1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,159 Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I'm your host, Catherine Seekers, and in 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: today's episode, we will tackle this vitally important question, how 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: do we actually practice Sabbath in a world that never 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: slows down? 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: Now? 8 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: Last week we explored a surprising truth. Many Christians have 9 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: overlooked one of God's Ten commandments. Somewhere along the way, 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: we've forgotten that Sabbath wasn't merely an Old Testament ritual 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: or a burdensome religious rule. No, it was God's idea 12 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: from the very beginning of creation, a gift woven into 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: the fabric of our humanity, designed for our flourishing, long 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: before sin ever entered the world, long before the law. 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: But knowing that Sabbath matters raises an even bigger question, 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: how do we actually live it out in a culture 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: that celebrates busyness and productivity. What does it look like 18 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: to embrace God's rhythm of rest? And as parents, how 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: do we model this life given gift for our children? 20 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: So they learned that their worth is not found in 21 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: endless striving, but in abiding in Christ. That's the ground 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: we will cover in this episode of Christian Parent Crazy World. 23 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm joined again today by doctor Stephen Hall, who has 24 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: served as a minister in the Church of God for 25 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: nearly four decades. He holds degrees in Biblical Studies, pastoral Counseling, 26 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: and spiritual Formation, and Doctor Hall currently serves as Associate 27 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: Professor of Pastoral Ministry at Lee University, and along with 28 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: his wife, Lyudawn, he also co founded ministry Oasis, which 29 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: is a ministry devoted to the sole health of pastors 30 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: and ministry leaders. Now Moms and Dad's last week's episode 31 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: with doctor Hall challenged me and my husband perhaps more 32 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: than any conversation I've ever had in five years of 33 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: hosting this show. Because I wasn't raised actively practicing the Sabbath, 34 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: and neither was my husband. Like I said last week, 35 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: we simply do not receive much solid teaching on the Sabbath, 36 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: and like so many believers today, I viewed it primarily 37 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: as an Old Testament law rather than a creation mandate, 38 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: a gift that has woven into God's design for human flourishing. Now, 39 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: I want to recap a little bit of what we 40 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: talked about last week to make sure we're all on 41 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: the same page this week. But if you did not 42 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: hear last week's episode, please go back and listen to it, 43 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: because you are gonna want that critical foundation of the Sabbath. 44 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: As you heard. Doctor Hall gently corrected my own thinking 45 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: throughout that conversation, and I'm so grateful that he did. 46 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: We have got to understand that Sabbath is not about legalism. 47 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: It's not intended to be a burden. Rather, the need 48 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: for Sabbath still exists because God created it for our good. 49 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: He designed it to help us flourish before the law 50 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: was given to Moses. And if we aren't practicing Sabbath 51 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: in some meaningful way, we shouldn't be surprised when we 52 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: find ourselves exhausted instead of thriving. We simply cannot flourish 53 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: when we consistently live outside of God's design, and Sabbath 54 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: is part of that design. It's not meant to burden us, 55 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: It's meant to bless us. That's why I'm so excited 56 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: about the rest of this conversation with doctor Hall, as 57 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: he shares practical ways that we can begin practicing Sabbath 58 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: even in the midst of our busy lives. Now for 59 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: some of us, depending on the season, that may look 60 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: different than others. It may not always be a full 61 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: twenty four hour period. If you've got young kids, if 62 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: you're a caregiver, or if you're a God given responsibilities, 63 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: simply don't allow for an entire day right now, That's okay. 64 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: The point is not perfection. The point is seeking God 65 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: and asking him how to live within the rhythm that 66 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: he designed, a rhythm that blesses us through rest. And 67 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: I wanted to add this too. I think my biggest 68 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: takeaway from last week's conversation is this we were designed 69 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: to work from rest, not rest from work. Yes, now 70 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: God worked for six days and then he rested. But 71 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: as doctor Hall pointed out, mankind was created on the 72 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: sixth day. 73 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 3: So Adam and. 74 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: Eve's very first full day was the seventh day, and 75 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: that was a day of rest with God before they 76 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: ever lifted a finger to work. That's also reflected the 77 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: Jewish understanding of a day. Their day begins at sunset, 78 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: when families gather together and share a meal and worship 79 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: and rest in preparation for what lies ahead. That's why 80 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: Genesis says there was evening and there was morning the 81 