1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hey friends, it's Day Niche and you're listening 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: to the Rebuilding US Marriage podcast. Have you ever experienced 3 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: a time when your spouse was unfaithful and you find 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: yourself paranoid. Maybe you go through their phone, you go 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: through their emails, You're constantly trying to dig up information 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: because you just do not trust that they are fully 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: on the up and up. That is what this conversation 8 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: is all about. Today. I had a listener right in, 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: and if you've been listening to the show for a while, 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: you might remember when I used to do these Q 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: and A episodes. It was when anyone, whether you're a listener, 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: past client, anyone could write in a question about their 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: marriage and I would answer it live on the show. Well, 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 1: I haven't done one of these in quite a while, 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: but I got a question that I thought would be 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: very instructive for you. And when I say you, I 17 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: mean you who have dealt with infidelity in the past, 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: You who have trust issues in your marriage, You who 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: have felt betrayed in your marriage. You who find yourself 20 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: wanting to trust your spouse. Maybe it's not in fidelity, 21 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: maybe it's something else, but you want to trust your 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: spouse but you just don't seem to be able to 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: move past what was done. So I'm going to read 24 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: this question to you and FYI, even though this wasn't 25 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: submitted as a listener question, I did reach out to 26 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: this listener and ask her if I could share her 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: question because I believe that it's going to be really 28 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: helpful for those of you who are in this situation. 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: So she writes, Hey, Dana, I love your podcast. I've 30 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: been listening for a few months, and I feel like 31 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 1: I've probably listened to at least fifty episodes so far. 32 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: I also enrolled in your infidelity intens of course, I 33 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: found out that my husband cheated last year, and I 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: just can't seem to move past it. I'm praying, working 35 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: on forgiving him, and just trying to pick up the pieces. 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: He seems very sorry most days, but some days he 37 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: seems to just retreat. He'll isolate and stay to himself, 38 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: which triggers me. Of course, I find myself always wanting 39 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: to go through his phone, his car, his emails, anything 40 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: to see what's really going on. I haven't found anything new, 41 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: but I still can't shake the feeling that something is 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: not right. I'm hoping you can help me to know 43 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: the difference between being truly concerned versus being paranoid. Thank 44 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:29,799 Speaker 1: you for all you do, and I hope to hear 45 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: from you soon. All Right, I love this question so 46 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: much because I can relate. Listen. I remember when Sean 47 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: and I were really working through our whole infidelity, right, 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: And if you don't know our story, go back and 49 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: listen to some of the episodes that I've done on 50 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: After the Affair. I have a whole series called After 51 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: the Affair and another series on infidelity specifically. But I 52 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: remember when I was healing from sewn infidelities and the 53 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: whole going through the phone thing was an addiction. It 54 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: really was. It was an addiction, and it is an addiction. 55 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Not only is it an addiction, but it is also 56 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: re traumatizing you every time you go through that phone. 57 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: I want you to imagine yourself if this is your issue, right, 58 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: if you find yourself going through your spouse's stuff all 59 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: the time. You know how your heart races when you're 60 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: looking for something, and especially if they're in the house 61 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: with you and you're sneaking through their phone, right and 62 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: you're trying to find it real quick before they can 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: come in there and there's like this physiological thing is 64 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: happening to you. You don't necessarily know what it is, 65 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: but there's something that is happening to you where your 66 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: heart is racing, maybe you're sweating, maybe your palms are sweaty, 67 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: you're nervous, right, there's a level of stress that comes 68 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: with that. So physically, you're retraumatizing yourself, but emotionally, you're 69 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: also re traumatizing yourself because you're continuing to live in 70 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: the past of what happened. You're trying to find evidence 71 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: to support the feeling that you have, which is I 72 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: cannot trust my spouse. And let me just be real 73 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: clear with you. If your husband and I'm speaking to 74 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: our listener here, if your husband just cheated last year, 75 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: you're not gonna trust him in a year. You know, 76 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: when I meet these couples and they and they're like 77 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: totally oblivious to the fact that trust takes time to rebuild, 78 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: you know, Like I'll meet couples sometimes and they'll be like, 79 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: it's been six months. My wife doesn't trust me yet, 80 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: it's been a year. My husband doesn't trust me yet. Listen, 81 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: this is a long game. This is a long road. 82 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: The road to rebuilding trust is long, and it's messy. 83 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: It's not linear. You're gonna have ups, you're gonna have downs. 