1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, cheers. It's Scott Jennings. 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: Friday, December the twelfth. It's common sense for the American people. 3 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: Scott Jennings is here on the Salem Radio Network. As always, 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 2: the Scott Jennings Show is sponsored by Ease Total Health. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: Health insurance is broken and EASE fixes it with no deductibles, 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: no red tape, and real benefits from day one. Visit 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: Ease for Everyone dot com slash Scott. And while I'm 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 2: at it regarding Ease, this health insurance business, you know. 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: It's in the news. 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: It's what they're debating up in Congress right now. 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I was recently invited to the Buckley Institute 29 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: at Yale University to debate a friend of mine named 30 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: Noah Roffman from National Review. And the question is is 31 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's agenda conservative? We debate, you decide right here 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: on the Salem Radio Network. My view is is that 33 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: the Trump agenda and the Trump presidency can be fairly 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: judged as being conservative. That's not to say that he 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: hasn't occasionally done things that most of us wouldn't regard 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 2: as non conservative, but on the whole, it would be 37 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: hard to argue otherwise. In my opinion, We'll begin with 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: a little common sense. For decades, the conservative movement made 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 2: promises that it sometimes did not deliver on judges that 40 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: were faithful to the Constitution, the irregulation, a strong America, 41 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: a humming economy, and end endless wars. A government that 42 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 2: put Americans ahead of globalist theories. And for decades some 43 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: of these theories gathered dust on white. 44 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: Papers at think tanks. 45 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 2: While the left pillaged and took over every institution in America. 46 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: Then Donald Trump showed up, and for all the handwringing 47 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: about his personal style, he actually did the things that 48 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 2: we all said we wanted to do. First, the courts, 49 00:02:52,440 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: Barrett Kavanaugh Corsic the most consequential judicial trio in modern history. 50 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: Their jurisprudence restored the Constitution to the center of American law. 51 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: And yes, that includes the decision that finally overturned Roe v. Wade, 52 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: something we had promised for fifty years but could not 53 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: achieve until the presidency of Donald Trump. Turns out, you 54 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 2: have to put the right people in the right seats 55 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: to get the outcomes that you want. You don't have 56 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 2: to like his social media to acknowledge that he delivered 57 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: on the most important conservative policy victory in a half 58 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: a century. Second, the economy, and I know we'll have 59 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: some debates about economic. 60 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: Theory here tonight. 61 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: In his first term, he in fact unleashed a roaring 62 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 2: economy by cutting taxes, by cutting regulations, by expanding energy production, 63 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: and yes, by standing up to China. These were not 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 2: moderate or centrist positions. They were unapologetically conservative positions, and 65 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: in his second term the tax cuts have been made permanent. 66 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: Before the Pan demic, America had its lowest unemployment in 67 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: fifty years, including historic unemployment lows for African Americans and 68 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: Hispanic workers. Wages were rising, middle class optimism was rising, 69 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 2: and benefits were flowing to broadly middle America, the working 70 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 2: class of America that has more and more lately described 71 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 2: itself as conservative. Third, Foreign policy conservatives have long said 72 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 2: that peace is achieved through strength, not weakness, not apology tours, 73 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: not lectures from foggy bottom. Trump rebuilt and will soon 74 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: re arm a hollowed out military. He has confronted China. 75 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: He defeated the Isis Caliphate. He moved the US embassy 76 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: to Jerusalem. He broke the Abraham Accords and will soon 77 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: see their historic expansion. He kept the United States out 78 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 2: of new quagmires. Some people are currently complaining about the 79 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: Trump doctrine in our hymnis, but I think most Americans 80 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 2: would agree it's conservative to keep deadly drugs out of 81 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: our country. The results speak louder than any words or 82 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: speeches ever could and regarding foreign policy, perhaps the most important. 83 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: Thing that he has done since coming on to the scene. 84 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 2: Whether he intended to or not, or whether he knew 85 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: that he was stepping into this role or not, Donald 86 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: Trump has become the number one conservationist of the future 87 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: of Western civilization. 88 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: Administrative state. 