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Speaker 1: I said from the start, no deal with the Ayatola.

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Speaker 2: There is no deal that is a good.

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Speaker 1: Enough outcome for the people of Iran and for the

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Speaker 1: But what if what if that doesn't actually matter. Yes,

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Speaker 2: They've been developing it for years. We just don't know

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Speaker 1: My next guest, he does, and he says, despite any

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Speaker 1: It's such a pleasure.

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Speaker 3: To have you on. Thanks for having me Arian.

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Speaker 1: I remember the second that I saw on my phone

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Speaker 4: It has killed too many Iranians. It has exported death

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Speaker 4: That's our worst nightmare we have seen in what this

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Speaker 3: It's going to remove.

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Speaker 4: The safe space that they had created using oil money.

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Speaker 2: It's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: And you look at particularly say do buy the UAE

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Speaker 1: So if it's not enough for people to care about

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Speaker 2: It's not possible. Such a great point you make the

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Speaker 2: Reza Pahlavi, is that who they want?

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Speaker 1: Who do they want? And what happens when he gives

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Speaker 2: It's given who was there. It's a low.

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Speaker 4: We are dealing with the most indecent state on the

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Speaker 4: He's a man with a mission. He wants to be

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Speaker 4: He is not that future. He has not claimed to

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Speaker 3: He is the bridge to the future.

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Speaker 1: Now, everything I've heard reflects exactly those sentiments I've had

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Speaker 2: It will be yours for the taking. So not America

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Speaker 1: An environment where the Iranians can uprise and take back

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Speaker 1: and saying lay down arms. I know that that's a

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Speaker 1: against them. How do the people uprise when the call comes?

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Speaker 1: Is it bravely, courageously without weapons like they did in January?

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Speaker 2: Is there going to be access to weapons?

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking practically, how the hell do they do it

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Speaker 4: Multiple points One, I cannot give you all the details

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Speaker 1: So the though what you're saying is there is a

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Speaker 1: very significant plan.

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Speaker 4: There is a plan. It has been worked on for years.

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Speaker 4: When people took to the streets in January, they took

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Speaker 4: hundreds hundreds of Iranian flags, true flags of Iran with

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Speaker 4: People have been sawing them in their homes years ago.

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Speaker 4: They have been preparing, They are ready to go. That's

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Speaker 4: point one. Point two. The technologies that are being deployed

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Speaker 4: Much more is happening. We will soon hear good news

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Speaker 4: out of that country. But more important, Iranians have been

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Speaker 4: on the front line of fighting this fascist state for

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Speaker 4: the past five decades. The courage, resilience and bravery that

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Speaker 4: they have displayed is unparalleled. You're talking about a nation

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Speaker 4: that has a history that is millennia old. The Islamic

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Speaker 4: be reduced to ashes soon. Future future of Iran is

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Speaker 4: a secular democracy where Iranians determine how their form of

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Speaker 4: governance will be. But one thing is certain, Iran has risen,

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Speaker 4: Iran will be free, and we are going to keep

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Speaker 4: marching until we achieve that future.

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Speaker 1: So tell me, even if the US does a deal,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't actually matter because at some stage soon the

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Speaker 1: Iranian people will rise. That will make it harder, but

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Speaker 1: it will not stop this uprising.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: There is this poem from Iran's Constitutional revolution. It says

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Speaker 4: that you can occupy a land with a sword, but

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Speaker 4: been sitting on a sword for five decades. The Iranian

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Speaker 4: people are going to reclaim their future. This nation, this

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Speaker 4: country has been occupied many times in pass by the Arabs,

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Speaker 4: by the Mongols, and name it. We have risen again

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Speaker 4: and again above the atrocities that we have faced. We

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Speaker 3: The Islamic Republic will go.

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Speaker 4: We are going to be free, and we are going

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Speaker 4: to celebrate proper in the Persian style in Tehran, hopefully soon.

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Speaker 1: It's such a privilege to be here at this moment

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Speaker 1: you will do, and I have no doubt you will

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Speaker 1: do it, and I cannot wait to join you in

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Speaker 1: Tehran for these celebrations.

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Speaker 2: You are the bravest.

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Speaker 1: People I know, and I'm blown away by your courage

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Speaker 1: and I thank you for helping share with my audience

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Speaker 1: why this matters so much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you very much for having us and

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Speaker 4: being a true ally to this and it's time of need.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you, we see you, we hear you, and

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Speaker 4: hopefully soon we will dance in Tehran together in celebration

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Speaker 4: of liberty.

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Speaker 2: I have zero rhythm. I'm like a plank of wood,

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Speaker 2: but I will practice for this moment. You're the best.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you