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Speaker 1: I'm Joshammer and this is the Josh Shammer Show. Two

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Speaker 1: great guests join us later in today's show. Frank Gaffey

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Speaker 1: joins us to discuss the war against Iran, and Joe Burley,

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Speaker 1: former Republican leader of the New York City Council, joins

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Speaker 1: us to discuss what is happening with Zori Mamdani there

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Speaker 1: in the Big Apple. But for now we begin with

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Speaker 1: this operation. Epic Fury is now well into its second

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Speaker 1: week and questions are starting to bubble as to what

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Speaker 1: exactly this is ultimately going to lead to, how is

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Speaker 1: it going, what is the state of play? What exactly

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Speaker 1: are we doing? There are energy markets at this point

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Speaker 1: so sufficiently down have they been sober? There are a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions in short as to what exactly is

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Speaker 1: happening when it comes to what continues to be a

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Speaker 1: joint by national military operation between the United States and

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Speaker 1: our Israeli allies against the Islamic Republic of Iran. So

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Speaker 1: at this point, the most top level takeaway is that

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Speaker 1: we have seen staggering military success. Seemingly every day there

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Speaker 1: are new reports of military success, and that is the

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Speaker 1: number one most important thing emphasize there, and certainly at

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Speaker 1: this morning's joint press conference at the Pentagon with the

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Speaker 1: US Secretary of Warpetech Seth as well as the Chairman

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Speaker 1: of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Dan raising Kane.

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Speaker 1: As he has known, that was definitely something that was

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Speaker 1: emphasized over and over and over again. Now, this press

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Speaker 1: comms this morning at the Pentagon came in light of

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Speaker 1: a similar conference in Dural, Florida, where President Trump spoke

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Speaker 1: to reporters to the media about, among other topics, the

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Speaker 1: war in Iran. He spoke on that Monday evening and

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Speaker 1: there were some people that, you know, when the Federal

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Speaker 1: Reserve of the Nation Central Bank releases the minutes of

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Speaker 1: their meeting, you have a lot of investors that are

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Speaker 1: trying to do this kind of strousy and interpretation where

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Speaker 1: you try to get the hidden meeting between the lines there.

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Speaker 1: What is he really trying to say when it comes

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Speaker 1: to potential interest rate rejection, Well, there are a lot

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Speaker 1: of folks that were trying to essentially do that. When

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Speaker 1: it came to Donald Trump's remarks at Durrell last night,

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Speaker 1: President Trump saying, among other things, that we are very close,

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Speaker 1: very close potentially to having the end of operations there,

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Speaker 1: and various Beltway publications like Politico were essentially saying that

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Speaker 1: he is now shifting his tone at this point there,

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Speaker 1: and sure enough, the Wall Street Journal also is reporting

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Speaker 1: that Trump advisors are urging him to find in a

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Speaker 1: raw exit ramp because they fear political backlash. And this

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Speaker 1: was in the context of his remarks in dul Florida

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Speaker 1: that the war will be ending very soon. So what

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Speaker 1: exactly does that mean. On the other hand, of course,

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Speaker 1: let's not forget that it was over this past week

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Speaker 1: and the Donald Trump posted to his true social accounts

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Speaker 1: that he will not accept anything less than unconditional surrender. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he literally used that phrase, unconditional surrender. And he has

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Speaker 1: made very very clear. He couldn't be clear about this,

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Speaker 1: that the current the current man who is the new

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Speaker 1: Supreme Leader mu Chaba Kamine, who is the son of

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Speaker 1: knows that yet, because there's all these rumors swirling that

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Speaker 1: he actually might have been incapacitated, his leg might have

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Speaker 1: rumor that he's potentially in a coma. He might not

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Speaker 1: even be conscious, might not even know that he's a

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Speaker 1: new Supreme leader. We don't know. It's all a lot

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Speaker 1: of rumors flying there. But one thing that Trump has

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Speaker 1: made very clear is that Kameyi the younger, he's not

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Speaker 1: really that young, he's fifty six years old. But this

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Speaker 1: guy is not acceptable. This, in other words, is not

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Speaker 1: unconditional surrender. So regardless of whether Trump is saying that

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Speaker 1: his own stipulated terms, thus far, this conflict is currently

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Speaker 1: at something of an impasse unless and until there is

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Speaker 1: a change, perhaps at most in the composition of the regime,

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Speaker 1: exile crown Prince raise a Polavi to essentially parachute him.

