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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Scott Jennings Show.
Speaker 3: James Tallerico in Texas makes appalling comments about race and
Speaker 3: criminal justice. We have the audio and my commentary straight ahead.
Speaker 3: Congressman Ralph Norman of South Carolina is coming by this hour,
Speaker 3: one of two Republicans left in the runoff to replace
Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham on the November ballot.
Speaker 1: Interesting conversation ahead.
Speaker 3: And we have breaking new polling out of Michigan on
Speaker 3: both the Senate and gubernatorial races. Our friends at AAARP
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Speaker 3: want to miss that. It's Friday, August the twenty first.
Speaker 3: I'm Scott Jennings broadcasting for Salem Man, coming to you
Speaker 3: live from Louisville, Kentucky. On this day in eighteen fifty eight,
Speaker 3: thousands of people poured into Ottawa, Illinois to witness a
Speaker 3: rhetorical confrontation unlike anything America had ever seen. On one
Speaker 3: side stood the powerful incumbent US Senator, a nationally famous
Speaker 3: Democrat known as the Little Giant. On the other, a
Speaker 3: lanky former congressman largely unknown throughout the country there to
Speaker 3: compete for the incumbent seat. It was a campaign debate,
Speaker 3: but the question of foot was much larger. Would slavery
Speaker 3: be allowed to spread into America's western territories. The senator
Speaker 3: argued that the people of each territory should decide the
Speaker 3: issue for themselves. His challenger warned that slavery was morally
Speaker 3: wrong and that a nation divided against itself could not stand.
Speaker 3: The format was grueling. One candidate spoke for an hour,
Speaker 3: the other answered for ninety minutes, and the first then
Speaker 3: return for a thirty minute rebuttal and Ottawa, Illinois, was
Speaker 3: only the beginning. The two men would meet seven times
Speaker 3: across the state, and the incumbent senator would ultimately keep
Speaker 3: his seat that November, but newspapers carried the challenger's words
Speaker 3: across the country, transforming a little known Prairie lawyer into
Speaker 3: a national political figure. Two years later, the men would
Speaker 3: face each other again, this time for the presidency, the
Speaker 3: little giant Stephen A. Douglas versus the lanky lawyer Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3: You know how that turned out, And it all started
Speaker 3: with the beginning of the Lincoln Douglas debates. On this day,
Speaker 3: August the twenty first, eighteen fifty eight. You know, questions
Speaker 3: of equal justice under the law have permeated our political
Speaker 3: debates for decades, and today day's Democratic luminaries appear to
Speaker 3: be backtracking. I bring you the story today of James Tallarico,
Speaker 3: the Democrat candidate for the United States Senate in Texas.
Speaker 3: He took to the radio airwaves yesterday to argue that
Speaker 3: you should be afforded different criminal justice outcomes based on
Speaker 3: the color of your skin. Let me repeat, different criminal
Speaker 3: justice outcomes based on the color of your skin. Tall
Speaker 3: Rico was asked to comment on the case of Carmelo Anthony,
Speaker 3: the seventeen year old African American teenager who stabbed to
Speaker 3: death fellow teenager Austin Metcalf at a high school track meet.
Speaker 3: Anthony was sentenced to thirty five years in prison for
Speaker 3: that murder, and hearings are underway as Anthony's new defense
Speaker 3: seeks a retrial. All of this is going on as
Speaker 3: mister tall Rico appears on a popular morning radio show
Speaker 3: called The Breakfast Club. It's extremely influential in the African
Speaker 3: American community. I want you to a listen to this
Speaker 3: exchange as Tallarico is asked about the Carmelo Anthony trial
Speaker 3: Cut seven in Texas.
Speaker 4: We see what happened with Carmelo Anthony, and you said
Speaker 4: it was a tragedy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what did you mean by that?
Speaker 4: Well, I've done a lot of work in the state
Speaker 4: House on justice reform, and right now we've got a
Speaker 4: system that doesn't serve all Americans equally. And we know
Speaker 4: that black Texans have been have not gotten the justice
Speaker 4: they deserve in many cases. And you know, I'm not
Speaker 4: an expert on this particular case, but I know that
Speaker 4: there were no black members of the jury. And to me,
Speaker 4: that's the only evidence you need to really prove that
Speaker 4: this system is not working for black Texans.
Speaker 3: This is astonishing. The evidence in the case is not
Speaker 3: really in dispute. Anthony killed meta. This African American kid
Speaker 3: killed a white kid after an argument that attract me.
Speaker 3: Stab him in the heart with a knife, up close
Speaker 3: personal cold blooded murder. But tall Rico looks at this
Speaker 3: case and says, if only there had been some black jurors,
Speaker 3: Carmelo Anthony could have gotten away with it.
Speaker 1: Let's set up the politics of this.
Speaker 3: By the way, Talarico defeated an African American woman named
Speaker 3: Jasmine Crockett in the Democratic primary to win this nomination.
Speaker 3: And now he's doing poorly, very poorly with black Democrats
Speaker 3: in Texas, and he thinks the way to win them
Speaker 3: over is to say, I will literally let you kill
Speaker 3: any white person that you want. This sort of pandering
Speaker 3: is a level of racism that I cannot even begin
Speaker 3: to understand.
Speaker 1: Let's get back to Tallarrico's statements.
Speaker 3: This is a civilization destroying view of criminal justice, the
Speaker 3: idea that the color of your skin, of either the
Speaker 3: defendant or a juror should determine the outcome of a
Speaker 3: murder case. Many have asserted that the jury was all white.
Speaker 1: That's false.
Speaker 3: Of the twelve jurors, three were racial minorities, including Asian
Speaker 3: and Indian, eight were women, four were men. Of the
Speaker 3: eighteen total jurors including the alternate, six were minorities. But
Speaker 3: does any of this even matter in a murder case?
Speaker 3: You look at the evidence, testimony, witnesses, the weapon, and
Speaker 3: you ask a jury to make a decision, and that
Speaker 3: decision cannot cannot be well even if he did it.
Speaker 3: We share a skin color, so I should probably let
Speaker 3: this defendant get away with murder. But that's exactly what
Speaker 3: James Tallerco is arguing for here.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine anything more racist?
Speaker 3: Tall Rico thinks that if Carmelo Anthony had faced a
Speaker 3: jury of black people, they would have ignored the evidence,
Speaker 3: which is overwhelming, and let him go. That's what tallar
Speaker 3: Rico thinks of black voters in Texas, that they would
Speaker 3: set aside their duties as citizens and members of the
Speaker 3: community in good standing to excuse a murder based on
Speaker 3: the color of the defendant's skin. This is the literal
Speaker 3: opposite of what so many Black Americans fought so valiantly
Speaker 3: to achieve equal justice.
Speaker 1: Under the law.
Speaker 3: Means no criminal justice outcome is dependent on the color
Speaker 3: of your skin. If a black teenager commits murder and
Speaker 3: the evidence proves it, he is guilty. If a white
Speaker 3: teenager commits murder and the evidence proves it, he is guilty.
Speaker 3: The jury is not asked to balance the cosmic racial
Speaker 3: scales in an individual murder trial. It is asked to
Speaker 3: deliver justice for the victim and to protect the community
Speaker 3: in which it serves. But in tallar Rico's view, a
Speaker 3: black teenager apparently should be able to stab to death
Speaker 3: a white teenager in the name of quote making the
Speaker 3: system work for black people. I would submit that the
Speaker 3: system works for no one when the race of the
Speaker 3: defendant is more important than the evidence in the case.
Speaker 3: And I would submit that tall Rico has strange, strange,
Speaker 3: even racist, one could argue views about the character of
Speaker 3: black Texans who wind up on juries. Does he really
Speaker 3: believe that black Texans would look beyond evidence and the
Speaker 3: law to permit murder simply because the defendant was also black?
Speaker 3: Does he realize what he is saying about the character
Speaker 3: of his fellow Texans, his fellow Americans. Now, we brought
Speaker 3: you the story earlier this week of Taal Rico believing
Speaker 3: that black Americans are too stupid to figure out how
Speaker 3: to use an ID to vote. Now he apparently thinks
Speaker 3: Black Americans are of such low character that they would
Speaker 3: openly permit murder in their communities because well, I guess
Speaker 3: that's what he thinks their top priorities are for their neighborhood.
