1 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: Team. 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: I've just done a really fascinating interview with a man 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 2: called Morgan Wright who specializes in reconstructing crime scenes. Look 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 2: up his subseac you'll see it on the screen. I 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: wanted to talk to him, of course about the Guffree case. 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: It's eye opening. The whole thing is bizarre. Yes, it's heartbreaking, 7 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: but it's even more confusing. You've got to watch this, Morgan. Why, 8 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: thank you so so much for giving us some time 9 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 2: here on Miaron Mullin Show. We really appreciate it absolutely. 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: Hey. Look, I've first of all, like we were talking, 11 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of work in Australia before. One 12 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: of the best times I had was driving the Great 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: Ocean Road going from Melbourne all the way out seeing 14 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: the koala see it, seeing a real koala in a tree. 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 3: You know, that was so amazing. 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: Do you know I have not done the Great Ocean 17 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: Road drive yet? That is criminal. 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: Oh you I have to you see you see the 19 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: Apostles five Apostles I think they call it, and just 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: the ocean, the water is I can't believe I'd been 21 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: there and you have it. 22 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: No, it's insane. It's a big country, it's a big 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: country like yours is here in America world. We both 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 2: are now and onto less pleasant things. Morgan, looking at 25 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, what about it makes you 26 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: go something's not adding up here? Or is it fairly 27 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: typical of an unsolved mystery? 28 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: So you know, I do a substack. It's called crime 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: Reconstructed Dutch substack dot com. But and that's the whole 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: purpose is to reconstruct crime. It's like if you wanted 31 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: to remodel the house, they call it demo day. You'd 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: strip everything down to the studs and you rebuild. So 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: you rebuild the case. So I wrote a substack post 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: and this gets into the heart of the matter. Aaron 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: I said, it can only be one of two things. 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: This is a binary crime. It's a robbery that went 37 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: wrong or a burglary, I should say, because robbery is 38 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: of a person, but burglary of a house. 39 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 3: Either it's a. 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: Burglary that went wrong, or it was never a burglary. 41 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: Because one's about chaos, one's about control. So in the 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: case of so, think about this. Because I was a 43 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: detective as a state trooper, I mean I worked lots 44 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: of cases. When you have a home invasion and they 45 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: know people are there and they're targeting there. They expect 46 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: people to be there, so they don't flee based upon 47 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: the fact that there's somebody there, but somebody breaking into 48 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: a house that doesn't want to have that confrontation. So 49 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: if it's a burglary that went bad, you have to 50 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: ask yourself the question what conditions had to exist inside 51 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: the house for the offender to believe that abduction was 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: less risky than fleeing. And that's what makes our heard 53 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: because on the other hand, because I know some of 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: the experts, some of the experts air quotes are saying, well, 55 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: we want to look for people whose behavior is changed 56 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: and stuff. And I'm telling you, well, what if what if. 57 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: Abduction was the target? 58 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: What if that was their intended purpose, you would not 59 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: see anybody behavior change because that's what they intended to do. 60 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: They intended to abduct somebody. 61 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: So that's the big dichotomy right now between what really happened. 62 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: If it was a burglary that went wrong, then why 63 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: the abduction. So we don't we don't know the circumstances. 64 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: That's been the biggest hardest thing to reconcile because it's 65 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: targeted if you believe that they were willing to accept 66 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: the risk. It's not targeted if you believe that the 67 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: offender should have fled but didn't, So then what made 68 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: them not flee or what made them abduct? 69 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 3: So that's the hard part. 70 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: Maybe you look at the amount of manpower that is 71 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 2: invested in this case now from FBI, I mean significant 72 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 2: media interest, clearly given who her daughter is. Are you 73 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: surprised that they have found as little as they have 74 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: or that it's taking them so long to have these 75 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 2: moments where they can say, look, we've got some vision now, 76 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: or we found a glove or whatever it is. Would 77 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: it normally take so long with the amount of resources. 