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Speaker 2: That's good, well, and welcome to the March or Die

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Speaker 3: Continuing just to speak truth over me, Jeremy.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're speaking it to me that watching you you

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Speaker 1: if we knew who the enemy was, then then we

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Speaker 1: choose the right weapon and we go to war.

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Speaker 3: You know.

436
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Speaker 1: And and what you said is true. I'm I'm a fighter.

437
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Speaker 1: I've been a fighter my entire life. I've I've done

438
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Speaker 1: things that that you know, we were you know, fighting,

439
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Speaker 1: you know, whether that be as a police officer, swat officer,

440
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Speaker 1: or actual professional fighter Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt. You know,

441
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Speaker 1: I've been fighting my whole life.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I don't say that as a boast. I just

444
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Speaker 1: say that the fight is part is easy for me.

445
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Speaker 1: But when you don't know who the enemy is, who

446
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Speaker 1: you're fighting, then it's really difficult to develop a plan

447
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Speaker 1: of action, you know, and to choose the right the

448
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Speaker 1: right weapons to go to war with them. And that's where,

449
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Speaker 1: like you said, and you highlighted so well as the faith,

450
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Speaker 1: the faith component of that is is this is the

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Speaker 1: saving grace of that, you know, faith is it's it's

452
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Speaker 1: not it's not a denial of all of these things

453
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Speaker 1: that we're talking about, you know, it's it's endurance through them.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would, you know, consider

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Speaker 1: even some of the faith that I explain as like

457
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Speaker 1: a blind faith. It's not a blind faith.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I believe in the promise of what the Lord tells me,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I cry out for healing every single day.

461
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Speaker 1: I pray for my for my healing on this earth

462
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Speaker 1: every day. And I'll continue to do that. And as

463
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Speaker 1: you've as you've even shared with me in the past, like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we continue to cry out to the Lord to align

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Speaker 1: our wills with his, you know. But I still trust

466
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Speaker 1: in the promise of redemption, you know. The promise of redemption.

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Speaker 1: We I we live between. I like to say we

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Speaker 1: live in the end between. So what I mean by

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Speaker 1: that is, we live between the promises of heaven and

470
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Speaker 1: promises of hell. We deal with the consequences of that

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Speaker 1: here on earth, and that is hard. Living between the

472
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Speaker 1: promises of heaven and the promises of hell is hard.

473
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Speaker 1: That's where hardship is. Where hope lies is also in

474
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Speaker 1: the in between. We believe we live between the promise

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Speaker 1: of the resurrection and the promise of the return of Christ.

476
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Speaker 1: And so what has already been done and what is

477
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Speaker 1: yet to come, what's already finished the resurrection and the

478
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Speaker 1: gift that we get from eternal salvation by believing in

479
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Speaker 1: the Son of the One True God and in his return,

480
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Speaker 1: Because in that day there's there's no pain, there's no sickness,

481
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Speaker 1: there's no sadness, there's no sorrow, and so living in

482
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Speaker 1: the in between is hard. But also living in the

483
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Speaker 1: in between is what gives us hope, and that in

484
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Speaker 1: itself has helped sustain me.

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Speaker 3: That's good as well. That's good.

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Speaker 2: One of the things that you know, I really appreciated

487
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Speaker 2: in you over the last several months of watching you

488
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Speaker 2: walk through this is you have this this understanding. It's

489
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Speaker 2: intuitive to you that how you live right now and

490
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Speaker 2: how you walk through this is not only about you

491
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Speaker 2: and pleasing God. It's also an example specifically to everyone,

492
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Speaker 2: but specifically to your family, and that this is an

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Speaker 2: opportunity for you to show your family this, this is

494
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Speaker 2: what it looks like to walk through difficult seasons. I

495
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Speaker 2: don't know if you want to talk about that a

496
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Speaker 2: little bit, but yeah, that's been for me. That's been

497
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Speaker 2: really helpful because every time we talk, you talk about

498
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Speaker 2: your family and you talk about you know, what this

499
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Speaker 2: means to them and how this is impacting them, but

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Speaker 2: also the example that this is providing for them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I may get emotional, which is okay.