Speaker 3: I am flabbergasted by this man, and I sense that
Speaker 3: he has no idea, none whatsoever, what these racist ideas
Speaker 3: sound like coming out of his silly, unseerious pandering mouth.
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Speaker 3: It is Friday, August, the twenty first, Common Sense for
Speaker 3: the American people. By the way, Coming up in about
Speaker 3: ten minutes, we have Ralph Norman of South Carolina here.
Speaker 3: He's one of the two remaining Republicans vying to replace
Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham on the November Senate ballot. The other is
Speaker 3: Darlene Graham, Lindsey Graham's sister. She has the President's endorsement.
Speaker 3: But Ralph Norman finished second in that runoff. He's a congressman.
Speaker 3: He ran for governor this year. Some people think he
Speaker 3: may actually be ahead in that campaign. It's close and
Speaker 3: he's coming by. He's being outspent, and the President's working
Speaker 3: for his opponent, but Ralph's hanging in there. I don't
Speaker 3: know where you all stand on this, but I'm looking
Speaker 3: forward to talking to Ralph. I've known Ralph Norman for
Speaker 3: twenty years and I'm kind of fascinated by his journey.
Speaker 3: So we'll have that conversation in a minute. I remain,
Speaker 3: by the way, flabbergasted at this James Talerico story. We
Speaker 3: just brought you the idea that a candidate for the
Speaker 3: United States Senate would argue that you perhaps should get
Speaker 3: away with murder because of the color of your skin,
Speaker 3: or that a juror might find you guilty or not
Speaker 3: guilty based on the color of your skin. I mean,
Speaker 3: tall Rico's clearly implying in his comments that if we
Speaker 3: could just get some black jurors, you guys could get
Speaker 3: away with murder. It is so racist what he is saying.
Speaker 3: He has this need to pander, and it leads to
Speaker 3: these appallingly racist statements. Earlier, he was saying, effectively that
Speaker 3: black voters are too dumb to figure out how to
Speaker 3: use an ID to vote.
Speaker 1: Now he's saying.
Speaker 3: Black jurors will let you get away with murder as
Speaker 3: long as you're black. Does he not understand what he
Speaker 3: is saying about the intelligence and the character of these
Speaker 3: voters that he.
Speaker 1: Seeks to persuade. It's insulting Black Texans.
Speaker 3: Black Americans do not need tallar Rico or any other
Speaker 3: Democrat to grant them permission to disregard the law to
Speaker 3: commit violence and murder. They need safe neighborhoods, They need
Speaker 3: prosecutors who prosecute They need juries who honestly examine evidence
Speaker 3: and hold criminals accountable. And they need political leaders who
Speaker 3: believe they possess the same judgment, integrity, and sense of
Speaker 3: civic responsibility as any other American.
Speaker 1: All men are created equal.
Speaker 3: All Americans deserve equal justice under the law. There's a
Speaker 3: reason that Lady Justice wears a blindfold. But with this
Speaker 3: obscene pandering, tall Rico thinks he is flattering Black voters,
Speaker 3: He's actually insulting them. He is reducing responsible citizens down
Speaker 3: to racial partisans who cannot or will not follow the
Speaker 3: evidence or the law when another, the human being, has
Speaker 3: been murdered.
Speaker 1: It is utterly disqualifying for high office. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3: It's close race in Texas. I don't know what's going
Speaker 3: to happen. By the way, close race down there another
Speaker 3: story I want to bring you. Jill Biden has sat
Speaker 3: down for a podcast interview, and in it she raised
Speaker 3: or affirmed that at least the possibility exists that Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Was roofed.
Speaker 3: Before that fateful debate against Trump in the summer of
Speaker 3: twenty four.
Speaker 1: Let's hear a little audio from the debate.
Speaker 10: Guys, play that, and I'm going to continue to move
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Speaker 1: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at
Speaker 1: the end of this. I don't think he knows what
Speaker 1: he said either.
Speaker 3: Look, you remember Biden was absolutely I don't even know
Speaker 3: how to describe it now. I mean, you remember what happened, Well,
Speaker 3: listen to Jill Biden talking about it now cut Ford.
Speaker 11: Still to this day, you don't have a gut instinct
Speaker 11: on what was that moment? No, I mean, there's all
Speaker 11: kinds of there is. You know, he had been traveling.
Speaker 11: I know he was tired, he didn't feel well that
Speaker 11: day when I saw him, But there was nothing definitive
Speaker 11: that I could point to. And I had been on
Speaker 11: the road for two weeks up until that moment, so
Speaker 11: I wasn't with him. I didn't see him days before,
Speaker 11: weeks before. I saw him maybe one hour before.
Speaker 4: And there's no way anyone could, of God forbid, laced
Speaker 4: his drink.
Speaker 1: Or knows who knows.
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 3: Listen to that? Could anyone have laced Joe Biden's drink?
Speaker 3: The President of the United States, Jill Biden says, Oh,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, doctor. Jill Biden says, who knows?
Speaker 6: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Who knows?
Speaker 3: This man is surrounded by the Secret Service, and you're
Speaker 3: saying somebody could a roofied Joe Biden?
Speaker 1: Who knows? I guess we'll never know. Do you know
Speaker 1: how insane this sounds?
Speaker 3: These Biden's were the most irresponsible people to ever hold
Speaker 3: this office. Listen to them now, heck, listen to them. Then,
Speaker 3: all right, we got to take a break. When we
Speaker 3: come back, Ralph Norman is here South Carolina politics.
Speaker 1: It's wild stay with us.
Speaker 5: No for America's favorite pundit, it's Scott Jennings.
Speaker 3: In about thirty seconds, we bring Congressman Ralph Norman to
Speaker 3: the Scott Jennings Show. He's on the ballot in South Carolina,
Speaker 3: one of two Republicans remaining buying to replace the late
Speaker 3: Senator Lindsey Graham on the November ballot. The other is
Speaker 3: Darlene Graham, Lindsey Graham's sister. It is quite a strange
Speaker 3: situation in South Carolina. But Ralph Norman is one of
Speaker 3: the conservatives that you know and have known for many
Speaker 3: years who's in the final two, and I want to
Speaker 3: have a conversation with him about how this campaign is
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Speaker 3: That's the next iteration in this All right, The primary
Speaker 3: season is almost sorted out in America, but not quite
Speaker 3: yet in South Carolina, where as you know, Senator Lindsay
Speaker 3: Graham passed away several weeks ago and they had an
Speaker 3: initial election to replace him, and it got down to
Speaker 3: a runoff between Darlene Graham, who was appointed to the
Speaker 3: US Senate by South Carolina's governor and then she decided
Speaker 3: to run for the full term, and Ralph Norman, US Congressman.
Speaker 3: He just ran for governor earlier this year in that
Speaker 3: Republican primary. He's now in the Senate race. Let's hear
Speaker 3: what Ralph Norman is telling the people of South Carolina.
Speaker 1: Cut one.
Speaker 8: I spent my career building a business, but I couldn't
Speaker 8: stand by while Washington spent money it didn't have. So
Speaker 8: I got in the fight and I never forgot who
Speaker 8: elected me. This election is about the America we pass
Speaker 8: on to your family.
Speaker 2: Mind.
Speaker 8: We inherited freedom, and that's our turn to defend it,
Speaker 8: to strengthen it, and to leave America stronger than we
Speaker 8: found it. You shouldn't have to guess where your next
Speaker 8: senator stands with me.
Speaker 1: You already know.
Speaker 8: I'm Ralph Norman, and I approved this message.
Speaker 3: And joining us live to discuss this campaign is Ralph Norman, Congressman.
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us here on the Scott Jenning Show.
Speaker 12: Well glad to be with you, Scott.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to hear your voice today, and I'm
Speaker 3: interested in this campaign. It's one of the most unusual situations. Obviously,
Speaker 3: our friend Lindsey Graham. His passing shocked Washington. I know
Speaker 3: it shocked you, and this race to replace him is
Speaker 3: unfolded in a very strange situation. The Senator's sister was
Speaker 3: appointed as a caretaker for the rest of this term,
Speaker 3: but that ends in January, and Senator Graham was facing
Speaker 3: election in November for a new six year term.
