WEBVTT - The New AI Panic

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<v Speaker 1>And Slumdog Millionaire is one of my favorite movies like

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<v Speaker 1>of the last 20 or 25 years about an Indian

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<v Speaker 1>kid who goes on jeopardy and miraculously plows through things

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<v Speaker 1>and suspicions arise, but also takes place against the backdrop

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<v Speaker 1>of Bombay, Mumbai, excuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Me, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to tell you one of the, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the effects it had on me as I became

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<v Speaker 1>pretty fascinated as I am with every culture around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fascinated with Indian culture. Always have been.

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<v Speaker 1>So against this backdrop, If, let's say, all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden you go to Costco in Southlake and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>70 percent Indians in there, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care. People want to come here. Fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems distinct from, shall we say, the Muslim issue

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<v Speaker 1>where we may have some religious teaching issues. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think the Hindus are a big risk to us. And yet,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've caught wind of this. There

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<v Speaker 1>was our Railroad Commission candidate, Beau French. With a picture

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<v Speaker 1>of the celebrating kids at UT after the big win

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<v Speaker 1>over Ohio State. Section contained just a swath of Indian kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's Bo saying, they told me graduation looked like this.

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<v Speaker 1>The problem is bigger than we thought. So is that

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<v Speaker 1>straight up racism, as some people say? I'll flat out

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, I don't think it is. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a concern over H-1Bs, mass migration, Americans getting shunted aside

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<v Speaker 1>in education and workplaces. As with a few other things

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<v Speaker 1>Beau has said and done, he might phrase it a

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<v Speaker 1>little more delicately. I offer it to you.

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<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts, Mike Gallagher? It's a problem for me,

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<v Speaker 3>to tell you the truth. I like the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>we are a diverse nation. I don't mind it. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't like the fact that we allow illegal immigrants in here,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and we have under the Biden administration. Trump

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<v Speaker 3>has put an end to that. But I'll be honest

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<v Speaker 3>with you. It's not a good look. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 3>you take one section of a football stadium and you've

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<v Speaker 3>got a bunch of Indian kids or you've got a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of maybe you've got Hispanic kids or maybe you've

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<v Speaker 3>got black kids or maybe you've got white kids because,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when I first saw it, I thought he

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<v Speaker 3>was making— I didn't even recognize who it was, and I

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<v Speaker 3>thought they were complaining that there were too many white

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<v Speaker 3>kids in the stands. So you can paint with this

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<v Speaker 3>broad brush, and you start looking at one section, and

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<v Speaker 3>you say, look, we shouldn't ever lose sight of the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that we are a welcoming nation, provided you play

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<v Speaker 3>by the rules, and you dot every I, and you

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<v Speaker 3>cross every T, and And you do it the right way.

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<v Speaker 3>But that doesn't mean we want a homogenized, all-white society.

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<v Speaker 3>And if anything is less than that, then we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to bellyache. That's not who we are. That's not who

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<v Speaker 3>this country is. My grandparents, not great-grandparents, my actual grandparents

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<v Speaker 3>came over on boats by Ellis Island and were processed

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<v Speaker 3>at Ellis Island and were legal immigrants. I've got a

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<v Speaker 3>friend whose sister is right now working through a green

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<v Speaker 3>card process, and it's tough. It's a tough, expensive, harrowing

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<v Speaker 3>journey for many of these people. But to make this

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<v Speaker 3>blanket condemnation, it gives the left all kinds of ammunition

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<v Speaker 3>to say, here we go again. Look at another Republican

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<v Speaker 3>taking one picture of one small section of a cheering

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<v Speaker 3>section and saying, oh, look at the problem we got.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at all those Indian kids. It's just dumb. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a self-inflicted wound and it isn't necessary. You can have

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<v Speaker 3>these deliberate conversations without that kind of inflammatory rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what I say. And you've got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of company. What should– and I don't know if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in that company, but I am at least partially because

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<v Speaker 1>through everything I look at the lens. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>very much a lesson I've learned from you. is you

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<v Speaker 1>can talk about things on their merits and talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the nuts and bolts of an issue, but the one

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<v Speaker 1>most important thing at all times is, does anything make

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<v Speaker 1>it easier or harder for us to attract voters on

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<v Speaker 1>November 1st?

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the Mike Gallagher lesson. You can be right

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<v Speaker 1>about something, you can be passionate about something, but if

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<v Speaker 1>it freaks people out or drives people away, not helpful.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's going to freak people out. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 3>definitely going to freak people out to see that. Now

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<v Speaker 3>you've got John Cornyn piling on. Shocker. Oh, yeah. Who

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<v Speaker 3>also compared J.D. Vance with Zoran Mamdani over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, boy, we dodged that bullet in Texas. You talk about,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he's exactly what people feared he was. And

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<v Speaker 3>now his true colors are coming out. He lied to

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<v Speaker 3>you on air. Oh, I'm MAGA. You're MAGA? He literally

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<v Speaker 3>painted MAGA as being a bunch of extremists. And he's

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<v Speaker 3>doubling down. That's who he is. That's who these guys are.

