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Speaker 1: Life Audio.

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Speaker 2: Hi there, and welcome to the Praying Christian Women Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Catherine Seegers, We're just really excited to be able to

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Speaker 2: have you on our show.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here and welcome to you,

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Speaker 1: Jamie Hampton to Christian Parent Crazy World. We're very excited

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Speaker 1: to have you here. It's so good to get to

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Speaker 1: know you were going to tell each other's listeners a

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Speaker 1: little bit about ourselves, because our listeners know a little

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Speaker 1: bit about us, but your listeners don't know about me,

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Speaker 1: and my listeners don't know about you. So why don't

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Speaker 1: you start tell us a little bit about Jamie Hampton

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Speaker 1: and your family and your podcast.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm Jamie Hampton.

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Speaker 2: I am a wife and mom of three kids. So

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Speaker 2: we have a nineteen year old who's away at college.

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Speaker 2: We have a fifteen year old or fourteen, almost fifteen

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Speaker 2: who's in ninth grade, and then an eleven year old daughter.

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Speaker 2: The others are boys who's going into sixth grade. So

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Speaker 2: we live in Utah. We recently relocated from Alaska, so

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Speaker 2: it was a big change of location and culture shock

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Speaker 2: and you know, climate change and everything else. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: we've been here for about a year and it's been

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Speaker 2: going really well. And our podcast is the Praying Christian

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Speaker 2: Women Podcast. My co host is Alana Terry. Alana and

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Speaker 2: I were longtime friends and prayer partners before and that's

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Speaker 2: kind of how Praying Christian Women was born out of

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Speaker 2: our own conversations about prayer, our questions and basically it's

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Speaker 2: just an extension of our talks and discussions over coffee

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Speaker 2: that we would have as friends, and we just kind

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Speaker 2: of morphed that into a podcast.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I think that is awesome. And so

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Speaker 1: my name is Katherine Seekers. I am host of Christian

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Speaker 1: Parent Crazy World. I have five kids, ages twenty seventeen, fifteen, ten,

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Speaker 1: soon to be eleven, and we also have an eight

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Speaker 1: year old. And so we had a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a conversation about this because your new Life Audio casters now,

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Speaker 1: aren't you. You've become part of the Life Audio family recently,

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Speaker 1: which I have been a part of for a time. Right,

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Speaker 1: So it's been what a couple.

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Speaker 2: Months, Yeah, it's been several months, not too long.

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Speaker 1: Welcome being grafted into the family. I told you before

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Speaker 1: I was, I guess an original kitty or because I

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Speaker 1: was created in house. Our show was created in Life audio.

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Speaker 1: I was a writer over at Crosswalk I Believe, Bible,

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Speaker 1: City Tools and Christian Headlines, and they were looking for

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Speaker 1: some people to start podcasts and they came to me

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Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, I would love to do that,

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Speaker 1: and so that's how my show kind of got started.

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Speaker 1: We deal with tough theological, apologetic issues, cultural issues, lots

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Speaker 1: of cultural issues on my show, as well as relational topics,

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Speaker 1: and so this one kind of leans into both of

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Speaker 1: our shows a lot. Of course, your show is all

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Speaker 1: about prayer and my show deals with theological topics and

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Speaker 1: relational topics, and so that you know, from time to

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Speaker 1: time we dip into those kind of issues. So we

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Speaker 1: were introduced a few months ago and I proposed the

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Speaker 1: idea of talking about Watchman Need's book let Us Pray Right.

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Speaker 3: I had never read, and I am I'm blown away.

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Speaker 3: It's amazing. I can't wait to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so excited. So you take a lead there.

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Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on the book?

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Speaker 2: Oh, first of all, it was basic truths that I

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Speaker 2: pretty much knew. But then there were other things about

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Speaker 2: the relationship between us and God and I've always known

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Speaker 2: that we have a partnership. But the way that Watchman

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Speaker 2: May explains that partnership, the understanding of it.

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Speaker 3: It infuses our.

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Speaker 2: Prayers and for me just stokes the fires of my

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Speaker 2: desire to pray in a way that really gives more

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Speaker 2: And I think it unlocks doors with that mystery of

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Speaker 2: how faith is a part of our prayers that I

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Speaker 2: I'm being a little cryptic because I want to go

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Speaker 2: into the nuts and bolts before we do that, though,

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Speaker 2: I would love for you to give us a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a background on who this man was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Watchman Nie was a Chinese church leader. He

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Speaker 1: But he had some powerful encounters with God and learned

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Speaker 1: So he went to the Lord and he prayed, he interceded.

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Speaker 1: So that's a lot of what his book is about.

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Speaker 1: There's different kinds of prayer. Prayer is just communication really

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Speaker 1: But the kind of prayer we're talking about in this

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Speaker 1: God spoke to him very clearly, and he said, should

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Speaker 1: through that God taught me that sometimes he removes the rocks,

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Speaker 1: and that's what he did with the tuberculosis. He removed

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Speaker 1: the grace to us to rise above the rocks. The

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Speaker 1: that's a little bit about the man who wrote this book.

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Speaker 1: It's called Let Us Pray. It's like eighty seven pages long,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't stop often enough to write down or

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Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, the Bible says, if you remain in

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Speaker 2: in accordance with the will of God, it will be

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Speaker 2: done for you and by my Father in Heaven. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the question isn't whether prayer is a thing that we do,

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Speaker 2: but it's there's this mystery of how do I know

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Speaker 2: about these things? So I don't know, do you want

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Speaker 2: And did this understanding change your thoughts on prayer?

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Speaker 3: So what about you?

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Speaker 2: Did it change your thoughts on prayer when you first

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Speaker 1: Is I'm trying to recall exactly when I came to

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Speaker 1: but he emphasizes it so much that there's essentially he says,

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Speaker 1: there's two kinds of prayer. There's prayer according to our will,

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Speaker 1: And sometimes, hopefully more often than not, those would coincide, right,

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Speaker 1: And sometimes it's just obvious if we're praying for a

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Speaker 1: lost person to be saved. Well. Second, Peter three nine

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Speaker 1: tells us that it's not God's will that any should perish,

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Speaker 1: but that all should come to repentance. So now we've

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Speaker 1: which I am not. But the Calvinist spent would say,

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Speaker 1: If they're ailing in their body, I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: here's what it comes to, comes through listening, not just

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Speaker 1: going on to my time with the Lord with my

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Speaker 1: know And hopefully that's not what our parer life looks like.