Speaker 1: That's where you come in.
Speaker 3: A bunch of Republicans ran for his nomination and it
Speaker 3: got down to a final two between Darlene Graham and
Speaker 3: now you. President Trump is with Darlene Graham. You've been
Speaker 3: an ally of President Trump on many issues over the
Speaker 3: years as well. I want to start there. How is
Speaker 3: all that sitting with the voters of South Carolina? Is
Speaker 3: that going to be determinative or can you overcome it?
Speaker 12: Well? I think well, first of all, what President Trump
Speaker 12: has done for this country is something I'll always be
Speaker 12: grateful for. With a Kamala Harris, had she won, this
Speaker 12: country would not be able to have survived. And he's
Speaker 12: the one who did it. And I'll always be honored
Speaker 12: to serve with him and to buck him, which I've done.
Speaker 12: Now I ask him for the for his endorsement, which
Speaker 12: is good for any candidate in particularly South Carolina. We're
Speaker 12: a red state, going to stay at red state hopefully.
Speaker 12: But that being said, the people of South Carolina are
Speaker 12: going to pick the next senator and they're engaged. I
Speaker 12: think from early voting it's we've got to increase turnout
Speaker 12: in good areas. So but he'll be He's coming down
Speaker 12: and we've got a big rally tonight and Anderson that
Speaker 12: we're going to attend. But you know, it's all so
Speaker 12: unfortunate that Lindsey died to you know, it's unconventional that
Speaker 12: we're facing this at this point. It was such a
Speaker 12: short runway to campaign and take our message to the voters.
Speaker 3: You did have a debate Congressman the other night, and
Speaker 3: this of course has made the national political news this week.
Speaker 3: There was a question about foreign policy that was raised
Speaker 3: in the debate, and Darlene Graham gave an answer that frankly,
Speaker 3: has ricochet around the political world.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to that and cut number three.
Speaker 13: All ur Taiwan and the South China see National Security
Speaker 13: issues for the United States.
Speaker 1: And if so, lie or how.
Speaker 13: I'm just going to be honest here. I'm not on
Speaker 13: national security that I'm not that informed on national security.
Speaker 13: So but I do support the military. My brother was
Speaker 13: in the Air Force for thirty three years, so I
Speaker 13: will do everything I can to support the military. My
Speaker 13: dad was in the Army. I'm not a polished politician
Speaker 13: up here. National security is not my thing, not my
Speaker 13: area of expertise, but I do support the military.
Speaker 1: Congressman, how do you respond to that?
Speaker 3: And is foreign policy the top issue for voters in
Speaker 3: this election? Does she have a point that maybe it's
Speaker 3: not that vital for the next senator from South Carolina
Speaker 3: to know that much about this stuff.
Speaker 12: Anybody serving and I don't care what office it is,
Speaker 12: national security is upmost concerned. I mean, it's sad that
Speaker 12: you and I know she would take it back if
Speaker 12: she could, but you know, being up there with her, Scott,
Speaker 12: she just didn't want to be there, you could tell that.
Speaker 12: But she owes it to the voters in South Carolina
Speaker 12: to get under the lights, to take any all questions.
Speaker 12: And that one she just as you could hear from
Speaker 12: the crowd, is a big gasp, And rightfully so. So
Speaker 12: it's she really hadn't clarified it since then, and you
Speaker 12: know it's she runs her own campaign though, and she
Speaker 12: has her own advisors.
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 12: Was shocked as well when I was we were.
Speaker 3: Up there, Congressman, how would your foreign policy views be
Speaker 3: similar or different from Lindsay Graham's?
Speaker 1: Obviously that was his major area of focus.
Speaker 3: He was one of the biggest hawks and national security
Speaker 3: focus senators in Washington. Would you be similar or do
Speaker 3: you have different ideas about the shape you would put
Speaker 3: on the office.
Speaker 12: What's different between Lindsay and I is I mean, as
Speaker 12: we found out two days ago, the crisis that we're
Speaker 12: facing in this country, as I did, and I don't
Speaker 12: believe in endless wars. I just don't. We can't afford
Speaker 12: it now. I do believe in peace through strengths. I
Speaker 12: do support the president what he did in Iran. That
Speaker 12: was a They've been at war with US for forty
Speaker 12: seven years and had he not taken him out, we
Speaker 12: would have paid a tremendous price, and if they got
Speaker 12: a nuclear weapon. That being said, you know, we've got
Speaker 12: to come to a conclusion with this war. And I
Speaker 12: think he will, but we've got to get our own
Speaker 12: financial health back into focus and actually do something about it.
Speaker 12: And the message he sent by the actions that he
Speaker 12: took that the Obama didn't take, Biden didn't take. He
Speaker 12: took strong action which will keep us out of wars
Speaker 12: in the future. But we're going to build up our military,
Speaker 12: We're will fund it, but we've got to get our
Speaker 12: financial house in order. And I just that's the difference
Speaker 12: that I think I will bring to the Senate, which
Speaker 12: it's got As you know, it's a body that's where
Speaker 12: good bills go to die. It doesn't matter whether it's
Speaker 12: national security that it faces. The Senate. It's the graveyard
Speaker 12: for good bills, and the Save Act is a perfect
Speaker 12: example of that.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you about the operations of the Senate
Speaker 3: because this has emerged as an issue. President Trump has
Speaker 3: called on the Senate and he believed this in his
Speaker 3: first term as well. He's called on Senate Republicans to
Speaker 3: eliminate the filibuster. Now, Senator Graham was a supporter of
Speaker 3: the philibuster. President Trump and a few other senators now
Speaker 3: say we should get rid of it. Where do you
Speaker 3: stand on that issue?
Speaker 12: You know, what's changed with the Democrats, we're getting no
Speaker 12: help on anything they pose the Save Act, and the
Speaker 12: fact is that, you know what I will do is
Speaker 12: go to Sena to foom and say soon this is
Speaker 12: a national security one, the security of our elections and
Speaker 12: having people know that they're safe and secure. But how
Speaker 12: can we make this happen? The Save Actor is pretty simple,
Speaker 12: just verifying that you're an American citizen. And if it's
Speaker 12: eliminate the philibuster, we do it. If it's a walk
Speaker 12: in filibuster, we do it. If a challenge of the
Speaker 12: parliamentary we do it. All that to say is to
Speaker 12: just say we don't have the votes, Scott. We've got
Speaker 12: a fifty three to forty seven majority, we control all
Speaker 12: three branches of government. Now's the time to move on it.
Speaker 12: And if that doesn't happen, as I would have been
Speaker 12: pretty clear, we will. I'll do what it takes to
Speaker 12: replace him or whoever it takes to make sure this
Speaker 12: happens and gets through the Senate. And look at all
Speaker 12: the American First agenda that we got to deal with.
Speaker 12: But this bill is paramount and we shouldn't be voting
Speaker 12: on anything but that. And I will have press conferences
Speaker 12: with those who are conservative and have endorsed me, Rick Scott,
Speaker 12: Mike Lee, Ted Cruz is another big proponent of the
Speaker 12: same act, and so we have to move on it.
Speaker 12: So I'm a big proponent of doing away with it,
Speaker 12: and the Democrats are will do that anyway if and
Speaker 12: when they get back in power in the Senate.
Speaker 3: Ed voicer hearing is Congressman Ralph Norman of the Great
Speaker 3: State of South Carolina. He's running for the United States Senate,
Speaker 3: one of two Republicans left in the race. Now, Congressman,
Speaker 3: if you get this nomination as a Republican, you'll be
Speaker 3: going on to face a Democrat in the fall. Her
Speaker 3: name is Annie Andrews. I've seen her on a TV
Speaker 3: little bit. She's out on the media circuit a little bit.
Speaker 3: She is firmly rejecting, at least in some of the
Speaker 3: media stuff. I've seen this idea that Democrats need to
Speaker 3: turn into or transform into socialists. But I'm interested in
Speaker 3: your view of this overall debate, which to me, nationally
Speaker 3: is are we going to be a socialist country or not?
Speaker 3: She seems to be trying to walk away from that.
