1 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:25,820 Speaker 1: Welcome to Timeless Wisdom with Dennis Prager. Here thousands of 2 00:00:25,860 --> 00:00:29,500 Speaker 1: hours of Dennis's lectures courses in classic radio programs. Had 3 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:33,180 Speaker 1: to purchase Dennis Prager's Rational Bibles. Go to Dennis Prager 4 00:00:33,460 --> 00:00:43,580 Speaker 1: dot com. 5 00:00:43,659 --> 00:00:48,660 Speaker 2: To be or not to be? That is the question? 6 00:00:49,900 --> 00:00:53,379 Speaker 2: Where was God? Isn't God supposed to be good, supposed 7 00:00:53,420 --> 00:00:53,860 Speaker 2: to love us? 8 00:00:54,220 --> 00:00:57,060 Speaker 3: Does God want us to suffer ten years? 9 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:58,260 Speaker 2: You're not Dennis yet? 10 00:00:59,140 --> 00:01:02,900 Speaker 4: Why did you go come here? 11 00:01:03,980 --> 00:01:04,459 Speaker 2: Who are you? 12 00:01:06,420 --> 00:01:06,740 Speaker 1: Bruce? 13 00:01:08,380 --> 00:01:10,940 Speaker 2: I'm God Bingo Yazi? 14 00:01:11,620 --> 00:01:12,660 Speaker 3: Is that your final answer? 15 00:01:12,860 --> 00:01:17,580 Speaker 2: Our services God? Bing ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. Well, 16 00:01:17,700 --> 00:01:18,740 Speaker 2: it was nice to meet you guy. 17 00:01:19,140 --> 00:01:21,339 Speaker 4: Thank you for the Grand Canyon and good luck. 18 00:01:21,180 --> 00:01:25,460 Speaker 2: With the apocalypse. Hey, everybody, this is the Ultimate Issues 19 00:01:25,460 --> 00:01:27,740 Speaker 2: Hour on the Dennis Prager Show. Each week at this 20 00:01:27,860 --> 00:01:35,180 Speaker 2: time I devote the hour to some great, overwhelming issue. 21 00:01:35,780 --> 00:01:38,580 Speaker 2: And you can't get greater or more overwhelming than the 22 00:01:38,660 --> 00:01:42,580 Speaker 2: question of evil. And there are so many aspects of 23 00:01:42,620 --> 00:01:46,260 Speaker 2: this question. Let me tell you what it Isn't it's 24 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:49,460 Speaker 2: a separate subject. When we've covered, and we'll cover again, 25 00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:54,020 Speaker 2: I promise. And you heard it in the famous introduction 26 00:01:54,180 --> 00:01:57,980 Speaker 2: to the Ultimate Issues Hour that we've just played, and 27 00:01:58,380 --> 00:02:01,900 Speaker 2: so I'm not discussing why there is evil in light 28 00:02:02,100 --> 00:02:05,460 Speaker 2: of God's existence. That's the problem. It's called theodicy. How 29 00:02:05,500 --> 00:02:09,459 Speaker 2: do you justify God and evil? That's not my question. 30 00:02:09,660 --> 00:02:14,020 Speaker 2: My question today is about evil specifically, and I'm going 31 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:16,419 Speaker 2: to get letters and call. So let me tell you, now, 32 00:02:16,419 --> 00:02:19,139 Speaker 2: what do I mean by evil? I'll tell you. Here's 33 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:21,620 Speaker 2: an example. Okay, I'll tell you what I mean by evil. 34 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:29,100 Speaker 2: There is a movie that is titled slum Dog Millionaire. 35 00:02:30,060 --> 00:02:33,340 Speaker 2: It is a British movie. It is made in India 36 00:02:33,420 --> 00:02:38,220 Speaker 2: with Indian actors, and it is a powerful film and 37 00:02:38,660 --> 00:02:44,860 Speaker 2: it is about kids who are orphaned, parents killed. Usually 38 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:48,820 Speaker 2: the parents are killed in some violence that has taken 39 00:02:48,860 --> 00:02:57,660 Speaker 2: place in some internecine warfare or just pugrum type activity 40 00:02:57,740 --> 00:03:02,140 Speaker 2: in India. Anyway. It is about two brothers in particular 41 00:03:03,140 --> 00:03:06,180 Speaker 2: and a girl that one of the brothers loves from childhood. 42 00:03:06,380 --> 00:03:10,060 Speaker 2: But here is an example of evil. There is a 43 00:03:10,140 --> 00:03:13,940 Speaker 2: depiction of a man who walks around, a handsome looking 44 00:03:13,980 --> 00:03:17,820 Speaker 2: man who walks around and who sees orphans on the 45 00:03:17,860 --> 00:03:21,780 Speaker 2: street homeless, and he offers them coca cola on a 46 00:03:21,820 --> 00:03:25,220 Speaker 2: hot day, and they come with him and he treats 47 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:29,660 Speaker 2: them beautifully in the beginning, and gradually you come to 48 00:03:29,700 --> 00:03:32,780 Speaker 2: see what a sadist, or at least what a totally 49 00:03:32,820 --> 00:03:34,980 Speaker 2: cruel man he is. And among the things that he 50 00:03:35,020 --> 00:03:40,980 Speaker 2: does is randomly takes some of the children and he 51 00:03:41,020 --> 00:03:45,420 Speaker 2: pours a boiling oil into their eyes to blind them, 52 00:03:46,460 --> 00:03:49,020 Speaker 2: and that way they can get double the money when 53 00:03:49,020 --> 00:03:52,620 Speaker 2: they beg There is a lot of a child begging 54 00:03:52,700 --> 00:03:55,940 Speaker 2: in India. Parenthetically, you know what a big fan I 55 00:03:56,020 --> 00:03:59,380 Speaker 2: am of India. I took my listeners on a cruise there, 56 00:04:00,020 --> 00:04:03,220 Speaker 2: and I've been there myself four times and enjoy it thoroughly. 57 00:04:03,940 --> 00:04:08,420 Speaker 2: It's a very very fascinating country to me. Be that 58 00:04:08,460 --> 00:04:11,740 Speaker 2: as it may, that's evil where you burn out a 59 00:04:12,060 --> 00:04:15,940 Speaker 2: children's eyes so that you can collect more money using 60 00:04:15,980 --> 00:04:20,220 Speaker 2: them as blind beggars. Do we all agree that that's evil? Okay? 61 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:25,740 Speaker 2: Roy Roy is dissenting, He's not certain, But beyond Roy, 62 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:32,380 Speaker 2: most human beings would in fact acknowledge that I was 63 00:04:32,420 --> 00:04:34,100 Speaker 2: about to take out one of his eyes and then 64 00:04:34,140 --> 00:04:38,500 Speaker 2: ask him and any event, that's pretty obvious, all right, 65 00:04:38,580 --> 00:04:41,660 Speaker 2: I'm not I purposely chose. I didn't choose a political 66 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:44,779 Speaker 2: evil so that nobody would think I have a political agenda. 67 00:04:44,820 --> 00:04:44,980 Speaker 1: Here. 68 00:04:45,020 --> 00:04:47,460 Speaker 2: I have no political agenda. I have a moral agenda. 