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Speaker 1: But it comes through that intimate time with the Lord

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Speaker 1: challenging us. Let me give this example when I've shared

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Speaker 1: can remember younger in my. FAITH i read a Book

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Speaker 1: we can pray that forth in. Confidence and as we

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Speaker 1: stripes we're healed. Now it's always discouraging when you pray

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Speaker 1: about you, know transactional, prayer you, know looking at your

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Speaker 1: and he will do that if left, unchallenged our prayers

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Speaker 1: PREVAILING i do believe. THAT i believe that that's what

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Speaker 1: my prayers really? Matter do they really accomplish? Anything If

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Speaker 1: knowing he's, omniscient he's, omnipresent he's, omnipotent then what does

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Speaker 1: he need me? For why does he need me to?

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Speaker 1: he's going to do what he wants to do, anyways

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Speaker 1: then why SHOULD i even? Participate? Why why does it?

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Speaker 1: think that is shown throughout scripture that, yes, Sovereignly god

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Speaker 1: example he gave The israelites The Promised. Land he, said

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Speaker 1: Right but what happened with The israelites that came out Of.

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Speaker 1: faith With joshua And caleb's reports about what was in

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Speaker 1: The Promised. Land they came back, saying it's flowing with

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Speaker 1: they sided with. That So god was going to give

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00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 1: the nation Of israel The Promised, land but those individuals

431
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 1: didn't get to go in because they didn't. Believe for forty,

432
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 1: years they had to wander around and they had to

433
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: die off in the. Desert so, Sovereignly god was going

434
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: to do What god was going to. Do but we

435
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: get to choose whether or not we are going to

436
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: participate in. It and is his will going to be

437
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 1: accomplished in my life and in your? Life and that's

438
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 1: somewhere we would potentially argue, Theologically, okay Is god's will always? Accomplished?

439
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: Well Second peter three nine says that it's not his

440
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 1: will that any should, perish but all should come to.

441
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: Repentance do some, perish, well we know that some do,

442
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: perish SO i can choose not to cooperate With. God

443
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: but IF i choose to cooperate With, god and he's

444
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: looking for people to partner with him in, prayer then

445
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: it is true that some things may go undone not his,

446
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: overarching sovereign will for all of. Humanity BUT i believe

447
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: his will for my. LIFE i did not have to

448
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 1: say yes to Having segars number, four and by the,

449
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: way that turned into A segars number five, too because

450
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: he revealed to us he had one more child After

451
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: seekers number. Four if he didn't stop, There i'm, like

452
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: he only told me the one at, First Thank. Goodness

453
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: BUT i could have said, no AND i still would

454
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: be a. Believer i'm still going to. Heaven it doesn't

455
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: mean that the rest of my life is forfeit BECAUSE

456
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 1: i Disobey god OR i didn't get on board with

457
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: his plan and his will for my. Life BUT i

458
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: would not have two of my kids in my. Life

459
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 1: he didn't supersede my. WILL i didn't accidentally get. PREGNANT

460
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: i cooperated With, god and so did my. Husband he

461
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: had a big part to, play but we cooperated With

462
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: god in order to see his will come about in our. Family,

463
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: now it's not his will that kids wander away from the,

464
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: faith that people are addicted to drugs and. Pornography this

465
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: is not his, will and yet it happens all the

466
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: time because we do have a free, will so we

467
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: can cooperate With god or. Not and prayer is one

468
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: of the primary. Ways we're leaving the physical realm and

469
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: going to the spiritual realm when we, pray and we're

470
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: helping to Enact his will here on earth as it

471
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: is an. Heaven it says that In lord's prayer, right

472
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: it Says Thy Kingdom, Come thy will be done on

473
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: earth as it is in. Heaven so he has a

474
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: will in. Heaven what we do is we get close to,

475
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: him we ascertain what that, is and when we understand

476
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: what it, is we speak it. Forth and let me

477
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: tell you this MAY i don't know if it'll depending

478
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: on where you are, theologically may ruffle some. Feathers but

479
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: WHEN i understood that it Was god's will for us

480
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 1: to have a fourth, child and he called this child

481
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: to be a, SON i began to pray very authoritative,

482
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: prayers LIKE i on my, KNEES i would be like

483
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 1: in the name Of, JESUS i command my body to

484
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: come in alignment with the will of my Heavenly father

485
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 1: and produce a. Son and then we actually had a

486
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: lot of scriptures we got, together especially for a fifth.

487
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: Child that was another big journey because we had a

488
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 1: miscarriage in. BETWEEN i wasn't really praying, emphatically but we

489
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: came to a place WHERE i had a miscarriage at

490
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: forty four and Then, GOD i got really. Mobilized at this,

491
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 1: Point i'm, Like, Okay, GOD i believe you promised us

492
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: this fifth, child and so we. Assembled that's one of

493
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: the THINGS i would recommend people to. Do when you've

494
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: got something you're really praying. For your weapon is the

495
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: word Of. God get the word Of god and pray

496
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: the word Of god over that. Situation pray the word

497
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: Of god over that lost. Child pray the word Of

498
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: god over that. Ailment pray the word Of god over

499
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: your womb if you're looking To i've actually got a

500
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: list of scriptures that we used to, pray and we

501
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: conceive that, child AND i have that child at the

502
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: age of forty. Five it was a bit of a bumpy.

503
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: Ride it was, interesting BUT i had doctors coming in my,

504
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: room saying, like did you do fertility treatments and? Stuff

505
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: And i'm, like. NOPE i prayed the word Of god

506
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i knew that this was his will for our,

507
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: family and SO i prayed very authoritatively with. That BUT

508
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: i will tell You secars four and Five weston And

509
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: Evangeline segars would not be here IF i had not

510
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: cooperated With, god and also in prayer prayed these things.

511
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: FORTH i believe and that's what we do in our

512
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: prayer walk With god when we come to understand what

513
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: his will.

514
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: Is, wow what a great.

515
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: Example so in it was twenty Fifteen Thanksgiving, day we

516
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: had a miscarriage On Thanksgiving. Day the child that we

517
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: miscarried was very early, on but we named Her, hope

518
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: AND i just kind of got, this oh, no you

519
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: didn't kind of attitude with the. Enemy i'm, like you

520
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: just stole this from. ME i know that The lord

521
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: had promised us this, child and up until this, POINT

522
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: i kind of Honestly i'd Given god an. ULTIMATUM i,

523
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: SAID i don't want to be forty five and, pregnant

524
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: so if we're gonna have this fifth, child let's do it.

