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Speaker 1: Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of

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Speaker 2: Hi. This is Dennis Prager, and as always I thank

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Speaker 2: you for subscribing to my CDs, tapes or however you

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Speaker 2: receive my talks. The one you're about to hear I

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Speaker 2: gave to an evening sponsored by the Christian by the

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Speaker 2: North Park Christian Academy in Valencia, California.

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Speaker 3: And it was a.

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Speaker 2: Lecture series fundraiser that they had organized, and the topic

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Speaker 2: they requested me to talk on was do we need

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Speaker 2: God to be good? Whether we have to believe in

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Speaker 2: God to be good, or whatever related topic it might be.

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Speaker 2: And it's a very important topic. But I do need

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Speaker 2: to tell you that there was so much laughter on

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Speaker 2: the part of the audience in this tape. There was

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Speaker 2: a lot of humor in this talk that I'm a

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Speaker 2: little self conscious because it almost sounds like I inserted

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Speaker 2: a laugh track, But I promise you why I didn't.

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Speaker 2: This is really the audience reaction. So while there is

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Speaker 2: a lot of humor, It's a very serious topic, and

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Speaker 2: I do hope you, in particular, you will share it

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Speaker 2: with anybody who has problems with the issue of linking

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Speaker 2: God and morality, God and goodness. So here goes and

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Speaker 2: is always a big thank you for me. Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: please welcome Dennis prayer.

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Speaker 3: That's very well.

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Speaker 2: Always a little uh, a little uneasy when people like

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Speaker 2: people who don't agree with me that it's I get

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Speaker 2: the drama that I organized that as I came up.

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Speaker 3: The lights went on.

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Speaker 2: Did you notice that a certain genesis effect that we

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Speaker 2: had there, Jeff, I want to thank you. Want to

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Speaker 2: say your students in the fifth grade are very lucky

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Speaker 2: to have you. And I said to Liz that the

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Speaker 2: all right when I watched the movie, those kids are

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Speaker 2: lucky kids. They are very lucky kids. And I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: explain why. I guess tonight you asked me to speak

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Speaker 2: on can we be good without God? And secular education

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Speaker 2: versus religious education? You know, there's something very touching here

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Speaker 2: Josh Abrams, who works with your school, was attending the

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Speaker 2: banquet and fundraiser for a school, a Jewish school that

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Speaker 2: I'm on the board of directors of, and here I

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Speaker 2: am at a Christian school. And when he noted that

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Speaker 2: to me, I said, only in America, And it's true,

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Speaker 2: only in America. I was on Larry King Live a

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Speaker 2: few weeks ago, and there was a distinguished Evangelical Christian

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Speaker 2: actually it happened once. They actually came early to an

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Speaker 2: So you know, I'm too tall to look Jewish, So

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Speaker 2: But I've had a lot of fun and interfaith dialogue

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Speaker 2: And I made I argued that in fact, well I'll

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Speaker 2: And I said to him, just what I said to you.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's happy about It didn't seem odd to have Christians

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Speaker 2: Doesn't seem odd when I when I had the when

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Speaker 3: And I remember in my early days.

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Speaker 2: The fertilization of Judaism and Christianity, while each staying true

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't. I don't wish either upon them.

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Speaker 2: It's not a wish. It's just Europe doesn't stand for anything.

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Speaker 2: doesn't survive on air. It survives on values. Of course, pluralism,

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Speaker 2: non issue. Of course, we're all pluralistic and in whatever

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Speaker 2: It's a nice thing. It's it's nice to have, but

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Speaker 3: You know it doesn't. It has no it has no content.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just it's pluralism is form, not content. So

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Speaker 2: The question is do we have to be do we

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Speaker 2: Confront their ideas all the time, unless they seek us out.

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Speaker 2: University, you don't get religious ideas, you get secular ideas.

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Speaker 3: Go to high school get secular ideas.

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Speaker 2: Go to elementary school you get second idea, in fact,

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Speaker 2: an apropos of your own of your own school. It's

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Speaker 2: very interesting that I turn the tables, because they're never turned,

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Speaker 2: They're always in one direction. And I note all the

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Speaker 2: time that there is a secular brainwash in our society.

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Speaker 3: I fully acknowledge if somebody went to religious Jewish or religious.

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Speaker 2: say they were religiously brainwashed. I fully acknowledge that. But

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Speaker 2: why don't they acknowledge that if you go secular school

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Speaker 3: They never think that way.

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Speaker 2: You can no more be too secular than you could

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Speaker 2: it's beautiful. Secular is intrinsically beautiful. But when I talk

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Speaker 3: I debated, In fact, I debated a man.

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Speaker 2: Who just wrote a book, Religion is the Problem. I

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Speaker 2: think that's the title, Religion is the Problem, and well received,

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Speaker 2: So I had him on since I didn't read his book,

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Speaker 2: All of this is though, by way of explaining to

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Speaker 2: So the question on the table is can we be

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Speaker 2: Their goodness doesn't emanate from their atheism. There were good

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Speaker 3: Yes, there are good people who don't believe in God,

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Speaker 2: Unleashed upon you and humanity, the likes of which have

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Speaker 2: never been seen. The gods will thunder in their destructiveness

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00:28:49,260 --> 00:28:52,540
Speaker 2: and said, and he continued, the only reason it hasn't

436
00:28:52,580 --> 00:28:57,579
Speaker 2: happened yet is because of Christianity, which works as a

437
00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:59,620
Speaker 2: break by.

438
00:28:59,459 --> 00:29:01,500
Speaker 3: Giving the Germans conscience.

439
00:29:02,739 --> 00:29:06,820
Speaker 2: This is a secular Jew writing in eighteen thirty four,

440
00:29:09,300 --> 00:29:12,300
Speaker 2: and sure enough, that's exactly what happened. As Christianity lost

441
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:15,420
Speaker 2: its whole, Nazism arose and did unleash the greatest havoc

442
00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:18,459
Speaker 2: known in history, a moral havoc in terms of the

443
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:23,779
Speaker 2: Holocaust in World War II. So Europe is a living

444
00:29:23,860 --> 00:29:25,980
Speaker 2: example of what happens when.

445
00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:28,979
Speaker 3: Belief in this God that I'm talking to you about dies.

446
00:29:30,020 --> 00:29:36,739
Speaker 2: Communism and Nazism supplanted Christianity in Europe is not Goodness

447
00:29:36,780 --> 00:29:39,979
Speaker 2: didn't supplant Christianity. Nazism and Communism did.

448
00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:40,380
Speaker 3: Ah.

449
00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:44,220
Speaker 2: But I'm told thousand times and a day in letters

450
00:29:44,820 --> 00:29:47,220
Speaker 2: and on the air when I debate, well what about now?

451
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:51,219
Speaker 2: They're not Nazis or Communists in Europe. They're just good,

452
00:29:51,300 --> 00:29:57,260
Speaker 2: secular people. And they are secular. They're very secular. Are

453
00:29:57,260 --> 00:30:01,500
Speaker 2: they that good? I would take America one hundred years,

454
00:30:01,540 --> 00:30:06,420
Speaker 2: one hundred times over Europe as a society doing good

455
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Speaker 2: in the world. See, I'll give you, and I will

456
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Speaker 2: give you an example. The only reason I hesitate is

457
00:30:13,580 --> 00:30:16,300
Speaker 2: because people will think I have a vested interest because

458
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Speaker 2: I'm Jewish. But since I'm speaking at a Christian place.

459
00:30:20,739 --> 00:30:26,580
Speaker 2: Maybe it undoes the vested interest argument. So I give

460
00:30:26,620 --> 00:30:29,860
Speaker 2: you one great example of America's uniqueness over Europe, and

461
00:30:29,900 --> 00:30:33,340
Speaker 2: that is protection of Israel. Europe would sell Israel to

462
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Speaker 2: the dogs in ten minutes for a pot of oil.

463
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Speaker 3: It is a non issue to Europe, a non issue.

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Speaker 2: Why does this country protect Israel because the power of

465
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Speaker 2: the Jewish lobby. I always hear that though the Jewish

466
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Speaker 2: vote the Jewish lobby. So let me talk to you

467
00:30:49,739 --> 00:30:54,860
Speaker 2: just for a moment about that. Okay, For those who

468
00:30:54,860 --> 00:30:59,060
Speaker 2: don't know American politics, the Jewish vote goes Democrat. George

469
00:30:59,060 --> 00:31:04,979
Speaker 2: Bush has owed nothing to Jewish voters. Now you may say,

470
00:31:04,979 --> 00:31:07,259
Speaker 2: of course, Dick Cheney, on the other hand, given the

471
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:17,100
Speaker 2: power of the Wyoming Jewish community, all twenty three in

472
00:31:17,219 --> 00:31:21,340
Speaker 2: Cheyenne have had a real, b big impact.

473
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Speaker 3: The idea is ludicrous.

474
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Speaker 2: What do George Bush, Dick Cheney, and Condoleeza rice O

475
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Speaker 2: Jews American Jews politically nothing?

476
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:32,219
Speaker 3: Zero.

477
00:31:32,940 --> 00:31:36,259
Speaker 2: They do it because it's right, not because there's anything

478
00:31:36,340 --> 00:31:36,700
Speaker 2: in it.

479
00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:37,979
Speaker 3: And what about oil.

480
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Speaker 2: One of the great arguments against America is sending it's

481
00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:45,180
Speaker 2: young to kill and die and Iraq for oil is

482
00:31:45,739 --> 00:31:49,540
Speaker 2: There are two spectacular arguments. One, we could have gotten

483
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:52,579
Speaker 2: all the oil we wanted from Saddam, just like France

484
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:56,539
Speaker 2: and Germany and Russian China did. They made terrific deals

485
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Speaker 2: with him. We wanted oil, we could have bought it.

486
00:32:00,180 --> 00:32:02,539
Speaker 2: And of issue were the ones who pushed for sanctions,

487
00:32:03,380 --> 00:32:05,100
Speaker 2: not them, They pushed for oil.

488
00:32:05,940 --> 00:32:09,660
Speaker 3: And the other is Israel. If we're not interested in oil, why.

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Speaker 2: Would we protect the one country in the Middle East

490
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Speaker 2: that doesn't have any Ask that to your smart Alecky's

491
00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:21,059
Speaker 2: son or daughter when they come home from U.

492
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Speaker 3: C l A. Why do we? Why do we?

493
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Speaker 2: Why don't we protect Israel? Because we we follow what's right.

494
00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:38,940
Speaker 2: We believe that the the the extinguishing of a little

495
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Speaker 2: tiny state that has freedom in the midst of of

496
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Speaker 2: of a sea of of of darkness. I'm sorry to say,

497
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:50,059
Speaker 2: I really am sorry to say.

498
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Speaker 3: Is a right?

499
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:54,739
Speaker 2: Is the right thing to do? There's no comparison between

500
00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:58,180
Speaker 2: US and Europe. Europe would let the Taiwan drown. Why

501
00:32:58,219 --> 00:33:02,900
Speaker 2: don't we protect Taiwan for oil? What is Taiwan's natural resource?

502
00:33:03,260 --> 00:33:07,220
Speaker 3: Rocks? A lot of a lot of nice rocks in Taiwan.

503
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:07,780
Speaker 3: I was there.

504
00:33:08,180 --> 00:33:14,340
Speaker 2: It's a gorgeous place, but it's mostly rocky. We protect

505
00:33:14,380 --> 00:33:17,979
Speaker 2: Taiwan because it's right to protect Taiwan. Why did we

506
00:33:18,060 --> 00:33:21,580
Speaker 2: die in in South Korea? Die in the tens of

507
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:26,059
Speaker 2: thousands in South Korea for oil, but South Korea is

508
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:27,140
Speaker 2: a major resource.

509
00:33:27,219 --> 00:33:27,660
Speaker 3: Kim Chi.

510
00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:33,020
Speaker 2: I ate it twenty years ago at the Sole Airport.

