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Speaker 2: Aaccfoundation dot org. Welcome to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton,

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Speaker 1: I Built Different.

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Speaker 2: Our mission is to provide encouragement, hope and challenge to

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Speaker 2: help push you past your limits and.

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Speaker 1: Reach goals you never thought possible.

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Speaker 2: Colossians two, verse six says, So then, just as you

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Speaker 2: received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live your lives in Him,

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Speaker 2: rooted and built up in Him.

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Speaker 1: Amen. Now let's roll.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back into the Built Different Podcast, a

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Speaker 2: place where we seek to have conversations at the intersection

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Speaker 2: of faith, mental health, and really where our hope can

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Speaker 2: be found.

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Speaker 1: Which is in the person of Jesus.

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Speaker 2: We also are going to have a lot of conversations

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Speaker 2: around again the habits, the heart and the hope that

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Speaker 2: can only be found through Him. And today we have

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Speaker 2: a very special guest. We're gathered at the Extraordinary Women event.

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Speaker 2: It's a sold out crowd, over five thousand women here

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Speaker 2: Thomas Roade Baptist Church in Lynchburg, Virginia, for our grace

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Speaker 2: and Mercy Fall Tour. God has just shown up in

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Speaker 2: this place and his presence has been known, it's been felt,

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Speaker 2: it has been palpable. But our special guest today, she's

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Speaker 2: a USA Today best selling author. She is a Bible teacher,

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Speaker 2: very renowned at that. She is the Midnight Mom devotional

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Speaker 2: community founder. She actually leaves it alongside of her mom, Susan,

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Speaker 2: and we'll dive into some of those things today. But

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Speaker 2: God has used her and I believe has strategically placed

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Speaker 2: her voice in her example for such a time as this.

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Speaker 2: Miss Becky Thompson, thank you so much for joining.

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Speaker 3: Us, Doctor Zach, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this, ma'am. I will say this.

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Speaker 2: You brought a word last night. I'm serious, drop the

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Speaker 2: bomb in this place, Mike drop And it was amazing.

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Speaker 1: Well, God did.

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Speaker 2: I felt like his spirit just was all over that room,

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Speaker 2: and it was in the word that he gave to

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Speaker 2: you because you mentioned upfront that you were with us

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Speaker 2: in the spring, and you delivered a powerful message then.

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Speaker 2: But because of the shift in the cultural moment, God

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Speaker 2: gave you a different word to bring. I'd love for

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Speaker 2: you just to give our audience a glimpse into what

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Speaker 2: you shared last night.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. So that's exactly right.

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Speaker 4: I had a wonderful message in scept in the spring

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Speaker 4: the Lord gave me two very specific words back to back.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I'm an author and I've written ten

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Speaker 4: That the Lord said, I want you to go back,

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Speaker 3: And the answer is boldness. The answer is a.

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Speaker 2: It's powerful. Just again, it's a word of activation. I

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Speaker 2: But we are seeing that very thing come to life

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Speaker 2: it relates to what you're seeing in terms of this

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Speaker 1: It's global.

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Speaker 2: At this point, people are flooding the streets, people are

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Speaker 2: Seeing and hearing from the women, even in kind of

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Speaker 1: What do you see on a daily basis.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think people are encouraged. I think people

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Speaker 3: And that's what I hear. I hear this battle cry.

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Speaker 4: Of mothers across the nation, mothers across the globe, saying

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Speaker 2: to say, you're listening to build different I'm Zach Clinton.

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Speaker 2: Karen, that's exactly right. And he is a gift and

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Speaker 4: important work. We're treating those symptoms. We have to treat

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Speaker 4: the symptoms at some point. Right, I'm not saying I

441
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Speaker 4: probably could have phrased that better. I'm not saying, don't

442
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Speaker 4: treat the symptoms. We have to get down to what

443
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Speaker 4: matters most, which is we build the foundation of our

444
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Speaker 4: home on the word of God, on the reality of

445
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Speaker 4: a God who is alive, and not a God who was,

446
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Speaker 4: but a God who is. Not a God only who said,

447
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Speaker 4: but a God who says, not a God who came

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Speaker 4: and went, but a God who is the everlasting, the

449
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Speaker 4: beginning and the end, and inhabits every part in between.

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Speaker 3: And when we keep that the main thing.