69 00:04:47,900 --> 00:04:50,300 Speaker 2: In fact, I always have a moral agenda. Just politics 70 00:04:50,420 --> 00:04:53,180 Speaker 2: is one aspect of it. But in any event, there's 71 00:04:53,220 --> 00:04:55,220 Speaker 2: that clear. So now you know what I mean by 72 00:04:55,260 --> 00:05:00,900 Speaker 2: real evil. That's real evil. And so the question for 73 00:05:01,060 --> 00:05:05,219 Speaker 2: us today is why is there evil? There is so 74 00:05:05,500 --> 00:05:09,860 Speaker 2: much of it. Why is it there? There are four 75 00:05:10,580 --> 00:05:12,780 Speaker 2: answers that I have, but I want to post to 76 00:05:12,860 --> 00:05:16,900 Speaker 2: you a bigger question, one that I have mentioned only 77 00:05:16,940 --> 00:05:19,539 Speaker 2: in passing, but the Ultimate Issues Hour gives me the 78 00:05:19,580 --> 00:05:27,580 Speaker 2: opportunity to real flesh it out. I have come to 79 00:05:28,140 --> 00:05:34,580 Speaker 2: a sort of provisional conclusion that there is such a 80 00:05:34,740 --> 00:05:40,980 Speaker 2: gulf between the decent and the indecent. And I mean 81 00:05:41,060 --> 00:05:43,740 Speaker 2: the decent in the I don't mean every look, everybody 82 00:05:43,780 --> 00:05:46,940 Speaker 2: does something indecent in life. I'm not talking about between 83 00:05:47,060 --> 00:05:50,780 Speaker 2: sinners and nonsinners, because there are no nonsinners. I'm talking 84 00:05:50,820 --> 00:05:54,380 Speaker 2: about the decent and the guy who pours oil into 85 00:05:54,460 --> 00:06:02,820 Speaker 2: children's eyes, all right, And that and that I have 86 00:06:03,060 --> 00:06:09,180 Speaker 2: come to a tentative conclusion that for all intents and purposes, 87 00:06:10,660 --> 00:06:14,780 Speaker 2: in other words, not I'm not talking now biologically, but 88 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:18,020 Speaker 2: for all intents and purposes, there are two species of 89 00:06:18,100 --> 00:06:23,540 Speaker 2: humans beings in the truly bad and the rest of us, 90 00:06:25,700 --> 00:06:28,339 Speaker 2: not the even decent and indies, and the truly bad 91 00:06:28,820 --> 00:06:31,779 Speaker 2: and the rest of us. Let me give you an example, 92 00:06:31,780 --> 00:06:39,820 Speaker 2: because it doesn't exist anywhere else. It doesn't. Let us say, 93 00:06:39,980 --> 00:06:43,140 Speaker 2: for example, if you knew somebody who could not stand 94 00:06:43,220 --> 00:06:49,540 Speaker 2: any food but preferred tree bark, you would say, this 95 00:06:49,660 --> 00:06:55,140 Speaker 2: person is almost like a member of another species, Homo sapiens. 96 00:06:55,740 --> 00:07:03,739 Speaker 2: Like meat or ice cream or pizza or whatever food 97 00:07:03,780 --> 00:07:08,219 Speaker 2: you like, but not tree bark. So if you knew 98 00:07:08,220 --> 00:07:11,220 Speaker 2: somebody who liked tree bark, or if you knew a 99 00:07:11,260 --> 00:07:14,140 Speaker 2: group of people individuals all over the world who preferred 100 00:07:14,220 --> 00:07:18,380 Speaker 2: tree bark, you would say, it's essentially a different species. 101 00:07:19,220 --> 00:07:22,060 Speaker 2: But we don't have that in food. Yes, there are 102 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,060 Speaker 2: different culinary taste. There are places in the world where 103 00:07:25,060 --> 00:07:28,620 Speaker 2: they like to eat cat, but that's cultural. I mean, 104 00:07:29,100 --> 00:07:31,300 Speaker 2: for all intents and purposes, they like to eat the 105 00:07:31,340 --> 00:07:35,260 Speaker 2: same food as we do. Everybody likes to eat a 106 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:38,260 Speaker 2: living being or a vegetable or a fruit. I mean, 107 00:07:38,260 --> 00:07:41,820 Speaker 2: that's the way it is. That's what we like around 108 00:07:41,820 --> 00:07:48,300 Speaker 2: the world. Everybody, or nearly everybody likes music, and nearly 109 00:07:48,380 --> 00:07:52,180 Speaker 2: every male at least likes watching sports. I mean, we 110 00:07:52,300 --> 00:07:56,340 Speaker 2: have certain things that are just universal. There is one 111 00:07:56,540 --> 00:08:02,180 Speaker 2: area of life where there is an absolute, thick line 112 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:07,260 Speaker 2: of demarcation dividing two groups, and that is on the 113 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:13,620 Speaker 2: issue of evil. There really are people who like and 114 00:08:13,820 --> 00:08:23,860 Speaker 2: love and do hurt others regularly. The existence of those 115 00:08:24,020 --> 00:08:28,820 Speaker 2: people is a riddle to humanity. Many people will argue 116 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:31,700 Speaker 2: it's the work of the devil. Now, I don't happen 117 00:08:31,740 --> 00:08:33,660 Speaker 2: to believe in that, and I'm not going to argue. 118 00:08:33,660 --> 00:08:35,900 Speaker 2: We're not having an hour arguing whether there's a devil. 119 00:08:35,939 --> 00:08:37,860 Speaker 2: It's not my point at all. And I respect those 120 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:40,380 Speaker 2: who believe in the devil. I don't laugh at that. 121 00:08:41,020 --> 00:08:42,980 Speaker 2: I don't happen to believe in it, but I don't 122 00:08:43,059 --> 00:08:45,380 Speaker 2: laugh at it. I'll tell you why I don't laugh 123 00:08:45,420 --> 00:08:48,819 Speaker 2: at it. I don't laugh at it because the problem 124 00:08:48,980 --> 00:08:53,300 Speaker 2: of real evil is so great that it does seem 125 00:08:53,540 --> 00:08:58,260 Speaker 2: to be that there is a supernatural force of evil 126 00:08:58,340 --> 00:09:04,020 Speaker 2: operating here, that that it does seem that way where 127 00:09:04,020 --> 00:09:07,260 Speaker 2: there are people who are who do things that are 128 00:09:07,340 --> 00:09:10,420 Speaker 2: so alien to the rest of us. See see, let 129 00:09:10,420 --> 00:09:13,780 Speaker 2: me explain this again, and it needs explanation, and I'm 130 00:09:13,780 --> 00:09:15,940 Speaker 2: glad you're not calling it. It means you're listening that 131 00:09:15,980 --> 00:09:17,780 Speaker 2: I'll tell you soon. I want to take your calls. 