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: first day. We tend to think in exactly the opposite day. 82 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: Our day begins with the alarm clock, our week begins 83 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: on a Monday. We work, work, work, work, until we 84 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: finally collapse into the weekend, which is often filled with 85 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: errands and chores and catching up. You guys, that is 86 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: not God's design. So as you listen to the rest 87 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: of this conversation, I pray that the Holy Spirit prompts 88 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: you your heart to consider how you can begin incorporating 89 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: Sabbath into your own life, into your home, and into 90 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: your family. That's exactly what we're doing here in the 91 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: Seegers household right now. We're taking an honest look at 92 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: our rhythms and asking God to teach us what obedience 93 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: looks like in this area. So with that said, we're 94 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: going to pick up this week's episode right where we 95 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: left off. Last week. We laid that critical theological foundation 96 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: for Sabbath, so now it's time to talk about what 97 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: it actually looks like to live it out in our 98 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: modern world. So then let's turn our eyes to the 99 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: trust issue. I think that we have. I think a 100 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: lot of people, well, how can I possibly do that? 101 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a lot like giving or tithing, giving 102 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: of our first fruits, the principle of giving first fruits, 103 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: and it is a first fruit. It's a first fruit 104 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: of our time rather than just our finances are our resources, right, 105 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: so we have certain resources, and the first fruit concept 106 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: in the Old Testament that we are given is to 107 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: give of our first fruits to God, of the things 108 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: that we produce, of our resources, of our income, first fruits. Well, 109 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: this is very similar in that it's giving the first 110 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: fruit of our time in order to refresh ourselves, to 111 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: commune with God so that we can become that reservoir 112 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: that overflows. So do you think that's a good comparison 113 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: there to giving, because I think it's a trust issue. 114 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: If you're not raised with that, it's very hard to 115 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: get out of our cultural mindset because you think, I 116 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: need every dollar that I earn, and I need every 117 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: minute that I have of my work week in order 118 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: to produce in order to provide for my family. And 119 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: a lot of people are coming, probably in today's economy, 120 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: from a place of need and perhaps not having enough, 121 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: and they're like, well, I don't have enough time. How 122 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: can I give time? I don't have enough money? How 123 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: can I give money? And yet, coming back to this 124 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,559 Speaker 1: other mindset I think is hopefully I know it's freed 125 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: us in our finances. God has always provided for us there, 126 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: So if we do it with our time, won't God 127 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: do that in the same way with our time as 128 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: he does with our finances. 129 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: In this post fall world, we generally recognize Sabbath centrally 130 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: as an issue of trust. Can I trust God enough? 131 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: Yep? 132 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 3: As in Matthew Chicks Matthew six, seek first the Kingdom 133 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: of God, and all these other things will be added 134 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: to you. You know, That's what we'd love to quote 135 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: that verse. But we rarely are willing to sabbath because 136 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: we're so worried that God's not going to add all 137 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 3: these things to us. And so consequently we don't seek 138 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 3: the kingdom verse by keeping Sabbath, because we need to 139 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: work according to the Pharaoh of our culture, who keeps 140 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 3: demanding more bricks, more bricks, more brick, and we keep 141 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 3: bowing to that, we keep honoring that and denying sabbath. 142 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: So trust is being able to say okay, and we 143 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: can get into the practicalities of it if you want. 144 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: But the trust is saying there's a hard stop here. 145 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 3: For me, there's a hard stop. And I'm gonna trust 146 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: God with all of my unanswered emails. I'm gonna trust 147 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: God with all my unattended bills. I'm gonna trust God 148 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: with all my unrunner errands. I'm gonna trust God with 149 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: all the people I didn't call back. I'm gonna trust 150 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: God with this, and He's going to have my back, 151 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 3: and I trust. 152 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: That is exactly where I landed as well. It's a 153 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: trust issue, whether it's your finances and giving first fruits, 154 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: or whether it's your time and giving the Sabbath. 155 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: I think. Let me also say that the Sabbath because 156 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: it's creation based, it's rhythm based. Yes, rhythm. Rhythm is 157 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: something we train into. Sabbath is a training exercise for 158 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: our soul. When we put in place the discipline of 159 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: Sabbath to look back on the joy of creation and 160 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: forward to the joy of heaven, and we flop down 161 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: in the presence of God and we learn to only 162 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: do the work of soul restoration on that day, then 163 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: we are training ourselves to trust. Trust doesn't happen naturally. 