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Speaker 1: Life audio Scotty, Your mom and I were talking just

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Speaker 1: this week that I had never seen somebody have such

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Speaker 1: a big heart change and their life changes I have

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Speaker 1: with you over the past lestly three months. What happened, man, Dad?

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Speaker 1: Hearing you say that means so much to me, right

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Speaker 1: and so, but ultimately I can't take any credit for

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Speaker 1: it is all the Lord working in my heart right

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Speaker 1: and honestly showing me that his will and his path

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Speaker 1: for me is great to get any choice that I

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Speaker 1: just you know, growing up, my biggest struggle in my

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Speaker 1: life has been pornography. Right, It's been sexual sin. And

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Speaker 1: one of the reason when you asked me to come

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Speaker 1: it is so prevalent for young men in our generation. Right.

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Speaker 1: And so going back, you know, I remember the first

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Speaker 1: or nine years old, right, close family friend showed me

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Speaker 1: growing up, you know, being addicted to porn and now

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Speaker 1: saying that, right, I didn't. I wasn't, you know, watching

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Speaker 1: didn't really kick start until I got into high school.

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Speaker 1: But throughout high school I was addicted to photography, right,

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Speaker 1: addicted and masturbation and doing it, you know, all the time, honestly, right,

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Speaker 1: And so I remember, I just remember just just growing

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Speaker 1: And that ultimately was the pride in my heart, right,

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Speaker 1: because I remember growing up when of the most loving

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Speaker 1: things that you and Mom ever did this every single day.

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Speaker 1: You guys could tell me, Scottie, I love you, and

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Speaker 1: of my mind, I always knew that I could tell

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Speaker 1: It's not affecting me, right, and if it is affecting me,

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Speaker 1: And I didn't honestly, like see anything wrong with it, right.

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Speaker 1: back that you think you told yourself to be able

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Speaker 1: So like some of the lies that I would tell

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, you know what, like when I get married,

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Speaker 1: it's not hurting somebody else. So it sounds like it's

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Speaker 1: how how prevalent was that? Oh, like a one hundred percent? Right? Obviously,

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Speaker 1: And So the first time I remember I came to you,

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Speaker 1: so has Papa and you guys would always say those

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Speaker 1: Why didn't YadA YadA YadA? Right? And and that just

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Speaker 1: what was I the first person that told I believe

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Speaker 1: to where it went after you came to that first time.

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Speaker 1: But let's go back a little bit. Because your mom

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Speaker 1: is that going to happen today. In your assessment, is

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Speaker 1: it's it's affecting this generation, Like I wonder this generation

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Speaker 1: is less likely to get married, pushing it off, which

424
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Speaker 1: has concerns for the survival of society. How much does

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Speaker 1: porn play roll? And that like we could to so

426
00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,639
Speaker 1: many different issues, so many Well, how else does it

427
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,640
Speaker 1: you see it affecting your generation? Or does that? Yeah?

428
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,320
Speaker 1: One of the one of the stories that obviously in

429
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Speaker 1: Luke chapter two when it says that Jesus grew in

430
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Speaker 1: stature with both men and with God. What pornography does

431
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Speaker 1: is it takes away from your relationship with God, and

432
00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,120
Speaker 1: it takes away from your relationship with other people. Right.

433
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Speaker 1: And what's unique about it too, is it's not just

434
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Speaker 1: in relationships like like a girlfriend or boyfriend, right, it

435
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,359
Speaker 1: actually takes away from your relationships. Like I saw the

436
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 1: way it took away from my relationship with my sister.

437
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 1: I saw the way it took away from my relationship

438
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 1: with you and mom my, teammates, my other friends, right,

439
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 1: because it was telling me something that I know I

440
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 1: was in control, right, that I had, you know, I

441
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 1: didn't need any help, right, And it just that's what pornography,

442
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Speaker 1: That's what it does. And it shows you that you're

443
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,440
Speaker 1: in control, right, you are, you are the master, right,

444
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 1: you don't need any help, and it's all about you.