511
00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:43,780
Speaker 2: I'm still burning a little. It's so the moral inversion

512
00:33:43,820 --> 00:33:46,980
Speaker 2: of the understanding of America is just it's sickening. It's

513
00:33:46,979 --> 00:33:51,540
Speaker 2: truly sickening, how much this country dies for what is right,

514
00:33:52,459 --> 00:33:55,340
Speaker 2: as opposed to Europe, which couldn't care less. Just give

515
00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:57,259
Speaker 2: them a nude beach and they're the happiest folks in

516
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:57,660
Speaker 2: the world.

517
00:33:58,540 --> 00:33:58,860
Speaker 3: That's it.

518
00:33:58,979 --> 00:34:11,500
Speaker 2: That's what makes them tick. Another example of when if

519
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:14,780
Speaker 2: I need one, about how a world without God doesn't

520
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:18,700
Speaker 2: produce moral.

521
00:34:17,060 --> 00:34:18,580
Speaker 3: Goodness is the University.

522
00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:21,580
Speaker 2: Of course, there are some decent people at Universe Cities, obviously,

523
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:27,379
Speaker 2: but as a totality, the university is the most morally backward, confused,

524
00:34:27,700 --> 00:34:30,620
Speaker 2: inverted place in America.

525
00:34:30,779 --> 00:34:33,020
Speaker 3: And I say that with again great sadness.

526
00:34:33,100 --> 00:34:36,779
Speaker 2: I love learning a home with four thousand books, I

527
00:34:36,819 --> 00:34:41,299
Speaker 2: love learning, but the university is not dedicated to.

528
00:34:41,299 --> 00:34:43,660
Speaker 3: Learning any longer. Maybe in the natural.

529
00:34:43,299 --> 00:34:47,259
Speaker 2: Sciences, but it isn't in the liberal arts. It's dedicated

530
00:34:47,259 --> 00:34:52,819
Speaker 2: to training secular nialists, to deconstructing the Western world and

531
00:34:52,900 --> 00:35:00,019
Speaker 2: deconstructing art and deconstructing morality. This is a very important thing.

532
00:35:01,259 --> 00:35:05,100
Speaker 2: I look at the fruits of ideas. Listen, I want

533
00:35:05,100 --> 00:35:07,739
Speaker 2: to tell you something. I'll be totally open with you.

534
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:11,780
Speaker 2: If the secular world produced a lot of good people

535
00:35:11,859 --> 00:35:16,259
Speaker 2: with morally strong beliefs, I would feel challenged on the

536
00:35:16,299 --> 00:35:18,180
Speaker 2: need for God for goodness, because.

537
00:35:18,460 --> 00:35:20,580
Speaker 3: The first thing I have to do is tell the truth.

538
00:35:22,700 --> 00:35:25,740
Speaker 2: Maybe we would need God for other reasons, for meaning,

539
00:35:25,859 --> 00:35:30,259
Speaker 2: for purpose, for a sense of fulfillment, for a connection

540
00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:34,379
Speaker 2: to the world, but not for goodness, because all these

541
00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:37,860
Speaker 2: all these secular places are producing all these morally aware,

542
00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:43,299
Speaker 2: clear thinking, good, decent people, but they're not. The secular

543
00:35:43,339 --> 00:35:48,059
Speaker 2: world is a moral wasteland, largely largely by the way.

544
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,499
Speaker 2: The religious worlds have not been great either. But there

545
00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:54,259
Speaker 2: is a religious world that has been particularly good. It's

546
00:35:54,299 --> 00:35:57,180
Speaker 2: the one that we happen to live in the United

547
00:35:57,180 --> 00:35:59,779
Speaker 2: States of America.

548
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:01,859
Speaker 3: I mean, it has not been problem free.

549
00:36:01,900 --> 00:36:04,939
Speaker 2: They are people who defended slavery biblically they're people who

550
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:10,620
Speaker 2: defended defended segregation, racial segregation biblically. Of course that will

551
00:36:10,620 --> 00:36:15,140
Speaker 2: happen absolutely, just like the Presbyterian Church USA defends the

552
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:20,060
Speaker 2: divesting from companies that do business with Israel biblically, the

553
00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:22,779
Speaker 2: left does what others tended to.

554
00:36:22,739 --> 00:36:26,019
Speaker 3: Do, now the religious left, and will come back to them.

555
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:29,060
Speaker 2: I know for a fact belief in God or religion

556
00:36:29,100 --> 00:36:33,500
Speaker 2: doesn't guarantee goodness. Of course it doesn't, not even our faiths,

557
00:36:34,420 --> 00:36:37,060
Speaker 2: of course not. There are plenty of morally confused Christians

558
00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:37,540
Speaker 2: and Jews.

559
00:36:39,020 --> 00:36:41,260
Speaker 3: But it's my best bet.

560
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:48,140
Speaker 2: God doesn't guarantee goodness, but the death of God guarantees evil. Okay,

561
00:36:48,460 --> 00:36:51,020
Speaker 2: that's in one sentence, a nutshell. If you have to

562
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:58,500
Speaker 2: go home, that you heard the key God. Faith in

563
00:36:58,580 --> 00:37:01,620
Speaker 2: God does not guarantee goodness, but the death of God

564
00:37:02,020 --> 00:37:07,500
Speaker 2: guarantees moral confusion and therefore evil. That's the point to

565
00:37:07,540 --> 00:37:11,780
Speaker 2: be made. So when the opposition points out bad religious people,

566
00:37:11,779 --> 00:37:16,660
Speaker 2: I say, you're right, by Gully, you're right, absolutely correct.

567
00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:20,020
Speaker 3: But this is very interesting.

568
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:22,819
Speaker 2: This is the ironically, the guy that I defeated in

569
00:37:22,859 --> 00:37:26,460
Speaker 2: the debate wants to come back on Ironically. The reason

570
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:28,900
Speaker 2: I did was because he had a lot of intellectual honesty.

571
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:31,020
Speaker 3: That's the irony.

572
00:37:31,420 --> 00:37:37,019
Speaker 2: His intellectual honesty got him in trouble because he acknowledged that,

573
00:37:37,180 --> 00:37:40,660
Speaker 2: he said that there really is a moral problem emanating

574
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Speaker 2: from a lot in the world of Islam, without condemning

575
00:37:43,219 --> 00:37:46,299
Speaker 2: all of Islam. And he said, he you know, he's

576
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:50,739
Speaker 2: very you know, he acknowledges that, and nobody's acknowledging it

577
00:37:50,779 --> 00:37:53,460
Speaker 2: at the universities today, which he holds up as a

578
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:54,180
Speaker 2: great model.

579
00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:57,100
Speaker 3: So when we got on the on the air, I said, let.

580
00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:59,020
Speaker 2: Me just ask you, then, how do you deal with

581
00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:02,499
Speaker 2: the fact that the only people prepared to say there

582
00:38:02,540 --> 00:38:06,419
Speaker 2: are moral issues emanating real problems from the world of

583
00:38:06,460 --> 00:38:10,940
Speaker 2: Islam tend to be religious Christians in America and religious

584
00:38:11,020 --> 00:38:15,180
Speaker 2: Jews for that matter. Not your whole secular world has

585
00:38:15,259 --> 00:38:20,740
Speaker 2: taken a nosedive on the issue of threats coming from Islam.

586
00:38:20,739 --> 00:38:23,899
Speaker 2: Still just chatting about about pluralism.

587
00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:26,660
Speaker 3: That's their answer, pluralism.

588
00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:30,140
Speaker 2: And he well, he didn't have an answer, but he

589
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:32,300
Speaker 2: acknowledged it was true.

590
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:35,660
Speaker 3: He said, well, he said, oh, I remember his answer.

591
00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:36,380
Speaker 3: It's true.

592
00:38:36,460 --> 00:38:39,700
Speaker 2: Christians are saying this, and they're right, but for the

593
00:38:39,739 --> 00:38:43,180
Speaker 2: wrong reasons. I said, I don't care why people are

594
00:38:43,259 --> 00:38:46,939
Speaker 2: right right on the greatest moral issues of our day

595
00:38:47,060 --> 00:38:50,060
Speaker 2: is right. You don't like their reasons because they believe

596
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:52,020
Speaker 2: in the Bible, and the Bible tells them this.

597
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:59,739
Speaker 3: You have a better reason. So in answer to the

598
00:38:59,819 --> 00:39:03,100
Speaker 3: question can we be good without God? The answer is clear.

599
00:39:03,460 --> 00:39:06,299
Speaker 3: Some individuals yes, society no.

600
00:39:08,259 --> 00:39:11,939
Speaker 2: I look at Western Europe, I look at the American University,

601
00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:16,299
Speaker 2: and I run back to religion and God. By the way,

602
00:39:16,339 --> 00:39:18,299
Speaker 2: I wrote an article, and if you don't know, I

603
00:39:18,339 --> 00:39:19,579
Speaker 2: do write a column each week.

604
00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:22,419
Speaker 3: It's free. You should. I beg you to get hold

605
00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:23,419
Speaker 3: of it each week.

606
00:39:23,460 --> 00:39:27,060
Speaker 2: It's it's good intellectual ammunition for the values that I

607
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:28,220
Speaker 2: assume most of you hold.

608
00:39:29,739 --> 00:39:33,060
Speaker 3: And one of my columns in the last year was

609
00:39:33,100 --> 00:39:34,100
Speaker 3: how I found.

610
00:39:33,779 --> 00:39:39,700
Speaker 2: God at Colombia. Your laughter is proper because that's the

611
00:39:39,779 --> 00:39:43,660
Speaker 2: last place you would find God. But it is no

612
00:39:43,779 --> 00:39:47,419
Speaker 2: pun intended to God's honest truth. This is exactly what

613
00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:51,860
Speaker 2: happened in my life. I was raised a religious Jew.

614
00:39:51,940 --> 00:39:55,859
Speaker 3: And that obviously had an impact in my belief I.

615
00:39:55,739 --> 00:40:01,379
Speaker 2: Have no question, but I have always challenged everything that

616
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Speaker 2: I was taught. Oh, I just that's my nature. I

617
00:40:04,460 --> 00:40:08,180
Speaker 2: need to find out if it's true or not on

618
00:40:08,219 --> 00:40:14,299
Speaker 2: my own. And I didn't become an atheist at any

619
00:40:14,299 --> 00:40:20,460
Speaker 2: point in my life. But the greatest single thrust to

620
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Speaker 2: or my passionate arguing for belief in God came at Columbia.

621
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Speaker 2: I was puzzled by the fact that so many of

622
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Speaker 2: my professors were morally My favorite term is moral idiot,

623
00:40:38,859 --> 00:40:44,780
Speaker 2: but it sounds so demeaning. I don't know what's to say, though,

624
00:40:44,819 --> 00:40:48,219
Speaker 2: they were moral idiot, So I'll say moral I I

625
00:40:48,219 --> 00:40:53,140
Speaker 2: mean to think. I mean, I'll be perfectly precise to

626
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Speaker 2: say that the United States and the Soviet Union were

627
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Speaker 2: moral equivalents.

628
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Speaker 3: You have to be a moral idiot a free.

629
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Speaker 2: Democratic, prosperous nation versus a society run by tyrants who

630
00:41:09,219 --> 00:41:13,940
Speaker 2: will allow you no freedom of any type assembly, religion, speech.

631
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no comparison.

632
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Speaker 2: And yet I was at Columbia, at the School of

633
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:22,620
Speaker 2: International Airs, and it was taken as a given that

634
00:41:22,620 --> 00:41:25,859
Speaker 2: they're just two superpowers. One has one way of life,

635
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,019
Speaker 2: the other has another way. Who are we to judge?

636
00:41:29,380 --> 00:41:31,459
Speaker 3: Then? Also, I was taught that men and women are

637
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:32,420
Speaker 3: basically the same.

638
00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:36,779
Speaker 2: It's the only belief I knew that was even stupider

639
00:41:36,779 --> 00:41:41,420
Speaker 2: than the moral Then the moral equivalents of the US

640
00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:46,379
Speaker 2: and the USSR, which is remarkable when you think of it.

641
00:41:46,420 --> 00:41:49,219
Speaker 2: I was twenty two years old. I didn't have even

642
00:41:49,259 --> 00:41:52,380
Speaker 2: I didn't even have a sister, and I had certainly

643
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:56,900
Speaker 2: had no children. But it struck me as so obvious.