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Speaker 1: Apparently I'm told he's got a two hundred page PowerPoint

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Speaker 1: death that he's been working on for decades as to

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Speaker 1: how to actually get a transition government going. That is

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Speaker 1: clearly the ideal situation something along those lines. Whether we

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Speaker 2: Pentagon, where we are is in a very strong place

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Speaker 2: giving the President of the United States maximum options, and

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Speaker 2: from the beginning from this party, we haven't stated how

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Speaker 2: long it will take. Our will is endless. Ultimately the

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Speaker 2: President gets to determine the end state of those objectives. Right.

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Speaker 2: But but what he's said continually I want the American

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Speaker 2: people to understand is this is not endless. It's not protracted.

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Speaker 2: We're not allowing mission creep. The President has set a

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Speaker 2: very specific mission to accomplish and our job is to

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Speaker 2: unrelentingly deliver that. Now he gets to control the throat.

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Speaker 2: He's the one deciding, he's the one elected on behalf

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Speaker 2: and so it's not for me to posit, whether it's

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Speaker 1: So you hear Secretary of Heggs that they're saying that

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Speaker 1: on the one hand, this war is not going to

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Speaker 1: be endless, but on the other hand, our will aka

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Speaker 1: the United States is national will is also endless. And

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Speaker 1: this is basically what Donald Trump is saying as well.

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Speaker 1: So what is victory we again have to ask when

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Speaker 1: it comes to Operation Epic theory. Well, operation Epic theory,

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Speaker 1: insofar as I understand that is the neutralization of the

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Speaker 1: Iranian threat. Now, at this point, the clear goal, the clear, unambiguous,

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Speaker 1: most desirable goal, what you're really hoping for, in other words,

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Speaker 1: is indeed a full scale change of regime. You don't

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Speaker 1: all the various people who have been taken off of

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Speaker 1: are actually hoping for regime change, the questions, as far

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Speaker 1: I do not necessarily have an easy answer. Bib Neta Yahu,

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Speaker 1: or chastened IRGC possible would essentially be an IRGC, and

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Speaker 1: Is that possible? I believe the answer actually is that

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Speaker 1: it is possible. That is essentially what we are currently

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Speaker 1: But Delcia Rodriguez is very much working with the United States.

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Speaker 1: the Godfather and Luca Brazzi, it will essentially be an

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Speaker 1: offer to make an offer that you can't refuse, right,

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Speaker 1: That's essentially what I'm getting at here. So I do

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Speaker 1: think that is possible. But here's the single most important thing.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of folks inside the president's inner circle,

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Speaker 1: have to end this mission. Energy prices have been all

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Speaker 1: over the map. They say, the politics are terrible, you're

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Speaker 1: polling underwater on this issue. And sure enough, the polling

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Speaker 1: very much remains in support, but the American people at

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Speaker 1: large are indeed split when it comes to the war

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Speaker 1: against Iran. And my response is essentially this. At this point,

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Speaker 1: this operation has been launched, is been launched with full

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Speaker 1: wrath and fury, as the name would imply, Operation Epic Fury.

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Speaker 1: The operation as far has been a staggering military success.

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Speaker 1: It is forty seven years in the making. The reason,

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Speaker 1: among others, the many presidents kick the can down the

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Speaker 1: from a broader perspective, from your vantage point seeing what

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Speaker 1: you've seen thus far, Well.

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Speaker 4: I think he's making a lot of mistakes. Initially. One

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Speaker 4: of the things that happened to come true is something

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Speaker 4: I predicted what happen would be, that he's going to

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Speaker 4: end up turning into almost an austerity mayor. Just from

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Speaker 4: the mere fact that the city's in the midst of

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Speaker 4: a budget crisis. This is a city facing a five

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Speaker 4: or six billion dollar gap, which is larger than the

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Speaker 4: gap itself, is larger than most cities in America's overall budget.

