1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life audio. 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: Hi from the Salvation Army. You're listening to Words of Life. 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 3: These are the words are the Life. 4 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 4: Hey, welcome back to Words of Life. Today is our 5 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 4: third episode with our panel of ministry leaders who all 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 4: work in some of society's most difficult challenges. In this episode, 7 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 4: we discuss refugees. There's a lot of stigma and misinformation 8 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 4: surrounding this topic, but today Major Sandra Prowar helps us 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 4: shine a light on the real human story of what 10 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 4: actually causes a family to flee their homeland and what 11 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 4: the church's role should be in responding with compassion, wisdom, 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 4: and the love of Christ. 13 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:17,839 Speaker 5: There's quite a few things that cause families to flee 14 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 5: their homeland, things like war, persecution, violence, poverty, climate change. 15 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 5: All those things definitely play a part in why a 16 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 5: family or an individual would choose to leave where they 17 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 5: originated from. And I say choose very loosely, because I 18 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 5: don't think anyone really chooses to leave a place that 19 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 5: they love and that is their home. But often they 20 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 5: feel like there's no other choice but to leave. 21 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 4: Why do you think refugees are often maybe misunderstood or 22 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 4: even dehumanized that there's definitely a large lack of education 23 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 4: and understanding. But what do you think is the source of. 24 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 5: That that you said it? It's lack of education and understanding. 25 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 5: And I can even think, you know about myself. I 26 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 5: didn't know anything about refugees or immigration or asylum seekis. 27 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 5: I was somebody who was going through an immigration process 28 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 5: about twenty years ago, had come into America, like what 29 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 5: I would say, legally through the system, and then had 30 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 5: to leave the country for a year because my visa 31 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 5: had expired. And I remember I was just very upset 32 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 5: that I was hearing about other people being able to 33 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 5: come in or they'd come in illegally and things like that, 34 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 5: and I just thought it was a very simple policy 35 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 5: issue and that people were just not doing things the 36 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 5: right way. But then I went to the UK and 37 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 5: while I was there, I was invited to a memorial 38 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 5: service for a person that I didn't actually know whose 39 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 5: it was that I was going to. I was just 40 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 5: invited to go, and it was for this little boy 41 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 5: named Alan Curdi who was two years old. He was 42 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 5: fleeing from Syria with his family and he was washed 43 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 5: up on a beach in Turkey. His story like hit 44 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 5: the world and hit the news and the headlines. And 45 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 5: that's when I learn about the refugee crisis and why 46 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 5: people flee and why people have to leave their homelands. 47 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 5: And it disturbed me. I call it a holy disturbance, 48 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 5: like God just really shook me, and he said, I 49 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 5: want you to learn about this issue. People are just 50 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 5: afraid because they don't understand. They haven't met anyone personally, 51 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 5: they haven't listened to their stories. They've listened to what 52 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 5: the media says, what politicians say, without looking at facts, 53 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 5: without really researching, and then we all hype each other 54 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 5: up to get on this bandwagon. And you know, I 55 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 5: do understand that there is fear sometimes when you don't 56 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 5: know people, you don't know where they come from, you 57 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 5: don't know their culture, and you fear that they might 58 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 5: take your jobs, they might come into your country and 59 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 5: bring violence. But again, that's just a lack of understanding 60 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 5: about what is really happening and a fear that is 61 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 5: man made. 62 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: I believe. 63 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 4: So, hey, you're listening to the Salvation Armies words of life. 64 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 4: We're going to take a quick ad break and we'll 65 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 4: be right back. I can't imagine the circumstances that you 66 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 4: would have to be in. That's literally life and death. 