525
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: Fast and so that window came and went And i'm, like,

526
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: OH i must have missed Heard.

527
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: GOD i was.

528
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: WRONG i wasn't. Wrong don't Give god an. Ultimatum he

529
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: laughs with, Those He's. God so we ended up getting,

530
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: pregnant and we had a miscarriage On Thanksgiving, day and

531
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: THEN i just mobilized something in. ME i felt The

532
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: lord speak so clearly to. Me he, said, YES i

533
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: have promised you this, child but she won't be like the.

534
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: Others you'll have to fight. FOR i, said, okay how

535
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: DO i? Fight you, said get your weapons? Together AND

536
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: i GOT i don't. Know it was like five six

537
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: seven pages of scripture, together just about how the fruit

538
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't wither before it's time and How god would you

539
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: know none shell me carry or be bearing in your.

540
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: Land that's out of The book Of, exodus and just

541
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of. SCRIPTURES i got together and we started

542
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: praying them over my, body like every single. Day and

543
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: let me tell, you we were serious about, this because you,

544
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: Know i'm pretty old at this, point and we prayed

545
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: like twenty to thirty minutes every. Day my husband AND

546
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: i would just pray The word Of god over my.

547
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: Body we did this for like six, months and at this. Point,

548
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: i'm you, KNOW i forty five And i'm, Like, lord

549
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: And i'm not even going to be forty. Five i'm pregnant.

550
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: Now i'm going to be forty six if this didn't happen.

551
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: Soon and you, know it's pretty. Discouraged i'm not going

552
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: to tell you. That every DAY i woke up, like,

553
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: well this is going to. HAPPEN i. WASN'T i was.

554
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: DISCOURAGED i got, frustrated and SO i went to The

555
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: lord And i'm, Like, lord what DO i do? Now

556
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: AND i felt like you, said double, down go twice as,

557
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: hard twice as. Long i'm, like, okay all. Right and

558
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: we started, praying like forty five minutes to an hour every,

559
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: day Like, LORD i believe you promised. This we, started you,

560
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: KNOW i was commanding my body to common alignment with

561
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: the will of my heavenly father and produce a. DAUGHTER i, prayed, it, prayed,

562
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: it prayed. IT i kid you. Not the week That

563
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: hope was, DUE i was pretty. Discouraged i'm, like here we,

564
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: are she was due this. WEEK i can't, believe you,

565
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: know And i'll, YEAH i EM i THOUGHT i was.

566
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: CRAZY i THOUGHT i was just, like DID i invent?

567
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: This whole. Thing DID i really just think you were

568
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: speaking this to my? Spirit And i've been having a

569
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: communication WITH i don't, know some Bad chinese food last.

570
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: Night that's what the dreams were. About i'm, like, what,

571
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: what what HAVE i been doing all this? Time that's

572
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: the enemy in your?

573
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: Ear that's exactly what that.

574
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: Is, YES i, know BUT i would get out, Relate, yeah, totally.

575
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Totally and he will steal your. Dreams he will Steal

576
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: god's calling and purpose and try to convince you this

577
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: Isn't god's. Will and you, Know i've known people that

578
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,239
Speaker 1: thought that the will Of god was something other than

579
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: what it. Was And i'm not going to Say i've

580
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: got one hundred percent track. RECORD i, don't but you,

581
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: KNOW i was really deep in it at this. POINT

582
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: i may be, praying you, know an hour a, day

583
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: like for. Months we were. Committed we were eight months

584
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: into this, thing and So hope was due this. Week

585
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: she was doing A, thursday AND i was so. Discouraged

586
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: at this, Point i'm, like you, know just, thinking DID

587
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: i just invent this whole? Thing is this? Crazy and

588
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: the morning she was, Due hope was, DUE i felt

589
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: The Holy spirit prig me and say take a pregnancy,

590
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: test And i'm, LIKE i don't want to do, that

591
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: that's just. Man oh BUT i, did and lo and,

592
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: BEHOLD i kids you not the day hope was, due

593
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: we found out we were Expecting evangeline faith and Only

594
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: god can write that kind of. Story, Yes but the

595
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: principles THAT i learned in this book Let Us pray

596
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: and some other. Books another, Book An Intercessory prayer By,

597
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: dutch sheets some of the, principles and that WHERE i

598
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: was convinced that it was the will Of, GOD i

599
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: prayed it. FORTH i spoke it, authoritatively AND i got

600
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: angry at the enemy for, trespassing for stealing something from

601
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: me that was Not god's. Will But god's will was

602
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: that we had another, child AND i could not make

603
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,239
Speaker 1: this be a girl and my fourth child be a

604
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: boy like my. Dreams Only god could do. That and

605
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: let me just add this in here in case your

606
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: listeners were wondering why did it take so much? Prayer,

607
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: WELL i, actually at twenty six weeks started having an

608
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: abruption and spent the entire last month in the, hospital

609
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: and it was pretty. Rocky it was pretty. Difficult but

610
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: let me tell, you just Like, watchman. Knee at the,

611
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: beginning we talked About god raising the level of the.

612
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: WATER i still had the. Abruption those are some pretty big.

613
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Rocks the connection between me and this child was tenuous and.

614
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: Dangerous that can kill a mother as well as a,

615
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: child and it can happen very, quickly which is WHY

616
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: i ended up spending the entire last month in the.

617
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: Hospital and let me just, say the last day in

618
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: the HOSPITAL i, HAD i was fully abrupting and it

619
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: looked like an episode OF. Csi in my hospital. Room

620
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: it was a bloody. Mess but every day when they would,

621
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: test they would monitor. Me they told me her heartbeat

622
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: and her movement was, perfect. Perfect and my doctor was on.

623
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: Call there were like twenty three doctors in her. Practice

624
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: she was on call that, weekend my doctor who had

625
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: delivered my four other, kids and she, said we got

626
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: to get her. Out they took me, in did an

627
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: EMERGENCY c. Section they bring this kid to. Me she's,

628
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Perfect she's, perfect there's nothing wrong with. Her AND i

629
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: know that that's why all that prayer was. NECESSARY i

630
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: don't think she would have made. IT i don't know

631
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,959
Speaker 1: THAT i would have made, it But god led us

632
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: to pray like. That because something miraculous was. Happening she's a.