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Speaker 4: So this is a real crisis for Momdanni. Now he's

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Speaker 4: trying to increase spending on things like the universal childcare,

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Speaker 4: he's trying to reform property taxes, doing some things that

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Speaker 4: are costly, but he's just not going to be able

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Speaker 4: to and that's going to be his first lesson. Second

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Speaker 4: lesson is that he hired people in many cases that

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Speaker 4: are just not good fits for the job. Forget ideology aside, right,

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Speaker 4: just leave that aside for a moment. He hired a

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Speaker 4: lot of people with very scant experience in the thing

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Speaker 4: that they're now has to be in charge of. And

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Speaker 4: that's very scary, it's very problematic, and we're seeing it

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Speaker 4: sort of play out in their inability to sort of

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Speaker 4: get things off the ground again. Even though I don't

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Speaker 4: agree with the things they want to get off the ground,

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Speaker 4: they're just not doing it terribly competently. And then beyond that,

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Speaker 4: you have just this ideological separation where I think some

456
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Speaker 4: New Yorkers are starting to have buyer's remorse where it

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Speaker 4: is sort of crazy. It is sort of bizarre just

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Speaker 4: how far left this guy's positions are, you know, just

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Speaker 4: talking about the assault on police officers with snowball fights,

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Speaker 4: like come on, like that wasn't a snowball fight. But

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Speaker 4: he has to live in this alternate, woke universe in

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Speaker 4: order to basically appease the masses that elected him. We

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Speaker 4: are one of the few cities, it's just really just

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Speaker 4: us in Philadelphia, a few large cities in America that

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Speaker 4: still have partisan election systems in urban in municipal elections.

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Speaker 4: So you have the scenario in New York where you know,

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Speaker 4: he can just appeal to that one segment of the population,

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Speaker 4: the extreme far left. It was good enough for him

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Speaker 4: to win the first time. If the election law doesn't change,

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Speaker 4: it'll probably, odds on be good enough for him to

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Speaker 4: win the second time. And that's probably a bigger issue

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Speaker 4: for New York tackle than just his one particular mayoralty.

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Speaker 1: So one question I have again, folks, what we're trying

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Speaker 1: with Joe Burrell. You can follow Joe on X at

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Speaker 1: Joe burrelly NYC. You mentioned this snowball incident, where he

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Speaker 1: made a lie of the fact that there were snowballs

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Speaker 1: thrown towards the faces of various NYPD officers. He now

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Speaker 1: infamously has refused to condemn the the isis inspired teenage

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Speaker 1: Islamist who tried to kill people seems with an ied

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Speaker 1: outside Gracie Manchion. He just hosted, actually Mahamu Khalil, the

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Speaker 1: Columbia University pro Haamas agitator, at Gracie Mansion for a meal.

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Speaker 1: He's already done a number, shall we say, Joe, of

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Speaker 1: symbolic performative things that I think the media New Yorker

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Speaker 1: who's trying to earn a decent paycheck and live and

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Speaker 1: have secure healthcare and housing in this there, I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks don't really think about these symbolic

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Speaker 1: performative shall we say, virtue signaling acts to the woke

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Speaker 1: claresy and I guess thee His question is what exactly

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Speaker 1: is he trying to do? Is he's trying to catapult

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Speaker 1: himself to be the next Barack Obama on the National

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Speaker 1: Saves there as New York City just a means to

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Speaker 1: an end for him? What is his actual goal? And

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Speaker 1: mission here you think I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't think these things are as performative as you do,

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Speaker 4: in the sense that I think some of them are

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Speaker 4: fundamentally bad. You know, he likes to ascribe a lot

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Speaker 4: of his criticism to Islamophobia. Certainly his defenders over the past,

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Speaker 4: you know, forty eight hours have tried to make this

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Speaker 4: about Islamophobia. Right, But you know a week ago he

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Speaker 4: went to an if TRD dinner with Muslim members of

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Speaker 4: the FD and Y and no one, no one complained.