644
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:01,100
Speaker 2: And I don't mean physically that men and women, well

645
00:42:01,219 --> 00:42:03,259
Speaker 2: they it is not true by the way he has

646
00:42:03,299 --> 00:42:05,339
Speaker 2: it a little wrong. You know, men are from Mars,

647
00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:07,899
Speaker 2: women are from Venus. It implies that they are from

648
00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:13,100
Speaker 2: the same solar system.

649
00:42:13,859 --> 00:42:17,940
Speaker 3: That's just it's not true. It's not true.

650
00:42:18,940 --> 00:42:24,460
Speaker 2: Men are from one universe and women are from another universe. Anyway,

651
00:42:25,700 --> 00:42:28,459
Speaker 2: I just knew this, and yet I was taught by

652
00:42:28,500 --> 00:42:32,299
Speaker 2: these great intellects that if you raise a girl with

653
00:42:32,940 --> 00:42:36,660
Speaker 2: soldiers and trucks and guns, by golly, she'll play with them,

654
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Speaker 2: and if you raise a boy with tea sets and dolls,

655
00:42:39,660 --> 00:42:41,580
Speaker 2: they'll play with them.

656
00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:45,100
Speaker 3: I didn't believe it. I did. I was twenty two.

657
00:42:45,140 --> 00:42:46,939
Speaker 3: I just knew this is nonsense.

658
00:42:47,420 --> 00:42:50,939
Speaker 2: Boys don't play with guns because they're given guns. They're

659
00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:55,219
Speaker 2: given guns because they play with guns. No boy ever

660
00:42:55,259 --> 00:42:58,460
Speaker 2: walked around and said, you really want a t set?

661
00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:06,020
Speaker 2: Just doesn't happen. It doesn't happen. It's so easy to

662
00:43:06,140 --> 00:43:11,899
Speaker 2: prove all these things. By the way, you just you ask.

663
00:43:12,299 --> 00:43:15,620
Speaker 2: Take any kid, Take any five or ten year old

664
00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:20,260
Speaker 2: to toy store, big toy store. Ask the boy where

665
00:43:20,299 --> 00:43:25,860
Speaker 2: are the dolls. I've tried this, and I go, what dolls?

666
00:43:27,460 --> 00:43:32,219
Speaker 2: Ask the girl where are the soldiers or where are

667
00:43:32,259 --> 00:43:37,779
Speaker 2: the guns? And she'll say, what soldiers. She knows the

668
00:43:37,940 --> 00:43:41,180
Speaker 2: huge section for dolls. He knows the huge section for

669
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:48,580
Speaker 2: monsters and attack devices and water guns that can rival

670
00:43:48,940 --> 00:43:52,020
Speaker 2: you know, the geyser at Wyoming, you know the You know.

671
00:43:54,259 --> 00:43:55,859
Speaker 3: I have a painful admission to make.

672
00:43:55,980 --> 00:44:02,020
Speaker 2: I have not been entirely capable of withithstanding the onslaught

673
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:05,739
Speaker 2: of the university. So I actually imbibe the idea of

674
00:44:05,859 --> 00:44:10,099
Speaker 2: don't give your boy toy guns. With my first boy,

675
00:44:10,259 --> 00:44:13,540
Speaker 2: I did not buy him toy guns. I feel so

676
00:44:13,739 --> 00:44:17,100
Speaker 2: stupid telling you this, that it's this is like a

677
00:44:17,140 --> 00:44:24,339
Speaker 2: public confession of foolishness on my part. However, I have

678
00:44:24,660 --> 00:44:27,419
Speaker 2: one saving grace. I do change my mind when the

679
00:44:27,460 --> 00:44:36,059
Speaker 2: evidence is overwhelming. Everything in the house became a gun.

680
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:41,060
Speaker 3: Everything.

681
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:46,299
Speaker 2: And finally, one night at dinner, when he made the

682
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:48,460
Speaker 2: rye bread slice.

683
00:44:49,700 --> 00:44:54,500
Speaker 3: Into a machine gun, I just knew this is the end.

684
00:44:54,540 --> 00:44:56,420
Speaker 2: And then I just bought him all the toy guns

685
00:44:56,420 --> 00:45:02,660
Speaker 2: he wanted, if only to spare the food.

686
00:45:04,460 --> 00:45:05,340
Speaker 3: So what happened?

687
00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:09,299
Speaker 2: Because I was taught this nonsense America Soviet moral equivalence,

688
00:45:09,339 --> 00:45:10,660
Speaker 2: boys and girls basically the.

689
00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:11,660
Speaker 3: Same and much more.

690
00:45:13,180 --> 00:45:16,939
Speaker 2: I walked around with one great puzzle while doing my

691
00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:21,459
Speaker 2: graduate work at this Ivy League university, and that was,

692
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:22,219
Speaker 2: why are.

693
00:45:22,140 --> 00:45:24,739
Speaker 3: These people so foolish?

694
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:29,580
Speaker 2: How could they have such good brains and be so foolish?

695
00:45:29,779 --> 00:45:31,700
Speaker 3: And I give you my word.

696
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:35,339
Speaker 2: One day while walking in the big Square on one

697
00:45:35,420 --> 00:45:39,100
Speaker 2: hundred and sixteenth in Broadway, I don't remember what it

698
00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:41,739
Speaker 2: was called, that big green thing, and around you are

699
00:45:41,739 --> 00:45:45,020
Speaker 2: the statues of Greek thinkers. I think it is anyway,

700
00:45:46,180 --> 00:45:49,700
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, out of nowhere, seemingly, a phrase

701
00:45:49,739 --> 00:45:53,580
Speaker 2: I had uttered in Hebrew at my Jewish school when

702
00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:58,779
Speaker 2: I was a child came back to me. I memorized

703
00:45:58,819 --> 00:46:02,620
Speaker 2: it because we said it by rote, and it's from Psalms,

704
00:46:03,739 --> 00:46:10,100
Speaker 2: and it is in Hebrew reshid kuchma other night wisdom

705
00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:18,100
Speaker 2: begins with awe of God, and and my life pretty

706
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:28,379
Speaker 2: much became clear at that moment. Oh my God, No God, No, wisdom.

707
00:46:28,460 --> 00:46:40,460
Speaker 2: Now look up here at your banners, at this Christian school. Wisdom, virtue, purpose, courage. Now,

708
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:44,660
Speaker 2: there is no secular school that I know of that

709
00:46:44,779 --> 00:46:49,299
Speaker 2: has wisdom as one of its mottos. Wisdom is a

710
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:55,500
Speaker 2: non issue. It's a non word. Knowledge is worshiped in

711
00:46:55,580 --> 00:46:59,700
Speaker 2: the secular world. Wisdom is worshiped by those who worship God.

712
00:47:01,460 --> 00:47:05,299
Speaker 2: Big difference between knowledge and wisdom. My computer has more

713
00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:11,979
Speaker 2: knowledge than anyone on earth, but it has no wisdom.

714
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:19,580
Speaker 2: I often ask it for advice. Nothing happens, by the way,

715
00:47:19,580 --> 00:47:23,260
Speaker 2: It's very interesting. Courage, purpose, wisdom, virtue. I was thinking,

716
00:47:23,299 --> 00:47:26,740
Speaker 2: what would a secular school have, and I was thinking

717
00:47:26,819 --> 00:47:28,459
Speaker 2: for as an example they would have.

718
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:31,299
Speaker 3: It is not a joke they have.

719
00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:36,339
Speaker 2: Words are important, very important, even if we don't live

720
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:37,859
Speaker 2: up to them, and no one lives up to their

721
00:47:37,940 --> 00:47:40,859
Speaker 2: highest words. You can't, but you still have. You know

722
00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:45,539
Speaker 2: what you're to aspire to. Instead of courage, the big

723
00:47:45,540 --> 00:47:46,859
Speaker 2: word today is compassion.

724
00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:50,980
Speaker 3: That would be up there purpose.

725
00:47:52,779 --> 00:47:55,660
Speaker 2: I don't know what one word would be instead of purpose,

726
00:47:55,940 --> 00:48:01,180
Speaker 2: but it was fascinating. The one non God oriented member

727
00:48:01,219 --> 00:48:05,180
Speaker 2: of that panel on Larry King, Deepak Chopra, ended and

728
00:48:05,219 --> 00:48:08,540
Speaker 2: you could see it for free too. Go to Larry

729
00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:11,299
Speaker 2: King Live see the transcript of the September twenty ninth,

730
00:48:11,339 --> 00:48:14,660
Speaker 2: two thousand and four show, and you will see what

731
00:48:14,739 --> 00:48:20,419
Speaker 2: he said that we just realize there is no there's

732
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:21,459
Speaker 2: no purpose.

733
00:48:21,140 --> 00:48:21,700
Speaker 3: To all of this.

734
00:48:22,259 --> 00:48:24,580
Speaker 2: If the whole world were destroyed, it would not matter

735
00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:29,899
Speaker 2: in the least. Secularism is purposeless, of course, it is

736
00:48:30,940 --> 00:48:34,859
Speaker 2: only God infuses life with purpose. That doesn't mean no

737
00:48:35,020 --> 00:48:38,299
Speaker 2: secular person has a sense of purpose. They kill themselves.

738
00:48:38,339 --> 00:48:41,940
Speaker 2: If they didn't, they wouldn't get out of bed, make money,

739
00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:44,540
Speaker 2: go to work, raise your children.

740
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:47,100
Speaker 3: They have many noble.

741
00:48:47,140 --> 00:48:50,259
Speaker 2: Purposes, but that's not the purpose of life. Life itself

742
00:48:50,299 --> 00:48:54,580
Speaker 2: has no purpose. My life I have given subjective purpose,

743
00:48:54,620 --> 00:48:58,060
Speaker 2: take care of my children, whatever, and that's existentialism. But

744
00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:03,180
Speaker 2: there is no ultimate purpose. If I saw those four words,

745
00:49:03,259 --> 00:49:05,379
Speaker 2: though not one of them had anything to do with God,

746
00:49:05,380 --> 00:49:07,660
Speaker 2: I knew I would know it's a religious school first,

747
00:49:07,700 --> 00:49:09,940
Speaker 2: as soon as I saw wisdom, I knew would be religious.

748
00:49:10,299 --> 00:49:15,339
Speaker 2: Secondar school would have knowledge courage. Likewise, it's not a

749
00:49:15,339 --> 00:49:21,620
Speaker 2: secular virtue any longer. Purpose again, it's all look inside

750
00:49:22,339 --> 00:49:24,859
Speaker 2: you know, there's no purpose that that would evolve and

751
00:49:24,900 --> 00:49:32,060
Speaker 2: then virtue, Oh, virtue my God. That's virtue is supplanted

752
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:36,620
Speaker 2: by you know, do your own thing. That So every

753
00:49:36,620 --> 00:49:39,060
Speaker 2: one of these was a giveaway that this was a

754
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:45,100
Speaker 2: religious school. They will argue that you don't need God

755
00:49:45,140 --> 00:49:53,180
Speaker 2: to be good. Reason suffices. Reason does not suffice. Let

756
00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:56,940
Speaker 2: me tell you about reason for a quick moment. Reason

757
00:49:57,219 --> 00:50:00,820
Speaker 2: is a moral it's not immoral, and it isn't moral.

758
00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:05,500
Speaker 2: Reason alone dictates neither good nor evil.

759
00:50:06,339 --> 00:50:08,820
Speaker 3: If you want to be good, you should use reason.

760
00:50:09,380 --> 00:50:11,740
Speaker 2: If you want to be bad, you can use reason.

761
00:50:13,339 --> 00:50:15,899
Speaker 2: If you want to build hospitals, you use reason. If

762
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:19,219
Speaker 2: you want to build gas chambers, you use reason. As

763
00:50:19,219 --> 00:50:26,219
Speaker 2: I frequently say in there were too few, tragically too

764
00:50:26,259 --> 00:50:29,459
Speaker 2: few non Jews in Europe who saved Jews during the Holocaust,

765
00:50:29,500 --> 00:50:31,339
Speaker 2: but there were non Jews who did.

766
00:50:33,339 --> 00:50:33,419
Speaker 3: Not.