89 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: Conservatives have always warned about Washington's unelected bureaucracy, that it 90 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: is the greatest threat to self government. Trump did not 91 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: just warn about it, He exposed it. He took on 92 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: permanent government institutions and people that have frustrated all of 93 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 2: us for generations. He stripped away federal regulations more than 94 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: any president in history, and he reminded us and made 95 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: it the central part of our argument and operating theory 96 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: that government works for the people, not the other way around. Finally, 97 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: cultural clarity. Part of conservatism, in my opinion, is cultural confidence, 98 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 2: the belief that America is good, that Western civilization is 99 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: worth defending, and that common sense should be a key 100 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: part of our ideology in every decision. The president shattered 101 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: the left's monopoly on elite discourse. His presidency and his 102 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: agenda represent the end of. 103 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: Political pablum, the death of political pablum. Thank God. 104 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: When you're a political consultant like I am, the pablum 105 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: often becomes too much, and the President has absolutely. 106 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: Murdered it to death. 107 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: But he's made it permissible again to speak plainly about borders, 108 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: about crime, about national identity, and about American patriotism and 109 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: a culture that was lurching towards constantly apologizing for America 110 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: and teaching our children that perhaps the American experiment was 111 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: not a great idea for many Americans. He has simply 112 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: restored our confidence in saying what's on our mind or 113 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: what everyone else is already thinking. Now, some people will 114 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: say mega, and the Republicans are currently divided. You have 115 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: supporters that are mad at him about immigration policy, or 116 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: foreign policy or economic policy. 117 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: But big tent conservatism. 118 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: Has always included people who didn't agree on every single thing. 119 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: You had libertarians in there, you had national security hawks 120 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: in there. You had some populists in there, evangelical suburban 121 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: business types. The question isn't whether everyone agrees on every 122 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: single plank. The question is whether the core of the 123 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: agenda broadly represents conservative principles. My argument today is the 124 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: Trump's agenda did the results did the coalition, which is 125 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 2: larger and more working class than any coalition in the 126 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 2: history of the Republican Party, certainly since Reagan proves it. 127 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: So if conservatism. 128 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: Means originalism, constitutionalism, a strong America, secure borders, growing paychecks, deregulation, 129 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: lower taxes, energy abundance, a restrained administrative state, and unapologetic 130 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: Western values. 131 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: In my opinion, this is not even a close call. 132 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: The Trump Agenda and the Trump presidency wasn't just conservative. 133 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: It has been transformational. It has delivered what conservative elites 134 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: had promised for decades yet often had trouble producing. It 135 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: was conservative success through common sense execution that refused to 136 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: be hemmed in by old arrangements. So the resolution is 137 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: not just affirmed, it is embedded in the record, written 138 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: into the judiciary, and felt in the lives of millions 139 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: of Americans. My resolution is yes, the Trump Agenda is conservative. 140 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me here this evening. The Jennings 141 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 2: Rothman debate over Donald Trump continues right after this. 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You've heard him on the show before. 170 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 2: The proposition put before us was, is Donald Trump's agenda conservative? 171 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: I was asked to take the yes, and Noah Roffman 172 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: took the dissenting opinion. 173 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: At the beginning of the show. 174 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: You heard my opening statements, and right now you're gonna 175 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: hear Noah Roffman from the National Review take the other side. 176 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: It's the Rothman Jennings debate at Yale. 177 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: We continue now here on the Scott Jennings Show on 178 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: the Salem Radio Network. 179 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 3: Trump's approach represents a repudiation of the fundamental conservative supposition 180 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 3: that central economic planning does not work. What we now 181 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 3: euphemistically refer to as industrial policy is command economics with 182 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 3: Trumpian characteristics. At its foundation is the Obama like supposition 183 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: that government should be in the business of nudging private 184 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 3: actors into behaving as Washington wants them to. It is 185 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: therefore in surprising that we've seen Trump's subordinates sometimes sound 186 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: like left wing d growthers. 