1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: God is not always going to make things feel comfy 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: and safe and cozy for a people that he's longing 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: to draw to himself. But they're acting like they don't 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: need a shepherd in a world full of wolves. 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Is Israelis feel betrayed. 6 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: They are reading the text of the fourteen points of 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the deal that was struck between President Trump and Vice 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: President Vance and what's left of the Iranian regime, fourteen 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: points of a memorandum of understanding that's set into motion 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: sixty days of negotiations for a full and one would 11 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: hope a final deal to end this war and end 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: Iran threat, nuclear and otherwise. But Israelis are feeling abandoned, 13 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: They feel forsaken, They feel shocked and stunned by this deal. 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: And how do Americans feel? How should Christians look at 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: this deal? We have read it and we've got details 16 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: for you. Welcome to inside the Epicenter. Hi is Joel 17 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: Rosenberg back in Jerusalem now with my wife Lynn after 18 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: six weeks in the States. Welcome to Inside the Epicenter. 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: We're so glad this is a to be with you. 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: We're going to walk you through what's the biggest topic 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: of our season. Here and one that we didn't want 22 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: to get into until we had read the deal and 23 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: had a little bit more time to absorb what it means, 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: talk to some experts and talk to a range of Americans, Brits. 25 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: We were in the UK and israelis as well, But 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,199 Speaker 1: Lena's good to be back here in Jerusalem after six 27 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: weeks in the US and the UK. 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to share with people a little bit 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: about what we've been up to. 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, we've been both in the United States, and then, 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 3: like Joel said, about ten days in England, which was lovely, 32 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: is always wonderful to be in England, visiting some staff, 33 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: some friends, having a little bit of a brief holiday 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: for my birthday and our anniversary, which was nice. But 35 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: our time in America, we had three weddings, a funeral, 36 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: a graduation from college, and those were personal things that 37 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: were interspersed through a lot of wonderful time meeting with Joshua, 38 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: fund supporters, donors, just people at churches across America, from 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: California to Texas to Virginia, just talking with people about 40 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: what is God doing here in the epicenter and how 41 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: has it been these last years in Israel and praying 42 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 3: for Israel, praying for the neighbors of Israel. So it 43 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 3: was wonderful to connect with so many believers and friends 44 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: and new friends that we made across the country. So 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 3: it was a very encouraging time. 46 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: It was. 47 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: And I will say that we feel very discouraged by 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: this deal. However, I don't want to be a pessimist, 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: though I am by nature. 50 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a Russian Jew. 51 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: That's you know, sort of how we look at the 52 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: world with cloudy lenses and dark clouds hovering over us. 53 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: But I want to explain why this deal feels discouraging 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: to us and to many Israelis, but also where in 55 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: Christ we have a biblical lens to look at this, 56 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 1: not just geopolitical, not just economic or military, but how 57 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: should we look at this from a perspective of what 58 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: might God be doing? 59 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 2: And I will say right up front, I want. 60 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: To be clear about this that while I'm shocked, I 61 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: was horrified when I first read this deal for what's 62 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: not in it, but also what is in it. But 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: I also want to say that I see God's hand 64 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 1: of mercy. And I will also say that I don't 65 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: want to be a pessimist meaning in the sense that 66 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: I don't believe that it could be fixed. This is 67 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: a memorandum of understanding. It's a framework for a deal. 68 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: And when you look at the things that are missing 69 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: that we were going to talk about, like shouldn't this 70 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: be in it? 71 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: Shouldn't this be in it? 72 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: Shouldn't this be in it, it doesn't mean it can't 73 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: be in it. It's not in it now, and we'll 74 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: talk about why why not. I mean, that's really what's 75 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: causing a lot of people heartburn over this. But President Trump, 76 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: I think, to his credit and this is not a 77 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: political shit. Oh, we don't take a political position. When 78 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: President Biden did write things on Israel, we credited for 79 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: it and gave honor where honor was due. When he 80 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: came right after October seventh and he flew Air Force 81 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: one into a hot rocket war, no American president had 82 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: ever done that. And to his credit, he did that 83 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: and defended US against charges of genocide and said that's 84 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: completely not true, that Israel's committing genocide and Goza and 85 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: so forth. And President Trump has done a lot right. 86 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: No other president in American history has taken on the 87 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: Iranian regime like this. 88 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: I mean he. 89 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: Literally decapitated with Israel's help, all the top leadership, including 90 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: the so called Supreme Leader of Iran, destroyed the Iran 91 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: nuclear program, destroyed the navy and air force, and much 92 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: of its ballistic missile program. This is big, This is big, 93 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: and we shouldn't say yeah, yeah, yeah, But there are 94 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: important questions. Right How this war ends is as important 95 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: as how it began and how. 96 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 2: It was prosecuted to this point. 