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Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: I run the largest pro American student organization in the country,

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Speaker 2: fighting for the future of our republic. My call is

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Speaker 2: to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most

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Speaker 2: important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna

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Speaker 2: end up miserable. But if the most important thing is

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Speaker 2: doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody.

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Speaker 2: You got to stop sending your kids to college. You

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Speaker 2: should get married as young as possible and have as

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Speaker 2: many kids as possible. Go start at turning point. You

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Speaker 3: Go start atturning point.

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Speaker 2: Yould say high school chapter. Go find out how your

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Speaker 3: Sign up and become an activist.

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Speaker 2: I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade,

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Speaker 2: most important decision I ever made in my life, and

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Speaker 2: I encourage you to do the same.

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Speaker 1: Here I am.

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Speaker 3: Lord, Use me.

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Speaker 2: Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. So

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Speaker 3: there is lots going on right now there see pack

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Speaker 3: which is happening in Texas.

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Speaker 4: So it's opening day for the Cubs.

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Speaker 3: It's opening day for well, I mean I think it

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Speaker 3: was opening Day Yesterdayeah, but.

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Speaker 4: The Cubs didn't play. Today is the first game for

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Speaker 4: the lub which is and I think they technically call

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Speaker 4: this opening day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, technically today is. But they did a Yankees Giants

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Speaker 3: game last night on Netflix. So yeah, Charlie was a

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Speaker 3: huge Cubs fan. So go Cubbies, and go.

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Speaker 4: Probably be better than the Twins.

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Speaker 3: Go Dodgers's I can't remember. I keep forgetting that you're twins.

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Speaker 4: Everyone forgets about the Twins because they're a very forgettable team,

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Speaker 4: especially now.

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Speaker 3: Kirby Puckett was amazing, Yes he was.

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Speaker 4: Yahillmer was great, and they'll probably never be great again

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Speaker 4: because they have those owners who kind of they treat

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Speaker 4: their baseball teams the way the Democrat Party treats America.

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Speaker 4: This like husk to extra act value from and then

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Speaker 3: I've never seen him give me crazy eyes like that.

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Speaker 3: That was that hit. You had a deep childhood trauma.

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Speaker 4: It's very sad. It's very sad. I'm stuck with this team.

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Speaker 4: That's never gonna win, but the Cubs might win, will

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Speaker 3: You know, everybody's mad at the Dodgers for getting Tucker,

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Speaker 4: We just don't want baseball to go the same way

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Speaker 4: that soccer goes and all those other countries where there's

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Speaker 3: It's good. It's good for baseball to have a villain Blake.

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Speaker 3: It's good makes everybody hate the Dodgers, which makes every

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Speaker 4: It's more fun to hate the Yankees, though.

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Speaker 3: No, you can hate the Yankees and the Dodgers. That's fair,

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Speaker 3: all right. So the big news today is the Pentagon

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Speaker 3: is weighing a what they're calling a Final Blow option

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Speaker 4: Do you think it's gonna be called like Operation Final Blow.

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Speaker 3: I hope not. They can give him some funny names, well,

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Speaker 3: operation Epic Fury. I actually think that's an epic name.

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Speaker 3: I think it's great. So here's the news from Axios.

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Speaker 3: Among the options and so these are including ground operations

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Speaker 3: blockading ki Iranian positions, including carg Island. We've heard a

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Speaker 3: that all of the chess pieces are in place to

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Speaker 4: Yes, and I mean we were thinking about I guess

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Speaker 4: And as you say, it could be two things. It

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Speaker 4: I think we would love to have all of your

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Speaker 4: emails about what you support on this, because, yeah, we're

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Speaker 4: of two minds on this. We're already in the conflict.

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Speaker 4: We do want to we do want to win that

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Speaker 4: conflict since it's begun. But I am thinking always of,

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Speaker 4: you know, the discussions we'd have with Charlie and the

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Speaker 4: now just another step towards. We have a bunch of

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Speaker 4: if it doesn't end the war, the pressure will be well,

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Speaker 4: you could send more troops and escalate more, and then

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Speaker 3: So yeah, well CNN's even reporting on this, so let's

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Speaker 3: get their coverage on it. By the way, you know,

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Speaker 3: CNN was the was famously denying that there was any

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Speaker 3: and say, yes, there were negotiations of a deal going on.

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Speaker 3: Iran has reportedly declined. So here we go, we're building

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Speaker 5: Well, Audie, whatever, the president ultimately decides about a ground

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Speaker 5: operation in Iran. All the pieces are now in the

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Speaker 5: region to carry one out. And it's not just the

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Speaker 5: then all the forces, the air transport, et cetera that

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Speaker 5: that be you've heard the discussion of KRG Island, which

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Speaker 5: is so central to Iran's energy industry, or perhaps along

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Speaker 5: the shores of the Strait of Horror moves to secure

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Speaker 5: the Strait of Horror moves. We don't know, and ultimately

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Speaker 5: it's up to the president.

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Speaker 3: So all the pieces are on the board. Please send

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Speaker 3: us your emails Freedom at Charliekirk dot com, Freedom at

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Speaker 3: Charliekirk dot com. We want to hear what you think.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to be really honest. I hate it.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to see ground troops in Iran. I

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Speaker 3: And it's you know, there's another report that bb Netnyahu

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think we saw they clearly were leaning

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Speaker 4: I think they expected that to happen, and then it didn't.

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Speaker 4: There wasn't a big, strong upsurge.

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Speaker 3: And well, I think you know, I've been calling around

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Speaker 4: Yet it probably isn't. And it's difficult because, I mean,

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Speaker 4: what we could do is we could give the signal

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting idea because I met some Persian folks

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Speaker 3: armed and they're going to get mowed down again. Basically

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Speaker 3: what Trump said, an interesting potential of having you know,

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Speaker 3: in theory. Again, I don't love this job falling to us,

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Speaker 4: We've repeatedly wanted uprisings to sort of efficiently and easily

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Speaker 4: now because they're at war. Wars radicalize people in a country.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the factions within an old country, an ancient

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Speaker 3: even deeper. Before the revolution, there was revelation. George Whitfield

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Speaker 3: wasn't a politician, he was a preacher. And yet watching

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Speaker 3: this film, you see how his fearless proclamation of liberty

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Speaker 3: What really struck me was the portrayal of Benjamin Franklin.

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Speaker 3: He's this brilliant rational mind and yet he's drawn into

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Speaker 3: but because he begins to see freedom isn't structural, it's spiritual.

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Speaker 3: The film makes one thing clear, you cannot sustain political

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Speaker 3: liberty without moral and spiritual awakening. In theaters April third,

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Speaker 3: further ado. So excited have Megan Basham in studio in Phoenix?

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Speaker 6: I know, I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 7: I like, I've done the show so many times, but

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Speaker 7: I've never been here in person, So now I feel

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Speaker 3: We like to keep you.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever been in God's Furnace before?

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Speaker 6: I haven't?

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Speaker 7: And it is actually well, Okay, I grew up in Arizona. Okay,

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Speaker 7: so I thought we were talking about the building like

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Speaker 4: Cool in Oh no, no, that's very cool in here.

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Speaker 3: The building is not U hopefully this is more like

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Speaker 7: No, but yeah, I grew up in Phoenix, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, but you're what you're in Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking of a daily wire. Yeah. Uh so

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Speaker 4: Well, so what it was is it went astonishingly viral.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is not somebody who like immediately was like

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Speaker 7: I would want to emphasize because I think people didn't

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Speaker 6: And I actually communicated with her a little bit.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So we were messaging and I just said, were

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Speaker 3: Well, we have that clip. I think this is what

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Speaker 3: we are getting into this dynamic, this unhealthy imbalance between

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Speaker 3: the sexes. This is a crazy stat Sixty three percent

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Speaker 3: of young men between the ages of eighteen and twenty

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Speaker 3: nine report being single, compared to only thirty four percent

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Speaker 3: of women for the same age. Correct the maths don't math.

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Speaker 3: First of all, So there's somebody's not telling somebody what's

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Speaker 3: really going on here.

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Speaker 6: You're dating older men, or some men are dating multiple women.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's classic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but there is resentment that is building. And

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Speaker 3: again I go back to Gabe st He's our turning point,

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Speaker 3: chapter president of the University of Wyoming. He explained this,

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Speaker 3: you know, he said, it's even amongst conservatives that share

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Speaker 3: sensibly the same value set. What do you make of it?

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Speaker 6: So, you know, a couple of things.

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Speaker 7: One, it was funny that I ended up sort of

477
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Speaker 7: being on the receiving end of some of the hostility

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Speaker 7: over the last couple of days when I came to

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Speaker 7: this woman's defense because I have been very outspoken that

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Speaker 7: I believe the long House is real and it's a

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Speaker 7: real problem. And I'm actually working on a book on

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Speaker 7: this that I'm like, I do believe that we are

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Speaker 7: increasingly living in a guynocracy. You hear that term, which

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Speaker 7: essentially means that it is a female dominated culture.

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Speaker 3: Helen Andrews, very Helen Andrews.

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Speaker 6: And can I tell you I posted.

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Speaker 4: It in the Long House.

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Speaker 7: Right and I have gone, you know, to the mattresses

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Speaker 7: fighting some of these you know, evangelical influencers who have

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Speaker 7: denied that the long House is real.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it is absolutely real.

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Speaker 4: It's the idea in ancient times everyone lived in a

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Speaker 4: big long house and you could get bossed around by

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Speaker 4: women we would nague basically. And so that's the online term,

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Speaker 4: just explaining for all of our boomer viewers.

