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Speaker 1: I'm Joshammer and this is the Josh Shammer Show. Much

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Speaker 1: to get to you later on today's show, an absolutely

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Speaker 1: explosive hearing of Donald Trump's Religious Liberty Commission, a very

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Speaker 1: very on line, and Candice Owen's induced feud has now

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Speaker 1: come to the forefront yet again of the national conversation. Additionally,

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Speaker 1: a possible update to the Bad Bunny super Bowl halftime

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Speaker 1: show Saca is Bad Bunny going to find himself in

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Speaker 1: legal trouble for saying a lot of things in espaniol

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Speaker 1: that you can't necessarily say on a massive broadcast television

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Speaker 1: in English, while Commas and Randy Fine of Florida seem

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Speaker 1: to think so much. More on that later in today's show,

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Speaker 1: but for now we'll begin with this. In November twenty twelve,

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Speaker 1: the same day that Americans took to the polls to

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Speaker 1: re elect Barack Hussain Obama over mid Romney. On that day,

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Speaker 1: there were two states out west, Washington State and the

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Speaker 1: state of Colorado that became the first two states to

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Speaker 1: legalize marijuana. Was the brave New World back then, and

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Speaker 1: many many states have since followed. In fact, more than

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Speaker 1: half Americans now live in a state where marijuana has

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Speaker 1: some sort of legality, whether it is available on a

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Speaker 1: recreational basis or perhaps just on a quote unquote medicinal basis.

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Speaker 1: The latter is simply a conduit all too often to

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Speaker 1: the former, given the corruption of prescriptions when it comes

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Speaker 1: to as when it comes to ideologically induced, potentially financially

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Speaker 1: compromise professionals in the medical profession, and various other ways

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Speaker 1: to try to bamboost and convince folks that you actually

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Speaker 1: need a quote unquote medicinal purpose for marijuana. To this day,

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Speaker 1: it is deeply contested and deeply unclear whether or not

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Speaker 1: there actually are any legitimate purposes when it comes to marijuana.

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Speaker 1: At the same time that marijuana was spreading like wildfire

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Speaker 1: throughout the States, the number of drug overdoses in America

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Speaker 1: continued to skyrocket. Now, admittedly, here we're not going to

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Speaker 1: advance the provocative claim that many, perhaps even any of

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Speaker 1: those overdoses were directly attributable in approximate cause fashion to

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Speaker 1: taking marijuana. Marijuana has all sorts of problems we will

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Speaker 1: explain here momentarily, but I'm not necessarily saying that some

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Speaker 1: of these drug overdoses in recent years have been attributable

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Speaker 1: solely and exclusively to marijuana. Rather, a lot of those

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Speaker 1: overdoses were attributed to things like fence and all and

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Speaker 1: drug overdoses in America. We saw one hundred and ten

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Speaker 1: height of the Joe bid administration. Utterly staggering and horrific stuff.

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Speaker 1: For context, that number in nineteen ninety two, at the

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Speaker 1: end of twelve successive years of the very well known

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Speaker 1: relations and indeed legal war. You know, the notion of

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Speaker 1: the War on drugs failed is revisionist history. Actually, look

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Speaker 1: at the decrease in drug overdose deests from the late

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Speaker 2: Era to it's low. It's absolutely low.

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Speaker 1: There in ninet ninety two, where it was just about

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Speaker 1: After just saying no, this is your brain on drugs.

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Speaker 1: That in twenty twenty four, which is the most reason

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Speaker 1: is starting to come into control. There is a glaring,

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Speaker 1: to cocaine, Donald Trump down Office, Southern Border Crossings, everything

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Speaker 1: of this is happening at positive level. Unfortunately, that marijuana experiment,

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Speaker 1: it there. And this was advanced by, among others, the

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Speaker 1: New York Times. And that's that's actually why we're having

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Speaker 1: The time is back in twenty fourteen, So about a

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Speaker 1: the Times had an editorial saying repeal prohibition again. And

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Speaker 1: back then they made a lot of these familiar arguments.

