1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Danielle Gill Show. I am really 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: excited for today's show because we are going to be 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: talking none other than Danesh, our favorite guest, and we 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: will have a lot to talk about. We're going to 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: talk about what has been happening with terrorist attacks in 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: the US caused by Muslims and Iranian sympathizers. We're also 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: going to talk about some of the recent accusations. I 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: guess you can say from Candice Owen's hurled Eric Kirk, 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: this is the Danielle Gill Show. I am delighted to 10 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: welcome our guests today, Dinet, thanks for joining us. 11 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: Hey, it's a pleasure. Just got back from long trip 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: to our old neck of the woods, namely California. Always 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: makes me wonder why we left. It's always so nice 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 2: it is. 15 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: It's a great place with weather. Okay, questions I thought 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: we could start with today, is we have seen a 17 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: rise in terrorist attack in the US. We've seen multiple 18 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: Muslim or Isis sympathizers. They have killed Americans. We've seen 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: that a couple examples, a couple examples of this all 20 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: occurring recently. What do you make of that? 21 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 2: Well, let's go through the incidents. There are three that 22 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: come to mind just from the last few days. The 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: first one was in New York right outside the Mayor's mansion. 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: There were these two guys and they were they were 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: Muslim radicals, and they were trying to detonate a bomb. 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: This was apparently as a strike against a protest organized 27 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 2: by Jake Lang. Jake Lang is one of the January 28 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: sixth guys. He's a very prominent, a little bit of 29 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: a provocateur. But nevertheless they the attack was against, you know, 30 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 2: a peaceful demonstruation that Jake had organized, and so that 31 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: was incident number one. Incident number two is today at 32 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 2: Old Dominion University. Apparently a Muslim activist goes into an 33 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 2: r OTC classroom and shoots the instructor and apparently, according 34 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: to reports, were shouting, you know, muslim slogans a lohu 35 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: rokbar that kind of thing. And then on the same 36 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: day do you have the Bloomfield, Michigan attack at a 37 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: Jewish synagogue. So all of this, I think is an 38 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 2: indication that we are not just dealing with a Muslim 39 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: problem over there somewhere. You know, there's some people who say, well, 40 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: you know, we we should stay out of the Middle 41 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: East because because if we do, we will be we 42 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: will be. Okay, Just let's tend to our own, our 43 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: own young, our own, our own house, but our own 44 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: house and order. The problem is that, maybe partly as 45 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 2: a result of the Biden you know, open border policies, 46 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: a lot of these terrorists are already here and uh 47 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: and it's not as if they need an excuse or 48 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: a provocation. So I mean, think about it. This is 49 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: this is what was passing through my mind as I 50 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: was reading these reports. You know, these guys, they know 51 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 2: they're gonna either get caught or they're gonna get shot, 52 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: and there's a good chance they're going to be killed. 53 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: In the in the Michigan case, uh I they you know, 54 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: in the in the New York case, they apprehended the guy. 55 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 2: But in one of the incidents today, the guy was killed. 56 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: And so the perpetrators know this in advance, and they're 57 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: apparently willing to do it. So can you imagine if 58 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: you take this mentality these types of people and like 59 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: put a nuclear bomb in their hands, they would not 60 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: hesitate to use it. And of course we have trouble 61 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: like coming to terms with that. Really believing it because 62 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: it seems to us it's so crazy. Who would do that, 63 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: think of all the people they'd be killing. But no, 64 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 2: these people are They are in a sense, you could say, 65 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: made from a different mold or cut from a different cloth, 66 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 2: and their motives are different than they think differently. 67 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's the thing about the fact 68 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: that we have imported a lot of these radical ideologies. 