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Speaker 7: But but so at the same time, I watched this

497
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Speaker 7: very bitter, angry reaction from so many young men over

498
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Speaker 7: the last forty eight hours to this post and one

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Speaker 7: I think they are projecting all kinds of things onto

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Speaker 7: this couple, and in particular this woman that I'm like,

501
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Speaker 7: you don't know her background, you don't understand, and you're

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Speaker 7: assuming that she is like sort of any cam girl

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Speaker 7: who is just you know, on a dime, said now

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Speaker 7: I'm a Christian and so now by my new merch,

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Speaker 7: that's you know, Christian branded merch.

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Speaker 6: This is not this woman. But I think a lot

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Speaker 6: of that bitterness.

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Speaker 7: As we said, sixty three percent of young men say

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Speaker 7: they're single, only thirty four percent of young women say

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Speaker 7: they're single.

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Speaker 6: That's creating bitterness.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Gabe is saying that a lot of

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Speaker 3: young men are just opting out.

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Speaker 7: Right and like they there are stats showing that roughly

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Speaker 7: half of young men have not dated in the last year.

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Speaker 7: So you have a lot of young men who are

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Speaker 7: just simply not romantically involved with anyone. They're not pursuing women.

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Speaker 7: And so I understand, and I don't want to use

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Speaker 7: that term in self because I understand that that's offensive.

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Speaker 3: But a lot of them are probably a lot of

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Speaker 3: them are probably either wasting away like on Twitch and

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Speaker 3: video games and porn. And I mean, honestly, it's a

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Speaker 3: bad it's not a good ending to this story.

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Speaker 7: And that's what I want to come at, is that

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Speaker 7: there's so much fault on both sides. I understand that,

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Speaker 7: but when we look at these things and we talk

527
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Speaker 7: about these things, we have to be able to talk

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Speaker 7: about them. We have to talk about the real reality

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Speaker 7: of young men being isolated, not pursuing women, not dating.

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Speaker 6: It's a statistical reality.

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Speaker 7: It is not meant to disparage anyone or to insult anyone.

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Speaker 7: It's just to acknowledge what's happening here and that it

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Speaker 7: would very understandably engender feelings of anger and resentment. But

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Speaker 7: the thing to do is not you know, projected all

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Speaker 7: over this girl who has been saved and you know,

536
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Speaker 7: was saved ten years ago.

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Speaker 6: And the other thing.

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Speaker 7: I think there is a false perception by young men

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Speaker 7: because of this, that young women are more promiscuous than

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Speaker 7: they used to be. Statistically, that's not true. They're actually we.

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Speaker 4: Have a sex or statistic across the board. Everyone is

542
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Speaker 4: they stay inside, they don't. They have fewer friends, they

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Speaker 4: go to fewer events. Everyone's just sort of seceding from society.

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Speaker 6: So, but men are doing so more than women.

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Speaker 4: Probably men have an easier time doing it, I'll be

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Speaker 4: frank like men have an easier time being solitary. They are.

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Speaker 4: They find things like as you said, like video games,

548
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Speaker 4: internet stuff, they find that all more appealing. They're less

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Speaker 4: socially oriented. And so I think a big answer is

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Speaker 4: like they actually do just have an easier time getting

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Speaker 4: by alone.

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Speaker 3: I want to mention. I want to bring up this

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Speaker 3: Nala Ray thing because I remember Charlie had Nala on

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Speaker 3: the podcast, and you know, everybody's like, you know, you

555
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Speaker 3: shouldn't be lifting her up as some like influencer, some leader,

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Speaker 3: And that was not the spirit of why he had

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Speaker 3: Nala on. He had her on to war young women

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Speaker 3: away from OnlyFans, right, And I thought that was admirable

559
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Speaker 3: because actually our disposition is much more sympathetic to you know,

560
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Speaker 3: the Prodigal Sun's story, the bringing in, Like we believe

561
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Speaker 3: that change is real. If you don't, then you're not

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Speaker 3: a Christian. Like you can be born again, the old

563
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Speaker 3: is gone, the new has come. You can be clothed

564
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Speaker 3: in christ you can be clothed in redemption. If that's

565
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Speaker 3: not true, then what are we even doing here? And

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Speaker 3: I understand that you don't want to lift those people

567
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Speaker 3: up too soon, you know, be careful who you lay

568
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Speaker 3: hands on. I get that, but that's that was not

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Speaker 3: why we had Nala on, Because Nala was was warning

570
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Speaker 3: against this really coercive addiction riddled sort of lifestyle where

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Speaker 3: you're an online prostitute. I mean, that's what you are,

572
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Speaker 3: and I thought that was fine. I don't know Nana's heart.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what her ultimate motives were. If she

574
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Speaker 3: was just sort of taking the influencer world and transposing

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Speaker 3: it onto a Christian setting, I don't know, but I

576
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Speaker 3: think it's important to warn people about this. But you

577
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Speaker 3: what's your time. I'm just curious, like what your take

578
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Speaker 3: is on the Nalay thing, because we that was a

579
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Speaker 3: huge blow up for us.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, part of what I think we

581
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Speaker 7: don't talk about with that is that there's this perception

582
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Speaker 7: that all of these young women just go, I want

583
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Speaker 7: to get on a webcam and make lots of money.

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Speaker 7: Two problems with that. One that's not I've talked to

585
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Speaker 7: people in that world, and that's not typically how it

586
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Speaker 7: goes down. How it goes down is there are a

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Speaker 7: lot of only fans agencies now that deceptively recruit these

588
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Speaker 7: young women. So they scout on Instagram and they will

589
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Speaker 7: look for girls who are maybe and girls, you know,

590
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Speaker 7: sixteen seventeen can be very dumb, and they will post

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Speaker 7: bikini pictures and things, and there are only fans agents

592
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Speaker 7: who go trolling and they find those girls and they

593
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Speaker 7: start to build a relationship with them. And what they

594
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Speaker 7: want is so the second they turn eighteen, they can

595
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Speaker 7: then transfer them to OnlyFans and take a big cut

596
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Speaker 7: of their earnings. So that's one. So people don't know

597
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Speaker 7: that you actually have only Fans agencies praying on stupid

598
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Speaker 7: teenage girls.

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Speaker 3: The founder just died, yeah, of cancer at forty three. Noteworthy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I you know, I'll like God to say

601
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Speaker 7: subscribe to his Yeah. When I saw that was what

602
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Speaker 7: is it profit a man to gain the world and

603
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Speaker 7: lose his soul?

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Speaker 3: Lose his soul, I wouldn't want to be on the

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to see his welcoming committee. That's all. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And the other point of this is that there's this

607
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Speaker 7: perception that all of these women on Only Fans are

608
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Speaker 7: making tons.

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Speaker 4: Of money, and the vast majority don't.

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Speaker 7: They make about the average is about a thousand dollars,

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Speaker 7: like a month. I don't think it's a month, No,

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Speaker 7: I think it's like ever. Yeah, Like they'll go on,

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Speaker 7: they'll make a little bit of money and then they

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Speaker 7: get off.

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Speaker 4: I mean not that it's really that much better if

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Speaker 4: you make a lot of money, but it is like

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Speaker 4: it's something insult exceptionally evil about something that leaves an

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Speaker 4: indelible mark on like, well, I don't want to say indelible.

619
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Speaker 4: Jesus can clear a lot, but it's like it leaves

620
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Speaker 4: that huge damage on your soul, on your on your personality,

621
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Speaker 4: on your ability to live a normal life ever after.

622
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Speaker 4: And yeah, and you get nothing for it. Just choose

623
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Speaker 4: and spits people up, right.

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Speaker 7: And so I think there is this perception that these

625
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Speaker 7: women are profiting and no one's holding them accountable and

626
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Speaker 7: they're getting away with it. And you know a couple

627
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Speaker 7: things to say about that one. Ultimately, in light of eternity,

628
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Speaker 7: nobody's going to get away with anything. The person who

629
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Speaker 7: can read our hearts perfectly is going to know whether

630
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Speaker 7: or not you were truly repentant. So you want to

631
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Speaker 7: encourage these young Christian men. Hey, nobody's going to pull

632
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Speaker 7: the wool over God's eyes. You know, there will be

633
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Speaker 7: accountability eventually. But in the meantime, instead of attacking this

634
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Speaker 7: individual woman, we need to talk about you know, why

635
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Speaker 7: we got to this place that young men and young

636
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Speaker 7: women are not finding each other and finding relationships.

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Speaker 4: So I wanted to ask, just so we are, as

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Speaker 4: you said, we have the problem that young people are

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Speaker 4: splitting apart. Another debate that was going on in the

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Speaker 4: last few days there was a woman who on I

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Speaker 4: believe a woman on X who basically said it's not

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Speaker 4: appropriate to ask people to date, like in a church setting.

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Speaker 4: That's not what women are that I saw you definitely

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Speaker 4: disagree with. But more generally, I guess, what should the

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Speaker 4: approach of churches or just conservative movement stuff generally be

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Speaker 4: towards this crisis, because it will destroy human civilizations, right.

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Speaker 7: And so up to now, I think the church has

648
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Speaker 7: now realized they've handled it abominably.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I can show you.

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Speaker 7: Just a couple of years ago, you have essays at

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Speaker 7: like the Gospel Coalition in places like that saying we

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Speaker 7: have to stop making marriage and idle, we have to

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Speaker 7: not make family and idle. And it's very much that

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Speaker 7: proverbial CS Lewis quote about you have these guys running

655
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Speaker 7: around with fire extinguishers.

656
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Speaker 6: To put out floods. That's essentially what they're doing.

657
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Speaker 7: Because you're like, we we have a massive problem of

658
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Speaker 7: a crashing birth rate, a crashing marriage rate, and in

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Speaker 7: the meantime, the church has been telling us don't idolize

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Speaker 7: marriage and.

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Speaker 6: Family, and I'm like, I don't think that's our problem

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Speaker 6: right now.

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Speaker 7: So you know, that's first is that we actually have

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Speaker 7: to acknowledge that it is very important civilizationally that we

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Speaker 7: form families, and that is scriptural. You know, it's biblical

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Speaker 7: that we recognize the building block of mother, father, children.