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Speaker 1: They said that, okay, why we treat insaning different than

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Speaker 1: restrictions or bands on extremely high THHC level. So THHD

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Speaker 1: The marijuana that is smoke to consume today is not

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Speaker 1: your grandfather's marijuana. This isn't what Grandpappy was smoking when

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Speaker 1: The THHC and TC is is the active psychoactive ingredients

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Speaker 1: well this memory're kind of just getting high and saying,

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Speaker 1: hyper emesis syndrome, which causes severe vomiting and sun pain.

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Speaker 1: It's induced from marijuana. Many people have ended up in

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Speaker 1: So a twenty twenty four survey indicates that at least

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Speaker 1: eleven point seven million people had driven under the influence

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Speaker 1: of cannabis. That's a lot, almost how million people there.

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Speaker 1: That's roughly on par with the fourteen point two million

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Speaker 1: You know, the social data on this is actually really bad.

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Speaker 1: For his post legalization, all those numbers dramatically increase. So again,

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Speaker 1: more needles, more homeless, and more drugs. This wretched, filthy

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Speaker 1: just absolutely stinks. I'm really not sorry, Actually, I mean

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Speaker 1: in office, Don Trump actually gave in to the marijuana

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Speaker 1: But in December, so two months ago. Don Trump actually

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Speaker 1: formerly rescheduled marijuana from a Schedule three drug or from

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Speaker 1: The effect of this will be to make criminal sentencing

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Speaker 1: the states that choose to legalize him. Now, thankfully, here

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four and it was actually decisively defeated,

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Speaker 1: This, especially in today's day and age of this more

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Speaker 1: It's led to a dramatic increase in young people being

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Speaker 1: potent THHD enriched strand of marijuana, which yes, yes, absolutely

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Speaker 1: is a gateway towards much ultimately more dangerous forms of drugs.

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Speaker 1: It leads to increases in violence, it leads to increases

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Speaker 1: in highway fatalities. Basically every way you can measure experiments,

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Speaker 1: for the bottom line of the big marijuana companies, companies

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Speaker 1: you get to, but I want to just say for now,

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Speaker 1: just a brief final word, and we're talking about before

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Speaker 1: the break, which is this explosive White House Religous Liberty Commission.

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Speaker 2: Yes, say, I want to close with this.

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Speaker 1: There is so much chatter online when it comes to

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Speaker 1: the Candice Owe and Tucker Carlston fringe, a lot of

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Speaker 1: it boosted by foreign Exbrudway, we talk about that on

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Speaker 1: yesterday show. A lot of this is coming from foreign

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Speaker 1: bought farms and coming from foreign provocateurs. For instance, there

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Speaker 1: is this one account called a pack Tracker which reports

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Speaker 1: to track the level of apack donations and politicians is actually, well,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't do that, first of all. Well, second onld

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Speaker 1: actually run by someone out of Germany, probably some Syrian

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Speaker 1: refugee or some stupid crap like that.

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Speaker 2: But you could be led to believe based.

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Speaker 1: On the volume on this issue on Laine and frankly,

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Speaker 1: at times in real world, you could be led to

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Speaker 1: believe that this is really seeping into the broader body

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Speaker 1: politic and I want to just briefly say that it's not.

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Speaker 1: How do I know, because, among other things, we have

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Speaker 1: polling on this. So it's actually a brand new poll

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Speaker 1: of regular church goers from the Family Research Council, so

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Speaker 1: as the social conservative outfit headed by Tony Perkins. They

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Speaker 1: do wonderful pro family work. They found according to this poll,

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Speaker 1: eighty four percent of their regular church goer Christian respondents

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Speaker 1: believe that is important to regularly pray for Israel, the

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Speaker 1: state of Israel. Seventy three percent, according to this Family

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Speaker 1: Research countable think that Christians should be urging the US

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Speaker 1: government to support Israel, and more than two thirds feel

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Speaker 1: that is incumbent upon them to personally donate money to Israel.

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Speaker 2: That's really high.

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Speaker 1: I mean, frankly, I would not even have even guessed

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Speaker 1: that those numbers would actually be as high as they are.

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Speaker 1: So while overall support for things like eight to Israel

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Speaker 1: are down, it's certainly not down among the American Christian community.