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Speaker 4: And we believe that the Holy Spirit still speaks and

452
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Speaker 4: still leads, we have to remember he cares about those details.

453
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Speaker 4: He cares about every little thing. He cares about all

454
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Speaker 4: of the symptoms. But he is ultimately the answer. He

455
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Speaker 4: is ultimately the answer, and he will lead. He will

456
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Speaker 4: lead us as we care about the social media and

457
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Speaker 4: the kid's friends and what's coming into our home. He'll

458
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Speaker 4: help us walk the perimeter of our lives and find

459
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Speaker 4: the entry points that we need to close and the

460
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Speaker 4: doors we need to shut, and he will be the

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Speaker 4: wall of fire around us. But he will also be

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Speaker 4: the glory in our midst And so when we pursue

463
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Speaker 4: the Lord first man, he deals with those symptoms. But

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Speaker 4: if a mama or a dad listening, but especially a woman,

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Speaker 4: if a mama can stay in the word and she

466
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Speaker 4: doesn't have time, she has to have time in this season.

467
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Speaker 4: If a mama can stay in the presence of the Lord,

468
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Speaker 4: leaning into his voice, man, he has so much to

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Speaker 4: say about exactly how to do all the.

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Speaker 3: Things that she cares about. Right now.

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Speaker 4: Prayer is our greatest weapon in this hour, and prayer

472
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Speaker 4: involves two people it involves interpersonal communication is just as

473
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Speaker 4: much about what the Lord says back to us as

474
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Speaker 4: it is what we say to the Lord.

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Speaker 2: I want to lean into prayer because you brought that

476
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Speaker 2: up a couple of times, and obviously God is really

477
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Speaker 2: weighed that heavy on your heart in the season, because

478
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Speaker 2: I know a lot of moms who are out there,

479
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Speaker 2: even in the crowd today, where they have a wayward child,

480
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Speaker 2: something's going on in their life. They're praying fervently for

481
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Speaker 2: their loved ones, but it feels like those prayers maybe

482
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Speaker 2: are going unanswered, or they're not being answered in the

483
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Speaker 2: way in which maybe they're asking specifically for Becky speak

484
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Speaker 2: to the importance of prayer and the power that really

485
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Speaker 2: can be found in the presence of God.

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Speaker 4: I've seen the Lord answer prayers. I am the answer

487
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Speaker 4: to a prayer. My mom kept a journal when she

488
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Speaker 4: was pregnant with me, and one of the first things

489
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Speaker 4: that she has when she found out she was pregnant

490
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Speaker 4: with me, before she knew if I was a boy

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Speaker 4: or a girl, it said, Lord, I pray for the

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Speaker 4: baby that I'm carrying. That they may be an encouragement

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Speaker 4: to parents, especially mothers, in their trials and hard times

494
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Speaker 4: and I'm living that out. That's the ministry that the

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Speaker 4: Lord has called me to.

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Speaker 3: And I think sometimes we put a time stamp on

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Speaker 3: a prayer, and we put an expiration date on a prayer,

498
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Speaker 3: and we think that if the Lord doesn't answer it

499
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Speaker 3: in a certain time, in a certain way. But God

500
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Speaker 3: is outside of time.

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Speaker 4: And I think if you think of your prayers, I

502
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Speaker 4: want to make sure I say this exactly right. If

503
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Speaker 4: we view our prayers as something that's created when we

504
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Speaker 4: pray them, that they're released and they're received in the

505
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Speaker 4: heart of God, then they are eternal. They are eternally

506
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Speaker 4: held by Him. They are heard by Him. They're not

507
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Speaker 4: you know, received and thrown out in spam or junk

508
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Speaker 4: or discarded. That our prayers have weight and value. They

509
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Speaker 4: shape reality, They shape eternity. And so if we can

510
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Speaker 4: tell a mama that it's it's less about a checklist

511
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Speaker 4: of what I've got to ask God for, even though

512
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Speaker 4: do that, ask him for all the things, keep asking,

513
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Speaker 4: keep praying, keep seeking, keep knocking. Jesus says he honors that.

514
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Speaker 4: He honors that. But if you can, if you can

515
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Speaker 4: remember that you are creating in the spirit walls of

516
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Speaker 4: protection around your children, that they might not walk through

517
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Speaker 4: this world safe, but they will be safely held by

518
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Speaker 4: a good God who loves them and promises to never

519
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Speaker 4: leave them. Man, if she can get her arms around

520
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Speaker 4: the idea that her prayers have actual weight and value,

521
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Speaker 4: I think it'll shift her reality of the time she

522
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Speaker 4: feels like she has to pray or not pray.