767
00:50:33,620 --> 00:50:38,140
Speaker 2: One who was ever interviewed said the reason was reason. Well,

768
00:50:38,180 --> 00:50:42,820
Speaker 2: I rationally thought through and realized that on rational grounds,

769
00:50:42,859 --> 00:50:45,259
Speaker 2: I should risk my life for a Jew who I

770
00:50:45,299 --> 00:50:46,219
Speaker 2: never met.

771
00:50:47,779 --> 00:50:49,100
Speaker 3: People who did so did.

772
00:50:48,980 --> 00:50:52,780
Speaker 2: So out of faith, either faith in God that God

773
00:50:52,859 --> 00:50:55,380
Speaker 2: wants them to risk their lives to save a stranger,

774
00:50:56,219 --> 00:51:00,700
Speaker 2: or even just faith in goodness, which transcends reason. But

775
00:51:00,819 --> 00:51:04,540
Speaker 2: nobody did it because it was rational because it wasn't rational.

776
00:51:05,140 --> 00:51:07,940
Speaker 3: Goodness is not always rational.

777
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:13,020
Speaker 2: When your kid comes home and says, or a kid says,

778
00:51:13,299 --> 00:51:16,100
Speaker 2: all the kids are a chieving in class, I should

779
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:20,100
Speaker 2: cheat too, that's a rational argument. They're using reason to

780
00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:24,700
Speaker 2: defend their argument. I don't know how many of you

781
00:51:24,779 --> 00:51:29,180
Speaker 2: heard is a tremendous show when I talked about my

782
00:51:29,339 --> 00:51:33,180
Speaker 2: brand new four hundred and fifty dollars cell phone PDA

783
00:51:33,299 --> 00:51:37,339
Speaker 2: device that within three days of purchasing, I dropped in

784
00:51:37,380 --> 00:51:38,140
Speaker 2: the toilet.

785
00:51:41,859 --> 00:51:43,299
Speaker 3: Don't ask how it happened, but.

786
00:51:45,739 --> 00:51:48,860
Speaker 2: Well, you probably should explain lest you think it was odd.

787
00:51:51,100 --> 00:51:55,540
Speaker 2: I was in Minnesota three days later at Minnesota Station,

788
00:51:56,460 --> 00:51:59,540
Speaker 2: and I was at the Minnesota Hotel, and I had

789
00:51:59,580 --> 00:52:02,539
Speaker 2: brought along my wife and our youngest child to visit

790
00:52:02,580 --> 00:52:05,579
Speaker 2: the Minnesota State Fair. I woke up in the middle

791
00:52:05,620 --> 00:52:09,100
Speaker 2: of the night, had no idea where I was, and

792
00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:11,219
Speaker 2: I thought I was at home. In fact, and I

793
00:52:11,259 --> 00:52:15,620
Speaker 2: walked into a closet. So I didn't want to turn

794
00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:18,379
Speaker 2: on the light to find the bathroom because I would

795
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:22,300
Speaker 2: wake up the family. And when me up, I wanted

796
00:52:22,339 --> 00:52:26,740
Speaker 2: to retain some sleep, so I took my new PDA device,

797
00:52:26,819 --> 00:52:34,059
Speaker 2: turned it on, and that lit my way, and it'll

798
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:38,899
Speaker 2: let its way right into the toilet. One of the

799
00:52:38,940 --> 00:52:48,219
Speaker 2: disadvantages of being a male became clear. Anyway, this was

800
00:52:48,259 --> 00:52:51,180
Speaker 2: the question. By the way, I want to tell you

801
00:52:51,219 --> 00:52:56,219
Speaker 2: something happily, except for one dog, nothing has ever died

802
00:52:56,259 --> 00:52:58,100
Speaker 2: in my hands except that cell phone.

803
00:52:59,140 --> 00:53:01,620
Speaker 3: I saw the light fade in my hand. It was

804
00:53:01,779 --> 00:53:02,500
Speaker 3: it was painful.

805
00:53:03,540 --> 00:53:06,140
Speaker 2: So I raised a question to my to my family,

806
00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:09,259
Speaker 2: I said, listen, I just go to just go to

807
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:13,060
Speaker 2: Verizon here in Minneapolis, tell them that the phone broke,

808
00:53:13,779 --> 00:53:18,900
Speaker 2: which is true. It's true, and get a new phone.

809
00:53:19,180 --> 00:53:21,219
Speaker 2: But if I tell him I broke it, I'm out

810
00:53:21,219 --> 00:53:26,540
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty big ones. So what should I do? Well,

811
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:28,180
Speaker 2: my wife said, of course, he got to tell him

812
00:53:28,180 --> 00:53:31,100
Speaker 2: the truth. My son said, are you kidding? Kill him

813
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:41,820
Speaker 2: and broke In his defense, he's eleven, and that's almost

814
00:53:41,819 --> 00:53:44,219
Speaker 2: every eleven year old that I asked said the same thing.

815
00:53:44,420 --> 00:53:47,739
Speaker 2: That's why conscience develops over time. That's why they need

816
00:53:47,779 --> 00:53:50,419
Speaker 2: to be educated. But he did the rational thing. What's

817
00:53:50,460 --> 00:53:51,019
Speaker 2: the big deal?

818
00:53:51,060 --> 00:53:51,460
Speaker 3: Anyway?

819
00:53:51,580 --> 00:53:53,660
Speaker 2: The thing is, I don't mind that my eleven year old.

820
00:53:54,540 --> 00:53:59,180
Speaker 2: I'm very confident, not totally confident. One should never be

821
00:53:59,339 --> 00:54:04,819
Speaker 2: totally confident visa the one's children, but or visa v

822
00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:08,540
Speaker 2: one's self for that matter. But in any event, I

823
00:54:08,739 --> 00:54:12,140
Speaker 2: posed this question on the air, would you say it broke?

824
00:54:12,259 --> 00:54:13,499
Speaker 3: Or would you say I broke it?

825
00:54:15,540 --> 00:54:20,979
Speaker 2: And fascinating, fascinating emails and callers. A young student and

826
00:54:21,020 --> 00:54:22,820
Speaker 2: she said it happened to her, and she said it broke,

827
00:54:23,940 --> 00:54:25,939
Speaker 2: And so many people said, it's a big company. What

828
00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:27,539
Speaker 2: the hell are they care? So long as they keep

829
00:54:27,580 --> 00:54:30,660
Speaker 2: your account right, and they're rational. By the way, that

830
00:54:30,779 --> 00:54:35,379
Speaker 2: is rational. It is an entirely rational argument not to

831
00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:43,180
Speaker 2: have said I broke the phone. They why not? What

832
00:54:43,219 --> 00:54:48,820
Speaker 2: they most want is your account. They don't make money

833
00:54:48,859 --> 00:54:51,700
Speaker 2: on the hardware. They make money on the account on

834
00:54:51,739 --> 00:54:56,100
Speaker 2: your paying the bills each week for internet access or

835
00:54:56,140 --> 00:55:01,339
Speaker 2: wireless access to telephone access, etc. There's a very rational

836
00:55:01,460 --> 00:55:07,060
Speaker 2: argument not to tell the whole truth. But those of

837
00:55:07,140 --> 00:55:09,580
Speaker 2: us who believe that God wants us to tell the

838
00:55:09,620 --> 00:55:12,819
Speaker 2: whole truth have no choice. It's as simple as that.

839
00:55:12,900 --> 00:55:14,580
Speaker 2: And by the way, it is as simple as that.

840
00:55:17,859 --> 00:55:21,419
Speaker 2: Arguments end if you really ask does God want? Or

841
00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:23,140
Speaker 2: as many of you ask, what would Jesus do?

842
00:55:23,580 --> 00:55:24,660
Speaker 3: Would Jesus a cheat?

843
00:55:25,580 --> 00:55:28,339
Speaker 2: I don't think you think so it's a very appropriate

844
00:55:28,460 --> 00:55:32,019
Speaker 2: question to ask, would Jesus show up at verizon and.

845
00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:39,140
Speaker 3: Say, but it is?

846
00:55:39,339 --> 00:55:45,980
Speaker 2: The examples are endless of reason versus right. Reason doesn't

847
00:55:45,980 --> 00:55:49,660
Speaker 2: always suggest the right thing to do. Obviously God does.

848
00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:53,060
Speaker 2: Reason doesn't. If reason were enough, would be great. But

849
00:55:53,140 --> 00:55:56,380
Speaker 2: even when reason does suggest the right thing, it hardly

850
00:55:56,420 --> 00:56:00,219
Speaker 2: compels it. Reason doesn't judge me. Reason doesn't love me.

851
00:56:01,219 --> 00:56:05,660
Speaker 2: Reason didn't create me. God did. So I have a

852
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:10,060
Speaker 2: lot more of an obligation to God than I do

853
00:56:10,259 --> 00:56:14,019
Speaker 2: to this abstract notion of reason. And by the way,

854
00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:15,779
Speaker 2: how do I know I'm using reason correctly?

855
00:56:16,259 --> 00:56:19,620
Speaker 1: This episode of timeless wisdom will continue right after this.

856
00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:29,739
Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Brager's timeless wisdom.

857
00:56:30,819 --> 00:56:36,860
Speaker 2: The atheist professor university professor of the Humanities at Princeton

858
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:40,500
Speaker 2: says that we have a month after the birth of

859
00:56:40,500 --> 00:56:45,580
Speaker 2: the baby to kill it if we consider it sufficiently deformed.

860
00:56:47,299 --> 00:56:49,739
Speaker 2: I mean that we're now in pure and fanticide. We've

861
00:56:49,819 --> 00:56:52,420
Speaker 2: left abortion a long time ago. Now we're into defending

862
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:57,620
Speaker 2: in fantaside on rational grounds. It suffers, we suffer, it suffers,

863
00:56:58,020 --> 00:57:07,580
Speaker 2: and it is rational. He's absolutely correct rationally, Then there

864
00:57:07,620 --> 00:57:13,100
Speaker 2: is another problem with the godless world of values, and

865
00:57:13,219 --> 00:57:19,540
Speaker 2: that is human sanctity. It's the longest ongoing question I

866
00:57:19,580 --> 00:57:23,260
Speaker 2: have posed in my public life. When I started lecturing

867
00:57:23,300 --> 00:57:26,820
Speaker 2: in my mid twenties, I started asking high school students.

868
00:57:26,860 --> 00:57:27,540
Speaker 3: These people are.

869
00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:35,580
Speaker 2: Now adults with their own families, and I would ask, so,

870
00:57:35,660 --> 00:57:38,780
Speaker 2: would you save your dog or a stranger first, if

871
00:57:38,780 --> 00:57:45,100
Speaker 2: both were drowning. I've asked this for thirty years, always

872
00:57:45,140 --> 00:57:48,220
Speaker 2: the same results. One third vote for the dog, one

873
00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:53,540
Speaker 2: third for the stranger, one third doesn't know. And why

874
00:57:53,860 --> 00:57:56,620
Speaker 2: why do two thirds say that they would not save

875
00:57:56,660 --> 00:58:01,820
Speaker 2: a human before their dog. I love my dog, I

876
00:58:01,940 --> 00:58:10,260
Speaker 2: don't love the stranger, and they're right with all respect,

877
00:58:11,740 --> 00:58:15,500
Speaker 2: with a couple of exceptions. Here people I've known from before,

878
00:58:15,860 --> 00:58:19,939
Speaker 2: I don't know almost any of you, and I do

879
00:58:20,060 --> 00:58:22,700
Speaker 2: love my dog. It's more than I love you. But

880
00:58:22,780 --> 00:58:30,500
Speaker 2: I have good news. If you swim in the Prager

881
00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:35,499
Speaker 2: pool and all three dogs are drowning at the same time,

882
00:58:36,020 --> 00:58:42,340
Speaker 2: and so were you, I'll save you first. It's saying

883
00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:45,979
Speaker 2: I hope you're applauding the story, not me. I mean,

884
00:58:46,740 --> 00:58:48,940
Speaker 2: it's a bad day when you get applauded for saving

885
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:51,620
Speaker 2: people before your dogs. But maybe we have reached a

886
00:58:51,660 --> 00:58:55,459
Speaker 2: bad day anyway? Why would I save you whom I

887
00:58:55,500 --> 00:58:58,220
Speaker 2: don't love before my dogs that I love because I

888
00:58:58,460 --> 00:59:04,180
Speaker 2: don't follow love. Tell that at a secular school. Oh

889
00:59:04,340 --> 00:59:07,860
Speaker 2: you should see the faces. They're not breathing when I

890
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:10,660
Speaker 2: come in and say I don't follow love. It would

891
00:59:10,700 --> 00:59:12,700
Speaker 2: be as if somebody came into your school and say

892
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:15,780
Speaker 2: I don't follow Christ, or more dramatic.