164 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: It is trained into, and Sabbath is our training in 165 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: that creation based understanding for trusting God. And so consequently 166 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 3: we live not with a capitalistic, consumeristic scarcity mindset based 167 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: on discontent. I mean, what would happen if we all 168 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: decided we were content with what we have? Amazon would 169 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 3: go out of business. So Sabbath Sabbath is saying, hey, 170 00:10:55,440 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 3: take stock of what's really important. Reflect on the greatest commandment, 171 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 3: love for God, love for self, love for others. Cherish 172 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: that moment, make it a sanctuary in time, as Abraham 173 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: Ashell would say, and just spend that sanctuary in time 174 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: recalibrating your soul so that you will live healthy. It 175 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 3: creates perspective for work that we are not under the 176 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: pharaoh's slavery anymore. We are freed to live with the 177 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: shepherd rather than in servile slavery to the pharaoh of 178 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: our culture. 179 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 4: M that is so rich and so good, and I 180 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 4: do think there is an although I don't know that 181 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 4: we have a pre fall comparison with the first ruts 182 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: of tithing or giving, but we do like that. 183 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: It's at its root a trust issue, and one thing 184 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: that was really such a blessing for me growing up 185 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: in the home that I did my parents are so 186 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: good about giving of their first fruits to ministries through 187 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: the church, to missionaries, very very generous to those in need. 188 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: And I caught that. They taught it, and I caught 189 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: it very young, and so it was never a problem 190 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: for me in our marriage to walk out that with 191 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: our finances and our giving. And I've seen just time 192 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,359 Speaker 1: after time after time how God has blessed us financially 193 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: and internal go to like a friend or someone who's 194 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: in need, who's struggling financially and perhaps not living with 195 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: that first fruit mindset, and I'll encourage them and they'll 196 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: be like, I don't have enough. I don't have enough. 197 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: I can't start that because they're they're in that slave mentality, right. 198 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: So I'm so grateful that I had that in the 199 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: area of finances, But I would say because of a 200 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: lack of good teaching and training, which hopefully we're giving today. 201 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: I know we are. We're starting to educate people about 202 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: it's the same mindset that trust, that trust mindset with 203 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: my time that God can do more with the six 204 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: days than he can do with the seven when we 205 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: violate the Sabbath, when we don't give him that first 206 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: fruit of our time, and it's not meant to be 207 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: though some laborious sacrifice. It's meant to be refreshing and 208 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: life giving, and it will be. I told you in 209 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: the last when in our first episode that I'm older 210 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: and older I get I crave the Sabbath. I crave 211 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: that downtime, that rest, that disconnect from the world, that 212 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: reconnect to my heavenly Father and to those He's placed 213 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: closest to me. And so I think that getting to 214 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: the root of that trust issue is huge. So I 215 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: want to talk about first of all, before we get there, 216 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: I just want to say, I think that our inability 217 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: to do this, or the reticence we might feel, might 218 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: be God exposing some idols in our life that have 219 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: taken priority over Him. 220 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: So I would encourage my listeners myself included, like, if 221 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: we immediately have that well I can't do that, then 222 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: ask the Lord why that might be, Whether it's with 223 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: your finances or with your time here with the Sabbath, 224 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: why might that not be? 225 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: Is there an idol here? If we're really worried that 226 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: we can't trust that God's way is the best way 227 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: and that he has designed it this way for our 228 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: flourishing both financially and physically in our bodies. I would 229 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: reverse that physically first in our bodies and then with 230 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: our finances. If we can't trust him in that, maybe 231 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: there's an idol there that we need to put under 232 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: the foot of the cross and repent of. But how 233 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: then do we go about for those of us who 234 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: have not been practicing the Sabbath, who may have rhythms 235 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: that have build up like kudzoo all over and taken 236 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: over our Sabbath day? 237 00:14:59,000 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 5: Right? 238 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: Do how do we get rid of this kudzu on 239 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: our Sabbath day? What are some practical ways that we 240 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: would start to do that? How do you, for example, 241 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: you can give us an example of how you honor 242 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: the Sabbath and practice it yourself. 