445
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 1: And so I literally saw the way that I would

446
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Speaker 1: talk to my sister, the way that I look at

447
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: my sister, right, was drastically different, right than when I'm

448
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 1: not watching porn right, or my mom right, or my

449
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 1: other friends even not even I'm talking not even talking

450
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 1: about girls, men talking about like some of my best friends,

451
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: the way that I would talk with them, right, and

452
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 1: the way that it was it was just okay to

453
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: talk about girls in a certain way, right, it was

454
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Speaker 1: okay to just talk about these different themes right there.

455
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Speaker 1: It's like now it's like you have this just I

456
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Speaker 1: have this just natural discuss im like I don't want

457
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Speaker 1: to talk about wing it that way, right. And I

458
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Speaker 1: think one of the things that you said is what

459
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Speaker 1: it does to your breed. Right. I watched the way

460
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Speaker 1: that I would just undress girls in my mind, right.

461
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: I saw that, right. And I know some of the

462
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: studies show there's this ninety day curve and you stop

463
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 1: watching porn. And one of the interesting things is is

464
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: I said it earlier, right, but just because you're not

465
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Speaker 1: watching porn doesn't mean you're walking in purity, right. And

466
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Speaker 1: for the first time with me, right when I stopped

467
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Speaker 1: watching porn, I wasn't walking in purity right because as

468
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Speaker 1: you said it, you know, porn is not the root

469
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Speaker 1: of the issue. It's only a fruit, right. And for me,

470
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Speaker 1: I took that right. It was like, Okay, I'm stopping

471
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Speaker 1: to watch porn, right. I put it into okay, I'm

472
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Speaker 1: playing video games right, or okay, now I'm gonna put

473
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Speaker 1: this in the basketball right. And I never actually addressed

474
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Speaker 1: the root of the issue. And I've had a lot

475
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Speaker 1: of in my group, we've talked about that, right where

476
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Speaker 1: it's like you start using people, you start using things, right,

477
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Speaker 1: And it's like, Okay, I'm not watching porn, but I'm

478
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Speaker 1: you know, playing a ton of video games, right, or

479
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm putting the into X, Y and Z. You don't

480
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Speaker 1: actually deal with the ruty issue. So because porn is

481
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: so enticing, right, it's all over the place, it will

482
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,439
Speaker 1: eventually come back. That's that's an interesting point. You can

483
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: deal with it horizontally, which is like putting the band

484
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Speaker 1: aid on it. But again, how do we get to

485
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Speaker 1: the issue which we will come back to an invented

486
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Speaker 1: that can you tell without? I mean, we don't want

487
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Speaker 1: any judgment andal towards other people, but what are indications

488
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Speaker 1: when you're talking with seventy year generatio, It's like, you

489
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Speaker 1: know what, I think that person is probably looking at

490
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Speaker 1: poor Yeah, I think obviously someone who has one. It's

491
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 1: I think it's it's very easy for me to tell, right,

492
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Speaker 1: I'm like not shocked when someone I'm like, yeah, they're

493
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Speaker 1: they're definitely watching port right, because I saw the way

494
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Speaker 1: that it was affecting meat. Right. I think you can

495
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Speaker 1: think about the way that people are talking your words right,

496
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: also your actions, right. I think those are the two

497
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: biggest things, right, especially just the jokes that people tell, right,

498
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: especially like young men. You see somebody has a really

499
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Speaker 1: crude mouth, Like I'm telling you, it's you're more than

500
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Speaker 1: likely watching port right, And I think it's honest. It's

501
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: a little bit easier too, when the percentages are so

502
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Speaker 1: high of men, and it honestly, it doesn't drop in

503
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Speaker 1: the church. It does, right, a little bit, a little

504
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: bit as much as you for young men. I wouldn't

505
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Speaker 1: say I don't think it drops much, right, because it's

506
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Speaker 1: so pushed in our face, right, And I'm honestly, I mean,

507
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know these I don't have the

508
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Speaker 1: statistics off the top of my hand. But I am

509
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Speaker 1: more surprised when someone's like, I'm not watching porn, and

510
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: I actually think they're sincere about it than I am

511
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Speaker 1: when they are. I'm more surprised than like, oh my gosh,

512
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: like that is awesome, like how right? Like generally I'm like,

513
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, how like that is just amazing. And so

514
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Speaker 1: I wish that that was, you know, part of my

515
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: sor I wish I never had to struggle with this, right,

516
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 1: But I think it is an interesting thing. It's like,

517
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: you know, so many people struggle with it. What does

518
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: that mean? What does it mean to struggle with point? Right?