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Speaker 2: That's what it's all about. I remember one of the

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Speaker 2: lowest moments of my life. I typically find myself in

525
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Speaker 2: the presence of God in nature, so I'm a hunter,

526
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Speaker 2: I'm a fisher, so I love being outside, and this

527
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Speaker 2: time of the year in the fall is amazing. But

528
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Speaker 2: remember I found myself in the woods and I was

529
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Speaker 2: on my knees and I was weeping. I was crying

530
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Speaker 2: out to God and just in prayer, just trying to

531
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Speaker 2: seek his presence more closely. And I asked Him just

532
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Speaker 2: to show up in that moment. I know that he

533
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Speaker 2: was already there, but to reveal himself to me in

534
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Speaker 2: a way I've never felt before.

535
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Speaker 1: I'll never forget.

536
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Speaker 2: It was a super hot day, middle of the summer,

537
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, this breeze, this wind came

538
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Speaker 2: blowing through and this like pile of leaves started flowing

539
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Speaker 2: off of these trees. It almost made like a pillar

540
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Speaker 2: right in front of me, and it was like I

541
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Speaker 2: felt the tangible presence of God. And in that moment,

542
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Speaker 2: what I felt inside of me was imprinted on my

543
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Speaker 2: heart and it was zach in the absence of clarity,

544
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Speaker 2: because in that time of my life, I had a

545
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Speaker 2: lot of questions for a situation that had just happened,

546
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Speaker 2: and I didn't have any of the answers, and it

547
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Speaker 2: was in the absence of clarity, there's an invitation to

548
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Speaker 2: intimacy with me. In other words, Dude, you don't need

549
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Speaker 2: all those answers act because I'm the only answer you're

550
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Speaker 2: looking for. And it was that moment of just spending

551
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Speaker 2: time in prayer and in His presence that transformed the

552
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Speaker 2: trajectory of my life. And it deepened my faith because

553
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Speaker 2: it deepened my trust in Him, which then is a

554
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Speaker 2: byproduct is continue to live a life of obedience to

555
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Speaker 2: Him every day. You know, I'm thinking about obviously spending

556
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Speaker 2: time in prayer, spending time in His presence, but also

557
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Speaker 2: spending time in the presence of others, because I know

558
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of moms out there I'm thinking of

559
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Speaker 2: my wife follows in line. I know she's not my

560
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: mother's direct daughter, but they got a little something in

561
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Speaker 2: common is that their go getters. They're doers, they have

562
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Speaker 2: a lot on the plate. They're kind of tighte a

563
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Speaker 2: and sometimes when you got a lie on the plate,

564
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Speaker 2: you can sacrifice things that really matter. And I know

565
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Speaker 2: a lot of times new parents they begin to sacrifice

566
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Speaker 2: friendships and community and loneliness statistics out there are insane.

567
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Speaker 2: There was a statistic that came out recently that said

568
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Speaker 2: that loneliness is actually detrimental for the physical health as

569
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Speaker 2: much as smoking fifteen cigarettes a day. I believe that

570
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Speaker 2: it's unbelievable to think about speak to just the power

571
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Speaker 2: of people and the power of community.

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Speaker 4: I remember reading a few years ago that I think

573
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Speaker 4: it was the UK that had actually established a position

574
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Speaker 4: of a Minister of Loneliness. And I know I'm not

575
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Speaker 4: saying that right, but the idea was, I believe it

576
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Speaker 4: was during the pandemic, was during twenty twenty, and they

577
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Speaker 4: actually had someone that would watch and make sure that

578
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Speaker 4: people weren't feeling too lonely and that they had community

579
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Speaker 4: and they had connection. And because they recognized the detriment

580
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Speaker 4: to the health of their citizens. And I think our

581
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 4: social media has made this problem for us where we

582
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Speaker 4: have false connection. And I think there's communication theory, and

583
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Speaker 4: the idea is that SIPs are social interpersonal.

584
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Speaker 3: I don't remember what it's called exactly, but.

585
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Speaker 4: The idea is that we have all of these quick

586
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Speaker 4: little zip of interaction and so we feel like we're

587
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Speaker 4: gaining and we feel like we have connection, but we don't.