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Speaker 1: There So people like this Carrie Briging Bowler totally totally

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Speaker 1: speaking for this tiny sliver of foreign and Pakistani bought,

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Speaker 1: farm boosted online trash, similar to this Utter Goon running

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Speaker 1: for governor in Florida and James Fishback running as a

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Speaker 1: Flint disk Ripper candidate. These people who are running basically

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Speaker 1: just to be online trolls, you should not frankly make

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Speaker 1: of them much more than that. So I want to

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Speaker 1: not pick up on something that we were talking about

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Speaker 1: at great length yessay, which is the continuing fallouts over

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Speaker 1: the single worst halftime show in the history of Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl halftime shows. And yes, there have been a lot

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Speaker 1: of duds, a lot of does. In fact, most of

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Speaker 1: the past ten to fifteen Super BWL halftime shows have

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Speaker 1: been duds.

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Speaker 2: There've been some good ones.

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Speaker 1: There was Prince, there was the West Coast Rap tribute

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Speaker 1: with Doctor Dre and Snoop Dogg that was pretty good

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Speaker 1: a few years ago out in Los Angeles. But this

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Speaker 1: one really took the cake for the absolute worst of

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Speaker 1: the worst for among I mean, there's a lot of reasons,

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Speaker 1: but the most obvious of which was it wasn't even

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Speaker 1: in the freaking language that we speak I hear here

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Speaker 1: we are two days after the halftime show after the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl, the resounding Seahawks victory or the Patriots. We're

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Speaker 1: two days now, and I still can't believe that they

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Speaker 1: did this, That Roger Goodell did this. One two had

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Speaker 1: the idiocy, the utter myopia to say that Bad Bunny

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Speaker 1: will unite America. What are you smoking, dude, I mean,

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Speaker 1: are you on that twenty five percent TC marijuana that

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Speaker 1: were talking about earlier in the show?

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Speaker 2: I mean what?

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Speaker 1: So the latest on the Bad Bunny front is actually

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Speaker 1: really juicy. So Congressman Randy Fie, otherwise known as the

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Speaker 1: Hebrew Hammer, the other Hebrew Hammer, besides me, I suppose

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Speaker 1: he is here in the state of Florida, and he

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Speaker 1: is now sending a formal complaints to Brendan Carr, who

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Speaker 1: is the chairman of the FCC, the Federal Communication Commission.

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Speaker 1: They are the regulators of the Internet's airwaves, of the

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Speaker 1: Internet's regulation, things like that.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 1: Brendan Carr is a good man. I've known him to

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Speaker 1: some extent for some years now. He's been very agrassve

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Speaker 1: actually as FCC chair when it comes to things like

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel I'm I'm personally a big fan of Brendon Carr.

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Speaker 1: So Congressman Randy Fie essentially saying this, saying that if

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Speaker 1: you translate these songs we just discussed a little bit

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Speaker 1: in this show, if you translate all the various songs

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Speaker 1: in Spanish Espanio that Bad Bunny sung about, you get

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Speaker 1: a lot of words that if he had said in

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Speaker 1: English would be illegal. Lots of F bombs, you know,

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Speaker 1: that really dirty four letter word, not the one that

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Speaker 1: George Carlin told about, with the other four letter word,

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Speaker 1: the one that you can't say on TV, all sorts

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Speaker 1: of other just I mean, these screenshots I'm looking at here,

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Speaker 1: these lyrics translated unbelievable. I mean, this is not just

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Speaker 1: promiscuous or lascivious. He's basically singing the songs of like

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Speaker 1: hardcore pornography. I'm not gonna lie more than that. This

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Speaker 1: is really really deeply unsavory stuff. So, whether it's the topic,

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Speaker 1: whether it's the actual word as well, the fact that

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Speaker 1: he's sung in a foreign language should not in any

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Speaker 1: way exculpate him and shield him from liability for words

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Speaker 1: that would have gotten him a massive fine, and in

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Speaker 1: all sorts of other legal trouble. Had he said it

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Speaker 1: in English, as commas Brandy Fine put on his X feed.

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Speaker 1: Had Bad Bunny said these lyrics and all the other

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Speaker 1: discussing and pornographic filth in English, the broadcast would have

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Speaker 1: been pulled down and finds would have been enormous. He's right,

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Speaker 1: that's what happened. I mean, look, I remember the justin

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Speaker 1: Timberlake Janet Jackson halftime debacle over two decades ago now

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Speaker 1: I believe it was two thousand and four.