243 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 3: Sure, happy to do that. And by the way, Sabbath 244 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: is not about adding one more thing to your to doing. 245 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: Sabbath is about removing all the to do things from 246 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: your list. Yes, okay, so that's really Dallas Willard used 247 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: to say that all the time, and so I think 248 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 3: it's really important to have that vision that it's not 249 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 3: oh my gosh, now I got a Sabbath. 250 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: One more thing to. 251 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: Do, it's not one more thing to do, it's removing 252 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: all things to do. And so that's really the key, 253 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: just to give a vision. First of all, I want 254 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 3: to make sure that everyone listening understands that Sabbath is 255 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 3: not a heavy burden. So Sabbath doesn't have to be 256 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 3: twenty four hours. It's best twenty four hours, but it 257 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: doesn't have to be twenty four hours. It's gonna be 258 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: twelve hours, it's gonna be four hours, it's gonna be 259 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: eight hours. I think of a couple in my church 260 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: when I introduced this to the church over time. They 261 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 3: came to me as a family with two small kids 262 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: and you know, dual income and work and all, and 263 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 3: they said, we have no idea how to keep Sabbath. 264 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: I said, well, when might you carve out eight hours? Well, 265 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: we could do that on Saturday morning, you know. And 266 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: I said, well what if husband you took the first 267 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: four hours and wife you took the second four hours. 268 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 3: And they just said, oh, you can do that. Sure. 269 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: So he would wake up early, go on and run 270 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: go down to go to fish or something like that. 271 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: He would come back four hours later, she would throw 272 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 3: the kids at him, run out of the house and 273 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: go do something for that she enjoyed doing, you know, 274 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: that was an opportunity to do that. Then they would 275 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: come back together, they would have some family time and 276 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 3: devotions together, and that was it. It was so simple. 277 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: My sabbath is very has been curated over time. So 278 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 3: it's awkward at first, it's weird at first, it's clunky 279 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 3: at first. You need if you're single, you got to 280 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 3: worry about getting yourself on board. If you're married, then 281 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 3: you're worried about on boarding your spouse, if you have children, 282 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 3: eventually bringing them into the mix. But me, my wife 283 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 3: and I, over time, I started my first by myself 284 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 3: dealing with some kind of sabbath. She was a slower adopter. 285 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: She eventually adopted sabbath, and then ultimately our kids were 286 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 3: older and we really regret that. We wish we would 287 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 3: have done it earlier. Imagine if, like your parents, you said, 288 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: your parents lived and taught tithing and you caught it. 289 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 3: Imagine if parents of young children would live and teach sabbath, 290 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 3: their children would catch it, and they would break the 291 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 3: yoke of the cultural pharaoh over their children's lives, and 292 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: their families in the future would be so much healthier 293 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 3: if we now could begin living this. And just to 294 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 3: give you a vision of my own Sabbath now as 295 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 3: it works, as it's become to be, is that, uh, 296 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 3: you know, we will prepare for Sabbath on my on 297 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: the website ministry Oasis dot com. We have I have 298 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 3: this teaching about the sixth or the sixth sacred Essays 299 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 3: of Sabbath, and so we walk through those and then 300 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: but we we prepare for it. So my wife and 301 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 3: I will make sure we've got whatever we need for Sabbath. 302 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: It's like that manna you get two days and so 303 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 3: then you don't have to worry about gathering it on 304 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 3: the Sabbath. So we prepare for it. We set our agenda. 305 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: My wife is the planner of our Sabbath. So I'm 306 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: working most of the week, and she has the luxury 307 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 3: of not having a career job, so she thinks about 308 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 3: Sabbath and what she'd like to do and what we'll 309 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 3: do together. And so we we wake up slow on 310 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 3: our Sabbath day. We make love slow, we make breakfast slow, 311 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: We get into our day slow. We do God's speed 312 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: is slow. So when the sun goes down on Friday, 313 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: that's our trigger. We light a candle, read a few 314 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 3: like we read the Kiddish. It's a couple prayers that 315 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: welcome Sabbath. We just have that ritual in our life 316 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: and then we just retire, go to bed. Like I said, 317 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 3: we you know, wake up slow, make love slow, make 318 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 3: breakfast slow, get into our day slow. We just engage 319 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 3: the day in that way, and everything is slow. I 320 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: will often get involved in some kind of Bible thing, 321 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 3: or look at some videos of particular teachers that I 322 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: enjoy that I don't get a chance to really immerse 323 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 3: myself in. My wife may do go do a craft 324 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 3: or engage in something she really enjoys doing. We'll come 325 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 3: back together at lunch. We'll go get some lunch, will 326 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 3: have lunch, we'll go thrift shopping. I will come back. 327 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 3: Maybe I'll go fly fishing. Maybe she'll go meet with 328 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 3: a friend. Or it's very very creative, not constricting, not complicated, 329 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 3: not complacent, creative, joyful, rich. 330 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: I want days like that. That sounds amazing. It does 331 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: allude to your the phase of life that you're in. 332 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: But I love that the couple you talked about because 333 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: they had it sounded like they had younger children. And 334 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: so how do you do that? And so, yeah, obviously 335 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: taking a full twenty four hours off, somebody's got to 336 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: be watching them, so you can't really do that. And 337 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 1: necessarily every phase of life, or maybe maybe you're older 338 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: and you're a caregiver for an elderly parent or relative 339 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: and they need they need care twenty four to seven. 340 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: So trying to find those pockets of time which God 341 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 1: will provide for you. And I love how it's I 342 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: think most people would look at a day like that. 343 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: I know I do and say, Lord, please give me 344 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: one day like that every week. And depending on what 345 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: phase of life you're in. If you still have children, 346 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: you know you're more of the grandparent age, but if 347 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: you have children at home, particularly young children, I love 348 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: that idea of tack teaming it, having part of the 349 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: Sabbath for you, part of the Sabbath for me, let's 350 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: come together, let's do something all together as a family, 351 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: but also really getting into that rhythm with our children. 352 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: And I think anything you could do visually. I love 353 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: the prayer that you mentioned that the ushers in that 354 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: Sabbath would really be beneficial to us as parents, and 355 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: that was that's amazing. I think what you're saying. So 356 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: you usually do it like the Jewish Sabbath starting Friday 357 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: night going through Saturday up to the evening. So would 358 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: you say, though, for people where that particular time period 359 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: isn't available to them, or a Sunday time period isn't 360 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: does the action day matter? Does it happen to be 361 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: the same Yeah, it doesn't have to be the same 362 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: day every week. It doesn't have to obviously be the 363 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: same activities. It just needs to be a disconnect from 364 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: the world and our usual paid and unpaid work. Doesn't 365 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: have to be a full twenty four hours if your 366 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: phase of life doesn't allow you to do that with 367 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 1: young children or caregiver or perhaps ur in a season 368 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: like I hated this but the last few weeks, especially 369 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: because we're moving and getting our house ready to sell, 370 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: and my husband was home for this little short period 371 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: of time, and sometimes it was on the day that 372 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: we would usually want to do Sabbath. So you can 373 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: shift it, you can move it around, but making it 374 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: that priority, I love this. I think that's so practical, 375 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: so helpful, so doable. I think even if it's just 376 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: a window of time every week that you're doing because 377 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: you have young children, how would you say then? And 378 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: this has frustrated me. I think you were talking about 379 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: this earlier. Sometimes our churches just overload us with so 380 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: much on our schedules and so much stuff, Like sometimes 381 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: the time I wanted to spend with my kids, my 382 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: kids were out doing evangelism or small groups or other 383 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: training at the church because they are on worship team 384 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 1: and prayer team and kids team, and those are all amazing, 385 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: wonderful things, But sometimes you have to I think, was 386 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: it Oswald Chambers said you have. 387 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,439 Speaker 2: To get rid of the good to get the best 388 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: of the greatest. 389 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: I think I think that's where that came from. But 390 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: what would you say for that and any other thought 391 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: you have about this rich topic of Sabbath and how 392 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:34,719 Speaker 1: to practice it. 393 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 3: Sure I would recommend that, especially in community, like if 394 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 3: you're talking about church, if if we as church, even 395 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: in a life group, imagine a life group that studies 396 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 3: Sabbath and they say, hey, we would love we would 397 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 3: love to start Sabbath. And maybe there's a single mom 398 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 3: who's working three jobs and somebody says, I'm a retired couple, 399 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 3: if you'd like me to babysit, we'll help you will 400 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 3: help you keep Sabbath. How can we help you keep Sabbath? 