588
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Speaker 3: We need gulps and SIPs happen through.

589
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Speaker 4: Social media because it's just what we see, it's just

590
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Speaker 4: what we take in. But when we're sitting like this,

591
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Speaker 4: when we're together in the same room, when we're looking

592
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Speaker 4: eye to eye, when we're hearing each other's voice and

593
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Speaker 4: hearing each other's heart, man, it's like we're taking communication

594
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Speaker 4: in from the other person, messaging in gulps. And I

595
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: think we have a whole generation of mothers that are

596
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Speaker 4: artificially connected, that are desperate for a community because the

597
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Speaker 4: burdens haven't changed in our generations. We still have to feed, clothes,

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Speaker 4: rays care for.

599
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Speaker 3: The challenges have shifted, but they're not you know.

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Speaker 4: I like to say that the world isn't any more

601
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Speaker 4: dangerous than it was one hundred years ago, but it's

602
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 4: definitely one hundred times louder, and so we're more aware

603
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Speaker 4: of the dangers.

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Speaker 3: True.

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Speaker 4: But I was just joking with your wife actually a

606
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Speaker 4: second ago, and we were standing there and I said,

607
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Speaker 4: you know, when does my village show up? We still

608
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 4: need a village, But how do I find them? Do

609
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: I have to send an application? Like where are these people?

610
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Speaker 4: And I was speaking about a metaphorical mother out there

611
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Speaker 4: that she feels like she doesn't have anybody, and she

612
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Speaker 4: doesn't know how to find anybody, and so she is

613
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Speaker 4: going online. And I think that's a great starting point,

614
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Speaker 4: but it cannot satisfy or satiate that desire for connection.

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Speaker 3: And I think I.

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Speaker 4: Want to speak into this for a second because I

617
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Speaker 4: think in COVID times in twenty twenty, we were taught

618
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Speaker 4: to fear our neighbor and that the only way to

619
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Speaker 4: keep safe and the only way to care for the

620
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Speaker 4: people you loved was to pick a few, if you

621
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Speaker 4: picked any at all, to pot up, to get close

622
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Speaker 4: to wall people off, to stand further apart, to cover

623
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Speaker 4: your face, to cover your mouth. And I think there

624
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Speaker 4: were behaviors that we learned in that season that we

625
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Speaker 4: haven't really broken as a culture, yet we were so separated,

626
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Speaker 4: so divided, so radically divided beginning in that time, that

627
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Speaker 4: we're living in a spiritually.

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Speaker 3: Can I say this, I feel like we're living in

629
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Speaker 3: a spiritual civil war.

630
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Speaker 4: I feel like that's what's happening, and we're lonely because

631
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: we don't really know where we all stand, and there's

632
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: no way, there's no uniform to let you know where

633
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 4: that person stands on that issue. There's no identifying feature

634
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 4: that says, yeah, they feel like me, they believe like me.

635
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 4: And there are so many polarizing issues in this hour

636
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 4: that there are so many ways to see how we disagree.

637
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: But what I think the Lord is doing right now

638
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: is that he has rallied us behind this forward call,

639
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: and that when we join this movement, we find those

640
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 4: that it's like, oh, you feel like I do, And

641
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 4: people are coming out of the woodwork saying I don't

642
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: want to be alone anymore in what I believe.

643
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Speaker 3: I don't want to shrink back in how I feel.

644
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Speaker 4: I know you started by asking me a question about loneliness,

645
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: but this is all it all has to do it

646
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: you're connected, It's all interconnected. We were taught to be divided,

647
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Speaker 4: and the Lord is answering it by saying, no, I

648
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 4: am calling you all forward to me, and as you

649
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Speaker 4: come to me, you will find all of the others,

650
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Speaker 4: and then we'll go forward together. So a mama in

651
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Speaker 4: her home, that's like, where do I start? I think

652
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 4: you start by start in your neighborhood. You start in

653
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Speaker 4: your school, you start in your church. You look women

654
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Speaker 4: in the eye. You let people come into your brokenness.

655
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Speaker 4: You let people come into your real life. You let

656
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: people come into your mess. You stop trying to let

657
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,479
Speaker 4: it be perfect. You have to convince yourself first that

658
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Speaker 4: it's okay. And you watch what the Lord blesses. We're

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Speaker 4: not meant to do it all, and we're not meant

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Speaker 4: to do it alone. And life is better when we

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Speaker 4: live it together.