187 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: Access to chief. 188 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: Goods is not the essence of the American dreams, it 189 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: Scott Bessant was his improvisitory reaction to his understanding that 190 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: of the president's policies would truncate America's opportunity and limit 191 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: the disposable income to which they would otherwise have access. 192 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: But in essence this is necessary, they tell themselves, because 193 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: we must impose this hardship on Americans if we were 194 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 3: to realize some centrally planned vision of what the economy 195 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: should look like, how Americans should be spending their time, 196 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 3: even if that time is spent quote screwming in little 197 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 3: screws into iPhones in Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnox words far 198 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: beyond any reasonable compromise with the demands associated with national security. 199 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: The Trump administration has taken stakes in private enterprises like Nvidia, 200 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: which is now forced to fork over a fifteen percent 201 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 3: vig on the profits it derives from the formerly restricted 202 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 3: sale of sensitive electronic components to our Chinese adversaries. It's 203 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 3: done something similar with advanced Microdynamics and intel US Steel 204 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 3: and Lithium America's Corporation. Those of us with living memory 205 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: of the Obama years have little excuse for failing to 206 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 3: call this what we call it at the time, gangster government, 207 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 3: and in sometimes it manifests in prescriptions for more state 208 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 3: control over private affairs. Take, for example, lifelong Democrat and 209 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 3: Trump's Health and Human Services Secretary RFK Junior. If RFK 210 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 3: had his way, Americans would be constrained for their own goods. 211 00:12:57,160 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 3: They would encounter far less artificial food coloring, following the 212 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 3: example of bastions of liberty like the European Union in California, 213 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: Americans would be spared access to fluoridated water and fluoride 214 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 3: supplements in over the counter pharmacies. They would also have 215 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 3: less sugar, but only if they're poor. Arming Americans with 216 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 3: knowledge about what they're consuming is not enough. Without the 217 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: mandatory guidance of an enlightened bureaucrat, the public will devour 218 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: antidepressants by the fistful and subsist on a diet of 219 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: empty carbs. How condescending, how paranoid. Indeed, elsewhere in the 220 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 3: realm of foreign policy, we've seen the President adopt some 221 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 3: of the blinkered conceits that were native to Barack Obama, 222 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: a president who wanted to see America occupy a much 223 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 3: smaller place in the world. Trump himself may not regard 224 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 3: America as a spent force that should retreat into its 225 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: own hemisphere, but some of his subordinates do. Fundamentally, we 226 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: lack the capacity to manufacture the amount of weapons Ukraine 227 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: needs us to supply. 228 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 2: JD. 229 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 3: Advance wrote last year in an ope explaining why the 230 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: United States should voluntarily seed to Moscow, a sphere of 231 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: influence in Europe it could not otherwise secure for itself. 232 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 3: The Conservative has long argued that America's partners should take 233 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: on a larger role in their own defense, but only 234 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: to be active stewards of the American national interest as 235 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 3: defined by the American President. Republicans especially should understand that 236 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 3: if we merely lead from behind, Europe will not stand 237 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 3: up to our shared adversaries. But the President's attitude of 238 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 3: Scott said are changing. In his speech before the Knesset, 239 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: the President praised his own willingness to neutralizer RAN's nuclear 240 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: program and let our Israeli allies loose in ways that 241 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: offend the peace processors, the multilateralists, the self defined restrainers. 242 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: Trump hailed his own abilities to open up new diplomatic 243 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 3: avenues through the application of force, and who was right 244 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: to do so, even if his successes speak for themselves. 245 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: And that's the dirty secret of Trump's first term that 246 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 3: the biggest and most lasting policy successes were outgrowths of 247 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 3: conventional conservative policy prescriptions. Armed with gigantic chips on their shoulders. 248 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: Functionaries within the second Trump administration seem to have set 249 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 3: out with the goal of repudiating the first. It's no surprised, 250 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 3: then that some of these policies have a distinctly right 251 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: left wing flavor. I'm pleased by the president's political evolution, 252 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 3: and I hope it continues to pace, but hope it's 253 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 3: not a strategy. We are obliged to give voice to 254 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: our pangs of conscious even at the risk of our 255 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: own political position, because there is no political position worth 256 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: occupying if it compels us to sacrifice our principles upon 257 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: the altar of political relevance. 