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<v Speaker 3>That's at the core of it, Mark. They hate the

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<v Speaker 3>America First movement. They hate everything about it. And John

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<v Speaker 3>Cornyn is right there in the middle of it. Right

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<v Speaker 3>there along with probably John Thune, you got the Paul Ryan,

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<v Speaker 3>Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney kind of a cabal of establishment

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans who loathe what Trump has turned the Republican Party into.

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<v Speaker 3>And as a result, look, the voters of Texas, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not a newsflash here, Ken Paxton wasn't appointed. There was

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<v Speaker 3>some committee behind back rooms. Voters voted for him. He

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<v Speaker 3>was elected. And by the way, it wasn't even close.

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<v Speaker 3>Cornyn was thumped. So guess what? Fade off into the

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<v Speaker 3>sunset with a little bit of dignity and leave MAGA alone.

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<v Speaker 3>But thank you for proving. And Mark, I feel bad

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<v Speaker 3>for you. Because you stuck your neck out with John Cornyn.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw the interview. I watched. I listened to it.

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<v Speaker 3>You asked him, and you held him to that. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm MAGA, Mark. I'm MAGA first. I'm going to put— he lied.

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<v Speaker 3>Look what he is now. Look what he said. You're

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<v Speaker 3>going to compare J.D. Vance to Zoran Mamdani? You're going

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<v Speaker 3>to equate MAGA with these lunatics on the left? And

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<v Speaker 3>right now, Mark, on the left, make no mistake, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a horror show. It's a— Talarico is a horror show. These

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<v Speaker 3>are the extreme of the extremists.

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<v Speaker 2>There are clips all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>The most recent Tallarico clip over the weekend was him

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<v Speaker 1>at a House hearing in 2019 saying that if a

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<v Speaker 1>parent does not go along with a freshly discovered contrarian

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<v Speaker 1>gender identity for a son or daughter, that that's child abuse.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I mean, look, Bernie Sanders wants to put people

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<v Speaker 3>in jail that are running these AI companies. And we've

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<v Speaker 3>got to get to this. I need your wisdom on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go. Because all of a sudden, here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>The panic is here. The clock is ticking. AI is

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<v Speaker 3>going to destroy us all in a few years. And

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<v Speaker 3>there's a tell here. There's a red flag that everybody

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<v Speaker 3>ought to be paying attention to. Hot Air did a

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<v Speaker 3>great job in pointing this out. There's now a full-fledged

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<v Speaker 3>panic underway about artificial intelligence. And I get it. I

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<v Speaker 3>understand worries that we can have about what AI can become.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, you mentioned the Indian kids at the Texas game.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk about India. I had an internet issue over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>This is so funny, and it ties into the AI panic.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've got an IT provider that obviously every one

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<v Speaker 3>of the techs is in Mumbai, every one of them,

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<v Speaker 3>because I had to call about 10 times. I had

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<v Speaker 3>this very unique, weird problem, and they couldn't figure it out.

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<v Speaker 3>And they could not figure it out. And they were

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<v Speaker 3>helpful and they were good. Every single one of them

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<v Speaker 3>had the thick Indian accent. Of course, I love, hello,

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<v Speaker 3>my name is Danny. I'm Dave from Cincinnati. Yeah, you're Dave.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not Danny. You're not Nick. Just help me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care if you're Zorgon from Mars, if you

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<v Speaker 2>can just help me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and they couldn't. But here's what I was able

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<v Speaker 3>to do. And it was just fascinating. And hats off

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<v Speaker 3>to the company trying to help me. But every call

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<v Speaker 3>I made, the 800 number, every single one of them

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<v Speaker 3>were Indians. And I wanted to say to them, you're in.

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<v Speaker 3>In fact, I think the email confirmation I got was.

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<v Speaker 3>when they were– because they're very good with customer service–

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<v Speaker 3>said India. I mean they now own it. They say

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<v Speaker 3>we're in India and that's where– and this is what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on. Look, Salem's IT department right now, you may

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<v Speaker 3>not know this, is in the Philippines.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the thing because these companies– and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get back to your IT story– is that these

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<v Speaker 1>companies are desperate to save money. Every American company is

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<v Speaker 1>desperate to save money. And if you can get IT,

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<v Speaker 1>if you can get customer service, if you can get

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<v Speaker 1>some of your outreach– handled in Asia and save a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of money and keep your prices low for American customers?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that good or is it bad? So there's that

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<v Speaker 2>whole talk show.

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<v Speaker 3>There's another talk show. And I will tell you, these

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<v Speaker 3>guys in India are good. I mean, they really knew

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<v Speaker 3>their stuff, even though this was a problem they couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>quite overcome. So you know how I overcame the problem

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<v Speaker 3>in my new home? I had to get a router, okay? Now,

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<v Speaker 3>If you held a gun to my head and said, Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>connect a router, you'd just have to shoot me. Mike,

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<v Speaker 3>fly to the moon on wings. Mike, perform a liver

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<v Speaker 3>transplant with chopsticks.