502
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Speaker 2: Say as much or as little as you want. Something

503
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Speaker 2: that to me has really jumped out. No, the Lord,

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Speaker 2: this is again.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm here, and I don't mean again. I'm

506
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Speaker 1: not trying to sound holier than now. I'm just the

507
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Speaker 1: Lord has put it on my heart to talk about

508
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Speaker 1: this stuff. You know, I have kids, man, young kids,

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Speaker 1: young kids. I have a wife, I have an eight

510
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Speaker 1: year old son, I have a three year old daughter,

511
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Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's hard as a three year

512
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Speaker 1: old little girl, you know, transparently. You know, I don't

513
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Speaker 1: know that she knows so who her daddy is at

514
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Speaker 1: three years old, you know. And then my wife and

515
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Speaker 1: I adopted it at the time a teenager who's now

516
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Speaker 1: twenty three, and she's already had she's she's already had

517
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Speaker 1: an earthly father taken from her, you know, not not

518
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Speaker 1: by some tragedy, but because he was he walked down

519
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Speaker 1: on her, you know.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 1: I could sit here in front of my kids and

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Speaker 1: shake my fist to God and say woe is me,

523
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Speaker 1: and and you know, tell them, you know this is

524
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Speaker 1: not fair.

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Speaker 3: And and.

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Speaker 1: You know I've been a good person, and all these

527
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Speaker 1: things that would do absolutely nothing for them. It would

528
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Speaker 1: do nothing for me, and it would do absolutely nothing

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Speaker 1: for them. What I can, what I can show them,

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Speaker 1: is that God doesn't waste suffering. God does not waste suffering.

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Speaker 1: He redeems it. And so I can set an example

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Speaker 1: for my children on how to walk through suffering in

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Speaker 1: a way that continues to glorify the Lord. And in

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Speaker 1: glorifying the Lord, I get to walk in a strength

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Speaker 1: and perseverance that would I would lack. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: I can say with full honesty that I think this

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Speaker 1: would have killed me already, Jeremy, if I was not

538
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Speaker 1: walking with the Lord, I mean, this would I do.

539
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Speaker 1: I think this would have killed me already.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: There's been times when we were confident that that that

542
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Speaker 1: was going to happen, and the Lord has sustained me.

543
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Speaker 1: And I hear the Lord telling me over and over

544
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Speaker 1: again to continue to fight. And when I hear that,

545
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Speaker 1: I hear him telling me to fight for my wife,

546
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Speaker 1: for my kids, for my community. Because God is not

547
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Speaker 1: a god of inaction. God is a god of action, right,

548
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: you know, and he wants us to take action in life,

549
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Speaker 1: and he wants us to fight. You know, I am

550
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Speaker 1: when I'm talking about having you know, the hope in

551
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: the eternal trust, you know, of the sovereignty of the Lord.

552
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Speaker 1: My spirit is not at rest in accepting death. Right. Yes,

553
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Speaker 1: I have that hope and I believe in that, and

554
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: that brings me strength and courage, But my spirit is

555
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: not at rest. I am not ready to lie over

556
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Speaker 1: and just die. And I think my kids need to

557
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: see that also. They need to see the combination of

558
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: trusting in the Lord, trusting in his sovereignty, but also fighting,

559
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: continuing to fight, and showing up every single day believing

560
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: that the Lord is going to work this for good.

561
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Speaker 1: Whatever that looks like, right, whatever that looks like in

562
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Speaker 1: my story. And I'm praying in front of the entire

563
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: community that watches the show that it is earthly healing

564
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: and that is full restoration, right, I am praying for that.

565
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: But I can show them that our wounds can become

566
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Speaker 1: our biggest testimonies for the Lord's goodness and grace, and

567
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Speaker 1: that I think that for our children. That is one

568
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Speaker 1: of the most powerful things that we can do for

569
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Speaker 1: our kids. Because right now, if I was doing what

570
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: I was kind of highlighting earlier of the you know,

571
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Speaker 1: shaking my fist at God and the woe is me?

572
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Speaker 3: What are my kids going to do? They're going to

573
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Speaker 3: do those same things.

