1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Love Offering Podcast. I'm your host, Rachel Adam's, 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: author of everyday Prayers for Love, Learning to Love God, others, 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: and even yourself. Each week we dive into meaningful conversations 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: about how to live out the greatest commandment, living God 6 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: with all of our heart's soul, mind and strength, and 7 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: living our neighbors as ourselves, whether through inspiring stories, practical wisdom, 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 2: or biblical truth. My hope is to encourage you to 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: love boldly, live faithfully, and reflect God's love in your 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 2: everyday life. Today, I'm honored to welcome Morgan Krueger to 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: the show. Morgan is the author of Maid to Magnify, 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: Choosing to live for Jesus. When everything tells you to 13 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: live for yourself in a culture that constantly points us inward, 14 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: Morgan offers a refreshing and freeing invitation to shift our 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: focus upward toward Jesus. Through biblical examples like John the Baptist, 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: Mary and Paul, she reminds us that we were created 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 2: not to make much of ourselves, but to magnify the 18 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: name of Christ. Her message helps us recognize the emptiness 19 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: of self focus and embrace the joy peace and purpose 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: found in living for him. Well, Hello Morgan, and welcome 21 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: to the Love Offering Podcast. I'm so happy to have you. 22 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: Well, thanks Rachel, thanks for having me. It's so fun. 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: I told you before this it's just fun to make 24 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: a new friend and to learn about just women out 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: there just doing the Lord's work. So thank you for 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: having me. I feel so honored. 27 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 2: Well, I'm honored to have you. And I love this 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: topic about magnifying not ourselves, but magnifying Jesus. And I 29 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 2: think in today's culture, we're almost so tempted to do 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: the exact opposite, to just to have this self focus 31 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: and to make a name for ourselves. And so I 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: think this is such an important message. What was it 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: in your life and what was going on in your 34 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: surroundings and in your heart that was like I need 35 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: to write a book on this topic. 36 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that question because you know, you can 37 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: always tell what somebody's deepest struggle is by what they 38 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: talk about and what they write about. And that's a 39 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: very humbling thing for me to say, because I really 40 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 1: wrote this message because it was the message I needed. 41 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: It wasn't like, let me teach everyone the ten steps 42 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: of magnifying Jesus. It was like, Lord, how do I 43 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: wake up in this day and age, in this broken self? 44 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: And how do I make much of you? And so 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: it was kind of a few years ago where everything 46 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: came to a head for me personally, and I think 47 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: we can all relate with like seasons of change. Seasons 48 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: of change are very stretching, they're also very telling. So basically, 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: a few years ago, I had a lot of good 50 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: things in my life. I had a job that I loved. 51 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: I was working for a amazing women's ministry. You know, 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: I was doing ministry alongside my husband, and things were 53 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: just really really sweet. But I think if we're not careful, 54 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: we can start to put our identity in these really 55 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: good things. And you know, it wasn't until quickly after 56 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: that my season really shifted. Had a job change, I 57 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: had my first baby on the way, so I was 58 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: becoming a mom, We moved from one city to another. 59 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: All these things were stripped away kind of overnight for me, 60 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: and I remember in that season just feeling like this 61 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: low grade anxiety because I didn't realize how much I 62 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: have been putting my identity in my job, in my marriage, 63 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: in my even body as I was watching it change, 64 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: you know. And so with all of that, I remember 65 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: crying out to God, and he really brought me to 66 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: Ephesians four in that season, and Paul says this. He 67 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: says this in Ephesians four to fourteen. He says, so 68 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: that we may no longer be children tossed to and 69 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: fro by the waves, and carried about by every wind 70 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftness, and deceitful scheme. 71 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: So basically, Paul's like children in the faith. They're just 72 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: tossed by the waves of cultural moments and ideas and 73 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: false identities and all of that. And I kind of 74 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: cried out to God. It's like God, I don't want 75 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: to ride the waves anymore. Would you teach me how 76 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: to take my eyes off of myself and put them 77 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: onto you, the author of my story, the author of 78 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: my identity. Before it even took my breath, you formed me, 79 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: you made me, You have already set my identity in 80 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: stone sold Would you remind me of that? And you know, 81 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: I remember in that season reading a book that absolutely 82 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: changed my life, and I got to put it out 83 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: there for anybody who's looking for like a short, little read, 84 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: but it's by Tim Keller. It's called The Freedom of 85 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: Self Forgetfulness, And my biggest takeaway from that book he 86 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: basically says, the freedom of self forgetfulness is not thinking 87 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: less of yourself, right, it's thinking of yourself less. And 88 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 1: I just started being like, that's the key. It's not 89 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: that we are women of self deprecation, it's not that 90 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: we neglect ourselves, but it's that we think of ourselves 91 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: less because we're thinking so much more about the Kingdom 92 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: of God, about magnifying his name over our own. And 93 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: so that's when I look back and I'm like, that 94 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: shift really started for me, and that message you know 95 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: that we read about now kind of started to take roots. 