258 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: Thank you. 259 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: That voice you're hearing Noah Roffman from National Review. He 260 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: was my debating opponent. We were invited to Yale University 261 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 2: recently by the Buckley Institute to answer the question is 262 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's agenda considered conservative? In the opening of the show, 263 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 2: you heard me argue for yes, you heard noa Rothman's rebuttal. 264 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: When we come back, the questions and answers will begin. 265 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: We'll tackle a lot of topics. It's a really interesting debate, 266 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: and I did it with a good friend, and I'm 267 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: happy to present it to you today. It's common sense 268 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: for the American people. The Roffman Jennings debate at Yale 269 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 2: continues after. 270 00:15:52,800 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: This on the Salem Radio Network. Welcome back to the 271 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: Stout Jenning Show here on the Salem Radio Network. 272 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 2: It is Friday, December the twelfth, and you're listening to 273 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 2: a special edition of the show. The Rothman Jennings debate 274 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 2: at Yale over the Trump Agenda will continue that in 275 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: just a moment. 276 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: But I did want to say to you once again. 277 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: Christmas is coming and we are in the middle of 278 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: our Angel Tree Christmas campaign. I want to thank everyone 279 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: who's already joined. We've had hundreds of people joining this week. 280 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: I did it myself. I would never ask you to 281 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 2: do something that I wouldn't do. I made a personal 282 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: donation to the Angel Tree campaign because I believe in 283 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: helping these children. These little kids, they have a mom 284 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: or a dad in prison. You can bring the joy 285 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 2: of Christmas to these kids. You know they have a. 286 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: Lot of uncertainty in their lives. 287 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: You can brighten their lives this Christmas by donating thirty dollars. 288 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 2: I want you to listen to one of the kids, Joseph. 289 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: He was blessed by donations from people just like you. 290 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 4: I will right to my dad about what happened. 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If you'd rather, you could call them up 301 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: eight eight eight two o six two seven nine three 302 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: Scott jenningshow dot com. That's a good way to do 303 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 2: it or call eight eight eight two O six two 304 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: seven nine three. Help these little ones, little kids, their 305 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: mom or and dad are in prison. It's Christmas time. 306 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: You have big hearts. Let's help him out, and let's 307 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: get back to the debate. Rothman v. Jennings here on 308 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: the Salem Radio Network. Well, I don't disagree with my 309 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 2: sporring partner here that the president has had some dalliance 310 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: is that we would all agree wouldn't be traditionally conservative. 311 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 2: That's absolutely true, and I don't think he would dispute 312 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: that either. I actually interviewed the President recently and I 313 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 2: asked him, does he consider himself to be more of 314 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: a conservative or if he leans more heavily into the 315 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 2: branding that he's applied to his party, which is common sense. 316 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: And he said, well, I'm most of the time conservative, 317 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 2: is common sense, and so he thinks of his he 318 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: thinks of his decision making as conservative. But you can tell, 319 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: he said, most of the time, and so he's not 320 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 2: necessarily hemmed in by the idea that he must operate 321 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: within an ideological framework outside of what he's laid out 322 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: broadly as his theory, which is simply I'm just going 323 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: to do what's common sense and what's in the best 324 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 2: interest of America, I think judging these presidents, and I 325 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 2: worked for one who I think we would all agree 326 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: was broadly conservative, George W. 327 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: Bush. 328 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: He had his dalliances with non conservative ideas as well 329 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: on numerous occasions and things I certainly am chagrinned about 330 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 2: to this day and Paign financier form. And so I think, 331 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: I guess, I guess some of the questions we have 332 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: to answer when we debate these matters is how much 333 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 2: ideological purity do you expect out of your Republican presidents? 334 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 2: And how much latitude are you willing to give them 335 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 2: for tactical movements that are politically required in the moment 336 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: or that match the coalition that they've built. And I'll 337 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 2: just end with this Noah, which is that the president 338 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: has built a coalition that is extraordinarily strange. 