Speaker 3: Will you be able to nationalize this race? In that
Speaker 3: way come November, and how would you approach a Democrat
Speaker 3: in South Carolina who's trying, at least rhetorically to be
Speaker 3: more moderate than some of these other socialists we've seen
Speaker 3: in other places.
Speaker 9: It is a.
Speaker 12: Previous coming attraction, Scott. She wi a campaign as a moderate,
Speaker 12: like a lot of them do, and then they morph
Speaker 12: into a what their party has become, which is a
Speaker 12: socialist Marxist communist party. I mean, you look what's happened
Speaker 12: in New York, California, the news, what's going to happen
Speaker 12: to Virginia. And so if you look at her background,
Speaker 12: I mean, she's pro abortion, she's protrans, she's pro surgery
Speaker 12: on our young people. She represents what the Democratic Party
Speaker 12: has turned into. And so they're putting the money into
Speaker 12: my opponent, the money that is backs Kamala Harris, the
Speaker 12: money that backs move on dot org, and they're gonna
Speaker 12: focus on this race. They smell blood in the water.
Speaker 12: Pete Buddhaje Edge is coming down this weekend, and in
Speaker 12: their minds, they've got an opportunity to hear, well, it's
Speaker 12: not going to happen. Uh we will, we will wind,
Speaker 12: I will beat doctor Andrews, and when we show her
Speaker 12: what her record is and what she supports, which is
Speaker 12: not South Carolina values.
Speaker 3: Congressman Ralph Norman, longtime member of the House of Representatives,
Speaker 3: member of the House Freedom Caucus, one of your hallmarks, Congressmen,
Speaker 3: is being a fiscal conservative. I assume that is coming
Speaker 3: up out on the campaign trail.
Speaker 1: We wish you luck.
Speaker 3: It's a It is a strange, unconventional, wild time in
Speaker 3: South Carolina politics. And we're grateful for you time today.
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on the show.
Speaker 12: Okay, jeh, thank you us.
Speaker 1: All right, Ralph, take care of my friend.
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Speaker 3: When we come back, brand new polling out of Michigan.
Speaker 3: It's breaking news with the AARPS John Hishta after this, Hey,
Speaker 3: welcome back to the Scott Jennings Show, rounding out the
Speaker 3: hour with some breaking political news. You know, one of
Speaker 3: the biggest and most important states in this midterm is Michigan.
Speaker 3: There's a huge Senate race, there's a huge governor's race,
Speaker 3: and with some new polling on Michigan, our friend John
Speaker 3: Hishta from the AAARP is here and they've got this
Speaker 3: data fresh out of the field. John, you shared last
Speaker 3: month with us, you're Georgia data, now you're in Michigan.
Speaker 1: What's the top line? What do people need to know.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's a dead heat in the
Speaker 2: Senate race and the Democrat nominee and the governor's.
Speaker 6: Race is up by a few points.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, both races are tight
Speaker 2: and will continue to be tight.
Speaker 6: And what's interesting is seniors.
Speaker 2: Particularly those fifty plus, are extremely motivated to vote in
Speaker 2: this election, much more so than younger voters. I think
Speaker 2: the difference is fifteen points in terms of extremely motivated
Speaker 2: to vote between those fifty plus. It even gets larger
Speaker 2: when you look at the sixty five plus who are
Speaker 2: motivated to vote.
Speaker 6: The difference is almost eighteen points there.
Speaker 2: And so it would be incumbent upon the candidates and
Speaker 2: both of those races to focus on those voters who
Speaker 2: we know are going to show up at the polls.
Speaker 2: And as you know Scott and off year elections, fifty
Speaker 2: plus voters make up the majority of those who show
Speaker 2: up at the polls and.
Speaker 6: Vote, and so they're going to be a key voting
Speaker 6: block this year as well.
Speaker 3: John, let me go back over the top news here
Speaker 3: in the governor's race, you've got Jocelyn Benson the Democrat,
Speaker 3: ahead of John James, the Republican, forty nine to forty five,
Speaker 3: and in the Senate race, you've got a virtual dead heat.
Speaker 3: Abdul l Sied sits at forty eight and Mike Rodgers,
Speaker 3: the Republican, sits at forty seven. Now the top lines
Speaker 3: for voters ages fifty and up are a little different.
Speaker 3: John James leads Benson for governor by a point among
Speaker 3: fifty plus voters, and Mike Rodgers has a nine point
Speaker 3: lead over Abdul Lsied among voters fifty plus. But what
Speaker 3: I want to talk about is what you just said
Speaker 3: at the end there the motivation. Your polling finds that
Speaker 3: older voters are more motivated to participate in the election.
Speaker 1: Do I have that right?
Speaker 6: That is correct by a large amount.
Speaker 2: And so the other thing to keep in mind is that,
Speaker 2: as you know, Scott, in these races which are extremely tight,
Speaker 2: the candidates need to focus on those voters who are
Speaker 2: still up for grabs, and in this case, you have
Speaker 2: a significant slice of the fifty plus somewhere in the
Speaker 2: neighborhood of ten to.
Speaker 6: Fourteen percent who are still on the side and swing voters.
Speaker 2: Those are going to be the key for both candidates
Speaker 2: and both races to go after.
Speaker 3: All right, John, History with the aaarp as our guest,
Speaker 3: I have to ask, then, if you've got swing voters
Speaker 3: in that senior crowd, if you were running these races,
Speaker 3: what issues does the data tell you they need to
Speaker 3: look at and talk to these voters about them.
Speaker 2: I would look at it through the prism of affordability.
Speaker 2: But it's a little different when you get.
Speaker 6: To older age folks.
Speaker 2: And so the sixty five plus in particular, to them,
Speaker 2: social security is an affordability issue. They rely on it,
Speaker 2: they need it, and they want to make sure they
Speaker 2: have it.
Speaker 6: And so if I was advising candidates and.
Speaker 2: The Senate race, I would definitely focus on social security, Medicare,
Speaker 2: and healthcare costs because that is something that's very very
Speaker 2: important to them beyond just the everyday affordability costs. And
Speaker 2: if I was advising folks for governor, it would be
Speaker 2: the same thing, focus on affordability.
Speaker 3: John, let me ask you a question about medicare, because
Speaker 3: obviously this is important to vote sixty five plus. Abdul
Speaker 3: lsied in the center race, I mean the centerpiece of
Speaker 3: his campaign, one of them is Medicare for all. How
Speaker 3: do senior voters who rely on medicare view the idea
Speaker 3: of expanding that program to everybody. Is that something they welcome?
Speaker 3: Is that something that they're worried about? How would you
Speaker 3: recommend our audience understand Medicare for All in light of
Speaker 3: the senior voters here relying on Medicare as it currently exists.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that it remains to be seen what
Speaker 2: the details are for that Medicare for All means a
Speaker 2: lot of things to a lot of different people. But
Speaker 2: if I'm on Medicare, I want to make sure that
Speaker 2: it is run right and that I get the best
Speaker 2: bang for my buck to make sure that my healthcare
Speaker 2: has taken care of.
Speaker 6: So if I was advising a candidate to.
Speaker 2: Talk about Medicare, I would talk about things like lowering
Speaker 2: prescription drug costs, things like making sure you have access
Speaker 2: to doctors and so on and so Again, I think
Speaker 2: is a catchphrase that means a lot to a lot
Speaker 2: of different people. But if I was advising candidate to
Speaker 2: talk about Medicare, particularly as it relates to seniors, I
Speaker 2: would focus on what Medicare should be for those who
Speaker 2: have earned it, much like Social Security, because.
Speaker 6: They've paid into it over the course of their working lives.
Speaker 3: All right, That Voisher hearing today John Hishta with the
Speaker 3: AARP and he brings us the breaking news. AARP has
Speaker 3: released its brand new poll in Michigan. We have a
Speaker 3: dead heat in the Senate race, a dead heat, and
Speaker 3: we have Democrats with a small advantage in the race
Speaker 3: for governor. There's a lot of interest in senior voters.
Speaker 3: They are far more student voting than younger voters. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of swing voters in that crowd. And AARP
Speaker 3: has you covered on the issues that they care about.