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Speaker 7: So you know, that's the first part. The second part

668
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Speaker 7: is the messaging absolutely needs to be no, you should

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Speaker 7: be looking for your spouse at church. Where better to

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Speaker 7: look for your spouse? And you know that Also, I

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Speaker 7: would say we also need to have an education of

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Speaker 7: young women in how to be gracious in saying no,

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Speaker 7: thank you, so that if a young man asks one

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Speaker 7: woman out and she's not that interested at church, if

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Speaker 7: he then you know, a few weeks later, a couple

676
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Speaker 7: months later, asks out her friend that first girl should

677
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Speaker 7: not go and say, oh, he's so creepy.

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Speaker 6: He asked me out too.

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Speaker 7: I mean, that's the kind of thing, that's the kind

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Speaker 7: of mean girl thing that I hear a lot about anecdotally,

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Speaker 7: and I think that's real.

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Speaker 4: I have, well, did you well, I was just thinking

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Speaker 4: it's really I thought a bit about how so much

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Speaker 4: of the system has broken down over time as marriage

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Speaker 4: rates have declined, as like courtship periods have extended. Because

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Speaker 4: I remember another thing that when viral a few months ago,

687
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Speaker 4: was just talking about people dating back in like the

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Speaker 4: forties and fifties, and like, oh, these people are dating

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Speaker 4: four or five people at a time. Well, yeah, because

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Speaker 4: they actually are just going on dates with them. They're

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Speaker 4: not having these extends relationships. I think about steady go

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Speaker 4: in a thing exactly, and as it was like the

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Speaker 4: defining the relationship moment I want to go study with you,

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Speaker 4: and then it was usually a brief thing. I think about.

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Speaker 4: One thing I wonder about is is there damage that's done?

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Speaker 4: For example, just it seems much more than norm even

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Speaker 4: in Christian communities to just be in a unmarried, unengaged

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Speaker 4: relationship for one year, two year, three years, then you

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Speaker 4: get engaged for a year and a half and then

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Speaker 4: you actually pull the trigger. And it's just no one

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Speaker 4: was doing that back when we actually had thriving families

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Speaker 4: and the two percent divorce rate.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and you know, I haven't looked deeply into this story,

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Speaker 7: but one of the other interesting developments a couple of

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Speaker 7: weeks ago, was Pastor Josh Howerton like challenging these shacking

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Speaker 7: up or you know, let's say, promiscuous couples who are

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Speaker 7: having sex and not married. He directly said, you're in

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Speaker 7: sin and you need to get this right. So, you know,

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Speaker 7: here's how we do this. Let's get married. Let's have

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Speaker 7: a big I'm gonna let you guys know in a

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Speaker 7: couple of weeks a month, I can't remember.

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Speaker 3: How when they all got married, we're going to be that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they had a huge multi marriage, multi marriage ceremony

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Speaker 7: or a.

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Speaker 3: Whole bunch of people ligamy one to one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, living together or having sex marriage. You got to

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Speaker 6: correct that.

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Speaker 3: It was great. I'm all for it. By the way,

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Speaker 3: I think we make way too much a marriage. It

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Speaker 3: costs way too much. It's too much hurdle. Just go

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Speaker 3: like have a pot luck, put on a dress, wear

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Speaker 3: a suit.

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Speaker 4: One of the most successful families I know is a

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Speaker 4: guy he's about my age, and he got married at

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Speaker 4: the Jefferson Memorial. It cost him about like four hundred

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Speaker 4: and then he had a dinner with his friends in

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Speaker 4: the common area of their apartment building. It costs them

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Speaker 4: about four hundred dollars, they own a house, they have

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Speaker 4: four kids, they live in DC.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree. And everybody wants to like one up

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Speaker 3: the other people and have their wedding be more beautiful.

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Speaker 3: I think there's beauty in the way they used to

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Speaker 3: do it in like the seventies and eighties. I see,

734
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Speaker 3: like my my parents, their wedding was like in the

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Speaker 3: backyard of my grandma's house and it was just simple. Anyways,

736
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Speaker 3: last question here, and then we got to do the

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Speaker 3: hot swap with Molly and Sean the so Matt Waller,

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Speaker 3: she has come out and said, my biggest issue with

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Speaker 3: this is that, like we need to stop celebrating our

740
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Speaker 3: formerly sinful ways because you're giving this permission structure to

741
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Speaker 3: your kids right to then go, oh, they survived, It's

742
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Speaker 3: gonna be fine. I actually totally agree with that. At

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Speaker 3: a pastor that said, I want less impressive testimonies. I

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Speaker 3: want a bunch of like I was born, I met Jesus,

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Speaker 3: I served Jesus, I lived well and righteously got married,

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Speaker 3: had kids, had those kids. You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Right Like in church's Evangelical churches are the worst of this.

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Speaker 3: They're like I was a drug dealer for the cartel,

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Speaker 3: and then I was shooting up Heroin and then Jesus

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Speaker 3: came to me, and it's like, Okay, that's that's great,

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Speaker 3: but like like hopefully we have boring testimonies, right, And

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Speaker 3: I agree, there's.

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Speaker 7: Two things there. One we need to celebrate boring testimonies.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 7: In fact, I once heard this woman give this great

756
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Speaker 7: testimony where she said I was saved from heroin, I

757
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Speaker 7: was saved from prostitution. I was saying, and she did

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Speaker 7: this whole list, no, no, no. Then at the end she goes,

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Speaker 7: I was saved by all that because I became a

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Speaker 7: Christian as a child and I never did any of

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Speaker 7: those things.

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Speaker 6: Aren't saved me from doing any of that. I never

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Speaker 6: had to experience any of it. And I thought that

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Speaker 6: was a great test.

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Speaker 3: So do you share? Do you share your formally sinful

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Speaker 3: ways with your kids?

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Speaker 7: Is the question I do judiciously because I do think

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Speaker 7: you know, Okay, I am someone with a somewhat colorful testimony.

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Speaker 3: You're breaking all the rules I just laid out.

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Speaker 7: I know, I'm sorry, but but it is a question

771
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Speaker 7: of wisdom. I think you know, are you glorifying.

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Speaker 6: Your sin for your kids?

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Speaker 7: Are you a little bit like going that was such

774
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Speaker 7: a good time, But yeah, I totally regret it.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going to do that again.

776
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Speaker 7: Or are you saying like I'm not going to, you know,

777
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Speaker 7: delve into juicy details and specifics. But here's some poor

778
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Speaker 7: choices I made in my youth generally, and here is

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Speaker 7: what it cost me, and and be real and honest

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Speaker 7: about the cost.

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Speaker 6: So you know, those are two different pieces.

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Speaker 7: Because look, I mean when we look at Paul and

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Speaker 7: like acts, he's he's pretty out there about here's you know,

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Speaker 7: I was chasing questions to perse killing them. Yeah, I

785
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Speaker 7: was chasing them to foreign cities.

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Speaker 6: He's not really shy and retiring about what he was doing.

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Speaker 3: He's not talking about his heroin usage and his promise.

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Speaker 6: Cute, but is that worse? I mean he was trying

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Speaker 6: to murder Christian.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, I think you said it really well

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Speaker 3: and it's a good place to wrap it. Meghan Basham,

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Speaker 3: you rock. We love having you in studio, and that's so.

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Speaker 6: Good to be here. I've never been in studio on this.

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Speaker 3: Sean Davis and Molly Hemingway of the Federalist of Publication.

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Speaker 3: I check every day, and you guys have an event

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Speaker 3: here in town, and so we get the present the

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Speaker 3: glory of your presence, which not to be you know,

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Speaker 3: related to Jesus, because you're not Jesus, but you're pretty great.

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Speaker 3: You're pretty great. Thank you guys for coming.

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Speaker 9: It's wonderful to be here with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the second time we've had you, so so.

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Speaker 4: Said the ready to talk about everything literally literally. So

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Speaker 4: what do you guys think of the new Lord of

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Speaker 4: the Rings movie that they're gonna make?

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Speaker 10: Why?

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Speaker 3: Why?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm very traumatized.

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Speaker 4: They're gonna Stephen Colbert write a Lord of the Rings

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Speaker 4: movie about Sam's daughter. It's we'll talk about.

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Speaker 10: It today, And even in the trailer for or in

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Speaker 10: the announcement of it, they were getting basic facts wrong

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Speaker 10: about it, which did not inspire trust.

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Speaker 1: They claim, I hope not. They claimed that, uh, Frodo died. No,

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Speaker 1: he didn't.

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Speaker 4: Actually doesn't he die?

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Speaker 1: I think no, he just goes to the undying lands

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Speaker 1: with the elves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but like I think the implication is he still

844
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Speaker 4: dies there. Like, he doesn't become immortal. He doesn't reject

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Speaker 4: you know, baitars.

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Speaker 1: I don't anything. If Tolkien said doesn't say he's dead,

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Speaker 1: he's not dead.

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Speaker 3: So you say Tolkien Tolkien, Yeah, I say Tolkien tolkaien

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Speaker 3: either way.

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Speaker 10: Anyway, I just wanted there's also an issue with Stephen

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Speaker 10: Colbert there. Stephen Colbert is, you know, someone who has

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Speaker 10: been funny in his past but is not has lost

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Speaker 10: his show because of his hyperpartisanship. He just runs a

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Speaker 10: Democrat pack at night, and he lost his show, and

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Speaker 10: yet now he gets to write something of the rings

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Speaker 10: like that. It just really speaks to the power that

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Speaker 10: the left has over many instance.