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Speaker 2: I remember it very well.

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Speaker 1: Immediately after the quote unquote wardrobe malfunction scene around the world,

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Speaker 1: the camera panned away after the reals to happened there,

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Speaker 1: and they essentially took it off. That's what would have

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Speaker 1: happened here.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So the notion that you can get away with this

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Speaker 1: because you're singing in the foreign language, I find somewhere

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Speaker 1: between abhorrent and repulsive. This can never happen again. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that we have an easy way to prevent

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Speaker 1: it from happening again. Jay Z, who is under contract

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Speaker 1: to produce these halftime shows, he is under He's under

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Speaker 1: contract for some years to come.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Jay Z was assigned to do these halftime shows. He

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Speaker 1: and his rock nas band back in twenty nineteen, which

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Speaker 1: actually was the last year that there were any white

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Speaker 1: people involved.

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Speaker 2: Roun five is actually there back in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that it's going to get better,

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Speaker 1: but man, this is it's just awful.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Kid Rock was one of the stars of the Turning

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Speaker 1: Point USA Alternative halftime Show.

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Speaker 3: Ed.

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Speaker 1: Look, you can kind of gripe about kid Rock and

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Speaker 1: say that this is kind of alternative media. You know,

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Speaker 1: I saw my my my buddy Chris Ruffo say that

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Speaker 1: kid Rock sign is reinforcing the ghettoization of conservatives, and there's.

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Speaker 2: Some truth to that.

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Speaker 1: There's definitely some truth that there's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: cope going on for sure. Okay, the Alternative halftime Show,

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Speaker 1: while I enjoyed it some country music fan, it didn't

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Speaker 1: have the pizazz, the glitz, the glamour of being there

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Speaker 1: a live production on the football stage.

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Speaker 2: It just didn't.

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Speaker 1: You know. We can lie and say it did, but

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Speaker 1: it didn't. Having said that, I'm happy that they offered it.

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Speaker 1: Kid Rock was where did not exactly have particularly pleasant

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Speaker 1: word to say about Bad Bunny Roger Goodell here was

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Speaker 1: Kid Rock speaking on Fox News.

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Speaker 5: It seemed like, you know, oh, we'll bring him in

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Speaker 5: and so you know, jay Z's not gonna take that

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Speaker 5: position of.

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Speaker 2: Power in that money.

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Speaker 5: So uh, you know, then they convene in a not

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Speaker 5: for that wasn't not for profit not for profit league

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Speaker 5: until you know, they quietly got rid of that tax

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Speaker 5: tax exempt status at some point, so Roger did not

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Speaker 5: have to disclose his salary.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: So we had all sorts of problems. So he brings

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Speaker 5: in jay Z in. What's jay Z gonna do? He's

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Speaker 5: gonna do right by his base. That's where he had

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Speaker 5: Kendrick Lamar last year. A lot of people didn't get

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Speaker 5: I respect Kendrick Lamar, but wasn't my cup of tea.

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Speaker 5: And you know then this year you're like, wow, they're

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Speaker 5: gonna double down. And to me, it was kind of

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Speaker 5: just like another middle finger to conservatives, to the MAGA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, crowd, to my base.

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Speaker 3: Everything.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so what do we do now? And I don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily have all the answers there. I know that we

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Speaker 1: should apply as much consumer pressure as possible on rog Goozell,

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Speaker 1: But folks, to reiterate, the take is actually beier than

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Speaker 1: that they take away is actually much broad on that,

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Speaker 1: because this is not just an assault on consertis.

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Speaker 2: It's not just what kid Rock says.

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Speaker 1: It is definitely what he says is is definitely a

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Speaker 1: middle finger to American consertives.

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Speaker 2: It is absolutely positively that.

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Speaker 1: But it is also is also an attempt to wage

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Speaker 1: war on American culture and historical American notions of who

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Speaker 1: we are as a people. Is an attempt to evist

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Speaker 1: rates all of the lowest common denominators that still are

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Speaker 1: the glue that hold us together as a common people

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Speaker 1: and as a common polity e plurbasuna means out of

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Speaker 1: many one bad bunny Rodger Goodell don't really care for

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Speaker 1: the unim part or to extend that they do. They

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Speaker 1: don't like the current m they seek to replace it

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Speaker 1: with a different unum. Don't let them get away with that,

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Speaker 1: and frankly, at a bare bare minimum, let's pursue this fine, Randy, fine,

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Speaker 1: let's pursue this fine, Chairman Brendan Carr of the SEC there,

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Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing very much where this goes.