132 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:19,900 Speaker 2: I want your theories, but I want I want to 133 00:09:19,940 --> 00:09:25,100 Speaker 2: bounce these all if you first. You see, every one 134 00:09:25,140 --> 00:09:29,740 Speaker 2: of us basically can understand some evil acts. We don't 135 00:09:29,740 --> 00:09:32,860 Speaker 2: do them because of conscience, but we can understand them. 136 00:09:32,900 --> 00:09:37,340 Speaker 2: I understand I understand murder. Every you. Every one of 137 00:09:37,340 --> 00:09:43,580 Speaker 2: you understands murder under conditions you can you would stop 138 00:09:43,620 --> 00:09:47,260 Speaker 2: yourself because of conscience, but you can understand where you 139 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:50,340 Speaker 2: would want to kill somebody. I have that with slow 140 00:09:50,460 --> 00:09:53,100 Speaker 2: drivers in the left lane, for example, I totally I 141 00:09:53,140 --> 00:09:55,819 Speaker 2: would like to shoot them. I totally understand that I'm 142 00:09:55,820 --> 00:09:59,780 Speaker 2: being tongue in cheek here, but in truth, everybody understands murder, 143 00:09:59,900 --> 00:10:05,740 Speaker 2: everybody understands thievery, and every who doesn't. A guy robs 144 00:10:05,740 --> 00:10:08,220 Speaker 2: a bank, you don't understand that. I can't relate to that, 145 00:10:08,340 --> 00:10:10,500 Speaker 2: but you wouldn't do it because you have a conscience. 146 00:10:10,940 --> 00:10:15,260 Speaker 2: But you can relate to it. But I can't relate 147 00:10:15,380 --> 00:10:18,780 Speaker 2: to the guy who pours boiling oil on kids' eyes 148 00:10:20,020 --> 00:10:22,179 Speaker 2: so that they can and beg for money at a 149 00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:27,300 Speaker 2: double rate because they're blind. I can't relate to the torturer. 150 00:10:29,060 --> 00:10:34,540 Speaker 2: I can't relate to a whole host of I can't 151 00:10:34,580 --> 00:10:41,420 Speaker 2: relate to the suicide bomber that I walk into a 152 00:10:41,500 --> 00:10:44,900 Speaker 2: group of men, women and children in a restaurant, none 153 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:49,420 Speaker 2: of whom have harmed anybody, and I maim and blow 154 00:10:49,460 --> 00:10:52,740 Speaker 2: all of them up because God thinks that's good. There 155 00:10:52,820 --> 00:10:55,460 Speaker 2: is no part of me that's as foreign to me 156 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:57,740 Speaker 2: as the man who pours the oil in the kid's eyes. 157 00:11:00,580 --> 00:11:04,220 Speaker 2: How does this happen? And it almost makes you think 158 00:11:04,220 --> 00:11:08,460 Speaker 2: that there is a different type of species, that is 159 00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:11,020 Speaker 2: a division. I'll give you my four reasons, and I'll 160 00:11:11,060 --> 00:11:13,579 Speaker 2: take your calls when we come back. One to eighth 161 00:11:13,580 --> 00:11:17,140 Speaker 2: Praguer seven seven six, The Ultimate Issues Hour on the 162 00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:18,100 Speaker 2: Dennis Prager Show. 163 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:21,660 Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom book continue right after this. 164 00:11:26,220 --> 00:11:39,620 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom is new. 165 00:11:42,380 --> 00:11:48,900 Speaker 2: No, all right, it is Dennis Prager here the Ultimate 166 00:11:48,940 --> 00:11:53,060 Speaker 2: Issues Hour, One eighth Prager seven seven six. Every week 167 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:56,900 Speaker 2: at this hour I devote the time to some great 168 00:11:56,940 --> 00:12:03,620 Speaker 2: issue of life, and the the issue today is one 169 00:12:03,660 --> 00:12:07,420 Speaker 2: of the biggest. That they're that there is life? Why 170 00:12:07,500 --> 00:12:10,059 Speaker 2: is there evil? Now? And I don't. I don't mean that, 171 00:12:10,179 --> 00:12:11,700 Speaker 2: you know what, why are there evil people? 172 00:12:11,740 --> 00:12:11,780 Speaker 5: Not? 173 00:12:11,860 --> 00:12:14,860 Speaker 2: Why is there evil? It's important we all know why 174 00:12:14,860 --> 00:12:18,460 Speaker 2: there's evil, right, we're made with the freedom of choice. 175 00:12:19,179 --> 00:12:21,060 Speaker 2: I know that, So don't even call an about that. 176 00:12:21,820 --> 00:12:25,100 Speaker 2: Why are some people really evil? I don't mean why 177 00:12:25,100 --> 00:12:28,860 Speaker 2: are their sinners? Everybody's a sinner, so that's not the 178 00:12:28,980 --> 00:12:33,180 Speaker 2: question at all. Why do some people sometimes do a 179 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:37,060 Speaker 2: bad thing? That's not my question. I'm talking about real 180 00:12:37,140 --> 00:12:43,140 Speaker 2: evil where people commit that. Where I mean stories that 181 00:12:43,580 --> 00:12:46,940 Speaker 2: you read and you just shake your head, how could 182 00:12:47,020 --> 00:12:52,220 Speaker 2: somebody do that? We have come to have an answer 183 00:12:52,260 --> 00:12:56,060 Speaker 2: in our lifetime which has served as our version, the 184 00:12:56,220 --> 00:13:02,660 Speaker 2: secular twentieth century version of the devil. It's called sick. 185 00:13:05,620 --> 00:13:09,339 Speaker 2: The devil made me do it and He's sick are 186 00:13:09,460 --> 00:13:14,260 Speaker 2: identical in my eyes. And what they're both saying is 187 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:20,540 Speaker 2: we can't answer the question. And I don't mock either response. 188 00:13:21,220 --> 00:13:26,180 Speaker 2: I just want those who say that he's sick to 189 00:13:26,380 --> 00:13:30,620 Speaker 2: understand that their answer is not one whit better or 190 00:13:30,740 --> 00:13:36,140 Speaker 2: more rational than there is a devil who took somebody over. 191 00:13:37,780 --> 00:13:41,140 Speaker 2: Instead of the devil taking somebody's mind over, sickness took 192 00:13:41,179 --> 00:13:45,220 Speaker 2: somebody's mind over. So it's the same thing sick is, 193 00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:50,740 Speaker 2: as I said, the modern expression of the term satan 194 00:13:51,380 --> 00:13:55,420 Speaker 2: or the devil. So if you believe that, that's fine. 195 00:13:55,980 --> 00:13:59,380 Speaker 2: I'm not here to mock or anything like that. And 196 00:13:59,420 --> 00:14:02,300 Speaker 2: that may be true. It just maybe your mind has 197 00:14:02,340 --> 00:14:06,580 Speaker 2: been warped by satan or by psychological forces beyond your control, 198 00:14:07,060 --> 00:14:09,180 Speaker 2: and it ends the issue. You were taken over by 199 00:14:09,220 --> 00:14:13,820 Speaker 2: sickness or you were taken over by by the devil. 