574
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Speaker 1: They're going to encounter hardship in life, no doubt. I

575
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Speaker 1: pray it as nothing to this level, but they're going

576
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: to encounter hardship in life. And the last thing I

577
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Speaker 1: want them to do is to shake their fist at

578
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Speaker 1: Guy or say woe is me, or say this is

579
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Speaker 1: not fair. People get sick, people get sick in life,

580
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Speaker 1: and just because we're Christians, or just because we follow

581
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: the Lord or just because we live a good life

582
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that we're going to be absent from those things.

583
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Speaker 3: If anything, I think it brings those things on, you know,

584
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Speaker 3: not that if.

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Speaker 1: You're going to follow Lord, you're gonna you know, but yeah,

586
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it's you're going to

587
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Speaker 1: encounter hardship, you know, because the enemy is like waiting

588
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: just to just prow on you. And when you start

589
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: to have these doubts and these these you know, shake

590
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: your fist at God. That's what he wants, That's what

591
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: he's wanting you to do. And so man, just I

592
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Speaker 1: think that if I can leave behind for my children

593
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Speaker 1: what it looks like to suffer, well, to show them

594
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Speaker 1: that God doesn't waste suffering, that God is good in

595
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Speaker 1: the midst of suffering, then that is going to be

596
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Speaker 1: one of the greatest gifts that I can get.

597
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Speaker 2: Yeah, our kids, they fall back to what has been

598
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Speaker 2: illustrated for them. It's It's funny because I think kids

599
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Speaker 2: raised in not great situations. We've talked about this before

600
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Speaker 2: or even with your own story, not raised in a

601
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Speaker 2: great situation, can still make good decisions and God can

602
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: still redeem that for sure, But there are like facts statistics.

603
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Speaker 2: This is one that we've talked about before as well,

604
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Speaker 2: even around like suicide, and we've written on this and

605
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: talked about it, and it's it's true that if a

606
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Speaker 2: child's parent takes their life, they're more likely to commit

607
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Speaker 2: suicide than others. If a child's father takes their life,

608
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Speaker 2: they're thirty three percent more likely to take their life

609
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Speaker 2: their own life at some point down the road. Why

610
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: is that Because when they hit some difficulty trial in

611
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Speaker 2: their own life, they fall back to what was illustrated

612
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Speaker 2: or modeled for them. That's the one extreme example. It's

613
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: a true, it's true, but it's an extreme example. But

614
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Speaker 2: I think that's true in so many things in our

615
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Speaker 2: lives we fall back to. You've talked about having a

616
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Speaker 2: mentor in your life when you're in high school, and

617
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: coaches in your life and other people. You know, my

618
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: dad has been that for me for many, many years.

619
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Speaker 2: Where you fall back to this, I don't know what

620
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Speaker 2: to do here, but I know what someone that I

621
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Speaker 2: trusted did in this situation and the decisions they made,

622
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: the direction they went, and so I'm going to do that. Well, man,

623
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: it provides a path forward, And I think as parents

624
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: that should be the goal. We're not going to be

625
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 2: around them forever, So what are we leaving them? Kind

626
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: of this bread crown that they can follow, Yeah, when

627
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 2: we're not here anymore?

628
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was James one two four. I actually have

629
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Speaker 1: a written done account all joy, my brothers. When you

630
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: meet trials of various kinds, you know, it goes on

631
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: to talk about the testing of your faith. Man, how

632
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: weak of a man would I be if if I'm dying?

633
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest, if I'm dying, how weak

634
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Speaker 1: of a man would I be to show my kids

635
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: how to die?

636
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Speaker 2: Not?

637
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean as transparent as I could put it, like,

638
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know I'm dying, and I and

639
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't, And I am not believing that that's the

640
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: path that I have for me, right, But if I were,

641
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: then I want to die. Well, you know, I want

642
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: to leave. I want to leave behind for my children

643
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: an example of what it looks like to continue to

644
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: fight when things are hard, you know, to continue to persevere,

645
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: to continue to step forward every single day even when

646
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: you feel like you can hardly move, you know, to

647
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: just get up and to go and that's that is,

648
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: that's what we're called to do, like you said, as parents,

649
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: and and you know, sadly, I think a lot of

650
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: parents don't do that. And there's a whole host of reasons.