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Speaker 1: Say us to the break, folks, right back with much

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Speaker 1: more than this side. Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: There's been this.

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Speaker 1: Notion perklaying in the background for weeks now that the

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Speaker 1: Truminstration is starting to lose ground and is going to

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Speaker 1: cause themselves some electoral headaches, perhaps even electoral disasters when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the issue of immigration this fall. I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing this chatter a lot in my social circles. I

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Speaker 1: had someone who is very well connected in Florida Republican

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Speaker 1: politics who gave me a call this past Sunday before

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and essentially floated to me this idea

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Speaker 1: for a bill. He had been in touch with some

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Speaker 1: congressmen and some very wealthy donors, and essentially the idea

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Speaker 1: was to try to nip this thing the butt and

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Speaker 1: put an end to the immigration enforcement debate while trying

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Speaker 1: to lock in these Republican gains.

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Speaker 2: And the basic argument.

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Speaker 1: Is that you put in voter ID and in exchange

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Speaker 1: for that, maybe a pathway citizenship or maybe just an

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Speaker 1: agreement to not deport certain aliens who are here illegally.

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Speaker 1: And this guy, who's a friend of mine, very very

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Speaker 1: smart guy, essentially what my thoughts on this and ask

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Speaker 1: my opinion as to whether or not this is something

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Speaker 1: that I thought that I could support or that maga

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Speaker 1: that the Trump base could support, and I said, with

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Speaker 1: all due respect, hell no, absolutely not, no way would

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Speaker 1: I ever ever support such a thing. Ever, the notion

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Speaker 1: that we should be giving de facto amnesty or real

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Speaker 1: amnesty for those who are in this country illegally, First

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Speaker 1: of all, that itself is arguably unconstitutional. The president has

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Speaker 1: a take care clause article to constitutional prerogative need a

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Speaker 1: sam responsibility to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.

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Speaker 1: Among the laws in this country are those that sipulate

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Speaker 1: time and time again that if you are illegal, then

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Speaker 1: you must go. That's been the law for a very

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Speaker 1: very very long time, at least since the Immigration Nationality

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Speaker 1: Act of nineteen fifty two, followed by the heart Sellers

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Speaker 1: Building Ted Kenny Build nineteen sixty five. If you were

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Speaker 1: here illegally for at least that long, probably required to

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Speaker 1: beeing further than that, but that was kind of the

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Speaker 1: mass beginnings of modern post war illegal immigration. You gotta go,

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Speaker 1: you gotta go, period, full stop. End of story. Now,

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Speaker 1: the polling on this, as we discussed a little bit,

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Speaker 1: is a little bit all over the map. There is

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Speaker 1: a conservative leaning public polling and opinion firm by the

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Speaker 1: name of a signal. They're making no pun intended a

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Speaker 1: lot of noise with their signal, and they were pretty

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Speaker 1: accurate pollster in the twenty twenty four election. I happened

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Speaker 1: to like Signal a lot. I do actually some occasional

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Speaker 1: television hits on Australian television with one of the principles

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Speaker 1: at signal and I like them. But look, I mean

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Speaker 1: your mind to various. It's public polling and you know,

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Speaker 1: as our pal Harriet and would say over at CNM

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Speaker 1: it some line is better to look at a lot

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Speaker 1: of polling agriates rather than to kind of pluck out

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Speaker 1: individual polls. But for what it's worth, there was a

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Speaker 1: recent singapol that show that this notion that the American

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Speaker 1: people and even even Hispanics are turning on immigration enforcement

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Speaker 1: is basically just a.

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Speaker 2: Load of bunk.

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Speaker 1: And yes, you know, these alex pretty headlines are not

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Speaker 1: great headlines there. Yes, is the case THATDHS and Customs

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Speaker 1: and Board Protection did not immediately handle that to the

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Speaker 1: best of their abilities. Frankly, even Tom Homan admitted as much. There,

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Speaker 1: but the notion that the American people and Hispanics are

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Speaker 1: just mass turning on immigration enforcement frankly does not actually

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Speaker 1: holds up and is our strong conviction here on the

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Speaker 1: Josh Hammer Show that the administration has to barrel full

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Speaker 1: speed ahead when it comes to their immigration forced agenda.