339 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: It's large, but it's strange. 340 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: We now exist in a political party that contains RFK Junior, 341 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 2: Mitch McConnell, Rand, Paul Jilli and Michaels and Donald Trump. 342 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 2: It's a strange coalition and often tactically operating within a 343 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 2: broad coalition like that, as most successful presidents do means 344 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: you occasionally wind up doing things that will be considered 345 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 2: ideologically impure but tactically sound in the moment. 346 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the point I attempted to make in the speech, 347 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 3: is that there's tactical accommodations that must been made with 348 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: political realities. We should say at the outset that it 349 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 3: is in apples and orange is comparison. If we're talking 350 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 3: about the Republican Party's electoral coalition and the ideological coalition 351 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: of the conservative movement, these are just two completely distinct things. 352 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 3: But yes, I'm curious if you think that the president 353 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: has undergone some sort of a political evolution there, because 354 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: in his first term he would describe himself as a pragmatist, 355 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: and he faced to call a lot of criticism from 356 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 3: doctrine their conservatives, and he would say, you know, this 357 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 3: is not the Conservative party, this is the Republican Party. 358 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 3: I'm running as a Republican, I'm not running as a conservative. Presumably, 359 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: my assessment there is that he was frustrated with his 360 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 3: critics and was attempting to put his critics in their place, 361 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 3: not necessarily to make an ideological statement, but the departures 362 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 3: from conservative ideological prescriptions in policy seem to me to 363 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: be motivated by pragmatism. And you can make the argument 364 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: though it's not a dispensation the magotypes would ever give 365 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan, and Ronald Reagan had to work with a 366 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 3: Democratic Congress. Oh, the apostasy is unforgivable for some reason. 367 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: Donald Trump gets special dispensation. But it's rarely in my 368 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: view that he's navigating thorny political landscapes when he does that, 369 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 3: that he's seeking the path of least resistance at times 370 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 3: when he doesn't necessarily have to, when he could mount 371 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 3: a fight if he were so inclined, but chooses not to. 372 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: Oh, well, I think he is a he is an 373 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 2: in the moment counterpuncher. You know, my observations of him 374 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: have changed somewhat this year, to be candid, because I've 375 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 2: spent some time with him. I have a book coming 376 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: out Tuesday, and it calls me to spend some time. 377 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: With him in ugget. Yeah. 378 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called a revolution of common sense and no one. 379 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: I will now pause for you to pull out your 380 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: phones and order it. No, really, we will not continue, 381 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: and we. 382 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 3: Will not resume until you do so. 383 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 2: But he he's a counterpuncher, and I think that is 384 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: applied both to policy and politics and in the moment media. 385 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: And political relations. 386 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 2: You know, he reacts to things in the moment, and 387 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: things are always in motion with That's the one thing 388 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: I really learned about him this year is that things 389 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: are constantly in motion, sometimes put in motion by other actors, 390 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: sometimes put in motion by him, or sometimes both. But 391 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: because things are constantly in motion, he's prone to constantly 392 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: being willing to change his direction to zig when they 393 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: think he's going to zag, or to return. 394 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: To a topic that people had thought had been put 395 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: to bed. 396 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: And so, you know, strictly speaking, you know, if you 397 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 2: were a conservative and you were operating from a purely 398 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 2: ideological perspective, you would sort of set course. 399 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: And let it ride. That's not his That's just not 400 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: his theory at all. 401 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 2: He is constantly willing to make adjustments or trim the sales, 402 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 2: or move in a different direction if he think in 403 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: the moment it's tactically or politically beneficial. And I don't 404 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 2: actually think he thinks that much about well, if I 405 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: do that movement, is it going to be. 406 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: Considered a betrayal of conservatism? 407 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: What he is thinking is, if I don't make this moment, 408 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 2: I am not going to win this particular exchange. 