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: They've imported a lot of people who are terrorists to sympathizers, 70 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: and we have to deport them, We have to send 71 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: them home, s get them out. Because a lot of 72 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: people are raisoning concerns about these sleeper cells. They're saying, 73 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, what if they get activated and all of this. 74 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: And so we're seeing these terrorist attacks, But what do 75 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: you think about the fact that I'm sure Iran has 76 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: thought of this ahead of time, and they are, you know, 77 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: seeing breaking going on in Middle East right now. We 78 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: aren't removed from it just because we're on American soil, 79 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: and of course, you know, we're much safer here than 80 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: we would be if we were abroad right now. But 81 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: even so, we're seeing these attacks. 82 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: Well, we're seeing the whole Muslim sensibility showing itself more 83 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: in this country, I think in somewhat alarming ways. I 84 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: don't know if you saw just very recently. I only 85 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 2: saw it today, the social media video where mom Donnie 86 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 2: is sitting with a bunch of his supporters and staff. Well, 87 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: the way that they're doing it is, first of all, 88 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 2: they're all sitting on the ground. Yeah. Yeah. Then they 89 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 2: appear to be sharing some sort of halal Muslim food. 90 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 2: It apparently is the end of a fast. And so 91 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: you look at that scene and you say, well, this 92 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: feels like we are like in Jordan or the Rain, 93 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: and yet this is the mayor of New York. Ye. 94 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: And so now again, if you were to remove if 95 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 2: the terrorist incidents weren't occurring, if you didn't have this 96 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: kind of violent jihad, then you could say, well, look, 97 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 2: this may be a little strange, but this would be 98 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: no different for example, from you know, a group of 99 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 2: Sikhs or Hindus or some other group. You know, maybe 100 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: this is something that is a little peculiar multiculturalism of 101 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: a sort we don't really want here. But it wouldn't 102 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: be scary, it wouldn't be terrifying. It would just merely 103 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: be strange and different. But when you put it in 104 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: the context. You know, when I see the mayor of 105 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: New York sitting on the ground serving Muslim food, my 106 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: mind flashes back to like nine to eleven, and so 107 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: it's hard for me to disconnect those two images from 108 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: my mind. In the very site or venue of nine 109 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 2: to eleven, you now have a Muslim socialist running New 110 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 2: York and clearly take making it more on the road 111 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: to islam affication. So the terrorists, the radical Muslims, I 112 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: don't think are representative of all Muslims. I wouldn't say 113 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 2: that all Muslims are like that, or all Muslims are dangerous, 114 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 2: but I would say that radical Islam comes out of 115 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: the soil of Islam. What else is motivating the radical 116 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: Muslims if not Islam itself. 117 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: What do you think about the fact that when mom 118 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: Donnie was running or mayor of New York, a lot 119 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: of people said, Oh, you know, you're going to be 120 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: like an AOC, You're going to be kind of a 121 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: radical socialist, you're kind of cool, and that sort of thing. 122 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: But I think some of us saw that there was 123 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: this element of he is more radical, he does have 124 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: more of the the it's not even just the fact 125 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: that he is Muslim, but it's that you can tell 126 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: he really does sympathize with very extreme views. And we 127 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: saw that his wife liked various posts that were pro 128 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: Hamas and one confronted about this and pro October seven, yes, yes, 129 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: and pro pro p seven. Then when he was read 130 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 1: about it and staid, well, she's a private citizen. But 131 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: I think to myself, well, even so, though, why do 132 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: you even have these views? Why do you even believe this? 133 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: And so that is I think quite shocking that someone 134 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: who is mayor of New York or marriage to Mayor 135 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: of New York would have those views, like those things 136 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: on social media and be mayor. 137 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: I don't think I would not be shocked if those 138 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 2: were also Mom Donnie's views. Now, he is politic enough 139 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 2: to know I'm not going to campaign on that. I'm 140 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: not going to say that. But nevertheless, generally you find 141 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: that if views are common inside of a home, they're 142 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: shared by the husband and the wife. It's not It's 143 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: typically not the case that you know, Mo'm Donnie's wife 144 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: is saying, oh, I really love October seven. Mom Donnie's like, 145 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: what do you mean, how do you know? How dare you, mom, 146 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: Donnie's probab Well, Mom, don He's probably saying something like, well, listen, 147 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 2: don't say that out loud. Of course I agree with you. 148 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: This is the kind of wink wink we saw