1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life audio. 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 2: Have you ever wondered why trauma seems to leave lasting 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: marks on your mind, heart, and even relationships. In today's conversation, 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: I sit down with doctor j Otis Ledbetter, author of 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: Set Free, Released from the Damage of Trauma, to uncover 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 2: how we can overcome the destructive effects of trauma and 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: move towards God's peace and restoration. Drawing from scripture and 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 2: real life experiences, doctor Ledbetter reveals how even biblical heroes 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,959 Speaker 2: wrestled with trauma and how we can learn from their 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: stories to create tranquil paths of healing and wholeness. 11 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: If you've been searching for. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: Hope after loss, abuse, crisis, or disappointment, this episode will 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: encourage you that freedom is possible. Welcome to your hope 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: filled perspective, where it's always our goal to restore hope, 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: renew minds, and empower listeners to live in your God 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: given identity. I'm your host, doctor Michelle bankson Board, certified 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: clinical neuropsychologist, author and partner in your journey for our mental, emotional, 18 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: and spiritual wellness. I'm delighted you've chosen to spend a 19 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: few minutes of your week with us. Today We're going 20 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: to be talking about how to overcome the lasting damage 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: of trauma through God's word. We will dive right into 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: that after this brief word from our sponsor. Trauma is 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: something every person will face at some point in life, 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: yet few know how to walk through it in a healthy, 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: hope filled way. On this episode of Your Hope Field Perspective, 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: I welcome pastor, counselor and author, doctor j Otis Ledbetter 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: to discuss his latest book, Set Free, Released from the 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: Damage of Trauma. With over fifty years of counseling experience, 29 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: doctor Ledbetter offers biblical wisdom, practical steps, and compassionate insight 30 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: for those who feel stuck in isolation, despair, and fear 31 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: after trauma. Together, we will explore how God's word provides 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: answers that lead us out of anguish and into healing, purpose, 33 00:01:58,720 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: and freedom. 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: In this episode of. 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: Your Hope Filled Perspective, we will talk about how to 36 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: overcome the lasting damage of trauma through God's word. And 37 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: speaking of God's Word, I wanted to choose a scripture 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: that I think a test to the theme of today's program, 39 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: and the Lord put Isaiah sixty one, verse one on 40 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 2: my heart. He has sent me to bind up the 41 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the 42 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: opening of the prison to those who are bound. Doctor 43 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: j Otis Ledbetter is an author, conference speaker, and lead 44 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: pastor at Sunrise Church in Clovis, California. He holds a 45 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: Doctor of Ministry degree from Liberty University, Go Flames, and 46 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: he's the author of Set Free, Released from the Damage 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: of Trauma. 48 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: Welcome Doctor Ledbetter. 49 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me such a pleasure, heard so 50 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: much about you. 51 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: Thank you. 52 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: I appreciate that I was chuckling a little bit when 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 2: I saw that you got your degree from Liberty University, 54 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: because I have a graduate who just graduated from LU 55 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: this past spring. 56 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: So it's fun to have another flame on the show. 57 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 3: Congraduates. It's a great school. 58 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: It is a good school. 59 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: It's one of those schools that every time I visit, 60 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: I could just sense the Lord's presence hovering there. It 61 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: made me want to go back to school. And I 62 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: already have more alphabet soup after my name. 63 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: Than most people. Different out, Doctor Lebtter. 64 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: We have seen depression and suicide increase, especially among teens. 65 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: What do you make of this trend? 66 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: Well, we live in a dark world, and I'm in 67 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 3: my seventh decade, and so I've seen a lot. I've 68 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: pastored this church for our pastor now for forty years, 69 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 3: and I've seen a lot when I started pastoring forty 70 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 3: years ago. It's not the same. You don't cover the subjects. 71 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: You cover the same subjects, but you don't cover them 72 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 3: the same way. It's different because we live in a 73 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: different world. We lived in a world where, well, I 74 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: was raised in a world where it was assumed there 75 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: was a god. Nobody, hardly anybody ever doubted it. Now 76 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: we live in the world is that assumes there isn't one, 77 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 3: and so you don't have point A to start with 78 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 3: at that point. So you have to create that point a. 79 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: And the cause of it the darkness. The only thing 80 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: the world's the world's idea of how to get cope 81 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: with the darkness is death. If you don't want this baby, 82 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: death is possible if you don't want to live anymore. 