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Speaker 3: It also speaks to just how absolutely awful late night

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Speaker 3: has or Hollywood has become, that they're they're using a

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Speaker 3: washed up late night host who like, there's got to

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Speaker 3: be better options than Stephen Colbert is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: A few hundred He's not even like really a writer.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he wrote I'm sure he's written bits, but

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Speaker 1: the idea that he's going to magically write a screenplay

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Speaker 1: on one of the most celebrated works of fiction in

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Speaker 1: all of history is it's absurd.

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Speaker 3: Now I have to get this, uh, this Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 3: clip because you guys have now inspired it with Stephen

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Speaker 3: Colbert where he's attacking Mark Wayne Mullin for being a

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Speaker 3: plumber and IM and Mike Lee called him an elitist bastard,

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Speaker 3: and I thought that was wonderful, And I think you

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Speaker 3: could use even more colorful language. Michael is a Mormon,

873
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Speaker 3: He's that's about his far. That's pretty strong for Mike Lee,

874
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Speaker 3: but I completely agree. Jimmy Kimmel, remind you, is the

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Speaker 3: guy that almost lost his show, should have lost his

876
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Speaker 3: show when he tried to blame charlie'ssassination on MAGA, and

877
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Speaker 3: so I went after him and it was like this

878
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Speaker 3: Collette versus Kimmel thing like for like three days, and

879
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Speaker 3: and I I just can't stand the guy. There's something

880
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Speaker 3: about Jimmy Kimmel that makes my skin crawl. I think

881
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Speaker 3: he's a rudderless, moral less, absolute, disgusting, vile creature.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's what I don't get about him attacking Mullen.

883
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Speaker 1: Jimmy Kimmel got his start in media with Adam Carolla.

884
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Speaker 1: He has Adam Krolla to thank for being a big name.

885
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Speaker 1: Adam Krolla was like a carpenter and a general contractor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: It's like so one of his that I should yeah

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Speaker 1: in the break like he's one of he's one of

889
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Speaker 1: Kimmel's best friends. The reason anyone cares about him because

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Speaker 1: Corolla is clearly the funnier one of the two who

891
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Speaker 1: still to this day, like I think does construction stuff

892
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Speaker 1: for fun? And then you're mocking a tradesman. I just

893
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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't get it.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's a disgusting pile of garbage. Why there's nothing

895
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Speaker 3: to get And then and then he had the gall

896
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Speaker 3: to claim he was a victim of The.

897
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Speaker 10: Big crime there with him is that he's just never funny.

898
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Speaker 10: It's any cries, mean and angry again, and then cries

899
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Speaker 10: and when he he you know people, he likes to

900
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Speaker 10: play this victim. He was sharing made up information for

901
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Speaker 10: political gain. He was lying for political gain, which is

902
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Speaker 10: why he suffered for what he was saying.

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Speaker 3: There and think about what the message is sent. It's

904
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Speaker 3: a you can go shoot a conservative and the entire

905
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Speaker 3: liberal media apparatus is going to rally to your defense

906
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Speaker 3: and whitewash it and make it go away. That is

907
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Speaker 3: a green light for other people to do it.

908
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Speaker 10: As well, and blame some of the primary victims. Yes,

909
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Speaker 10: which is just disgusting, reprehensible stuff. But I just in general,

910
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Speaker 10: the Democrat Party, of which Jimmy Kimmel is a major player,

911
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Speaker 10: they they are what is it like, forty points underwater

912
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Speaker 10: with men right now? No normal man feels good about

913
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Speaker 10: the Democrat Party. And then they're going out there and saying,

914
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Speaker 10: if you are a plumber or a carpenter, you're reprehensible.

915
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Speaker 10: You know, you have no business having any say in

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Speaker 10: the running of our country. And you wonder why they

917
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Speaker 10: have these problems.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's go ahead and play the clip. Then, just

919
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Speaker 3: since we brought it up, it's not twenty six bo Warrie.

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Speaker 11: Trumb's got a whole new generation of thinkers lined up,

921
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Speaker 11: including his newly confirmed Secretary of Homeland Security, Mark Wayne Chuck,

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Speaker 11: Mike Bruce, Dave Mullen.

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Speaker 3: Maybe Melon's better.

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Speaker 11: He is the now former Senator of Oklahoma. Before he

925
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Speaker 11: was elected to the Senate, Mark Wayne Mullen was a

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Speaker 11: low level MMA.

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Speaker 3: Fighter and a plumber.

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Speaker 11: That's right, we have a plumber protecting us from terrorism.

929
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Speaker 3: Now I work for Super Mario. Why not Mark Wayne?

930
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Speaker 4: It's I'm reading he owned eat separate businesses.

931
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Speaker 3: Multimillion dollar business. It was a six man crew that

932
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Speaker 3: he took over from his dad and he turned it

933
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Speaker 3: into this enormous company.

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Speaker 1: What is a clown? Jimmy Kimmel is a clown? What

935
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Speaker 1: is a clown doing like a literal court jester for

936
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Speaker 1: the regime? What is he doing mocking someone else's occupational choice? Also,

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Speaker 1: if we're gonna make jokes about Mark wwain Mullen, he

938
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Speaker 1: sounds like I don't know a receiver for Florida with

939
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Speaker 1: a cue in his name. Maybe maybe there's an apostrophe

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Speaker 1: in there, Like there's your obvious joke, Mark Qwain. But no,

941
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Speaker 1: you're gonna make fun of him for being a plumber,

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Speaker 1: Mark Quain.

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Speaker 10: I do want to say that this speaking of him

944
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Speaker 10: being a former Oklahoma senator does remind me of a

945
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Speaker 10: big pet peeve I have with the Republican Party, which

946
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Speaker 10: is in a state like Maine, where a Republican has

947
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Speaker 10: no shot of winning, you get someone like Susan Collins,

948
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Speaker 10: who's actually remarkably great for the state of Maine. Her

949
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Speaker 10: In a state like Oklahoma, which bleeds red, you get

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Speaker 10: these really limb Lankford disappointing senators who in no way

951
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Speaker 10: are doing what they You know, you can tolerate a

952
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Speaker 10: Susan Collins if you have someone who's actually worthy, you know,

953
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Speaker 10: in Oklahoma, to push to push the agenda in ways

954
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Speaker 10: that that they can do because they're so safe. And

955
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Speaker 10: I do not feel great about the current senators out of.

956
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Speaker 1: Oklahom Oklahoma gave us Tom Coburn. How is it that

957
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Speaker 1: the redest state in the country. I don't think a

958
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Speaker 1: single county in Oklahoma has voted for a damn in

959
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Speaker 1: multiple elections. Why are they giving us squishy?

960
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Speaker 3: Well, this is my problem. This is my problem with Texas.

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Speaker 3: That even Cornyn's on the on the table to be

962
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Speaker 3: endorsed is beyond me. I mean, Texas should absolutely have

963
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Speaker 3: some of our best senators, right and and that's why

964
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Speaker 3: we've I mean we've endorsed packs and I've had them

965
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Speaker 3: on the show. I thought that was a brilliant movies

966
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Speaker 3: that I'd drop out if Cornyan if they you know,

967
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Speaker 3: pass the Save Act, that they make a deal to

968
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Speaker 3: get it done, Save America Act. I thought that was

969
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Speaker 3: a smart chess move, and Trump's kind of taking a

970
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Speaker 3: step back. I think he kind of read the tea

971
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Speaker 3: leaves read the room a little bit, and we'll see

972
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Speaker 3: how that plays out.

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Speaker 10: But there was a huge information operation right after that primary.

974
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Speaker 10: Cornyn should have, with the amount of money he spent,

975
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Speaker 10: with his name recognition, with being an incumbent, he should

976
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Speaker 10: have cleaned up in that primary, and he did not.

977
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Speaker 10: You know, he went to a runoff, and there was

978
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Speaker 10: this info op in DC to say, oh, he won,

979
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Speaker 10: you know, because he had more than all of the

980
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Speaker 10: other contenders.

981
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Speaker 9: He performed so horribly.

982
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Speaker 10: And you're seeing now that Trump is not does not

983
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Speaker 10: seem like inclined to endorse him, given the guy's.

984
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Speaker 3: Been a backstabber. I mean, in this you gotta get

985
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Speaker 3: these guys out. I mean, listen, if you can get

986
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Speaker 3: Lindsey Graham out in South Carolina, if you can get

987
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Speaker 3: if you can get Nate Morris and Kentucky, if you

988
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 3: can get a Paxton in Texas already, that's a that

989
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 3: would be a huge upgrade in multiple places. The ones

990
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: that frustrate me are like, Okay, we got rid of

991
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: Romney in Utah and we got replaced with Curtis.

992
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 9: How do you perform more poorly than Romney? Jesus.

993
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: I really want folks to understand this. Just a quick

994
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Speaker 3: shout out to you guys, and I know Charlie appreciated

995
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Speaker 3: it as well, because we set it privately a bunch

996
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: as we're building the show and thinking through our show flow.

997
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 3: You know, you can't measure the impact of the work

998
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 3: that you guys do just on how many page visits

999
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 3: you get. And I hope people understand that because it

1000
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: would be shows like ours and when Charlie was here

1001
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: where you guys formed so much of the intellectual groundwork

1002
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Speaker 3: and foundational thought work that went into then doing it

1003
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 3: on the show and the podcast, and then millions more

1004
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Speaker 3: would see it. And so I just you know, you

1005
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 3: guys do really really important work, and we just totally

1006
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Speaker 3: respect you guys, and you've been doing it for so

1007
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Speaker 3: long and doing it the right way, and I hope

1008
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 3: people really understand that about you guys.

1009
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Speaker 9: I really appreciate that.

1010
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 10: And Sean and I were talking actually just this morning

1011
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 10: about the important difference between mere punditry and actual investigative reporting.