Speaker 3: John Hisshta, thank you for being here. We take a
Speaker 3: break and when we come back, Interview of the Week
Speaker 3: with Mark Helper and legendary political journalists on the other side.
Speaker 1: Right after this, Welcome.
Speaker 3: Back to the show, Friday, August the twenty first. Grateful
Speaker 3: for your tuning in today to common sense for the
Speaker 3: American people. And this is a special edition of the
Speaker 3: Scott Jennings Show. We're going to try something new today.
Speaker 3: We're going to take the second hour of the show
Speaker 3: and offer a full exploration of someone in our politics
Speaker 3: or our culture who I think is interesting and making
Speaker 3: a difference. And our first subject in this new series
Speaker 3: is Mark Halprin, who is a journalist, political commentator, author,
Speaker 3: and the founder of the interactive media platform called two Way.
Speaker 3: I think it's one of the most interesting political commentary
Speaker 3: platforms operating today.
Speaker 1: Mark is on the leading edge.
Speaker 3: Of how the business of journalism and commentary is changing,
Speaker 3: and I can tell you from personal experience over the
Speaker 3: last twenty six years, Mark Halpren often knows what is
Speaker 3: happening or is going to happen in politics before every
Speaker 3: other journalist and political operative. I don't know how he
Speaker 3: does it, but somehow you know it's Mark Alpern.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Scott Chenning Show.
Speaker 9: Scott, honored to be here, humbled by your kind words,
Speaker 9: and looking forward to being your guinea pig for the hour.
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to hop on the guinea pig wheel
Speaker 3: here together and see how it works. I want to
Speaker 3: start with your background. You've been around a long time,
Speaker 3: but let's go to the beginning. Where did your interest
Speaker 3: in politics and journalism actually start.
Speaker 9: I grew up in Washington, d C. My dad has
Speaker 9: had an extraordinary career. He's working on his memoirs now.
Speaker 9: Came to Washington in the Johnson administration, worked at the Pentagon,
Speaker 9: then switched right over to the Nixon administration, where he
Speaker 9: was hired by Henry Kissinger, with whom he taught at
Speaker 9: Harvard and has never left Washington.
Speaker 7: So my hometown paper was the Washington Post.
Speaker 9: And family friends were journalists and people in politics and government.
Speaker 9: And I believed when I was a young person what
Speaker 9: has animated my career, which is I have a fascination
Speaker 9: with America, and the best way to understand America to
Speaker 9: me is through the prism of our leaders, our elections,
Speaker 9: the voters of the country. And so I just grew
Speaker 9: up with that mentality. Again a bit of a paradox.
Speaker 9: I grew up literally, I'm living growing up about a
Speaker 9: mile outside the Beltway. But my mentality for my childhood
Speaker 9: and for my career was to try to understand the
Speaker 9: whole country and the world.
Speaker 3: Now, Mark, you joined ABC News in nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 3: and you eventually became ABC's political director. You created this
Speaker 3: product called the Note, which I can tell you from
Speaker 3: having been a political operative during those years, was required
Speaker 3: reading in political circles.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you what is it that you.
Speaker 3: Understood then and what you understand now about the political
Speaker 3: media ecosystem that leads you to developing these products that
Speaker 3: are a little bit ahead of their time as it
Speaker 3: relates to distributing this political information and commentary to the American.
Speaker 7: People appreciate that.
Speaker 9: I think there's three things that I've tried to combine
Speaker 9: in my career that make me a little bit different
Speaker 9: than some others. Number One, be a traditional world class journalist,
Speaker 9: or at least aspire to be by doing all the basics,
Speaker 9: treating people with respect, carefully reporting stories, producing a product
Speaker 9: that's both information that's important and interesting. So number one
Speaker 9: is understanding the journalism. Number two is understanding the business.
Speaker 9: As you know Scott from hanging out with a lot
Speaker 9: of journalists. Most of them, if you ask them about
Speaker 9: where does your company make money or how does your
Speaker 9: company plan to make money next year, they have no
Speaker 9: interest in that.
Speaker 7: No understanding of that.
Speaker 9: But I've been interested in that whether I've been in
Speaker 9: old legacy media or new media. And then finally, and
Speaker 9: I think this may be the thing that speaks to
Speaker 9: my introduction of new products throughout my career is technology. Again,
Speaker 9: a lot of journalists don't think about distribution, they don't
Speaker 9: think about promotion. But I've spent my career no matter
Speaker 9: what my job was thinking about those things. Finding journalism,
Speaker 9: business and technology, I think is a extent I've had
Speaker 9: a success. I think it's been the unusual, a combination
Speaker 9: of thinking about and trying to excel at all three.
Speaker 3: At Voischer hearing on the Scott Jennings Show, journalist Mark
Speaker 3: Halper and Mark you over many many cycles, covered candidates,
Speaker 3: You covered presidents. She covered campaigns at the highest level
Speaker 3: of American politics. I want to ask if there was
Speaker 3: ever a moment when you realized that you had sort
Speaker 3: of transitioned from covering the political establishment to becoming part
Speaker 3: of it, because I think there for a while, and
Speaker 3: I think even now you're very much fixed as one
Speaker 3: of the most well known parts of what most average
Speaker 3: people would call the political establishment in this country.
Speaker 9: Well, I made references earlier when I said talking about
Speaker 9: growing up in the DC area, I grew up in Washington.
Speaker 9: I've lived in Manhattan almost my entire adult life, and
Speaker 9: I went to Harvard College Harvard University. That makes me
Speaker 9: a charter member of the establishment. But I've also covered
Speaker 9: politics in forty nine of the fifty states, and I
Speaker 9: covered President Trump in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen rallies
Speaker 9: and talked to voters in more than thirty states.
Speaker 7: And I think that.
Speaker 9: Again, to the extent I've had success in my career,
Speaker 9: I understand the establishment pretty well, and guilty is charged Scott.
Speaker 9: There's some hallmarks on me that would suggest, yeah, that
Speaker 9: guy's in the establishment. But I can talk to anybody.
Speaker 9: I can go anywhere. I think I understand rural main
Speaker 9: I think I understand Chicago. I think I understand Elco,
Speaker 9: and I think I understand El Paso. I mean, it's
Speaker 9: not that hard. Americans are pretty open people. They're pretty
Speaker 9: welcoming people. So yeah, I'm a member of the establishment
Speaker 9: by some standards. But I've spent my career, and I
Speaker 9: think this is as much as anything I've done in
Speaker 9: my career to excel and differentiate. I've spent my career
Speaker 9: traveling Erica, talking to people, not necessarily political operatives, although
Speaker 9: I've talked to plenty of those, but talking to people
Speaker 9: throughout the country.
Speaker 7: I did a thing in New.
Speaker 9: Orleans for the Circus in twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen.
Speaker 9: I guess talking to some convention, some people from a
Speaker 9: CPA convention. We're having a lunch at a New Orleans
Speaker 9: buffet and there were CPAs about twenty of them, maybe
Speaker 9: from all over the country. I learned more talking to
Speaker 9: that conversation than a month with members of Congress.
Speaker 7: No offense to members of Congress.
Speaker 9: And that's what I've done throughout my career, tried to
Speaker 9: talk to real Americans where they live about what their aspirations, feares, hopes, dreams,
Speaker 9: possibilities are.
Speaker 3: This phase one part of your career, that's what I'm
Speaker 3: going to call it. You were ABC, you were Bloomberg,
Speaker 3: you referenced the show, the Circus, you had the book
Speaker 3: Game Change, of all of these different things that you
Speaker 3: were part of during that first major phase of your career.
Speaker 1: What were you most proud of during that time?
Speaker 9: Probably trying to bring fairness and traditional journalism practices to
Speaker 9: legacy media at a time when legacy media was in decline.
Speaker 9: I got there right at the end of the monopoly
Speaker 9: of ABC, CBS, NBC, Time, Newsweek, AP, New York Times,
Speaker 9: Washington Post, Wall Street Journal. When I started my career,
Speaker 9: there were about eight news organizations. They dominated everything. And
Speaker 9: as the news organizations became more superficial as they lost
Speaker 9: their monopoly and said, well, we got to cover less
Speaker 9: about healthcare policy and more about the real housewives of wherever.