83 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 3: You can choose suicide if you don't. And it's almost 84 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: the kids accept that. And when I sit down and 85 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 3: I talk to them in a counseling manner, they they 86 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 3: have friends who have they know of friends who know 87 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: of somebody who has tried that and been successful at it. 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: So it's an option for them where it used to 89 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: be an option. So we have to take that option 90 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: off the table and go for life to get up 91 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: the next day. For a kid who is suffering from trauma. 92 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 3: And if I could, if I could define trauma first, 93 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 3: because with what I'm saying, will go with how I 94 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: define it. Many people think that trauma is an event. 95 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 3: There are traumatic events, and I don't know anybody that 96 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: I've ever met who hasn't been through some sort of 97 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: traumatic event. Everybody has. You might call it garden variety, 98 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 3: not the clinical somebody has to go to a clinician for. 99 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: But everybody suffered some sort of trauma, some event. But 100 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: out of everybody who has suffered trauma. Doctor Phil Monroe, 101 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: his statistic is, out of every three that suffer an event, 102 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: only one suffers trauma. He says, because trauma is not 103 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: the event, trauma is the chronic reaction to that event. 104 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: So trauma is ongoing. An event can happen and then 105 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 3: it can be in your past. You may never forget it, 106 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 3: but it no longer identifies you, and it no longer 107 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 3: points the direction that you should go whether life or death. 108 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 3: And I think this has been true in the spiritual 109 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: world all the way back to when Joshua said, God's 110 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 3: calling you. You have a choice. Today, blessings are cursing 111 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: life or death. I'm telling you to choose lie yes, 112 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 3: And I think that's the same thing we have with 113 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 3: the darkness that we see lying foul words. We live 114 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 3: in a world that I knew nothing about when I 115 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 3: was going to school. And our kids, we see our 116 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 3: kids and they take that as a choice. So I 117 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 3: have to take that option off the tables for them. 118 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 2: Can you give an overview of symptoms of trauma? 119 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? I took those symptoms and they really fall into 120 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 3: a pattern. I think the first emotion that somebody bases 121 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: after a traumatic event is fear. That fear, the fear 122 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: of loss. Mary and Martha they lost their brother, and 123 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 3: that wasn't just a brother, that was financial security, that 124 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 3: was their future life. In that culture, the male had 125 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 3: all of the advantages the female did not. And with 126 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 3: Mary and Martha, the anxiety surrounding Lazarus's dead and uncertainty 127 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: and a future without him, And so fear comes in first. 128 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: And then if you'd allow fear to stay very long, 129 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: it turns into anxiety and anxiety. In the book I 130 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: use Job. First three chapters of the book of Job 131 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: are nothing but traumatic events that I hope nobody suffers, 132 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 3: but he suffered them one ride after another. And then 133 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 3: the next twenty seven chapters are him dealing with anxiety, 134 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 3: and they use the word anguish in there. Anxiety calls anguish, 135 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: but his anxiety. Then he was on a search to 136 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 3: assuage that anxiety, and he had friends that gave him 137 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: bad information. Yes, you know, there's always armshare counselors. Yes, 138 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: be careful. I tell you your listeners, be careful of 139 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 3: the armchair counselor. Some of them are really good, some 140 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: of them aren't. And for Job, he had some armchair counselors. 141 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: They paid for the bad advice they gave. And then 142 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 3: God said, Okay, I'm going to assuage your anxiety. But 143 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: fear will take you into anxiety. Anxiety will take you 144 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: to a place. I call it mood swings, our moodiness. 145 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 3: And in mood swings, you are not yourself. You are 146 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: that emotion that you have swung to. Whether you've heard 147 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 3: people say I don't even know them anymore, I don't 148 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 3: even know who they are. Well, that's where probably where 149 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 3: they are. They're in this mood swing. And I talk 150 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 3: about Joseph's journey now that I had several to look at, 151 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 3: but I took Joseph because he had a lot of 152 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 3: mood swings and his brothers didn't like him, and he 153 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: must have been a favorite of Dad, and the only 154 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: way to get rid of him was death. And one decided, no, 155 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: not death, let's just selling. Let's get some money for him. 156 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: But his mood swing ruined his relationship with his brothers, 157 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: caused them to traumatically put him in a traumatic situation. 158 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: And we need to explore how feelings like feelings of 159 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: superiority are that sort of thing can lead you to 160 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 3: the next mood swings when you're not yourself, and then 161 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: people will begin to reject you. And when they reject 162 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: you because you're not the person that they first met, 163 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: then you will go into isolation. So fearly anxiety, anxiety 164 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 3: leads to mood swings. Mood swings will lead you into isolation. 