401 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: How can this family watch have a playdate while this 402 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: couple has Sabbath and then trade reciprocate. Imagine if community, 403 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: if a ministry was leading. Like in my church that 404 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: I pastored for eighteen years, we had a facility Sabbath 405 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: where there was no programming, no programming on one day 406 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 3: a week to create space for people and ultimately rest 407 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 3: the facility, rest the people. No one had to be 408 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 3: at work that day. This is his creating margin and 409 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 3: it takes courage to choose to do this. You will 410 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 3: never ever ever get lucky with Sabbath. You will never 411 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 3: get lucky with Sabbath. Sabbath is a commitment. It's a 412 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,679 Speaker 3: decision to choose to do it, to live according to 413 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 3: the creation routine and rhythm and allow rest to lead 414 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 3: your life. And when you decide to do that, it 415 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 3: will be counter cultural. It will be a contrast cultural 416 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 3: decision that goes against the grain. When when my wife 417 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 3: and I decided our family was going to keep Sabbath, 418 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 3: we actually had to say no to soccer on Saturday 419 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 3: m Most people aren't willing to do that. Well, we 420 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: weren't willing to do that for a while. That was 421 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: our one of our biggest hurdles to say no to 422 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 3: Little League or no to dance because they were having 423 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: recitals or you know, promotions or performances. And we're like, yeah, 424 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 3: well that's our Sabbath. We don't do that on Sabbath. 425 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: And then they're like, how can you say, how can 426 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 3: you say that your kids need this kind of stuff? Hey, 427 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: we don't. We don't. Uh, we don't answer to a 428 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 3: worldly authority. We answer to a godly authority, and we 429 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: trust God that our children will actually thrive by resting 430 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: in rhythm. 431 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: That is so good, and that is challenging. It is 432 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: a lot of trust. I think everybody needs to just 433 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: really try to absorb this and pray about it. Lord, 434 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,959 Speaker 1: how do you how are you calling me to do this? 435 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: What step can I take this next week and try 436 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: to ingraft into my family to take? And I love 437 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: that you brought in the single mom because it would 438 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 1: be very, very hard for her, you know, and I 439 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: know some mothers in that situation. But that kind of 440 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: reminded me of something we talked about in the last 441 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: episode when we're talking about Allied educational environments. Is to pray. 442 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 1: To pray if you're in a situation where Sabbath this 443 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: this just sounds wonderful but impossible. Right to pray for 444 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: the right, you know, for God to provide for you 445 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: to be able to do that, because He will provide 446 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: for those things that He wants us to do that 447 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: he requires us to do. It's the fourth Commandment. It's 448 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: something we're supposed to be doing. He will provide. And 449 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: I love that it doesn't have to look the same 450 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: way for every person or the same time period or 451 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: the same day. It can vary because we're in a 452 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: sporting situation too. With one kid. He came to us 453 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: and he was like, when he was six, Mom, I 454 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 1: think God made me to play baseball. And I have 455 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,719 Speaker 1: to say, he has a true gifting and a calling 456 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: I think in it. But I told him, I said, 457 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: it's not for you, it's for the Lord. And so 458 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: trying to figure out how that looks because it's the 459 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: same thing you were talking about so much of that 460 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: our weekends can end up being busyness like that, some 461 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: good busyness, but trying to find We've already talked to 462 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: some coaches in our new area about well, here we are. 463 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: This is what we do. It doesn't look like what 464 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: your other players may do. Is that okay with you? 465 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 3: You know? 466 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: Can we play on these days but not those days? 467 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: And trying to make trying to make that work and 468 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: finding a team that would accept that, you know, and 469 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: it's not easy. It's not easy. But I absolutely love this. 470 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm very excited to pray about this some more because 471 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: this is a time of honest reflection. I would encourage 472 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: where you might start set aside some time this next 473 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: week on a day, call it your sabbath. And if 474 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: this is all new to you, just reflect upon this, 475 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: take some notes, and just go to the Lord and say, God, 476 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: how do you want me to start practicing Sabbath? 477 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 3: How so what we said? What if people said, you know, 478 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if I could pull this off? Well, 479 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 3: what if you decided to start with baby steps? What 480 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 3: if you decided to start micro sabbathing? 