84 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: You're gonna have times that you feel like, you know what, 85 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: I'm doing really good today, and then there are gonna 86 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: be days that you feel like you're starting over from zero. 87 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: And so my advice to you is, you gotta quit 88 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: going through the phone like cold turkey. And I know 89 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: that that's not easy. And this is why it's not easy. 90 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: When we are hurt, we go into fight flight or freeze, 91 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: right Like, these are our nervous responses, our nervous systems 92 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: responding to the trauma that we have endured. So when 93 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: we go into the fight flight or freeze, what that 94 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 1: really is it's self preservation. You're trying to protect yourself. 95 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: And the way that you protect yourself is you have 96 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: to stay two steps ahead of your husband because if 97 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: he's doing something, at least if you know about it, 98 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: This is what we tell ourselves, at least if I 99 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: know about it, then it's not going to be as traumatizing. 100 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: That's not true, because if God forbid, your husband is 101 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: doing something and you find out about it through his phone, 102 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: you're going to still be traumatized, just like you would 103 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: be if he told you. So, going through the even 104 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: though it seems like I'm protecting myself, I get to 105 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: find out the real deal, right, I'm really in the 106 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: know if he's lying, at least I'll know he's lying. 107 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: We tell ourselves these things because it helps us to 108 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: feel better about what we're doing. But you're really betraying 109 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: yourself by going through your spouse's phone all the time. 110 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: And listen, I know because I did it for a 111 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: long long time and I told myself the same things 112 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: that you're telling yourself. Well, he's not going to be honest, 113 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: So how am I going to find out unless I 114 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: go look, Oh yeah he may have said this, but 115 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: he didn't give me the full story, so I got 116 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: to go find the actual details and the phone. But 117 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: listen to this, and we know this intuitively. Where there's 118 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: a will, there's a way, and sin knows how to hide. 119 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: If your husband is out here doing something, he's probably 120 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: not going to be sloppy enough to leave it in 121 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: his phone one because he's already been caught. So once 122 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: you're caught in an affair, it kind of teaches you 123 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: how to hide, which is an unfortunate symptom of the 124 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: whole infidelity situation. When your spouse is caught, they then know, okay, 125 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: let me change that person's name and my phone. So, like, 126 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: if you're looking through your husband's phone and you see 127 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: random names or like last names only, this is what 128 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: I used to do. I used to call those numbers. Now, 129 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: my husband was in the military. He was in the reserves, 130 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: but he was in the military, and so you know 131 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: the military, everybody goes by last names. So he I'd 132 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: be like, who is Smith? Who is Jones? Who is Michael's? 133 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: You know, who is this person? And he'd be like, oh, 134 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: that's this guy that I work. So I would just 135 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: call the numbers, and of course it will usually be 136 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: a female who would answer the phone. So if you 137 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: see things like that, it could simply be a male 138 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: friend or it could be a female friend. But then 139 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself what am I going to 140 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: do with said information? And this is one of the 141 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: things that really helped me when I decided that I realize, 142 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm traumatizing myself by going through my husband's phone all 143 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: the time. I need to stop this. And then I 144 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: started asking myself some really important questions. One of those 145 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: questions was if I find something out, what am I 146 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,559 Speaker 1: prepared to do about it? Am I going to leave? 147 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: Am I going to make him leave? If the answer 148 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: is no, I'm not gonna make him leave and I'm 149 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: not gonna leave, We're gonna work through this, Okay, Well, 150 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: then the next question is, Okay, what else am I 151 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: going to do? Am I going to call the person? 152 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: Am I going to send them a text message? Am 153 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: I going to block their number? Like? What am I 154 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: going to do? Because a lot of times real talk, 155 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: we have no plan, we have no plan. We're just 156 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: in there looking through the phone. We're just in there 157 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: searching through the emails, and then you stumble upon something 158 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: and you're like, now, now what do I do? So now, 159 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: not only have you re traumatized yourself by going through 160 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: your husband's phone and all of his information, but now 161 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: you feel stuck and you feel helpless because because now 162 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: you know this information and you don't know what to 163 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: do about it. So then what happens. Then you'll usually 164 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: confront your spouse who knows that they're caught, and now 165 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 1: you're back in the crazy cycle of lying, defending, arguing 166 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: all of that. So there is a much better way 167 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: that you can help yourself to get out of the paranoia. 168 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: And I'm going to share that with you right after 169 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: the break, So don't go anywhere you are. We have 170 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: to take a quick break for a word from our sponsor. 