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Speaker 1: You bet your darnbud that I voted to deport as

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Speaker 1: many illegal aliens in this country as possible. That is

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Speaker 1: what we voted for. That's what we voted for. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: That's also what the American people want. It's been one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest intergenerational shifts in polling has been on

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Speaker 1: this very issue. Around the time of the second Obama administration,

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Speaker 1: think twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, around the time that Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama was getting ready to do his ADAPA, his second

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Speaker 1: Executive adamsty following Daka the first Executive Adamsty. Back then,

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Speaker 1: in Obama two point zero, it was roughly one third

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Speaker 1: of Americans who supported a mass deportation of legals policy.

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Speaker 1: That number now and the era of Trump two point zero,

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Speaker 1: according to pretty much every pulser out there, has essentially doubled.

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Speaker 1: If it's not two thirds, it's at least around high fifties,

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Speaker 1: low sixties, hovering around six percent. A straw majority supports it.

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Speaker 1: Supports the law policy. That doesn't mean that every individual act,

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Speaker 1: that every individual news cycle that's outs pretty it doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean it's all going to win the new cycle right

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Speaker 1: for Tom Holman and Christy Noam and Donald Trump. But

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Speaker 1: overall overall, we have enough data to sipulate that the

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Speaker 1: Trump Noem, Tom Holman, Stephen Miller immigration policy is what

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Speaker 1: the American people voted for. It's what they want, and

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Speaker 1: it should be the law of the lands going forward

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Speaker 1: for the forteeple future. Now, notably, there've actually been a

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Speaker 1: lot of other legal wins, a lot of legal wins

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Speaker 1: on this front as well. So this has been one

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Speaker 1: of the areas where the judicial insurrection, these lower courts uprisings,

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Speaker 1: these tyrants in black rows, has been most pronounced. There's

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Speaker 1: really no area of the law where you've seen more

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Speaker 1: judicial insurrectionary activity than in the area of immigration. This

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Speaker 1: goes back to a lot of Donald Trump's legal spats

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Speaker 1: in places like Washington, d C. With Jeb Bosberg and

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Speaker 1: on and on we go. But I'm happy to report

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Speaker 1: that there have been at least three pretty high profile

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Speaker 1: legal wins coming for the Trump Immigration Force agenda, happening

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Speaker 1: in a fairly rapid period period of time. So the

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Speaker 1: first normal win came out of my former stamming grounds.

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Speaker 1: This was the US corp Appeals for the Fifth Circuit,

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Speaker 1: one of the more conservative leaning appellate courts in the

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Speaker 1: country based in New Orleans, covering states of Texas, Louisiana,

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Speaker 1: and Mississippi. You had a three judge panel of the

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Speaker 1: Fifth Circuit this past Friday evening that ultimately held that

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's policy of locking up of detention of those

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Speaker 1: whom they seek to port without offering a chance for bond,

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Speaker 1: So taking in these illegal aliens put them in temper

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Speaker 1: intention not offering a bond hearing, and essentially doing this

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Speaker 1: even if there is no prior criminal record that this

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Speaker 1: is legal. The Fifth Orga says that this is legal.

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Speaker 1: There's a split opinion there. You had an excellent majority

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Speaker 1: opinion from Edith H. Jones, who really should have been

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Speaker 1: on the US Supreme Court back in the early nineties.

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Speaker 2: George H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush back in nineteen ninety one making one of the

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Speaker 1: true catastrophic mistakes in Supreme Court selection history when he

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Speaker 1: chose David Suitor. He chose David Suitor of New Hampshire

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Speaker 1: because Johnson, you know his ally at the White House,

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Speaker 1: she was staffed, told him so basically, he said, suitor

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Speaker 1: is a good guy. She's listened to me. We could

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Speaker 1: have out alternately, had Edith H. Jones and you know here,

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Speaker 1: we would have been three and a half decades later

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Speaker 1: and she would have been holding down that right flank

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Speaker 1: of the court with Sam Alito and Clarence Thomas. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: didn't happen, alternative history, et cetera. But for present purposes,

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Speaker 1: fifthurg opinion wonderful opinion by Judge Jones. Kyle Duncan, another

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Speaker 1: excellent considered judge on the fencerget joins Jude Jones' opinion

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Speaker 1: and descents from Judge Dan Douglas and adult brains. Biden

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Speaker 1: nominee clearly writes on the law, the notion that you

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Speaker 1: have to do additional due process, You have to allow

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Speaker 1: for a bondiering or whatever there, especially for someone who

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Speaker 1: is a.