97 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,559 Speaker 1: But let's forget all the gains that have been made 98 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: and that Israel and the United States and our Arab 99 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: allies are in a much better security position at this moment. Now, 100 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: the question is will those gains, which are huge and historic, 101 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: will they be locked in or will they be frittered away? 102 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: And I think that's really the heart of the question 103 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: about this thing. So I think that's important to remember 104 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: what the President of the United States has done and 105 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: his team, what Israel has got accomplished, and then we 106 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: can look at what are the challenges. 107 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 3: Yes, I appreciate that, you know, it's before we moved 108 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: to Israel, we always said Joel was the Russian pessimist 109 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 3: and I was the you know, Italian optimist, and then 110 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: we moved to Israel, and somehow those. 111 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 4: Roles seem to get reverse got reversed, Joel. 112 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 3: I think Israel is a difficult place to live, is 113 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: a challenging place to live. It's a privilege to be here, 114 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: but it has turned me less into less of an 115 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: optimist because I just see, you know, I remember our 116 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: dear friend of ours, a tour guide here, when we 117 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 3: told him that we've made ali Yah, and we told 118 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: him our family, you know, had citizenship. 119 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: Now we're moving to Israel. 120 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: He said, well, welcome to the most hated people group 121 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: in all the world, in all of history. You know, 122 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: he said, basically, you know, you've thrown your lot in 123 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: with us. Huh, And I said, we have, we have thrown. 124 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 4: Our lot in with you. You know, we're all in. 125 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: We are sons, you know, served in the army and 126 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: we're living here and we are we're all in. We're 127 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 3: obviously also American citizens and proud to be so, and 128 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: grateful to be part of America and that that's our homeland. 129 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 2: But the years of freedom, it's wonderful time. That's right. 130 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: We're about to celebrate our two unred and fiftieth birthday 131 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 3: and I couldn't be more grateful to have been born 132 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: and raised in America. But yes, living here you do 133 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 3: feel and increasingly so in the last few weeks, just alone, 134 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: alone in the world as a nation and as a people. 135 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm less of an optimist than to all. 136 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: Joel is the I'm sure it's going to work out somehow. 137 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: And yes, I know in the end it's going to 138 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 3: work out. I've read the Bible. I know the end. 139 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: I know that all of these things are in God's hands. 140 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: So I have eternal security and eternal confidence. But today 141 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: and tomorrow and next week, I'm not quite so sure 142 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 3: if it's going to get better or worse. So yeah, 143 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: it's been pretty awful to just watch and to listen 144 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 3: to our own leaders in America, Vice President Vance and 145 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: President Trump. The things that they've said have have to 146 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: be honest, quite you know, been quite shocking and very 147 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: very discouraging. So yeah, I'd love to go through and 148 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 3: see what you see in the deal and what you're 149 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: hoping for in the months ahead. 150 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: Sure, Well let's start with how is rarely see it? 151 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: To start, these are some poll numbers from Israel's Channel twelve, 152 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: which contracted with a very respected poll agency here a 153 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: pole company. So, for example, the Israelis across the board 154 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: were asked, how do you see the US Iran deal? 155 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: Sixty seven percent see it as a bad deal for Israel. 156 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: Sixty seven percent. That's huge, seven out of ten. Almost 157 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: only nine percent see the deal as good for Israel. Now, 158 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: again let's just keep this in context. We haven't said 159 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: yet whether the deal really is good or bad. Question, 160 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: that's how do Israelis feel? And they feel abandoned, they 161 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: feel betrayed, they feel shocked because they have loved President 162 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: Trump and his team and they have seen him be 163 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: such a great ally and accomplished so much, and now 164 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: they're like, what is happening? And so they see this 165 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: deal as bad. The rest, the remainder of that one 166 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: hundred percent, you know, aren't sure what to make of 167 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: it at this point. Another question Israelis were asked, has 168 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: the Iran deal changed your view your perception of President Trump? 169 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: And the answer is yes, seventy three percent of Israelis 170 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: say this Iran deal has changed their perception of President 171 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: Trump for the wors Okay, now you have to understand, 172 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you understand, Lamb, but just remining our audience 173 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: President Trump's approval ratings here when we left in the 174 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: middle of the war six seven weeks ago, was probably 175 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: at about seventy to seventy five percent, depending on the poll. 176 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Israelis loved, they loved this president. That's why 177 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: they're so shocked by what they're seeing in this deal, right. 178 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 3: I mean, think about even when we were driving to 179 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: the airport to leave. You know that route one that 180 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: goes from Jerusalem to Tel Aviv is lined with American flag, 181 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 3: Israeli flag, American flag, you know, alternating on both sides 182 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 3: of the road. And that's how we have felt up 183 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 3: until a few weeks ago. We felt we're arm in arm, 184 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: We've got the greatest nation on Earth behind us, you know, 185 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: we're doing this together. And then suddenly we were not 186 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: in the room where it happened. We're not even part 187 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 3: of this deal. So yeah, exactly, it's a huge change. 188 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: It is a few others. 189 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: President Trump's handling of the Iran war and the subsequent deal, 190 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: and sixty eight percent view the president President Trump as 191 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: doing a poor job of handling this. 192 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: Now. 193 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: I think if you if the poster had separated out 194 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: the handling of the war, I think that number would 195 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: be seventy five eighty percent positive. 