165 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: And I talk about Elijah isolation. He come to play 166 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: in suicide. Well, he's one of our great heroes of 167 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: the faith, and he was scared to death of Jezebel, 168 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: and he ran with his servant until he couldn't run 169 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 3: any longer, and he told his servants to stay here, 170 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: and he ran another day, another day's journey, and was 171 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: so exhausted he laid under a broom tree and with 172 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: thoughts of I need to exit, and he told God, 173 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: I'm no better than my father's poor fathers, I'm no 174 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: better than my generation. Just take my life. Let's get 175 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: out of here. That's where in darkness. As I said earlier, 176 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 3: that's where we are. We go there because it's dark 177 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: and so you and you know, doctor, that isolation brings 178 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 3: the worst. It brings hopelessness, and it brings despair, loss 179 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: of purpose. I counsel a lot of older folks now 180 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 3: who go into what we call existential despair. They lose, 181 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 3: they lose all purpose, They don't know why they exist. 182 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 3: And that's what isolation does to desperation and hopelessness that 183 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 3: you would take, you would do something to take your life. 184 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: And when you get through that and you know, well 185 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 3: that's not going to work, then the next thing it'll 186 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: take you to is lying, denying truth. Peter did that 187 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: there was nobody closer to Peter. And when he saw 188 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: the traumatic event of who he hooked his star too 189 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 3: for three years his wagon to that star and they 190 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: took him off, they were going to kill him. It 191 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 3: frightened him. He went through all these things we're talking about, 192 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 3: and very quickly. And when he got there and they 193 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: accused him, he denied christ Three times. He lied, and 194 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 3: lying is you can almost understand it because lying helps 195 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: you create a safe place, even though there's no such 196 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: safe place. We have young kids who lie about who 197 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 3: they are, their gender, They know, they deep down they know. 198 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 3: And I know this is true because I've counseled a 199 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: lot and I've seen a lot of them go there 200 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 3: and come back and they they tell you one girl, 201 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 3: the latest one. Her dad asked her, well, actually it 202 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: was her. Grandpa asked her what were you? What were 203 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: now that you're back over here, what were you thinking? 204 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 3: And she said, Grandpa just grew up. That was her. 205 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: She was deceived. She believed it. She had some traumatic 206 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 3: things in her life and she needed a safe place, 207 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: and lying she could create a character that you could 208 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 3: not bring trauma to. So if I'm what she called, 209 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 3: she said, call me LEVI. And since I won't say 210 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 3: her name. Let's let's let's call her Jane Doe. But 211 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: Jane Doe can suffer trauma, leave I can't. 212 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 2: And so I think people of faith tend to be 213 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: more reluctant to acknowledge their trauma. 214 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: I do, I really do. I think so because we 215 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: haven't imaged up hope. If I'm a Christian, I don't 216 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 3: have problems. I think that's kind of a safe place. Yeah, yeah, 217 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: that we that that we we try to create. So yeah, 218 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: all of those that's where trauma leads. And that's what 219 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: I've seen. Trauma in and of itself is not bad. 220 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: You can learn a lot from opposition and from hurt, 221 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 3: you can you can learn a lot. In fact, I 222 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 3: don't know of much that's ever really happened with significance 223 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 3: in the world that wasn't someplace opposed heavily opposition. And 224 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 3: but some people just can't handle it, and so they 225 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 3: the fear comes and then they get in this cycle. 226 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 3: And you know, I've met a lot of pastor's kids. 227 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: I'm a pastor's kid, and so I know what this is. 228 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 3: Because that's a tough thing. You have an image to uphold. 229 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 3: Nothing can be wrong in your family. So you got 230 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 3: to deny that anything's wrong. When the truth is what heals. 231 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 3: God does not heal deceit. He heals truth. 232 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: That's so good. It is truth that heals. 233 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: And it is for truth that Christ came to set 234 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: us free to speak truth. And when he left, he 235 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 2: gave us the Holy Spirit to remind us of truth. Friends, 236 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: we're going to take a real short break for a 237 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 2: word from our sponsor, but I want you to stick 238 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: with us because doctor Ludbetter is going to share more 239 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: about how to overcome the lasting damage of trauma through 240 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: God's word. 241 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: We'll be right back doctor Luedbetter. You right. 