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Speaker 4: It was a lovely thing, right. It's only when he

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Speaker 4: does things like bringing people like you mentioned Mahmood Khalil,

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Speaker 4: who is a fundamentally offensive person to a large segment

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Speaker 4: of the New York City population, and not only do

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Speaker 4: you just defend him and say, look, he's got his right,

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Speaker 4: he's got to write the free speech. You know, maybe

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Speaker 4: he should be in the country, Maybe you're not. This

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Speaker 4: is someone he brought in and sort of had dinner

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Speaker 4: with in order to say I'm embracing everything this guy

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Speaker 4: stands for. That's essentially what you do. And you invite

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Speaker 4: someone to dinner publicly at your house, right, you know,

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Speaker 4: if you remember, I think it was Booker T. Washington

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Speaker 4: and Teddy Roosevelt, right, you know in the nineteen teens

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Speaker 4: where he said we're gonna, you know, accept the African

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Speaker 4: Americans into our society, and he brought them to dinner

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Speaker 4: and brought Booker T. Washington dinner. It's sort of the

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Speaker 4: same thing, only these aren't the type of people that

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Speaker 4: a lot of New Yorkers would agree should be at

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Speaker 4: your dinner table, especially in a city like New York

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Speaker 4: where frankly, Jews make up twenty twenty one percent of

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Speaker 4: New Yorkers. That's a significant amount. That's that's not a

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Speaker 4: little amount, that's a significant amount. So he's got a

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Speaker 4: lot to learn about. I think, you know, David Diggan's

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Speaker 4: quote was that the city is a beautiful mosaic, and

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Speaker 4: I think that's actually a very good way to phrase it.

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Speaker 4: Mosaic tyles are individual they each have their own color,

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Speaker 4: but together they kind of paint a picture. I think

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Speaker 4: Momdani has to have the same sort of outlook, like,

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Speaker 4: we are a city that has very different individual people,

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Speaker 4: and you're not going to be successful by purposefully offending

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Speaker 4: large chunks of it.

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Speaker 2: No, you're not.

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Speaker 1: I think Queen's County, New York and particular, I from

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Speaker 1: my mistaken might be number one the entire country for

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Speaker 1: most different languages spoken at home. I believe the top

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Speaker 1: three extra Queen's kind of New York, La County, California

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Speaker 1: and actually Harris County, Texas home of Houston, but in

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Speaker 1: New York City famously is exactly what you say it is.

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Speaker 1: It is exactly a cross section of literally the world

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Speaker 1: plame matter there and trying to divide and conquer the sisonry.

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Speaker 1: Certainly when it comes to someone like Maka mu Khalil,

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Speaker 1: it does raise some obvious questions here as to what

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Speaker 1: exactly you are trying to accomplish. And one thing that

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Speaker 1: I find interesting about is or Mamdonnnie that I would

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Speaker 1: love your thoughts on as well, Joe BURRELLI is he's

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Speaker 1: been engaged in something of a standoff actually with some

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Speaker 1: Democrats in Albany. He and Kathy Holkle are actually from

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Speaker 1: I can tell not on the same page. Actually, when

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Speaker 1: it comes to various facets of the Democratic parties tax

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Speaker 1: and spend the agendas, what can you tell us about

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Speaker 1: this disagreement between Mam Donnie and Hochel and some of

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Speaker 1: her Democratic allies in Albany, and what does that say

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Speaker 1: about the differing approaches to Democratic Party governance when it

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Speaker 1: comes to Donnie Right, I'm a Republican.

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Speaker 4: As an observer, I have my popcorn ready because what

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Speaker 4: he is willing to do, and perhaps I'll tip my

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Speaker 4: hat to him a little bit, is actually spend some

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Speaker 4: of the political capital he's got. Right, you're a new mayor,

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Speaker 4: you're in your honeymoon period, although I don't know how

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Speaker 4: many you know, margeritas and cocktails are being celebrated during

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Speaker 4: this honeymoon, but you're in theoretically the most popular period

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Speaker 4: of your mayoralty. And he is willing to spend that

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Speaker 4: capital to basically support candidates that he chooses that are

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Speaker 4: not the candidates that the broader Democratic Party is supporting.