between 149 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 2: Barack Obama and Michelle. Michelle would say things like, you know, 150 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: I'm ashamed to be an American, and obviously Barack agreed, 151 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 2: but he wouldn't say it, and he wouldn't say it 152 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: that way. He might say it in a more sort 153 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: of academic way, like America has done a lot of 154 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: wrong in the world, and we need to have a 155 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 2: sense of accountability. So this is I think, what's going on. 156 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: And it shows you that the that the left, if 157 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: they think that they are just getting a Muslim aoc, no, 158 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: they're getting something entirely different. These the Islamic radicals have 159 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: their own agenda. They will not be content until that 160 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: agenda is fully implemented. And if the example of Iran 161 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: is to be looked at, you had a kind of 162 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: left wing Islamic alliance that overthrew the Shah. But then 163 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: the radical Muslims crushed the left, actually killed the left, 164 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: and so that alliance ended up with the You could say, 165 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 2: the green devouring the red. 166 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course AOFC is quite radical. I think 167 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: she is just as radical as a man Dannie. But 168 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: I just think that the level to that she BRANDI 169 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: out we Robot seven for example, it's just so priank. 170 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know a lot of the people 171 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: who I guess brow to mass they try to distant 172 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: situation and an act like thing. But of course seven, 173 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean, how do we have any common good? Really, 174 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: du how do you think people will feel with they can? 175 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 2: Well? October seventh and nine to eleven are in a 176 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: certain sense, very much the same thing. Now, obviously October 177 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: seventh was in Israel, nine to eleven was in New York. 178 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: But there's a close resemblance between those attacks. They were 179 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: both attacks that were surprise attacks. They were planned quite 180 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: diligently in advance. They were attempted to strike at the 181 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: very morale of the society, change the way life has 182 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 2: lived in America and then in Israel. And Israel is 183 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: a much smaller society than America. Right, They've got ten 184 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: million people. We have over three hundred million, so we're 185 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: thirty times bigger than Israel. And that's the way of 186 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 2: computing the magnitude of York's October seven attacks, because a 187 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: thousand people killed, well you have to multiply by thirty. 188 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 2: That would be like the United States losing thirty thousand people. 189 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: In reality, we lost three thousand or three thousand, they're 190 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 2: about in nine to eleven. So October seventh proportionately was 191 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: even worse than nine to eleven. But I think, you know, 192 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 2: I look at both as representing a certain type of 193 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: Islamic you know, barbarism in the modern era. It is 194 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,479 Speaker 2: people who will stop at nothing and don't draw traditional 195 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 2: distinctions between combatants and civilians. In a way, the more 196 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: civilian carnage that they do, the happier they are. Right. 197 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well watch the conversation a little bit because you 198 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: have a new show which is great. Everyone needs to 199 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: make sure they go check it out, of course on 200 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,600 Speaker 1: this channel, Denesh, and we just did a very fascinating 201 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: episode about Charlie Kirk, Candice Owens, Eric Kirk. Of course, 202 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,199 Speaker 1: people have heard about the seventh accusations Candace Owens has 203 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: made and she's been doing a series called Bride Charlie. 204 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: So your recent show was called Charlie's Angels. 205 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 2: That right, Charlie's angel Angel. 206 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: And went into what could possibly be motivating Candace? What 207 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: are really going on between Candace and Aericra? And I 208 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: call your analysis on it was really fascinating. So maybe 209 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: you can tell us a little bit about do you 210 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: think Candas actually has an issue with Erica? 211 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: Is it? 212 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: Well, it's Charlie. I thought your analysis there was really interesting. 