519
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: Is it okay to be like, oh man, that you

520
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 1: know I'm struggling with it? And I watch it like

521
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: once a month, right, or you know, only watch it

522
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: like once a week like? Or is there just a cutoff?

523
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Speaker 1: It's like, no, I'm drawing my lineless in and I

524
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: am never going back. But what does that look like

525
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: and how we get there? That's a fairy. That's a

526
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: fair point. There is a difference between those who just

527
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: identifies Christians those who are practice Yesians, and so some

528
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 1: of that depends on whether I just go to church

529
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Speaker 1: once a month or three times a year, or versus

530
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Speaker 1: reading my Bible daily and praying. So Christian faith does

531
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Speaker 1: make a difference, but it's really only when somebody takes

532
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: their faith seriously. Now, it is interesting to ask, you know,

533
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: all of us look at our lives who have come

534
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: to faith, and we come to faith because we recognize

535
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: sin that we've committed. That's true for all of us.

536
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Speaker 1: And I remember when you when you share this with us,

537
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: you know, I know your mom was just like, I

538
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: can't believe it. She kind of I think in some

539
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: ways maybe I put words in your mouth that felt like,

540
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: you know, we fail that I was like, I just

541
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: I don't look at it that way. What have we

542
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: prayed for for our son, that you would be humbled,

543
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: which is what it takes for everybody to know the Lord,

544
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: have a recognition of sin, a desire to own your

545
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: own faith, and want to follow and love the Lord.

546
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Speaker 1: That's what I've and your mom and I have prayed

547
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Speaker 1: for since the moment we placed you in that trip

548
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 1: twenty one plus years ago. So I love this, and

549
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: I go, guy, our prayers have been answered when I chose,

550
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: and the means for it to happen, well, of course not.

551
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: But we don't get to choose that. Yes, So in

552
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: some ways, what you just said to me is I

553
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Speaker 1: wish I didn't have this in my past, and I go,

554
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: I wish too, but I also go, but that's what

555
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: it took to get your attention, and now you see

556
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: the damage of that, and it's causing you to be

557
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: hungry for the Lord, and so you kind of can't

558
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: get one without the other. You agree that, and I

559
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: one hundred percent agree with you, right, And I guess

560
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Speaker 1: the reason why I say you, I wish it wasn't

561
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: in my past, right, is not being like you know,

562
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: I'm afraid of it, right, or I'm not embracing my past.

563
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: It's like, no, I am right. Part of the thing

564
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: about healing. I think I believe what healing is understanding

565
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: the way of your past, but choosing Christ and moving

566
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: forward despite your past, right, And so that's like the

567
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: big thing. So it's like, no, I'm not saying, you know, oh, man,

568
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: I wish it wasn't in the past. But also I'm like, man,

569
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: I wish I did watch more, right, I wish I

570
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: didn't treat people a certain way, But I agree with you, right.

571
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: Without that, I wouldn't be able to see how good

572
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: the Lord has been to me through this right that.

573
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, one of my favorite stories in Mark about

574
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: is when Jesus, he know, calms the storm, right, And

575
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: I believe an underlying message about that is, you know,

576
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,719
Speaker 1: Jesus is a gonna call him every storm in your life.

577
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: He just wants to be in the boat with right.

578
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: And I've seen that, right, Like, I'm still in the

579
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: midst of these trials, right, but I've had Jesus in

580
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: the boat with me, and I wouldn't want it any

581
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 1: way different. I like that. That's good. Okay, So let's go.