196 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: I think it's the I think it's the deal that 197 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: would be at. 198 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: Like five or percent or less, you know, So I 199 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: think the combination is where you're getting seven and ten. 200 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Only twenty five percent of Israelis see this deal as good. 201 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: Injally on on YaHoot Yaho, as you've mentioned, and the 202 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: Israeli government heaven had any role in the negotiation of 203 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: this deal with Iran at all. We were not in 204 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: the room where it happened. This is an allusion to 205 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: the fact that Lynn and I were just in the UK, 206 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: as as she mentioned, and in addition to meeting with 207 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: ministry partners and staff, we had this little bit of 208 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: time just for to celebrate Lyn's birthday and so for 209 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: and one of the things we did is I took 210 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: her to see Hamilton, the originally Broadway musical now in England. 211 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: Interesting place to watch Hamilton in London, right in the UK, 212 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: because it's it's an entire story about the United States 213 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: breaking away from Great Britain and becoming our own independent 214 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: nation two hundred and fifty years ago. So that was 215 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: interesting to listen to the music, to watch the theme 216 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: and then you know, in a theater full. I guess 217 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: it was a mix of visitors, tourists, but also British 218 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: people watching this, including the British King basically singing, you know, 219 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: a breakup letter to but anyway, because and then one 220 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: of the key songs in there is that one of 221 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: the characters wants to be in the room where it happens. 222 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 2: You can't. 223 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: You can't have influence unless you're in the room. And 224 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: net Yahoo has not been in the room. No Israeli 225 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: has been in the room. That's been nerve wracking. And 226 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: Israelis give Trump very poor ratings, but they also give 227 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: it net Yahoo poor ratings for the war, not for 228 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: the deal. Fifty six percent of Israeli's see net Nyahu 229 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: doing a poor job, only thirty seven percent doing a 230 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: good job in this Iran war. So, some of the 231 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: headlines that are really striking me in recent days CNN 232 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 1: Vance's threat, Vice President Vance's threat is the latest sign 233 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: that the US could be breaking with Israel. You referenced 234 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: a moment ago that President Trump you didn't say this, 235 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: but and I won't use the language, but it's been 236 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: dropping f bombs on Israeli Prime Minister Net Yahoo in 237 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: recent weeks. You go back maybe a whole month, a 238 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: very coarse language against Prime mister net Yahoo, more f 239 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: bombs on bb net Yahoo than actual bombs on the 240 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 1: Iranian regime. And Vice President Vance has used very caustic, 241 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: very severe language. 242 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 2: I've never heard from him. 243 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: It's been like a humiliating language. It's been the it's 244 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: not the language of how you talk about a friend, 245 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 3: how you talk about an ally, how you treat a 246 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 3: friend at all. 247 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 4: It's cold. 248 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 3: It's just saying like, listen, you're annoying Israel. 249 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 4: Just be quiet and just stay out of this. We're 250 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 4: gonna look after American jail best. 251 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so one moment. 252 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: That's why Israelis feel so shocked and abandoned and betrayed, 253 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: because there's that feeling we were the closest allies last month, 254 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: and now this month, both the president and the Vice 255 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: President are seem to be trashing us every chance they 256 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: get and making it look like we're the intransigent ones. 257 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: We're the ones that are the obstacles to peace. The 258 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: BBC headline. Americans used to be steadfast in their support 259 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,719 Speaker 1: for Israel. Those days are gone. The British Spectator I'm 260 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: mentioning some of these British publications because we were just there. 261 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: Has America given up on Israel? Sky News another British 262 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: satellite news network. Has Donald Trump turned on Israel? But 263 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: even here in Israel Times of Israel, Trump turns on 264 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: Israel at the g seventh Summit, the Jewish Forward. This 265 00:13:56,920 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: is actually based in New York. Trump's humiliation of net Yah, 266 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: who marks a sea change in the US Israel relationship. 267 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: Another Times of Israel headline, Trump's deal is a catastrophic 268 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: capitulation to Iran's aggressors and leaves Israel vulnerable and constrained. 269 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: An ultra orthodox newspaper called the Yeshiva World News, their 270 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: headline was Israel has been abandoned, Iran Dealer is a 271 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: strategic disaster. And Wyett News yet Ahoe, which their website 272 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: is called, it's just shortened Wyette, sort of like I 273 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: guess KFC is Kentucky Frei Chigen, right, So Wyett News 274 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: this is the headline Trump betrayed Israel and the subhead 275 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: was it is as if on the eve of Nazi 276 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: Germany's fall, US President Franklin Delano Roosevelt had signed an 277 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: agreement with Hitler, left him in power, released his frozen 278 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: funds and opened a path for his recovery, and abandoned 279 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: the Allies and Winston Churchill. 280 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: That's how Israeli's. 281 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: Feel now need to get into the meat and potatoes 282 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: of this deal to see is that really true. But 283 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: I think it's important just for our audience just to listen, 284 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: just for a moment, to realize, this is what the 285 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: world is saying sometimes with glee, I think, and this 286 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: is how Israelis are feeling. And you know, you can say, well, 287 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: you got to separate your feelings from the fact. That's true. 288 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: But whenever you're dealing with a friend, and I would 289 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: say with an ally, you need to take their feelings 290 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: into account. I mean, sometimes you have to deliver strong 291 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: and tough medicine. 