1012
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 10: Anyone can give their opinion about anything if you actually

1013
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 10: want to change the situation on the ground, knowing the facts,

1014
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 10: being able to put them together in a sensible way,

1015
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 10: and also just how a different perspective than everybody else

1016
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 10: in corporate media. Of course, you know they're always they're

1017
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 10: always trying to push an establishment talking point. Even if

1018
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Speaker 10: you take this week in the discussions on the Save Act,

1019
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 10: everyone in DC is trying to say, oh, they're gonna

1020
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 10: they're gonna get this Save Act done through reconciliation. Through

1021
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 10: our reporting with actual facts, we're showing how that's actually

1022
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 10: not going to happen, and how that's a cop out.

1023
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 10: And you know it's one thing to just say it,

1024
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 10: it's another thing to show procedurally why that's why that's Yeah.

1025
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's amazing how much power the parliamentarian has.

1026
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's like you can't you there's they tried

1027
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Speaker 3: right during the BBB, like the at some point that

1028
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 3: was floated and they were like you can't get it through. Yeah,

1029
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 3: that stripped it.

1030
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: Reconciliation is a weird thing because so much of the

1031
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: rules around it are statutory, you know, so most Senate

1032
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: procedure and parliamentary stuff is just based on internal rules

1033
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: and precedents. Budget stuff and reconciliation stuff are one of

1034
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: the rare areas where they've actually put these restrictions on

1035
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: what the Senate can do in it into law. If

1036
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: you go back and read the debate at the time,

1037
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people thought that was a really bad idea,

1038
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 1: like you can't be putting Senate procedure into law, Like

1039
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: that's that's weird. And I will actually go to bat

1040
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: for the parliamentarian on this one. You know, you'll have

1041
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Speaker 1: people say, oh, well, she's the pointed by read. She's

1042
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: a Democrat. I've known her for a long time, worked

1043
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Speaker 1: with her when I worked for Tom Coburn, and she's

1044
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: a total straight shooter. And when it comes to things

1045
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Speaker 1: like christ conciliation, because the rules are in law, she

1046
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: has very little room to maneuver. The law says what

1047
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: it says. The rules are what they are, and it's

1048
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: up to the Senate at some point to actually take

1049
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: some responsibility and determine whether it's going to allow this

1050
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: stuff or not.

1051
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: So then I got to put you as a got

1052
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: to ask the tough question, then abolish the philibuster is

1053
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: nuke it? What are we going to do here talking philibrate?

1054
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,280
Speaker 3: What do we what should be the next step?

1055
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 10: I would just say, you do not need to destroy

1056
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 10: the filibuster in order to continue to push the Save

1057
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Speaker 10: Act through the Senate. It's you know, the filibuster is

1058
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Speaker 10: an important thing for minority rights, and frequently people on

1059
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Speaker 10: the right and conservatives are going to be in the minority.

1060
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Speaker 10: Taking away all minority rights from the Senate, which is

1061
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 10: supposed to be this great deliberative body, is not a

1062
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 10: great idea. I think what what is a wiser course

1063
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 10: of action is to let the Senate actually be the

1064
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Speaker 10: Senate discuss debate. Even just when they did a little

1065
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Speaker 10: bit of debate on the Save Act, you saw Democrats say, oh, well,

1066
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Speaker 10: actually we don't oppose voter ID. That's not true, but

1067
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Speaker 10: they said it publicly. Well, if you can take that

1068
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 10: little morsel and say, okay, what if we just you know,

1069
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Speaker 10: take away everything else in the Save Act, but all

1070
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Speaker 10: we care about is voter ID, it shows that you

1071
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Speaker 10: have room to negotiate and.

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Speaker 9: Be that deliberative body that it was.

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Speaker 10: For hundreds of years before people started just taking all

1074
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Speaker 10: the debate out and putting it into back run, right.

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Speaker 4: I genuinely wish we could get rid of, actually kind

1076
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Speaker 4: of get rid of c SPAN, because I think c

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Speaker 4: SPAN messed up Congress, where every speech. If you've ever

1078
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Speaker 4: been inside the chambers, you know that the speeches they

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Speaker 4: give are fake. They're delivered to nobody except if you

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Speaker 4: you know, bord bystanders who are yawning. They're all just

1081
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Speaker 4: so they can be on c SPAN beyond the record

1082
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Speaker 4: for you know, whatever clip they want to get. So

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Speaker 4: there's it's baffling. It's almost it's very alien to read

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Speaker 4: about the US Congress one hundred and fifty years ago,

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Speaker 4: where guys can become major American figures because they are,

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Speaker 4: you know, giants of actual argument on the floor of

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Speaker 4: the House, on the floor of the Senate. They get

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Speaker 4: things through on the basis of that. And that's been

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Speaker 4: totally wiped out in favor of just endless procedural nonsense.

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Speaker 4: On the filibusters specifically, though I think I actually might

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Speaker 4: disagree there on it being about minority rights. I think

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Speaker 4: a good formulation from a friend of mine, Vince Colonad

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Speaker 4: is actually I think you know him. He pointed out

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Speaker 4: the filibuster it protects not the minority, It protects the

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00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 4: majority from votes it secretly does not want to take.

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Speaker 4: Because that is how we have all these Republicans who say,

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Speaker 4: I'm super maga, I'm super gung ho on the border.

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Speaker 4: But you know, so it can't pass this, you need

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Speaker 4: sixty votes. And same thing when the Democrats have power.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we know, we'd love to do all that,

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Speaker 4: you know, crazy socialism, abolish the police stuff. But you know,

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Speaker 4: sixty votes, guys, tough breaks. And I feel like that

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Speaker 4: is how it has broken out, and we have this

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Speaker 4: fake Senate, a fake Senate that number passes anything.

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Speaker 1: I think that's totally true. I think that's less a

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Speaker 1: function of the filibuster than the modern running of the Senate.

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Speaker 1: I personally think Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell together destroy

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Speaker 1: the US Senate. Rather than allowing debate to flower and

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00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 1: to be unpredictable, they would go in, they'd put a

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Speaker 1: bill on the floor. They would do what's called fill

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Speaker 1: the tree, so they make it impossible for anyone to

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Speaker 1: offer amendments in a file culture and then you just

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Speaker 1: vote on that and that was the end of it.

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Speaker 1: If you could convince me that if we've abolished the

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Speaker 1: filibuster tomorrow, that we had fifty one votes to do

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Speaker 1: truly transformational things to restore the country, I think I

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00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: would be all for it. The reality is that if

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Speaker 1: we were to abolish the filibuster today, they would have

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Speaker 1: fifty one vote to reopen DHS, and that is it.

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Speaker 1: That is the only thing.

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Speaker 4: That we could get.

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Speaker 3: You don't think we get Save America Act passed. You

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Speaker 3: don't think we could get you know, end invasion level migration.

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Speaker 3: You don't think.

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Speaker 1: I do know, And I actually think that's why Thune

1126
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: and leadership were so against the talking filibuster. They came

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00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: up with procedural reasons why they said it couldn't work,

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Speaker 1: which were all fake. The reality is they didn't have

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Speaker 1: fifty votes to do what they wanted to push it through.

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Speaker 3: That's depressing. That means we need way better.

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Speaker 1: Republican Absolutely, Yep, Primaries are where the battle is for Republicans.

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Speaker 10: To your point, though, rather than you know, black pilling

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Speaker 10: over this, it is true that by and large, every

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Speaker 10: two years you get a slightly better class of Republican senators.

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Speaker 10: You compare you know who've come in more recently with

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Speaker 10: people who came.

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Speaker 3: In Schmidt Cyberville leadership coming in there. Holly's been kind

1138
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Speaker 3: of interesting, actually, he's been more and more kind of

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Speaker 3: getting shout outs by our guests here on your musical choices.

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Speaker 3: The bumpers are a fire. They approve, he says, thank

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Speaker 4: You can't get wrong with play never surrender for the

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Speaker 4: next one.

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Speaker 3: That's my favorite Blake. Blake is definitely more engaged with

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Speaker 3: the musical choices.

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Speaker 4: I'm just like, sometimes we'll get a new one I

1166
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: haven't heard before, and I'll just have to ask what

1167
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Speaker 4: it is, because I don't know all of my nineties

1168
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 4: alt rock that they throw at us. I had some

1169
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Speaker 4: bowling for soup songs.

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Speaker 3: So I went to this show in Scottsdale a couple

1171
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Speaker 3: of weeks back and actually saw the Gin Blossoms, and

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Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, God, I saw the

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Speaker 3: Jim Blossoms, and like, I was too young when they

1174
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Speaker 3: were like big, but they're you know, you keep hearing

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Speaker 3: their songs for years afterwards, and so they're I mean,

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Speaker 3: I know the words, you know, And everybody in the

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Speaker 3: studio is like, who's the gym blossom Goldie. I never

1178
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Speaker 3: heard of any of these Jim Blossoms. Are legit. It's

1179
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Speaker 3: the pride of Tempe. Like, that's why I thought everyone

1180
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Speaker 3: would know about.

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Speaker 1: We've got hey jealousy, follow you down, dude, Gin Blossoms

1182
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Speaker 1: have never heard amazing.

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Speaker 3: By the way, the guy, you know, he's you know,

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Speaker 3: I think he's like an old ex or you know

1185
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 3: or whatever. And his voice sounds perfect, so it just

1186
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 3: sounds exact same.

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Speaker 1: We need to bring back nineties guitar rock.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree, but we're a dying breed.

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Speaker 11: I know.

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Speaker 3: It's really sad.

1191
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: Link doesn't even understand what we're talking.

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Speaker 4: Music died when Nevermind came out.

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Speaker 10: Okay, speaking of big, big views like that, Sean showed

1194
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 10: me this really interesting YouTube on how everybody came to

1195
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Speaker 10: hate Nickelback and how how like unnatural.

1196
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Speaker 1: That I am one hundred percent pro Nickelback, loves Nickelback.

1197
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Speaker 3: They got I am not their Canadian.