67 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 4: Your best chance of survival for you and your family 68 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: is to leave that country. What do you do? 69 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 5: My friendship degree is on a mission trip to the 70 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 5: Salvation Amy who were working with refugees in Athens, hearing 71 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 5: stories of why families left. I remember sitting on the 72 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 5: stairs in front of the Salvation Mi crisis center and 73 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 5: listening to this twelve year old boy I'm share about 74 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 5: watching his family get blown up and having to run 75 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 5: from that and going with another family that he didn't 76 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 5: even know, and being on a boat with them just 77 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 5: to survive. And this family like taking him in and 78 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,559 Speaker 5: taking care of him. Or a family in Iran who 79 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 5: owned this really popular restaurant and he was like the 80 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 5: talk of the town. But then the people in the 81 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 5: militia in that town found out that they were a 82 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 5: Christian family and decided to let them know that if 83 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 5: they did not leave that they would kill them. And 84 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 5: having to take their whole family and cross borders and 85 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 5: across the ocean. They had a friend who was in Greece, 86 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 5: and this friend said, I will take care of you 87 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 5: when you get here. Send me the money and I 88 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 5: will make sure that you have a job and a 89 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 5: house waiting for you in Greece when you get there, 90 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 5: and then when they arrived, never hearing from that friend again, 91 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 5: but having giving their whole life savings to this person 92 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 5: to take care of them. The mother of that Fami 93 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 5: family had gone mute because the trauma was so big 94 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 5: for her and all she had wanted to do was 95 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 5: cook and love on people, and cooking was her passion. 96 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 5: And then now she's in another country and she's sharing 97 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 5: a small apartment with three other families. There's no running water, 98 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 5: no electricity, but yet the husband is volunteering every day 99 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 5: at the Salvation on Me to help other people that 100 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 5: are in situations just like them, and just trying to 101 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 5: show his wife that things will be okay. But his 102 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 5: wife having not spoken a word in weeks. That's not 103 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 5: somebody that's just out to just live a better life 104 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 5: and you know, get more money or or take advantage 105 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 5: of anyone, as like a family literally fleeing because they 106 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 5: have to or else they will die. Just hearing stories 107 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 5: of that over and over again has really really changed 108 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 5: my heart and my perspective. And being at the Salvation 109 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 5: on Me in Sydney, Australia and our core assistant being 110 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 5: from Sierra Leone and having to flee because there was 111 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 5: a war there, and then him having to watch his 112 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 5: wife be raped by soldiers in a refugee camp. And 113 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 5: yet here they are in Australia serving in a salvation 114 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 5: on me. And they are the most joyful, god loving 115 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 5: people that I know, praising God every day, but who 116 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 5: God is and how God has protected them. So I 117 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 5: understand why people have misconceptions. But then I now I'm 118 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 5: just like, please, please get to know people. Just hear 119 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 5: their stories, listen to what their circumstances are. I mean, 120 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 5: I know that God will change your heart. 121 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: I think that's an incredibly powerful solution to the problem 122 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: just thinking about it. Psychologically, we're afraid of things that 123 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: are foreign to us. We don't like things that we 124 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: haven't experienced. There's a guy who rehabilitates people out of 125 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: the KKK, and he's a black man who rehabilitates people 126 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: out of the KKK. And he does that by getting 127 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: to know them and loving on them and building relationships 128 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: with them and showing them you're afraid of me because 129 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: of my skin color. But I'm really not all that 130 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: different from you. You know, we're all human beings. We 131 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 1: all have value and worth. God created all of us. 132 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: And the solution is not just to tell people that 133 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: they're wrong. It's to encourage people go out and engage 134 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: with people that make you uncomfortable, try new things, build 135 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: new relationships. Think God calls us to love everyone, and 136 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: if we're doing that, I think we're naturally going to 137 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: be inclined towards refugees and those who are struggling. 138 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 5: I think also that we don't understand how the system works. 139 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 5: So in America, you cannot come to the country as 140 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 5: a refugee unless you've been screened very stringently. There's so 141 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 5: many things that you have to go through to be 142 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 5: resettled in this country. Obviously there are those who are 143 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 5: document and who are coming over again. It's a matter 144 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 5: of getting to know people's stories and being compassionate towards them. 145 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 5: And they should be policies in place. They should be 146 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 5: to protect a country and to protect people, and to 147 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 5: make sure that there's a proper process that people go through. Christians, 148 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 5: especially once people have come over whatever border it is, 149 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 5: where however they've got here, they now are our neighbor, 150 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 5: and God tells us to love our neighbor and to 151 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 5: serve them, and that's what we should do. 152 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 4: We pray that you're enjoying and being blessed by this conversation. 