78 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: So I was actually out there for four or five days. 79 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: I think that's where you saw me, and that's when 80 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: you reached out. So I mean I went out, I 81 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: looked at the ground. One thing you have to do 82 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: is get the lay of the land, what's the terrain like, 83 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: what's the environment like, because that really informs part of 84 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: your decision making. And actually a friend of mine that 85 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: used to be on DEA called me. They worked the 86 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: case out there where it's a drug dealer case, cartel 87 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: they killed a guy cut him up into parts, put 88 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: his body in a tub, put it in concrete, and 89 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: left it out in the desert. But they don't know 90 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: what knew his arms and legs. But they buried his 91 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: head when they did a profit and he said, hey, 92 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you where it is. 93 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: It took them. 94 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: He took him out in the same Catalina foothills, took 95 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: him out to a stage. Where's that the head's buried here. 96 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: It took them two hours to dig only two feet down. 97 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 1: That's how difficult it is to dig in that area. 98 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, so here's what I'm not surprised about. I'm 99 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: not surprised that it's taking time because there's no such 100 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: thing as what's the average case take. That's like asking, hey, 101 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 1: I've lost my keyser, and how long will it take 102 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: me to find him? I don't know, right. So, And 103 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: the other thing too, is from an investigative standpoint, you 104 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: always want to be transparent in terms of you want 105 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: to release as much information as you can to help 106 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: advance the case forward with the public, but you never 107 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: want to release information that hurts the progress of the case. 108 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: So that you start you've exposed information that shouldn't be 109 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: so I will tell you when it comes to DNA 110 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: and it comes to announcing results. 111 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: This is just me talking Morgan in my own little world. 112 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: But if I were going to do it, I would 113 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: I would continue to make statements to say say, well, 114 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: we're still looking at it. We're still looking at it 115 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: if if that DNA turned into a match. So, in 116 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: other words, when you do DNA profiles, there's a couple 117 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: of things that could come off the glove or glove sees. 118 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: The other thing, too, is the statement. 119 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: The New York Post has this picture of finding a 120 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: glove singular, but the FBI in their statement talks about 121 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: gloves plural. So we don't know is that the same 122 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: glove we saw. But let's assume that we have something 123 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: to compare it against, right that if there's DNA on there, 124 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 1: it can be Nancy's DNA from touch DNA what are 125 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: called epithelial cells, your skin cells that come off of 126 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: that whoops, it could be DNA of the offender, or 127 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: it could be some other foreign DNA that might match 128 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: back to the house. In other words, there are ways 129 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 1: to actually type plants or vegetation. So where the glove 130 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: was found is vegeta is the vegetation there, and plants 131 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: inconsistent with the vegetation found in front of Nancy's house. 132 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: So there's a variety of things and that takes time. 133 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: But what I was saying is, if I had that 134 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: information and we submitted the DNA and it matched, we 135 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: got a match to a known profile, because you might 136 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: match to an unknown profile. Not every hit and codis 137 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: is a known profile, so sometimes we have unknown stuff. 138 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: But if it's known and we know who the person is, 139 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: I would not disclose that information until I'd worked up 140 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: the operation, until we've got the arrest, op done this 141 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: search warrant, the arrest warrant, we've got all the resources 142 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: in place. Then what I would do is at the 143 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: same time we're hitting the minute we take that person 144 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: into custody, it's like the operation to get Osama bin 145 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: lod in Operation Neptune Spear. The minute you do it, 146 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: then you come back with the code word, which THEIRS was, 147 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: you know, Geronimo, Geronimo, Geronimo. That was the code that 148 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: everybody let them know that target was acquired. Now we're 149 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: X filling, we're xfiltrating out of the area. So I 150 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't release that information until we had the person in custody. 151 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 3: But they're looking at the backpack the holster. 152 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: That's good information to give because now it allows people 153 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: to start saying, I saw that guy with that over here, 154 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: I see the guy in the video, I know who 155 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: he is. 156 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: It's a very good point, and you have to assume 157 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 2: that there's plenty they're not telling us, which is understandable 158 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: given there are plenty of things that might hurt their 159 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: investigation and the priority has to be getting her back. Finally, 160 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: we've heard rumors they're saying that it's official that the 161 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: family has been cleared. Essentially, could that be another just 162 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 2: taking the heat off, taking the focus off, or or 163 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: do you think that that's legitimate in regards to her 164 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: own family, because in a lot of instances we do 165 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: see statistically that is often the person is known to 166 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: someone if there's been an abduction. 