633
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: Miracle every child is a, miracle but this one in

634
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: particular was a. Journey but not only. That it was

635
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: a journey of learning how to emphatically pray for the

636
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: will Of god when he has revealed it to, you

637
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: and then you, know standing in prayer and saying. Transactionally

638
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: he talks about this in the book that it's a

639
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: legal trand. Action the enemy doesn't have a right to

640
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: steal things from, you but he will if you let,

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00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: him he will do. It he'll steal your kid's. Faith you,

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00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: Know i've told you before the show and my listeners

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Speaker 1: know we've gone Through my oldest has had a prodigal journey,

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00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: well and she's come back to believing In. God BUT

645
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: i want to, see you, know a fervency and pursuit

646
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: of The, lord WHICH i don't. See and you know,

647
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: what at this, point she's an, adult she lives in my,

648
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: home she's an. Adult but where are we battling? This

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Speaker 1: you know WHAT i? DID i learned how to do

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Speaker 1: it With, evangeline with that. Baby all the SCRIPTURES i got.

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Speaker 1: Together you know WHAT i. DID i created a scripture

652
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Speaker 1: list to pray over my daughter every day and over her,

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00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: faith AND i pray it every day without. Fail my

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00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: husband AND i. Pray it's five pages of. Scripture that's

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Speaker 1: a free. Resource by the, way on my website. Too

656
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: if anybody is looking for scriptures to pray over lost, children.

657
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 3: What is your website so they can go there if they.

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Speaker 1: Want It's Katherine seegers dot Com catherine WITH A C

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Speaker 1: C A T H E R I N E S

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Speaker 1: E G A R. S but the Point i'm saying

661
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: is he taught me through that experience what it means

662
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: to pray and to intercede for. Something so are these

663
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Speaker 1: prayers fully? Realizing there are a lot of Kids i'm praying.

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Speaker 1: For i've got a bookmark in My bible that's got

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Speaker 1: the list of a lot of named kids who are

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Speaker 1: on prodigal. Journeys HAVE i seen it yet fully? Realized?

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00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: No this is what we have in our, faith is

668
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: that we're not left without a. Strategy we have a

669
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Speaker 1: strategy with The, lord and we can partner with him

670
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: and do. Things this is one of the great principles

671
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: of the. Book do things go undone when we don't? Pray,

672
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: yes they. DO i don't have to be a part

673
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: of the Promised. LAND i don't have to receive the.

674
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: PROMISE i can choose to stay out in the. Desert

675
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: but By, GOD i am going to be one of

676
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: those believers who persists in. Prayer i'm not going to

677
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: miss it BECAUSE i didn't pray for. It now Maybe

678
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: i'll miss it BECAUSE i prayed for the wrong thing

679
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: AND i didn't properly ascertain the will Of. God BECAUSE

680
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: i can't change his. Mind that's another big principle in the.

681
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: Book i'm not trying to Change god's. Mind What i'm

682
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: trying to do is get through the. Opposition and we

683
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: have a really big example of that In daniel chapter,

684
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: ten When daniel prayed and fasted for three weeks and

685
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: The angel was coming with the answer to his, prayers

686
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: but he was upheld by The prince Of. Persia that's

687
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 1: in the demonic when the spiritual realm he had to

688
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: fight that. Off and what If daniel got tired after two.

689
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: Weeks what if we had gotten tired after six months

690
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: AND i didn't go, ON i don't think my child

691
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: would be. Here but we have to persist in prayer

692
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: and believe that we're co laboring With. God and it.

693
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: Matters our prayers deeply, matter because IF i don't think they,

694
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: matter Then i'm not going to do. It it's just

695
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: a waste of. Time it's just. Theatrics it's just jumping through.

696
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: Hoops and again that is the enemy coming up against

697
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: us with that belief that, oh it's, Okay god's going

698
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 2: to do, it he wants to, anyway just let it.

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00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 2: Go what you said brought up two things THAT i

700
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: think are so important that he. Said thing one is

701
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 2: this analogy that he gives of Where god's.

702
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 3: Will is and what our role.

703
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: Is we and our prayers are like the rails of a. Train,

704
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: yes And god's plans And god's kingdom. Come his will

705
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 2: be done is the. Train and the train could go

706
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 2: where the tracks have not been, laid but it will

707
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: sink into the earth and go.

708
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: Nowhere but where we.

709
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: Are he talks, about, like let's pray to lay these

710
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: tracks like a network across the whole, earth where there

711
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: is no place where his desired will doesn't get to

712
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: go on.

713
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: Earth AND i mean the question is why Does, god.

714
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: Being omnipotent and omniscient and, omnipresent why does he need

715
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 2: us and he, doesn't but he wants us to. Partner

716
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: he gives us the privilege because he loves. Us and

717
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: for there's still a, MYSTERY i, mean there's still things

718
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 2: we don't understand about. Why but for some, reason he

719
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: loves us that much and he wants us to come into.

720
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: Partnership and so WHEN i think of the, blessings the

721
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: things that he wants to, do the, kingdom purposes that

722
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 2: he desires that are already conceived In, heaven that he

723
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: wants to bring down to, earth that it just this

724
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 2: whole idea of our prayers being trained tracks just made

725
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: me go To god. IMMEDIATELY i pushed pause AND i was, Like,

726
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: god help me to hear what do you?

727
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: Want what do you want me to?

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00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: Pray and that's where this prayer without ceasing comes. In,

729
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: well and the other part of that is if we

730
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: are not constantly, praying we.

731
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Speaker 3: Are the we are the.

732
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Speaker 2: Bottleneck, Yeah and so it just makes me want to

733
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 2: just go through my day like hearing from. Him where

734
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: in this sphere of, influence where this supermarket do you

735
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: want me to be?

736
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: Praying or even if.

737
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Speaker 2: You or one place and you know where in, government

738
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: in world interaction and the unfolding of, History where in

739
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: my personal, relationships where in? Whatever what is it that you?

740
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 2: Want AND i think it's a sign of a great

741
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: book that Glorifies god that it just made me want

742
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: to immediately take action and not be the. BOTTLENECK i

743
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: want to pray without ceasing so as many of those

744
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: train tracks that reflect his will can be laid according

745
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: to his.

746
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: Will and that's just. Exciting that is so.