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Speaker 10: It kind of went through how it started as a

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Speaker 10: like literally a joke on Comedy Central that got pulled

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Speaker 10: and played over and over again, and also how critics

1201
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Speaker 10: never liked them because they were so focused on commercial

1202
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 10: success and so but they kept on selling like just gangbusters.

1203
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Speaker 9: They were gangbusters, and the more.

1204
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 10: Successful they were the worse their critical reviews were.

1205
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Speaker 9: And then it became like a joke.

1206
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Speaker 10: And then it became this joke that you like had

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Speaker 10: to believe in, and it was just like this fascinating

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Speaker 10: you were.

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Speaker 1: To not liking.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure I organically do not like Nickelback.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I also am not.

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Speaker 4: I still like how No.

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Speaker 1: One point eight billion streams on Spotify.

1214
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Speaker 9: And I know that the people are never wrong.

1215
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I knew he'd have it on call because he's

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Speaker 3: like Caboos is like the biggest Nickelback stand there is,

1217
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Speaker 3: and I'm always like Nickelback, like why is that? Because

1218
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: you know, and Poso loves Creed and so there's been

1219
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: a lot of Creed talk and I kind of lumped

1220
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Speaker 3: them together in the same thing. But Creed was obviously

1221
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Speaker 3: at the faith angle that was Yeah, it was much

1222
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: more pronounced, if you will. I mean, music is an

1223
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: interesting question. I mean we had the we had the

1224
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Speaker 3: All American halftime show, which did like between fifty and

1225
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Speaker 3: sixty million viewers. We actually hired an independent media analysts

1226
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Speaker 3: and analysts to break down the numbers and give us

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Speaker 3: like a Nielsen equivalent, and it was the if you

1228
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Speaker 3: add up all the streams together. It was the number

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Speaker 3: one live stream event in basically online history.

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Speaker 1: But we all did that like two months prep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean honestly, we put in like most of

1232
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Speaker 3: the work in the last two weeks. But it was

1233
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 3: you know, and if you we can't claim that it

1234
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Speaker 3: was the number one because we didn't put everything into

1235
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Speaker 3: one account. So turning points YouTube account though, was the

1236
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: second largest in world history and the number one in

1237
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Speaker 3: US history. Not bad, right, It's amazing.

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Speaker 10: And it also shows that the worst that the NFL

1239
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 10: is doing with its halftime show, the more opportunity there

1240
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 10: is there.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious to see if they're gonna pivot, you know,

1242
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: and try and do something a little bit more uniting.

1243
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: Here's the problem is that they've got a super Bowl

1244
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Speaker 3: in Nashville in like what two years, three years, So

1245
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Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna go country next year because

1246
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 3: they're they're sort of holding that back for whatever. I

1247
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: think it's twenty twenty, just do it.

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Speaker 4: They should just do a Metallica halftime show.

1249
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Speaker 3: That would be small in San Francisco. It was like,

1250
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 3: you have the perfect act right there, Like that's the move.

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Speaker 10: You do have a problem with not enough monoculture of

1252
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 10: people being able to all know the same band, Like

1253
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 10: it's true that this guy who did the super Bowl

1254
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Speaker 10: is very popular in a certain niche, but not with

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Speaker 10: the rest.

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Speaker 4: Of Okay, okay, total What if they did a k

1257
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Speaker 4: Pop super Bowl halftime show BTS halftime.

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Speaker 1: Your worst idea ever?

1259
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Speaker 3: Think that would be less controversial than bad, but the

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Speaker 3: music video would kill I just.

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Speaker 9: Want to say.

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Speaker 10: I was listening to the Dana Carvey, Who's that guy

1263
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Speaker 10: David Spade podcast and they were actually talking about the

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Speaker 10: TPUSA halftime show. One of the things they mentioned was

1265
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Speaker 10: that yeah, oh, I love it, and they were mentioning

1266
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Speaker 10: though that the first people to have done an alternate

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Speaker 10: halftime was it was in Living Colors, yes, and how

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Speaker 10: successful that had been, and also.

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Speaker 4: Why we got the halftime show, like they kind of

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Speaker 4: did more lame halftime shows, and then because that no

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Speaker 4: one's going to counterprogram the super Bowl, and then the

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Speaker 4: other networks like script We're going to counter program the

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Speaker 4: super Bowl. And then the next year they rolled out

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Speaker 4: Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 3: By the way, it was so hard to do you

1276
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: and not believe how many people were like, oh man,

1277
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 3: let's do this, can't wait and then their manager their

1278
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 3: agent would call and be like, you can't do that.

1279
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Speaker 3: But yeah, music is powerful, but like, let's talk about,

1280
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 3: you know, culture in general. It feels like we had

1281
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 3: this moment in twenty twenty four where we were culturally ascendant,

1282
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 3: right you saw the New Yorker magazine with all the

1283
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 3: young kids at the inauguration. It was this dawn of

1284
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: a new era. Really hasn't materialized. I think losing Charlie

1285
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: was a big blow to that. But I also think

1286
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 3: just some of this, the Epstein stuff and the Iran stuff,

1287
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, we've got seapac going on

1288
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 3: by the way in Texas. So the conservative movement is

1289
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 3: coalescing at least in some shape or form in that sense.

1290
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 3: But what do you guys make of this? Like, what

1291
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 3: did we lose the plot? What is it? Policy? Is

1292
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 3: it just this is a hard country to govern and

1293
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: this was inevitable? What do you guys make of that?

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Speaker 1: I think a big part of the energy coming out

1295
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four was the outsider energy, when you're

1296
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Speaker 1: on the outside looking in, which Trump was. They tried

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Speaker 1: to kill him, they tried to imprison him, they tried

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Speaker 1: to bankrupt him, and then he's a scendant and comes

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Speaker 1: back America loves an underdog. That's a great story. Like

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Speaker 1: the vibe in the energy was awesome, but then when

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Speaker 1: you get into power, that all changes. You don't have

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Speaker 1: that outsider energy anymore. I feel like that's the real

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Speaker 1: struggle now is now you're in there and you actually

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Speaker 1: have to do stuff in what's actually being done. It's

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Speaker 1: a lot harder. But yeah, there's been a definite vibe switch.

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Speaker 10: And speaking of difficulties building coalitions, that's a very difficult

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Speaker 10: thing to.

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Speaker 9: Do and to maintain.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 10: Just being here in this studio reminds me that after

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Speaker 10: Charlie was assassinated, people tried to say, oh, well, this

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Speaker 10: is a big free speech martyr. Well, he was a

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Speaker 10: free speech.

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Speaker 9: Martyr, but he is so so much more than that.

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Speaker 10: It was not just about advocating for free speech, but

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Speaker 10: the content of what he was talking about was much

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Speaker 10: more important. But also just his role within the movement

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Speaker 10: was as this statesman who was able to interact with

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Speaker 10: all these different groups of people with sometimes competing interests

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Speaker 10: and keep everybody from going crazy. And you don't really

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Speaker 10: have a lot of figures who can serve that function,

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Speaker 10: and also just politically speaking, Donald Trump has historically been

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Speaker 10: really good at managing his coalition, and I think less

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Speaker 10: good in recent months than he has been.

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Speaker 4: All this is inevitable. Some of this is inevitable. I

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Speaker 4: think I've pointed this out. There's a lot of stuff

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Speaker 4: about President Trump that is I think for a lot

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Speaker 4: of people, it's very endearing and funny when he's this Canada,

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Speaker 4: you know, he's always saying funny stuff. He says something

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Speaker 4: that sends the media into an absolute frenzy and all

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Speaker 4: of that, and it's very entertaining. While he's running, he's

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Speaker 4: always doing unpredictable stuff, and I do think for a

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Speaker 4: chunk of the population it just becomes less amusing when

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Speaker 4: he's the president of the United States, like he can

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Speaker 4: post on truth whatever he wants when he's running.

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Speaker 9: I don't think he's done so much less of that

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Speaker 9: this term than I.

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Speaker 4: Think it's less prominent because he's not he's you know,

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Speaker 4: he's on truth social instead of on X. But I

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Speaker 4: do think that stands out, and I just think there's

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Speaker 4: gonna be a core of people where, you know, he

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Speaker 4: says something about Rob Reiner on truth, it goes really

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Speaker 4: viral that he said that, and a lot of people,

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Speaker 4: even if they like his policies, they just they don't

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Speaker 4: like that. I'm not in ubers as much as I

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Speaker 4: was when I was in d C, but I do

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Speaker 4: remember taking ubers in DC and a super common take.

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Speaker 4: I would run into from these guys who are immigrant

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Speaker 4: cab drivers and they would say, Oh, I love Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump's policies, but I do not wish you would tweet

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Speaker 4: so much.

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Speaker 3: Well, hopefully they're not voting and if they have an

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Speaker 3: accent like that.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, I did love the moment where I felt like

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Speaker 1: the energy was coming back was the Pearl Harbor comment,

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Speaker 1: and that was great. That's the Trump point. I want

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Speaker 1: to see more of it.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what's crazy is we had, you know,

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Speaker 3: and I talk with Rich Barris, who's pulling a lot,

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Speaker 3: and he's kind of like black pill bearis right now,

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Speaker 3: And you know, I asked him after the State of Union,

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Speaker 3: you know, do you think he's going to get a

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Speaker 3: bump from that? Like that felt really good. He was like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna get a serious bump from that. And Rich

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Speaker 3: was sounding a really positive note. And then like a

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Speaker 3: week later, Iran happens, right, And I instantly knew that

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Speaker 3: that was going to be wildly unpopular with young people.

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Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it. I know, like some of

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Speaker 3: us that have been pushing this anti interventionist foreign policy

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Speaker 3: for years. And by the way, Trump helped usher that

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Speaker 3: in when he called you know, Iraq a dumb war, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he is the sort of originator of this energy,

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Speaker 3: and it was extremely popular, especially with young people, and

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Speaker 3: that was always Charlie's focus is my focus is I'm

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Speaker 3: just I'm going like, Okay, this might be the natural

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Speaker 3: security right play, but it's gonna be politically very very dubious.