171 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Hey, real quick. I have to 172 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: let you know about my flagship course, Infidelity Intensive. So 173 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: many couples have gone through this course, and many couples 174 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: marriages have been restored after infidelity. Yes, even after infidelity. 175 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: Betrayal hurts, it's hard. 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Now, what I am 194 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: not saying is if there's an active of fair happening, 195 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: just give him some grace. No, no, no grace. If 196 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: there's an active affair happening, or if you find out 197 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: that they're still lying to you, right then you need 198 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: to deal with that. But in this case, our listener said, 199 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: she's been going through her husband's phone, she's been going 200 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: through his car, his emails, and she really hasn't found anything. 201 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: So chances are he might be telling the truth. She 202 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: hasn't found anything to the contrary. So at some point 203 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to just decide am I going to 204 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: believe my spouse or am I not? If you've decided 205 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to believe my spouse, which hopefully, if you're 206 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: deciding to stay in the marriage and you're deciding to 207 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: work through it, then hopefully you're giving your spouse the 208 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. Now, don't turn a blind eye 209 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: to things that you see, like, don't ignore red flags. Okay, 210 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: but if you haven't seen anything, you haven't learned any 211 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: new information, nothing new has presented itself, then you're gonna 212 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: have to decide either I'm gonna believe my spouse or 213 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: I'm not. But give yourself some grace, because again, rebuilding 214 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: trust is messy. It's hard, This is not easy. Your 215 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: spouse is likely to say things to you that you question, 216 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: that you don't believe. When they tell you they're going 217 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: to be somewhere, you're going to wonder are they really 218 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: gonna be there or are they meeting somebody. That's normal. 219 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: This is a part of the rebuilding process. When I 220 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: say give yourself some grace, I mean go easy on yourself. 221 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: You've been through a lot and these responses are very normal. 222 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: But also give your husband some grace. Again, if he's 223 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,719 Speaker 1: not been untruthful, if you haven't found anything new, then 224 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: give him some grace. If he says this is where 225 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be, choose to give him the benefit of 226 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: the doubts until you learn that you shouldn't. This is 227 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: the thing when you're rebuilding trust, it has to start 228 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: somewhere right, And this is a hard part. It's scary. 229 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: What if I trust him and he's still lying. What 230 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: if I trust him and he's still cheating. That's gonna hurt. 231 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: Yet is really gonna hurt, But you know it's also 232 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 1: going to hurt. What if he really is on the 233 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: road to recovery and you never actually give him the 234 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt, You never actually throw him a 235 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: bone and say, Okay, I'm going to choose to trust 236 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: you this time. So this takes a lot of faith. 237 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: And this is why I often tell couples, especially if 238 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: you're in your faith, if you're a Christian, don't trust 239 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: your husband, don't trust your spouse right now. But trust God. 240 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that as some little cliche put 241 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: this on a T shirt or a mug. Trust God, No, like, 242 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: really trust God. Really believe that God is able and 243 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: willing to protect you and to bring you into the light, 244 00:13:57,600 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: to bring you into the know of the things that 245 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: you need to know. I remember years ago I went 246 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: to a Joyce Meyer conference. Forgive me if I've told 247 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: this story before, you guys, if you heard it before. 248 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: But years ago I had gone to this Joycemeyer concert 249 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: or conference, excuse me, conference with my best friend in Nashville. 250 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: And this was back in the day when that song 251 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: how Great is Our God was really big, like every 252 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: church was singing it. Everybody was singing it, How Great 253 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: is Our God? How Great is Our God? That song, 254 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: And there's a lyric in that song that says, he 255 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: raps himself and light talking about God, he wraps himself 256 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: in light and darkness, tries to hide and trembles at 257 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: his voice and trembles at his voice. And y'all, I 258 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: had heard that song fifty times. I don't know one 259 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: hundred times. I've heard that song so many times. But 260 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that day at that Joyce Meyer conference, 261 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: it was like a light bulb went on in my 262 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: mind and I said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Woe 263 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: Wait a minute. God is light, the Bible says in him, 264 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: there is no darkness at all. That means that where 265 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: God is, darkness cannot coexist. So that means if I 266 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: have the spirit of God living in me, darkness cannot coexist. 