651
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure, right, we sure get into that, but we

652
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: have to do that. We have to do that. And man,

653
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: I have been gifted so much, Jeremy, during this time.

654
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be sitting and praying and uh and

655
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: my son will just come over and he'll just kneel

656
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: and pray with me. I mean, what a gift, dude,

657
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 1: for my for my eight year old son to not

658
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: even be asked by his dad to just run over

659
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: and just kneel next to me and just pray with me.

660
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: Like my gosh.

661
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: You know my daughter, you know, she she just loves me,

662
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: and and she says the sweetest things, you know, because

663
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: you know they're experiencing these things, and she's like, Daddy,

664
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: I want you to feel better, so so good, so bad,

665
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: and you know, and I'm you know, I'm praying like Lord,

666
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: hear the cries of my children, you know, But in

667
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: that I'm also walking out like what it looks like, Yeah,

668
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: to the best of my ability of how to do

669
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: that today, you know, in the midst of suffering. And

670
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: I think that is a gift that we have to

671
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: give our children. And if for no other reason, when

672
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: we're feeling weak and broken down, you know that and

673
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: itself can give me strength.

674
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: I think it's important too to make the point because

675
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: people listening or watching can say, you know, I'm struggling,

676
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: I've got these things going on, and I hear what

677
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 2: Sewn is saying, but I'm not a professional fighter. I

678
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: haven't come from that world, and so I'm not I'm

679
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 2: not built that way, so I can't fight this. And

680
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: maybe even hearing you say, how weak would I be

681
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: if I didn't live this out, well, people may connect

682
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 2: to that and go, well, I am weak and so

683
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: I can't. And I think it's important. It's important to

684
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: call out that weakness is not feeling weak. Weakness isn't

685
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: having doubt, Weakness isn't being afraid. That's that's being human.

686
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: The weakness or kind of the demonstrated weakness is saying

687
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to give in to all of that instead

688
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: of taking the next courageous step. And that's you know,

689
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: we talk about this a lot. Marching all these illustrations

690
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: we use and the language around that. It's not about

691
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: having it all figured out or knowing exactly where you're going,

692
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: or you know, having the courage or the strength to

693
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 2: take the next four steps. It's just saying, look, I'm

694
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: going to get up tomorrow and I'm going to take

695
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: the next step forward. Whatever that looks like. Some days

696
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: it may just look like taking a shower and cleaning

697
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 2: yourself up and figuring the next thing out. But whatever

698
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: that looks like, it's it's not I'm built different or

699
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: something like that. It's just it's acknowledging where you are

700
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: and just being unwilling to accept it. It's saying God's

701
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: got something for me in this, and I'm going to

702
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 2: take the next step. I love that. That that is

703
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: so true, Jeremie. Thank you for highlighting that, Because you're right,

704
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: somebody could easily be like, oh, of course, you're a

705
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: professional fighter. Yeah you're gonna fight like that's easy for you.

706
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 2: And what I'll say is, though I was a professional.

707
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: Fighter, I am very far from that now. I mean,

708
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: in full transparency, I mean doing the dishes is.

709
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: Hard for me.

710
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's hard for me to.

711
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not saying that to be dramatic. I'm

712
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: just saying that, and you know, feel a call to

713
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: be vulnerable right now.

714
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: And so.

715
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: Whatever your level of strength or weakness, it doesn't matter,

716
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, because we're called to keep, you know, moving forward,

717
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: to keep to be strong and courageous, and that strength

718
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: comes from the Lord. It's not my own strength. It's

719
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, if I were relying like I said earlier,

720
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: if I relying on my own strength up to this point,

721
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: I'd be dead already. I mean, I truly believe that.

722
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that I would have made it to

723
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: this point already. And so that is an important thing

724
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: to consider, is that we're just talking about continuing to

725
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: move forward every single day. And you know, we've had

726
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 1: the blessing of sitting down with the Navy Seals on

727
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: the show, and my question to always ask them, which

728
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: has been you know, life giving me to me during

729
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: this time. It's like, you know, you hear about hell

730
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: week and how hard Hell week is, right, and I

731
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: always ask Them'm like, man, you know what's hell week like?