242 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: You don't stumble across a happy life. 243 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: You create it. How do you do this? 244 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 3: You be intentional. I love that word. The one word 245 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: for parents to pass the heritage to their children their 246 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: faith is intentionality. Just do something. Don't think it can 247 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 3: be done by accident. Be intentional. And when you're intentional, 248 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: great things. 249 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: Happen, absolutely and we are called to that. There are 250 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 2: so many examples of that in scripture. When God says 251 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: to take every thought captive, that's not going to happen 252 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 2: unless we're intentional. When it says to love your neighbor. 253 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: We have to be intentional when God tells us to forgive, 254 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: that really requires intentionality. Will you talk for a moment 255 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: about what you mean by the trauma of the unknown? 256 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 3: Yes? And I try to explain it in a story 257 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: in the book where the ancient cartographers when they were 258 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: first drawing the maps mapping out the world, they didn't 259 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: know where things were. And these explorers, God bless them, 260 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 3: those courageous people who'd get on a ship would go 261 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 3: into the waters and really not know what was what 262 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 3: is out thereographers, because they didn't know what was out 263 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: there on those maps, they would put here be dragons, 264 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: here be fiery serpents, And anybody that picked up that map, 265 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 3: you know, the photographers, they can't be wrong. So there 266 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 3: must be dragons out there, and there must be fiery 267 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: serpents out there. So they went to it didn't bother them. 268 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: They went ahead to meet those dragons. Were there dragons 269 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 3: out there? And hope they weren't? Were they fiery serpents? Nope, 270 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: they were not. And I think people are traumatized by 271 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: what is not isn't what they say. Ninety some percent 272 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 3: of what you worried about never happens. Yes. The trauma 273 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: of the unknown is I think the most guarded variety 274 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: trauma you can have, and it's saying that it is. 275 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how we get, we still do it. 276 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: We still do it. When we were building this latest 277 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: building here on the property, we have a private school, 278 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: five six hundred students and we were building a building. 279 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: Well at night, when I lay my head down trying 280 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 3: to get some rest, all of those problems come in 281 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: and then you think about what all is going to happen. 282 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: It's it hasn't happened, but your mind tells you it's 283 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: going to yes, and it keeps you away. That's the 284 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: trauma of the unknown. How why do we allow what 285 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: hasn't happened yet to cause trauma? And that's you've got 286 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: to test for young people. You've got a final exam tomorrow. 287 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: You don't sleep because of what you think might happen. 288 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 3: It could happen, even to the point of the professor 289 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: won't like your answer, and even though it's a right answer. 290 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: And I've heard college students tell me that that's the 291 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: trauma of the unknown, and it really creates something. Doctor Levy, 292 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: I think her name is jan Levy Jane Levy, when 293 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 3: I was writing this book, she had the best definition 294 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 3: of trauma that I had ever that I ever read. 295 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: This is how she defined it. She said, trauma fractures 296 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: comprehension as a pebble shatters of when she the wound 297 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 3: at the side of impact spreads across the field of vision, 298 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 3: obscuring reality and challenging belief. And that is exactly what 299 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: it does. Even those things that aren't happening to us 300 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, that's the unknown. 301 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: No, how does defining the faults of others actually define 302 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 2: who we are? 303 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 3: And you're certainly familiar with this, but maybe some of 304 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 3: your listeners Aren't's called transference. Yes, we lay on people 305 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 3: what we see them doing, and we're going to be 306 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: critical of what they're doing, and we lay on them 307 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 3: what we would do if we were in that situation. 308 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 3: So then we accuse them already in our hearts and 309 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 3: our minds of doing that because that's what we would do. 310 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 3: And so when you criticize somebody like that, when you 311 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: look at somebody and you start transferring, you don't have 312 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 3: the you don't have fact, you just are guessing. Then 313 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: what you're guessing is from your experience. So what you're 314 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: telling me is who you are, not who they are, 315 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 3: because they haven't done that yet, but you you see, 316 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 3: that's where they're going to land. So that transference, it 317 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 3: really identifies you, It sure does them. 318 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 2: Why do we tend to withdraw from others, including those 319 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: who love us, when we've been through trauma. 320 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: I don't think we have answers, And I think the 321 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 3: hardest thing when somebody really loves you and wants to know. 322 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 3: Like this young girl that I was talking about her grandpa, 323 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: he said, you may not know who you are, but 324 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: I know who you are, So I'm not gonna lie 325 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 3: to you. That's a difficult thing, but truth it heals, 326 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 3: It will heal eventually everything. 