267 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: So if there is something happening that is dark around me, 268 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about like you can't go through 269 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: periods of darkness as a Christian, you can. But what 270 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: I'm saying is that if you are living in the 271 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: dark right, like your husband's pretending, let's just say your 272 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: husband's totally pretending that everything is right, he's changed, you 273 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: can trust me, I'm doing all these good things. If 274 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: he's doing that simultaneously, while you're praying that the Lord 275 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: would shine his light on your marriage, who do you 276 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: think is gonna win? Who do you think is gonna win? 277 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be your husband, It's not gonna be 278 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: the works of darkness. Because our God is greater. Our 279 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: God is greater, Our God is strong. And so when 280 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: you begin to pray, and this is why prayer has 281 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: to be your lifeline. Like I love that you said 282 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: in your question, you said, I'm praying, I'm trying to 283 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: forgive him, right, Prayer has to be your lifeline because 284 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: it's your protection. That is your protection, not you going 285 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: through his phone, that's not protecting you. But when you 286 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: pray and when you say God, I trust you, I 287 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: can't trust my husband right now. I don't know if 288 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: I can trust my husband right now. I want to 289 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: trust my husband, but it's too hard. But God, I 290 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: trust you, and I'm trusting God that if there's something 291 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: that is going on, that you will reveal it to me. 292 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: What I specifically prayed was this, Lord, reveal everything to 293 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: me that I need to know, and do not reveal 294 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: to me anything that I do not need to know. 295 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: That was my prayer because I didn't want to know 296 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: about something that I couldn't do anything about. But I 297 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: did want to know about the things that I could 298 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: do something about. And God has been so faithful to that, 299 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: so so faithful, not only with me and my husband, 300 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: with my children. If you're a parent, you need to 301 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: be praying that same prayer over your kids. Lord revealed 302 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: to me everything I need to know, and don't reveal 303 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: to me anything I don't need to know. God has 304 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: done that for me time after time after time, and 305 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: he'll do it for you too if you ask him again. 306 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: He is your protector, He is your shield. I'm grateful 307 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 1: that you're going through in fidelity intensive. There's so much 308 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: in there, and you know that because you're already going 309 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: through it, but encourage your husband to go through the 310 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 1: course as well. He can have his own separate login, 311 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: and you guys can be going through this on your own, 312 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: or you can go through it together. Totally up to you. 313 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: But the reason that I encourage you to have him 314 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: go through it is because there are lots of modules 315 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: and sessions in that course where I speak to the 316 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: unfaithful partner. One of the reasons that I think people 317 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: gravitate to me to help them rebuild after betrayal is 318 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: not only because I've lived it, but also because I 319 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: give just as much grace to the unfaithful partner than 320 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: I give to the wounded partner. And by that, I 321 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: don't mean that I excuse behavior. I don't y y'all listen. 322 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: If you listen to this podcast, you know I do 323 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: not mince words. I do not play games, Okay, but 324 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: I give grace and I understand where both partners are 325 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: because I've been on both sides, and I know that 326 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: a lot of times when you've been unfaithful, there is 327 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: so much shame that you are walking every single day. 328 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: And perhaps I don't know this to be true because 329 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: I've never met your husband never spoken to him. But 330 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: perhaps the reason that he isolates, the reason that he 331 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: goes to himself, is because he's battling shame. He needs 332 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: to be delivered just like you need to be delivered. 333 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: He needs to be delivered from shame. You need to 334 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: be delivered from fear and infidelity. Intensive is going to 335 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: help him greatly. So I would highly encourage that he 336 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: go through this again on his own or with you. 337 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: I think he's going to find a tremendous amount of 338 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: healing as he goes through these modules. And then the 339 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: last thing I'll say is, this is my formula for 340 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: rebuilding trusts. I've said this on this podcast many times, 341 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: and I'm going to say it again. Trust is built 342 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: by good behavior over time. That's the formula. There's no shortcuts, 343 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: there's no additions, subtractions, it's just the formula, good behavior 344 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: over time. How much time, as much time as it takes. However, 345 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: you don't want to prolong the time because you're not 346 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: even willing to give your husband the benefit of trusting 347 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: him in anything. So how do you start? Okay? This 348 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: is one thing that I recommend to people all the time. 349 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: Don't start necessarily by okay, my husband's going on a 350 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: three night business trip and I have to trust him, 351 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 1: even though he's had affairs with his coworkers in the past. No, 352 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: you're not going to trust him. Okay, that's normal. But 353 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: how about your husband says I'm going to go to 354 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: the grocery store and I'll be back at seven. Instead 355 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: of being like, hmm, he's not going to be back 356 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: at seven. I bet he's going to meet somebody. How 357 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: about you start with