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Speaker 2: Real flight risk.

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Speaker 1: Why is he a flight risk because he's gonna get

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Speaker 1: deported is at the quicknessential area where you want to

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Speaker 1: make sure he doesn't leave the ice detention facility, the penitentiary,

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Speaker 1: whatever the case, and be there because he's gonna leave,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna abscond, He's gonna head ad dodge and go

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Speaker 1: hide out in some you know, rural place in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the river, valley of the mountains over there

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Speaker 1: to try to hide himself from ice. He's the quintessential flyers.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you don't have to offer any kind of

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Speaker 1: bond teering. I mean, I mean, some of this stuff

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Speaker 1: is just it makes you ask, you know, how did

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Speaker 1: this even get this far in the litigation process to

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Speaker 1: begin with. Now again, Congress if they want to, can litigate,

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Speaker 1: or Congress can legislate and offer additional types of due

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Speaker 1: process on top of this, if they so choose. But

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Speaker 1: for hundreds of years, including reaffirmed in a ninety ninety

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Speaker 1: fifties case called Shaughnessy, where Justice Robert Jackson basically said

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Speaker 1: that due processes not entailing you with the right to

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Speaker 1: be here against the national will, Congress can legislate whatever

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Speaker 1: protections they want there. If they don't do so, it's

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Speaker 1: not required. That's really all The Fifth Circuit stem the

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Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit, historically very liberal appeals core based out of Saraancisco.

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Speaker 1: Had it's been trending, ask you the right direction at

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Speaker 1: least since Trump's first rum. They had another big victory

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Speaker 1: for Donald Trump as well ear earlier this week, where

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Speaker 1: they stayed a lower court and essentially said that Christie

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Speaker 1: Noam could indeed try to withhold TPS temporary Protective status

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Speaker 1: for folks from Nepal, Honduras, and Nicaragua under the previous

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Speaker 1: Bid administration tweets Christy Noam Temporary Protective Status was abuse

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Speaker 1: to allow violent terrorists, criminal and national security threats into

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Speaker 1: nations of TPS was. It's a part of immigration law

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Speaker 1: that goes back to the nineteen nineties. Basically, if there's

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Speaker 1: like an earthquake or terrible conditions overseas there, you'd be

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Speaker 1: able to say, Okay, your temporary visa is extended for

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Speaker 1: like a week or a month whatever to allow them

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Speaker 1: to fix that country, then you fly back. It's been

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Speaker 1: abused and abused and abused and abused to allow for

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Speaker 1: various forms of de facto amnesty, and the bymeinstration was

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Speaker 1: a massive, massive abuser of it.

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Speaker 2: Now the Ninth Circuit is siding with Donald Trump on this.

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Speaker 1: Finally, also out of California, Judge Christina Snyder of the

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Speaker 1: Use District word for the Central Dish of California, essentially

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Speaker 1: saying that the law, the law that would purport to

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Speaker 1: prevent ice officers. So they said, you're trying to make

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Speaker 1: it illegal for ice officers to wear a mask. You

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Speaker 1: can't do that. That The ice officers are allowed to

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Speaker 1: wear masks if they want to. Why, because you people

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Speaker 1: are doxing them. You're trying to find where they live,

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Speaker 1: they're home, their children, or that there you are putting

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Speaker 1: them in danger. Of course, they can wear masks the

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Speaker 1: same way that a swat team can wear masks. If

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Speaker 1: you don't want to wear a mask may be considered

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Speaker 1: don't dox in them. Call him a bit of a

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Speaker 1: common sense there anyway. Trump Immigration, winning on the political front,

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Speaker 1: winning on the legal front, good stuff, frankly all round.

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