200 00:14:14,140 --> 00:14:19,500 Speaker 2: I'd like to offer you my answers, okay, and they're 201 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:21,660 Speaker 2: not the only ones, but I want to hear from 202 00:14:21,700 --> 00:14:24,860 Speaker 2: you and to add to this because this is obviously big. 203 00:14:24,900 --> 00:14:26,660 Speaker 2: By the way, I intend to do a show on 204 00:14:26,700 --> 00:14:30,220 Speaker 2: why there is good. I consider that to be. And 205 00:14:30,460 --> 00:14:32,020 Speaker 2: you know I'm not talking about the good of a 206 00:14:32,060 --> 00:14:34,380 Speaker 2: mother waking up at night and feeding her child when 207 00:14:34,420 --> 00:14:38,220 Speaker 2: you rather sleep. That's good, of course, that's good. But 208 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:43,780 Speaker 2: I'm talking about heroically good, just as i'm talking about 209 00:14:43,820 --> 00:14:50,260 Speaker 2: devilishly bad. But that's for another time. Now here you go. 210 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:53,500 Speaker 2: I would like to give you five brief ones, every 211 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:56,420 Speaker 2: one of which might get its own ultimate issues hour book. 212 00:14:56,780 --> 00:15:02,260 Speaker 2: I'll play that by ear all right. Number one is 213 00:15:02,340 --> 00:15:08,700 Speaker 2: a lack of empathy. You do not see yourself in 214 00:15:08,980 --> 00:15:15,020 Speaker 2: the person that you are hurting. Now, this may not 215 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:19,460 Speaker 2: be an explanation, It may just be a description, because 216 00:15:19,660 --> 00:15:23,220 Speaker 2: it just the question, how come some people don't have 217 00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:27,420 Speaker 2: a sense of empathy? See when I and I don't 218 00:15:27,420 --> 00:15:30,740 Speaker 2: believe that I am any you know, terrific for this. 219 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:35,060 Speaker 2: I'm just explaining how I am morally normal person which 220 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:40,140 Speaker 2: I am, reacts to seeing evil or reading about it. 221 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:46,140 Speaker 2: I when when when I saw in this film slum 222 00:15:46,180 --> 00:15:52,620 Speaker 2: Dog Millionaire, the man blinding the children, My first thought was, 223 00:15:52,660 --> 00:15:55,740 Speaker 2: how could he do this? Doesn't he see himself or 224 00:15:55,780 --> 00:16:00,340 Speaker 2: his own child if he has one in that child? 225 00:16:01,700 --> 00:16:05,180 Speaker 2: Isn't he realizing how awful that is? Because if it 226 00:16:05,220 --> 00:16:12,260 Speaker 2: would happen to him? Apparently not, for whatever reason, there 227 00:16:12,380 --> 00:16:15,940 Speaker 2: is a disconnect in the in the in those who 228 00:16:16,020 --> 00:16:20,180 Speaker 2: do true evil. In the Manson Gang, they did not 229 00:16:20,340 --> 00:16:25,780 Speaker 2: see in their victims themselves. They were the the The 230 00:16:25,980 --> 00:16:30,660 Speaker 2: Nazis saw the Jews as not of the human race. 231 00:16:31,660 --> 00:16:35,380 Speaker 2: So you could you could burn children alive, it would 232 00:16:35,380 --> 00:16:45,300 Speaker 2: be like burning an insect. Number two, a personal sadism. 233 00:16:46,620 --> 00:16:50,900 Speaker 2: I joy in watching others suffer. What can I say? 234 00:16:50,940 --> 00:16:53,060 Speaker 2: I mean that There's not much more to be said 235 00:16:53,100 --> 00:16:58,420 Speaker 2: about that except where does that come from. Number three 236 00:16:58,940 --> 00:17:04,340 Speaker 2: people who believe lies. If you really believed that blacks 237 00:17:04,379 --> 00:17:09,219 Speaker 2: were subhuman, then you could enslave them. It's it. It's 238 00:17:09,260 --> 00:17:13,619 Speaker 2: not as simple as that. But you had to believe 239 00:17:13,659 --> 00:17:18,740 Speaker 2: a lie that that that skin color determined your worth, 240 00:17:20,820 --> 00:17:23,340 Speaker 2: and so if you believe the lie, then you could 241 00:17:23,340 --> 00:17:29,740 Speaker 2: act on it. Number four seeing oneself as a victim. 242 00:17:29,979 --> 00:17:32,979 Speaker 2: This is one of the biggest, perhaps the biggest source 243 00:17:33,060 --> 00:17:38,540 Speaker 2: at least an hour time, where both individually and collectively, 244 00:17:38,979 --> 00:17:42,660 Speaker 2: you walk around and your primary identity is as a victim. 245 00:17:43,459 --> 00:17:48,179 Speaker 2: If you think, if your primary identity is I have 246 00:17:48,340 --> 00:17:52,619 Speaker 2: been screwed by the world or by others, then you 247 00:17:53,300 --> 00:17:58,539 Speaker 2: are almost definitely going to do something evil or support evil, 248 00:18:00,100 --> 00:18:04,459 Speaker 2: because it gives you a sort of license to do so, 249 00:18:04,659 --> 00:18:07,859 Speaker 2: and you are so angry at the world you will 250 00:18:07,979 --> 00:18:13,259 Speaker 2: lash out. The suicide terrorist is first and foremost a 251 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:22,499 Speaker 2: believer in his victimhood. And Number five fathers. It is 252 00:18:22,659 --> 00:18:27,659 Speaker 2: pretty rare that a and most great evil is done 253 00:18:27,659 --> 00:18:32,899 Speaker 2: by males. It's hard to imagine, although I'm sure it 254 00:18:32,939 --> 00:18:36,459 Speaker 2: has happened that a male who has done great evil 255 00:18:37,139 --> 00:18:39,820 Speaker 2: was bonded to his father, who was a good man. 256 00:18:42,179 --> 00:18:49,619 Speaker 2: Bonded to a good man father is almost a guarranteur 257 00:18:49,899 --> 00:18:57,179 Speaker 2: of non evil. All right, there you go. That's a 258 00:18:57,219 --> 00:19:01,539 Speaker 2: lifetime of thought in three minutes on something that I 259 00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:05,059 Speaker 2: have been preoccupied with since I was a child, and 260 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:08,739 Speaker 2: that is how could people hurt others in such awful ways? 261 00:19:09,179 --> 00:19:12,219 Speaker 2: Of course, people hurt others in ways that you know, 262 00:19:12,020 --> 00:19:15,340 Speaker 2: you know, people gossip about others, and people will hurt 263 00:19:15,379 --> 00:19:19,500 Speaker 2: others in the workplace, you know, doing something dishonest, which 264 00:19:19,540 --> 00:19:23,059 Speaker 2: is inexcusable, but it's not not in the realm of 265 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:25,259 Speaker 2: the evil that troubled me since I am a child. 