481 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: Hey, friends, it's Catherine here. 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Because Christian parenting 498 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: may be crazy, but you don't have to do it alone. 499 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 3: What if people said, you know, I don't know if 500 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: I could pull this off? Well, what if you decided 501 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 3: to start with baby steps? What if you decided to 502 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: start micro sabbathing and what does that mean? That means 503 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 3: that you're going to set an alarm on your phone 504 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 3: or schedule out your day where you were going to 505 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: take two minutes, two minutes, every three hours, every six hours, 506 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: every four hours, it's your alarm's gonna go off, your 507 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 3: phone's gonna remind you it's going to ding, and you're 508 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: gonna say, ah, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm 509 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 3: gonna walk downstairs outside the office building. I'm gonna look 510 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 3: up at the clouds. I'm gonna just quote a scripture. 511 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a big deep breath, and then I'm 512 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 3: gonna go back to work. What can you do? I 513 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 3: love Susanna Wesley. Susanna Wesley had like like ten kids, 514 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: and all these kids were running John and Charles and 515 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 3: all that are running all around, and her husband was 516 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 3: off itinerating, and she was completely alone in this house. 517 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 3: I mean having tough, you know, kill the chickens and 518 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: pluck the feathers and cook the dinner and all this 519 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 3: kind of stuff. And she would during the day pull 520 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 3: her apron up over you remember that, you know on 521 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 3: the story absolutely ahead, that's Micro's sabbathing and our kids 522 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 3: and our kids knew, oh, you better not disturb mom. 523 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 3: During this moment, she's reciting the scripture, she's having the prayer. 524 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 3: She's only taken a couple of minutes micro sabbath and 525 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 3: then let it lead out. The only reason I shared 526 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 3: my sabbath right now is because that might be an 527 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 3: ultimate vision. You can't if you don't have a vision 528 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 3: of where you want to go. If you don't can't 529 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: see the ultimate thing, then you don't know where. You're 530 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 3: just going to random directions. So I just gave mine 531 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 3: to give you some sort of ultimate vision, but not unrealistically, 532 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: that you can work towards, building up towards something like that. 533 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: I think it sounds dreamy and wonderful and it's a 534 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: great aspiration. I think you know that is a wonderful 535 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: thing to build towards. But we can all do something, 536 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: And I love that Susannah Wesley, as I do recall 537 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: that story, she pulled the apron up over her head. 538 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: That was her little micro sabbath. So I think that's 539 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: a wonderful idea of how you can begin. But just 540 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: spend some time asking the Lord. Because the sabbath was 541 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: made for man. It was made for us, for our refreshing, 542 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: for our renewal, for our connection to God. Not to 543 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: be some arbitrary distinction from the world, but because God 544 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: designed us this way, we have a craving and a 545 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: need for it. And it's just like when we don't 546 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: we can put anything in our mouths, but only certain 547 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: things actually provide nutrition. So if we begin to look 548 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: at our need for rest and reconnect, reconnection to God 549 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: and relaxation and a separating from the world and mind you, 550 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: I am so excited. I hate checking my email anyways, 551 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: but just turning off the phone, turning off the email, 552 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: all of the social media, disconnecting from all of that. 553 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: Getting in tune with God's creation as one of my 554 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: favorite ways to get back in tune with my creators. 555 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Just enjoying what he created and speaking to him about that. 556 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: But just put it on your calendar, set some time aside. 557 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: I love that idea. If you can't do a full 558 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,479 Speaker 1: twenty four hour day sabbath, do a micro sabbath and 559 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,239 Speaker 1: get yourself an apron, put it over your head for 560 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: a few minutes, but set it aside and allow the 561 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: Lord to use that. And I think, just like with 562 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: our giving, he may be able to increase that over 563 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: time as our faith grows and as He provides opportunities 564 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: for us to better keep the sabbath. This has been amazing. 565 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: Do you have any final thoughts for our audience. 566 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 3: See, I would like to offer some resources. Yeah, that 567 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 3: would some really really good follow on material if you 568 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: will just give yourself permission. Like, for instance, if somebody 569 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 3: wants to I like golf, well guess what they're gonna do. 570 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 3: They're gonna read books on it. They're gonna look at podcasts, 571 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 3: They're gonna go to the driving range. If somebody says 572 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 3: I like cross stitching, I like needle point, They're gonna 573 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 3: want to read a needle point magazine. They're gonna want 574 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 3: to investigate a blog. So if you're interested in Sabbath, 575 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 3: do something that will educate you to it. And I 576 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 3: want to encourage you in a couple different ways. Number one, 577 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 3: John Mark Komer's book on the Ruthless Elimination of Hurry. 