893
00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:19,380
Speaker 3: You're used to hearing that. Actually, you're more used.

894
00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:23,220
Speaker 2: To hearing I don't follow Christ than secularisa.

895
00:59:23,380 --> 00:59:28,979
Speaker 3: I don't follow love. Love is God. They don't?

896
00:59:29,060 --> 00:59:32,099
Speaker 2: You don't I speaker comes in, doesn't follow I don't.

897
00:59:32,100 --> 00:59:34,340
Speaker 2: If I followed love, I would save my dogs before you.

898
00:59:34,500 --> 00:59:36,820
Speaker 2: In fact, if I followed love my God, I would

899
00:59:36,820 --> 00:59:44,260
Speaker 2: save my sam collection before you. Right hey, I'd save

900
00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:47,499
Speaker 2: my lunch before you. I love my lunch more than you.

901
00:59:48,380 --> 00:59:50,540
Speaker 3: I mean, what is love? Why are you talking about it?

902
00:59:50,580 --> 00:59:54,419
Speaker 2: It's not a value system love, it's not by There

903
00:59:54,420 --> 00:59:57,180
Speaker 2: are Christians who fall into that shrap too, making love God.

904
00:59:58,100 --> 00:59:58,660
Speaker 3: If love is.

905
00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:02,740
Speaker 2: God, what do you need God for? Just just follow love?

906
01:00:04,540 --> 01:00:07,780
Speaker 2: God is infinitely higher than love. I would save you

907
01:00:07,860 --> 01:00:10,860
Speaker 2: because you are creating God's image. Human life is sacred

908
01:00:11,020 --> 01:00:14,900
Speaker 2: and dog life isn't period and the issue, and that's

909
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:18,700
Speaker 2: what that's all I need to know. Otherwise I have

910
01:00:18,860 --> 01:00:23,900
Speaker 2: no argument in fact for the ZPG folks, the zero

911
01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:27,380
Speaker 2: population growth folks, it's probably more moral to save the

912
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:37,500
Speaker 2: dog another than human excellence. This inability to distinguish between

913
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:39,340
Speaker 2: the value of a human and the value of a

914
01:00:39,420 --> 01:00:43,580
Speaker 2: dog has been a catastrophe and an inevitable consequence of

915
01:00:43,980 --> 01:00:48,900
Speaker 2: the death of God. On secularism, Pee to the People

916
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:52,220
Speaker 2: for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has a new campaign

917
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:58,260
Speaker 2: called Holocaust on your Plate. Yep, and it's it's clear

918
01:00:58,820 --> 01:01:03,380
Speaker 2: there's no difference between barbecue chickens in America and cremated

919
01:01:03,420 --> 01:01:10,260
Speaker 2: Jews in the Holocaust. None. You are a mass murdering

920
01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:15,740
Speaker 2: Nazi for having chicken, and they believe that.

921
01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:17,059
Speaker 3: They believe that.

922
01:01:17,660 --> 01:01:19,939
Speaker 2: By the way, when I twice I had on the

923
01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:22,660
Speaker 2: head of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, I

924
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:26,620
Speaker 2: asked her how far down does the equivalents go, for example, cockroach.

925
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:32,260
Speaker 2: I think she said that cockroach is included, but I

926
01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:35,220
Speaker 2: then asked her. I asked her a question that I

927
01:01:35,220 --> 01:01:38,860
Speaker 2: don't recall anybody ever asking the pizza folks, are you

928
01:01:38,980 --> 01:01:45,940
Speaker 2: pro choice or anti abortion, and she said she doesn't

929
01:01:45,980 --> 01:01:50,100
Speaker 2: take a position. I said, so you feel that cockroaches

930
01:01:50,140 --> 01:01:54,300
Speaker 2: are more valuable than human fetuses. I don't take a position.

931
01:01:58,220 --> 01:02:07,380
Speaker 2: There's a reason for you. He goes really far to

932
01:02:07,460 --> 01:02:14,260
Speaker 2: another thing that God does. Belief in God keeps you

933
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:19,300
Speaker 2: from fads. It keeps you from the false idols of

934
01:02:19,340 --> 01:02:22,900
Speaker 2: the day. It gives you courage. You have a lot

935
01:02:22,980 --> 01:02:25,180
Speaker 2: more courage if you believe in God. Let's be honest.

936
01:02:28,420 --> 01:02:32,060
Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to say something that I pray.

937
01:02:32,180 --> 01:02:35,780
Speaker 2: I'm never tested, and I may fail if I'm tested.

938
01:02:37,340 --> 01:02:39,020
Speaker 2: But I'm sure a lot of you have thought. What

939
01:02:39,100 --> 01:02:43,060
Speaker 2: if you were kidnapped in Iraq and the video camera

940
01:02:43,100 --> 01:02:44,140
Speaker 2: were stuck in front of you?

941
01:02:45,420 --> 01:02:46,100
Speaker 3: What would you do?

942
01:02:46,300 --> 01:02:48,220
Speaker 2: And say? I think about that. I don't know, maybe

943
01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:52,220
Speaker 2: I'm odd and that I do think about that. I

944
01:02:52,220 --> 01:02:55,180
Speaker 2: would hope that unless I were tortured, in which case

945
01:02:55,220 --> 01:02:59,820
Speaker 2: I would say anything. I know that now, but I

946
01:03:00,220 --> 01:03:02,340
Speaker 2: don't bother. Don't bother, Just tell me what you want

947
01:03:02,380 --> 01:03:07,060
Speaker 2: me to say. But if the issue were to plead

948
01:03:07,140 --> 01:03:10,499
Speaker 2: for my life in that way, and you know, an

949
01:03:10,540 --> 01:03:14,100
Speaker 2: Italian died saying watch how an Italian dies? I mentioned

950
01:03:14,100 --> 01:03:16,740
Speaker 2: that it was very powerful what he said, and he's

951
01:03:16,780 --> 01:03:19,700
Speaker 2: a hero and it's Italy and he should be. But

952
01:03:19,820 --> 01:03:23,500
Speaker 2: I believe that I believe that a lot of people

953
01:03:23,540 --> 01:03:27,220
Speaker 2: with a strong sense of God would have some more

954
01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:30,900
Speaker 2: peace in being able to say, I will not grovel

955
01:03:30,980 --> 01:03:34,100
Speaker 2: before you, and if this is my faith, this is

956
01:03:34,140 --> 01:03:35,939
Speaker 2: my fate, or what have you. Though none of us

957
01:03:35,980 --> 01:03:40,380
Speaker 2: wants to die. Obviously, of course God doesn't give you

958
01:03:40,420 --> 01:03:43,979
Speaker 2: more courage because you think he'll save you. That's a

959
01:03:44,020 --> 01:03:48,780
Speaker 2: celestial butler. That's not God. As I understand God. I

960
01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:52,740
Speaker 2: don't believe that God protects me from cancer or getting

961
01:03:52,780 --> 01:03:55,980
Speaker 2: hit by joint drivers. He might, I don't say he doesn't,

962
01:03:56,620 --> 01:04:01,939
Speaker 2: but I don't use God. I have courage because I

963
01:04:02,060 --> 01:04:06,020
Speaker 2: believe that there is a God and I know what

964
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:09,900
Speaker 2: God wants me to do. That's what gives me courage.

965
01:04:10,660 --> 01:04:13,780
Speaker 2: It does every day that I broadcast, I will say

966
01:04:13,980 --> 01:04:18,700
Speaker 2: what I believe is true, irrespective of where the chips

967
01:04:18,820 --> 01:04:24,220
Speaker 2: will fall. And it is very much my religiosity that

968
01:04:24,340 --> 01:04:30,220
Speaker 2: gives me the strength to do that. So that's the courage.

969
01:04:30,260 --> 01:04:32,980
Speaker 2: It's not the courage of Gee. Nothing will happen to me.

970
01:04:34,380 --> 01:04:37,380
Speaker 2: Of course, bad things happen to to religious people of

971
01:04:37,460 --> 01:04:42,140
Speaker 2: course to deeply believing people. Of course that's true. But

972
01:04:42,220 --> 01:04:44,620
Speaker 2: you have a sense that this is not all there is.

973
01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:47,780
Speaker 2: You have a sense that there is a good God

974
01:04:47,820 --> 01:04:52,300
Speaker 2: who governs the universe, though you suffer at that time, whereas.

975
01:04:51,980 --> 01:04:53,460
Speaker 3: The secular person can't.

976
01:04:53,220 --> 01:04:59,580
Speaker 2: Have that at any event. What belief in God allows

977
01:04:59,620 --> 01:05:02,460
Speaker 2: you to do is step back and not worship the

978
01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:06,060
Speaker 2: gods of your day. The fact that the whole secular

979
01:05:06,140 --> 01:05:09,419
Speaker 2: society says X is good, You're still not going to

980
01:05:09,460 --> 01:05:12,340
Speaker 2: say X is good. You are going to march to

981
01:05:12,420 --> 01:05:16,420
Speaker 2: the beat of a higher drummer. That's what God enables

982
01:05:16,460 --> 01:05:20,539
Speaker 2: you to do, so that society doesn't dictate your unders

983
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:24,860
Speaker 2: standing of right and wrong. God does. That's huge. It

984
01:05:24,940 --> 01:05:28,220
Speaker 2: is huge, as you probably know in your own lives.

985
01:05:28,220 --> 01:05:30,460
Speaker 2: And that's the challenge to give over to our children

986
01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:36,780
Speaker 2: who are so powerfully affected by television and other of

987
01:05:36,860 --> 01:05:41,580
Speaker 2: the parts of our secular society. I believe that that

988
01:05:41,700 --> 01:05:44,939
Speaker 2: is a major difference. And my intent is not in

989
01:05:44,980 --> 01:05:47,260
Speaker 2: any way to be political. I give you my word.

990
01:05:48,740 --> 01:05:52,740
Speaker 2: I never bring politics into talks that are not political.

991
01:05:53,340 --> 01:05:55,140
Speaker 2: I don't like when the left does that. I don't

992
01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:57,340
Speaker 2: like if they do that. More I believe than the right,

993
01:05:57,380 --> 01:05:59,860
Speaker 2: and I certainly don't want to do it. But so

994
01:05:59,980 --> 01:06:03,900
Speaker 2: what I'm about to say is not meant to say

995
01:06:04,060 --> 01:06:07,340
Speaker 2: why I like this candidate more than the other. It

996
01:06:07,380 --> 01:06:12,020
Speaker 2: is to illustrate why they think differently. President Bush is

997
01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:20,660
Speaker 2: prepared to go it alone as America his opponent, and

998
01:06:20,780 --> 01:06:26,539
Speaker 2: his opponents, tens of millions of opponents, are not for them.

999
01:06:26,940 --> 01:06:30,700
Speaker 2: It is very bad that America is not loved more

1000
01:06:30,900 --> 01:06:34,620
Speaker 2: in the world. And I am convinced that the more

1001
01:06:34,780 --> 01:06:37,380
Speaker 2: you walk with God, the less it's important whether the

1002
01:06:37,380 --> 01:06:42,579
Speaker 2: world loves you. Okay, Now, many will say, oh, that's

1003
01:06:42,620 --> 01:06:45,540
Speaker 2: scary guy. The president thinks he walks with God, we

1004
01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:49,140
Speaker 2: are doomed, and that's the way they feel. But we

1005
01:06:49,220 --> 01:06:52,300
Speaker 2: can agree though, that the one who does believe he

1006
01:06:52,380 --> 01:06:55,300
Speaker 2: walks or tries to walk with God in his life

1007
01:06:55,900 --> 01:07:02,939
Speaker 2: is less concerned with are we loved? Then are we right?