266 00:19:26,020 --> 00:19:29,379 Speaker 2: So I will take your additions. I have these five 267 00:19:32,260 --> 00:19:35,899 Speaker 2: and they I think they do a fairly good job 268 00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:41,499 Speaker 2: of describing why people will do evil. If there's a sixth, 269 00:19:41,780 --> 00:19:44,779 Speaker 2: I'm very interested to hear from you. You are listening 270 00:19:44,780 --> 00:19:48,540 Speaker 2: to the Dennis Prager Show, most specifically the Ultimate Issues hour, 271 00:19:48,580 --> 00:19:50,740 Speaker 2: and you can write to me through Prager Radio dot 272 00:19:50,739 --> 00:19:52,419 Speaker 2: com or Dennis Prager dot com. 273 00:19:52,419 --> 00:19:55,100 Speaker 1: We continue this episode of Timeless Wisdom. 274 00:19:55,260 --> 00:19:56,499 Speaker 2: Will continue right after this. 275 00:20:01,060 --> 00:20:13,739 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom. 276 00:20:13,939 --> 00:20:17,460 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Dennis Prager Show. A reminder, by 277 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:21,100 Speaker 2: the way, that there is such a thing as prager Tope, 278 00:20:21,580 --> 00:20:25,820 Speaker 2: which you find at either of my websites, and through 279 00:20:25,859 --> 00:20:30,260 Speaker 2: it at an very very very cheap rate, you listen 280 00:20:30,379 --> 00:20:35,859 Speaker 2: to my show anytime, commercial free and in the highest fidelity. 281 00:20:35,939 --> 00:20:38,219 Speaker 2: It's a great gift to yourself. If there's such a 282 00:20:38,219 --> 00:20:41,540 Speaker 2: thing as a gift to oneself. It's always a philosophical question, 283 00:20:41,659 --> 00:20:43,419 Speaker 2: is there such a thing as a gift to oneself? 284 00:20:43,899 --> 00:20:47,060 Speaker 2: And certainly a gift to others. Again, it's at Pragueertopia, 285 00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:49,979 Speaker 2: which you've click on and you can get all of 286 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:53,699 Speaker 2: my shows. I this is. I'm sure it doesn't sound humble, 287 00:20:53,739 --> 00:20:56,619 Speaker 2: but so I'll live with that. I think that most 288 00:20:56,619 --> 00:21:00,899 Speaker 2: of the hours are worth hearing again and playing for others, 289 00:21:01,219 --> 00:21:03,939 Speaker 2: et cetera. So it's praguer toopia. I think we're talking 290 00:21:03,979 --> 00:21:08,019 Speaker 2: six ninety five a month, which I was going to 291 00:21:08,060 --> 00:21:09,979 Speaker 2: say is the price of a movie, but having just 292 00:21:10,060 --> 00:21:14,540 Speaker 2: attended movies that cost one was twelve dollars in one 293 00:21:14,820 --> 00:21:19,139 Speaker 2: was what thirteen? So at half the cost of a 294 00:21:19,179 --> 00:21:24,859 Speaker 2: movie of one a whole month of my show at 295 00:21:25,179 --> 00:21:27,459 Speaker 2: how much can I go on with this? At the 296 00:21:27,500 --> 00:21:36,500 Speaker 2: cost of two slices of pizza at the All right, 297 00:21:36,580 --> 00:21:41,020 Speaker 2: my friends, the ultimate issues our Why do people commit evil? 298 00:21:42,659 --> 00:21:45,060 Speaker 2: And I mean real evil, I don't I don't even 299 00:21:45,100 --> 00:21:48,619 Speaker 2: mean bank robbery, I mean real, real evil. I mean 300 00:21:48,619 --> 00:21:52,700 Speaker 2: that's evil obviously, but I understand that the money's there 301 00:21:52,739 --> 00:21:56,299 Speaker 2: and they don't have much of a conscience. Okay, but 302 00:21:57,820 --> 00:22:00,939 Speaker 2: blinding orphans so that you can get them to beg 303 00:22:01,060 --> 00:22:05,939 Speaker 2: for you, as in this very powerful movie that I described, 304 00:22:06,419 --> 00:22:10,059 Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Suicide bombers, where the purpose is 305 00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:13,459 Speaker 2: to maim and kill as many innocent people as possible. 306 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:19,180 Speaker 2: These are these are things that just defy the normal explanation. 307 00:22:19,540 --> 00:22:21,379 Speaker 2: By the way, let me just say a word here, 308 00:22:21,419 --> 00:22:24,859 Speaker 2: because I see Cindy in Texas wants to know, do 309 00:22:24,979 --> 00:22:28,340 Speaker 2: I really have somebody named Roy on the show who 310 00:22:28,419 --> 00:22:31,419 Speaker 2: really doesn't think that this guy? And everybody here is 311 00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:36,139 Speaker 2: laughing because poor Roy now has his name maligned around 312 00:22:36,179 --> 00:22:41,139 Speaker 2: the world, folks, I have there are two types of 313 00:22:41,179 --> 00:22:43,619 Speaker 2: humor that you just have to know. One is dark 314 00:22:44,219 --> 00:22:47,780 Speaker 2: and the other is male. Male guys who like each 315 00:22:47,780 --> 00:22:52,819 Speaker 2: other insult each other. And it was it was in 316 00:22:52,899 --> 00:22:55,459 Speaker 2: light of that that I made up this this h 317 00:22:56,459 --> 00:22:59,419 Speaker 2: I saw Roy shaking his head. He was it was self. 318 00:23:00,459 --> 00:23:04,539 Speaker 2: You know what is the word self? Whatever humor that 319 00:23:04,619 --> 00:23:06,700 Speaker 2: he was engaged in. Okay, be that as it may. 320 00:23:06,739 --> 00:23:09,139 Speaker 2: Of course, Cindy, there's nobody who works on the Dennis 321 00:23:09,179 --> 00:23:12,859 Speaker 2: Prager Show who thinks it's okay to blind children so 322 00:23:12,899 --> 00:23:15,979 Speaker 2: that they can beg for double the money. Not even Roy. 323 00:23:16,139 --> 00:23:18,260 Speaker 2: That is right, Dave, Dave, do not point at Roy 324 00:23:18,739 --> 00:23:21,459 Speaker 2: because Cindy might think that he your leaguest send me. 325 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:25,500 Speaker 2: Thank you for your sensitivity. Folks, don't worry. Okay, let's 326 00:23:25,540 --> 00:23:29,659 Speaker 2: go to Dallas, Texas and John. Hello, John, Dennis. 