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Speaker 4: And I'll give you an example. There's a race to

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Speaker 4: replace Nidia of Alasquez, who's a progressive member of Congress.

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Speaker 4: She's been there for you know, thirty years, forty years.

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Speaker 4: She's seen as sort of a grand dame of Latino

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Speaker 4: women in the city, and she's very respected in that community.

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Speaker 4: And she's supporting the Brooklyn Borough President, Antonio Reinoso, who,

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Speaker 4: by any stretch of the imagination is a very progressive.

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Speaker 4: He was a very progressive council member. He's a very

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Speaker 4: progressive Borough president. He's not moderate by any stretch of

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Speaker 4: the Amage nation. But Mamdani is going against Tiss James

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Speaker 4: Nidia of Alasquez, Kathy Hochel, the Brooklyn County, the King's

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Speaker 4: County Political Party, the Queen's County Political Party, Greg Meeks,

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Speaker 4: all these institutional Democrats to endorse the Democratic Socialist in

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Speaker 4: that race. I mean that is someone who's willing to put,

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Speaker 4: you know, their reputation on the line as long as

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Speaker 4: it meets and advances the ideological goals. I think you're

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Speaker 4: going to see that play out as well. For the

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Speaker 4: Jerry Nadler set right. There are some people in that

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Speaker 4: race who are a bit more moderate, and I mean

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Speaker 4: none of them are as far left as that particular seat,

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Speaker 4: but you're going to see him bend to the most

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Speaker 4: liberal despite who the Democratic Party is supporting and like.

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Speaker 4: And the thing I just described is happening at even

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Speaker 4: lower levels with state Senate seats, state House seats and

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Speaker 4: stuff like that, which I'm not going to get into.

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Speaker 4: But he is willing to buck the County Party system

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Speaker 4: that we have and support basically his own socialist candidates.

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Speaker 1: He's essentially running a party within a party. I mean,

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Speaker 1: in many ways, it actually really is what the DSA is,

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Speaker 1: That is what the Democrat Socialists of America or. There's

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Speaker 1: actually a fascating new study that was put out by

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Speaker 1: this wonderful New Jersey based group called the New Contagent

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Speaker 1: Research Institute, essentially showing that DSA has strong, long science

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Speaker 1: ties to the Chinese Communist Party, which is a real problem.

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Speaker 1: You have a lot of foreign operatists that are taking

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Speaker 1: advantage what seems to be an anti American movement, of

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Speaker 1: which unfortunately the mayor of the nation's largest city is

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Speaker 1: now really one of the symbols of that movement. It's

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Speaker 1: really dark stuff. There's really no one better to update

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Speaker 1: on us than the great Joe BURRELLI followed Joe on

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Speaker 1: x at Joe Burrelli NYC, former Republican leader of the

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Speaker 1: New York City Council. Joe, stay safe, my friend. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: the snow at this point is sufficiently melted and the

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Speaker 1: subways are reasonably safe. We love having joined the program.

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Speaker 1: We look forward to talking with you against him.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Josh so One of the things that I only briefly

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Speaker 1: teased with Joe Burrelli but didn't really get a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk about a career at length, was the legal

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Speaker 1: fallout of this terrorst attack. And yes, it was a

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Speaker 1: terrorist attack outside Gracie Mansion in New York City this

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Speaker 1: past weekend where you had these two apparently isis video

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Speaker 1: inspired Lone Wolf Jihati's. They're teenagers eighteen ninety years old.

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Speaker 1: They spent time overseas in Turkey, Saudi Arabia, elsewhere across

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Speaker 1: the broader Muslim world, and they decided that they were

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Speaker 1: going to try to denonate one of these homemade IEDs

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Speaker 1: that the Jihati community appearly refers to as the Mother

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Speaker 1: of satan Baum, whatever the heck that means.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of folks were clamoring for the DOJ

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Speaker 1: at the federal level to step in there, because this

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Speaker 1: is now we're talking here not just about attempted homicide.