Speaker 9: I'm proud of an effort to do news that was serious,
Speaker 9: and I'm proud, led by the man who was my
Speaker 9: mentor in my career, Peter Jennings of ABC News, to
Speaker 9: not be biased, to not cut off half of America
Speaker 9: who looked at the establishment media as liberally biased, not
Speaker 9: to be conservative media, just to say why would why
Speaker 9: would we only want to try to sell to half
Speaker 9: the customers in America? And I did that at a
Speaker 9: time in my career before there were people like you
Speaker 9: access to the airwaves to call out liberal bias, before
Speaker 9: Ari Fleischer was George Bush's press here to before it
Speaker 9: there became ways to call it out. I called it
Speaker 9: out both publicly and privately, and took a lot of
Speaker 9: heat for that. But it's the absolute right thing, not
Speaker 9: just for America and not just for conservatives, but for
Speaker 9: the news organizations I worked for whose liberal bias I
Speaker 9: felt that the time and still do endangered their business model.
Speaker 9: So probably those two things, serious journalism and an effort
Speaker 9: to try to write the ship on liberal bias.
Speaker 3: We're going to continue our conversation after this break with
Speaker 3: Mark halprin Mark. We'll talk about phase two of your
Speaker 3: career and the abrupt interruption that happened in your own life.
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Speaker 1: Show, Friday, August to twenty first. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Bit of breaking news before we return to our conversation
Speaker 3: with Mark Halpren told, the Supreme Court has just allowed
Speaker 3: President Trump to continue White House ballroom construction.
Speaker 1: For now.
Speaker 3: We'll track down this story for you and have details later.
Speaker 3: But that's the breaking news here in this second hour
Speaker 3: of common sense for the American people. Mark Alprin is
Speaker 3: our guest is the founder of the interactive media platform
Speaker 3: known as two Way, and he's a long time political
Speaker 3: journalist and political commentator.
Speaker 1: Mark.
Speaker 3: Thank you for being with us today and allowing us
Speaker 3: to explore your long and interesting career. Mark, Your career
Speaker 3: took an interruption in twenty seventeen. You had some workplace
Speaker 3: misconduct allegations during your years at ABC, you acknowledged behavior
Speaker 3: that you described as inappropriate, You apologized, and then almost overnight,
Speaker 3: you lost virtually every professional platform that you had. Looking
Speaker 3: back on that period, now, what did you learn about
Speaker 3: yourself when all of these things that you had been
Speaker 3: building and working for your whole life disappeared in the
Speaker 3: blink of an eye.
Speaker 9: Gratitude to my family and my real friends, Gratitude for
Speaker 9: those who believed in me. Gratitude for the opportunity in
Speaker 9: America to acknowledge missdes to not be subject to.
Speaker 7: The destruction of false allegations.
Speaker 9: If you have got a sense of perseverance and the
Speaker 9: capacity to try to get a fresh start.
Speaker 3: Second acts are sometimes hard to come by, and you're
Speaker 3: having one right now, and I think quite a successful
Speaker 3: second act. What does it take in America to earn
Speaker 3: a second act? Who deserves a second act in our
Speaker 3: culture these days?
Speaker 7: Well, I think every case is different.
Speaker 9: You know, Unfortunately, a lot of the declaration of cancelation
Speaker 9: is not facts based, not fact based. If a group
Speaker 9: of people doesn't need to be a very large group
Speaker 9: of people decide somebody should be canceled, facts don't matter,
Speaker 9: and that's unfortunate. I have so many friends who I
Speaker 9: always want to know the facts, so I wass asking them.
Speaker 9: But if so many friends who say to me, no
Speaker 9: one ever asked me the facts, you're the first person
Speaker 9: to ever ask me what the facts of the situation
Speaker 9: and are so I think unfortunately, we went through a
Speaker 9: period on a variety of issues in which there were
Speaker 9: savments of society that just decided without often with that,
Speaker 9: I would say, more often than not, without investigation, without
Speaker 9: due process, without fairness, that certain people just shouldn't be
Speaker 9: allowed to have lives. And you and I both know
Speaker 9: many people associated with President Trump who lost access to
Speaker 9: all sorts of things in their professional lives and often
Speaker 9: in their personal lives. And there may be may have
Speaker 9: been some softening of that in some quarters, but it's
Speaker 9: still a real danger to our society and still really
Speaker 9: a difficult thing to explain to young people who are
Speaker 9: taught on the one hand that the country has due
Speaker 9: process and the country has fairness, and the country has forgiveness.
Speaker 9: And on the other hand, sometimes a group of people
Speaker 9: just decide that a certain person isn't isn't allowed to
Speaker 9: go through life in a normal way. And like I said,
Speaker 9: I always ask people what the facts are, and typically
Speaker 9: even if even if they are a version of the
Speaker 9: facts that's in one hundred percent correct, usually differs pretty
Speaker 9: dramatically from the public record.
Speaker 1: Mark.
Speaker 3: After this happened, you stepped away from traditional media, and
Speaker 3: you took some time away from all of that, and
Speaker 3: while you were out, the media landscape changed dramatically. Did
Speaker 3: being shut out of traditional media force you or lead
Speaker 3: you to see its weaknesses more clearly and then allow
Speaker 3: you to build something new in the aftermath event.
Speaker 9: No, I've always, as an earlier conversation we had suggested,
Speaker 9: I've always seen the weaknesses in traditional media, and not
Speaker 9: just on the editorial side, but on the business side
Speaker 9: and on the technological side. Legacy media has some things
Speaker 9: that new media doesn't. If somebody blew up the federal
Speaker 9: building in Oklahoma City right now, Scott Jennings would not
Speaker 9: send fifty people to Oklahoma City to cover it. You
Speaker 9: just wouldn't. Just that's not what you're built to do.
Speaker 9: If Scott Jennings wanted to get the bottom of the
Speaker 9: Okazio Cortes administration's vaccination policy, you wouldn't be filing Freedom
Speaker 9: of Information Act requests or of suing If you didn't
Speaker 9: get the documents. Scott Jennings has no bureaus in Africa.
Speaker 9: So the old media, big places with the economies of
Speaker 9: scale to do stuff, they're important. But in the age
Speaker 9: in which we live, with the fragmentation of media, their
Speaker 9: dinosaurs and their business models don't work. I knew all
Speaker 9: that when I worked in there, and that's why throughout
Speaker 9: my career, as you mentioned with the note and other
Speaker 9: things I've done, when I was in legacy media, I
Speaker 9: was always entrepreneurial. I was always saying, my work will
Speaker 9: be excellent no matter what I do. It's just like
Speaker 9: the nature of my work. I need to be entrepreneurial.
Speaker 9: I need to understand how we're going to make money
Speaker 9: doing great work. And so in terms of the opportunities
Speaker 9: in new media, in terms of the differences in terms
Speaker 9: of the competitive advantages, I knew all about those when
Speaker 9: I was in legacy media, and I tried to bring
Speaker 9: those sensibilities and those advantages to legacy, as hard as
Speaker 9: that is. With the bureaucracy. I tried.
Speaker 3: Mark ten seconds before we go to our next break,
Speaker 3: who in news is worth watching today?
Speaker 1: Who do you pay most closely close attention to?
Speaker 9: Primarily Scott Jennings. Well that's a flattering answer. Thank you said,
Speaker 9: had only had said, only had ten seconds. Like most Americans,
Speaker 9: I don't watch much cable news, but I watched Scott
Speaker 9: Jennings on social media rolling his eyes at a parade
Speaker 9: of liberals.
Speaker 1: I love it all right.
Speaker 3: Mark Alpert is our special guest conversation Today.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a break.
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Speaker 3: of the Supreme Court, Chief Justice John Roberts has issued
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Speaker 3: get back to our political conversation. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 3: if you had to describe the political environment in America
Speaker 3: right now in one sentence, what would it be.
Speaker 9: A yearning to produce a better life for kids and
Speaker 9: grandkids by fundamentally changing the power between.
Speaker 7: The governed and the governors?
Speaker 1: Is there is?