213 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 2: Let me frame it a little differently than I did 214 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: in the show by talking first about Shakespeare's Othello. And 215 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: I think this is relevant because you have this figure 216 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: in Shakespeare, Yago, very odd character by the way, in Shakespeare, 217 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 2: because Yago is a rare shakespeare In character, because he's 218 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: very one dimensional. He is you could almost say, you know, 219 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: as one of our mutual friends likes to say, pure evil. 220 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 2: Rightago is evil. He's motivated by a single wicked motive, 221 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: and that motive happens to be to be envy. In 222 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: a famous line that I quote in the show, and 223 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: I've quoted to you know it, well, it's Yago's line 224 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: often attributed to Othello, but no, Yago says saying this 225 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: about Cassio, he had the daily beauty in his life 226 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: that makes me ugly. So number one. I do think 227 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: that this is part of what is galling Candace. She 228 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: is outraged that Charlie in a sense not only ended 229 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: up with Erica, but in a sense pushed Candace away 230 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 2: and ultimately pushed her out of turning point altogether. And 231 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: from Candace's point of view, this is an outrage because 232 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: candacee is herself is like, you know, a special creation 233 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: of the universe, like almost like a celestial being. She 234 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: thinks Charlie is like that. She even talks about how 235 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: both of them have like extraterrestrial intuitions and they know 236 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: things other people don't know, and they being so great, 237 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: they both suspect that their life is in danger, and 238 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: maybe she thinks they both have a sixth sense. I don't, well, 239 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: you know, but so she's thinking, we're the two special 240 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: ones that have kind of found our way on this planet. 241 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: We found each other, and then whoa you know, Charlie 242 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: ends up with this you know, Plebeian, you know, pageant girl, 243 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: who is from Candace's point of view, you could almost 244 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: say a commoner. A commoner here in the sense of 245 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: lacks the kind of amazing talent that Candace attributes, you know, 246 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: to herself. Now, the analysis so far doesn't explain what 247 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: is it about Candace's theories, which I think, on the 248 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: face of it, some of them are very outlandish, very wacky. 249 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: You know, they involve Egyptian planes, they involve them Acron's 250 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 2: more recently the Freemasons, and so there is almost a 251 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: bottomless pit of peculiarity here. But you have to try 252 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: to say, why are people kind of fascinated by this? 253 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 2: A lot of people right because they want to watch 254 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: And I think I have a theory for that as well. 255 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: And the theory is this, if we come back to Othello, 256 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: the public truth about Othello the man is different than 257 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: the private reality. The public truth about Othello's he's a 258 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: great man, he's a war hero. He is well revered, 259 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: not just accepted, but revered in Christian Venice, and he's untouchable. 260 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: He's in fact, he's married the most beautiful woman in Venice, Desdemona. 261 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: She adores him. So the question that becomes, how can 262 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: Iago possibly disrupt this? Would why would there be even 263 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: any suspicion of infidelity? Desdemona doesn't even turn her head 264 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: to anyone else. But see, this is the public mythology 265 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 2: of Othello that he is untouchable. He is an exemplar 266 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 2: of Venetian virtue. But Othello knows what But Iago knows 267 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: something about Othello that is not publicly acknowledged. Othello is 268 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 2: an outsider. He's black, he's a more and that is 269 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: uncomfortable in Christian Venice. Remember there was no liberalism at 270 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: the time that you know, multiculturalism is good. People just 271 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 2: said what they thought. And Iago knew that Othello, deep 272 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: down was insecure about his position in Venice. He was 273 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: insecure that Desdemona really loved him for himself. Othello at 274 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 2: one point he even says, I'm so ugly. He says, 275 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: I didn't even know how I could court this woman, 276 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: because how I would I even hold her attention. So 277 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 2: Yogo knows that there's a vulnerability here that she that 278 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 2: he Yago can exploit. It is because I think that 279 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: what happened with Turning Point after Charlie's assassination, so sort 280 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: of public mythology developed around Charlie and around Erica, and 281 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: so suddenly Charlie became like JFK after his assassination. You know, 282 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 2: he's the greatest president. And similarly, Jackie Kennedy became you 283 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: know part of Camelot. Now, in reality, the Kennedys weren't 284 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: like that. They were there was a kind of halo's 285 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: put on them after a JFK's assassination, and something similar 286 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 2: happened with Charlie and Erica. So Candace knows this. Candace 287 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: knows that there has to be a real Charlie and 288 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 2: a real Erica behind the veil, behind, underneath the halo. 289 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: And so what she's going to do is she's going 290 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: to out or expose or or ferret out the hidden Erica, 291 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: the