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Speaker 1: We're talking here about terrorism, which necessarily connotes federal law

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Speaker 1: enforce involvement.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 1: In turn, General Pambondi has indeed delivered the goods of

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Speaker 1: Pam bond announcing that the USS Department has indicted both

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Speaker 1: these folks with connection to attempted terrorism essentially attempting to

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Speaker 1: commit a terrorist attack there. This is the best way

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Speaker 1: to try to see justice in this case if you

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Speaker 1: think that the New York City that Alvin Bragg and

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Speaker 1: Manhattan da is the best way to get this done.

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Speaker 1: And frankly, I have a whole basket of goods to

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Speaker 1: try to sell you, and I'm very happy personally that

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Speaker 1: that Pambonni is get involved. We're certainly we will certainly

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Speaker 1: keep you update here when it comes to continued prosecution

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Speaker 1: and legal fallout of that particular case. By the way,

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Speaker 1: on related note, when it comes to New York City

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Speaker 1: related federal prosecutions, we've mentioned numerous times how just a

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Speaker 1: couple of days after the twenty twenty four presidential election,

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Speaker 1: when Donald Trump utterly schlacks Kamala Harris, there was a

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Speaker 1: DOJ indictment literally just a few days after the election

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Speaker 1: when it came to this Iranian regime orchestrate attempt to

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Speaker 1: assassinate President Trump. And it turns out that the fat

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Speaker 1: pattern was such that there was a Pakistani national above

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Speaker 1: all who who was hired. He was essentially tasked by

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Speaker 1: the IRGC Aron's is long Revolutionary Guard Corps for trying

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Speaker 1: to oversee the assassination of Donald Trump, a plot that,

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Speaker 1: thank goodness, praised me to God obviously did not transpire.

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Speaker 1: So we just found out actually just over the past

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Speaker 1: few days that this individual Pakistani national has indeed been

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Speaker 1: conveyed did and frankly wish him nothing but the absolute worst. Frankly,

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Speaker 1: the ultimate punishment, I think is something that really ought

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Speaker 1: to be fair game in situations.

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Speaker 5: Just like this.

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Speaker 1: Another thing that is very much been on my mind

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Speaker 1: and apparently has very much been on President Trump's mind

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Speaker 1: as well, speaking of the twenty twenty four election, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking a little bit frankly about the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: eighth election as well. There have now been a series

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Speaker 1: of foreign policy relayed events that seemingly are going to

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Speaker 1: have the effect of continuing to boost Mark Rubio, who

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Speaker 1: is the Secretary of State and the National Security Advisor,

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Speaker 1: among other hats that he wears in the Trump administrations.

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio was largely perceived to be the head, or

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Speaker 1: the chief strategist, if you will, of Operation Absolute Resolve,

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Speaker 1: which was the operation that ultimately culminated in the extraction

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Speaker 1: of Nicholas Maduro from Caracas out of his own bed

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Speaker 1: there in early January in Venezuela. Marque was someone who

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Speaker 1: has been, shall we say, hawkish, aggressive on the issue

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Speaker 1: of ron for his entire public career. He has been

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Speaker 1: essentially side by side with Donald Trump for all these operations.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps you might say in a way that that Jade

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Speaker 1: Vance a little bit less so so back in Venezuela,

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Speaker 1: as a lot of people made a lot of hay

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Speaker 1: of a the time, Jadvans was actually not in the

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Speaker 1: same room as Donald Trump, And sure enough, the exact

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Speaker 1: same thing actually transpired during the earliest stages of Operation

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Speaker 1: Epic Fury as well. Mark Rubia was with Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: at mar Lago while this is going on, Jade Vance

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Speaker 1: was in Washington, d C. With Tulsa Gabbard and a

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Speaker 1: couple of others. I saw some folks on social media

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Speaker 1: trying to deride this as essentially eating at the kids table,

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Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of folks trying to say,

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Speaker 1: what is happening here? Is Donald Trump trying to signal

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Speaker 1: that as his second term takes a more aggressive, a

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Speaker 1: more assertive, a more hawkish foreign policy direction. Is Mark

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Speaker 1: Rubio really gaining steam, and sure enough on the online

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Speaker 1: Betty Marcuts, Jade Vance does remain the favorites when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the Republican present nomination with Mark Rubio definitely

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Speaker 1: has been gaining traction. Donald Trump, actually, for what it's worth,

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Speaker 1: was really playing into this, into this speculation Franklin when

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Speaker 1: he was asked a little bit about this. There was

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Speaker 1: a reporter actually on Monday evening in drelf, Florida, at

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Speaker 1: this press conference, and the reporter asked about any possible

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Speaker 1: point of disagreement between Donald Trump and Jade Vance when

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Speaker 1: it came to the operation in Iran, and the President's

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Speaker 1: answered as follows.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, No, we get along very

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Speaker 3: well on this.