582
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: You were eighteen years old and you called me up

583
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: on a smartphone, and I do remember it, you were crying,

584
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: you were outside. At first I thought, did somebody die? Like,

585
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: I didn't know what you were to tell me. If

586
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: you remember me saying, I can't believe I'm telling you this.

587
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: Here it goes that was three years ago. And then

588
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: when you said a while ago that that's not when

589
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: things changed. So fill in the rest of the story

590
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: for us, and then I'll follow up and ask what's

591
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: different this time? But first, what happened after that? So immediately, like,

592
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: what happened after that for me was I was like,

593
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: all right, like, you know, I need help, you know,

594
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: I kind of just said that, right, and nothing really happened, right, Like,

595
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: I was just like, okay, like I don't really have

596
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: an urge to watch porn because I just kind of

597
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: confessed it to a lot of people, right, Like there

598
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: was some shame there, and I didn't install practical disciplines,

599
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: and I didn't listen to people, right. I didn't listen

600
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: to my mentor right who said, hey, soft porn is

601
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: going to come back, right. I didn't listen to people, right.

602
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: I didn't get to the root of the issue. I

603
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: thought the root of the issue was porn, right, And

604
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: so what I did was is instead of getting to

605
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: the root of the issue, which was pride for me,

606
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 1: I threated up playing video games all the time, right,

607
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: And so I wasn't practically denying myself Bailey right. So

608
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: lout nine it says, you know, Jesus sa, if anybody

609
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: wants to follow me, he must first deny himself, take

610
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: up his cross daily and follow me. Right. I was

611
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: not daily picking out my cross and saying, Lord, if

612
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: you do not help me today, I will go back. Right.

613
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: I was not literally sacrificing that's the Lord. I was

614
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: not right, and so I went I want to say, yeah,

615
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 1: I was. It was two years, not until this summer,

616
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: and I geez, I don't know remember what July something, August, June,

617
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: whatever where it came back right. And one of the

618
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: interesting things is I remember when I'm like, oh man,

619
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: it came back. One of the things that I've recognized

620
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: is that it actually never left right. Just because I

621
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: wasn't watching, you know, hard porn, doesn't mean that I

622
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: still wasn't watching porn. Right, the stuff that I was

623
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: listening to, the movies that I was watching, right, I

624
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: vividly remember, you know, we're gonna watch a movie and

625
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: I knew there was gonna be stuff in it, and

626
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't really care, right, I'm good,

627
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: you know. And it was like subconsciously I was choosing

628
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: because I wasn't watching porn anymore, right that? Shoot, what

629
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: would you say? What would you say differently say before

630
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: you first shared me with your eight like back in

631
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: high school? Is there anything you think somebody could have

632
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: said to you to wake you up at that point

633
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: to realize what you realize later, or do you think

634
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: you kind of had to go through this stick he

635
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: had a certain level of rock thought. Yeah, I think

636
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: I think obviously, I think somebody could have said, you know,

637
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: oh hey, I think I want to get some harder

638
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: the issue. I don't believe that was like really pressed

639
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: upon me as much as it could have been, right,

640
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: But I think that that I don't want to use

641
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: that as a scapego right, But I do believe I

642
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: needed to go through and hit rock bottom, right and

643
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: really understand the weight of my sin. I didn't really

644
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: understand how much my sin was affecting other people and

645
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: how much that it was actually affecting me. That's what

646
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: I believe. And so one of the things you asked,

647
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: what was different this time? Is this summer? Right? Like?

648
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: What the first time around? I did not have disciplines

649
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: in my life to combat this sin. I did not

650
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: have the disciplines right, Like I would continue to scroll

651
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: on Instagram at two am by myself, like that's a

652
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: recipe for disaster, right, and so, but the biggest thing

653
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: for me was when I decided to turn everything around.

654
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: Was it wasn't that I decided, right, it was the

655
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: Lord gave me an opportunity, right. So the biggest moment

656
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: for me was early this year. He was when Charlie

657
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: Kirk got shot. I remember sitting in our in the house.

658
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: I was by myself. I was on the couch and

659
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: I was working, and I remember when the news came

660
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: on and I saw it and I sweet, oh my gosh.