732
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: And how do you make it through it? And every

733
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: single Wannables has said this same thing. I just I

734
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: just knew that if I just focus it on making

735
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: it the next hour, not the next day, yeah, not

736
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: the next two days. How am I going to make

737
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: it to the end of this week? Like, I just

738
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 1: got to make it the next hour. What can I

739
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: do right now? And it's funny you say that, Like

740
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: sometimes Jeremy, I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna get up and

741
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna shower and clean up, and I'm

742
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: gonna shave my head because of my head.

743
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: My face.

744
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: Now the face doesn't get shaved, but I'm gonna shave

745
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: my head. And that's gonna be a step that I

746
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 1: take today. I'm gonna I'm gonna look for opportunities to

747
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: love my wife. I'm gonna look for opportunities to engage

748
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: with my children today, which I try to do that

749
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: every single day. Right, So it's like, whatever that step

750
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: is that you can take, then take that step during

751
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: that time. You know it's at the end of the

752
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: day that strength is actually not about strength. What I

753
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: have kind of come to wrestle with and realize is

754
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: that that strength is actually about surrender. It's about surrendering

755
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: to what the Lord calls me to do. It's about

756
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: surrendering to doing the right thing even when I don't

757
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: feel strong. That is a strength. That taking a step

758
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: forward when I am weak is a form of strength.

759
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: And so again, you know, Lord's power has made perfect

760
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: in our weakness. Well, I know that in my weakness

761
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: if I take one step forward, that's a strength for me.

762
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,959
Speaker 1: I just I just built strength there. And so that's

763
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: what we have to hold on to. And that's one

764
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: of the hardest things, especially with when you're in the

765
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: midst of this level of suffering and you're this is

766
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: what's been really really hard for me, and you know

767
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: you've I've called you over this, Jeremy. It's just like

768
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: wrestling with silence and unanswered prayers, you know, that is

769
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 1: really really difficult. I have some scripture here I want

770
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: to read, so I'm thirteen to one to how long,

771
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: O Lord, will you you forget me forever?

772
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 3: You know?

773
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: So look he's pleading, like, how long a Lord must

774
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: I suffer in this?

775
00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 3: You know?

776
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: But on the other side of that, there's always a

777
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 1: but you, O lords saying me you will never leave me,

778
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, And that's I think it's okay to wrestle

779
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: with both of those things. You know God's silence is

780
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: not absence, even though sometimes it feels like it is,

781
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 1: and that that is hard when you're when you're really, really,

782
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: really in suffering, whether it be pain or severe illness,

783
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: or or uncertainty of the future, whatever the case may be.

784
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes waiting sometimes that that long, deep waiting is is

785
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: where you really reach the depth of your faith.

786
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: Yep.

787
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: And I think, like we talked about earlier, what are

788
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 1: some of the gifts and some of the blessings, that

789
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: that is one of them. I think that that, oh,

790
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 1: as terrible as it is to say, and I hate it,

791
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, waiting has drove me deeper and deeper into

792
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: my faith. And I pray every day Lord like I

793
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: got it, I got it now, like I've learned the lesson,

794
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: Like I feel like you've taught you know, brought me

795
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: to the end of myself and further, let's go now,

796
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: let's go up from here.

797
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: But that waiting, you know, is is is what.

798
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: Drives us into the depth of our faith. And I

799
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: think that silence is not absence. It's preparation for revelation.

800
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: And if we lean into that, if we trust in that,

801
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: then I think that we can we can unlock and

802
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: unhumanly strength that we can that we can find when

803
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: we abide in the Lord. You know, the Cross, the

804
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: biggest moment of silence in history, I mean, Jesus pled

805
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: to the Lord on the Cross, that the biggest moment

806
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: of science silence in history. Birth, the most amazing resurrection

807
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: of all time. And that's hard, yeah, when you're in

808
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: the midst of suffering. But if you but if you

809
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: lean into that, then you can find a strength that

810
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: that is beyond understanding. And so that's been something that

811
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: the Lord has been teaching me during this time as well.

812
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good, that's good.