327 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 2: Friends, We're going to take a short break for a 328 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: word from our sponsor, but stick with us because as 329 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 2: we wrap up this episode, I'm going to ask doctor 330 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: Ledbetter to share a hope filled perspective about how to 331 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: overcome the lasting damage of trauma. 332 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: We'll be right back, doctor Ledbetter. 333 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: For our listeners who perhaps when you gave some of 334 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 2: the signs and symptoms of trauma, maybe they're resonating. Do 335 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: you have any steps that they can begin today? To 336 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: start overcoming the lasting damage of trauma. 337 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 3: I would hope that that they would seek the spiritual part. 338 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 3: I know with trauma we talk about the physical and 339 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 3: the emotional and the social issues. Don't leave off the spiritual. 340 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 3: Because there is a God who loves you, and he 341 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 3: is a God of hope, so much so that he 342 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 3: told Jeremiah, who wrote lamentations, and Jeremiah was a weeping 343 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 3: prophet his life. If you're a weeping prophet, your life's 344 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 3: not very good, if you know what I mean. And 345 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 3: he told he told him this, He said, I have 346 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 3: new mercies every morning for you. In the Hebrew, that 347 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 3: word new is not how we would describe new. That 348 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: in the Hebrew, that word new means unique. I have 349 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: unique mercies only for you, and they're new every morning. 350 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 3: I'm not giving you warmed over mercies. I'm giving you new, 351 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: unique mercies that you're going to need for today. So 352 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 3: whatever happened to you back here, forget it. But you've 353 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: got new mercies today. You've got new ones, and they're 354 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 3: unique for you. I don't think I could have more 355 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 3: hope than that. When I wake up in the morning 356 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 3: and say, thank you Lord, how are they getting those 357 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: new unique mercy. 358 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: How amazing to think, though, that they are unique to 359 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: each one of us, and God knows us so intimately 360 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: that he knows what we need and willingly provides it. 361 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 2: We're getting close to the end of this episode, but 362 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 2: I just wonder if you could offer a few thoughts 363 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: on how we can utilize God's word to heal from 364 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 2: the devastating impact of previous trauma. 365 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: It is healing, it is, it is healing, and he comes, 366 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,400 Speaker 3: the Bible says, with healing in his wings. That's that's 367 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: another Union saying. When the lady with an issue of 368 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 3: blood and Jesus was passing, she touched the him of 369 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: his garment. Well, the hymn of the garment of the 370 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 3: priests were called wings, and there is and I don't 371 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: have the prophecy, but that healing and the wings and 372 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 3: the prophecy was fulfilled by that lady who reached out 373 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 3: and she touched the hymn of his garment. She actually 374 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: touched the wing of his garment. And there's power in 375 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 3: that way. If you read the Hebrew, they use the 376 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: word wing and they say there's healing and there's power 377 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 3: in it. And she knew there was the word of 378 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 3: Jesus is the word. He is the word. John One 379 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: One tells us that he's the creator and nothing exists 380 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: that exists that he didn't make, and so he has 381 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 3: the healing, he has the power, and he says he 382 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: gives us the most emotional, the most emotional. The word 383 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 3: slips me what it is has come to me. He says, 384 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 3: come to me invitation, the most emotional invitation. Come to me. 385 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 3: If you're weary, if you're every lady, I'll give you rest. 386 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 3: He didn't say I'll rescue you. He's not going to 387 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 3: rescue you, but he's going to give you a place 388 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 3: of rest. You don't need to lie to create that 389 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: place of safety. He's going to give it to you. 390 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 3: And so why would we go to science or why 391 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 3: would we go anywhere else? First? Why wouldn't we go 392 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: to the one that says I made everything. I've got 393 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 3: unique mercies for you, and there's healing in my wings. 394 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 3: And if you want healing, that's the first place to go. 395 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 3: And that's real hope. 396 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 2: That's the only place that hope is going to be 397 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: sustained is through our heavenly Father and going to his word, 398 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 2: doctor ledbetter. If a listener is resonating with our conversation today, 399 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: What hope filled perspective do you want to leave them with? 400 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: Be intentional about your relationship with Jesus. Read his word, 401 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 3: talk to him. I like what Max Lucto said. He said, 402 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 3: if you serve a God who would rather go to 403 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 3: hell with you than to heaven without you. That is true, 404 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 3: and I believe it is. Then why would we go 405 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 3: anywhere else? Go first to the scriptures, and then we'll 406 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 3: go to science, and then we'll go to education, and 407 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: we'll go to the social and the emotional and all 408 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 3: of that, but spiritual first. 