167 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, So with domestic related things, family members being killed, 168 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: you always start at the center. It's a concentric ring. 169 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: You start at the center and you work out in 170 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: terms of strength relationship where it's the strongest relationships immediate family, 171 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: close family, then friends and acquaintances, and then tangential relationships. 172 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: When I was doing work years ago with New Scotland 173 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: Yard and their counter terrorism unit, I liked one of 174 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: the terms they had. It's called tie, trace, interview and eliminate. 175 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: If you don't eliminate people as suspects or get them 176 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: off the board, what you get what's called entropy, you know, 177 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: informational entropy. You get too much in a system, becomes 178 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: too confused, you know, at my age two error And 179 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: I tell people my mind's like a bookshelf. It only 180 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: holds so many books. You put one on, another one 181 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: falls off. But that's the ability to hold you know, 182 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: information in our heads. And so the more complex the 183 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: case gets, the harder it gets to make these connections 184 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: between things. So you need to start taking some chess 185 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: pieces off the board. And it's okay to say we 186 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: have eliminated somebody from suspicion. For example, if somebody accused 187 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: you of committing a crime, but you're in Palm Beach 188 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: right now, and they say, well, you just rob the 189 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: bank in Sydney. Okay, geographically you can't defy the laws 190 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: of physics. That wasn't you, right? So could I eliminate you? Absolutely? 191 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people want to hold on information 192 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: and they want a narrative, right, They want a story 193 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: beginning of middle and a n Right now, we're only 194 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: at the beginning. There is no middle, there is no end, 195 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: and so people want to fill that with a narrative. 196 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: And that's the dangerous part. So that's why you've got 197 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 1: to be careful about what you release. Shape the conversation 198 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: through structured communications on a regular basis, and then when 199 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: you have real results to release that can move the 200 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: case forward, that's when you do it. 201 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: You don't and you don't. 202 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: And if I could say one final thing and I'll stop, 203 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: it's just a personal rant. You got to quit putting 204 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: information out about these so called ransom communications because nothing 205 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: has risen to the level yet. First of all, that 206 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: we have incontrovertible proof of life. And I don't know 207 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: what it's like in Australia with some of the Australian 208 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: rules football or the rugby or stuff. But in the 209 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: United States professional sports, I can't tell you the last 210 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: time where they televised a streaker running across the field. 211 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: Why because it enables more bad behavior. You don't do that, absolutely, 212 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: you know that. So the more that you talk about 213 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 1: this ransom note, the more that they will quote keep 214 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: coming in. 215 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: It's so interesting you say that I was a sports 216 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: anchor for the first fifteen years. They used to call 217 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 2: me the Aeron Andrews of Australia. And I remember when 218 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: we went through a period where we had a whole 219 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 2: heap of streak and of course we'd show it because 220 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: it's funny and we'd have a laugh and then you'd 221 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: be like, but it's so dangerous and it's bad. But 222 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: because it was, you know, it was such good television 223 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: and everyone would watch, it would encourage more and more. 224 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: So then we had to come up with a network 225 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: position where we just wouldn't show them at all. So 226 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 2: you make a good point. And also i'd like you 227 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: to note that I did not ask you about those 228 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 2: ransom notes, so I was attempting to do the same thing. 229 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: So that's a tick on both fronts. Morgan Wright, thank 230 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: you so so much. In thirty seconds or less, what 231 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 2: is your prediction of how this will end? 232 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: I can't predict because it's based on first principles. You 233 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: just have to work the case. You take the world 234 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: as you find it erin, not as you wish it was, 235 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: so you work the case. There are no nons, and 236 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: there are no unknowns, and then there areknown unknowns, things 237 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: we don't know. 238 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 3: We don't know. 239 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: I can't tell you. All I can tell you is 240 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: put in the effort. I'd rather be lucky than good, 241 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: and every now and then luck comes through and advances the. 242 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: Case beautifully said. It's very true in all aspects of 243 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 2: life as well. Thank you so much, Malgrem really appreciate it. 244 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: Make sure, Gods you check out your substack as well. 245 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: Just give us the address of that again. 246 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: It's Crime Reconstructed dot substack dot com. And if it 247 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: shows up on the screen, it's down there too. And 248 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: you can find me on the internet.