327 00:23:29,300 --> 00:23:31,299 Speaker 3: Prager, Hey, Dennis, how are you? 328 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:33,459 Speaker 2: I'm well? Thank you good. 329 00:23:33,939 --> 00:23:39,260 Speaker 3: My opinion, Dennis, is that I believe that man's genuine, 330 00:23:39,699 --> 00:23:42,700 Speaker 3: genuine bend is towards depravity, not for good, like many 331 00:23:42,780 --> 00:23:46,459 Speaker 3: humanists believe. And I think a compelling argument for that is, 332 00:23:46,859 --> 00:23:50,259 Speaker 3: look at children. You don't have to teach a child 333 00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:55,460 Speaker 3: to hurt other children, or to lie or to covet 334 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:59,300 Speaker 3: their toys. You have to teach a child to tell 335 00:23:59,340 --> 00:24:00,939 Speaker 3: the truth, to be kind. 336 00:24:01,139 --> 00:24:04,260 Speaker 2: I have a different way of phrasing it, John, I said, 337 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:08,979 Speaker 2: I don't believe that we are born depraved. I believe 338 00:24:09,020 --> 00:24:11,580 Speaker 2: that we are not born good. And that's where I 339 00:24:11,619 --> 00:24:14,379 Speaker 2: do differ exactly, and that's the biggest difference I have 340 00:24:14,500 --> 00:24:18,619 Speaker 2: with the humanists and the whole social liberal view of 341 00:24:18,659 --> 00:24:22,419 Speaker 2: the world. But there are a lot of kids who 342 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:26,699 Speaker 2: are not born that way. Interestingly enough, there are kids. 343 00:24:26,739 --> 00:24:27,499 Speaker 2: Do you have kids? 344 00:24:28,739 --> 00:24:29,100 Speaker 6: I do? 345 00:24:29,780 --> 00:24:30,819 Speaker 2: How many kids do you have? 346 00:24:31,540 --> 00:24:34,179 Speaker 3: I have a ninth twelve eighteen year old daughter. 347 00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:37,859 Speaker 2: Okay, so maybe it isn't fair to ask, because usually 348 00:24:37,859 --> 00:24:39,659 Speaker 2: one has to have a few kids to see this. 349 00:24:39,780 --> 00:24:42,580 Speaker 2: But I'm sure you've seen this. There are kids who 350 00:24:42,619 --> 00:24:45,059 Speaker 2: seem to come out of the womb with a certain 351 00:24:45,219 --> 00:24:48,540 Speaker 2: kindness and gentleness of soul, and there are kids who 352 00:24:48,580 --> 00:24:51,859 Speaker 2: come out of the womb, you know, quite hard bitten 353 00:24:51,939 --> 00:24:55,699 Speaker 2: and so on. And so it's a mixed bag in 354 00:24:55,780 --> 00:25:00,660 Speaker 2: that way. But I just modifying what John said, And 355 00:25:00,699 --> 00:25:03,820 Speaker 2: this was the first subject I ever talked about when 356 00:25:03,859 --> 00:25:06,939 Speaker 2: I had my own radio show. Are people basically good? 357 00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:09,820 Speaker 2: By the way? In my favorite of my four books, 358 00:25:09,859 --> 00:25:12,939 Speaker 2: and I'd love all my four books, Think a Second Time, 359 00:25:12,979 --> 00:25:15,700 Speaker 2: which is forty is at forty four of my essays. 360 00:25:16,260 --> 00:25:20,379 Speaker 2: One of them is on the nonsense that people are 361 00:25:20,379 --> 00:25:24,019 Speaker 2: born and good and the nonsense that has pervayed a 362 00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:26,979 Speaker 2: Western society, believing that back in a moment on the 363 00:25:27,060 --> 00:25:28,020 Speaker 2: Ultimate Issues Hour. 364 00:25:28,619 --> 00:25:31,939 Speaker 1: This episode of Timeless Wisdom will continue right after this. 365 00:25:36,459 --> 00:25:41,739 Speaker 1: Now back to more of Dennis Prager's Timeless Wisdom. 366 00:25:41,859 --> 00:25:44,379 Speaker 2: This is the Ultimate Issues Hour on the Dennis Prager Show. 367 00:25:44,419 --> 00:25:47,780 Speaker 2: I'm Dennis Prager. Thanks for being with me. I offer 368 00:25:47,859 --> 00:25:54,140 Speaker 2: you five reasons after a lifetime, a lifetime of reading, thinking, interviewing, 369 00:25:55,619 --> 00:25:59,219 Speaker 2: and talking to people around the world about the subject 370 00:25:59,300 --> 00:26:01,819 Speaker 2: of why people do evil, not why they sin, not 371 00:26:01,899 --> 00:26:05,619 Speaker 2: why they do bad. But I'm talking real evil. One 372 00:26:05,699 --> 00:26:10,900 Speaker 2: eighth Prager seven seven six is the number. And I 373 00:26:11,179 --> 00:26:15,100 Speaker 2: completely understand why people will just throw up their hands 374 00:26:15,219 --> 00:26:20,179 Speaker 2: and say the devil or sick because there is a 375 00:26:20,300 --> 00:26:24,179 Speaker 2: gulf between the rest of humanity and those who do 376 00:26:24,340 --> 00:26:27,499 Speaker 2: real evil. Not that there are no members of the 377 00:26:27,540 --> 00:26:31,019 Speaker 2: rest of humanity who, under certain circumstances could could do 378 00:26:31,139 --> 00:26:36,179 Speaker 2: that evil. That is possible. But I don't buy the 379 00:26:36,219 --> 00:26:41,659 Speaker 2: notion that everybody is a torturer inside. I don't buy that. 380 00:26:43,540 --> 00:26:48,739 Speaker 2: I don't I don't buy the notion that you know 381 00:26:49,859 --> 00:26:55,340 Speaker 2: that somehow could I could be persuaded to a blind 382 00:26:55,379 --> 00:26:58,019 Speaker 2: a child so that I get more money from his begging. 383 00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:02,979 Speaker 2: As I gave the example from slum Dog Millionaire, that 384 00:27:03,419 --> 00:27:08,739 Speaker 2: powerful film one A Praguer seven seven six, and we 385 00:27:08,859 --> 00:27:14,659 Speaker 2: go to Atlanta, Georgia and Jim Hi Jim Dennis Prager. 386 00:27:14,459 --> 00:27:17,379 Speaker 4: Hey, Dennis Hi. Well, if that's one of those questions, 387 00:27:17,419 --> 00:27:20,179 Speaker 4: this whole thing is one thing that's kind of faceting me. Also, 388 00:27:20,659 --> 00:27:24,459 Speaker 4: And I've noticed at times there aren't people who seem 389 00:27:24,500 --> 00:27:26,980 Speaker 4: to get a weird kind of kick or thrill out 390 00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:31,859 Speaker 4: of it doing evil just because they can. That's right, 391 00:27:32,419 --> 00:27:34,139 Speaker 4: And I don't know if that fits. 392 00:27:34,979 --> 00:27:37,939 Speaker 2: That's, in other words, not so much because they enjoy 393 00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:41,179 Speaker 2: it as a sadist, but because they can get away 394 00:27:41,179 --> 00:27:48,379 Speaker 2: with it. I think that's true for anti social acts. 395 00:27:48,419 --> 00:27:52,579 Speaker 2: I'm not sure it's true for evil. It's in other words, 396 00:27:52,659 --> 00:27:58,139 Speaker 2: you know, there's a I don't know, a kid who 397 00:27:58,219 --> 00:28:04,659 Speaker 2: will a kid who will I don't know. Let's say, 398 00:28:04,780 --> 00:28:08,020 Speaker 2: throw rocks down from a bridge at a freeway, which 399 00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:11,939 Speaker 2: isn't