661
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, Charlie's like dad. Like.

662
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: I remember seeing the vide. I was like, oh my gosh,

663
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: he's dead. I remember looking at myself and being like,

664
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: what am I doing with my life? Like genuinely, what

665
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: am I doing with my life? I'm like Charlie answered

666
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: the call right that the Lord put on his heart, right,

667
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: and he lived that out. And I looked at myself, like,

668
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: what is giving me this? What am I doing with

669
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: my life? I am choosing to live a certain way

670
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: contrary to what God's will is from my life? What

671
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: am I doing? And so I remember just being like

672
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: all right, like I don't know what this exactly looks like,

673
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: but I'm like I need I need change. And I

674
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: remember I was driving to go film for my job,

675
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: and remember I was on the road, and I remember

676
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: I knew the next steps that I needed to take.

677
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: I'd been dating this girl at the time, and I

678
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: remember being like, I need to confess to her and

679
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: needs to tell her, right, And I did not want to, right.

680
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: I was so scared, right because I knew everything that

681
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: she thought of me. He was gonna be thrown out

682
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: the window, right. And I just remember literally sitting there.

683
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: I remember being like, Lord, I can't do this. I

684
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: need your help. I just remember that moment you said.

685
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: He was like, Scottie, tell her, I got this, right.

686
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: And so I remember I was like driving back, I'm

687
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: in tears, and I was like, yes, Lord, right. And

688
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: so I remember later that night I called you and

689
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: I told you again, right, and you were just like,

690
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, Scotti I love you, right, Mom said the

691
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: same thing, right, And honestly, in that moment, I did

692
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: not realize that the things were gonna be different. I

693
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: did not realize in that moment, right. I just thought,

694
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: oh man, I gotta go through this again, right, like

695
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: I grew through this again. So I remember telling her

696
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: was the hardest thing that I've ever had to do

697
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: in my life. Right, But I just thought, oh man,

698
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: all I gotta do is get rid of the porn again,

699
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be good, right, All I gotta do, right,

700
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: this is a quick fix, right, wipe my hands clean,

701
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: and I'm good. And I remember shortly after I started

702
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: going to therapy, right at the bio Accountslan said, And

703
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: I started to go to therapy, I remember my therapist

704
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: asked me a question and he goes, Scottie, what's going

705
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: to be different this time? And I remember it hit me.

706
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: I was like, what is going to be different this time? Right?

707
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: And I remember something You've always said. You said it

708
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: and talked about a bunch of the things you asked, like,

709
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: what's the definition of insanity? You said, you know, definition

710
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: of insanity is doing the same thing over and over

711
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: again and expecting a different result. And I sat there

712
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I am insane, and I am a fool.

713
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm insane, and I'm a fool to think that if

714
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: I just do what I did last time, that things

715
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: are going to be different. The things are going to

716
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: be different, right. And so at that time, I remember

717
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: just really praying and asking the Lord, like, what is

718
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: going to be different? Lord? Show me? I need community, right,

719
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: And I after that the Word showed me this group

720
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: that's a Biola right, And if you're watching this, you're

721
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: a BIO student, like, and you're a guy, right, please

722
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: reach out to me, right, Like, this is a great

723
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: resource at Biola, right to have a bunch of other men,

724
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: right that are choosing purity. And but one of the

725
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: biggest things for me, right was what is gonna be different? Right? Like,

726
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: am I just gonna you know, stop watching porn and

727
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: things are gonna you know, things are gonna change. Right,

728
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to get everything that I lost back, Like, No,

729
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: that's insane for me to think that, right, Like, if

730
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: you're a drug an like that, you're just insane to

731
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: think that. That's That's was the biggest thing for me, right,

732
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: And so One of those verses was Luke nine twenty

733
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: three through twenty four that says, jes says, if anybody

734
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: wants to follow me, he must first deny himself daily

735
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: and follow me, right, pick up his cross daily and

736
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: follow me. And I was like, I'm not picking my

737
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: cross up daily. I'm not surrendering my sin daily. Right,