1008
01:07:03,980 --> 01:07:06,340
Speaker 2: Huge difference to me, it's all the difference in the world.

1009
01:07:10,060 --> 01:07:12,260
Speaker 2: As a member of the most hated people in history,

1010
01:07:12,340 --> 01:07:16,820
Speaker 2: the Jews, I certainly know that hated doesn't mean wrong.

1011
01:07:30,260 --> 01:07:35,180
Speaker 2: I end by speaking about the other side of the

1012
01:07:35,220 --> 01:07:38,860
Speaker 2: coin for a moment, and that is the issue of

1013
01:07:38,980 --> 01:07:41,140
Speaker 2: It is possible to believe in God and not be

1014
01:07:41,220 --> 01:07:46,900
Speaker 2: a good person, and that happens, and we have to

1015
01:07:46,940 --> 01:07:47,660
Speaker 2: be careful.

1016
01:07:48,140 --> 01:07:53,020
Speaker 3: How do you ensure that God and goodness do go together? Now?

1017
01:07:53,180 --> 01:07:57,580
Speaker 2: I don't have a perfect answer, but one way is

1018
01:07:58,540 --> 01:08:01,020
Speaker 2: to make sure that you believe God does want you

1019
01:08:01,060 --> 01:08:01,579
Speaker 2: to be good.

1020
01:08:04,180 --> 01:08:06,020
Speaker 3: Belief in God isn't magical.

1021
01:08:06,060 --> 01:08:07,900
Speaker 2: I believe in God and the next day I wake

1022
01:08:07,980 --> 01:08:11,140
Speaker 2: up and all of a sudden, I'm good. I mean, look,

1023
01:08:11,420 --> 01:08:14,740
Speaker 2: let's be honest. Let's take within just the Christian faith.

1024
01:08:15,900 --> 01:08:19,019
Speaker 2: You have the National Council of Churches, and you have

1025
01:08:19,100 --> 01:08:21,460
Speaker 2: evangelicals within Protestantism.

1026
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:23,940
Speaker 3: They don't even have to leave Protestant Christianity.

1027
01:08:25,220 --> 01:08:31,780
Speaker 2: They agree on one thing, God and Christ.

1028
01:08:33,580 --> 01:08:36,380
Speaker 3: And that's it. That's it, that's what they that's what.

1029
01:08:36,340 --> 01:08:39,700
Speaker 2: They both share, belief in God, the Father, and the Trinity.

1030
01:08:40,460 --> 01:08:44,179
Speaker 2: Beyond that nothing every value in the world. They do

1031
01:08:44,380 --> 01:08:50,660
Speaker 2: not do not share on sexual matters on pacifism, matters

1032
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:53,979
Speaker 2: on war and peace, matters on good and evil, you

1033
01:08:54,099 --> 01:08:54,540
Speaker 2: name it.

1034
01:08:55,420 --> 01:08:57,059
Speaker 3: How could that be? How could that be?

1035
01:08:59,460 --> 01:09:01,660
Speaker 2: So it's a it's a And by the way, I

1036
01:09:01,660 --> 01:09:06,099
Speaker 2: don't have a terrific answer. Why person a who believes

1037
01:09:06,099 --> 01:09:09,179
Speaker 2: in God person be believes in the same God, and

1038
01:09:09,220 --> 01:09:13,740
Speaker 2: they turn out with entirely different value systems. It's a problem.

1039
01:09:13,820 --> 01:09:17,420
Speaker 2: It is a problem. I have theories, but I'm not

1040
01:09:17,740 --> 01:09:20,979
Speaker 2: I have to work that out because I it's part

1041
01:09:20,979 --> 01:09:22,900
Speaker 2: of me. I'll tell you what part of me believes.

1042
01:09:23,860 --> 01:09:27,339
Speaker 2: I think this might give you. This is a recent

1043
01:09:27,420 --> 01:09:32,419
Speaker 2: thinking on my part. It's not enough to believe in God,

1044
01:09:33,460 --> 01:09:37,939
Speaker 2: and not enough for a Christian to believe in the Trinity.

1045
01:09:38,059 --> 01:09:41,140
Speaker 2: You also have to believe in the divinity of the text.

1046
01:09:42,580 --> 01:09:46,260
Speaker 2: I think that that is a huge dividing line on

1047
01:09:46,540 --> 01:09:50,580
Speaker 2: questions of where your faith will lead you in moral questions.

1048
01:09:51,580 --> 01:09:55,140
Speaker 2: It's true in my religion, it is true in Christianity.

1049
01:09:55,340 --> 01:09:57,620
Speaker 2: So one of the first things, and this is very

1050
01:09:57,660 --> 01:09:59,420
Speaker 2: recent my realization of this.

1051
01:10:01,700 --> 01:10:04,140
Speaker 3: Take, for example, the terribly.

1052
01:10:03,820 --> 01:10:07,979
Speaker 2: Vexing question of same sex marriage. I mean, if you're

1053
01:10:08,019 --> 01:10:14,780
Speaker 2: not sensitive to the moral humanitarian impulse that many people feel,

1054
01:10:14,900 --> 01:10:18,580
Speaker 2: then you're not sensitive. I mean, there is real love there.

1055
01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:22,740
Speaker 2: There are very often very fine people there. I understand it.

1056
01:10:23,099 --> 01:10:27,740
Speaker 2: These people are not demonized in my eyes at all.

1057
01:10:28,140 --> 01:10:31,700
Speaker 2: But putting that aside for a moment, the difference between

1058
01:10:32,540 --> 01:10:37,820
Speaker 2: religious forget the secular religious people on the same sex

1059
01:10:37,860 --> 01:10:41,180
Speaker 2: marriage question will overwhelmingly.

1060
01:10:40,340 --> 01:10:42,540
Speaker 3: Ride on the question of the divinity of the text.

1061
01:10:44,140 --> 01:10:47,299
Speaker 2: Jews who believe in the divinity of the Torah will

1062
01:10:47,340 --> 01:10:51,099
Speaker 2: be against same sex marriage overwhelmingly, Jews who will be

1063
01:10:51,180 --> 01:10:54,540
Speaker 2: for it overwhelmingly, Christians who believe in the divinity of

1064
01:10:54,580 --> 01:10:58,780
Speaker 2: the Bible will be overwhelmingly likely to be against same

1065
01:10:58,820 --> 01:11:01,300
Speaker 2: sex marriage, and those who believe it's a man may

1066
01:11:01,340 --> 01:11:07,860
Speaker 2: document overwhelmingly will be for same sex marriage. So it's interesting.

1067
01:11:08,140 --> 01:11:10,900
Speaker 2: It's the best answer I could come up with now

1068
01:11:10,979 --> 01:11:16,900
Speaker 2: about how even faith in God is insufficient. I have

1069
01:11:16,979 --> 01:11:20,099
Speaker 2: to know what God wants. It's so you believe in God,

1070
01:11:20,140 --> 01:11:23,059
Speaker 2: I believe. Do we believe that God wants the same things?

1071
01:11:23,059 --> 01:11:24,979
Speaker 2: And if we don't, then it's irrelevant that we believe

1072
01:11:24,979 --> 01:11:29,420
Speaker 2: in the same God. We really don't. It's like I

1073
01:11:29,460 --> 01:11:32,500
Speaker 2: believe in you know, we're siblings. I believe in Mom

1074
01:11:32,540 --> 01:11:34,939
Speaker 2: and you believe in Mom. But you think Mom wants

1075
01:11:34,939 --> 01:11:37,019
Speaker 2: you to rob Banks and I think Mom wants me

1076
01:11:37,059 --> 01:11:40,019
Speaker 2: to return the phone honestly to Verizon.

1077
01:11:41,939 --> 01:11:43,700
Speaker 3: Do we have the same mom?

1078
01:11:44,420 --> 01:11:48,179
Speaker 2: Yes, biologically, but not morally, not in any way that

1079
01:11:48,260 --> 01:11:52,099
Speaker 2: it matters. We might as well have totally different moms.

1080
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:57,740
Speaker 2: We believe she wants different things that matter. So I

1081
01:11:57,780 --> 01:12:01,820
Speaker 2: think the divinity of the text has to follow of

1082
01:12:01,939 --> 01:12:05,420
Speaker 2: a text of some text. If every word of the

1083
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Speaker 2: Bible is written by people, then every word of the

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Speaker 2: Bible can be changed by people.

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Speaker 3: It's as simple as that.

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Speaker 2: Then you're the Bible and the Bible isn't. You are

1087
01:12:19,860 --> 01:12:23,700
Speaker 2: now a mine scribe. You have written your own Bible.

1088
01:12:25,300 --> 01:12:30,059
Speaker 2: They call us arrogant. Always cracks me up. That's pretty arrogant.

1089
01:12:30,099 --> 01:12:32,860
Speaker 2: I gotta say that you are the source of your

1090
01:12:32,900 --> 01:12:38,260
Speaker 2: own religious values. So, in a nutshell, these are the

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01:12:38,380 --> 01:12:44,820
Speaker 2: arguments without God and without this biblical text, much of

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01:12:44,860 --> 01:12:48,460
Speaker 2: which we share. I don't know how a good girl,

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01:12:48,740 --> 01:12:54,020
Speaker 2: good world can be informed. And we live this example

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01:12:54,140 --> 01:12:57,500
Speaker 2: in the Great Battle for America sould today, which is

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01:12:57,540 --> 01:13:00,540
Speaker 2: why this Jew is at this Christian academy this evening.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very very much, thank you very much, thank you,

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01:13:17,780 --> 01:13:28,860
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you again.

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Speaker 2: I took a long time, so maybe we won't have

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01:13:33,300 --> 01:13:34,860
Speaker 2: que What do you want to do? It's your call.

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01:13:35,860 --> 01:13:40,500
Speaker 2: You run the school. Would you like time for a

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01:13:40,540 --> 01:13:44,979
Speaker 2: few questions and answers? Okay, before that, I want to

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01:13:44,979 --> 01:13:46,740
Speaker 2: tell you I volunteer to.

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01:13:46,740 --> 01:13:48,820
Speaker 3: Do the following. I asked to do this.

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01:13:49,780 --> 01:13:52,340
Speaker 2: This one thing we Jews can teach you guys, fundraising,

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01:13:54,140 --> 01:13:59,820
Speaker 2: So we do it shamelessly. It is a non issue.

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01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:06,140
Speaker 2: We embarrass people at Jewish events to give money. So Rosenbaum,

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01:14:06,220 --> 01:14:08,259
Speaker 2: how much this year? You know that sort of thing.

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01:14:11,860 --> 01:14:15,419
Speaker 2: That's the truth, that's absolutely it. And nobody gets embarrassed

1109
01:14:15,460 --> 01:14:22,059
Speaker 2: because they all fork up. If you got to support

1110
01:14:22,099 --> 01:14:24,099
Speaker 2: a place like this, you just you just have to.

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01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:28,099
Speaker 2: This is this is what's going to save America. And

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01:14:28,140 --> 01:14:29,860
Speaker 2: you you know, whether you have kids there or you

1113
01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:32,220
Speaker 2: don't have kids there. And I'm sure you're stuck like

1114
01:14:32,260 --> 01:14:33,939
Speaker 2: we are at our Jewish school. I'm sure you have

1115
01:14:33,979 --> 01:14:36,979
Speaker 2: some kids who don't pay is that true? You have

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01:14:37,019 --> 01:14:40,460
Speaker 2: a lot of a lot of tuition assistants exactly, And

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01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:41,660
Speaker 2: so what are you going to do? You say to

1118
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:44,059
Speaker 2: these parents, sorry, we just don't have which you have

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01:14:44,099 --> 01:14:47,139
Speaker 2: to do sometimes we don't have the money. So so

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01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:49,700
Speaker 2: you know, you have to regard every kid as your kid,

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01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:50,740
Speaker 2: even if you don't have kids.

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01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:53,460
Speaker 3: Your kids are grown up. So I really do I

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01:14:53,500 --> 01:14:53,939
Speaker 3: ask you.

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01:14:53,900 --> 01:14:59,420
Speaker 2: To to really reach in because if if we don't

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01:14:59,620 --> 01:15:04,259
Speaker 2: support the best institutions nobody will. It's it's it's really

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01:15:04,460 --> 01:15:05,740
Speaker 2: and this is a beautiful place.