578 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 3: Fabulous place to start. It will acquaint you with the 579 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 3: demands of our culture, the pharaoh of our culture, and 580 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 3: just start there, The Ruthless Elimination of Hurry. And then 581 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 3: there's if you like podcast, the Rule of Life podcast. 582 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 3: They Rule the Rule of Life Podcast. The very first section, 583 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 3: the very first episodes in that podcast are all about Sabbath. 584 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 3: People sitting around talking about Sabbath, how to do it, 585 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 3: what works, what doesn't work, Biblical foundations, theological foundations, practical 586 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 3: cultural foundation. So so good. Those two resources will get 587 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 3: you moving in that direction. 588 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: Awesome. Why don't you tell us where our listeners can 589 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: learn more about you at your ministry and what you do. 590 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 3: Sure a good place to go would be Ministryoasis dot com. 591 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 3: Ministryoasis dot com, and that'll give you some insight into 592 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 3: who me and my wife are and what drives us. 593 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 3: And you can't love well if you're not rested. 594 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: I think that is spot on. We can't love our 595 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,320 Speaker 1: creator well, we can't love ourselves well, and we can't 596 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,840 Speaker 1: love the people we actually love well if we're not rested. 597 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: So that's why we have to make this a priority 598 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: and make sure we're bringing that forth Commandment back. We 599 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 1: have educated a lot of people about it today and 600 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: now we're responsible for what we've just learned for a 601 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: lot of you in my audience, myself included to some degree, 602 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: although I've looked into it, but we might be a 603 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: lot like Alexandla, who is raised in a culture where 604 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: she honestly she did, I mean it was such a 605 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: I guess a free culture where she was raised in France. 606 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: She honestly didn't know what adultery was or that it 607 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: was wrong. It was so commonplace for people just to 608 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: sleep with whoever and live with whoever. She did not know. 609 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: But when she became aware of that knowledge, she was 610 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: responsible for that and she was able to walk in 611 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: truth and the blessings, the full blessings of God, because 612 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: God wants to bless us and refresh us and fulfill 613 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: us as we walk and write relationship with Him as 614 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: our creator. And part of that is making sure that 615 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: we start with rest that was so huge, and work 616 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: from rest, not rest, so that we can work. And 617 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 1: thank you so much, Steve, this has been so rich. 618 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: I'm personally just so excited to go back and listen 619 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: to it all again and really learn it from what 620 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: we discussed today, but really take it to my creator 621 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: and say, God, what are you calling me to do? 622 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: What are you calling my husband to do, our family 623 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: to do? In terms of Sabbath? How can we better 624 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 1: keep the Sabbath? How can we go to the next level. 625 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: We have a certain level that we've gotten to, but 626 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: how can we take this to the next level and 627 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: really make this fully what you've called it to be 628 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: in our lives. Thank you so much, Steve, It's been awesome. 629 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome. Glad to be with you, Catherine. 630 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: As we wrap up today, my prayer is that you 631 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 1: won't leave this conversation feeling guilty or overwhelmed, but rather 632 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: that you feel encouraged. Ask the Lord, just show you 633 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: what honoring the Sabbath can look like in this season 634 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: of your life. He knows your family, he knows your responsibilities, 635 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: and he delights in leading his children into rhythms that 636 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: bring life and peace and flourishing. Sabbath isn't about earning 637 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,239 Speaker 1: God's favor. No, it's about slowing down long enough to 638 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: receive his blessings. And as you begin modeling that rhythm 639 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: of worship and rest, you'll be giving your children one 640 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: of the greatest gifts you can offer the example of 641 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:04,359 Speaker 1: parents who trust God enough to stop striving like the 642 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: rest of the world does and simply abide in His presence. 643 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: Then too, you can learn how not to rest from 644 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: work like the rest of the world does. Rather, you 645 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: can learn how to work from a place of rest. 646 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: And as always, remember God gave you your kids. Your 647 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: specific kids for a reason. That's because you hold the 648 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: key to unlocking who God created them to be. 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