747
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: EXCITING i want to read a couple of, quotes AND

748
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Speaker 1: i love that you brought up the train, tracks, man

749
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: because we can be that. Bottleneck and you know, what

750
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: he can use somebody else's train, tracks But i'm GOING

751
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: i want him to use, mine you, KNOW i guess you.

752
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: KNOW i don't want to be that person that ends

753
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: up left out in the desert for forty years and dies.

754
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: OFF i want The Promised. LAND i want the promises

755
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: to come into my. LIFE i want the fulfillment Of

756
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: his will in my. Life AND i don't have to.

757
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: PARTICIPATE i can still. BELIEVE i can still you, know

758
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: go to, CHURCH i can still do all of these.

759
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: Things but just, say the enemy isn't scared of a

760
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: believer just because they sit in a pew On. Sundays

761
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: but when a believer really gets a hold of the

762
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: concepts that he has in these books and starts to,

763
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: pray that that might let me do the first EPISODE

764
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: i ever did on. Prayer this is. Hilarious this is

765
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: true THOUGH i did, it actually a little series on.

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00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: Prayer early, on between the TIME i turned in the

767
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: episode and the time it came, out my computer, crashed

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00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: like completely. CRASH i had to go spend thousands of

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00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: dollars to get a new. Computer i'm, like are you?

770
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: Crazy but, no this is what enemy AND i can

771
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: tell you more than any other topic That i've ever

772
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: ever podcasted, on this is the, one AND i think

773
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: the enemy hates the. Most. YEAH i can talk about

774
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: all the cultural issues and those are, important or political,

775
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: issues or even some deep weighty theological. Issues but if

776
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: the enemy can get us to not, pray if he

777
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: can sideline believers on this issue of, prayer Because god

778
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: has given us, Authority he has given he wants to

779
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: work through our. Prayers our prayers are the. Tracts why

780
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: is he chosen to work this? WAY i can't really answer.

781
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: That that is the mystery. Part but what we see

782
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: time and time and time again throughout scripture is That

783
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: god is partnering with human beings in order to accomplish

784
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: his will here on. Earth And i'm going to read

785
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: a couple Of nies quotes. Here on page, four he,

786
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: says prayer does not alter that Which god has. Determined

787
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: it never changes. Anything it merely achieves What he is

788
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: already for. Ordained, prayerlessness, though does affect change Because god

789
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: will let many of his resolutions go suspended due to

790
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: the lack from his people of prayer full cooperation with.

791
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: Him that's on page. Four so our prayers don't change

792
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: what his will. Is we're not trying to Say god

793
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: do something that he didn't already want to. Do, rather

794
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: we're ascertaining what his will, is and we're praying that.

795
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: Forth but if we don't do, that will his will

796
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: not come to pass in this particular situation or in

797
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: this particular. Life very possibly that could be the. Case

798
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: and you, KNOW i remember a story of once that

799
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: a minister told of another minister Who God he was

800
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: actually a, businessman And god called him to start a,

801
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: church and he was going to start this. Church he

802
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: actually had the plans drawn, up and he got discouraged

803
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: it got. Hard there was a lot of. Opposition and

804
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: so one day he was driving by and he saw

805
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: a church that looked exactly like the church that he

806
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,959
Speaker 1: was supposed to, build right where he was supposed to build.

807
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: It and he went there week after week weeping in

808
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: the front, row and the pastor was. Preaching he was,

809
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: like why is this guy constantly? Here he has a deep.

810
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: Burden and he went and talked to him and he asked, him,

811
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: like what's going? On and he showed him the plans

812
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: for the building that they were. In he got. Discouraged

813
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: he didn't pray, through he didn't keep seeking The. Lord

814
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: now he's still a, believer he still Loves, god but

815
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: he gave up like Like. Daniel you, know it would

816
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: have been Like daniel giving up on week. Two he

817
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: didn't persevere all the way to receive the answer From.

818
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 1: God so if we don't have to participate In god's,

819
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,959
Speaker 1: PLAN i didn't have to Have seegers four and five

820
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: And god do through their lives what he wanted to.

821
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: Do god can pick somebody. Else and this think of,

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00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: esther LIKE i, Said mordecai came to her and, said you,

823
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: know maybe you were born for such a time as.

824
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: This but if, not if you choose not to do,

825
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: This god will raise up a. Deliver he will deliver his,

826
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: people but you will be. Lost so we have a

827
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: choice as to whether we want to participate with What god.

828
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: Does and on page twenty five he, says how many

829
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: things The lord indeed desires to, do yet does not

830
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: perform them because his people do not. Pray he will

831
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: wait until men and women agree with, him and then

832
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: he will. Work this is a great principle In god's

833
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: working and it constitutes one of the most important principles

834
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: to be found in The. Bible AND i think when

835
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: we understand That god's waiting on, us That he's not.

836
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: Just going to do.

837
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: Yet ultimately his will will be done because you know

838
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: what he's going to. Find he's going to find the

839
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: pastor who will build the. Church he's going to find.

840
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: Him he's going to find the mother who will have

841
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: the child to fulfill that. Calling he will find that.

842
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 1: Person somebody will say. Yes but the question that is

843
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,959
Speaker 1: posed to, You, jamie and to me and to every

844
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: audience member is when he comes to, you will you say?

845
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: Yes will you partner with? Him will you? Believe will

846
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: you Seek his. Will will you persevere in prayer against

847
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: great opposition in order to See his will fulfilled here

848
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: in your life and in your. Situation that's the question

849
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: we all have posed to, us.

850
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: And that will never happen if we treat prayer Like,

851
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: google if we, decide, Oh i'm going to throw out

852
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: the request and just you, KNOW i want it right,

853
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: away Or i'm not going to get. It and so

854
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: that's WHY i think it's so important to like understanding

855
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: some of these inner workings and some of the biblical

856
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: principles behind prayer and stoking that passion For chris is so,

857
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: important so that we don't give, up so that we

858
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 2: do press, in so that we do set aside white

859
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: space and quiet time with The lord to train our

860
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: brains to interact with him and tune our ears to his.

861
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: Voice mm, hm that is so. True this has been.

862
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: Amazing yeas one, THING i know we probably got to wrap.

863
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 3: Up we could talk about.

864
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: THIS i, Mean i've got like pages, you BUT i

865
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: don't want to leave without.

866
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 3: Something you.