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Speaker 5: He was, I would say, philosophically a little bit different

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Speaker 5: than me.

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Speaker 3: I think he was.

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Speaker 5: Maybe less enthusiastic about going, but he was quite enthusiastic.

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Speaker 5: But I felt it was something we had to do.

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Speaker 5: I didn't feel we had a choice. If we didn't

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Speaker 5: do it, they would have done it to us. I felt,

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Speaker 5: based on the negotiations that were being had by Steve

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Speaker 5: Woodcuff and Jared Kushner and Marco and Pete and everybody

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Speaker 5: was involved I felt that they were gonna that they

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Speaker 5: were looking to tap us so long before they hit,

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Speaker 5: and I thought they were gonna hit, And if they

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Speaker 5: hit us first, that would have been a very bad thing.

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Speaker 1: So there you have President Trump saying that Jadvans is

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Speaker 1: philosophically a little bit different than me, essentially saying the

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Speaker 1: quiet part out loud. This is nothing that reasonable people

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Speaker 1: have not already noticed.

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Speaker 2: JD.

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Speaker 1: Vans definitely is personally very close with Tucker Carlson, which

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Speaker 1: many people, including you're, certainly find to be problematic. Tucker

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Speaker 1: Carlson becomes not just a kook and a crank, but

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Speaker 1: the most dangerous anti Semite in American history and the

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Speaker 1: most dangerous man in America. I can't tell people who

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Speaker 1: they should be personal friends with, but I will say

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Speaker 1: in my own personal capacity as an American citizen, I

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Speaker 1: don't like the fact that he is friends with the

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Speaker 1: second most powerful person in the United States. There and again,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, based on the report, we can tell, is

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Speaker 1: now engaged behind the scenes and a lot of these

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Speaker 1: conversations as well. So the Wall Street Journal has a

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Speaker 1: whole article that went online on Monday evening into this

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Speaker 1: morning Tuesday morning, Vance or Rubio in twenty eight is

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Speaker 1: the question Trump can't stop asking, and Trump, apparently based

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Speaker 1: on Also's rather reporting as well, is literally going around

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Speaker 1: just asking a lot of people as to who he

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Speaker 1: should endorse. In twenty twenty eight between jd Vance and

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Speaker 1: Marco Rubio, so NBC News and a story that has

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Speaker 1: three authors. So a three byline story, which is relatively rare,

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Speaker 1: it means they got a lot of people, a lot

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Speaker 1: of source saying. That's at least in theory what it

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Speaker 1: means there. So the NBC News article reads as follows.

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Speaker 1: With a group of roughly two hundred and fifty Republican

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Speaker 1: GOP donors, including New England Patriots owner Robert Craft and

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Speaker 1: billionaire Georgia gubernatorial candidate Rick Jackson, Trump asked the room

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Speaker 1: whom they would prefer he support for president in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight. Attendees overwhelmingly indicated Secretary of State Mark Rubio

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Speaker 1: through their cheering. According to two people who were at

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Speaker 1: the event, this is all per this NBC News article,

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Speaker 1: it was almost unanimous for Marco set a person in

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Speaker 1: attendance who was granted an anim andy to speak candidly.

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Speaker 1: Another person in the room characterized response as more evenly splits.