something small. You know what he said, 358 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: he's going to the grocery store. He said he's going 359 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: to be back at seven. I choose to believe he's 360 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: going to the grocery store and that he's going to 361 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: be back at seven, and when he comes back at 362 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: seven with groceries in hand, acknowledge what he's done. That 363 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: might seem so silly. You might be like, really, I 364 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: need to say thank you for going to the grocery 365 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: store and coming back at seven. Yes, because trust is 366 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: built by good behavior over time. All of us want 367 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: to be acknowledged when we do something well. And guess what, 368 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: we're just like little puppies. We really are. When your 369 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: puppy does something good and you give him a treat, 370 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: what does the puppy want to do? He wants to 371 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: do that thing. Again, that's how we all are. So 372 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: if you treat your husband, if I can put it 373 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: that way, which is a compliment with the affirmation, Hey babe, 374 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: thank you for being back on time, thank you for 375 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: being where you said that you were gonna be. That's 376 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: like a little treat. And I'm telling you that does wonders, 377 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: especially for somebody that's battling shame. So I'm so thankful 378 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: for your question. And again I don't tell people like 379 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: just don't go through the phone as much. It's like 380 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: a drug. You either are doing drugs or you're not. 381 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,239 Speaker 1: You're either going through that phone or you're not. And 382 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: most people can't just go through the phone for five minutes. No, no, no, 383 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna go through it as many times as you can, 384 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: all day, every day, whenever he turns his back, whenever 385 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: he leaves it in your vicinity, and you're just gonna 386 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: have to stop cold turkey. You're just gonna have to decide, 387 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: I'm not doing this to myself anymore. This is torture. 388 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: You know it's torture. This is torture. God, reveal to 389 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: me what I need to know if my husband is 390 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: being unfaithful, if my husband is being deceptive, Reveal that 391 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 1: to me, Lord, and trust that God will do that, 392 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: because he doesn't want you walking around in the dark. 393 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: It's not God's will for your life that you be 394 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: thinking that your marriage is good and it's really not 395 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: and you're just oblivious to the whole thing. So if 396 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: you ask God to reveal to you the truth, he will. 397 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: But then you can't go uncover your prayers by still 398 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: going through your husband's phone all the time. And temptation 399 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: is going to come, just like it's gonna come for 400 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: your husband. Just because your husband is remorseful and repentant 401 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's not still being tempted. But just the 402 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: way that he has to say no to that temptation, 403 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: you also have to say no to the temptation of 404 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: going and looking for evidence. If something is truly going on, 405 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: it will be exposed. It will be you don't have 406 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: to go looking for it though. It's going to protect 407 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: your mental peace. It is going to protect your peace. 408 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: And listen, at this point, the way that you start 409 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: your healing process is you have got to learn to 410 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: protect your peace. So I know this episode was a 411 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: little more granular than normal. I really kind of got 412 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: in the weeds. And if you are listening and you're like, wow, 413 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: that was me or that is me, I am all 414 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: up in my spouse's Maybe you're a man and you're 415 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: going through your wife's phone and text messages and emails 416 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: and Instagram account all that. Listen. I don't care who 417 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 1: you are, a male, female, husband, wife, doesn't matter. Let 418 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: God be your vindicator. Let God be the great revealer 419 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: that he is. And if there's something going on that 420 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: you need to know, trust that he will tell you 421 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 1: what you need to know when you need to know it. 422 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: So I'm praying for you because again, this is not easy. 423 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: It's not easy, it's hurtful, it's hard. But I believe 424 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: that you can do this, and I know that as 425 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: you continue to go through infidelity intensive you're healing. It's 426 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: right there and I'm really excited about that for you. 427 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: So thanks again for writing in. Well you all, I 428 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: am going to be going back to having you all 429 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: write in your questions and me answering them on the episodes. 430 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: I think that such an intimate way of sharing with you. 431 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: Some of you all can't necessarily start coaching right now 432 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, but you still have things that are 433 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: going on now. This is not going to be like 434 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: a coaching session, okay, But just like you saw me 435 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: do with this listener, I'm going to use these questions 436 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: that I feel like affect a lot of people, and 437 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: I will be using some of those. So if you 438 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: have a question that you want to submit, you can 439 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,119 Speaker 1: always send that in to info at Danashay dot com. 440 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: That's I NFO at d A n A c che 441 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: dot com. Thanks so much for listening and I'll see 442 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: you on the next episode. Take care,