: Everyone agrees with that except Democrats in the United States Senate. 469 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 10: So uh yeah, let's let's let's let's let this debate 470 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 10: play out and then hopefully when they call the vote, 471 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 10: you will see some Democrat senators who will have seen 472 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 10: the light and will vote the right way. 473 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting what you just brought up that the 474 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: polls do absolutely show that an overwhelming majority of Americans 475 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: including Democrat voters, favor the initiatives that you mentioned that 476 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: are in this bill. So is it true that the 477 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: Democrat senators are literally the only ones standing in the 478 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: way of election integrity. 479 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 2: In this country? Yeah, totally true. 480 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 10: They will they're not, Schumer said, so they're not going 481 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 10: to vote for this, and they, you know, they do 482 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 10: what the left typically does. You know, the left will 483 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 10: will say something, big media will report what they say, 484 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,239 Speaker 10: big tech will amplify that message, and then when you 485 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 10: tell the truth, they call you racist. 486 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what they're doing now. 487 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 10: They're saying, Oh, to say that you have to show 488 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 10: id to vote, you have to be a citizen to vote, 489 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 10: that's racist. Well, that makes no sense because you got 490 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 10: to show idea to do anything in this country. So 491 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 10: you would think when it comes to something as fundamental 492 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 10: as the integrity of our election process, that this would 493 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 10: be again just common sense. But they're not gonna they're 494 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 10: not supporting it now. But we're having a debate and 495 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 10: we'll see how that all plays out once the debate concludes. 496 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 10: You know, I always say that there's a reason you 497 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 10: kick the ball off and play the game, even though 498 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 10: one team is heavily favored. You never know what's going 499 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 10: to happen when the game is played. So let's let's 500 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 10: let's have this debate and then. 501 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 2: Hopefully we'll get we'll get the sixty people, you'll get. 502 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 10: A handful of Democrat senators who will do the right 503 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 10: thing to vote for it. 504 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: So do you think that what's driving all this is 505 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: Trump derangement syndron on the left or is there some 506 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: reason that they do not want election integrity? Is commonly said, 507 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: there's only one reason anyone wouldn't want election integrity. So 508 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: what do you think's really driving this for the Democrats? 509 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's all of that. 510 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 10: It's it's yeah, they're you know, they're always out, they're 511 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 10: always opposed anything President Trump is for anything that's common sense. 512 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 10: And I also think it's just a hard left which 513 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 10: now controls a Democrat party. So the I always say, 514 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 10: not all Democrats are crazy, but the left that controls 515 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 10: their party is. And every position they take is just 516 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 10: contrary to common sense. 517 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 2: It's just plain crazy. 518 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 10: It's crazy to defund the police, it's crazy to abolish ice. 519 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: It's crazy to. 520 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 10: Say men she compete against women in sport. It's crazy. 521 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 10: To say that you shouldn't have ID to show that 522 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 10: when you go to vote Photoway, it's it's crazy to 523 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 10: have sanctuary city policy. It's crazy to you can just 524 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 10: keep going. So but that's today's left, and they're all 525 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 10: the that's the energy in the party. 526 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 2: So it's a combination of all that. 527 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 10: Why you see Chuck Schumer saying I'm not going to 528 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 10: vote for photo ID with before you vote, it's like. 529 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: That makes no sense. But that's today's left. 530 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 10: I've said, I actually think this this midterm can be 531 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 10: captured in a couple sentences. They're crazy, We're not, and 532 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 10: just go tell the voters every position they take makes 533 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 10: no sense. We're the party of common sense. Vote for us. 534 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 10: I think that's how this thing's going to shake out 535 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 10: in the end, and hopefully American people who do have 536 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 10: common sense a vote Republican. 537 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 2: You sure think so. Switching gears real quickly. 538 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: This partial shutdown the DHS, it is obviously shining its light. 539 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: We had massive, massive airport security lines literally frustrating millions 540 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: this week. 541 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: But there's more than just that. 542 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: I mean, this is an urgent time to fund DHS 543 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: with all the potential terrorist activity going on. What's your 544 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: thoughts on where we stand on getting it funded. 545 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 10: Well, once again, it's just what I was saying. It's 546 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 10: crazy to have a shutdown over at the Department of 547 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 10: Homeland Security while we have the military operation going on 548 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 10: against Iran, the largest state sponsor of terrorism, and while 549 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 10: there have been in the last couple of weeks several 550 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 10: terrorist attacks right here in the United States. That makes 551 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 10: no sense. But that's the Democrat's position. So I don't 552 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 10: get it. I don't think any Americans get it. And 553 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 10: now Americans are seeing it and feeling it firsthand when 554 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 10: they go to go to the airport to travel. So 555 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 10: you know, thank your thank your local Democrat, take your 556 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 10: state Democrat, senator, United States senator when you're standing in line, 557 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 10: because that's the that's the individual who's responsible for the situation. 