96 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, but I'm just one girl on the journey 97 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: that needed the message, and so it was such an 98 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: honor to get to even write about it and really 99 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: live through it. So I hope it's an encouragement to others. Well, 100 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: it's an encouragement to me. 101 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: There's two girls, me and you at least, that are 102 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 2: on this journey for sure, and I'm sure most everyone listening, 103 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: and I can't wait to continue today's conversation. We're going 104 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: to take every freak to hear a word from today's sponsor, 105 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 2: and when we come back, we'll talk about the tension 106 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: between living for ourselves and living for Jesus and how 107 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 2: we begin to shift our focus. 108 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back. 109 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 2: I'm talking with Morgan Krueger about her new book Made 110 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: to Magnifize. We've talked about we live in a culture 111 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: that encourages self promotion and self focus. So where do 112 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 2: you see this showing up most in everyday, like especially 113 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: for women. 114 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I want to go as far to 115 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: say that we see it everywhere, but I'll tell you 116 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: what I've been by that. You know, we walk outside 117 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: of our door and we are met with so many 118 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: verbal and non verbal messaging that basically is summarized by 119 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: you determine your destiny. You are enough, you are in control. 120 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: You can kind of go and to use culture language 121 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,359 Speaker 1: like go and be this boss babe and conquer the 122 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: world if you want to. And you know that's really 123 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: out in the world. But also we can be sitting 124 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: at our homes, whether you're a mom or you work 125 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: from home, we also see it in our homes because 126 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: we have now these little devices that bring the world 127 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: culture and voices like right to our kitchen tables or 128 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: right to our beds when we wake up and when 129 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: we're going to bed, And that message is all over 130 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: social media as well, and so really everywhere we turn 131 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: right now, we are seeing that in culture. But I 132 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: also want to say this, as women and men anyone 133 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: out there listening, It would be so easy for us 134 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: to kind of point the metaphorical finger and say, oh, well, 135 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: the problem is out there. We're in a culture war. 136 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: We are at war with those who think differently, or 137 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: the messaging that our young kids are getting. In all 138 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: of that, I think we are called to be aware 139 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: of so that we can have the armor of Christ 140 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: put on to be able to fight that. But I 141 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: also want to say this, the problem is not just 142 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: out there. The problem is also in here. Like Rachel, 143 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: I woke up this morning with a problem in my heart. 144 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,919 Speaker 1: And you know, I always say this are such a 145 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: difference that I since when I've been with the Lord 146 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: versus when I haven't been with the Lord, when I'm 147 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: living in the flesh versus living in the spirit. So 148 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: I woke up this morning in a selfish body and 149 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: a selfish mind and a selfish soul. In my natural 150 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: bend is not to go to for Jesus. My natural 151 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: bind in the flesh is to go toward the things 152 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: of self. We see this all the way back in 153 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: Genesis three, when Adam and Eve had this conversation. They 154 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: basically were convinced and tempted to believe that their ways 155 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: were higher and better and more wise than the ways 156 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: of God. And that is what ultimately led them away 157 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: from God in that moment and made them hide. Is 158 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: I thought I was better, and I woke up in 159 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: that body this morning too, And so I think for 160 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: each of us, we're seeing it out there, we're also 161 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: seeing it in here, and an encouragement in that is. 162 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: I think about the cry of King David in Psalm 163 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: one thirty nine. It's like almost this, like he's so 164 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: I bet he sounds so desperate as he was saying it, 165 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: Like in the best way. He cries out to God 166 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: and he says, search me, oh God, try me, know me, 167 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: point out anything in me that might grieve your heart 168 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: and lead me down the path of everlasting life. So 169 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: this like desperate cry for correction. And I think that's 170 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: a model that each of us can have, because what 171 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: I have found is the Bible is not a book 172 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: of strategy. There are not ten steps to being this woman, 173 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: to being this person who magnified the name of Jesus. 174 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: But I have found Rachel. There's something so much better. 175 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: There's an invitation. There's an invitation to come today tomorrow. 176 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to need to accept that invitation like I 177 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: did it this morning. I'm gonna have to accept it 178 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: this afternoon when I'm short with my kids. I'm gonna 179 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: have to accepted tonight when I'm prideful with my husband, 180 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: to return to the table of surrender. And that is 181 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: the invitation that Jesus gives us. And so, not to 182 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 1: sound daunting, I hope it's encouraging, But to answer your question, 183 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: it is everywhere. It's on our phones, it's outside when 184 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: we walk out the door. It's also in our hearts. 185 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: And so I think if we're going to start somewhere, 186 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: we got to start right here. We got to start 187 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: by crying out, just like David, to search me and 188 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: try me and know my thoughts and then leave me 189 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: down your path. Gup. 190 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, amen, Well you know you share that the more 191 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: we focus on ourselves, the more anxious, insecure and unsatisfied, 192 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: we become so explain to us why self focus has 193 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: that effect on our hearts. 194 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes me think of a survey that Barna 195 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: Group did a couple of years ago of just people's 196 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: deepest worries that they're carrying in their life, and over 197 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: forty percent their deepest worry is just fear of the future. 