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Speaker 2: Hi from the Salvation Army. You're listening to Words of Life.

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Speaker 3: These are the words are the Life.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Words of Life. Today is part two

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Speaker 4: of our conversation with author Preston Fiddler. He's the author

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Speaker 4: of the book One Thousand Cups of Tea, which was

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Speaker 4: a big inspiration for the series we've been in. But

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Speaker 4: if you missed last week's episode, go back and listen

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Speaker 4: to that conversation first wherever you listen to your podcasts.

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Speaker 4: Once again, here's Preston Fiddler.

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Speaker 1: I am blessed. You are blessed that we grew up

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Speaker 1: in a Christian home.

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Speaker 4: But if I had been born in a predominantly Muslim country,

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Speaker 4: I would have had a much different journey to Jesus

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Speaker 4: that could have been met with a lot of hardship,

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Speaker 4: a lot of family who's abandoned me because I abandoned

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Speaker 4: their faith. There's so much there that if we are

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Speaker 4: just seeing everyone as a project, we're really kind of

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Speaker 4: missing the point to just love them for where they are.

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Speaker 4: We want to introduce them to Jesus. But if that's

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Speaker 4: the ulterior motive from the start is to just fix them,

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Speaker 4: we're never going to get through a thousand cups of

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Speaker 4: tea with them because they're going to be like, I'm

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Speaker 4: not a project.

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Speaker 5: A friend of mine st that he kind of approaches

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Speaker 5: it from this perspective when he shares a gospel with

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Speaker 5: and he works across culturally, but he's always thinking, you know,

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Speaker 5: I just never want people to be thinking that they're

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Speaker 5: a project, because that's not at all what I want

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Speaker 5: to be, you know, like approaching it. I really want

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Speaker 5: to see them for who they are, as precious in

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Speaker 5: God's sight, and so his his his his old mantra

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Speaker 5: which I really love and I hold on to, is

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Speaker 5: to you know, if people would be asking us, do

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Speaker 5: you love me because you want me to become a Christian?

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Speaker 5: Or do you want me to become a Christian because

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Speaker 5: you love me? And I think that that kind of

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Speaker 5: goes back to what you were saying. You know, if

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Speaker 5: we view people as projects, that's not love. If we

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Speaker 5: view them as precious in God's sight, that God dearly

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Speaker 5: loves them, and then we ask God for his compassion

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Speaker 5: to love them, everything changes. In the book, you mentioned

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Speaker 5: a pephrase that your friend Dan, I think it was

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Speaker 5: used called glittering it with the gospel. Could you unpack

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Speaker 5: that idea. Yeah. Dan, He's a great example of just

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Speaker 5: walking this out. And I really try to learn as

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Speaker 5: much as I can from people who I either coach

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Speaker 5: or i'm coached by. Sometimes less is more. Sometimes you

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Speaker 5: just have to, you know, like listen to where people

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Speaker 5: people are and if you know they're struggling with just

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Speaker 5: a deep need in their lives, they see it that

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Speaker 5: you love them, and they see the compassion and they

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Speaker 5: see you're listening, you're attendee. There is empathy, you know,

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Speaker 5: in that conversation there. And then there's this moment when

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Speaker 5: the wind shifts and it's like God, you're prompting me

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Speaker 5: right now to share this, and you share this story

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Speaker 5: and it just, i mean everything changes. People see, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's like they receive that truth from God through your

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Speaker 5: testimony and through what you're sharing, and it just glitters

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Speaker 5: that conversation with the gospel. It may be you know,

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Speaker 5: like five percent of that whole conversation, but it's just

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Speaker 5: that moment, that moment where everything changes, and then it

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Speaker 5: just opens the door to more conversations. It allows them

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Speaker 5: it's just this mindset of you don't need to pressure

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Speaker 5: and then you're self satisfied in a sense with getting

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Speaker 5: the whole gospel or whatever you want to call it

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Speaker 5: into that conversation. Just share what God prompts you to share,

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Speaker 5: God is at work in that conversation and in your

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Speaker 5: with and trusting that God is you know, He's going

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Speaker 5: to give me the words to say. So yeah, Dan,

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Speaker 5: when he said, you know, let's glitter our conversations with

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Speaker 1: For those who might be listening who are like, I'm

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Speaker 1: not a preacher. I can't quote scripture left and right.

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Speaker 1: You know what you said is so key. It starts testimony.

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Speaker 1: No matter how many scriptures you can quote, Sometimes the

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Speaker 1: most powerful thing you can say is despite all of that,

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Speaker 1: this is what God has done in my life. And

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Speaker 1: if you just start there and just tell your own

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Speaker 1: story just you know, even a non believer, they they

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Speaker 1: can't deny my story. They know, no one can take

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Speaker 1: that from me. That that is, that is my testimony.