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Speaker 4: As a side note, I'm surprised President Trump's shaken up

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Speaker 4: so many other traditions and politics. If you get a

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Speaker 4: bump from the State of the Union, I'm surprised Trump

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Speaker 4: has never made the call I'm going to do the

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Speaker 4: State of the Union the last week of October.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't say when you have to do it to

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Speaker 4: be here.

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Speaker 10: There was polling yesterday from Fox News showing pretty bad

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Speaker 10: numbers for Trump a hispanics in terms of his approval ratings.

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Speaker 10: And there's just a lot of polling showing uh, just general.

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Speaker 9: Lack of support for this war.

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Speaker 10: But you think about all the polling that we heard

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Speaker 10: about for the last couple of weeks, what was it,

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Speaker 10: one hundred percent of Trump supporter support Trump kind.

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Speaker 1: Of a weird and that was like, it's tautological, but yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: Like if MAGA is shrinking, then one hundred percent of

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Speaker 3: a smaller place.

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Speaker 9: And they were saying that.

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Speaker 10: They were saying, though, MAGA is not shrinking, and it's

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Speaker 10: one hundred percent support. When you ever, whenever you hear

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Speaker 10: one hundred percent number, you should be suspicious, right, Like

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Speaker 10: it doesn't sound real.

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Speaker 4: I would say, well, I think, well, I think that's

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Speaker 4: what it is. I just think there is a hard

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Speaker 4: call of Trump's supporters where I mean President Trump himself

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Speaker 4: has said I am MAGA. MAGA is me, Like, there's

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Speaker 4: just a group of people who are who have decided

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Speaker 4: I will support President Trump kind of no matter what

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Speaker 4: he does. I think he's won me over.

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Speaker 10: But if that number is thirty five percent or whatever

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Speaker 10: it was from the Fox poll, how are you gonna

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Speaker 10: win elections?

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Speaker 4: That's the thing.

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Speaker 10: And so that's what I wish more people were thinking

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Speaker 10: about in DC. Obviously, in DC, the main push is

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Speaker 10: make sure Donald Trump does not pull out of this war.

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Speaker 10: Make sure he stays in. You see this in the

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Speaker 10: Wall Street Journal. Editorials are like, you would be the

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Speaker 10: biggest loser in history if you didn't commit to ground

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Speaker 10: in base.

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Speaker 4: I think Wall Street Journal how to take that. If

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Speaker 4: we don't commit ground troops, the United States will collapse. Okay,

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Speaker 4: it's investing a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of important on this with the Wall Street Journal. You

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Speaker 3: guys probably know more about that than I do. But

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Speaker 3: the neocon element, I've heard it described. I think was

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Speaker 3: Kurt Mills or something said that this is like the

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Speaker 3: Empire strikes back of the neocons. And I mean, I'm

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Speaker 3: curious about your take. So okay, let's say you've got

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Speaker 3: the eighty second Airbone Born getting in position, and you've

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Speaker 3: got marines, you've got some other paratroopers. All the pieces

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Speaker 3: are in place for some sort of potential ground strike.

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Speaker 3: In President Trump in recent memory, when he builds up

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Speaker 3: a force, he uses it. Okay, so let's say this happens.

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Speaker 3: What is the political implication of that? And does it

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Speaker 3: depend on the outcome? I guess it necessarily does.

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Speaker 1: I mean, eventually it depends on the outcome. But how

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Speaker 1: far away is the outcome? And wars have this tricky thing,

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Speaker 1: and it feels a little bit like people got a

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Speaker 1: false sense of confidence from this Venezuela. It was super easy.

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Speaker 1: We went and kidnapped Nick Cage or kidnapped Mordureau like

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Speaker 1: for Nick Cage in a constitution which was like objectively

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Speaker 1: rare and amazing.

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Speaker 4: President Trump clearly he likes to be able to do

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Speaker 4: stuff quickly, instantaneously. That has a lot of appeal to him,

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Speaker 4: I think, I mean, even on domestic policy, he wants

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Speaker 4: to issue executive orders. One reason I think he loves

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Speaker 4: teris he does innately like tariffs, but he also loves

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Speaker 4: that he can impose them by executive fiat a lot

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Speaker 4: of the time. And whenever he's trying to demand the

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Speaker 4: Save Act, it's okay. Suddenly it's mired in the Senate

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Speaker 4: as a filibuster and they don't want to and they're

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Speaker 4: moving slow, and it's a bummer. I think he likes

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Speaker 4: with foreign policy that he does have this huge range

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Speaker 4: of action. I think people who frankly have always been

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Speaker 4: in the pro war caucus, they won him over with oh,

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Speaker 4: this four to oh thing, big instant success, This Venezuela thing,

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Speaker 4: big instant success. I think it's pretty clear they sold

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Speaker 4: him a narrative that Iran would be similar. I think

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Speaker 4: they I think they pretty clearly expected that they would

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Speaker 4: blow up the Ayatola and they would instantly either surrender

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Speaker 4: or collapse. And that didn't happen. And now I am

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Speaker 4: a little concerned that now they're selling him it's gonna

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Speaker 4: be easy. You just you send in these marines, you

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Speaker 4: take this island. Then then they'll have to surrender. And

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Speaker 4: if that doesn't happen, what are they going to tell

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Speaker 4: him then?

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Speaker 1: And that's the nature of war, and it's why you're

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Speaker 1: should always be super hesitant. The enemy always gets a vote.

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Speaker 1: You may decide and it starts, but they generally decide

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Speaker 1: when it ends. And they right now, they don't seem

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Speaker 1: like they're in a hurry to end it right now.

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Speaker 1: So are we going to be talking about this in

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Speaker 1: July or October or next year?

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Speaker 4: And I just read a book about World War two

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Speaker 4: in the Pacific from the Japanese perspective, And so they

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Speaker 4: have a Japanese ambassador in the United States who I

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Speaker 4: believe was not told they were going to do Pearl Harvard.

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Speaker 4: They didn't inform them of this war breaks out. He's

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Speaker 4: in turn for a few months, like six months later,

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Speaker 4: they trade him and he goes back to Japan and

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Speaker 4: he meets the government and they're like, we wish you to, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, make an initiative to like negotiate a peace

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Speaker 4: deal with the United States as quickly as possible, and

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Speaker 4: he just looks at them. He's like, I don't think

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Speaker 4: you guys quite understand what you have done, Like I

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Speaker 4: don't think they're going to make peace with you guys.

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Speaker 9: And he is correct exactly.

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Speaker 10: War has a way of having it is objectives outside

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Speaker 10: of what your own are.

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Speaker 4: It's easier to start a war than to end it

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Speaker 4: because the enemy gets a vote.

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Speaker 10: I will say I saw again Wall Street Journal story

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Speaker 10: saying that Trump is privately telling anybody who will listen

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Speaker 10: that he does not want this to drag on, that

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Speaker 10: he wants to be out very soon. I renework had

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Speaker 10: the you know point that, well, that's also what he's

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Speaker 10: saying publicly, and he has said publicly over and over

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Speaker 10: and over again. He's thinking more four to six week timeline.

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Speaker 10: And so that is why you're seeing the pressure now

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Speaker 10: being to elongate this war and have it continue. The

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Speaker 10: gas prices alone are politically catastrophic.

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Speaker 3: Inflation is going to be.

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Speaker 10: But I do think that, and I'm saying this is,

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Speaker 10: you know, totally outside of my own views. Communicating more

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Speaker 10: what you want to achieve might be helpful for political outcomes,

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Speaker 10: doing doing more of a you know, bringing people along

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Speaker 10: with your goals.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting this, I have to say, but death

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Speaker 3: of recess it stopped me in my tracks. This isn't

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Speaker 3: about dodgeballs and jungle gyms. It's about control. The modern

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Speaker 3: American classroom didn't just happen. It was intentionally designed. It

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Speaker 3: was standardized and centralized. And once you see who built

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Speaker 3: it and who protects it, everything clicks. Billions of dollars

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Speaker 3: are flowing through education bureaucracies every year, test scores collapse,

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01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,519
Speaker 3: and somehow the answer is always more money and less

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Speaker 3: parental authority. The documentary breaks down how organizations like the

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Speaker 3: NEA amassed enormous influence, how radical gender ideology entered classrooms,

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01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 3: and why something as basic as recess movement, freedom childhood,

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01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 3: you know, had to go. That's not random, that's systemic.

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Speaker 3: Institutions protect themselves. They do not protect your kids. And

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Speaker 3: that's why this documentary exists on Angel Studio streaming platform

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01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 3: Angel Guild. Angel Guild is willing to distribute films that

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01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 3: challenge powerful systems when legacy media won't touch them. So

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Speaker 3: right now, go to angel dot com slash Charlie and

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01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 3: watch Death of Recess right now. If you're a parent

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Speaker 3: or plan to be, you need to see this. That's

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Speaker 3: Angel dot com slash Charlie and watch Death of Recess.

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Speaker 3: By the way, yeah, we got some b roll of

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Speaker 3: the All American halftime Show. You know, people, people love

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 3: this show first of all, I will tell you, and

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01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 3: then the like haters online would be like, you know,

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01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 3: and I was like, no, we did a pretty darn

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Speaker 3: good job there it is. And kid Rock Bless him, man,

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Speaker 3: I mean he had he was the one guy that

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Speaker 3: had the guts to stand with us and like anchor

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Speaker 3: that thing and it was so God bless him. I

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Speaker 3: genuine I was never like a huge Kid Rock guy,

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01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 3: and after this, I'm like, the man can do no wrong.

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Speaker 3: God bless him.

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Speaker 10: I was on a plane or something during the Super

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01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 10: Bowl and I'm not really a big NFL watcher.