198 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: Like we are so anxious for our lives. We are 199 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: so anxious for our future. And I think as women too, 200 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: we greatest fear. I think, if we're honest, is if 201 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: I let go of all the worries I'm caring, if 202 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: I stop looking inward, Who's going to take care of me? Right? 203 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: We are nurtures by nature, We are doers. Give us 204 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: a to do list and we will knock that thing 205 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: out and we will feel so good about it after. 206 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: And so I think because of that, our natural tendency 207 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: is God. If I if I lift my eyes, if 208 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: I take my eyes off my list, all these things 209 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: that we're caring, that I'm caring as a friend, as 210 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: a mom, as a daughter, as a wife, whatever it is, 211 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: Who's going to take care of me? And the encouragement 212 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 1: in that is we don't take our eyes off of ourself, 213 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: out of a place of self neglect. But as Jesus followers, 214 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: we are invited to take our eyes off ourselves out 215 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: of a deep trust that as we take that step 216 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: of faith, that God, as a good father, is going 217 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: to take care of God is the one who sees 218 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: our desires. God is the one who holds our stories. 219 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: God is the one who it's way better for him 220 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: to be holding and carrying our lives in the first place. 221 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: And so I just want to encourage anyone listening in that, like, 222 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: you don't have to fear that if you take your 223 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: eyes off yourself then everything's going to fall apart. You 224 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 1: can trust that you have a good father sees you, 225 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: knows you, he knows what you need, he knows the 226 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: desires in your heart. So it's out of a deep 227 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: trust that as I look to him, He's got me. 228 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: Well, So talk to the woman who feels caught up 229 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: in that cycle, like constantly striving, comparing, seeking approval. What's 230 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: the first step towards breaking free? 231 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the first step is we are created 232 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: for relationship with God and we are created for relationship 233 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: with people. And it sounds so simple, but it's really 234 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 1: hard to walk out, and so just to like make it, 235 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, as accessible as possible. I mean, I would 236 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: encourage any woman out there to borrow that prayer. We 237 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: are given the psalms in such a beautiful way as 238 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: language to crowut to God. As also I believe that 239 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: the psalms were given to us as permission, like we 240 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: have permission to bring our messy, chaotic, anxious, worried selves 241 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: to God, because He's not a God that's going to 242 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: reject us as we cry out in honesty and vulnerability 243 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: to him. And so I would say that's the first step. 244 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: But then also I cannot emphasize enough the importance. And 245 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: I'm speaking from experience. I am a hider by nature, 246 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: like I am eve in the garden, where I just 247 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: like I want to self preserve, self protect, I want 248 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: to take control, I want to do all those things. 249 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: But we have this opportunity actually to come to God 250 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: and also come to others and say, hey, I'm willing 251 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: to confess, I'm willing to repent. I'm willing to be 252 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: the woman who goes first. Because the chances are, like 253 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: we're saying, Rachel, we're just two women struggling with this 254 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: but there's probably so many women out there. We know 255 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 1: there's so many women out there struggling, and they feel 256 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: so alone in their worries, They feel so alone in 257 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: their anxieties of life. And something happens when we are 258 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: willing to just open up to one person and that 259 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: powerful reminder of like I'm not the only one so forever, 260 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: for anyone listening, you might have to be the one 261 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: that goes first. You might have to be the one 262 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: who calls, the friend who embraces that awkward moment. I'm 263 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: not going to promise it's not awkward. Like confession, repentance, 264 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: asking for a prayer is vulnerable. It's hard, but there's 265 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: something that happens. And James talks about this. He says, 266 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: confess your sins to one another and pray for one 267 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: another that you might be healed. I love that it 268 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: didn't say pray for one another that you might experience 269 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: some relief. Like he goes as far to say, as 270 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: there's healing power and confessing our sins and being known 271 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: and being prayed for by others, and so just for 272 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: like practical next steps, I would say, like like cry 273 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: out to God and then be willing and brave enough 274 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: to cry out to a friend. You know. 275 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 2: You also talk about taking inventory of our lives, and 276 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: this goes back to like seek me and know me 277 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: and like really having a heart to heart with the Lord. 278 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: So what do you think that looks like practically and 279 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: what kinds of things could should we be paying attention 280 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 2: to when we take inventory? 281 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I love to talk about the idea that 282 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: I call the cycle of self. Right, we have so 283 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: many areas that kind of keep us fixated on self. 284 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: But what I've found in my own testimony, what I've 285 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: found in studying scripture and just talking to so many 286 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: people about this topic, there are kind of three main 287 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: areas that I think keep us stuck in this cycle. 288 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: The first is pride, and I think that we have 289 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: to be honest that no one is immune to the 290 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: struggle of pride. I know I see this come out 291 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: daily as a wife and a mom when you're raising littles, 292 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: like you were going to see your pride so quickly, 293 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: because when something happens with your kids, most likely you 294 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: and your spouse are not going to have the same 295 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: idea of how to handle it in real time. And 296 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: I find that for me, like Pride is my weapon 297 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: of choice a lot of times, and most of the 298 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: time I think I'm right, and most of the time 299 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: I am I'm just kidding it. I'm not all right 300 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: a lot of the time. But that shows where the 301 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: pride comes in. Right. We each think we're right, And 302 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: I think there's a humility of saying okay. The more 303 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: prideful I am. I have nothing to boast spout. I 304 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: was reading in Philippians three this morning, and Paul just says, 305 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: like I could be the one to boast, but I 306 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: have nothing to boast about. I consider it all rubbish, 307 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: literally garbage, compared to the surpassing worth of just knowing Jesus. 