153 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 4: We're going to take one more ad break and we'll 154 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 4: be right back. You know what is the biblical mandate 155 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 4: for us to care about refugees, for us to care 156 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 4: about people in a mental health crisis, for us to 157 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 4: just go into the darkest places of people's lives. And 158 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: so I had a couple of scriptures I just wanted 159 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: to share. And if anyone else had any scriptures that 160 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 4: they came to mind, we just discussed, you know how 161 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 4: these make us feel Isaiah fifty eight, starting at verse six, 162 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 4: to loose the chains of injustice, and then tie the 163 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 4: chords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free, and 164 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 4: break every yoke. And you skip to ten. And if 165 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 4: you spend yourselves on behalf of the hungry, and satisfy 166 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 4: the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise 167 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 4: in the darkness James one, twenty seven. Religion that God 168 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 4: our Father accepts as pure and faultless as this, to 169 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 4: look after orphans and widows and their distress. I mean, 170 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 4: all over. Scripture is asking us to shine our light 171 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 4: in the darkness. 172 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: One of my favorites. First John five, verse three. This 173 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: is love for God to obey his commands, and his 174 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: commands are not burdensome. All of us are looking to 175 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: build our relationship with God. So how do we do that? Well? 176 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: In order to love God, we have to obey his commands. 177 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: In Matthew twenty two, what is Jesus command us to do? 178 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: To love your neighbor as you love yourself. So to 179 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: show love for God, we have to show love to 180 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: our neighbor. That's actually how we experience God and grow 181 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: in relationship with God is by loving other people. That 182 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: starts with loving ourselves, which is a whole other conversation 183 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: say for later. 184 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 2: I have one. 185 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 6: It's Isaiah one seventeen says to learn to do good, 186 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 6: seek justice, correct oppression, bring justice to the fatherless, plead 187 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 6: the Wittow's cause. I like to bring this to light 188 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 6: because it says we have to learn to do it. 189 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 6: It's not an innate thing, even for the people of God. 190 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 6: He's just talking to Judah here. But God is very 191 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 6: clear in the Bible about how just he is. He 192 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 6: is a just God, and I think in the Bible. 193 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 6: Justice is in there, probably over four hundred times, I think, 194 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 6: but he does not play about the oppressed, the widow 195 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 6: and the fatherless, and so it is something we have 196 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 6: to learn to do. 197 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 5: De Lloyd, just thank you that you are the God 198 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 5: of the stranger, the foreign, sojournal and lords. You have 199 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 5: a heart for those who have had to flee their homelands, 200 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 5: their places of comfort, where their family and their friends are. 201 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 5: You've had to cross borders and cross the oceans just 202 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 5: to find safety. And for the God, I just pray 203 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 5: that you would give us a heart for them to 204 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 5: that we would see them as your image bears, that 205 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 5: we would see them as people who are worthy of safety. 206 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 5: I pray for the God that you would be with 207 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 5: them as they deal with just the trauma of the 208 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 5: things that they've had to escape or flee, but then 209 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 5: also have to deal with the trauma of finding a 210 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 5: new place to stay, entering a new country, learning a 211 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 5: new language, finding a job, finding schools, selling in places 212 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 5: that are foreigned to them. I pray for the God 213 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 5: that you would just be present with them, that you 214 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 5: would hold them, that you would comfort them in their 215 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 5: times of fear and sadness and grief. I pray that 216 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 5: you would protect them, and I pray for opportunities for 217 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 5: them in these new places, Lloyd, that they would find peace. 218 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 5: I just pray that we would be people that would 219 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 5: defend them, that would welcome them, that would show hospitality 220 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 5: to them. I pray that we would be people that 221 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 5: listen to them, that be present with them, that embrace them. 222 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 5: And Lord, I just pray that you would constantly just 223 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 5: teach us how to love our neighbor as you would. 224 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 5: You pray all these things in your name. 225 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 6: Amm. 226 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: The Salvation Army's mission doing the most good means helping 227 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: people with material and spiritual needs. 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