Speaker 3: Is that what is driving most of our politics right
Speaker 3: now just sort of a fundamental distrust of, or discussed
Speaker 3: with the institutional elites who run our government and frankly
Speaker 3: other large institutions in this country.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think, as much as anything else, is what
Speaker 9: fuel Donald Trump's rise, and even though he's been president
Speaker 9: now for six years, I think it fuels a lot
Speaker 9: of the MAGA movement. It's what fuels the Democratic Socialists
Speaker 9: and Senator Sanders. And you look at what's going on
Speaker 9: with data centers where someone is dedicated to the free
Speaker 9: market and technological advantage, as Mike Rogers, Republican synd candidate
Speaker 9: in Michigan has now called for one year moratorium on
Speaker 9: data centers in Michigan. There's there's a there's a there's
Speaker 9: an optimistic country. It's a hopeful country. It's a country
Speaker 9: that wants our kids and grandkids to have more opportunity
Speaker 9: than we do. And what people see and it's backed
Speaker 9: by the data. That's they're not paranoid to think it
Speaker 9: too much power, too much wealth, concentrated in the hands
Speaker 9: of a few at the expense of the many, As
Speaker 9: doctor El said, Mike Roger's opponent says, the man the
Speaker 9: money over the many. And I think that is the
Speaker 9: strongest force in American politics. And it's not just on
Speaker 9: the far left and the far right. You go to
Speaker 9: a suburban potluck dinner in almost any suburb in America
Speaker 9: and you'll hear the same thing. The elites have too
Speaker 9: much power and they're not using it for the benefit
Speaker 9: of the many when it comes to income, when it
Speaker 9: comes to health. And that's not a liberal thing. Conservatives,
Speaker 9: i think, believe the same thing. The elites in this
Speaker 9: country have not governed correctly, and people want better governance
Speaker 9: that doesn't involve reliance on career politicians.
Speaker 3: You're raised mark One of the issues that is rising
Speaker 3: in many of these campaigns around the country, and that
Speaker 3: is the issue of data centers tell us do people
Speaker 3: have legitimate concerns about data centers, or are we living
Speaker 3: through mass hysteria that is fueled by online propaganda, which
Speaker 3: is closer to the truth.
Speaker 7: They're both.
Speaker 9: They're both true, and I know you were trying to
Speaker 9: set up the polls and understand why, but they're both true.
Speaker 9: There are legitimate complaints, and I really do think the
Speaker 9: people who run the AI companies, who are amongst literally
Speaker 9: the smartest people who've ever walked the face of the earth,
Speaker 9: have been absolute effing morons when it comes to understanding
Speaker 9: their obligation to society and basic public relations.
Speaker 7: One oh one.
Speaker 9: You can't have a bunch of millionaires and billionaires be
Speaker 9: the spokespeople for something that not only is probably going
Speaker 9: to be the most significant technological revolution in America, and
Speaker 9: technological revolutions always come with job loss, but something that
Speaker 9: is scary to people. And you can't make the physical
Speaker 9: manifestation of this scary, vague new technology, giant build ugly buildings,
Speaker 9: built in people's backyards. It's this malpractice that they've done
Speaker 9: it this way. This administration came in with a very
Speaker 9: definitive attitude, informed by the Biden folks. The Biden folks
Speaker 9: said to the industry, you got to be regulated. We
Speaker 9: got to regulate you. We're not going to make the
Speaker 9: mistake we made with social media. You've got to be regulated.
Speaker 9: And the industry supported President Trump in large part because
Speaker 9: President Trump and his team said, no, we're going to
Speaker 9: beat China by empowering this industry. And then they put
Speaker 9: David Sacks, a very smart man, in charge of this
Speaker 9: and David Sachs is a I would say absolutist, but
Speaker 9: pretty close to saying no regulation. Okay, so you have
Speaker 9: an industry with no sense of public relations, You've got
Speaker 9: an administration with a high fidelity to no regulation of
Speaker 9: this sector. And then in the real world that backfired,
Speaker 9: and didn't just backfire with liberals and socialists, it backfired
Speaker 9: with people across the political spectrum. You and I have
Speaker 9: never lived through, with the possible exception of attitudes towards
Speaker 9: same sex marriage, we have never lived through such a
Speaker 9: dramatic change in public opinion in such a short period
Speaker 9: of time. And so now I think through the election
Speaker 9: through the interim is going to be a pandorama who
Speaker 9: can accuse the other side more fervently of being in
Speaker 9: the pocket of big Big Ai. And then hopefully after
Speaker 9: the election there'll be a more rational conversation because yes,
Speaker 9: there's paranoia about it, but there are also real concerns
Speaker 9: that someone's gonna have to find a way to solomon
Speaker 9: like navigate their way through the proper level of regulation here.
Speaker 3: And based on your review of the polls and what
Speaker 3: you see the two parties doing and arguing right now,
Speaker 3: do you have a sense of which party stands to
Speaker 3: politically benefit more from this environment in November? Will it
Speaker 3: be the Democrats or the Republicans who get on top
Speaker 3: of this better and make it work for them in individual.
Speaker 9: Races specifically AI and data centers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this is well.
Speaker 3: Look, I mean we're seeing ads like in Ohio and
Speaker 3: we're seeing ads that are all about data centers coming
Speaker 3: on an attack against Houston for instance.
Speaker 9: Right, So, so Republicans Democrats have two advantages. To answer
Speaker 9: your question, who's going to win this? Republicans have two.
Speaker 9: Democrats have two advantages. Number One, the Republican Party, thanks
Speaker 9: to the Trump administration, is the party of big big AI.
Speaker 9: They just a factual matter, they've been more sympathetic to it.
Speaker 9: And number two, uh, many of the Republican candidates in
Speaker 9: the in the most high profile races have a longer
Speaker 9: and more robust history of speaking favorably about Big AI.
Speaker 9: So that's two advantages of the Democrats have. The advantage
Speaker 9: the Republicans have is I believe their cash advantage may
Speaker 9: be over a billion and a half dollars, and most
Speaker 9: of the Democrats who are running on the ballot have
Speaker 9: also been favorable towards AI. Governor Shapiro in Pennsylvania flip
Speaker 9: flop this week from pro AI to Semianti. But there's
Speaker 9: plenty to say about what he said in the past,
Speaker 9: and and and more money to do. More advertising and
Speaker 9: voter contact on that issue will help Republicans. On balance,
Speaker 9: I believe that this will be an issue that works
Speaker 9: if you go to the key races like Ohio Senate,
Speaker 9: if you go to if you go to.
Speaker 7: Texas Senate.
Speaker 9: On balance and the targeted races, Democrats should do better
Speaker 9: on this issue, should be a larger beneficiary. But like
Speaker 9: with most of the things on the midterms, I want
Speaker 9: to see how your friend James Blair spends a billion
Speaker 9: and a half dollars more than the Democrats to try
Speaker 9: to try a different view of which parties in the
Speaker 9: pocket of Big AI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no doubt the Republicans have a cash advantage
Speaker 3: here and deploying that is going to make a huge
Speaker 3: difference in these races. We've got a minute and a
Speaker 3: half here, Mark Befhere we take our next break. I
Speaker 3: want to I want to ask you about the midterms.
Speaker 3: Who which chamber is most likely to change hands? Is
Speaker 3: it the House of the Senate?
Speaker 9: It's the House, It has been the House, and it
Speaker 9: will be the House no matter what happens.
Speaker 7: Between now in November.
Speaker 9: They both could and and and On the current track,
Speaker 9: Democrats could win a surprisingly large number of Senate seats
Speaker 9: could on this current track, But the House is a
Speaker 9: much easier play for the Democrats to win the majority.
Speaker 1: On the Senate side.
Speaker 3: Do you think Texas and Iowa are genuinely competitive or
Speaker 3: is this Democrats again? Sort of you know, looking at
Speaker 3: a mirage off in the distance, wind up investing, only
Speaker 3: to be disappointed at the end.
Speaker 9: I have been the leading person in my profession. How
Speaker 9: long do we have, Scott, I don't.
Speaker 3: Want to have we got to Yeah, I'll give you
Speaker 3: the last one minute here, give me a minute, Okay.
Speaker 9: I have throughout my career been the leading person in
Speaker 9: my business saying Democrats are wasting their time and money
Speaker 9: in Texas. Maybe someday the demographics will be different. So
Speaker 9: that constant posture. I never thought Beato had a chance.