308 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: Like knowing Jesus brings us back to this place of 309 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: humility of like. While he is the one who's worthy, 310 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: I am not. So I think pride is the first one. 311 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: I think the second is fear. We all wrestle with fear. 312 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: Fear is such this real thing. Whether it's fear of 313 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: our circumstances, fear of worst case scenarios, fear of failure, 314 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: fear of abandonment, we all have fear in our life. 315 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: And I think God is so tender with us there's 316 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: a reason there's so many times in Scripture that he 317 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: just comes back to this idea of do not fear, 318 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: you do not have to fear. And I don't believe 319 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: God's saying eradicate fear from your life. I think He's 320 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: actually just inviting us to the one who has the 321 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: power to overcome our fear. And then the last one 322 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: is doubt, and I think in Christian circles that's the 323 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: hardest one that we we struggled to talk about. I 324 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: don't know about you, Rachel. I was raised in a 325 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: Christian environment, but I wasn't given a lot of opportunity 326 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: to wrestle with any doubts. It was kind of like, 327 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: if you doubt, here's a verse and then let's move 328 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: on with our lives. And as I've gotten, as I've 329 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: studied Scripture, I feel like there is this beautiful again 330 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: opportunity to doubt, but not doubt away from God. Let's 331 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: doubt and wrestle with the one who has the answers, 332 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: the one who is the voice of truth. Jesus is 333 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: the way the truth of life. So let's come to 334 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: him with our doubts and let's let him speak into that. 335 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: But I think those are the three that I have found, 336 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: and I see this daily in my life that keep 337 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: me stuck, keep me kind of fixated on myself. And truly, 338 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: if you study Genesis three, all three of those are 339 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: found in that one interaction with the serpent and man 340 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: and woman and then how God brought you know, came 341 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: to them. We see pride, fear, in doubt all at 342 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: play right there. So it's the origin of our struggles. 343 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: But I believe that again we just have this really 344 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: sweet invitation to not have pride, fear, doubt away from him, 345 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: but have it with him, the one who actually has 346 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: the power to change us from the inside out. 347 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: Pride, fear in doubt. Oh goodness, Well, I can't wait 348 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: to continue today's conversation that we are going to take 349 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: another brief break to hear word from today's sponsor, and 350 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 2: when we come back, we'll talk about identifying the lies 351 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 2: that we believe, shifting our perspective, and learning how to 352 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: truly make much of Jesus. Welcome back. I'm talking with 353 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: Morgan Krueger about her book Made to Magnify. So, what 354 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: are some of the common lies that keep us stuck 355 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 2: in this self focused mindset. 356 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I just touched on one in 357 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: the sense of, like, if I stop focusing on myself, 358 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: who's going to focus on me? You know? And it 359 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: goes back to that deep trust of the fact that 360 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: we have a heavenly father who is going to provide 361 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: for us. But I think another another one that goes 362 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: maybe into the fears that we're talking about. And I 363 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: know this was a struggle for me and I still 364 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: struggle with this. I think we are born with such dignity, 365 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: and anytime that we have something that's so important to 366 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: the heart of God, the enemy is right there trying 367 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: to attack it. And so if we are people who 368 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: are created in the image of God with the utmost dignity, 369 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: not because of our own selves, but because of simply 370 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: who created us, the enemy is going to attack us 371 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: in the sense of you have such dignity, but I 372 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: don't want you to believe that. I want you to 373 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: actually feel incredibly unworthy. And what happens when we feel 374 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: unworthy is we hide from others, we hide from God. 375 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: We aren't we aren't believing that we're worthy of basic 376 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: things that the Lord has actually created us for. And 377 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: so with that, I think back to my own testimony 378 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: and struggling with that lie, and basically a little bit 379 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: about my story. I walked away from the Lord when 380 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: I was in high school and then in college, and 381 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: I look back on that season and I have nothing 382 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: to boast it again but the Lord's faithfulness. He just 383 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: kept pursuing me. But I got to this point where 384 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: I was really staying hidden. I was really I felt 385 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: like my sins and my brokenness was for me to carry. 386 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: I wasn't trusting that the Cross was big enough to 387 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: really hold my own sin and my own shame from 388 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:50,439 Speaker 1: my past. And I remember I had a mentor of 389 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: mine like encourage me, Like, Hey, I don't know everything 390 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: in your story, but I encourage you to like really 391 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: sit down with a friend and share with them everything 392 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: that you have struggled with. That was so foreign to me. 393 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: I was like really, And my first thought was, yes, 394 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: I'm afraid to say these things, but also like I 395 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: don't want to ask anyone to spend time on me, 396 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: like I feel unworthy of someone's time. And a silly 397 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: kind of story that I think illustrates as well. I 398 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: was on a flight with a friend one time and 399 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: we're sitting next to each other and I pull out 400 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: like a pack of gum and she is like, oh, 401 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: can I have some gum? And I'm like yeah, So 402 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: I pull out a piece and she goes, oh, I 403 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: just want half of the piece of gum. And you know, 404 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: gum is small. It was like a little tried it, 405 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: like it was so tiny, and I'm looking at it. 406 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: I'm like, you just want half of this piece of 407 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: gum and she was like yeah, she kind of got weird. 