292 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 2: I get that. 293 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: But the way President Trump has handled it, including not 294 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: even releasing the fourteen point of the MoU for several 295 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: weeks so that everybody was speculating and nobody really knew 296 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: the deals, making people feel it even worse. That is 297 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: not built unity. I'd like to take a break and 298 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: then we'll come back and we'll go through some of 299 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: the key point why what is in the deal and 300 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: what isn't and why. 301 00:15:59,120 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: Does that matter? 302 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: And and of course God has not abandoned Israel. And 303 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: I would like us to look at some scriptures that 304 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: is God, the God of Israel, the God of the Bible, 305 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: the God and Father of our Lord, Jesus the Messiah 306 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: speaking specifically to the nation. 307 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: Of Israel about not abandoning us. 308 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: Ever, because I think one of the things that's happening 309 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: here is Israelis are so dependent on America, and you 310 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: and I support, as we've talked about a strong US 311 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: Israeli alliance, and we certainly don't want that to unravel 312 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: on our watch. But ultimately, what's the most important thing 313 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: that Israeli's turned to God, the God of the Bible, 314 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: the God of Israel, the God and Father of our 315 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: Lord and Savior, Jesus the Messiah. 316 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: For our hope. 317 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: And just like in a marriage, you of course you 318 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: want the best, warmest relationship, but a husband or a 319 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: wife can't depend on the other for that emotional satisfaction. 320 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: If we're satisfied in the Lord, we will be more 321 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: likely to be satisfied with each other other because we're 322 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: both flawed people. And I don't think our marriage is 323 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: the only one. 324 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: That's true across the board. 325 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: But when trust collapses or is or is rattled, then 326 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: you've got a problem. So this is let's go to 327 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: the break. But let me just say one more thing. 328 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: This is a moment where I think evangelical Christians, all 329 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: Christians who love Israel and love the Jewish people for 330 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: all of our flaws, need to stand with Israel more 331 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: than ever and the Jewish people more than ever. You 332 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: don't have to agree with bbing Nitnyahu on every decision 333 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: he's making, or with President Trump on every decision he's making. 334 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: But standing with Israel and having unconditional love and support 335 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: for Israel and the Jewish people, I think is more 336 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: important than ever, and I would know. Therefore, it's a 337 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: great time to do two things. One is to consider 338 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: coming to Israel next year, to show your solidarity, your love, 339 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: and to learn how is this October seventh war and 340 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: all that's unfolded. How has this changed Israel and the 341 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: region forever? It hasn't change God's word. And we'll be 342 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 1: talking about God's word and the principles at the Epicenter 343 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: Summit on April seventh, twenty twenty seven. But we're also 344 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 1: gonna look at those those criptal principles. We're also gonna 345 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: look at how things have changed for the better or 346 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: for worse, and we'll know more by next year. And 347 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: so the Joshua Fun has a tour March twenty ninth 348 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: through April ninth of twenty twenty seven next spring. And 349 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: included in the Joshua Fund tour is the ticket price 350 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: to the Epicenter Summit, which I think will be the 351 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: biggest or one of the biggest Christian conferences in Israel 352 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: since before COVID. 353 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: So we would love for you. 354 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: To come and you can find out all about that 355 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: at Joshua Fund dot com Again Joshua Fund dot com. 356 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: And of course, the second way to stand with Israel 357 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: is to bless Israel by financially giving, as the Joshua 358 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: Fund invests in ministry here and in educating the church 359 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,479 Speaker 1: worldwide about what's really happening, what God's really doing, and 360 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: how to make a sense of it all. 361 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: So those are two ways to encourage you. So let's 362 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 2: take a break. 363 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with Inside the Epicenter, the flagship 364 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: educational project initiative of the Joshua Fund. Welcome back to 365 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: Inside the Epicenter. I'm Joel Rosenberg, co founder and your 366 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: co host of the Joshuall Fund and of this Inside 367 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: the Epicenter podcast, which is the flagship educational initiative of 368 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: the Joshua Fund of ministry to bless Israel and her 369 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: neighbors in the name of Jesus. And we minister not 370 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: only to Israelis and the Palasians and Arabs in this region, 371 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: but also increase now in the last few months because 372 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: of our board's decision to minister in Iran as well. So, Lynn, 373 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: processing all that we've talked about, when you look at 374 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: the deal, the fourteen point memorandum of understanding between the 375 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: United States and Iran, what are the things that you're 376 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: concerned about? 377 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 2: What do you want to ask about? 378 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: Well, I think that the President of the United States 379 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: had some very specific goals when we started this conflict, 380 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: when it happened, I mean, Iran started this conflict a 381 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: long ago, but when we began to finally respond. I 382 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: don't see a guarantee that there'll be no nuclear program. 