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<v Speaker 2>Set up a nuclear core reactor in your kitchen.

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<v Speaker 3>Couldn't do it. Couldn't do it if my life depended

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<v Speaker 3>on it. You know what I turn to? Chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what ChatGPT did? Made me a router, IT, Wi-Fi,

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<v Speaker 3>wireless expert in about 60 seconds. Thanks to ChatGPT, I

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<v Speaker 3>had that thing up and running and completely fixed. I

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<v Speaker 3>had spent days calling Mumbai to get their help. ChatGPT

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<v Speaker 3>fixed it in about a minute. And I started thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>my Lord. You think about all of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>this is going to be able to do. Medical diagnoses.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how many people have stories where they take

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to their doctor and the doctor says, wow, that

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<v Speaker 1>technology saw stuff that I would have missed.

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<v Speaker 3>My doctor tells me Chad GPT is rarely wrong. It's

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<v Speaker 3>almost never wrong. My own doctor seems to be. And look,

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<v Speaker 3>I pay a lot of money to him because, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>hypochondriac Harry. I got the concierge medicine. I got him

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<v Speaker 3>on speed dial. If I need him to come over

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<v Speaker 3>and spend the weekend, he does. But he's hurting his

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<v Speaker 3>own business because I don't need him anymore. I've got

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<v Speaker 3>Chad GPT. What do I need Best Buy's Geek Squad for?

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<v Speaker 3>Pardon me. I love Best Buy. What do I need

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<v Speaker 3>them for when I can use ChatGPD to show me

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<v Speaker 3>how to put up a router? So that leads to

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<v Speaker 3>the panic. All right. Ross Douthat last night made his

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<v Speaker 3>debut on 60 Minutes. And I'm kind of intrigued by

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<v Speaker 3>the new 60 Minutes under Barry Weiss. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>got some hope. It's better than it used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>Who knows? He used his debut on 60 Minutes to

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<v Speaker 3>deliver this stark... dire warning about artificial intelligence. Okay. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a clock is ticking. They're going to, and the,

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<v Speaker 3>and the narrative is they're going to destroy. It's going

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<v Speaker 3>to destroy humanity within the next 10 years. This isn't

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<v Speaker 3>even a hundred years away, 10 years. We're, we're dead.

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<v Speaker 3>You and I talked about this yesterday on the phone

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<v Speaker 3>when we were catching up on a Sunday, and we

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<v Speaker 3>both agreed. If bad actors get involved or if AI

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<v Speaker 3>decides to turn on us, we may all be in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, fair enough. But you know who's leading the

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<v Speaker 3>AI panic? AI companies. This AI employee, Jacob Coxon, he's

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<v Speaker 3>now a media darling, came out of nowhere, almost literally.

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<v Speaker 3>He worked at OpenAI training frontier models. Now he's warning

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<v Speaker 3>that AI could kill us all. Mark, aren't you a little...

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<v Speaker 3>skeptical that it's the AI companies that are banging this drum?

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<v Speaker 2>I am, but I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 1>I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I know why.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've given birth to a podcast subject.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let me tell you why. Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would Anthropic and the other AI companies want to

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<v Speaker 1>be putting the brakes on their own stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>They want government regulation, and they want the government to

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<v Speaker 3>start regulating anti-conservative narratives. Look at J.D. Pritzker. Oh, we

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<v Speaker 3>need government to step in. Congress needs it. They want

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<v Speaker 3>government regulation.

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<v Speaker 2>Once again, why?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would these private sector companies want government guardrails?

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things is it gives them immunity from

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<v Speaker 3>liability if something goes terribly wrong. They get immunity from

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<v Speaker 3>the government. I mean, look at Governor J.B. Pritzker, the

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<v Speaker 3>worst of the worst. We cannot trust AI companies to self-regulate.

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<v Speaker 3>Congress needs to intervene. They want– now, there are some

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans who are saying this is a panic time and

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<v Speaker 3>a pulling the Luna here in Florida. Oh, we got

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<v Speaker 3>a problem here. So it's a little bit bipartisan. Be

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<v Speaker 3>very wary. I think this is COVID scare all over again.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the latest COVID panic. The panikins are panicking

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<v Speaker 3>about AI, and I'm not buying it, Mark. I'm just not.

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<v Speaker 1>I crave details in today's M &amp; M Extra. I

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<v Speaker 1>got this show that we're doing. Mike has his radio

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<v Speaker 1>show about to unfold. Make sure you listen to both.

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<v Speaker 1>And then come back to us, YouTube, M &amp; M Extra,

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<v Speaker 1>then Apple and Spotify later. Other things in the news.

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<v Speaker 1>There's stuff we didn't even get to. That's why I

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<v Speaker 1>love the podcast every day.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I have things to ask you on the heels

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<v Speaker 1>of 9-11 and the last week's convention. Much more to

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<v Speaker 1>cover in M &amp; M Extra.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll be right back.