true Erica very different from the pious Erica that 292 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: the public seed. So this is I think the key 293 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 2: to what Candace is up to. She knows that the 294 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: public realizes there's got to be a real Erica that 295 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: is not quite the sanitized Erica that we're getting. And 296 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 2: so Candace's show is based upon I'll tell you who 297 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 2: that really is. So, even if Candace is getting some 298 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: of the details wrong, her premise that there is a 299 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: real Erica and a sort of you know, cardboard Erica 300 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: or Erica on a pedestal, she's right about that, and 301 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: that I think is the motive that drives the interest 302 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: in her show. 303 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, something interesting is I think when you because 304 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: she did a lot on Erica's background, diving into it, 305 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: I haven't you know, seen it all. 306 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 2: You watch some of it. 307 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: I've seen some of it, but there are episodes, there 308 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: are many, you know, I've seen some parts. But I 309 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: think what's interesting is she'll be like, oh this, you know, 310 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: this was the case with Erica and this year or 311 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: something about Erica's mother, And I'm thinking to myself. Everyone 312 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: as relatives, everybody has a person that they were years ago. 313 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that I've analyzed it in great detail, 314 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying that it's not like people are 315 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: born and they're like, wow, this is the person that 316 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: I am. You know, I'm born this person and now 317 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 1: that I'm in my thirties or while the wor old 318 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: she is now, I think she might be thirty seven. 319 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: This is who I am, and that's just who I 320 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: always want. So of course, any person is going to 321 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,479 Speaker 1: develop over time, including Candace. I would say, you know, 322 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: she probably was different when she first got involved in conservatism. 323 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: She was probably different before she was conservative. Maybe getting 324 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: married having kids has changed Candice. I know that most 325 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: women once they are married and have kids are different people, 326 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: so I'm guessing that would also be the case with Erica. 327 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: So I just think it's interesting that I'm not sure 328 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: what the relevance is of a lot of that. And 329 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: of course there's the things you mentioned, like the conspiracies 330 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: or the crazy things in addition, and I'm not sure 331 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: how that connects to these other things that she's trying 332 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: to dive into. But I guess, what do you think 333 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: about the fact that she's said, like I think she 334 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: recently just brought up something about Epstein like in relation 335 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: to Erica. So it's like these crazy things and then 336 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: it's you know, biographical kind of details. 337 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: In my view, Candace's real target is not Erica. It is, 338 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: in fact, Charlie. And here's why this, I think makes 339 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: total sense. Think of Candace. Now we're going to go 340 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: inside of Candace's mind for a minute. From Candace's mind. 341 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 2: In her mind, she is like the Earl of Sussex, okay, 342 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: an aristocrat, a special person, and Charlie is sort of 343 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 2: like the Duke of Kent. He is also a special person. 344 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: The Duke of Kent, instead of partnering with the Earl 345 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 2: of Sussex, has in fact chosen Mary. Let's just say 346 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: a commoner from Kandas's point of view, like a peasant. Okay, now, 347 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: who is the Earl of Sussex going to be angry 348 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 2: with the peasant or the Duke? Not the peasant, because 349 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: Candace knows perfectly well why Erica would pick Charlie. She thinks, 350 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: obviously Erica picks Charlie. Charlie's like the prince. I'm talking 351 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 2: about Candace's viewpoint now, right, But Candace's rage is at 352 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: the fact that a fellow aristocrat, from her point of view, 353 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: Charlie I won't say, dumped her because it's not that 354 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: they were actually an item, but nevertheless, they were sort 355 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: of like you could say, you know, bosom buddies, or 356 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: they were soulmates in an ideological sense. Nevertheless, Charlie picked 357 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 2: someone who, from Candace's point of view, is utterly like 358 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: from a lower order, and so her sense of betrayal 359 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 2: is going to be to word Charlie, for sure. But 360 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 2: Charlie is sort of publicly untouchable, and Candace's trope heer 361 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 2: stick is I was best friends with Charlie. I'm actually 362 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 2: gonna help Charlie. I'm going to help solve Charlie's murder. 