813
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: We've talked about doing this episode several times. Yeah, I

814
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: think every time we talk, you say I'm gonna come

815
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: in and do an I'm always like that, no, wait, wait, wait,

816
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: wait wait. So finally we said, well, I said, let's

817
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: do it. Let's do it. I'm not gonna wait anymore

818
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 2: because you've been very insistent. And I know that's because

819
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: God has been teaching you some things. And yeah, maybe

820
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: I've been overly cautious, but no, I think you but

821
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: I know that there are you know, we've talked about

822
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 2: a lot of it, but God's really laid some things

823
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 2: on your art. You just you told me, I just

824
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: need to share with people. Yeah, we'll kind of wrap up,

825
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: but yeah, before we go, what are some of those

826
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: things maybe we haven't talked about that you just hate. Listen,

827
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: you've got to know this, You've got to understand this.

828
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: So I think that, man, I forget the quote, So

829
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: you have to forgive me. Somebody will probably correct this

830
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: on YouTube. What you believe about God, we'll shape, We'll

831
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: shape you know, your entire life. And so here's what

832
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: I know, Here's here's here's what I know is that

833
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: God is good. In the midst of this suffering I

834
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: have can counter the goodness of God in more profound

835
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: ways than I have ever in my life of comfort.

836
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: If the Lord, you know, I'm thirty seven, thirty six

837
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 1: years of good health, and I pray that on the

838
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: other side of this right we got fifty years of

839
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: good health. But in those thirty six years, I am

840
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: more confident that the Lord is good now in this

841
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: illness than I ever had been in those thirty six

842
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:23,439
Speaker 1: years of health. So for one, the Lord is good.

843
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

844
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: Two, our scars, our hardships, our struggles produce an intimacy

845
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: with the Lord that can't be found in comfort, like

846
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: I highlighted earlier, and if in those times of trial

847
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: and suffering, if we lean into that, the Lord will

848
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: reveal things to us that will give us life for eternity,

849
00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: however long that life continues right after that. I think

850
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: that when we live in that, when we live in

851
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: that level of endurance, what it teaches to the world,

852
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: to those around us, to the to our children, like

853
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier, is that God is enough, that

854
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: Christ is enough. You know, one of my prayers when

855
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 1: I pray, and and you know my prayers have changed

856
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: over the course of this, you know, dramatically and expressing

857
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: gratitude to him, is you know one of my prayers is, Lord, if.

858
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 3: All you gave me.

859
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: Was thirty six years of good health, then that would

860
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: be enough because the Cross is enough. And so I

861
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: think we have to we have to live in this

862
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: coexistence we like we've talked about several times now, I

863
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: can both plead to the Lord with God, you know,

864
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 1: I can plead to God for healing and still trust

865
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: him fully with my life. I can have both those

866
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: things in my hands, and I if I believe those things,

867
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: then he can still be good no matter what happens

868
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: on the other side of this right. I can cry,

869
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: I can question, I can I can I can doubt,

870
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: but I can still believe through that doubt, through those questions.

871
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: And I think that that those things are what have

872
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: sustained me, you know, believing that God is good, knowing

873
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 1: that I get to have an eternal gift while still

874
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: trusting in His ability to bring me earthly healing. Those

875
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: things have havestained sustained me during this time of suffering,

876
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: and they have been a gift. And I and I pray,

877
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: I pray every single day for the Lord to to

878
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: to close this chapter. You know, he's the main character.

879
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm not the main character. He's got the pen in

880
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: his hand. He's writing the book and I have to

881
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: be patient and wait and endure. But the Lord is

882
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: working through me in a way that I have never

883
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: been worked before. And it's because I believe, because He

884
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: has allowed me to open my heart to receive the

885
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: fullness of Him in the midst of the suffering, as

886
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: opposed to living in the suffering with the closed, hate

887
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: filled heart. I think, honestly, Jeremy, I don't I don't

888
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: think I would have made it this far. And so

889
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: those are some things that have just kind of helped

890
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: me recently.

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00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 3: It's good. Thank you, yeah, man, thank you for having

892
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: me on it.

893
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 2: Well it's your show me Yeah, well yeah, thanks for

894
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 2: letting me come back to Yeah.

895
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 3: No, no, it's been good man.