409 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: Would you be willing to pray for our listeners or 410 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 2: viewers who are watching or listening today who have experienced 411 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: some trauma and want exactly what you've been talking about. 412 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 3: Indeed, Holy Father, you gave us such an emotional invitation 413 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 3: to come to you, and you said if we do, 414 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: you would not turn us away, that you would welcome us. Lord. 415 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 3: I'm thinking of that person out there today that I've 416 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 3: met so many times in my ministry who is either 417 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 3: on the edge of darkness or one step more and 418 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 3: they'll be there, and or they're seeking to find find something. 419 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 3: I pray that you would draw them bothered and they 420 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 3: would feel that drawing toward you. I pray they would 421 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 3: have courage enough to take that step towards you and 422 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 3: find healing. Nobody in this life, Father, has escaped the 423 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: perils that come with a fallen world. We live in 424 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 3: a fallen world. We live in a broken world. They'll 425 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 3: be broken marriages, they'll be broken relationships, they'll be broken 426 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: financial issues, they'll be even in and of ourselves, we 427 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 3: are broken, and so many are. And for them, a father, 428 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 3: I pray they will understand that you have a unique 429 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 3: mercy for them today, that they will approach you, that 430 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 3: they will seek it, that they'll be intentional. Just take 431 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: the step. The second one will be easy. I pray 432 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 3: you're not willing that any should perish. I pray that 433 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 3: you would draw them they would listen, and healing and 434 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: hope would come into their life even this day, perhaps 435 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 3: even as we speak. And I ask it in the 436 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: precious and the wonderful name of Jesus, Amen better. 437 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: It's been a delight. 438 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on the program to share your wisdom, 439 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: your expertise, and hope for those who have endured trauma. 440 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 3: Franks thank you for having me. 441 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: It's been a delight. Friends. I hope that there was 442 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: something in. 443 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:18,479 Speaker 2: Today's episode that encouraged you that has renewed your hope. 444 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: As Doctor Ledbetter shared, trauma is going to happen, and 445 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 2: sometimes we can't prevent it, but we can choose how 446 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: to respond to it. And there is hope and healing 447 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 2: in the presence of Jesus and his Holy Word. If 448 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: you know someone who's struggling to overcome past trauma, would 449 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 2: you consider sharing this episode of your hope Field perspective 450 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 2: to give them a biblically based hope Field perspective. I 451 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,320 Speaker 2: look forward to bringing you another episode next week, but 452 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: until then, it's my prayer for you that you have 453 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: a hope Field week. 454 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: Do you know that depression is now our greatest epidemic worldwide? 455 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 4: It is greater than heart disease, cancer, and AIDS all 456 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 4: put together. 457 00:25:59,320 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: That is Dawn. 458 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 4: Have you ever looked for resources? You will find that 459 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 4: there is a scarcity of biblically based resources that identify 460 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 4: the spiritual component that will help individuals cope with depression, 461 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 4: or resources or their loved ones who are trying to 462 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 4: support them throughout. Doctor Benkson's thirty year career, she has 463 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 4: treated thousands of individuals with depression and has suffered from 464 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: it herself. Out of her suffering, she has come to 465 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 4: understand the great need to address the spiritual dimension of 466 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 4: depression belong with the physiological and emotional components. In her 467 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 4: award winning book, Hope Prevails, Insights from a doctor's personal 468 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 4: journey through depression, she describes her experiences. She combines her 469 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 4: decades of professional expertise in mental health along with her 470 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 4: personal insights to help you, for reader, overcome depression's grip. 471 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 4: You can find Hope Prevails at Amazon dot com, in 472 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 4: other fine online retailers, or through her website, doctor michelbe 473 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 4: dot com. Please get your copy today and begin healing 474 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 4: from depression. Here's what doctor Neil Anderson, founder of Freedom 475 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 4: and Christ Ministries, had to say about her book. It 476 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 4: is refreshing to have a board certified neuropsychologist acknowledged the 477 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 4: spiritual component of depression, but it is even more impressive 478 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 4: that doctor Benkson be willing to share her own story 479 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 4: through the fog of despair. Her personal insights are invaluable 480 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 4: for those who are struggling with what is often described 481 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 4: as the common cold of mental illness. Thank you for 482 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 4: joining doctor Bankson for your hope build perspective. 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