Speaker 9: I never thought any of these folks had a chance.
Speaker 9: That posture gives me the credibility to say on the
Speaker 9: current trajectory. Inexplicably James Tallerica, who said fifteen things would
Speaker 9: normally disqualify a Democrat from being the first Democrat in
Speaker 9: three generation, three decades to win.
Speaker 7: A seat state wide.
Speaker 9: He's the favorite until and unless Paxton demonstrates that it
Speaker 9: will work for this, raise the money for this, that
Speaker 9: someone will put in the money, because he can't go
Speaker 9: in with five million dollars and say you're going to
Speaker 9: save Paxton. If you're going to save Paxton, you got
Speaker 9: to come in with fifty five million plus. So until
Speaker 9: somebody does that, and until he shows he can answer questions,
Speaker 9: until he shows he will work hard.
Speaker 7: Yes, Tallarico is the favorite.
Speaker 9: It's not just that it's a competitive he's the favorite Iowa.
Speaker 9: It's the complicated race. The governor's race makes it hard
Speaker 9: to analyze the center race. But yes, those two races
Speaker 9: are genuinely competitive as of today.
Speaker 3: After the break, we're going to look beyond the November election.
Speaker 3: Mark Halpern is our guest. He maintains one of the
Speaker 3: most closely watched rankings of the potential twenty twenty eight
Speaker 3: presidential candidates. We'll talk to Mark about who is rising
Speaker 3: and who is falling, and who Mark Halpern believes is
Speaker 3: most likely to lead the Democrat and Republican parties in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight. We take a break. It's common Sense
Speaker 3: for the American People. Scott Jennings is on Salem.
Speaker 1: Stay with us, common Sense for the American People.
Speaker 7: The scotch Atty Show.
Speaker 3: Rounding out the week with our friend from two Way
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Speaker 7: Mark.
Speaker 3: You maintain a list of rankings of Democrats most likely
Speaker 3: to win the presidential nomination in twenty twenty eight. You
Speaker 3: update it monthly. Your next update will come in early September.
Speaker 3: For August, you had it this way. Shapiro Newsome, Boodhage, Edge,
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, AOC, Bernie Sanders, John Assoff, and Mark Kelly.
Speaker 3: First question, are we going to see a major shakeup
Speaker 3: when you reorder these folks in September.
Speaker 7: We are.
Speaker 9: I just read a piece for the Free Press of
Speaker 9: at AOC. I'm moving her up. I lay out in
Speaker 9: the piece, which I'll do as part of the rankings,
Speaker 9: just how much stronger I believe she is now than
Speaker 9: she was. Bernie Sanders is probably not going to run.
Speaker 9: I'm the only one who thinks he might, but he
Speaker 9: probably won't because of his age. He'll want someone to
Speaker 9: lead the movement in AOC are good friends. I don't
Speaker 9: believe they'll think Rocanna is up for it. And although
Speaker 9: I think she's reluctant to run, I think she might
Speaker 9: be carried in at the way George Bush described running
Speaker 9: in two thousand as like he was a quark on
Speaker 9: a raging river. I think that metaphor may apply to
Speaker 9: her right now the demand for a progressive candidate, because
Speaker 9: there's nobody else besides her and Bernie and Rocana, I
Speaker 9: think the demand may be so high she runs, and
Speaker 9: if she does, I think your chances for the nomination
Speaker 9: are quite high at this point.
Speaker 3: Do you think the changes to the Democrat National Committee
Speaker 3: primary calendar hurt, help or make no difference to a
Speaker 3: candidate like AOC.
Speaker 9: I think the conventional wisdom is that they hurt because
Speaker 9: South Carolina's first.
Speaker 7: I have a different view. I don't know.
Speaker 9: I think it's too soon to say, because the only
Speaker 9: reason the early states matter is because the press say
Speaker 9: they do. That's the only reason these days will not
Speaker 9: be sync with the Republican days. These days will not
Speaker 9: will be in a lot of states with no political tradition.
Speaker 9: Even South Carolina's political tradition of first the nation is
Speaker 9: not the same as rich as Iowa and New Hampshire.
Speaker 9: So I think if you take any state in the Union, Scott,
Speaker 9: I think the Progressives have twenty percent minimum up to
Speaker 9: forty percent, twenty percent and forty percent in between. That's
Speaker 9: more than enough to win every one or at least
Speaker 9: finish top three. And whereas South Carolina when he used
Speaker 9: to go third or fourth was a problem for more
Speaker 9: liberal candidates because it was kind of the firewall for
Speaker 9: the establishment, going first means AOC doesn't need to win it.
Speaker 7: If it's fourth, she needs to win it.
Speaker 9: So I think the conventional wisdom that the Progressives are
Speaker 9: hurt by South Carolina moving first is one.
Speaker 7: Hundred percent wrong.
Speaker 9: Probably we don't know for sure, but that'd be my
Speaker 9: guess I think she can finish in the top three
Speaker 9: in all first six states and going to Super Tuesday
Speaker 9: with the most delegates.
Speaker 3: Is there a candidate that is currently not on your
Speaker 3: list that you're keeping an eye on that could be
Speaker 3: a little bit of a sleeper and find themselves in
Speaker 3: position sort of to make a late move here to
Speaker 3: get the nomination.
Speaker 9: I don't believe in sleepers. Suggest there's no such thing.
Speaker 9: People say, well, Barack Obama was a sleeper. Barack Obama
Speaker 9: was talked about as a potential president when you went
Speaker 9: to Harvard Law School. People say Donald Trump was a sleeper.
Speaker 9: Donald Trump talked about running for president for twenty five years.
Speaker 9: I just don't believe in sleepers. Now, my list only
Speaker 9: has eight and there have been people who've been on
Speaker 9: it and off it, So there may be somebody who's
Speaker 9: been on it in the past who's not on it
Speaker 9: this month.
Speaker 7: But no, I don't I believe.
Speaker 9: I believe the field is the field because there's at
Speaker 9: least a couple people on this list who aren't going
Speaker 9: to let some outsider come in and just steal the thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I continue to believe that Kamala Harris has more
Speaker 3: strength as a possible nominee than some.
Speaker 1: People give her credit for.
Speaker 7: But she is.
Speaker 3: I see you have her fourth and I think she's
Speaker 3: a stronger possibility than some people think.
Speaker 1: We got about a minute and a half part I
Speaker 1: want to get Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 9: Go ahead, sorry, go ahead, just quickly. Every month she's the
Speaker 9: most controversial. I do reporting with about fifty folks, mostly Democrats,
Speaker 9: some Republicans. Some people every month say she should be
Speaker 9: number one, and some people every month say she shouldn't
Speaker 9: be on the list.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine you get strong opinions. Let's close out.
Speaker 3: We got about a minute I want to do the Republicans.
Speaker 3: Are you one hundred percent convinced that Jade Vance is
Speaker 3: going to run for president?
Speaker 9: No, he just had a kid. You've got you've got
Speaker 9: four kids? Or five kids?
Speaker 1: Four?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Forget how many kids do you get? Four? He's just
Speaker 7: had a fourth kid. Uh, yeah, he does.
Speaker 9: He would you would you start running for president right
Speaker 9: after your first kid was last kid was born. I
Speaker 9: just think it's not a sure thing. I think if
Speaker 9: he does run, I think he's a mortal lock for
Speaker 9: the nomination. With Donald Trump and Marco Rubio's endorsement, and
Speaker 9: I think it's close to mortal lock. You'll pick Rubio's
Speaker 9: his running name, but no, it's not a sure thing
Speaker 9: he's going to run.
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Speaker 3: All right, that's Mark Halpern, American political journalist and political commentator. Mark,
Speaker 3: you were a good guinea pig. That's the first in
Speaker 3: a series of I think we're gonna do this more.
Speaker 3: I think this work. You were You were really good
Speaker 3: with the uh uh with the format today, and I
Speaker 3: think we're gonna try it again. We take a break,
Speaker 3: more news on this radio station after this.
Speaker 1: You got it. Thanks Mark, We'll see you guys on Monday.
Speaker 1: It's Scott. I'm out of here.