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Speaker 1: But this is one data point indicate that Rubio is

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Speaker 1: increasingly gaining traction. Addition to just the optics of Rubio

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Speaker 1: being near near Trump, Trump basically beckoning to Rubio and

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Speaker 1: a lot of these press conferences are just in durral

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Speaker 1: on Monday evening, Donald Trump saying to Rubio, you know,

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Speaker 1: Marco will will take care of Cuba next. He did

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Speaker 1: something very similar the other day when Lionel Messi's team

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Speaker 1: Inter Miami was at the White House to accept their

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Speaker 1: presidential praise. He essentially beckoned to Rubio there. So he

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Speaker 1: clearly loves Marco Rubio. He clearly loves him. I'm not

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Speaker 1: here to suggest that he is souring or turning on

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Speaker 1: Jad Evans or anything like that. Rather, what I am

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Speaker 1: here to suggest is that it is very much a

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Speaker 1: live ball when it comes to who will be the successor,

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Speaker 1: who will be the heir to the throne in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the heir to the throne of

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Speaker 1: the magmu more genuine during the first few months, arguably

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Speaker 1: the entire first year of Donald Trump's second term, there

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Speaker 1: really was not a whole long discussion about twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: eight in general, because a lot of folks, frankly, just

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Speaker 1: assumed that Jdevans had this thing in the back. And

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Speaker 1: there are very few people even taught about the possibility

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Speaker 1: that there would actually be a competitive primary in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight in the first place. Really, there were very

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Speaker 1: very few people that were even doing this, at least

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Speaker 1: in my circles. I just heard over and over and

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Speaker 1: over again Jadevance was the obvious guy. Well it's really

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Speaker 1: no longer obvious. I mentioned that the online betting markets

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Speaker 1: have narrowed, so on poly Market it was one of

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Speaker 1: the top online betting prediction markets. JD Vance now has

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Speaker 1: a twenty one percent of being the nation's next president.

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Speaker 1: That number was, if memory serves more than double, it

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Speaker 1: was literally in the forties as recently as late twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five, I think it was in the mid to

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Speaker 1: high forties. So it's been cut in half. Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 1: seventeen percent. Then there's Marco Rubio at forty percent, So

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Speaker 1: it's only seven percent difference between JD. Vans and Mark Rubio.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty staggering stuff, frankly, And another wrinkle in this

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Speaker 1: broader conversation is essentially as follows, which is that there

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Speaker 1: is a huge battle going on. You may or may

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Speaker 1: not have noticed as to what MAGA actually is. What

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Speaker 1: does the American right stand for? We talked about this

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Speaker 1: on the show on a seemingly daily basis. You have

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Speaker 1: all these subversive fifth column actors, whether it's making Kelly

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Speaker 1: Granma groeper, whether it's Tucker Carlson, the Doha shill, whether

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of these other idiots, Matt Gates, people

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Speaker 1: like that who are essentially engaged in what seems to

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Speaker 1: me to be a sigh up, a foreign adjacent information

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Speaker 1: operation to gaslight the American people, to make us stupider

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Speaker 1: on behalf of America's enemies, all the while trying to undermine,

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Speaker 1: to sow discord, and pretentially trying to disrupt and destroy

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Speaker 1: the entire Concern movement, with the entire American rights Why.

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Speaker 1: You might say, well, the motives I believe do differ,

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Speaker 1: But there's this goal to destroy MAGA. There is this

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Speaker 1: feeling that's bubbling, and Tucker Carlson just says it out

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Speaker 1: loud these days that MAGA has failed, that Don Trump

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Speaker 1: has failed. That puts JD. Vans in a very, very

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Speaker 1: very difficult position because he will have to thread this

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Speaker 1: needle between Maga and whatever these idiots trying to do

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Speaker 1: and trying to destroy and replace it there so far

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Speaker 1: be from me, But if I were a betting man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a betting man. If I were, I would

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Speaker 1: only continue to bet on Marco Rubio. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Jade Vans can't recover on the twenty twenty sweepstakes there.

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Speaker 1: He absolutely can there. But certainly all the tea leaves

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Speaker 1: we can see right now are pointing in favor of

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Speaker 1: Mark Rubio. But it's very library, it's all very very

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Speaker 1: early as well.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 1: It's it's very fun to talk, but that's why I

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Speaker 1: just can't resist sometimes there. Anyway, folks, have a great

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Speaker 1: rest of your evening. We'll be right back tomorrow. Josh

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Speaker 1: Hammer hunning Off will be back tomorrow