409 00:22:59,720 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: Now. 410 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: Obviously, the area where he I think most obviously departs 411 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: from the movement is on the tariff issue, which you raised. 412 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 2: And having spent some time with him and we've all 413 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 2: listened to his public statements, he is never, ever, ever, ever, 414 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 2: ever going to change his mind about this, And if 415 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: and when and if and when the Supreme Court, which 416 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: sounds like a strong possibility, chucks this out, he is 417 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,959 Speaker 2: going to be apoplectic and he won't be thinking too 418 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: much about conservatism or progressivism. 419 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: He'll just be. 420 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: Thinking that, in his opinion, the number one tool of 421 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: the presidency is the power to tariff. And it's not 422 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 2: just an economic tool, it's a national security tool and 423 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: a diplomatic tool. But on that he firmly does not 424 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 2: subscribe to the ideological constructs. 425 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,439 Speaker 3: Well, listen, I don't think it takes much for us 426 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: to forecast what his reaction would be, and I'm actually 427 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: very trepidacious about it. When the court goes against him 428 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: as it did on this tariff, signaling how they're going 429 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 3: to rule next term, He called Leonard Leo a sleezbag, 430 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 3: who probably hates America. That's a federalist society. These are 431 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 3: this is the bench that we're all grateful for. And yes, 432 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 3: when they delivered dobbs that were profoundly, deeply grateful for 433 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 3: this president and how he's shaped the court. But then 434 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: when they say, Okay, you can't actually change the EPA 435 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 3: like you want to, because that's Congress's domain. Not a 436 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 3: policy I like, but certainly the congressional supremacy. I like 437 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 3: when they say, you know, they shut down the tariffs, 438 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 3: when they say that you're actually not at war with 439 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 3: Venezuela as much as you're kind of trying to create 440 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 3: this political fiction. The courts are deaf to it. That's 441 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 3: a conservative jurisprudence. And when the president, as I anticipate 442 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 3: he will, goes after his own justices, goes after the 443 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 3: legitimacy of the Supreme Court, which is already suffering merely 444 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 3: to prop up his own political position, he's doing what 445 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: you said he does, which is win an argument in 446 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: the moment, heedless of how that the fallout will settle 447 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 3: around the American Republic eventually. And that's not conservative. 448 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: I'll I'll just quibble with one point about the legitimacy 449 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 2: of the Supreme Court. I think the legitimacy of the 450 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: Supreme Court is suffering not because of anything a conservative 451 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: or Donald Trump or any Republican has done. I think 452 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 2: it's suffering because the American Left is dedicated to destroying 453 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: its legitimacy and its political arguments every single day. Now, 454 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: if he adds to that, if he gets a ruling 455 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 2: on this that he doesn't like, that would be unfortunate. 456 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: But I think the legitimacy crisis in the courts is 457 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: almost entirely confined to the arguments made by the left 458 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: and what they intend to do to the court if 459 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 2: they ever regain power. But I can just attest that 460 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 2: he will be apoplectic, and I don't know exactly what 461 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 2: he'll say or what he'll do, but it won't be 462 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: attached to any fruit basket. I can assure, Scott, you 463 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: seem to be making the case that tariffs are both 464 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 2: a tool of economic policy as well as national security. 465 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: I'd like to hear a little bit more on the 466 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 2: national security aside from you. He believes that the tool 467 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: is not merely for economic purposes. He believes the power 468 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 2: to tariff is a tool of diplomacy and a tool 469 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: of national security. And furthermore, he believes that this power 470 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 2: has led him to be able to solve half of 471 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 2: the conflicts that he has solved around the world. And so, 472 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 2: in his opinion, this tool is much broader than just 473 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 2: having a debate about your ideological views on the American economy. 