383 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: I don't see a guarantee that there'll be no ballistic 384 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 3: missile program. I don't see a guarantee that they'll stop 385 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 3: funding terror proxies all around the world. I don't see 386 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 3: anything about how they're going to treat their people, you know, 387 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: forty thousand plus of whom they've slaughtered in recent years. Yes, 388 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 3: I don't even see a guarantee that the Strait of 389 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: Hormus won't. 390 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 4: Have a toll. 391 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 2: Control, right. 392 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 3: I mean, before this whole thing started, the strait was open. 393 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 3: So how this all became about let's get the straight reopened, 394 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 3: I don't understand, you know. I thought that we were 395 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 3: trying to put a stop to what Iran was doing 396 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 3: around the world and how they were how. 397 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 4: They were funding. 398 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,479 Speaker 3: I mean, they've been funding everything since the seventies, and 399 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 3: you know, and then including October seventh and Hesbla and 400 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: Lebanon and you know, yes, so these are the things. 401 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 3: Where are the guarantees that our goals will actually be met? 402 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 4: That's my course, right. 403 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: I'll mention a couple of others. 404 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: One, the President promised that we this war would lead 405 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: to unconditional surrender by what's left of the Iranian regime. 406 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: We definitely don't have that. The word missile is not 407 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: mentioned in this text at all. Ilicit missiles and President 408 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: Trump and Secretary Rubio words crystal clear that destroying the 409 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: Iranian ability to fire missiles and even produced missiles was 410 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: a major objective of this operation epic fury and the 411 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 1: words not even in there. And in fact, President Trump 412 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: at the G seven press conference which he was describing 413 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: and discussing and answering questions about the deal, said well, 414 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, they need to have 415 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 1: some missiles. 416 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 2: Same thing with enriched uranium. He was President Trump. 417 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: Was crystal clear before this war and throughout the war, 418 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: no enriched uranium. Iran is not allowed to keep enriched uranium. 419 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: And they're not how to enrich uranium in the future, 420 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: not at twenty percent, not at thirty percent. 421 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: No, none. And yet now. 422 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: They say, well, you know, maybe for civilian nuclear research. 423 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: And so there are a lot of things that aren't 424 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: in there. And then there are a lot of ways 425 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: that the President has backpedaled on some things, which is 426 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: very concerning. Then there's what's in there, And there's two 427 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: things that are very concerning. One is a three hundred 428 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: billion with a B three hundred billion dollar fund to 429 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: rebuild Iran. Now, President Trump and Vice President of Vans 430 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: insist that that will not be involving any American taxpayer funding, 431 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 1: though it's the text says that the United States will 432 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: be involved in creating this fund. The United States undertakes 433 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: together with its regional partners, to create a comprehensive plan 434 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: agreed upon by both parties for the rehabilitation and economic 435 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: development of the Islamic Republic of Iran. This is point six. 436 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: While ensuring financing of at least three hundred billion dollars 437 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: could be much more. The implementation mechanism of this plan, 438 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: as part of the final agreement, will be formulated within 439 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: sixty days. Whoa nobody told us that we were going 440 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: to war to raise three hundred or more billion dollars 441 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: to rebuild Iran. If all we've destroyed is their nuclear 442 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: weapons program, their enrichment program, their ballistic missile program, about 443 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: eighty five percent of it of their missile program, the. 444 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 2: Navy and the Air Force. 445 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,360 Speaker 1: What are we rebuilding and why doesn't this agreement say 446 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: there's a three hundred billion dollar fund to rebuild Israel 447 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: and rebuild the Arab countries. 448 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 2: That are our allies. We took real damage. 449 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: And destruction from Iranian missiles and suicide drones and so 450 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't get that. 451 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 2: I don't like that, to be honest. 452 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 3: And you also know that Iran, any money that Iran 453 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 3: gets is not going to the Iranian people. It's not 454 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: going to help them with their infrastructure or their schools, 455 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 3: or their hospitals or anything like that. It's just going 456 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 3: to go to keep building systems of terror, systems of destruction, 457 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 3: because that is their stated goal in life. And they 458 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 3: haven't changed. They're not new people. They're actually the same 459 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 3: people with the same ideology, the same goals. And yet 460 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 3: now we're suddenly gonna I mean, think of what happened 461 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 3: when all that aid went to Gaza. What did the 462 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 3: Hamas people do with all that money. They didn't build 463 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 3: a beautiful community for the gas and people. 464 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: They build. 465 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 3: Touns, They built ton They built terror tunnels, you know, 466 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 3: more than the Tube in London. 467 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 4: So this is what when you give money. 468 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 3: To people who are who are radical Islamists bent on 469 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 3: your destruction, it makes no sense. 470 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 4: You know what they're going to spend it on? 471 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: Well exactly. 472 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: Let me add the other part that's in here is 473 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: multiple provisions that the United States will start removing immediately 474 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: economic sanctions and economic financing mechanisms that have been preventing 475 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: Iran from selling oil or using cash that was in 476 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: bangs overseas, and I think. 477 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: This is a little bit more expected that if the. 478 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: If the Iranians are gonna, you know, sign a good 479 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,719 Speaker 1: deal and it can be verified, then that they can 480 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: start to sell oil. I could be okay with that, 481 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: even releasing some funds, though I would say the funds 482 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: that have been frozen should go to pay for the 483 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: American military operation and help rebuild Israel and the Arab States. 