558 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 10: And it's happening, as I said, at a time when 559 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 10: we have a military operation going on uh in Iran. 560 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, again, like you said, it makes no sense. We've 561 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: only got a less in a minute. But do you 562 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: see any movement on this. Congressman Jordany, you think we're 563 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: going to get this DHS funded. 564 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 10: Yeah, we'll get there, because I do think in the 565 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 10: In the end, enough American citizens will tell their Democrat 566 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 10: United States Senator hey, quit being ridiculous, quit being stupid, 567 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 10: and actually fund this thing. 568 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 2: Pass the bill that we passed in the House. 569 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 10: Make sure that that gets through, that TSA agents get paid, 570 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 10: and that we have in place every measure of every 571 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 10: precaution that we can to deal with the securing and 572 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 10: the security of the homeland. 573 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: Well, hopefully it won't take a catastrophe to awaken them 574 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: to do what needs to be done. Thank you, Congressman's 575 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan. Always great to see you. Thanks so much 576 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: for your leadership. Keep it upright, take care alrighty, all right, friends, 577 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: after the break, we're going to share a few final 578 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: thoughts on the news of this week. So we've got 579 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: more coming your way this week on Capitol He'll, so 580 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: stay with us. We will be back in just a moment. 581 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back to this week on Capitol Hill. I'm your host, 582 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: Jody Heist, sitting in for Tony this week. 583 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us. 584 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: All right, to close out the program, we're going to 585 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: revisit Tony's commentary on the new norm of hostility against churches. 586 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: This is something that the family Research Council has documented 587 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: in an extensive report that you yourself can get your 588 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: hands on simply text the word church to six seven 589 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: seven four to two. That's church to six seven seven 590 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,279 Speaker 1: four to two. 591 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 2: Now. 592 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: Tony shared all of this following the storming of a 593 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: Minneapolis church earlier this year by anti ice protesters. I'm 594 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: sure you'll remember that, and after noting how hostility against 595 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: church has been trending in the United States, he posed 596 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: a very important question that really is worth asking. 597 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 2: So we'll start there. Here's Tony. Now here's the question 598 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 2: we need to ask. 599 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 11: Is hostility toward religious exercise exp ending beyond vandalism and 600 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 11: threats and becoming institutional resistance. We have seen increasing pressure 601 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 11: on conscience protections in healthcare. We've seen faith based adoption 602 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 11: and foster care providers forced out of states for adhering 603 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 11: to biblical truth. We've watched regulatory agencies treat religious organizations 604 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 11: not as partners in civil society. 605 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 2: But as obstacles to their ideological agendas. 606 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 11: This is not merely about broken windows, graffiti, or even firebombs. 607 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 11: It is about a shifting cultural posture toward faith itself. 608 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 11: Yet this is where we must look beyond the fog 609 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,320 Speaker 11: of the cultural war and recognize what is really happening. 610 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 11: Religious exercise is on the march. If religious liberty becomes 611 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 11: only a defensive battle court cases, injunctions, reactive legislation, we 612 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 11: risk narrowing the focus to survival. But religious liberty was 613 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 11: never intended merely to shield private belief, is designed to 614 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 11: protect public witness. The First Amendment does not secure faith 615 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 11: in a fortified lock box. 616 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 2: It protects its free exercise. 617 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 11: And that means religious liberty is not only something to defend, 618 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 11: it is something to exercise. Members of Congress who pray openly, 619 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 11: who allow conviction to shape their votes, who speak about 620 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 11: transcendent moral truth in committee hearings, They're not violating the Constitution, 621 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 11: They're living within it. Pastors who engage public issues from 622 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 11: the pulpit are not trespassing into politics. They're exercising their 623 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 11: God given responsibility to speak truth. Has hostility increased, Yes, 624 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 11: Hostility rises when faith refuses to retreat, and across his 625 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 11: country believers are refusing to retreat. Over the last decade, 626 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 11: hundreds of Christian men and women have answered God's call 627 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 11: to step into the realm of government without checking their 628 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 11: faith at the door that has the forces of spiritual 629 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,839 Speaker 11: darkness behind the profits of secularism deeply troubled because they're 630 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 11: losing ground. The ultimate question before us in Washington, d c. 631 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 11: And across the nation is not whether religious liberty survives 632 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 11: on paper. It is whether it is lived out with conviction. 633 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 11: Religious liberty is strongest when it is visible, when it's 634 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 11: exercised with humility, confidence, and courage. When believers live their 635 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 11: convictions openly, serving, speaking, legislating, praying, then religious liberty becomes 636 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 11: more than a defensive line. It becomes a transforming testimony. 637 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 11: Religious freedom is not being attacked because it is in retreat, 638 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,360 Speaker 11: just the opposite, because it is advancing. 639 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 2: And that has been this week on Capitol Hill.