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Speaker 2: God has called us to be one right, a spirit

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Speaker 2: of unity. And like you said, we do live in

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Speaker 2: a culture of division, and I think we place more

665
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Speaker 2: of an emphasis on who's right then what's right right.

666
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: We place such an emphasis on my opinion versus your opinion,

667
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Speaker 2: my truth versus your truth. It's a postmodernistic, relativistic culture.

668
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Speaker 2: But we know that there's only one absolute standard of truth.

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Speaker 2: So if we were able to debate and reason and

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Speaker 2: empathize with one another and then be able to take

671
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Speaker 2: it to God's word and filter those thoughts and opinions

672
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Speaker 2: through that, what a beautiful thing we might be able

673
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Speaker 2: to coincide and do, like you said, together because we're

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Speaker 2: stronger that way. There's power in partnership, there's comfort and companionship.

675
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Speaker 2: Can we keep on seeking that spirit of unity for

676
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Speaker 2: such a time as this, Becky you mentioned earlier and

677
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Speaker 2: I got a touch on this ten books in ten years,

678
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Speaker 2: and remind me the most recent when crimea for i'm ang.

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Speaker 1: Is on rest.

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Speaker 4: That's right, healing, rest and dealing, vitation for mamas who

681
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Speaker 4: carries so much to lean into the arms of the

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Speaker 4: one who holds it all.

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Speaker 2: Talk to us just again as it relates to rest.

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Speaker 2: We're kind of nearing the end of our conversation together today.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about a mom out there who's been

686
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Speaker 2: grinding her gears like crazy and she feels exhausted. And

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, in counseling, I have met with a

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Speaker 2: lot of people who describe themselves as being tired or exhausted,

689
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, what might we be able to

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Speaker 2: do to help that A nap would help somebody that's tired.

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Speaker 2: The problem, though, is that it's not really exhaustion, it's

692
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Speaker 2: that they're empty. And when you're empty, you have to

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Speaker 2: be filled. Speak to just this concept of healing rest.

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Speaker 4: I love this idea that women think symptoms. If I

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Speaker 4: took a nap, I eight better food, if I could

696
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Speaker 4: go for a walk, if I could check all the lists.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, your body would feel better.

698
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: Your body would feel better, if you got more sleep,

699
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 4: your body would feel better. If you had a bigger

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Speaker 4: team that could help. Your body would feel better, if

701
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 4: you put better things into it. All those things are true.

702
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 4: But you're exactly right. Women are empty because they've been

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Speaker 4: trying to do it all in their own strength. And

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Speaker 4: the Lord and his kindness to us so tenderly and

705
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Speaker 4: reminds us that his strength is made perfect in our weakness.

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Speaker 4: But also this yoke, the Lord says, come to me,

707
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Speaker 4: for my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

708
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Speaker 4: And it's farm equipment, you know what I mean. Like

709
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Speaker 4: this picture of rest that Jesus offers is a plow.

710
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 3: It's work.

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Speaker 4: But we feel so tired and empty because I think

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Speaker 4: that we're trying to do it all on our own,

713
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 4: and we are just one seconding Jesus, just one second, Jesus,

714
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Speaker 4: just one second Lord. And the Lord makes the load lighter,

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Speaker 4: not by lifting our yoke and putting himself on the

716
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Speaker 4: other side of it. The Lord makes our yoke lighter

717
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 4: by inviting us to step out from the under the

718
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Speaker 4: things that were never ours to carry, never ours to fix,

719
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Speaker 4: never ours to have control over, and step up under his.

720
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Speaker 4: Because when two are yoke together, the stronger sets the pace,

721
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Speaker 4: and the stronger sets the direction, and the stronger cares

722
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Speaker 4: the bigger burden. And Jesus, in his kindness, says, laid

723
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Speaker 4: this down and get up under here, and I will

724
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: set the pace, I'll set the speed, I'll set the direction,

725
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Speaker 4: and we will still work together.

726
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,240
Speaker 3: But how great is it to co.

727
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 4: Labor, to co parent with the creator of the universe, who,

728
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Speaker 4: in his kindness offers us this rest. And so you know,

729
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Speaker 4: we all often think Mary Martha, we should be like

730
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Speaker 4: Mary at the feet of Jesus. But Martha's just trying

731
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Speaker 4: to feed Jesus. Martha's just trying to feed her gifts.