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Speaker 4: So even if someone's like, well I don't believe in

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Speaker 4: this or I don't believe in this, well, this is

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Speaker 4: my life, and that could just be an inspiring just

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Speaker 5: Right, man, I think that that is so so true

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Speaker 5: if you just if you just open the opportunity for

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Speaker 5: them to share with you what's going on their lives,

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Speaker 5: they will. And we people just deeply long for for us,

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Speaker 5: for for people, say anybody, but let's be that person

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Speaker 5: who will be willing to listen to somebody's hard story,

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Speaker 5: somebody who's dealing with church hurt or or somebody who's

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Speaker 5: just struggling with unbelief, or somebody who's dealt with you know,

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Speaker 5: maybe a real challenge in their life or maybe a

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Speaker 5: deep loss. But to be able to listen and respond compassionately,

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Speaker 5: and what you just said about you know, sharing our testimony,

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Speaker 5: there's no that is so powerful. And I think when

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Speaker 5: we do that from the you know, from this place

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Speaker 5: of you know, this is what God's word said, and

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Speaker 5: we identify in our testimony with God's word. I mean,

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Speaker 5: there's so much that God wants us to understand and

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Speaker 5: testify to that this is our testimony. We share that

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Speaker 5: that that that the joy of the Lord. As we

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Speaker 5: you know, read the gospel in scripture, maybe it would

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Speaker 5: Stephen or whoever Peter, you know, we identify with this,

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Speaker 5: and I think God calls us to that place of

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Speaker 5: deep identification and then also identifying with the person you know,

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Speaker 5: to communicate truth to people in ways that really I

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Speaker 5: to that truth. This is our testimony. I love that

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Speaker 5: you know that you brought that up because it's it's

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Speaker 4: be right back. Let's say you're just you see someone

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Speaker 4: they're in pain of some kind. Asking if you can

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Speaker 4: things you will ever do as a Christian. It's also

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Speaker 4: one of the scariest things to offer if you've never

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Speaker 4: done that, especially if you're an introvert like me. But

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Speaker 6: I've had the heilarious moment where like I've offered to

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Speaker 6: And I was just like, man, God, I really felt

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Speaker 6: just he's looking for obedience. He's looking for someone who's

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Speaker 4: They shut the door, you have no idea what God

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Speaker 5: You had that kind of prompting, I mean, I think

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Speaker 5: Spirit to go up to that person and share. That's

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Speaker 5: But it has less to do with language, as I've

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Speaker 5: good personal study and then have time in a controlled

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Speaker 5: able to be fluent in the gospel, like get time

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Speaker 5: to fill our lives to overflowing. I mean Psalm twenty

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Speaker 5: we're just so enriched by the time that we have

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Speaker 4: just have it, Like if you even just picked up the.

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Speaker 1: Book A Thousand Cups of Sea, that's already.

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Speaker 4: A step of saying I have a heart for this,

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Speaker 4: and maybe again, you're an introvert like me. I was

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Speaker 4: telling Chris the other day I live in a largely

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Speaker 4: was beautiful out, so everyone was cooking. Everyone had a

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Speaker 4: barbecue going on. So it smells amazing in my community

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I so want to be the

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Speaker 4: Says, oh, you know, hey, aw man, that smells good,

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Speaker 4: I'll be back for it, you know, a snack later

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Speaker 1: And there's such a part of me like it's just

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Speaker 4: But Chris was like so gentle and saying He's like,

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Speaker 4: but the fact that you even thought of that, God

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Speaker 4: praying that, like, you know, God, I don't want to

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Speaker 4: just to start there.

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Speaker 5: Man, I so identify with what you just said, because

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Speaker 5: I'm naturally introverted and it's really hard for me to

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Speaker 5: get to know my neighbors. And I mean, I'm just

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Speaker 5: picturing you know, you walking around that block, and I'm

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Speaker 5: just placing myself in my neighborhood here where I'm going. Ah,

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Speaker 5: I just want to be that guy same as you,

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Speaker 5: And I honestly so strongly identify what you just said,

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Speaker 5: like that's what I want to do. And so that's

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Speaker 5: my prayer and God, I think God is pleased with that.

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Speaker 5: He honors that prayer. He takes you know, this deep

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Speaker 5: desire that we have where we feel like we can't

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Speaker 5: you know, like the joy of being able to then

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Speaker 5: see him like put that opportunity in front of us

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Speaker 5: where we were like this is this is an answer

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Speaker 5: to my prayer. Lord, Thank you. So I really appreciate

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Speaker 5: you sharing that, Preston.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for all the work that you do.

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Speaker 4: You really are inspiring, and thank you for your time.

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