867
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: Said he said, something and he said it over and.

868
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 2: Over in the first couple of, TIMES i glossed over,

869
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: it and THEN i was, Like, lord are you trying

870
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: to tell me something he said over and over. Again

871
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: we are to be outraged By, satan to detest him

872
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: and his, demons to speak accusations against. Him he's called the,

873
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: accuser but we are to accuse, him resist, him rejecting

874
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: what he throws our.

875
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 3: WAY i ADMIT i.

876
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: Do not often have outrage Against satan and his. MINIONS

877
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: i really. DON'T i have outrage about my. CIRCUMSTANCES i

878
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: definitely find myself getting outraged by others who come Against

879
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: god or against the knowledge Of, god and it makes me.

880
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: Frustrated and that goes back to our battle is not

881
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: against flesh and. Blood our battle is against our spiritual,

882
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: enemies who are, deceivers, who like you, said to, steal, kill.

883
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: Destroy but you talked about how after your miscarriage that

884
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: you had this anger and this opposition against the, enemy

885
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 2: and you were outraged that he'll feel What god. Intended

886
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: AND i think that is so important because if we,

887
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 2: DON'T i think that's another way we are lulled into

888
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: not praying as, effectively because we pray things Like i'm

889
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: outraged about this, Person, god you, know sick it to,

890
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 2: them you, know or or we get derailed in our

891
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 2: relationships or heaven, forbid in the body Of. Christ we

892
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: have these fissures among believers and among denominations and among whatever,

893
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: philosophies but that we direct our prayers in the wrong

894
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: direction because we're not outraged at the, enemy and we're

895
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: not fighting that battle against the principalities and the authorities

896
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: in the spiritual realm that stand Against. God and so

897
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: that hit me like a ton of. BRICKS i need

898
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: to make sure that my outrage is infected in the

899
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: right direction so That i'm praying more.

900
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: EFFECTIVELY i love that you brought that. Up thank, You

901
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing that, up because that was a

902
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: significant pivotal point of my journey BECAUSE i could have

903
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: turned that outrage one of two. Directions and a lot

904
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: of people do you, know something horrible. Happened the diagnosis,

905
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: came the miscarriage, happened the accident, happened, Whatever and we

906
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: are supposed to get angry about, that but not At.

907
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: God our outraged Often and by the, WAY i don't

908
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: know why this just popped in my. Head maybe somebody

909
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: needs to hear. This you, Know Charles darwin had a

910
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: daughter who died of very young OF i don't know

911
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: if it was tuberculosis or a lung disease or. Something

912
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: she died very, young and she was the light of his,

913
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: life the apple of his, eye and a lot of

914
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 1: that fueled his passion to find answers for the origin

915
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: of the species outside Of god because of, this because

916
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: he was raised in A christian home and he believed.

917
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: That and so we can turn our anger Against, god

918
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: or we can turn it against the one who, steals

919
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: kills and. Destroys AND i get, IT i understand because

920
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: we're Like but he's all. Powerful he could prevent, this

921
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: he could stop. This he could have prevented the, accident

922
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: he could have prevented the. Miscarriage he could have prevented

923
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: this diagnosis from, coming or this thing from setting in someone's.

924
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: Body he is all. Powerful but we have to wrestle

925
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: through the fact that we live in a world that has.

926
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 1: Fallen and there are ramifications from, that but going back

927
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: to the beautiful picture that we had at the beginning

928
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: From Watchman, nie Sometimes god will remove the, rocks but

929
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: he if he doesn't remove the, rocks he will raise

930
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: the water. Level he will do it every. Time AND

931
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: i love the outrage there though we've got to point

932
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: it in the right. Direction AND i very much see

933
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: my prayer, life particularly in that, season but in every,

934
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: season like walking through this, season the prodigal as a

935
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: legal transaction Before, GOD i see myself in a heavenly,

936
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: courtroom And i'm, like the enemy is stealing something that

937
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: is not. His he did not author this. Child you

938
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: authored this child through. Me, THEREFORE i am going to

939
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: rebuke and bind all of these things that are preventing

940
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: this child from following. You and he goes into the

941
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: binding and loosening principles in the book from those are

942
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: From matthew sixteen. Nineteen and by the, way just listen

943
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: to a long series where a lot of people don't

944
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: believe that we have this. AUTHORITY i want to acknowledge

945
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: that there may be some people out there in the

946
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: listening audience and, well that doesn't apply to. US i

947
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: didn't see a statute of limitations on. IT i looked for.

948
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: IT i could not find. That a lot of people

949
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: say that was just an authority they gave to the original.

950
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: DISCIPLES i don't. Believe so what happened. There it's a

951
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: fascinating chapter In matthew Sixteen jesus is speaking to his.

952
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 1: Disciples he takes them To Cesarea, philippi to what's called

953
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: The gates Of. HELL a lot of people think he's

954
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: just referring to the gates Of, hell like.

955
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 3: He just learned this, recently and it blew my. Mind

956
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: oh my.

957
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: Gosh so The gates Of hell, is, well it's a

958
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: physical place where all of the you, know the the

959
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: false gods were, worshiped the, sacrifices where it was the

960
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: portal of all demonic activity in that region of the

961
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: world at that. Time, idea just imagine all of these

962
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 1: demons coming and going. Right and he's just had this

963
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: encounter with The pharisees where they were asking him for a,

964
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: sign and he's telling, him you, know it's. This you,

965
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: know they want him to perform like a you, know

966
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: dancing monkey or, something and he refuses to do. It

967
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: and so he goes with his disciples in front of

968
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: imagine just the most satanic place on earth that you

969
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: can think. Of that's where he's. Standing he's standing in

970
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: front of that, place and he looks at him and he,

971
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: says who do people say THAT i? Am and they're, like,

972
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: well some Say john The, Baptist i'm say the spirit Of. Elijah.

973
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: Okay and he looks at his disciples and he, says

974
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: who do you say THAT i? Am And, Peter ah Love.

975
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: Peter he speaks up and he, says you're The, christ

976
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: the son of The Living. God and he, said blessed are, You,

977
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: Peter because flesh and blood man did not reveal this to.

978
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: You The spirit Of god revealed this to. You and he,

979
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: Said i'm going to give you the keys of the.

980
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: Kingdom and upon this. Rock what is the? Rock it's

981
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: the revelation of Who Jesus christ really. Is he's Not

982
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: john The, Baptist he's Not. Elijah he is The Promised.