which is evil, But it isn't because of the 400 00:28:12,100 --> 00:28:16,899 Speaker 2: joy of killing. It is because of the thrill of 401 00:28:16,939 --> 00:28:21,739 Speaker 2: doing something so wrong. Yeah, right, But all right, but 402 00:28:21,820 --> 00:28:25,379 Speaker 2: you're right then in other words, I'm not taking issue 403 00:28:25,379 --> 00:28:28,459 Speaker 2: with you. That's a very interesting point, the thrill of 404 00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:33,099 Speaker 2: the Anti Social Act. Yeah, I think though that that 405 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:36,340 Speaker 2: is a very small percentage, and I'm trying to work 406 00:28:36,340 --> 00:28:43,380 Speaker 2: on the larger percentages. Okay, then I'm sorry. Oh okay, 407 00:28:43,620 --> 00:28:46,100 Speaker 2: a very thoughtful call, Jim, I thank you very much. 408 00:28:46,660 --> 00:28:53,620 Speaker 2: One eighth Prager seven seven six and Elizabeth Bowling Green, Missouri. Hello, 409 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:55,300 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dennis Prager. 410 00:28:55,260 --> 00:28:57,779 Speaker 7: Hello, mister Prager. And I actually had two points, but 411 00:28:57,820 --> 00:28:59,580 Speaker 7: I think I'm going to go with the most important 412 00:28:59,620 --> 00:29:02,060 Speaker 7: one to your issue here as I see it. Yes, 413 00:29:02,420 --> 00:29:05,539 Speaker 7: I've worked as a teacher and a substitute teacher, and 414 00:29:05,620 --> 00:29:08,660 Speaker 7: every so often as teachers, we see the students that 415 00:29:09,260 --> 00:29:11,180 Speaker 7: I think are the ones that hit the molds you're 416 00:29:11,219 --> 00:29:13,499 Speaker 7: talking about here, the ones that actually seem. 417 00:29:13,300 --> 00:29:15,420 Speaker 2: To be cruel. 418 00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:18,180 Speaker 7: Yes, I'm not talking about the rule breaker, that's right, 419 00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:21,620 Speaker 7: the cruel right, Yeah, that's the cruel one. And I 420 00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:23,779 Speaker 7: think a problem we have in the school is that 421 00:29:23,860 --> 00:29:28,979 Speaker 7: the school systems and character education encourage teachers not to 422 00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:32,979 Speaker 7: say to students that is wrong, that is bad, that 423 00:29:33,140 --> 00:29:37,900 Speaker 7: is cruel, what you're doing is wrong. Instead, we use phrases. 424 00:29:37,979 --> 00:29:42,459 Speaker 7: Now as teachers, that's not a very good choice. And 425 00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:45,499 Speaker 7: so we're encouraging them and their behaviors not to feel 426 00:29:45,540 --> 00:29:47,940 Speaker 7: bad because we don't want students to feel bad. We 427 00:29:47,979 --> 00:29:51,140 Speaker 7: don't want to hurt their self esteem. We can't guide 428 00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:54,460 Speaker 7: these students away from a wrong instinct that they may 429 00:29:54,459 --> 00:29:55,060 Speaker 7: already have. 430 00:29:56,580 --> 00:30:00,620 Speaker 2: Why you are terrific. That is exactly right. That has 431 00:30:00,700 --> 00:30:05,099 Speaker 2: been in place since the sixties seventies. It's like you 432 00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:07,979 Speaker 2: don't mark with a red pencil anymore as a teacher, 433 00:30:08,020 --> 00:30:10,299 Speaker 2: but a blue pencil. Have you been told that in 434 00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:10,860 Speaker 2: your school? 435 00:30:11,300 --> 00:30:11,420 Speaker 6: Oh? 436 00:30:11,500 --> 00:30:15,259 Speaker 7: Yeah, green, purple blue, because red makes people feel bad? Yes? 437 00:30:15,820 --> 00:30:19,459 Speaker 2: I wonder how many people knew about that change. First 438 00:30:19,459 --> 00:30:23,219 Speaker 2: of all, what's wrong with feel bad? You know? I 439 00:30:23,380 --> 00:30:26,140 Speaker 2: just don't you know? There are times you should feel bad. 440 00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:31,300 Speaker 2: That's the irony, Elizabeth. Your students are lucky. Thank you? 441 00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:33,540 Speaker 7: Do you have a good day? 442 00:30:33,580 --> 00:30:37,900 Speaker 2: Mister? Thank you very much. Alan? Where is Bowling Green, Missouri? 443 00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:42,020 Speaker 2: Why didn't I ask her she lives? There? Is that pathetic? 444 00:30:42,940 --> 00:30:45,580 Speaker 2: Let the lady go? When I ask Alan, who doesn't 445 00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:51,940 Speaker 2: I know it's on the Mississippi River. Must be nice. 446 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:56,940 Speaker 2: Sometimes I want to live in a place like Bowling Green, Missouri. 447 00:30:58,180 --> 00:31:01,300 Speaker 2: Does every I don't think everybody has that anyway. I 448 00:31:01,340 --> 00:31:03,820 Speaker 2: don't want to get sidetracked, but it's I wonder how 449 00:31:03,860 --> 00:31:08,140 Speaker 2: many people in urban areas have rural envy every so often? 450 00:31:09,900 --> 00:31:13,740 Speaker 2: I do you? All of you are nodding your head, 451 00:31:13,780 --> 00:31:16,780 Speaker 2: except for Dave. He didn't know the word envy. Tell 452 00:31:17,219 --> 00:31:23,940 Speaker 2: was it rural? Was it rural? Rural? Got him confused? Yeah, 453 00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:26,299 Speaker 2: I told you. This is what guys do to other guys. 454 00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:29,579 Speaker 2: This is what we do. All right, let's go to Vineland, 455 00:31:29,739 --> 00:31:33,420 Speaker 2: New Jersey. Daniel, Hello, Daniel, Dennis Prager, how are you doing? 456 00:31:33,459 --> 00:31:33,819 Speaker 5: Dennis? 457 00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:34,700 Speaker 2: All right? Thank you. 458 00:31:35,020 --> 00:31:36,580 Speaker 5: I want to tell you that I think you're great. 