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01:15:06,059 --> 01:15:08,059
Speaker 3: I like to visit it one day. Be a real

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Speaker 3: joy for me.

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Speaker 2: So okay, Now, anybody who has a question coming a

1130
01:15:13,099 --> 01:15:16,900
Speaker 2: prefultimate speech, just raise your hand. By the way, is

1131
01:15:16,900 --> 01:15:19,259
Speaker 2: there anybody here who has not heard my radio show?

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01:15:21,780 --> 01:15:22,500
Speaker 2: Why are you here?

1133
01:15:26,059 --> 01:15:26,259
Speaker 3: Really?

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01:15:26,340 --> 01:15:33,820
Speaker 2: Why are you here? Did somebody bring you? Yeah? Oh

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01:15:33,860 --> 01:15:35,459
Speaker 2: you want to say so you came to the school

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01:15:36,099 --> 01:15:39,740
Speaker 2: and you got me as a bonus. Okay, so you're

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01:15:39,740 --> 01:15:42,780
Speaker 2: gonna send your kids to the school. Now, hey, yelle

1138
01:15:42,820 --> 01:15:52,340
Speaker 2: me on it. We rehearsed that Wednesday. Actually, all right,

1139
01:15:52,380 --> 01:15:55,900
Speaker 2: anybody have any question or comment? This is this is

1140
01:15:56,220 --> 01:15:59,620
Speaker 2: a phenomenon of audiences. I could write an essay, a

1141
01:15:59,660 --> 01:16:02,900
Speaker 2: long essay on the psychology of audiences. In the beginning,

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01:16:03,019 --> 01:16:06,140
Speaker 2: no one raises their hand, and then there were three,

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01:16:06,260 --> 01:16:09,179
Speaker 2: then nine, then twenty seven and so on.

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01:16:09,420 --> 01:16:12,380
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, you mentioned.

1145
01:16:12,059 --> 01:16:16,700
Speaker 5: The across the shoe earlier, and I had zeb Daniel

1146
01:16:16,740 --> 01:16:19,300
Speaker 5: Raby laughed at a few weeks ago, and we had

1147
01:16:19,300 --> 01:16:24,219
Speaker 5: talked about a fringe group that writes and blames Jews

1148
01:16:24,260 --> 01:16:29,820
Speaker 5: for the problems of Mexicans and Latinos in Los Angeles.

1149
01:16:29,860 --> 01:16:32,019
Speaker 5: And actually in southwestern United States and how they're going

1150
01:16:32,059 --> 01:16:36,339
Speaker 5: to take the southwest. And he asked me to write

1151
01:16:36,540 --> 01:16:40,299
Speaker 5: to uh. I have a relationship with Wendy Green, who

1152
01:16:40,300 --> 01:16:42,500
Speaker 5: wrote writes articles, and he asked me to ask her

1153
01:16:42,540 --> 01:16:45,339
Speaker 5: to write an article. And she says, oh, that's not important.

1154
01:16:45,340 --> 01:16:48,780
Speaker 5: They're a fringe group. So were the Nazis in nineteen

1155
01:16:48,780 --> 01:16:49,219
Speaker 5: thirty three?

1156
01:16:49,380 --> 01:16:51,380
Speaker 3: Is it larraza LaRaza?

1157
01:16:51,460 --> 01:16:55,860
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they're not fringe groups at all. They have

1158
01:16:55,939 --> 01:17:00,139
Speaker 2: and maye and so on. Here's someone speaking about in

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01:17:00,180 --> 01:17:04,299
Speaker 2: the Hispanic community that there are anti Semitic statements from

1160
01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:08,419
Speaker 2: radical left wing groups that are not that are not marginal.

1161
01:17:08,460 --> 01:17:11,099
Speaker 2: That is absolutely right. Now, why aren't they blaming the

1162
01:17:11,140 --> 01:17:14,340
Speaker 2: Jews for the removal of the cross as One of

1163
01:17:14,420 --> 01:17:16,500
Speaker 2: the great things about being a Jew, I must tell

1164
01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:18,900
Speaker 2: you is you're responsible for everything.

1165
01:17:21,019 --> 01:17:22,860
Speaker 3: I wake up every day and find.

1166
01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:27,900
Speaker 2: Out what I'm responsible for that day. It's amazing, amazing

1167
01:17:27,939 --> 01:17:30,939
Speaker 2: what a one percent of the world is responsible for,

1168
01:17:31,820 --> 01:17:34,740
Speaker 2: but it is, it's phenomenal. Do you know that there

1169
01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:37,259
Speaker 2: are people who say that the warranty wrack is because

1170
01:17:37,260 --> 01:17:39,820
Speaker 2: of Jews? And there are also people who say that

1171
01:17:39,860 --> 01:17:42,339
Speaker 2: the opposition to the warranty rack is led by Jews.

1172
01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:46,540
Speaker 2: So which is it? Exactly? Are the Jews responsible for

1173
01:17:46,620 --> 01:17:50,020
Speaker 2: opposition to the war or going to war? They're responsible

1174
01:17:50,059 --> 01:17:53,820
Speaker 2: for both, first of all, aside from how silly it is,

1175
01:17:53,939 --> 01:17:56,620
Speaker 2: you realize what it says about Gentiles.

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01:17:56,300 --> 01:17:58,259
Speaker 3: You're nothing's you're zilches.

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01:17:59,740 --> 01:18:02,260
Speaker 2: We go to war and we oppose the war and

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Speaker 2: you do whatever we say.

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Speaker 3: It's just it's so bizarre. It is so bizarre. Cracks

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Speaker 3: me up anyway.

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01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:14,540
Speaker 2: Yes, of course it has to be dealt with, But

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01:18:14,620 --> 01:18:16,580
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody deals with it better than you know,

1183
01:18:16,620 --> 01:18:20,019
Speaker 2: someone who's Latino himself. But it is, I mean, is

1184
01:18:20,099 --> 01:18:24,979
Speaker 2: it is beyond preposterous? Is Gloria Molina jewish? Is you

1185
01:18:25,019 --> 01:18:29,019
Speaker 2: know she she voted on the board. She's Latino, she's

1186
01:18:29,059 --> 01:18:33,979
Speaker 2: a machista, but she voted that. Wait, so the Mitcha

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01:18:34,140 --> 01:18:37,660
Speaker 2: movement says Jews getting rid of the cross though a

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01:18:37,740 --> 01:18:43,419
Speaker 2: machista voted, was the decisive vote to remove it. Volts

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Speaker 2: When you want to hate, reason is not important, forget God.

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01:18:48,740 --> 01:18:51,260
Speaker 2: Even reason is not is not important. Now what are

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01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:53,419
Speaker 2: you going to do? Look, it's it's the ongoing battle.

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01:18:53,820 --> 01:18:57,340
Speaker 2: Anybody else, yes, please? What did you do with?

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01:19:04,099 --> 01:19:04,499
Speaker 3: Well?

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01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:08,740
Speaker 2: Actually, It's funny because on the show I delayed telling

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01:19:08,820 --> 01:19:11,740
Speaker 2: what I did for you how to go to work.

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01:19:14,420 --> 01:19:15,700
Speaker 3: You shouldn't have gone to work.

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Speaker 2: On the show, I delayed for two segments while I

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Speaker 2: actually did. So what I did do is tell the

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Speaker 2: truth by the way I tell the truth, not only

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Speaker 2: because God wants me tell the truth. I tell the

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01:19:27,500 --> 01:19:30,939
Speaker 2: truth of psychological reasons. It's gotten to the point where

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01:19:30,939 --> 01:19:34,139
Speaker 2: if I lie, I don't like me, and I just

1203
01:19:34,260 --> 01:19:37,460
Speaker 2: like to like me. It says pretty much it was selfish. Really,

1204
01:19:37,500 --> 01:19:41,580
Speaker 2: you know, God played its secondary role. It was pure selfishness.

1205
01:19:41,620 --> 01:19:46,339
Speaker 2: I like to respect me. I really, I'm serious. It's

1206
01:19:47,540 --> 01:19:49,660
Speaker 2: when you get you know, there's a phenomenal there's a

1207
01:19:49,700 --> 01:19:52,580
Speaker 2: great Hebrew phrase from the Telm the Great Jewish work

1208
01:19:52,620 --> 01:19:57,900
Speaker 2: after the Bible. One sin drags along another, and one

1209
01:19:57,900 --> 01:20:00,900
Speaker 2: good deed drags along another good deed. And that is

1210
01:20:00,939 --> 01:20:04,099
Speaker 2: so true. When you start doing good, more good gets done.

1211
01:20:04,140 --> 01:20:07,460
Speaker 2: When you start doing bad, more bad gets done. So

1212
01:20:07,580 --> 01:20:11,580
Speaker 2: I just you know, I, for whatever reason, I prefer

1213
01:20:11,740 --> 01:20:15,780
Speaker 2: to sleep well at night and lose money, then gain

1214
01:20:15,860 --> 01:20:18,540
Speaker 2: money and not sleep well at night. So I actually

1215
01:20:18,580 --> 01:20:21,259
Speaker 2: a purely secular reason, aside from God, which is always

1216
01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:24,179
Speaker 2: plays a role. So I told them the truth, but

1217
01:20:24,340 --> 01:20:27,979
Speaker 2: I will I actually had a good thing happened. But

1218
01:20:28,059 --> 01:20:31,900
Speaker 2: my listeners, I tell you, this is really I mean,

1219
01:20:31,900 --> 01:20:36,219
Speaker 2: it's both the credit to me and frightening. I mean,

1220
01:20:36,380 --> 01:20:39,219
Speaker 2: there are there are listeners who really do walk around

1221
01:20:39,220 --> 01:20:42,460
Speaker 2: with what would Dennis do? As they're as they're thinking.

1222
01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:46,660
Speaker 2: And I am very I'm very touched by it. But

1223
01:20:46,700 --> 01:20:49,979
Speaker 2: I'm not that good. You know, I'm good, but I'm

1224
01:20:50,059 --> 01:20:54,979
Speaker 2: you know, I'm also flawed. Anyway, So what happened was

1225
01:20:55,099 --> 01:20:57,459
Speaker 2: I told the truth on the air. This is what happened.

1226
01:20:57,620 --> 01:21:00,299
Speaker 2: I went to It was in Minneapolis, and I went

1227
01:21:00,300 --> 01:21:03,820
Speaker 2: to Verizon and I said, hey, guys, I don't want

1228
01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:05,460
Speaker 2: to tell you it broke, because the truth is I

1229
01:21:05,500 --> 01:21:08,500
Speaker 2: dropped it down the toilet. The guy laughed a little bit.

1230
01:21:08,540 --> 01:21:10,179
Speaker 2: He said, you know, you're the eight hundredth person to

1231
01:21:10,260 --> 01:21:12,500
Speaker 2: drop a phone in that thought. Apparently this is a

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01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:13,540
Speaker 2: common phenomenon.

1233
01:21:14,900 --> 01:21:16,860
Speaker 3: I did not know that. I thought I was, you know,

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01:21:16,860 --> 01:21:20,500
Speaker 3: one of six all men.

1235
01:21:20,780 --> 01:21:27,620
Speaker 2: Incidentally, no woman has ever.

1236
01:21:27,340 --> 01:21:27,979
Speaker 3: At any rate.

1237
01:21:28,220 --> 01:21:30,780
Speaker 2: I uh. So I told them what happened, and they

1238
01:21:30,979 --> 01:21:35,300
Speaker 2: uh and uh. I. So they said, let's let me

1239
01:21:35,340 --> 01:21:38,259
Speaker 2: look up your account see if you have it insured,

1240
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:40,019
Speaker 2: And I said, you know, they said, well you don't

1241
01:21:40,019 --> 01:21:43,500
Speaker 2: have it insured. But as it happens, California has not

1242
01:21:43,660 --> 01:21:47,379
Speaker 2: yet been offering insurance. So we'll just take the fifty

1243
01:21:47,420 --> 01:21:48,939
Speaker 2: dollars deductible.

1244
01:21:48,580 --> 01:21:51,179
Speaker 3: And here's a new phone. Isn't that sweet of them?