484 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: I don't agree with the the three hundred million dollar 485 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,719 Speaker 1: rehabilitation fund at all, but you know, I think they 486 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: should be allowed to sell oil at some point if 487 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: they're keeping everything else. But this is why Iranians feel 488 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: so discouraged, horrified, betrayed and stuff. Because Trump was their hero. 489 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: He was coming to the rescue, he promised to. He 490 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: seemed to delay, but that was because he was negotiating 491 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: and building up forces, US forces and Allied forces in 492 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: the Gulf. And then even when it Iranians were getting 493 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: a little nervous, Israelians were getting nervous that Trump wasn't 494 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,959 Speaker 1: going to do anything, he moved. He pulled the trigger 495 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: as it were. But now, I mean we You and 496 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: I were with a very dear Iranian Shia Muslim background believer. 497 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: A convert to Christianity is someone that you discipled. And 498 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: we've been with other Iranians and been in contact with 499 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: other Iranian believers who are heartbroken and crestfallen because this 500 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: deal will inject three hundred or more billion, probably closer 501 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: to a half trillion dollars into a wicked regime that's 502 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: going to embolden them, and it seems unlikely, humanly speaking, 503 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: that this regime is going to fully collapse, and that's 504 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: a scary place to be. And then of course all 505 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: this money going to rebuild terror proxies and all the 506 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: rest make Israelis feel very nervous. So these are the 507 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: things that are both in the deal that give us 508 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: real concern and things that are not in the deal. Now, Lynn, 509 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: I was just on the set of TBN today with 510 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: somebody who's the president of a major think tank here 511 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: in Israel, and I was interviewing him about the deal, 512 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: and he certainly agreed with all my concerns and yours, 513 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: but he did say, listen, I don't think the Iranians 514 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: are gonna keep this deal. I mean, look, already in 515 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: recent weeks since the deal was signed on around June eighteenth, 516 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: I think it was you know, Iran is attacking ships 517 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: in the Gulf, and they're firing drones and missiles at 518 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: Americans and at the Kataris and the Bahrainis and the Amiradis, 519 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 1: and the United States under President Trump has started shooting back. 520 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: Just as we record this, the United States hit ten 521 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: Iranian targets overnight. His view is, first of all, he's encouraged. 522 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: While he shares the concerns that we have. He thinks 523 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: that what's going to happen is that this Iran is 524 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: never going to agree to a real deal, and that 525 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: Trump is going to try to negotiate that Trump is 526 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: putting Trump and Vance are putting sweeteners in upfront to 527 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: get Iran to quiet down, to stop shooting and then 528 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: go into negotiations. Why does he think that's happening, Because 529 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: he says, look at what's happening already. The stock market 530 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: in the United States has erupted and is over fifty thousand, 531 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: and so people's you know, IRA's and four o one 532 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: ks are getting better. Things are on the move on 533 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: the better. Oil prices have dropped below what they were 534 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: before February twenty eighth, when Operation Epic Furia began, which 535 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: means gas prices are coming down. We started to see 536 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: it just beginning to happen just as we were leaving 537 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: the United States, and the economy is growing. 538 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 2: So this guy's. 539 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 1: View doctor Dan Deyker of the Jerusalem Center for Security 540 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: and Foreign Affairs. 541 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: His view is that Trump is buying time. First. 542 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: He wants to use the deal to expose that Iran 543 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: isn't going to make a deal, and that things quiet 544 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: down in the United States as we go towards as 545 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: Americans go towards the midterm elections, in which Trump is 546 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: concerned that Republicans would be you would lose control of 547 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: the House and maybe even the Senate. Now, this is 548 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: not a political podcast, and the Joshua Fund is certainly 549 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: not a partisan organization, so we don't take a position 550 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: on the fortunes of the Republicans or the Democrats, or 551 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: Independence or anybody else. But his analysis was this is 552 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: a short term holding pattern to quiet things down, get 553 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: people to sort of forget about Israel for a while, 554 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: forget about Iran for a while, Let the economy recover, 555 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: let gas prices come down and put him and his 556 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: team in a better position politically. That may be true, 557 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: and then he could deal more confidently and maybe even 558 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: more tough in a tougher way with Iran after the 559 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: November elections, if he keeps control of the House and 560 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: send it. But that feels like a long way from 561 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: here to November. But I will say that Lynn, your's 562 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: my mutual friend John McLaughlin, who is a very respected 563 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: American polster and polls for President Trump and for. 564 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: Prime mister Yahoo. He just came out with a public poll, 565 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 2: not one. 566 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: Of his private polls, but a public poll that put 567 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: President Trump's approval ratings now at fifty percent, which is 568 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: the highest it's been in almost his entire first two 569 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: years in office, and support for the deal at fifty 570 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: one percent and only among Americans, and only thirty four 571 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: percent people disagreeing. So from an American perspective right now, 572 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: there seems to be growing confidence in the President and 573 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: this deal, again from people who aren't who haven't been 574 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: under missim attack admittedly, and aren't on the front lines 575 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: as we are in his Americans are looking at this 576 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: a little differently than I am, or that you are, 577 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: and that's just interesting. I want us to take a 578 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: few moments in close with talking about yes biblically. Prophetically, 579 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: we know that Israel will eventually be completely abandoned by 580 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: the world, certainly in the Gog and Magog environment where 581 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: Russia and Iran and Turkey and Sudan and all these 582 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: countries surround Israel in the end of days. We're not 583 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: there yet, but in that scenario in Ezekiel thirty eight 584 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: thirty nine, no country comes to Israel's aid. And so 585 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: this idea of all countries abandoning Israel seemed far fetch 586 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: you know, a while back before October seventh, and maybe 587 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: even a month ago. Now, even though I don't think 588 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: President Trump is actually trying to abandon Israel, I don't 589 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: believe that, but it feels that way. By this initial deal, 590 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: we could be trending to something really bad. And why 591 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: would that be? Why would God let that happen? Later 592 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: when you get to you know, the Battle Armageddon and 593 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: all the other end times events in the Book of Revelation, Well, 594 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: then not only is every nation not with Israel, every 595 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: nation is against Israel. 596 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 2: But we're not. We're not anywhere near there yet. 597 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: So I think it's important to remember that God is 598 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: going to let soddenly allow Israelis to feel abandoned at 599 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: some point in the last days, why to turn their 600 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: hearts to him. 601 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 602 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And it's wonderful that we can always turn to 603 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 3: God's word and see his promises to Israel, that his 604 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: love and his commitment to them is unshakable and unshaken 605 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 3: and eternal. 606 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 4: You know. 607 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: I think of even like in Isaiah fifty four, Chapter 608 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: fifty four of Isaiah, verse ten, it says, though the 609 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 3: mountains be shaken and the hills be removed, Yet my 610 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 3: unfailing love for you will not be shaken, nor my 611 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 3: covenant of peace be removed, says the Lord who has 612 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: compassion on you. He's speaking there to Israel, of course, 613 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 3: and just saying his love, his covenance, his plans, his compassion, 614 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 3: these things are unfailing. Nothing the whole world can fall 615 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 3: apart around us, but God's promises stand firm. So that's 616 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 3: great comfort. I mean, that's just one of, of course, 617 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 3: one hundreds of. 618 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me share. There's a couple other verses. 619 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: I think of Deuteronomy thirty one, where Moses turns one 620 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty and for his birthday, he gives a 621 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: message to all the nation of Israel, including his chief 622 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: deputy Joshua. And the Lord speaks through Moses to the 623 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: nation of Israel, and he says, be strong and courageous. 624 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: Don't be afraid or tremble at your enemies. For the Lord, 625 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: your God, is the one who goes with you. He 626 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: will not fail you or forsake you. And we see 627 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: this again in Joshua won five. No one will be 628 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: able to stand against you all the days of your life, 629 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: as I the Lord of speaking, as I was with Moses, 630 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: so I will be with you. I will never leave 631 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: you nor forsake you. David tells Solomon, his son in 632 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: First Chronicles twenty eight. Be strong and courageous and do 633 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: the work right. Don't be afraid or discouraged. For the 634 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: Lord God, my God, is with you. He will not 635 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 1: fail you or forsake you. And we see that Psalm 636 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: fifty five, verse twenty two. Cast all your cares on 637 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,399 Speaker 1: the Lord, and he will sustain you. He will never 638 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: let the righteous be shaken. Maybe two more from the 639 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: New Testament Matthew twenty eight famously, Jesus says to his disciples, right, 640 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: all authority has been given to me in heaven and 641 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: on earth. So go and make disciples of all nations, 642 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: baptizing them in the name of the Father and the 643 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey everything 644 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: I've commanded to you, really, from Genesis to Revelation, the 645 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,520 Speaker 1: whole counsel of God. And lo, I am with you always, 646 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: even to the end of the age. John fourteen eight. 647 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: Jesus speaking to the disciples, I will not leave you 648 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: as orphans. I will come to you. And finally, I 649 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: guess I'll add one more Hebrews thirteen to five, the 650 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,879 Speaker 1: writer of Hebrew, citing the Old Testament passages, saying, God 651 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: has said, never will I leave you, Never will I 652 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 1: forsake you. So both to the nation of Israel, the 653 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: leaders of Israel, and then to the followers of Jesus, 654 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 1: the followers of the Jewish Israeli Messiah. God is very clear, 655 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: I'm not going. 656 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 2: To abandon you. 657 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: You're going to face many troubles and trials and tribulations 658 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: in this world, but I'm with you. I'll give you peace. 659 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: I'll give you peace that passes all understanding and you 660 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: can trust me. And I think ultimately, yes, God oversees 661 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: the protection and the security and the prosperity of Israel, Yes, 662 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: but sometimes he lets us struggle. Why because we're so 663 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: far from him as a nation. Thank God that you know, 664 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: there are people in Israel who love Jesus and the 665 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: number is growing, and the Joshua invests in them, encourages them, 666 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: prays for them, visits them, learned from them, teaches them. 667 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: And that's why we want people to be part of 668 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 1: the Joshua Fund, be epicenter allies and make donations and pray. 669 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 1: And yet we have to remember that most of this 670 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: country doesn't see it yet. 671 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 2: That's why this work of the Joshua Fund is so important. 