408 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: I was like, you can have the whole piece, and 409 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: she kind of opened up and she was laughing through 410 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: but she was like, yeah, it's this weird thing. But 411 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: I struggle to feel worthy of a whole piece of gum. 412 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: She's like, when I was in high school, there was 413 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: this one girl who always had the gum, you know, 414 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 1: which is like a total power play in high school, 415 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: like the gum girl because everybody wants them. And she's 416 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: like she would give out pieces to everyone, but she 417 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 1: would only give me half a piece. And I look 418 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: at her and I'm like, you are worthy of a 419 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: whole piece of gum. And in the same way, Rachel, 420 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: we are worthy because not because of our righteousness, but 421 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: because of our dignity and how we've been created. We 422 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: are worthy of someone's time. And so I think the 423 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: biggest lie we can believe is like we're unworthy, and 424 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: that leads to hiddenus, that leads to not letting people 425 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: truly know us. And so for me, I took that 426 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: kind of step and I called my friend Dottie and 427 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: I said, hey, Dottie, like, I'm struggling to feel worthy 428 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: to even ask you for this, but can you sit 429 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,439 Speaker 1: down with me and I can I just share with 430 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: you every single thing that I've ever done or that's 431 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: been done to me? And she said absolutely, and she 432 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: sat there with me for two hours and just listened. 433 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: And I will say, Rachel, you know, I can't recall 434 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: a ton of what she said during that time, but 435 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 1: I recall the look in her eyes as she cried 436 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: tears with me as I shared some of the harder 437 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: parts of my story. And so I go back to 438 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: that and I think, Yeah, that the lie that we're 439 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: not going to be taken care of, and then also 440 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: that lie that that we don't hold worth or value 441 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: to use up anyone else's time. God in scripture, I 442 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: think about John A, and there's so many stories of 443 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: Jesus and women in scripture, and he stopped for them, 444 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: like he literally stopped, and he showed and he modeled 445 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: firsthand that you have worth and you have value. And 446 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: I am willing to stop for you to hear your 447 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: story and to bring healing in your life. And in 448 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: the same way, I believe Jesus has that value. He 449 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 1: speaks that value over us and in our lives. And 450 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: so maybe there's anyone out there just really wrestling with 451 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: that lie of worthiness. And I think in Christian circles 452 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: we love to almost self deprecate ourselves. And when we 453 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: say we're worthy, it is not us claiming righteousness, it 454 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: is claiming the cross. It is claiming our god given 455 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: identity as daughters created informed by Him. So I would 456 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: encourage anyone out there. You know, not everyone needs to 457 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: know everything about your story, but I do believe because 458 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: of how you've been created in the worth that you have, 459 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: that everyone needs somebody who knows. Everybody there knows everything 460 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: about our story. 461 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 2: Well, there's so much in that that I love. We 462 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: do have dignity and worth because we are created in 463 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: His image and we are his workmanship. And and I 464 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: love that your friend that mentor was present with you 465 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: and made time for you, and Jesus makes time for us, 466 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 2: and it's present with us. And then I was just 467 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 2: thinking about your gum story. I love that so much. 468 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 2: And not only are you worth like a piece of gum, 469 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: you can have the whole pack, right, do you know 470 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: what I mean? 471 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: Like you can have the really big pack. 472 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 2: I just think that that's that's such a beautiful example 473 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: and such a simple everyday thing that we can all 474 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 2: relate to. 475 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, shift the next time we see 476 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: the gum, the gum of the gas station, well, think 477 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: about this little story. I mean, Morgan, Honestly, I'm a 478 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: big gum chewer. 479 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: I have at least one or two pieces a day, 480 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 2: and I think, now I will always think of you. 481 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: I'm going to And then also I think I'm gonna 482 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: be thinking about I'm worthy of this whole piece of gum. 483 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: That's right, truly, that I'm gonna be just handing out 484 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: that gum left and right. 485 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: That's a word. Yes, Okay. 486 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 2: So shifting from making much of ourselves to making much 487 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 2: of Jesus, I think can field kind of like a 488 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: big change. So what are some simple daily ways that 489 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 2: we can begin to really live this out. 490 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, you know it's it would be fun and 491 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: easy to sit here and talk about all the big 492 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: ways that we can go out in the world and 493 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: magnify Jesus. But I think we know Rachel, especially as 494 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: wives and mothers and just women in our community. I 495 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: think we know deep down that it's the small moments. 