1245
01:21:51,340 --> 01:21:55,260
Speaker 2: Of course it's Minnesota, Minnesota nice as they call themselves.

1246
01:21:56,300 --> 01:21:56,420
Speaker 3: Uh.

1247
01:21:57,580 --> 01:22:01,820
Speaker 2: Anyway, Uh I got letters saying, Dennis, that was disgusting.

1248
01:22:01,860 --> 01:22:06,099
Speaker 2: Now you robbed the insurance company. There's no there's no end.

1249
01:22:06,220 --> 01:22:11,620
Speaker 2: There is no end I can know at anybody else. Yes,

1250
01:22:11,700 --> 01:22:13,740
Speaker 2: please you.

1251
01:22:16,019 --> 01:22:19,620
Speaker 5: Since the separation of church and state has come about,

1252
01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:24,620
Speaker 5: it it's open door for the religion of secularism to

1253
01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:29,420
Speaker 5: come in and take over. What do you foresee as

1254
01:22:29,900 --> 01:22:33,660
Speaker 5: Christians being able to know in a sense fight back

1255
01:22:34,380 --> 01:22:36,020
Speaker 5: or stand up for honor.

1256
01:22:36,540 --> 01:22:37,620
Speaker 6: What they believes.

1257
01:22:38,620 --> 01:22:41,660
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you have to fight back, but it's not

1258
01:22:41,780 --> 01:22:42,139
Speaker 3: just you.

1259
01:22:42,260 --> 01:22:45,339
Speaker 2: That's why when I did the fight for the Cross

1260
01:22:45,380 --> 01:22:47,220
Speaker 2: at the Board of Supervisors and we had what do

1261
01:22:47,260 --> 01:22:47,460
Speaker 2: we have?

1262
01:22:47,979 --> 01:22:50,740
Speaker 3: So anybody remember the number I announced two thousand?

1263
01:22:50,979 --> 01:22:52,820
Speaker 2: You know we got two I got two thousand people

1264
01:22:52,860 --> 01:22:57,059
Speaker 2: there on a day's notice during work hours downtown LA,

1265
01:22:57,140 --> 01:23:00,620
Speaker 2: where nobody knows how to get to and uh, I'm

1266
01:23:00,700 --> 01:23:02,740
Speaker 2: kidding only I don't know, not a lot of people don't.

1267
01:23:02,740 --> 01:23:06,260
Speaker 2: But no, that was and truly there were atheist Buddhists,

1268
01:23:06,820 --> 01:23:10,139
Speaker 2: and I said, please, non Christians, you gotta show up.

1269
01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:13,059
Speaker 2: It's not this is not your battle. This is an

1270
01:23:13,099 --> 01:23:17,500
Speaker 2: American battle. You must understand that. You must take this

1271
01:23:17,620 --> 01:23:22,019
Speaker 2: out of your mind. That you're fighting for Christianity, that's true,

1272
01:23:22,460 --> 01:23:26,900
Speaker 2: but you're fighting for America because Christianity has been the

1273
01:23:27,140 --> 01:23:31,540
Speaker 2: basis of this wonderful society. That's why I'm fighting for it.

1274
01:23:31,540 --> 01:23:36,660
Speaker 2: And I'm Jewish because if you fail, we fail. So

1275
01:23:36,780 --> 01:23:39,860
Speaker 2: you have to fight. But you're fighting for America, you're

1276
01:23:39,900 --> 01:23:42,420
Speaker 2: also fighting for truth Christianity.

1277
01:23:42,540 --> 01:23:45,220
Speaker 3: Christians founded La County.

1278
01:23:45,140 --> 01:23:52,340
Speaker 2: Not Buddhists, not Jews, not Hindus, not astrologers, no, but Christians.

1279
01:23:52,500 --> 01:23:59,460
Speaker 3: That's why it's called Los Angeles. The Angels. They who's angels? Catholics? Angels?

1280
01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:05,060
Speaker 2: I mean, you know if it was called Los Messussas,

1281
01:24:09,580 --> 01:24:18,139
Speaker 2: then the Jews founded it. Yes, please, yes, we recently

1282
01:24:18,140 --> 01:24:20,259
Speaker 2: made the decision to send both of our kids to this.

1283
01:24:20,260 --> 01:24:24,700
Speaker 7: School, and it seemed like during that process, circumstance tried

1284
01:24:24,740 --> 01:24:26,979
Speaker 7: to throw up roadblock after roadblock where.

1285
01:24:26,780 --> 01:24:29,059
Speaker 4: There was social or emotional.

1286
01:24:28,939 --> 01:24:30,820
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if again it I.

1287
01:24:30,780 --> 01:24:33,900
Speaker 7: Thought it was almost like the forces that people were waking.

1288
01:24:33,740 --> 01:24:35,460
Speaker 4: Up as we took a step closer to God.

1289
01:24:35,500 --> 01:24:37,580
Speaker 3: And what about your thought on that, Well, you got

1290
01:24:37,580 --> 01:24:39,099
Speaker 3: to tell me what happened exactly.

1291
01:24:39,340 --> 01:24:42,900
Speaker 7: You you just kept over them until we just finally.

1292
01:24:42,620 --> 01:24:44,820
Speaker 2: Made the decision and then what to send your kids

1293
01:24:44,820 --> 01:24:47,500
Speaker 2: to this school. But give me an example of something

1294
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:49,540
Speaker 2: that would happen that you'd want me to comment on.

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Speaker 3: When you were talking to somebody about it.

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Speaker 7: In the secular society, they would, you know, just vigorously

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Speaker 7: defend their decisions and almost single you out as making

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Speaker 7: an odd decision in the face of what else was

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Speaker 7: going on.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so all right, so therefore it sounds perfectly right.

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Speaker 3: So you will get that that.

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Speaker 2: Opposition I described that in the talk. You will get

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Speaker 2: secular friends or others opposition to your sending your kids

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Speaker 2: to a religious school. That is correct. But you have

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Speaker 2: a great answer. You have a lot of great answers.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I tape this, and this would be you

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Speaker 2: should give this tape to anybody you want to explain

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Speaker 2: why you support or send your kids to such a school,

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Speaker 2: and they will have the precious few arguments. He the

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Speaker 2: arguments are good and be was given by a non Christian,

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Speaker 2: so they don't have a lot to stand on when

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Speaker 2: they go well, of course a Christian will say, well,

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Speaker 2: he happens to be a religious Jew, but what the

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01:25:47,380 --> 01:25:54,580
Speaker 2: hell you know? So you need to be fortified. And

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Speaker 2: you could just say you know that. Listen and it

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Speaker 2: was set in your film or one of you. Either

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Speaker 2: you said it, or Jeff the teacher said it, or

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Speaker 2: the film said it. One of the three not giving

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Speaker 2: child God when they grow up.

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Speaker 3: I go, actually beyond what was said.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember the end of your sentence, but you know,

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Speaker 2: is a loss or something. I think it's child abuse,

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Speaker 2: I really do. I think you could always reject God later,

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Speaker 2: but to deprive, deliberately deprive a child of God is

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Speaker 2: just I think it's wrong. By the way, there are

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Speaker 2: a lot of atheists and agnostics and irreligious people who

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Speaker 2: give their kids God when they grow up, just like

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Speaker 2: there are people who have no love of music who

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Speaker 2: give their kids classical music lessons. You know it's good

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Speaker 2: for the child, though you yourself don't happen to get

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Speaker 2: into it.

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Speaker 3: That's a perfectly legitimate thing to do.

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Speaker 2: There are people who don't know Beethoven from the Beach Boys,

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Speaker 2: but they will give their kids a classical piano lessons,

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Speaker 2: not because they love Beethoven, but because they know Beethoven's.

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Speaker 3: Good for you. So it's not even bad if you're

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Speaker 3: not religious.

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Speaker 2: It's not hypocritical, a favorite word of those who don't think. Clearly,

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Speaker 2: it's not hypocritical for a non religious parent to send

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Speaker 2: their kid to a religious school, not in the least

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01:27:15,660 --> 01:27:18,139
Speaker 2: any more than a non musical parent will send their

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Speaker 2: kids to a music school. Okay, let me take uh

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01:27:21,939 --> 01:27:25,340
Speaker 2: one more, yes please? Sorry, yeah, speaking.

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Speaker 6: Of consistency, mister Prayer, I listened to you almost relatedously.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, and I.

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Speaker 6: Know that you have taken a number of shows to

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01:27:36,620 --> 01:27:40,820
Speaker 6: talk about character issues, the question of universus cheating, and

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01:27:40,860 --> 01:27:44,300
Speaker 6: things along those lines. But recently you said in one

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Speaker 6: of your Friday shows, and someone could ask you anything,

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01:27:46,740 --> 01:27:50,660
Speaker 6: that you felt that aston in education in public schools

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Speaker 6: was a house, a waste of time and unrealistic.

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01:27:54,900 --> 01:27:55,260
Speaker 3: Not me.

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01:27:56,059 --> 01:27:58,580
Speaker 2: Oh y, no, I never said that. It's It's okay,

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01:27:58,660 --> 01:28:00,139
Speaker 2: peep I I if I say.

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Speaker 6: I would like clarifications oh there, oh, not asked me.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I am totally for absence education.

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Speaker 2: I I My view on handing out condoms in high

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01:28:07,420 --> 01:28:11,540
Speaker 2: schools was brilliantly refuted, not by me, but by a speaker.

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Speaker 2: I heard who's who's well known, but I forgot his name.

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01:28:16,700 --> 01:28:17,979
Speaker 2: It was not that well known, but.

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Speaker 3: Y you know. But but really I heard.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the reason I'm saying this is because

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Speaker 2: you see it shows you the place of religion In Judaism,

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01:28:26,380 --> 01:28:30,500
Speaker 2: it is extremely important never to cite an idea of another,

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01:28:30,620 --> 01:28:33,660
Speaker 2: and as if it's your own, it's considered a stealing.

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01:28:35,140 --> 01:28:37,419
Speaker 2: So that's the reason I'm telling you it's not mine,

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01:28:37,620 --> 01:28:40,299
Speaker 2: but I don't know whose it is, so I'm partially

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01:28:40,340 --> 01:28:45,419
Speaker 2: stealing because I didn't tell you who the owner is. Anyway,

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01:28:45,540 --> 01:28:47,420
Speaker 2: he made a great point at a talk that I heard.

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Speaker 2: He said, for those who say that giving out condoms

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Speaker 2: does not encourage sexual activity, what would you think of

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Speaker 2: a wife who has her husband left on a business trip.

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01:28:58,620 --> 01:29:02,700
Speaker 2: Went over to him as he left, said honey, here

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01:29:02,740 --> 01:29:07,059
Speaker 2: are some condoms. Now. I'm not encouraging you to have sex,

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Speaker 2: please understand that, but if you do, I want it

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Speaker 2: to be safe.

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Speaker 3: Your laughter answers the question.

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Speaker 2: So, now let me understand if we say it to

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Speaker 2: an adult who is more likely to be have self control.

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Speaker 2: A married adult is more likely to exercise sexual self.

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Speaker 3: Control than an unmarried teenager.

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01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:36,099
Speaker 2: So if we give out condoms to adults and we

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Speaker 2: assume that it will increase the likelihood of sex, how

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01:29:41,180 --> 01:29:46,299
Speaker 2: much more so with kids. So I don't know how

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01:29:46,340 --> 01:29:50,660
Speaker 2: you heard it, but it's inevitable that things will be misheard.

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01:29:51,019 --> 01:29:54,219
Speaker 2: It's even conceivable I misspoke, but on that I don't

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01:29:54,260 --> 01:29:57,860
Speaker 2: have any ambivalence. So I don't know exactly how it

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01:29:57,900 --> 01:30:00,580
Speaker 2: came across. But I'm glad you had me clarify it

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01:30:00,620 --> 01:30:06,220
Speaker 2: because you'll sleep better tonight. I'm sure I do. I

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01:30:06,500 --> 01:30:09,180
Speaker 2: do have an idea. I'm glad I said it was

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Speaker 2: the last question. Thank you, God, bless you, Thank you

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Speaker 2: for presure.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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