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Speaker 4: Have you ever played the game to intentionally not know

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Speaker 4: what the score is.

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Speaker 9: No, I love I love it.

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Speaker 10: But I was talking to my sister, my nieces and nephews,

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01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 10: and everybody loved the show and it was they were

1545
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 10: really happy that there was an alternative that they could

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Speaker 10: enjoy good.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, when it was like a thirty

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Speaker 3: minutes out and there was already a million people in

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Speaker 3: the stream waiting for it, I was like, this is

1550
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 3: something's happening. Something's like really happening. All right. So I

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Speaker 3: have two questions for you. The first is, Joe Kent,

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Speaker 3: I want to like help me understand. What do you

1553
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 3: think the importance of this? How damaging was this to

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01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 3: President Trump? To the war effort? Or is it you know,

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Speaker 3: kind of what you learned about Joe Ken as you're

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Speaker 3: thinking on it changed. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it'll end up being a blip in the

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Speaker 1: whole scheme of things. Washington has a way of making

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Speaker 1: you believe that whatever is happening right now is the

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Speaker 1: most important thing ever. I mean, it wasn't unimportant, but

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, a month or two from now,

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Speaker 1: it'll be forgotten. Mollie and I were talking on the

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Speaker 1: way to the studio this morning about how there seems

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Speaker 1: to have been a permanent change kind of in how

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Speaker 1: the American mind processes events. I don't know whether it

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Speaker 1: was COVID that did it, or the Russia hoax or

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01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 1: the jfk assassination, where people just instinctively refuse to believe

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Speaker 1: whatever it is they're told is the primary story. And

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01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times this can be directionally accurate. You

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01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: can kind of smell a rat, you know that something's

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01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: not right, and then you go to look for you know,

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Speaker 1: what might have explained this behavior that has better facts.

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01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: You know, did COVID come from a lab or not?

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01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:08,640
Speaker 1: We were told, oh no, no, it was natural, it

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01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: was from wet markets, and everyone kind of knew, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: it came from a lab. So I think there's a

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Speaker 1: healthy instinct that people have to question in the narrative,

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01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 1: but there can be a point where that goes way

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01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 1: too far. And I think what we're seeing now with

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Speaker 1: just how easy it is to go and research stuff

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01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: on the internet. There's podcasts everywhere. It's really easy to

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Speaker 1: kind of choose your own adventure when it comes to

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01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: a narrative, and that can, like I said, it can

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01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: be a good instinct, but it can really go too

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01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 1: far to where you just refuse to accept anything you

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Speaker 1: ever hear. Ever, in which case you're really just crafting

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Speaker 1: your own reality. It's not isolated to the left. It

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Speaker 1: happens on the right as well, and I think overall

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Speaker 1: it's kind of an unhealthy thing to do when we

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01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,320
Speaker 1: can never agree on the nature of reality or facts

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Speaker 1: or anything. Ever, there's got to be a way back

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Speaker 1: from that.

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Speaker 10: And more specifically on the individual in question, I do

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01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 10: think that Sean refers to staffer syndrome, where staffers think

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01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 10: they're much more important than they are. If you believe

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01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 10: you cannot support your principle and you feel that you

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Speaker 10: should resign, I think you should resign. I think that's

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Speaker 10: more honorable than staying in and undermining and sabotaging leaking.

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Speaker 10: I don't like that behavior. You should do it quietly,

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Speaker 10: you should not do it where you are the center

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Speaker 10: of the story. And so I don't really like the

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Speaker 10: way that all went down. Now, I will say I

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01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 10: do think debate is good. Debate on this war is good,

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01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 10: and nobody should be afraid of it. The strongest supporters

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01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 10: of this war should understand that debating the objectives the

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Speaker 10: means by which you're going to obtain those objectives is

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Speaker 10: healthy and important. Wars are not done unilaterally. You have

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Speaker 10: to have the support of the people who are putting

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Speaker 10: their lives on the line, who are paying for it,

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Speaker 10: and who might be forced to pay for it for

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Speaker 10: you know, in the case of previous wars we've done

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Speaker 10: sometimes that lasts for decades, and so there are there.

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Speaker 10: I see, I didn't love like everything about the way

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Speaker 10: this went down, and I think we should just encourage

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Speaker 10: much better debate.

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Speaker 3: So I find it interesting that, you know, we're plus

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 3: six months from Charlie's assassination and it still feels like

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01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 3: this is the churn that we're in, even in the

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Speaker 3: midst of a war. It sort of the question is,

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Speaker 3: you know, can we bring this back together in time

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Speaker 3: for the midterms? Can we bring the coalition back a

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01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,799
Speaker 3: winning coalition so that we don't get completely she lacked?

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Speaker 3: And if so, what needs to happen between now and.

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Speaker 1: Then, Yeah, we absolutely can. I'm not a black pillar

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Speaker 1: at all. Six months in politics is an eternity. We

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01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 1: have extremely short memories as American voters. I would compare

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Speaker 1: them to goldfish generally. I remember in ninety one George H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush had at one point in ninety one percent approval

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01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,920
Speaker 1: rating on the heels of desert storm ends up getting

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01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: forty percent in the election over a year and a half.

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Speaker 3: Well, that was ross Borrow had something to do with

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Speaker 3: that too, But yes.

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Speaker 1: So did raising taxes and violating that key pledge. You know,

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Speaker 1: we go back to twenty twenty. I was at the

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01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 1: State of the Union. Trump blew the roof off that building.

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01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 1: I think it was better than the State of Union

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01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: speech he gave this year. The economy was roaring and

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01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: then bam, COVID hits everything falls apart. So six months

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01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: as an eternity, what do we have to do to

1640
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: get where we need to be? I think Trump needs

1641
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: to have a laser focus on the domestic economy. He

1642
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: needs to understand that you have people who went to

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01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:34,680
Speaker 1: college and followed the rules who can't get jobs. You

1644
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: have a whole generation that thinks they're never going to

1645
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 1: get married, They're never going to own a home because

1646
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: you look at how much you have to have just

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01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 1: to have a down payment, let alone the mortgage interest rate.

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01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: And increasingly you have multiple generations of people who believe

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01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: the American dream is a total fantasy and totally out

1650
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,640
Speaker 1: of reach. If he has laser focused on that with

1651
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 1: solutions on how to deal with how can you afford

1652
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: a house? How do you get college affordable? Can we

1653
01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: make groceries normal, gas affordable? I think that's most of

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01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 1: his problems.

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Speaker 10: And I would say, you know, this is Donald Trump

1656
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 10: is currently the president, but will not be with us forever.

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Speaker 10: And it is shocking and appalling to me how little

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01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 10: other Republicans have thought about being leaders in this moment.

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01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 10: And the political party that does address some of these

1660
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 10: really deep questions about you know, what does it mean

1661
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,920
Speaker 10: to be an American? What does it mean to have

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Speaker 10: a flourishing life? Will benefit with voters now. I also

1663
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 10: think there's something incumbent upon the people themselves.

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Speaker 9: One of the things I love.

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Speaker 10: About, particularly Charlie's last few years was his emphasis less

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Speaker 10: on politics and more on inculcating morals in the people,

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Speaker 10: focusing on the importance of religion. And I think that

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Speaker 10: even as you know, Sean and I are doing day

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Speaker 10: to day news, you guys are doing.

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Speaker 9: A daily radio show.

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01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 10: Like we have to be focused on the day to day,

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01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 10: but we also need to be focused on much bigger,

1673
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 10: long term issues about the trust we put in princes

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01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 10: and whether we are a moral people capable of having

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Speaker 10: this constantutioneutional government. And if I can just make a

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01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 10: little pitch here, I have a book coming out next

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01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 10: month on Justice Alito, who is I think our most

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01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 10: important and least understood justice. And one of the things

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Speaker 10: I try to point out in this book is how

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Speaker 10: he balances pragmatism and principle. And too often on the

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Speaker 10: right we have seen people really just go at one

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Speaker 10: extreme or the other, and it doesn't work.

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Speaker 9: If you do that, you.

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01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 10: Can be you know, you can ride your principle and

1685
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 10: not care at all about whether you're helping the people

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01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 10: that those principles are supposedly supposed to help. Or you

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01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 10: can be so pragmatic that you become a utilitarian and

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01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 10: think the ends justify the means. And so we as

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Speaker 10: a people need to understand how to balance those things

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01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 10: and also hold up those people less less influencers, more

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Speaker 10: people who show moral courage, like I would say Justice Alito.

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Speaker 3: And Charlie Kirk and Blake final I think you should

1693
01:19:53,360 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 3: take us home here that Mom Donnie versus Maga, that

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01:19:56,920 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 3: divide the future.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you have to recognize, like people said, people

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01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:03,760
Speaker 4: still I think they get lost in the idea that

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01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 4: we won this like huge permanent victory in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: They're not really accounting to reality, which is this can

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01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 4: swerve back very violently. There's very radical people who would

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01:20:16,120 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 4: love to abolish a lot of core American freedoms, would

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01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 4: love to bring a like Revive twenty twenty style social revolution.

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01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 4: They already have ruined entire states. They would love to

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01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 4: ruin the entire country. And that is what we are

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01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 4: facing if we cannot adapt to the stresses that young

1705
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 4: people are facing, because they will vote to blow stuff up.

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01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 4: Some of them will vote to blow stuff up just

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01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 4: because it gives them a rush to do it. So

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01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 4: you have to win over the people who are at

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01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,799
Speaker 4: least inclined to keep things together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. And that was one of Charlie's final

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01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 3: warnings to us. You know, there's race against the clock

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01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 3: to train the next generation to value the same things

1713
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 3: that our founders gave us. Molly Hemingway, Sean Davis, you

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01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 3: guys are amazing to be here.

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Speaker 1: For more on many of these stories and news you

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Speaker 1: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com,