738
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: I need to get to the root of the issue. Right,

739
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: Why am I watching porn? Right? Why am I continuing

740
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: to go back to this? Right? And it's it was

741
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 1: not just a stop of the finger I saw. It

742
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: was a slow progression of the way that the Lord

743
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: showed me. Wow, Scotti, you're so prideful. You think it's

744
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: all about you, Right, I didn't. I liked all humility, right,

745
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: And I was insane, like I was in Like, there's

746
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: no other way to put it. I was insane. And

747
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: if I didn't, if the Lord didn't reveal those things

748
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: to me, right, honestly, there's a good chance I'd probably

749
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: be watching porn again right now. It just would be right.

750
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: And so I saw, all, right, what are the disciplines

751
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna enact in my life to not not

752
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: exactly just overcome this sin? Right, but give it to

753
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: the Lord. Right, I'm like, I wanted to get in

754
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: my Bible daily and pursue relationship with the Lord. Right,

755
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you right now i start missing days

756
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: reading my Bible, I will go back, right. And that

757
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: was a big discipline in my mouth. Also, I'm not

758
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: scrolling on my phone late at night anymore. Right, I'm

759
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: putting my phone aside and I'm reading before I go

760
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: to bed, right, Like, I'm not wanting to invite the

761
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Lord or you know, invite the enemy into just like

762
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: having good toll on my life. Right. And There's so

763
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: many other disciplines that I've enacted in my life. But

764
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: the biggest thing was is just looked at myself and said,

765
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: what is going to be different this time? Right, understanding

766
00:35:54,239 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: that I was not humble whatsoever, right, I was so prideful. Right.

767
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: And I think one of the biggest things that I

768
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: saw is I saw the way that my sin not

769
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: only affected you, but it affected my other relationships. What

770
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: tell what gives you the just the courage and willingness

771
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: to share this so publicly, because there's a lot of

772
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: people who would be like, whoa, this is shameful, you know,

773
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: Christians first Christians. Sorry, spot, it's one sin you couldn't

774
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: against your own body. You've felt this weight that was

775
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: on top of you, and you know, in some ways,

776
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: your mom and I have talked about how you have

777
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: so many similarities with Papa Josh, and he shared some

778
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: hurts and brokenness in his life long before other people

779
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: did about hand an alcohol alcoholic father, the way he

780
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: was sexually abused. You know, He's been really open in

781
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: some ways. I think it probably is some of your wiring,

782
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: the way just God has wired you. But why are

783
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: you speaking out and willing to share this publicly? I

784
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: think you asked me to do the show more than

785
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: me asking me if I'm not mistaken? Is that right?

786
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: By the way, I think, yes, you're willing to tell me.

787
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: Why Why are you speaking up about this for me?

788
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: Because I know that I'm not alone? Right and the

789
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: Lord my spiritual gift, the Lord's giving me his boldness.

790
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: I am not afraid to share what I'm going through. Right,

791
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: Like when I was going to therapy. I remember the guys,

792
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: you know, the therapist is like, oh hey, like I'm

793
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to share anything, and I just

794
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: like I kind of laughed. I was like, man, I

795
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: really don't care if you tell anybody about this, Like,

796
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you anything that I don't

797
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: tell other people, Like I'm not hiding anything, right, And

798
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: so the Lord is giving me a spiritual state of boldness, right,

799
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I am going to share, right, because

800
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: I know that I'm not alone, right. I know that

801
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: there are a ton of young men out there, right,

802
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: even older men right, that are addicted to porn and

803
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: don't know where to go. And one of the things

804
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: right is that you know all it says in Romans,

805
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: you know, for all have sinned and fallen short of

806
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: the glory of God. And I've seen the way that

807
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,919
Speaker 1: the Lord has been there with me since day one

808
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: and show me that there is no better choice than

809
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: to follow the will of the Lord. Right. And one

810
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: of the biggest things that says right and first our

811
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: first essalonis for it says to stain from sexual immorality, right,

812
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: For it's the will of the Lord for you, right.