672 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: But it's also just we have to remember God is 673 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: not always going to make things feel comfy and safe 674 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 1: and cozy for a people that He's longing to draw 675 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: to himself. But they're acting like they don't need a 676 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: shepherd in. 677 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 2: A world full of wolves. I'll give you the last word, Lynn. 678 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 4: Yes, well, that's the thing. 679 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 3: You know, we need to be praying, praying for the 680 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 3: people of Israel. You know, President Trump said something that 681 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 3: was really, really startling to me. He said at one 682 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 3: point in the last few weeks, there would be no 683 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 3: Israel if it wasn't for him, And I thought, oh boy, 684 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 3: you know, God is the one who protects Israel, right, 685 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 3: We know that the defender of Israel neither slumber or sleeps. 686 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 3: And presidents and prime ministers and kings rise and fall, 687 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 3: but it's God that holds the times in his hands, 688 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 3: and it's God that's going to determine what happens. And 689 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 3: so there's nobody that can make that claim on this earth. 690 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 3: And so we just need to always be reminded who 691 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 3: we serve, what kingdom were part of, and that that 692 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 3: king is coming back soon. 693 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 1: And men, and let's be praying for the president and 694 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: for the Vice president. I think these are good men. 695 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: I think they mean well. I think they've gotten a 696 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: lot done that we never would have imagined that they 697 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:35,359 Speaker 1: would do. 698 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 2: And I think that's because of prayer. 699 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: And I think even jocals in the United States and 700 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: all over the world need to keep praying, but not 701 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: put our trust in Trump or Vance or Secretary of Rubio. 702 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: By the way, I think there's tensions between Vance's advice 703 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: to the President and Secretary of Rubio's advice to the 704 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: president another topic for another day. The Apostle Paul, in 705 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 1: this case tells us in one Timothy to pray for 706 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,000 Speaker 1: our leaders and why so that we will need tranquil 707 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,280 Speaker 1: and quiet lives and be able to share the Gospel 708 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 1: with others and make disciples. 709 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,240 Speaker 2: And I think. 710 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: In a moment when we feel rattled, we need to 711 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: go back to first principles, what's true? 712 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 2: What do we know is true? 713 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: We know that God loves us, he won't fail us, 714 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 1: he won't forsake us. And when people feel abandoned and 715 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: they feel forsaken, we need to show extra kindness, extra compassion, 716 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 1: and be prayerful and and also show up. You know, 717 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: a lot of life is just needing to show up 718 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,760 Speaker 1: and be there. And that's why I want to encourage 719 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: people as we close come with us to Israel. I 720 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: think overall things are getting much quieter, and I think, 721 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: regardless of how these things have play out, it is 722 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: most likely that by next spring, things are going to 723 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: be just beautiful here in Israel. I don't know what 724 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: the political situation will be, but that's part of what 725 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 1: the Epicenter Summit will be about. Both President, Isaac Herzog, 726 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: is Raeli President, sharing his perspective. The US Ambassador to Israel, 727 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: Mike Huckabe, who has just been a real mensch, a 728 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: real gem through this all. 729 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 2: He's going to give us his perspective. 730 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: Then we're going to have and Graham Lots and Greg 731 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: Lorii and Skip Heitzik and Jack Graham, myself and a 732 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: few others that we're not ready to announce, you sharing 733 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,439 Speaker 1: how is the region change, how is israall change? 734 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,440 Speaker 2: But also what hasn't changed? 735 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 1: And how does God's word apply more than ever in 736 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: the Epicenter. 737 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,399 Speaker 2: We want you to come. 738 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: We want you to come on the josh Fund tour, 739 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,680 Speaker 1: and we want you to come therefore to the Epicenter Summit. 740 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 1: And you can find out all those details at Joshua 741 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,080 Speaker 1: fund dot com. You can become an Epicenter ally, I 742 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: become a donor of fifty dollars a month or more. 743 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 2: That would be super helpful. 744 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,760 Speaker 1: And I also want to mention to pastors or ministry 745 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: leaders who are listening, who are thinking, well, I don't 746 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,479 Speaker 1: want to go on your tour, Joel and Lynn, although 747 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: I'd love to come to the summit. I'd like to 748 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,400 Speaker 1: bring my own group or a small group of leaders 749 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,399 Speaker 1: and their spouses. You can also find out details on 750 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: the website at Joshua fund dot com on how to 751 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: do that as well and how to get tickets for 752 00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:58,479 Speaker 1: your group. 753 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 2: We would love to encourage that please join us. Thank 754 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 2: you well, Lenna's it's great to be back in Israel, 755 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 2: and I'm glad we were able to process these big. 756 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: Momentous moments, and I'm glad we've had some time not 757 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: to react quickly. 758 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,240 Speaker 2: There's been a lot of motion. 759 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: In recent weeks about this deal, for good and bad, 760 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: and I think it's good that we've taken a little 761 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 1: bit of time to process it and kind of watch 762 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: it play out a bit. But we did want to 763 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: not let any more time go by for and to 764 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: share our thoughts with our listeners and viewers. 765 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,479 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Lena. 766 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,399 Speaker 1: Is great to be with you and we'll look forward 767 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: to having you all back with us on the next 768 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 2: Episode of Inside the Epicenter.