983
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: Messiah and he came to take back what the enemy

984
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: stole and the. Garden and this is WHERE i differ

985
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: with a lot of the. Criticisms they're, like, well we

986
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 1: think we have this binding and loosening principle given to

987
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: us just In matthew. Sixteen, no what happened was we

988
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: gave it Away adam And eve at the. Fall that

989
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: gave the keys and the authority on earth to the.

990
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: Enemy and Then jesus came back to regain that. Authority

991
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: and then he turns around and who does he give it? To,

992
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: peter who represents the. Church he, Says i'm going to

993
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: give you the kings of keys of The, kingdom and

994
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: whatever things you bind on earth shall have been bound in.

995
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: Heaven that's the more literal. Translation we're not binding things

996
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,240
Speaker 1: he hasn't. Bound what we're doing is what we talked about.

997
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: Earlier we're ascertaining what the will Of god. Is i'm

998
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 1: not going in front of the local convenience store and

999
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: loosening a winning lottery. Ticket you, know that's not how it.

1000
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: WORKS i don't get to pray for and it's not

1001
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: name it claimant. THEOLOGY i want to be very clear about.

1002
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: This it's ascertaining what the will Of god, is like

1003
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier in, intimacy and then what we

1004
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: do is we bind the things that are preventing that from,

1005
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: happening and then we loose the things that will allow

1006
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: it to happen that are in accordance with the will Of.

1007
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: God and LIKE i, SAID i don't see a statute

1008
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: of limitations anywhere where we see that this authority That

1009
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: he gave to the Early church through the disciples is

1010
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: somehow not an authority that you AND i. Have a

1011
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: lot Of christians say that we, don't AND i have

1012
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: listened to, them AND i respectfully, disagree because a lot

1013
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: of THEM i do respect. Immensely BUT i don't see

1014
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: the statue of. LIMITATIONS i don't look at the circumstances

1015
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: of my life in order to explain. Theology but my

1016
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: understanding of scripture and theology has to be able to

1017
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: explain my. Experience and so WHEN i commanded my body

1018
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: to come in alignment with the will Of, GOD i

1019
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: bound the things that were preventing. IT i lose the

1020
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: things that would cause that to, happen and it. Happened

1021
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: now somebody else may have a different explanation for, it

1022
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: BUT i lived. IT i lived through the dark knight

1023
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: of the, soul there through the, LOSS i lived through the.

1024
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: WRESTLING i got angry at the right, source which was

1025
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: the enemy of my soul who stole something from. ME

1026
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 1: i didn't get angry At god over. IT i got

1027
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: angry at the. Enemy and he justifies that anger because

1028
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: he's angry. Too he's not the author of, death he's

1029
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: not the author of. Theft god is the author of,

1030
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: life and he came to give us life. Abundantly SO

1031
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: i believe those principles In matthew sixteen, nineteen which he

1032
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: does go into the, BOOK i believe they still apply

1033
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: to us. Today i've prayed, it And i've seen the

1034
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: fruit of it in my. LIFE i see them every.

1035
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: Day they're being very quiet upstairs right now While i'm,

1036
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: podcasting And i'm proud of figures four and, five but

1037
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: they're in my. HOUSE i look at them every. Day

1038
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that this isn't a reality and

1039
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: that we can't pray with authority BECAUSE i could not

1040
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: have produced a boy at age forty three or a

1041
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: girl at age forty five of my own, strength you,

1042
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: KNOW i, MEAN i can't determine what they're going to.

1043
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: Be god revealed his. WILL i prayed. AUTHORITATIVELY i bound

1044
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: the things that were. OBSTACLES i lose the things that

1045
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: were in alignment with his, will and we saw it

1046
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: come to. Pass and so that transactional nature WHERE i

1047
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: see myself in a heavenly, Courtroom i'm using that now

1048
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: to pray over my friend who's been diagnosed essentially with.

1049
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: Als and whether The lord raises the water level or

1050
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: he removes the, Rocks i'm praying that he removes the.

1051
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: Rocks that's What I'm i'm praying emphatically that that. Happens But,

1052
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: lord you know we're submitting To him through, this And

1053
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: i'm going to continue to pray with authority according to

1054
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 1: a lot of the principles That i've learned in this

1055
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: book to See god's will be done in his life

1056
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: and in the lives of my children and those around.

1057
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: Me.

1058
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: Amen, amen.

1059
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 2: BOY i would love to continue for no however, long

1060
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 2: But i'm guessing we need to wrap up at least this.

1061
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: Episode maybe we'll get to revisit this another. Time but

1062
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Speaker 2: there's so much in there on and all. Wonderful, catherine

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for this for bringing this book

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Speaker 2: to my attention and allowing our listeners to get to.

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Speaker 3: Benefit i'm so.

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Speaker 1: Glad you enjoyed. IT i, wondered you, know there's some

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Speaker 1: depending on where you're coming from, theologically some people might

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Speaker 1: not agree with all of the theology in this. BOOK

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Speaker 1: i do agree with, it And i've seen the fruit

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Speaker 1: of it AND i can't.

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Speaker 2: Argue, hey you, know that's the thing we talked about

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Speaker 2: before we hit, record was there's enough space In god's

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Speaker 2: kingdom for us to major on the, majors and with

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Speaker 2: a book like, this someone could read it and test

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00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: it against what you know to be, true test it

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00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 2: against your, understanding come at it with an open, mind

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00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: and ask For god to really just reveal truth to,

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00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: you BECAUSE i don't. KNOW i think there's room for

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Speaker 2: us not to agree with one hundred percent of, things

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Speaker 2: but to take away some really very powerful.

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Speaker 1: TRUTHS i just want to add one final thing to encourage.

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Speaker 1: PEOPLE i WISH i remembered this woman's. Name i'm seeing

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Speaker 1: her at church. Before we had a big healing service,

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00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: recently and our church practices the kind of things that

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00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about in this. Book Has we had a

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00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: big healing service and they did baptisms of healing in

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00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: the water and it was really really. Powerful and this

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00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: woman Has parkinson's disease and she has been in a

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00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: wheelchair for, years couldn't, walk one of her eyes is,

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00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: blind and one of her legs was turned and so

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00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: they prayed the kind of binding and loosening prayers that

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00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about right. Now And, parkinson's by the, way

1093
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: is a disease where something has been defective at you're

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00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: missing something in your brain it's been destroyed in your,

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00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: brain and so it is truly a miracle if someone

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00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: is healed from, that it's a regenerative. MIRACLE i saw

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00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: that woman this Last sunday walk into. Church she walked into.