496 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: It's the you know, we go back to that silly 497 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 1: gum story. It was that gum moment where you know, 498 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: to magnify Jesus. I started to research that word because 499 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: I was so captivated by it in luke I when 500 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: I read it years ago, and I really wanted to 501 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: figure it out for myself but also know how to 502 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: talk about it and communicate it to encourage people. And 503 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: the most simple definition that I found for magnify, it 504 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: just means to make great, just means to glorify, to 505 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: make great, and not that we are making great Jesus, 506 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: but we have this opportunity to make great his name 507 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: on earth as it is already in heaven. And so 508 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: with that, you know, that is the small moments, and 509 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: it is basically starting where you're at. Who are the 510 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: people that God has placed around you, who are the 511 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: people in your home? You know, it's so interesting. We 512 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: live in this upside down kingdom where we are called 513 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: to serve and love and show up in the hidden places, 514 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: but culture's message and even again, not just out there, 515 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: but in here in my heart. I am tempted to 516 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: think that the things outside my home, the scene things, 517 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: are more important than the unseen things. But to truly 518 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: magnify Jesus is starting with where you're at when nobody 519 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: is watching. So for me, it comes down to also 520 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: following the Holy Spirit, the promptings of the Holy Spirit. 521 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: So in my home, it's with my boys when they 522 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: need me, and I know that I'm just distracted. I'm 523 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: being the Martha from the story, and I'm just worried 524 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: about many things. It's being married to my kids. It's 525 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: sitting in the presence of Jesus and out of that overflow, 526 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: being able to sit and see my kids and encourage 527 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: my kids. It's being patient with my husband. It is 528 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: crazy how we can talk to our spouses or the 529 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: people we're closest to way that we would never talk 530 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: to anybody else. Like the snappiness that I can show 531 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: my husband, and the like the cutting tone that I 532 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: can have with him that I would never have with 533 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: anybody else. But it's making great the name of Jesus 534 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: in the way that we honor our spouse. It's when 535 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: our friend shares with us something that is burdening them. 536 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: It's making a little note in your phone to follow up. 537 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: It's seeing the person at the gas station that the 538 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: Holy Spirit might be asking you to do something uncomfortable, 539 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: like encourage them or pray for them. This all kind 540 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 1: of comes back when I think about Scripture. I think 541 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: about Luke sixteen, and basically Jesus has this like really 542 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: cool statement and he says, if you are faithful with little, 543 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 1: then you'll be faithful with much. And I kind of 544 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: always took that at face value. Okay, there's little things 545 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: to be faithful with and then there's big things. But 546 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,239 Speaker 1: I think that what Jesus is trying to communicate is 547 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: once you get going and being a faithful follower of Jesus, 548 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: you're going to realize that those little things are not 549 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: little to the heart of God. Those moments of giving 550 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,719 Speaker 1: the gum, showing up for your kids, being patient with 551 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: your spouse, praying for the woman at the gas station. 552 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: God says yeah, yeah, yeah, you thought that was little. 553 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: This is actually a big deal to me. And now yeah, 554 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: I can give you more because you're realizing the deep 555 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: significance in these quote unquote little moments, and so I 556 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: think those are some practical next steps. I hope that's 557 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: encouraging to like, you don't have to go out and 558 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: change your whole life. Just ask God to give you 559 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: the eyes to see where He has placed you and 560 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: the people always put you around, and He'll, I promise, 561 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: give you opportunities to magnify him. 562 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: This is not a shameless plug, but I wrote a 563 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: devotional called A Little Goes a Long Way fifty two 564 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,439 Speaker 2: days to a Significant Life, and hey, so everything I 565 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 2: need that. But I'm like, yes, yes, yes, because I 566 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: couldn't agree with that more that I believe that when 567 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 2: we see Jesus face to face, He's going to point 568 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: out all these little moments that we had no idea 569 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: had any internal impact. So I couldn't agree with you 570 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 2: more on that. Okay, so you've talked about so much scripture, 571 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 2: which I which I love so much about you, your 572 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 2: focus on God's Word that you write about figures like 573 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: John the Baptist, Mary and Paul, who also modelflizes that 574 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 2: magnified to the Lord. So why these three, Like, what 575 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 2: was it that stood out about those people that you 576 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: wanted to write and focus on them? 577 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think each in their own way, they were 578 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: just if I could summarize, you know, they were sold out. 579 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: They were so convinced. And again going back to that 580 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: Tim Keller quote, it's not that they thought less of themselves, 581 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: like when in Philippians three, it's not that Paul was 582 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: being self deprecating. He was just so in awe of 583 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: who Jesus truly is and boasting in the resurrection of 584 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: Jesus that he was sold out. Mary, she was sold out, 585 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: and that's the heart of the entire message of Magnify. 