459 00:31:37,340 --> 00:31:38,540 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much. 460 00:31:40,459 --> 00:31:45,979 Speaker 5: My suggestion is just that man naturally worships himself. You 461 00:31:46,020 --> 00:31:49,339 Speaker 5: mentioned like lack of empathy, and I just see that 462 00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:52,340 Speaker 5: as as really just a simple In the end, I think, 463 00:31:52,380 --> 00:31:54,060 Speaker 5: I don't know if you believe in like an end time, 464 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:56,300 Speaker 5: you know, the end of the world, if you will, 465 00:31:57,140 --> 00:31:58,900 Speaker 5: But I think in the end, we're gonna see man 466 00:31:59,140 --> 00:32:03,539 Speaker 5: ultimately water down all religions and just worship themselves. And 467 00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:07,700 Speaker 5: I think that that's what causes extreme evil today. 468 00:32:08,860 --> 00:32:11,740 Speaker 2: Oh, I think self worship is a very real problem. 469 00:32:11,820 --> 00:32:14,620 Speaker 2: And the truth is if you don't have God above you, 470 00:32:14,739 --> 00:32:17,459 Speaker 2: why wouldn't you worship yourself? You are the highest being. 471 00:32:18,979 --> 00:32:21,780 Speaker 2: And I say this with all respect to atheists, many 472 00:32:21,820 --> 00:32:26,180 Speaker 2: of whom were wonderful people. But it's very hard. I mean, 473 00:32:26,260 --> 00:32:28,940 Speaker 2: you could say, well, I don't worship anything, but in 474 00:32:28,979 --> 00:32:32,140 Speaker 2: a certain sense that's impossible. Something has to be the 475 00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:35,540 Speaker 2: highest being. And if there's no God above you, then 476 00:32:35,580 --> 00:32:38,059 Speaker 2: you're the highest being. It reminds me of that a 477 00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:42,539 Speaker 2: great phrase I once heard about a rich man. So 478 00:32:42,620 --> 00:32:44,860 Speaker 2: and so was a self made man, and he worships 479 00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:48,700 Speaker 2: his creator. You're listening to the Dennis Praeger Show, The 480 00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:49,740 Speaker 2: Ultimate Issues Hour. 481 00:32:55,260 --> 00:33:00,380 Speaker 6: I chose a bolicec is no toys, It's ten news. 482 00:33:00,580 --> 00:33:04,540 Speaker 2: Steeple an't hildren. If you've gotten this secret, just time 483 00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:07,340 Speaker 2: out to post un man. 484 00:33:09,380 --> 00:33:15,380 Speaker 1: A lucky man, give meaning cheat them? 485 00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:21,340 Speaker 2: So will you are lucky man? Hi? Everybody the Spragger here. 486 00:33:22,979 --> 00:33:28,340 Speaker 2: Ultimate Issues Hour on the great riddle of great evil, 487 00:33:29,020 --> 00:33:36,099 Speaker 2: not sin, not bad evil. And I'll tell you this, 488 00:33:36,300 --> 00:33:39,940 Speaker 2: there is there is one line. There's a biblical line 489 00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:43,299 Speaker 2: that I think of when I when I think of 490 00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:47,580 Speaker 2: those who truly do evil. I'm talking about the Charles 491 00:33:47,580 --> 00:33:52,499 Speaker 2: Manson types, the Nazi types, the the the suicide, the 492 00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:57,259 Speaker 2: terrorist types, the guy who blinds the kids orphans to 493 00:33:57,340 --> 00:34:00,499 Speaker 2: collect money as they beg as blind kids. That's what 494 00:34:00,540 --> 00:34:03,940 Speaker 2: I'm talking about here, not bank robbers. And then the 495 00:34:04,060 --> 00:34:06,140 Speaker 2: you know, the run of the milk criminal who's doing 496 00:34:06,140 --> 00:34:09,060 Speaker 2: a very bad thing. Don't get me wrong, but you know, 497 00:34:10,020 --> 00:34:14,140 Speaker 2: there's a there's a difference and and I'm thinking of 498 00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:17,660 Speaker 2: the biblical phrase and you shall burn out the evil 499 00:34:17,700 --> 00:34:21,700 Speaker 2: from your midst. There is there is a certain evil 500 00:34:23,380 --> 00:34:28,339 Speaker 2: for whom. Uh. It's just hard to imagine any other 501 00:34:28,420 --> 00:34:31,580 Speaker 2: response than than the burning out of that of that crowd. 502 00:34:33,219 --> 00:34:37,900 Speaker 2: I don't know what else can be done. It's Charlie 503 00:34:37,940 --> 00:34:41,419 Speaker 2: Manson been rehabilitated. I mean, you know, it's a it's 504 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:43,620 Speaker 2: a waste of every penny that is spent on this 505 00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:45,620 Speaker 2: man that he is still alive. But bothers me, It 506 00:34:45,660 --> 00:34:53,060 Speaker 2: actually bothers me. Ah, alrighty, and uh, let's go to 507 00:34:53,420 --> 00:34:56,140 Speaker 2: uh Atlanta again. Got a lot of people in Atlanta 508 00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:59,459 Speaker 2: thinking about evil? Is there any connection, Bob, Is there 509 00:34:59,460 --> 00:35:02,180 Speaker 2: a connection between living in Atlanta and thinking about evil? 510 00:35:02,739 --> 00:35:04,780 Speaker 6: I came from New York originally, so I don't think. 511 00:35:05,620 --> 00:35:06,940 Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. 512 00:35:07,219 --> 00:35:09,380 Speaker 6: But I got, I got a view. That's a sixth 513 00:35:09,460 --> 00:35:13,060 Speaker 6: item for you as power. I think that, and I 514 00:35:13,060 --> 00:35:16,660 Speaker 6: can give you several examples from I know Stalin to 515 00:35:16,779 --> 00:35:19,420 Speaker 6: Vito Genovies to a local gang member. 516 00:35:19,580 --> 00:35:23,820 Speaker 2: You know what you right? You are right. I forgot 517 00:35:23,859 --> 00:35:28,180 Speaker 2: about that, and you are right that the the yearning 518 00:35:28,259 --> 00:35:31,460 Speaker 2: for power is so great they will do anything, including 519 00:35:31,859 --> 00:35:33,019 Speaker 2: vast cruelty, to. 520 00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:35,779 Speaker 6: Have it, and it scares everybody from challenging that. 521 00:35:35,859 --> 00:35:39,219 Speaker 2: PA. Yes, that's that's the male biography I'm reading now, 522 00:35:39,259 --> 00:35:43,580 Speaker 2: That's exactly what it's about. Who did immense, immensely cruel things. 523 00:35:43,739 --> 00:35:49,060 Speaker 2: You're good, You are good. Thank you, Bob John and Ohio, 524 00:35:49,259 --> 00:35:53,180 Speaker 2: Bennett Sacramento, Jim and Queens, New York, and two other 525 00:35:53,259 --> 00:35:55,420 Speaker 2: lines whose names are not up yet. I wish I 526 00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:57,779 Speaker 2: could take your calls. 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