732
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Speaker 4: She's just trying to take care of the people that

733
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Speaker 4: she was called and given this gift to love, And

734
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Speaker 4: so I love that when Martha comes to Jesus, and

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Speaker 4: in this story and scripture find it in Luke. She

736
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Speaker 4: comes to Jesus and she says, Mary's sitting at the

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Speaker 4: feet of Jesus.

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Speaker 3: Martha. I can hear her.

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Speaker 4: I can hear her frustration in this story because I've

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Speaker 4: been her. You know, I've been the same woman who's

741
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Speaker 4: shakes out a trash bag so loud to make sure

742
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 4: that everybody in my house knows that I'm no one

743
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 4: taking out the trash again.

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Speaker 3: And I can hear her.

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00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: And she comes to Jesus and she says, tell her,

746
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 4: she doesn't even ask Jesus, go back and read it.

747
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 4: She doesn't even ask him, she says, tell her to

748
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Speaker 4: get up and help me. And in his kindness, he says,

749
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Speaker 4: dear Martha or Martha, Martha. Mary has chosen the better

750
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Speaker 4: and it won't be taken away from her. Oh, you

751
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 4: surely think this is like a positioning thing. I need

752
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 4: to be more. But if you look at the kind

753
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 4: response of Jesus, it's that this is always available to you.

754
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 4: It will never be taken away from you. And so

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Speaker 4: as we do all of the shaking out of trash

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Speaker 4: bags and do all the hard things, and have to

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00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 4: carry the heavy burdens and go through our day and

758
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Speaker 4: do the life that still has to be lived, we

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00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 4: cannot forget the spiritual things for the things that we

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00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 4: can see with our eyes, for the reality that we're

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Speaker 4: living in front of us. We cannot one second Jesus

762
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 4: our way through our day and expect to not be empty.

763
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Speaker 4: And if I could, if I could have the listener

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Speaker 4: right now, she's listening to the podcast, or her husband's

765
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: listening to the podcast, or a man who someday will

766
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 4: have a wife listening to a podcast needs to listen

767
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 4: to the podcast, and she's saying to herself, how do

768
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Speaker 4: I get there? How do I get back to her feet?

769
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: How do I earn rest? Because that's what it feels like.

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Speaker 4: It feels like I have to earn. It feels like

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00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: I can't rest until it's all done. I feel like

772
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 4: I'll never get done. And the enemy's like, yeah, that's right,

773
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 4: that's where I have you. I have you in a cycle.

774
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 4: I have you going and going and burning the candle

775
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: at both ends. And I hear Jesus just saying, but

776
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: I have I have given you my presence. I have

777
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 4: come into this room, into this moment with you right now,

778
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 4: and you are not alone. She's not alone in this moment,

779
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: and she doesn't have to earn rest because Jesus paid

780
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: for it with his blood, and you can't earn something

781
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: that's already paid for and given as a free gift.

782
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 4: But the enemy wants her to earn it with her actions,

783
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: with her work, with her checklist. But Jesus says, I

784
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 4: have come to give you life and life abundantly, and

785
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 4: he made a way for us to come close and

786
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 4: experience spiritual rest even before we can attain physical rest.

787
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 4: Because I have found doctor Zach that there are times

788
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 4: in my life when my body is running, but I

789
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 4: am so full in the spirit. So if the listener

790
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 4: right now, wherever she is, can just close her eyes

791
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 4: unless she's driving, and keep them open and just experience,

792
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 4: right now, right where she's sitting, the presence of the

793
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 4: Lord around her, telling her that he knows everything that

794
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 4: she's facing, he knows everything she's caring, he knows how

795
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 4: hard it's been, he knows that one thing that she's

796
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 4: been carrying like well, like this close to her he heart,

797
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 4: but he's asking her to extend her hands and to

798
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: pass it to him where it's been safe all along.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: I pray that the peace of God that surpasses all understanding,

801
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: would guard her heart and fill her now, and surround

802
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 4: her and go before her and make a path that

803
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 4: she can follow. I pray that the heavy weight would

804
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: fall away, that the heavy burdens that weren't hers to

805
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 4: carry would just be would be dropped like heavy chains,

806
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 4: that she'd actually hear them dropping. That she'd be set

807
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: free so that she can set others free and walk

808
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: fully in his authority. There's not one day she's been alone.