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Speaker 1: Church her eyesight is coming, back her leg is. Turning

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Speaker 1: and it wasn't. Instantaneous it's like each day she's she

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00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: went shopping with her grandchildren the other day and she

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00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: hasn't been able to do that in years and, so and.

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Speaker 2: She's literally walking out her. Healing, yes and so in the,

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Speaker 2: lepers walking to the priests as they filed along the

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Speaker 2: way as they.

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Speaker 1: Went and my friend also was in the water and,

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Speaker 1: we're you, know the the, als the one who is

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00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: essentially that's where that diagnosis. Is and he got worse

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00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: the next. WEEK i can't answer, why but you know,

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Speaker 1: What i'm in the Hot we were at the hospital with,

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Speaker 1: them and, man his faith is so, high AND i

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00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: can See god raising the water. Level SO i don't

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Speaker 1: have all the, answers And i'm still praying for complete healing.

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Speaker 1: There But, god he never healed the same way. Twice

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Speaker 1: he did everything according to his, timeline his. Way i'm

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Speaker 1: just going to be the person that's believing in. FAITH

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00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: i know That god can do. It i'm praying that

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00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: he will do, it And i'm going to pray according

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Speaker 1: to WHAT i believe his will is in the.

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Speaker 3: SITUATION i love. That what a great.

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Speaker 1: Word m thank you for joining us too On Christian

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Speaker 1: Parent Crazy. World, No i'm joining your, show you're joining.

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Speaker 1: Mine this has been, fun this has been, amazing AND

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Speaker 1: i have JUST i can't tell you what do we

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00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: talk for over an hour before we?

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Speaker 2: Started, YEAH i guess we should hit record at some.

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Speaker 1: POINT i do that a. Lot BUT i just have

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Speaker 1: the most amazing people in my, show And i'm so

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Speaker 1: so thrilled to add you to that. Roster i've just

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00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: so enjoyed this and so enjoyed getting to know you

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00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 1: better and talking about these principles about prayer BECAUSE i

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00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: think they're. Revolutionary they are revolutionary if you will grasp

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00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: a hold of them and believe in AND i encourage

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00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: other people grab the book eighty seven. Pages let us.

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Speaker 1: Pray so this has been.

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Speaker 2: Awesome thank, You thank, You and CAN i close us

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Speaker 2: in prayer real?

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Speaker 1: QUICK i always welcome.

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Speaker 3: Prayer, okay let us.

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Speaker 1: Pray.

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Speaker 2: Father we just thank you so much For catherine for

1141
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: bringing us, together allowing our podcasts to, intersect and just

1142
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 2: thank you For Life audio for being the source of our.

1143
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: Connection we just, Pray, father that you would help us

1144
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: to just attune our ears to the voice of your,

1145
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: will Your Kingdom, Come your will be, done so that

1146
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: we can lay those train tracks so that we can

1147
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 2: be part of partnering with you to bring those things to.

1148
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Speaker 2: Pass we just thank you so much for whatever reason

1149
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: that you, have just the love that you have for,

1150
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 2: us that you allow us to be partners in this

1151
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: miraculous and mysterious work of. Prayer we just pray that

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00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: for anyone who is, struggling suffering in their relationship with,

1153
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 2: you who's been, disappointed who's had just unspeakable heartache in their,

1154
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: lives who doesn't know if you care or if you,

1155
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: hear that you would just right now minister to, them

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01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 2: that they would feel your, presence your holy spirit would

1157
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: just surround them like a warm, blanket that you would

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01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 2: just fill them with your love and your peace and

1159
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 2: with a knowledge that you hear them that you want

1160
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: them to draw near to, you that you want them

1161
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: to partner with you in bringing blessing and kingdom purposes

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01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: onto this earth as it is in. HEAVEN i lived

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01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: Up catherine to, you and just pray for her, family

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01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 2: for each one of her, children that each of them

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01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: would come to know you in a, personal intimate way

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01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: and would just passionately pursue a relationship with you for

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01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: the rest of their. Lives thank you for her powerful,

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01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: testimony just for the birth of her numbers four and,

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01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 2: five and that you have just given her such a

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 2: personal look at how you work through persistent and passionate.

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Speaker 2: Prayer we just pray that you would bless this time

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Speaker 2: and just be glorified in it In jesus.

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Speaker 3: Name, Amen, Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen why don't you tell my listeners where they can

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01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: learn more about your podcast and get in touch with you.

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Speaker 2: Guys, yes we are at just The Praying Christian women

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Speaker 2: podcast anywhere you listen to. Podcasts you can find us

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Speaker 2: At Praying christianwomen dot com and we are on substack

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Speaker 2: And instagram And facebook At Praying Christian.

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Speaker 3: Women how about.

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Speaker 1: YOU i need to get over on. SUBSTACK i keep

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01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: hearing THAT i haven't done that. Yet maybe after we

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Speaker 1: make the big move next year AND i have a

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Speaker 1: little more, time a little short on time these. Days

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Speaker 1: but you can find me At Christian Parent Crazy world

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Speaker 1: With Life. Audio It's Wherever podcasts where you listen to your.

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Speaker 1: Podcasts we deal with tough, theological, cultural apologetic, issues and relational.

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Speaker 1: Issues And i'd love to dig into a good topic

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Speaker 1: like prayer like, this BECAUSE i, mean we wonder why

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01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: do we? Pray does it really accomplish? Anything AND i

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01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,919
Speaker 1: think we really answered that question today in a way

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Speaker 1: that is in line with. Scripture you can also follow

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Speaker 1: me at or find me At Catherine segers dot. COM

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Speaker 1: i have like scripture lists to pray over your, children

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Speaker 1: particularly prodigal children or women who are struggling with fertility

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Speaker 1: and other issues like. That And i'm also On, instagram

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Speaker 1: At Catherine seegers And. FACEBOOK i don't mosey over there

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Speaker 1: as much AS i need to Because i'm pretty busy

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Speaker 1: and maybe soon to be. SUBSTACK i need to get over.

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Speaker 1: There but this has been delightful and it's such a.

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Speaker 3: Joy, well thank, You.

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