474 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 2: I personally think, in his heart of hearts, if given 475 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 2: his brothers, we would go back to a world where 476 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 2: only tariffs were driving federal revenue. There was no income tax, 477 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: there was no irs. It would simply be a tariff 478 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: based economy, and we take out all of the federal 479 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 2: bureaucracy around personal taxation. And he might argue that actually 480 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: is a conservative view, that we would take taxes away 481 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: from the people, But that is his worldview, and it 482 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: obviously is a deviation from what we have operated on 483 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: for a very long time. 484 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: But the notion that we could retreat to a nineteenth 485 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: century conception of what the federal government looks like, I'd 486 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 3: be happy with the size of that federal government. It 487 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 3: would not be happy with the abdication of the responsibilities 488 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 3: that would necessarily accompany that truncation of the federal government 489 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 3: so that it could live on be you know, small 490 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 3: enough to drown in a bathtub, you know, just completely 491 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: underfunded at that point. And again, maybe that would work. 492 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 3: But let's just retreat to the national security rationale around tariffs, 493 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 3: which has been in my view, abused to the point 494 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: at which because there is a national security rationale for tariffs, 495 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: although it should be very sparing because any trade war, 496 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: trade war is not a metaphor. War is the last 497 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 3: resort when it comes to policy, because you are inviting 498 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 3: damage that you're willing to absorb to a certain point 499 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: in order to affect an outcome from an adversary. Trade 500 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 3: war is like in any of the war in that sense, 501 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 3: you're inviting damage and that you're willing to shoulder in 502 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 3: order to change and shape the international environment. But these 503 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: are not national security tariffs. They're designed and in their 504 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 3: more honest moments, Trump administration's functionaries will say as much subordinates, 505 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 3: appointees and other officials within the Trump administration that it 506 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 3: is designed to reshape the economy in ways that are 507 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 3: desired to the Trump administration. 508 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: That voice you're hearing there, Noah Roffman from the National 509 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: Review and you've been listening to this special debate Rothman 510 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: versus Jennings, debating the idea is Donald Trump's agenda conservative? 511 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: I said yes, Rothman said no, and that that exchange 512 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: right there was really good in the hall that night 513 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: at Yale. People were absolutely loving it, which is why 514 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: I'm bringing it to you today on the show. We're 515 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 2: gonna have closing arguments when we come back, Rothman v. 516 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 2: Jennings over Trump and conservatism. It's been an honor to 517 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: bring this to you, and we draw it to a 518 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 2: close when we come back. It's common sense for the 519 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 2: American people. Thank you so much for listening. This is 520 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 2: Scott Jennings on the Salem Radio Network and best Shine, God, 521 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: best Shine. 522 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: It's a very definition. I've never backed down here, Scott Jennings. 523 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: Okay, we're wrapping up here on Friday, December the twelfth 524 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 2: at Scott Jennings on the Salem Radio Network. 525 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: It's a special edition of the show. 526 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: I'm presenting to you today this debate that I had 527 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: with Noah Roffman from National Review. We were invited to 528 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 2: Yale University by the Buckley Institute, and I have to 529 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: say thank you to RJ. Haiks who's the director of programs, 530 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 2: Moe Graviot, who's part of the team there, and also 531 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 2: the moderator. You've heard his voice, Owen Tillman. It was 532 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: a great team at the Buckley Institute. We had a 533 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: great crowd that night. They were really into the debate, 534 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: and I just I told Noah that night, this is 535 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: going to be amazing. I got to put this on 536 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: the radio because we've had such an interesting exchange. The question, 537 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: of course, was is Donald Trump's agenda conservative? And they 538 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: asked me to take the yes, and Noah took the no, 539 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 2: and it was you know, I respect Noah, and of 540 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 2: course I read them all the time. 541 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: So it was an honor to be there with him. 542 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 2: And I'm really glad to present the closing arguments to 543 00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 2: you Rothman v. Jennings the Yale Buckley Institute debate. It 544 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: wraps now here on the Scott Jennings Show on the 545 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: Salem Radio Network. 546 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 5: Thank you all for your time and your moderation tonight. 547 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 5: I wanted to ask one of the core tenants, at 548 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 5: least for me, about conservatism is the kind of moral 549 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 5: teachings and the transcendent truths, and these seemed broadly missing 550 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 5: from the Trump administration. So I wanted to get you 551 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 5: guys's opinion on how exactly the moral standing of the 552 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 5: Trump administration has been and in fact, if it is 553 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 5: possible for a political leader such as Trump to have 554 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 5: any kind of moral conservatism. 