813
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: And so for me, I'm just like, I want to

814
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: walk into the Lord. What does that look like? It

815
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: looks like a'bstaining from sexual imorality. It looks like and

816
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: Crinty is talking about fleeing sexual immorality. Right. And so

817
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I'm so passionate about sharing

818
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: is because I know that I'm not alone and the

819
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: Lord has giving me a spirit of boldness. I want

820
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: to be able to help other people right and say

821
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: that I am not alone. Right. And it also this

822
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: comes from a place of humility, right, because I've seen

823
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: the way the Lord has transformed my heart, literally transform

824
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,359
Speaker 1: my heart. There's no other way to put it right,

825
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: And I don't want to go back right. I saw

826
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: the weight of my sin in the way that I

827
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: was treating people, the way that I was talking to people. Right.

828
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: I want no part of my old self, right. I

829
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: want to continue to choose Christ. Right, but I go

830
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 1: back to it. Man, I was insane if I didn't

831
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: change an opinion in my life, if I didn't even

832
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: rely on the Lord's goodness daily and also sinning in

833
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: my sin. Right, there's a certain level of you don't

834
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: want to, you know, sit in the shame. Woe is

835
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: me versus. I've sat in the way to my sin

836
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: and seen the decisions that I've made in my life

837
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: and say that sucked. I want no part of that again, right,

838
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: which is why you know God's rules and commandments, like

839
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: it says you know and for Sean that the greatest

840
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 1: you know love is to obey God's commandments. Right. It's

841
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: because God's commandments keep me safe. Right, they keep me

842
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: and want me to walk in the world work becaust

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Speaker 1: The Lord knows best, right, and so that would be

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Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me is I've seen the way

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Speaker 1: the sin affected it myself, and I want no part

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Speaker 1: of that. I want to choose Christ daily. Well, I

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Speaker 1: am super proud of you, buddy. Any God has commissioned

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Speaker 1: if you enjoy this to you're a parent or you

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Speaker 1: person who's been honest and open about this, willing to share,

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Speaker 1: God's He's made you a leader, buddy. You're bold and

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Speaker 1: you're clear, and you're willing to speak up. And what's

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Speaker 1: the reception been? The last question as you shared with others,

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Speaker 1: And openness and a recognition of kind of the entrapping

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Speaker 1: power of phonography. From day one, the Lord like has

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Speaker 1: just given me opportunities to share, right, Like, whether it

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Speaker 1: was with my team, whether it's just other bio students, right,

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Speaker 1: other people, right, I've been giving me that platform, and

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Speaker 1: all the response has just been a has been great

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Speaker 1: for me, right, but a lot of people have been like, man,

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Speaker 1: like I struggle with that too, Like I need help, right,

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Speaker 1: and that's all I know, Like I am not alone, right,

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Speaker 1: And so the reception has been so good, But it's

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Speaker 1: also been encouraging to me that I am not alone, right,

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Speaker 1: it earlier, right, Like we're made full relationships, not even

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Speaker 1: with brothers, right, and being able to walk through this

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Speaker 1: with other people, right, who are holding you accountable? First

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Speaker 1: time around, I was not accountable with anybody, right, I

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Speaker 1: did not have any accountability, right. But now I'm walking

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Speaker 1: through with people who are my age. Right, We're going

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Speaker 1: through the same thing, and they're able to speak life

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Speaker 1: into me and I'm able to speak live into that.

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Speaker 1: Love it buddy, really appreciate you coming on and sharing this.

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Speaker 1: Let us know. I'm starting to do some live streams

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six and thought about bringing its Doudie

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Speaker 1: on one time. We're going to do a few Tuesdays

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Speaker 1: and bring on some talbot professors with bringing my son

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Speaker 1: on answer questions and answers. Let us know if he

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Speaker 1: wants to do that together on this topic and others.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you hit subscribe. We've got some other shows

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Speaker 1: the Apologized program at Top School Theology. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I teach a class on a Biblical view of sexuality

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Speaker 1: which we go on to depth with this, So that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: You would love to have you in the programs. Guy,

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