586 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: That's where it all came from. And Luke won. The 587 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: reality is, and we don't always think about this, like 588 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 1: Mary could have had a death sentence on her life. 589 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: To be to be pregnant outside of marriage was an 590 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: incredibly big deal, to the point of death in that day. 591 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: And Mary had every reason to keep her eyes so 592 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: fixated on her solf and her quote unquote problems from 593 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: the world's perspective. But after Elizabeth comes to her, the 594 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: Angel comes to her, the Holy Spirit rests on her. 595 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: Then Elizabeth comes to her and prophesies just this beautiful 596 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: blessing of who Jesus is going to be. And the 597 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: first you know, thing out of her mouth she says, 598 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: my soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices. She rejoices, 599 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: not just my spirit accepts what is happening. My spirit 600 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: is actually full of joy because I'm so sold out, 601 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: like toward God, my Savior. And so with that, you know, Mary, 602 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: she was completely sold out. And then again, I feel 603 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: like I've talked about our boy Paul a million times 604 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: in just a few minutes. But Paul was sold out, man, 605 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: he was shameless for the Gospel. And so I just 606 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: looked to these patriarchs and matriarchs of our faith and 607 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: I just like, Lord, they didn't will themselves into that. 608 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: They didn't just choose that. They were captivated by You, 609 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: and we can only be captivated by the power of presence. 610 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: You know, it all goes back to Luke ten Like 611 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: is the clearest picture that I have read in a 612 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: long time, where Mary is just sitting. She's just sitting, 613 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: She's being at the feet of Jesus and then her 614 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,959 Speaker 1: sister Martha is very worried about all the things that 615 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: I know I would be worried about, and he just 616 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: graciously looks at Martha, but he calls her out. He's like, 617 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: you're so worried about many things, but Mary has chosen 618 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,959 Speaker 1: the one thing, not a good thing, the one thing 619 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: that's necessary. It's not going to be taken away from her. 620 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: And so I think that Paul John, the Baptist, Mary, 621 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: they all had that one thing. They caught win to 622 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: the one thing, and that that's all they were focused on. 623 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: And with that we look at all of their lives. 624 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: It's not that they had easy lives, but God was 625 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: faithful to them to the very end. And so again 626 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: we can kind of take our eyes off ourselves, just 627 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: like these amazing leaders of our faith, because we have 628 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: that deep trust that He's going to take care of us, 629 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: just like you took care of them. 630 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you you've said this, But when we spend 631 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: time with the Lord and truly get to know who 632 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 2: he is, like I think that really is for me. 633 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: Like I think sometimes we forget who he is and 634 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 2: how great he is the King of king and the 635 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: Lord of lords. And I mean just his attributes our 636 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: father and our friend and our redeemer and our savior, 637 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: and you just think about how could we not buy 638 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: someone so great who has done so much for us. 639 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: I think it's got to start with that, to see 640 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: ourselves rightly in comparison to. 641 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: To who he is. 642 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 2: For maybe the woman right now that's like, why would 643 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 2: I magnify the Lord? Like who is he? And why 644 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 2: why do I need to magnify him and focus on 645 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: him rather than myself? 646 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would really encourage any woman out there kind 647 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: of asking that question of like, yeah, Morgan, tell me 648 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: why you know? Yeah, I would encourage him to study 649 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: specifically the Gospels and the way that Jesus entered into 650 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: our stories, because that same Jesus who entered into the 651 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: story of the woman at the well, the woman caught adultery, 652 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: the woman in the crowd who reached out and touched 653 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: the friend of Jesus's robe, that's the Jesus of our story. 654 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: And I think at our core, we want to be seen, 655 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: known and loved, and if we want to see an 656 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: example of the greatest man who's ever lived, who has 657 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: seen us, he has known us, he has loved us, 658 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: he has met every single desire. And he's not only 659 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: able to do that, he's eager to do that. And 660 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: anyone out there who's listening right now and maybe hasn't 661 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 1: experienced that yet, he is so willing and able and 662 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: excited and full of delight to enter into your story. 663 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 1: In the same way. It makes me think of the 664 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,959 Speaker 1: Psalm Turn your eyes upon Jesus, and at the end 665 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: it says, and the things of earth will grow strangely 666 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: dim in the light of His glory and grace. So 667 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: if you're willing to just step into his light, and 668 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: the way we do that is by opening the scripture, 669 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: reading the Gospels, reading about his light, and knowing that 670 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 1: that light is still existing today. Jesus did not stay dead. 671 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: God is still on the throne. That Jesus is still 672 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: on the throne. We understand that invitation that Jesus gave 673 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: in Matthew eleven, and he just says, come to me, 674 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: come to me. That's the invitation, not do more, not 675 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 1: go achieve. He first says, come to me. And you know, 676 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: I love to say this, like way before Jesus ever 677 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 1: gave the great commission to go and make disciples, he said, 678 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: come to me. In Matthew eleven and I think we're 679 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: really good at the going, but we struggle with the coming. 680 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: But if we come first and then we go, then 681 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: we get the order right. Then we realize that he 682 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: is worthy. And from that place that things, the things 683 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: of earth grew strangely did and the lot of his 684 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: gory and grace. So that's the invitation that we have, 685 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: and that's that's what I would encourage anyone out there 686 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,239 Speaker 1: with is start with the gospels. Get to know this man. 687 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: Get to know him first, and see if you're interested, 688 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: and I bet you you will be. 689 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, come and see and then go and tell. 690 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: So good. Okay. 691 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: So this is a question I'm asking all my guests 692 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: this season. Is there a biblical concept of love that 693 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 2: you think applies to this topic today? 