555 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's a very broad question. And I 556 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: recall back in the first term and being asked about 557 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: the relative morals of Donald Trump, and someone asked me 558 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: to write a piece about why evangelical Christians and people 559 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: for whom morals means a lot, why do they love 560 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: Donald Trump so much? And my answer at the time was, 561 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: we didn't hire him to sing soprano in the choir. 562 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: We hired him to guard the church door. And the 563 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: barbarians are at the gates, and in some places they're. 564 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: Inside the gates. 565 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: And so I think that it is possible for someone 566 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 2: who to run an administration who doesn't necessarily have the 567 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: pedigree that you're alluding to in his own personal life, 568 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: but to absolutely take actions that. 569 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: Guard those that do and that guard the values of 570 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: those that do. 571 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: And again, just as a political operative, I'm constantly looking 572 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: at his actions in a dynamic setting where what is 573 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 2: the alternative here? And if you look at the cultural 574 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 2: implications of his campaigns and his administration, the pushing back 575 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 2: of the transgender cult, the pushing back against DEI, the 576 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 2: pushing back against paper straws, all of the things, all 577 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: of the things that we would regard as cultural nonsense 578 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: at best and extraordinarily corrosive at worst. He has been 579 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: willing to have these fights every single time. And he 580 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: has made it safe again for people who have values 581 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: and have morals and engage. 582 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: In faith to pop their head up and speak their mind. 583 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: When we were living in a world when every single 584 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: person in this country felt like we had a wet 585 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 2: blanket of this crap on top of us, he made 586 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 2: it safe for government to do it. And he's made 587 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: it safe for corporate America to shed all the garbage 588 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 2: in which they were forced to engage. Some of them have, 589 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: some of them haven't. But I would just argue for them, 590 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 2: it's fine to open the window and come out into 591 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 2: the sunlight. And so I don't expect the president, and 592 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 2: I don't expect Donald Trump to be a pastor. I 593 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 2: don't expect him to give me counseling on morals. I 594 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,239 Speaker 2: don't expect him to do anything other than make it 595 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 2: safe for people who want to live their lives by 596 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: those tenants to do so. And there is no possible 597 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: argument that he hasn't done that better than the alternative, 598 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 2: and maybe better than anybody's done it in the last 599 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: thirty years. 600 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 3: I'm not a political operative. I'm an uncompromising ideological zealot, 601 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 3: and I just I do not see the mutual exclusivity 602 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 3: of compre effective, executive and moral person and somebody who 603 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 3: doesn't treat individuals like instruments and tools to be used 604 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 3: or discarded, who has some sense of the transcendent, and 605 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: who doesn't behave like a boor and allout in public. 606 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 3: I don't think it's too much to ask. 607 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: And so concludes the epic Rothman v. Jennings Buckley Institute debate. 608 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: It was an honor to go to Yale University, and 609 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 2: I also want to thank from Yale and the Buckley team, 610 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 2: Lauren Noble, the founder and executive director of the Buckley Institute, 611 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: the whole team. There couldn't have been better, well organized 612 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: event and a great crowd, and I look forward to 613 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: getting back up to Yale sometime in the near future. 614 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: And thanks to Noah Rothman my friend. 615 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 2: We had a spirited exchange, and I'm sure we're going 616 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 2: to see Noah back on the show. 617 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: We had him on the other day. 618 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 2: He's got a great book coming out about left wing 619 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: violence in America that I highly encourage you to pick up. 620 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: All For today, I'm traveling in Michigan. The Revolution of 621 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 2: Common Sense book tour continues. I've been on the road 622 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 2: all week. The world Travels of Scott Jennings continues. I'm 623 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: meeting folks on the road. We're doing radio, we're selling books, 624 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 2: and we're saving Western civilization. See them Monday. It's Scott 625 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 2: Jennings here on the Salem Radio Network, fighting. 626 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: For free speech and Western civilization. 627 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 2: This is the Scott Jenna Show.