896
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,919
Speaker 1: And honestly, you know, I think this was the right

897
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: time and and uh you know, probably probably wisdom and

898
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: and not doing it a little bit sooner.

899
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 3: And we'll do it. We'll do another one. Yeah, we'll

900
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: do another one. Uh on on the other side of this,

901
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: and talk about track.

902
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, get back on track, talk about you know, coming

903
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: out of the suffering and and and you know, reflecting

904
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: on that and and that'll be great.

905
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 3: We'll do that and it'll be fun.

906
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 2: I'll look forward to uh you eating again and stuff

907
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: because you're like super fit, and I have this, like

908
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: it's just my opinion. We'll see what happens, but I

909
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: believe that you're gonna just throw it all off. You're

910
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: gonna you'll never exercise again. You're gonna sit on the

911
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: couch and just eat constantly. I'm gonna gain three hundred pounds.

912
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, Honestly, like man, what I tell people all

913
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: the time is like, hey, enjoy food. Uh, because when

914
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: you go, when you go, when you live a life

915
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: where you can't eat, Man, that's that's pretty wild. On Thanksgiving, Yeah,

916
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: Joe for that for me, That's right, That's right. So yeah, man,

917
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll do another one. You know, I'll wrestle

918
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: with the Lord, like, hey, is this going to kill me?

919
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that. You know, I've heard him tell

920
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: me he's gonna He's going to deliver me from this,

921
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I don't know what that deliverance

922
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: looks like. But we're going to keep fighting, and we're

923
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,800
Speaker 1: going to keep enduring, and we're going to keep believing

924
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: that God is good and whatever I can do to

925
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: glorify Him in the process, I'm gonna do because I

926
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: believe that that's what he calls me to do. And

927
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: if I do that, similar to how we talk about

928
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: Mighty Oaks, no matter what happens, I can always be

929
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: on mission. You know, I can always be on mission

930
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: if I continue to glorify the Lord the best way

931
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: that I can honor the people around me, especially the

932
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: best way that I can honor my wife and children.

933
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: It's by glorifying the Lord through the midst of this.

934
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: So'sly and if I want to do anything, I want

935
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: to leave a legacy of honor behind for my family,

936
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: and so I want to honor my wife, I want

937
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: to honor my children. The best way that I can

938
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: do that is to continue to glorify the Lord in

939
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: any condition that I'm in. And that's what I'll do.

940
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: It's great for those of you that are listening. Uh,

941
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 2: if you're not following Sean on I'll say Instagram, I guess, yeah,

942
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: Instagram Active, Yeah, you put regular updates.

943
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, there, jump on their updates.

944
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: Follow Sean on Instagram. I think it's Sean Canard, right,

945
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: Seawan top Gun Canard. Yeah, the nickname of fight nickname,

946
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: so Sean top Gun Canard.

947
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

948
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 2: So you'll find it there and you can get updates.

949
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: Obviously we'll keep you updated here. But just be in

950
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 2: prayer for pray. Please please pray for wisdom, pray for healing. Yes,

951
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 2: and uh, you've had a lot of people who aren't

952
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 2: doctors tell you exactly what's wrong. Yeah, it's been pretty

953
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: So if you haven't any you can share.

954
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we get hundreds and hundreds I mean aparently hundreds

955
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: at this point of opinions. We're not close to them,

956
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: we're open to them. None of them have really led

957
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: to anything. If if I showed you guys the binder

958
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: of medical you know, documentation I have of all the

959
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: tests we've done.

960
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: It would it would probably blow your mind.

961
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: And that's one of the biggest things that people say,

962
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: is like, I've never even heard of somebody being this

963
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: sick this long without finding an answer. There's got to

964
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 1: be an answer out there. We just got to find

965
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: the right doctor. So if you got an opinion, feel

966
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 1: free to share it. You probably won't get a response,

967
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: but that doesn't mean we don't love you and that

968
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: we don't appreciate you.

969
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you all for listening, and again we'll keep

970
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: you updated, but appreciate you. Sean, thanks for having man,

971
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 2: it's great to be here. All right, We'll talk soon

972
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 2: and look forward to us you guys next time.