809
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 4: There's not one day she's been overlooked. There's not one

810
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 4: day his eye hasn't been so focused on her, and

811
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 4: he loves her fully. Thank you, Father, that you see

812
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 4: her right where she is, that you sent the gift

813
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 4: of your son and the gift of your spirit to

814
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: meet her in this moment.

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Speaker 3: There is work for her to do. There are things

816
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: you're calling her to do.

817
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 4: She does have a bold voice that's needed in this

818
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 4: hour to be a revivalist for your kingdom. But Lord,

819
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 4: may it start in her and start in her home

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00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 4: in the name of Jesus, I pray.

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00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: Amen Amen Becky.

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00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: What a powerful ward that was, and a challenge to

823
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: remember that rest is not a goal, it's a byproduct

824
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: of spending time in His presence and really just receiving

825
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 2: the overflow and the abundance that God already has awaiting

826
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: each and every one of us. What a powerful prayer

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Speaker 2: over any woman, or really over any person out there

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Speaker 2: that feels weary and heavy laden. I want to ask

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00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: two follow up questions because I know our audience is

830
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: probably thinking the same thing. Number one is, if they're

831
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: feeling like they want to join the Midnight Mom devotional community,

832
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: where can they go and what does God have on

833
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: the horizon for the community.

834
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Speaker 4: So we're so excited. This is brand new. I haven't

835
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Speaker 4: announced it anywhere.

836
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Speaker 1: Fresh off the press, so.

837
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Speaker 4: We've been secretly behind the scenes building out a whole

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Speaker 4: membership community that's going to have within that.

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Speaker 3: It's just a very small, small entrance fee. That's it.

840
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: But there are courses, and there are community circles, and

841
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 4: there are resources that can be downloaded, and there's podcast episodes.

842
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: It's all in there, and it's supposed to be I

843
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 4: mean we're talking just a few weeks away, so it's

844
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 4: they can go now. They can sign up to figure

845
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 4: to I was gonna say figure it out, but they

846
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 4: can sign up to be notified. Yes when it opens

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Speaker 4: Midnight Momdevotional dot com.

848
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Speaker 2: Midnight Momdevotional dot com. And then where can they go

849
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: to potentially pick up a copy of those ten books

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Speaker 2: that you've written, ma'am.

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00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: So Praying Mama dot com is the name of our

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Speaker 4: online shop.

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00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 3: It has all of our resources.

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Speaker 2: Amazing. I'm going to throw you on the spot here

856
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Speaker 2: for one last question. Whenever I sit down with ministry

857
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Speaker 2: leaders who lead up a lot of people to the

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Speaker 2: foot of the cross, lead a lot of people to

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Speaker 2: the feet of Jesus that do a lot of praying.

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Speaker 2: You do a lot of praying over and with women.

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Speaker 2: I just want to close this way. How can we

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Speaker 2: be praying for you?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Pray that the first love of my heart would

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Speaker 4: remain the first love of my heart, that would always

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Speaker 4: be for the King and his kingdom, and that the

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Speaker 4: Lamb would receive the full reward of his suffering.

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Speaker 3: In my life.

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Speaker 2: I know we will be doing that. I know, my dad,

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Speaker 2: Doctor Tim Clinton, my Mom, Julie, our whole entire family

872
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 2: have such a love and devotion for you. We're grateful

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Speaker 2: that you're here with us at em Or. We're grateful

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Speaker 2: for the future events that you're going to be with

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Speaker 2: us in traveling together. You're a part of our family already,

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Speaker 2: but I like it. I hope so I really we

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Speaker 2: do as well. And I just wanted to thank you again,

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Speaker 2: Becky for your time. Thank you for your wealth of

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Speaker 2: wisdom and knowledge and experience and just imparting that with

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Speaker 2: us today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks doctor Zach.

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Speaker 2: To all of our community, a build different I just

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Speaker 2: wanted to say, hey, thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 2: tuning in. I hope and pray that you were as

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Speaker 2: is the presence of God in this particular moment, and

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Speaker 2: I hope and pray that you would continually lean in

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Speaker 2: and that you would find your rest, that you would

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Speaker 2: find peace, that you would find healing that can only

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Speaker 2: be found through the hope of Jesus. That being said,

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Speaker 2: until next time, go and live a built different life.

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Speaker 1: You love being a part of yours.