363 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 2: You can see the reason I'm suspicious of all this 364 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: is that the effect of what she's doing is to 365 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 2: besmirch the whole, not just Charlie, but Charlie's whole world. 366 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: She's besmirching Turning Point, She's besmirching all the people around Charlie. 367 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: She's besmirching Rob McCoy and Mikey McCoy, she's besmirching Tyler 368 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: Boyer and Andrew Covid. I mean, all of them are 369 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: supposedly absolutely rotten from top to bottom and implicated in 370 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 2: the worst scandals, which, by the way, start but don't 371 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 2: end with Charlie's assassination. Who knows what else they're involved in. 372 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: According to Canvas, you just have to stay tuned to 373 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 2: her show to get more scoops on these sort of dirty, 374 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 2: rotten scoundrels. So to me, and again, I'm trying to 375 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: make sense of all this, and I feel you know 376 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 2: and you are also in this position. Over the years, 377 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: we've gotten to know these people. Now we're not super close, 378 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 2: we're not giving them, not giving them some sort of 379 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: a inside scoop, but we know them well enough that 380 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: we recognize not only the public persona but the actual 381 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: person and so we're in a position, I think to 382 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: offer a perspective that's helpful for people to make sense 383 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: of what is otherwise just an absolute surreal spectacle. 384 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, and in some ways it reminds me of the 385 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: people who I don't know if you've seen this, but 386 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: you know, people who will be like, oh, I actually 387 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: am Trump's real ally I love Trump so much that 388 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: actually my ideology is the real Trump supporter ideology. It's 389 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: almost similar where Candice is kind of like, I'm so 390 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: close with Charlie, I'm his true best friend. I actually 391 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: knew him better than Erica did, or I care about 392 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: him more than Erica does because you know this and 393 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: that one. In reality, it's kind of like, Okay, this 394 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: is the first time he's married to who's his children with, 395 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: who's running turning point? 396 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 2: You know. 397 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: So I just think it's interesting because some people try 398 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 1: to do the same thing with Maga or you know, 399 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: kind of being a Trump supporters if it's like I'm 400 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: going into you Trump because you don't really know Trump 401 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 1: even though you're Trump, I'm not. 402 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: I mean. One of the interesting things in that emerged 403 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: in the Bannin correspondence with Epstein was exactly that Bannon 404 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: explicitly said that, you know, dj T. Trump is not 405 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 2: real maga. He Bannon is maga. So Trump is maga 406 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 2: to the extent that he agrees with Bannon. But Bannon 407 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: is the standard of maga, and Trump is measured by 408 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 2: how true he is to these Bannonite principles. Now again, 409 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 2: this is, you know, to a lot of ordinary people, 410 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 2: delusional and absurd. But I don't think it's absurd from 411 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 2: the point of view of the people who are saying 412 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: these things. And I think with Candace, part of the 413 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: appeal of her is that she conveys a certain kind 414 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: of authenticity, so that if she says these ridiculous things, 415 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 2: I don't think people sometimes will say of Tucker, you 416 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 2: know he is. He's the reason people will say very 417 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 2: often Tucker's being paid off. Now I have no evidence 418 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 2: he's being paid off, and I never say that, by 419 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 2: the way, about Tucker, but people will say he's being 420 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: paid off because they when they look at Tucker, they're like, 421 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: they don't get the sense that they get the sense 422 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 2: of Tucker by and large is artfully crafting whatever he says. 423 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: But nobody would say of Candace. So she's being quote 424 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 2: paid off because what she's saying is so unique and 425 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 2: bizarre and like it has Candace written all over it, 426 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: that this is actually you don't have any doubt that 427 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: this is in fact what Candace thinks. It could very 428 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 2: well be that she needs to be taken out on 429 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: a straight jacket, but nevertheless, this is what she thinks. 430 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I'm sure she does. So who knows. Well, 431 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the show and offering your insight. 432 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: Make sure to check out his recent episode, Charlie's Angel 433 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: from Dinesh. Really fascinating show. We'll dive into it all 434 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: in much greater detail, So thanks for joining us. Absolutely Well, 435 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: that wraps up today's show. If you enjoyed the show, 436 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: make sure to follow me on social media. 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