694 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. I might sound like a broken record, but I 695 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: have to go with Luke one. I think that again, 696 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: we can so idolize Mary for like the way she 697 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: loved Jesus, she did she would the ultimate mother. But 698 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 1: I believe that her adoration and her love for Jesus 699 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: came out of a place of first being loved. She 700 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: was loved from the start, and she knew she was 701 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: loved from the start, and so you love when Mary says, 702 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: my soul magnifies the Lord, it's because she's so loved, 703 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: she's so sold out for who her savior is. She says, 704 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: my spirit rejoices in God, my savior. She was claiming 705 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 1: God as her savior before Jesus was even born. What 706 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: a beautiful picture of love from the very beginning. 707 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that could be our prayer too, every morning, 708 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: like let my soul magnify the Lord. How beautiful and 709 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 2: what a beautiful heart posture to start every day with. Okay, 710 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 2: so tell us something you are living right now? 711 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, ah, just maybe cliche. I think I'm just really 712 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: loving time with my kids. You know, we go through 713 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: this kind of like winter. I'm such a seasons girl, 714 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 1: and sometimes when you have littles like I do. I 715 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: have a four to almost three year old, and see, 716 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: like the cold dark seasons. It got like dark at 717 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: like four point fifty here in the winter, and now 718 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: spring has sprung, and I think I'm just enjoying watching 719 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: my boys be boys outside, and you know, I love 720 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: playing with them, and I also love watching them like 721 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: the delight as a mom that I feel when I 722 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: am just getting to watch them is unmatched, like it 723 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: is to me one of the greatest gifts of this season. 724 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: So I really love being a mom. I think that's 725 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: my answer me too. 726 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 2: And you know, every time I think about me as 727 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: a mom watching my children, I think about our heavenly Father, 728 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: like what joy and delight he missed out watching us too? 729 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: You know that's the kind of God that we serve. Yeah, okay, well, 730 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 2: I know I want to stay connected with you. I'm 731 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: sure listeners are going to want to, So tell us 732 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 2: how we can do that and grab a copy of 733 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 2: your new book. 734 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 1: You're so sweet. Yeah, I love to connect with people online. 735 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: I'm not a TikTok girl. Don't look for me on 736 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: TikTok okay, but you can follow me on Instagram, and 737 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: if you want to learn more, just spot my heart 738 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: for women and for the things of God and the 739 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: study of God's word. You can do that on my 740 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: website at Morgan Kruger dot com. And then my book 741 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: Made to Magnify that just came out. You can get 742 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: it pretty much anywhere online where books are sold, and 743 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: then you can get it in store at Barnes and 744 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: Noble all over the country. 745 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 2: Well, we'll include the links to all of that in 746 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 2: the show notes. But would you pray for us as 747 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: we close today? Yeah? 748 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely, God, we thank you for today. Lord. I thank 749 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: you for just this spirit filled conversation. I thank you 750 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: for Rachel, Lord, and just her willingness to step into 751 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: just this fruitful ministry. Lord. I know that she has 752 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: counted the cost, Lord, and she has decided to stay 753 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,720 Speaker 1: all out for you, Lord, and I see the fruit 754 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: of that, and so I just thank you and I 755 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 1: bless her. Lord. I pray for anyone listening right now, Lord, 756 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: that there was a nugget, there was something that was 757 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: said that again just encouraged that woman's soul to lift 758 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: her eyes off herself just for a second and onto you. Lord. 759 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: I pray that you would honor that step of faith, 760 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: that step of obedience. If there are specific ways you 761 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: want to prompt her to to reach out, to cry 762 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: out to you God, to call a friend, Lord, and 763 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: step into that healing that comes when we are willing 764 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: to be prayed for and confess our sins. Lord, that 765 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: you would just make that next step very clear to her. God, 766 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: I thank you that you give each of us not 767 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: a strategy, but an invitation to come to you and 768 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: to magnify and make great your name on earth as 769 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: it is in heaven. So be with us and thank 770 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 1: you for this time in Jesus name. Amen, Amen, Morgan, thank. 771 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 2: You for your time today. It's been a joy to 772 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: be with you, and I appreciate you helping us to 773 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 2: realize that we're made to magnify. 774 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Rachel. 775 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to the Love Offering podcast. 776 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 2: I hope today's conversation reminded you that you were never 777 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 2: created to carry the weight of making your own name great. 778 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: You were created to. 779 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 2: Magnify his, and as you do, you'll discover the joy, peace, 780 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: and purpose your heart has been longing for all along. 781 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 2: If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with a 782 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 2: friend and lever review. It helps others find the show 783 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 2: and spreads the message of love even further. To connect 784 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 2: with me, visit me on my website at Rachelkaadams dot com, 785 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 2: where you can downlo and led the Love Always Devotional, 786 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 2: a free resource to help you realize how beloved you 787 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 2: already are. Be sure to check out Morgan Krueger's book 788 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 2: Made to Magnify, Choosing to live for Jesus when everything 789 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 2: tells you to live for yourself. A special thank you 790 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 2: to life Audio for supporting this podcast and making it possible. 791 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: To find more great podcast visitlifeaudio dot com. Until next time, 792 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: let's make our lives an offering of love.